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Welcome to a bonus episode of Round Trip Death and part two of our conversation with Dr. Lottie.
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A few weeks ago on this podcast, I asked for some input about the future of the show and I
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received a bunch of it. And part of what we were curious about is how much you want to know
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about things that are related to near-death experiences in addition to the NDEs themselves.
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There are other things that seem a little bit out in the woo-woo, but do we want to be talking
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about those? And the consensus pretty much agreed with what Will and I were already thinking,
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which is that from time to time on one of our bonus episodes, we will get a little bit more off in
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the quote woo-woo and talk about some other things that have some relation to NDEs. Today is one of
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those days and we are going to hear about things like ancestral healing and medical mediumship.
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And we are also going to be talking about quantum theory and quantum entanglement and some things
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like that. And that might sound a little bit boring, the quantum stuff, but it is actually super
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interesting hearing about it from Dr. Lottie. So with that little bit of intro, let's get back to the interview.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead, it was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped and I could see people
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screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere
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else. The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there
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wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home. Let's make a bit of a transition now.
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One of the things that I wanted to ask about before we get into some of the things that I found on
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your bio is, again, you just very briefly mentioned that for 12 years, watches didn't work. Tell me
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about some of those odd things that happened. We've heard, I've heard some of this from other
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people too and I think they're hilarious. Go ahead. My watch died. I put my watch on back in the
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September of 1992 and after wearing it for a few days, it died. We didn't have cell phones back then.
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I didn't never know what time it was because my watch died. I was like, okay, well, when I get
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better, I get a watch. It literally took me nine months before I had the strength to take my kids,
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walk inside the store, buy a watch and leave because I had so little blood because now I was
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going into the bone marrow suppression that I wasn't aware that was happening. I buy this new
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watch, I wear it for about five days and it stops. I said, wow, that was so much work to get that watch.
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I can't believe I had to go back now, return it. I musted up some more strength on a good day.
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We went back to the store and returned the watch. I said, I don't know what's wrong,
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but it stopped. They were, wow, this is weird. We haven't gotten any other watches back,
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but go pick out a new one. Got a new watch, came home, wore it for five days and it stopped.
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I said, wow, again, this has got to be some problem with quality control and manufacturing.
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I mean, it's the same brand, brought the watch back and they were at puzzled again. We haven't
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gotten any other watches back and I said, all right, I'll get a different brand this time.
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Got a different brand watch, went home, wore it for five days, it stopped.
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So then I tell my friend what had happened and she just started laughing and she said,
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it's not the watches, honey, it's you. I said, what do you mean it's me? So I said, all right,
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return the watch and get another one. But that first year, it took an entire year
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for my watch to take for one month. So after one year, we're not watching,
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my watch take for a month before it died. So by the time my daughter was three,
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three and a half, I had 16, 17 watches in my top bureau drawer. And I always got the watches with
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a second hand because it was the only way I would know if it was ticking because after lying in the
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drawer for a while, some of the watches would start ticking. So I would just rotate, hold the
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watches up, oh, this one's working. I can wear this one. So I would wear that for like a few days
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and then he would stop, put that one back in the drawer, get another one. And that's how it was.
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So they would eventually come back to life. That is so funny. What do you make of that?
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Since you know quantum physics, does that have something to do with it?
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I think so. So it took me 12 years to have my watch tick for 12 months. So for every year,
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it like increased a month. So after two years, the watch ticked for two months. After three years,
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the watch ticked for three months. So it was a longer and longer. And after 12 years, it ticked
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almost to the day 12 months. And at that point, I stopped wearing watches for a while. I said,
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that's it. I'm healed. That's when I got the message, I need to go to medical school. And it
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was 12 years. It was this big transition. My whole body all of a sudden came back into functioning.
