Jane Falls 1,000' Base Jumping - NDE Follows

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

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We're going to have a great time today. We're

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going all the way over to Derbyshire, England.

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Please tell me I said Derbyshire, right? Yes,

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you did. To meet with Jane Osborne and Jane,

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thank you for your patience. Thank you for being

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with us, even though it's a super hot day where

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you are. It's extremely hot. Thank you very much

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for inviting me on I'm looking forward to it

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before we hit the record button we were just

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talking about how hot it is there and Translated

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that into Fahrenheit. It's about a hundred degrees

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without air conditioning. What did you say 38?

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Centigrade 38, but it did go up to 40 yesterday.

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It was just unbearable It's the humidity with

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it as well. You know, it's everything sticks

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Well, I hope you've got lots of water going on

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and you're keeping safe because that can be life

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-threatening Okay before we jump into your experience,

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which I think people are gonna enjoy I Don't

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think we've had anyone on the show before that's

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had an NDE from base jumping So there's a little

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tease of what's coming in this episode But tell

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us just a little bit about who's Jane so we can

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get to know you Jane, at that time, I was an

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outdoor pursuit instructor. I used to work for

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Derbyshire Education. So I was used to rock climbing,

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caving, abseiling, skiing, anything with a lot

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of adrenaline, whatever. I'd been parachuting

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since I was 17. I trained with the RAF Lincoln

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Parachute Regiment. This particular day, this

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August bank holiday, I was on my own I've got

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three children but they were with the father

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so I was on my own and I thought it's a lovely

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day I'm going to take my camera drive up to the

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Peak District which is a national park about

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half an hour away from me put my camera in the

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car I thought I'm I'm going off to Kat's tour

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where I was going to be base jumping and just

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taking beautiful aerial shots and things which

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is where I started so I managed to run off the

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Edge of Cats tour and I was up in the thermals

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looking at my watch on the meter it was one of

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around one and a half thousand foot when I had

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a massive pull back at that height I didn't know

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what the heck had hit me I thought I'd run into

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something or something and I was pulled back

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with such force and I was only a skinny dippy,

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like some stone -wet -through girl at the time

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and so it's immediately it like cracked my ribs

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so I was having difficulty breathing and as I

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turned to look and see what was happening as

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I was trying to look around me I noticed that

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my emergency parachute had deployed as I was

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looking at that parachute which was over here

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and obviously I was on this parachute here. All

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of a sudden, you see it in movies, don't you,

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when you see pictures that go vroom, vroom, vroom,

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and it all comes together at once. Truly, that's

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how it happens. I had this download of information,

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and my brain was in overdrive, and I just knew

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that parachute there was coming for me. I didn't

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know whether to use the B lines on the main parachute.

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or the emergency chute was all so confusing and

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obviously I was in a V with my little legs hanging

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down because I was on two parachutes so I didn't

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have much support and as I got that message that

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that parachute is coming for you I looked at

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my watch and I was already I'd already dropped

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500 foot I was down I was a thousand foot because

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I saw the emergency chute dropping like this

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coming down and I thought oh it's getting close

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it's getting close and then it sort of dipped

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in the thermal and I thought oh I think I'm going

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to be all right you know I can cope with the

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drag emergency shoot but then it kind of went

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straight up and it went straight into the main

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parachute and at that I looked at my watch and

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it was a thousand foot and of course it just

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just deploded the main parachute and I dropped

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down like a bullet really fast I had a lot of

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PTSD with wind even now with a car I can't have

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the air conditioning on because of the wind on

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my face because when you're dropping at that

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speed your cheeks are going You know what I mean?

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So I did I smashed on Kat's tour, but I was still

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attached to two parachutes and I'm still quite

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high up So those those parachutes then filled

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up again and thank goodness I was kitted up and

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I've got my helmet on and everything like a rag

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doll as they going off with the wind I was getting

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dragged behind like a doll bouncing across the

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rocks and at Kat's tour there's about this much

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moss and the rest is rock. I was pretty beaten

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up and damaged. I eventually got to hospital

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where they spent several days x -ray scans and

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MRIs and all sorts because I'd fallen at such

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a height they didn't quite know what was broken.

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But the prognosis was that, and I was conscious

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throughout all of this by the way, it was very,

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very painful. The prognosis from the consultant

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was that we've checked you over for the past

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few days. The bottom line is you've broken most

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bones in your body, you've crushed your spine,

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you've broken your neck in two places. We're

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going to do our best for you, but you need to

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understand that it's likely that you'll never

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walk again. You're going to be paralysed for

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life. And he just walked out and left me with

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that. Can you imagine that? I'm flat packed,

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my head in a box, having to cope with that, it

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was enormous. I can't even imagine at all. And

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before we move more forward, because I want to

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get tons of detail here, I want to ask you a

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couple of technical things about the base jumping.