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But I think that, you know, what happens, there is something that's, we are energy, right? We are
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energy that's vibrating at a slower speed. And when you're outside your body in spirit form,
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you're at a higher frequency. We go back into this world, it's very heavy because everything
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vibrates at a slower speed. So when you have these experiences, you know, there's something that
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happens energetically, you know, we are, we are magnetic beings too, right? So we measure the
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heart rate, you know, we can put all these electrodes on your brain, on your heart to
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measure the electricity in our body. When you go through these major events, and you're also sick,
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there's obviously something that happens to that. And when you think about when we're sick,
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there's something in your body that's not vibrating at the right frequency, and it
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creates that disease. So when you're having all these, you know, you're, you're out of your body,
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and then you come back to your body, and then you're really sick, things aren't going to be
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vibrating at the normal level. And I think that is what's, that's my opinion of what interferes
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with things. So when my daughter was one, I walked by the television, and the television turned on.
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And I said, wow, you know, I said, you grandma, looking around the room thinking, oh my gosh,
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this, why is that turning on all of a sudden? So I'm thinking, well, my kids, you know, was my
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oldest boy was just turning seven, my other son was four and a half, my daughter was one.
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And I said, well, maybe they're playing a prank on me, maybe the kids have the clicker,
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they were playing right outside with some other kids. Nope, the kids are on the other side of the
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courtyard playing outside the neighbor's door. And I said, okay, probably it's a neighbor that's
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watching TV. And when they turned on their TV, they have the same TV we do. And some,
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they maybe they aim the clicker, it went through the window and it hit my TV. And that's how it
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turned on. I went to eight neighbors doors all around me, rang their doorbell. Hey, are you home,
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are you watching TV? No, I'm not watching TV. They probably thought I was crazy.
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This is like the atheist coming back out or definitely the scientist anyway.
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I just couldn't accept, you know, those things. I was like, what's happening? So I was like,
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okay, nobody's watching TV. That's just really weird. Some, some fluke, some electrical discharge.
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I come in, walk by the television, turn back on, you know, I was like, okay, there's, so there's
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definitely something that happens, right? And now I know from listening to other people's stories,
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people get mad and the light bulb explodes and, you know, lights blink on the street when they're
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walking on the street lights and things like that. So there's definitely something that happens with,
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you know, the way our physical appearance are, right? Because we're just energy in the end.
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And the way that frequency is interfering with electrical grid or other, other things.
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A couple of funny ones that I've heard recently from people that I've interviewed.
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One woman was in a cell phone store buying a new smartphone and just holding it in her hand for a
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couple of minutes and it would die. And then they'd give her another one and it would die. And they'd
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give her another one and it would die. But maybe funnier than that is a woman whose husband was
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really into video games. And if she got anywhere near like within 10 feet of that TV or video game
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console, it would turn off and the power would shut down. You were the opposite. The power would go on.
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Right. But I had the same problem too. So that first year, you know, my son was six and my other boy
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was, you know, three and a half, four. And as it all right, it's time you guys can watch a video now
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for a little bit and because, you know, I needed to rest and take care of the baby. I could not turn
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on the VCR. It was back when we had the big V tapes, the big clunky ones. And I could not turn
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it on. So I would stand in the doorway and I would instruct my son, no, not that button,
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that one that's up on the corner left, the one that has an arrow pushed out one and teach him,
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like, from a distance how to turn on the VCR. Because if I went over there, it wouldn't work.
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Like I could go over there, try and push, start it. Nope. Not going to happen. And so he learned
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with me standing almost in the next room, guiding him. That's so funny. It definitely,
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definitely there is something that, that happens. The vacuum cleaner turned on once
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my son was five and I was helping him with it with a zipper on his jacket. And the vacuum is on
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the outside of the room and it turns on by itself. And my five year old just says, mom,
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the vacuum just turned on by itself. And it was a brand new vacuum cleaner. We still have that
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vacuum cleaner. I mean, it's literally 30 years old. I hope it was plugged in. It was plugged in.
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But it started by itself. I mean, it was just these weird things that happened. And especially in
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the beginning, it was, it was, you know, worse that first and second year. And then it was,
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you know, just the watches, but, you know, all those things you hear about the phone calls
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dropping and VCR is not turning on or off. It's just that electrical interference.
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And there has to be some relationship between that and spiritual gifts that people often come
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back with. And I don't have a scientific study to prove that what the relationship is or anything
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else, but it's pretty obvious, I think for my non scientific brain. Okay, let me go on and ask
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you something else. So you've studied really your nature path training. You were studying western
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and eastern medicine, both, and you have this spirituality experience. So is that integrated
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with your medicine as well? Or do you stick with the textbook eastern western medicine?
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Right. So I work online with people now from all over the world as a medical medium or medical
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intuitive. To me, it's almost the same because I always work with the spirit world now. The spirit
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world is always there. And so, you know, people often fall through the cracks of they're either
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misdiagnosed. There's a lot of things we don't know, right? When you go to medical school,
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you think you're going to know everything when you come out. When you graduate, you realize
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how much medicine is an art, not a science. Because there's so many things that we don't know. And
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there's many times people get sick and they the hospital or the doctor will run the tests,
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they all come back normal. They're experiencing things that we can't test them easily, we don't
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have any tests for it. And for some reason, those are the typically the people that show up on my
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screen. So I always work with the spirit world. And sometimes people get on my screen and say,
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you know, I got all these allergies, I have, you know, this irritable bowel syndrome. And I said,
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no, the spirit world tells me you have endometriosis. So tell me about your periods. And they're
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like, Oh, yeah, they're terrible. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, Okay, there it is.
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So it doesn't matter what the person says on the screen, because the spirit world is still going
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to tell me something. Sometimes I will get a medical diagnosis. I'll just hear medical diagnosis
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and say, Hey, did anybody ever tell you that you might have this? And they say, I don't even know
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what that is. And then I'll say, Okay, well, the symptoms that go along with this disease are these
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things. Because I have the medical training. And then they say, Yeah, I have all those symptoms.
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And I say, Yeah, the reason they're not catching it is because there's often misdiagnosed, and you
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fall through the cracks, because it's not something you can easily see on a test or.
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So this is known as medical mediumship, right? Right. Medical, yeah, medical medium or medical
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and medical intuitive. So how about the medical establishment? You know, you have some kind of
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state medical board there in Arizona. Yeah. Do they hear about this? Do they give you a hard time
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because of it? Yeah, I can't work like that under my license, right? So you have to, if you work as a
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physician, you work under your license, you have to do everything that is according to your license,
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run the tests, you have to chart everything and what you found, what those findings were,
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but I work spiritually with people through my website as a medical medium where they, you know,
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they know I'm not working as a doctor, for example, because I'm tuning in spiritually
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to what the spirit world is guiding me to, but I'm also using my medical knowledge to back up
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what the spirit world is telling me. So it's become this integrative integrative. And now I
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understand what the spirit world, you know, said from the beginning, you're, you know, you need this
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degree, but you're working spiritually with people and you're to bring messages and healing to the
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people. And so that is about bringing messages, I would say is a lot of that is evidential medium
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ship reading where you're connecting with your loved ones in the spirit world. But also I work with
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people spirit guides. Sometimes people come to a fork in their life and they're thinking, I don't
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even know why I'm here, like, what am I supposed to be doing? What is my incarnation? And so I have
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an a session called spirit messages from your spirit guides. And I tune into that person spirit
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guide. And I see a lot of my information. So I get a lot of images. And that's how I read the spirit
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world. And I see the spirit guide. And I quickly draw it. It takes like five or six minutes. I just
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make like a sketch of that spirit guide, which then I send to the client afterwards. It's kind of fun
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for them to see what I see on my end. But when I see their spirit guide, I also know something
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about them. I know who they are. I know what they're here to do in a different way, because you kind
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of are a mirror of your spirit guide. It's almost like the spirit guide is part of you. They're so
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close to you that you can almost not see it. But when I see the spirit guide, I also know something
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about them and why they're here and what they're here to do and what kind of person they are.
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And so it can help people figure out what what they're here to do. Sometimes it could just be,
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you know, like a message, you need to do this more or you're not taking care of yourself or whatever
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it is that is not going well. Okay. All right. What is ancestral healing? Yeah. And ancestral
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healing is so it came about, I was doing mediumship readings. So I'm connecting with the spirit world,
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doing a connecting with grandma or grandpa or mom or dad. And I had a couple of readings in a row
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that were almost identical to the point you're thinking, what is this? Why am I getting the same
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reading with every client for several days in a row? And the message was always, you know,
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your grandmother is here. Now your grandmother had a very hard life. And she was physically abused
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by your grandfather. Do you understand this? Yes. I said, then your I see three kids, one of them is
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your mom, and she married your dad, but he was also physically abusive. Your dad physically
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abused your mom, but he also physically abused you. Is that correct? Yes. And I had four readings in a
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row like that. And I was like, what is it? Why do I keep seeing why is the same message coming?
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And I had already read the book by Mark Olin. It didn't start with you. And I had tried to attend
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his seminar a couple of times, but I was in a residency. And whenever he that seminar was held,
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I was alone in the clinic, covering for everybody else, all the other doctors. So I could never go.
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Well, now it's the pandemic. And he's offering this class online. And so for a couple of months,
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me, all the other physicians and counselors around the world are studying ancestral healing
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with Mark Olin. I learned the patterns of the ancestral healing and how things actually get
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passed down. So the traumatic events that were unresolved by your ancestors and swept under
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the carpet. So when you say, you know, why don't we ever talk about Uncle Billy? And your mom says,
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we don't talk about Uncle Billy. Now something is up with Uncle Billy. He did something or
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there was some trauma there that got swept under the carpet. We don't talk about it.
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Those are the things that get passed down to the next generations. And I would say we all
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take a few of them. So it may be Uncle Billy did six things that were unresolved. You carry one,
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your sister carries one, your brother, your brother carries two and some other sister carries two.
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So you divided them up between yourself. I'll take this one. And so those patterns of behaviors,
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fears, traumas, disease, not marrying the right person, OCD anxiety, it gets passed down to the
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next person in that in that family, in that soul family. When you say passed down, is this actually
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genetic? So it's passed down genetically because we know now from research that trauma is passed down
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on the genes. They've done studies on the Holocaust survivors. And we can see that it's passed down
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on the genes. We know it goes to the grandkids already in a few years, we'll say great grandkids,
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right? But those genes are transferred down because we make an epigenetic change in the
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what's going to express and how it's going to express. So if you had a grandpa that served in the war,
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and every time those sirens went off because the airplanes were coming in and we're going to bomb,
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he thought this is the day I'm going to die. And so he now changes his expression of his genetics
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to warn his future offspring that when you hear the siren, you take cover. That's danger, right?
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So now it's not war anymore. And you're he survives the war, he has kids, and then his kids have kids.
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So now you have a granddaughter. The granddaughter has a panic attack. Every time she hears a siren,
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like an ambulance, a fire, police, any kind of siren, she has a panic attack. But she has never
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had a traumatic experience herself. Why is it that she has a panic attack when she hears the sirens?
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That's because epigenetically it was passed down from grandpa, the danger. And there's research
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that have been done on that, like epigenetic inheritance of odor fear conditioning that was
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published back in Nature Science back in 2013. And it was a study that was led by Brian Diaz.
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And they took mice and they exposed them to a cherry blossom smell. Every time the mice smell
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the cherry blossom smell, they will get an electric shock. Well, of course, the mice learned to fear
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the cherry blossom smell, they're like cherry blossom smell take cover, we're going to get an
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electric shock. Then they took the sperm of that male mice artificially inseminated the female mice,
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and her baby mice were fearful of the cherry blossom smell. They had never been in contact
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with the cherry blossom smell, they had never received an electric shock, but it was transferred
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down. And so we know this from humans too, and they've identified genes, I know the FKBP5 gene
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is one of the genes in the human that is transferred down. But as the research goes on, I know more
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genes have been discovered already. But it's transferred down on the DNA, but also it's
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transferred down through quantum physics. So that grid that I saw during my near death experience
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of how everything is connected to everything else, that is quantum entanglement. And so we are
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entangled with our ancestors through quantum entanglement. And if you go back to the Nobel
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Prize winners last year, there were three physicists that received the Nobel Prize in physics,
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where they showed that if they take they have a pair of atoms and another like pair A of atoms,
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pair B of atoms, they take one of the atoms from pair A, and one of the atoms from pair B, they
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put them together. Now those two atoms have met. But the other two atoms in the pair that have not
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met are now entangled because two of the atoms met. And so whatever happens to atom A is going to
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affect atom B, and it's going to affect the ones that never even met because of the entanglement.
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Right? So we have the entanglement through time and space that is instantaneous. And that is,
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you know, faster than the speed of light. That is the spooky action at a distance that Einstein
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talked about. But we are entangled with all the people that you come in contact with, all the
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animals, all the plants, the trees, the earth, the people in the spirit world. You are entangled
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with that, but you also carry it on your genes if there is trauma from your ancestors.
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My poor little brain is sort of exploding right now. Tell me if I'm summarizing this correctly.
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In the simplest terms I can use, trauma that one of our ancestors had may be passed down to us.
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Trauma we have may be passed down to children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. That's
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a scientifically proved fact now. Yes. Right? Yep. Okay. So then the question is, how do we heal that?
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Besides calling you, what else can we do to heal those things because we don't even know that they're
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there. Yeah, you work through your issues, right? You have to dig. You know, what is it that, you
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know, what are your fears? Where is that coming from? So, you know, I teach a lot of classes too
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on ancestral healing and you can also work with me individually. But when people get sick, when
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people have fears, when people have struggles, you know, where is that coming from? And sometimes
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we don't see it. You know, I work with decisions, counselors, psychotherapists that come to me and
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and then I point out to them what the problem is and they kind of laugh and they say, wow,
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wow, it's so interesting. I do this for other people all day long, but I couldn't see it for
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myself. And I think it's very common because we are so, we are in the forest, we are so deep in
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the forest, we can't even see the trees. It's just we're tied into that our own experiences
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emotionally and it's difficult to take the bird's eye view of your own family, your own experiences.
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You know, that's why it's so much easier for somebody else to see it, right? Even if you're a
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psychotherapist, counselor, or physician, you're not going to see it because I work with them.
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They're my clients also and they can't see it either even though they have that education
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because I think it's just difficult when it's your own issues. Sometimes you need somebody else to
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help you untangle that, right? Yeah. So, let's say I have a fear of heights and maybe my great-great
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grandfather fell off a cliff and broke his leg or something. Okay. How do I get over that?
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You have to figure out where it comes from. Is it, you know, so you look at your history,
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you know, who fell off a cliff and broke the leg, right? That was grandpa. Okay, now you know,
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you merged with that, but you carry your subconscious mind does this thing where it
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merges with your parents' experiences and other people's experiences. You repeat,
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your subconscious mind helps them carry that burden. That's how they look at it in ancestral
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healing. So, we don't take it on because we want to carry the burden. No, we do it out of love for
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that person, but it doesn't matter if your parent was a loving and kind person or they were not a
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loving kind person because when you're an infant and a toddler, you're dependent on that caregiver
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and you try to do things right and help that person because you have unconditional love for
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that caretaker. Without that person, you're not going to live. You're not going to have food.
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You're not going to have a place to sleep. Right? So, it's that entanglement of merging with things,
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but sometimes it's hard to figure out where it's coming from unless we, you know,
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untangle it. But you always work with adults. If somebody comes to me and says, you know,
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my teenager has this problem, it's not the teenager's problem. It's the adult's problem.
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So, you work with the mom and the dad to try and figure out where that is coming from.
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Why is this child having OCD? Why is this child having issues or being afraid of certain things?
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Well, it's coming from somewhere. Everything comes from somewhere. It's all the energy in the end.
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All right. We need to wrap up. Give me one last thought for everybody. And it can be on this
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topic or back to the NDEs. Anything that you've learned that can really give somebody hope today?
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I would say, you know, we are all one. We are all connected. It's one human race. We are part of
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the earth. We are not living on the earth. We are part of this entire magnificent creation.
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So, we are all one and we're all connected and it's all divine. And so is every listener
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that's listening to this show today. Thank you very much. Dr. Lottie, appreciate you being with us.
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