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So when your emergency chute deployed, which

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obviously that's not supposed to happen first.

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Major error. Is it because you pulled the main

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chute? Or were you not supposed to have a shoot

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yet? Were you still free -falling? Get fill in

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a little bit of that blank. I don't totally get

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it. What I was doing, I was base jumping. I was

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up in the thermals. I've got my camera. There

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were lots of birds below me with the wings open.

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And no parachute yet, right? I was on a parachute

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then. Oh, okay. Okay. I was gliding on the thermals.

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You just get into a pocket of wind, basically.

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If it's, I don't know, if it's up there at 10,

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15 miles an hour, you're probably gliding along

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at like 30 to 40 miles an hour. So you can get

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a lot of shots. And as I was doing that and obviously

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focusing, taking lots of pictures on my camera

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and then jerked back, it completely took the

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wind out. Well, literally took the wind out of

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my sails. What a pun. Okay, that was the part

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I just wasn't quite clear on so you had your

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regular shootout already then the emergency shoot

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malfunctioned and came out and That and you're

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not supposed to have both at the same time that

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messes everything definitely not yeah, it's not

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good news So then crazy things are happening

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you fall over a thousand feet and you hit rocks

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and you're being drug over rocks, is that what

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you were saying? That have just a thin layer

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on them? Because I was trying to gauge, because

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I was coming down so fast, I was trying to gauge

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the ground, ready to do a PLF landing. Basically,

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you scrunch yourself up in a roll so that when

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you hit the ground, you roll so you don't break

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bones. But I was going so fast and I was like,

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is it 300, 200, 100? Bang! and I actually hit

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the base of my spine on Kat's tour I screamed

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with all my might because I could feel the pain

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coming up my spine but also I had this horrendous

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noise coming out of my ears and it was where

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every vertebra because obviously it smashed at

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the base and every vertebra was hitting the next

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vertebra up and I could feel this force coming

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up my spine, up my neck you know like If you

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hold a shell to your ears, that big sea wave,

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it was like a thunder coming out of my ears.

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That was obviously the sound of all my bones

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ricocheting up together and it just came out

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of my ears and I was just screaming in agony.

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Yeah, it was horrendous. Just talk about cringe.

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I just can't even imagine. Okay, if you would

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fill in now, you told us a little bit about the

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injuries and being in the hospital. Give us a

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little more detail on what all was broken and

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then when you had an experience leaving your

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body in the middle of that because it didn't

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happen Right when you hit the ground it happened

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a little later, right? No, I decided that's amazing

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that you can have that much will absolutely amazing

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I would never have dreamt of doing it, but I

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was ready to bail out Well, I broke my arm in

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a couple of places. I broke my foot in four places.

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Obviously, I crushed all my spine and my neck

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and lots of other many injuries. So I was flat

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packed, if you like, on the hospital bed. My

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head was in a box. I was drips all over me. I

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was going in and out of sleep, obviously, because

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they were trying to keep me steady. So they were

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giving me lots and lots of medication. But I

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was waking up thinking, phew, I don't know what

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it is that they put me on here. I know there

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was morphine in it, but I don't know what they

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put me on here, but it's taking me up with the

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fairies. Because, you know, when you wake up

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and you think, am I in a dream or whatever? But

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when the consultant left me in that room after

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saying, he was very quick at it, this is what's

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going to happen to you. You've got this, this,

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this, and you're probably never going to walk

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again. And he just walked off out. All I had

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was my eyes and my ears and my voice, although

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my head was in a box and I couldn't move my chin.

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And all I could do was look at the ceiling. I

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was super fit. I was super active. I never sat

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still. I thought this can't be happening to me.

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I'll never walk again. I am not going to stay

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in this vehicle, in this meat suit and just look

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out. I felt like I was trapped in a body coffin.

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I just said to myself, I don't think I signed

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up for this. This can't be happening to me. And

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I just said with all my might, God help me. I

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didn't sign up for this. God help me. Get me

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out of here. And bang, I was viewing myself from

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the corner of the hospital room. and as I was

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looking down at myself I knew that I was connected

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to the person but I looked completely different

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to what I normally look because obviously I was

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black and blue I looked like something off a

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butcher's block as I was looking down I heard

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a voice and it seemed to come from inside my

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head like a speaker inside my head and it said

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what are you doing here you need to go back and

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I was really really confused with that because

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I wasn't into the things that I'm into now at

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that time. They said, you need to go back and

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start healing people through various things,

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which we'll talk about later. And I thought,

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I must be going mad because I've just been told

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I'm going to be paralysed for life. I literally,

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I can move my eyelashes and my lips and that

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was it. Everything else was sort of out of action.

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I just couldn't get my head around it, you know,

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and in my mind, all I said to myself was, If

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you think that I'm going back there then you've

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got another thing coming because I looked at

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myself and I was a complete mess. I was purple.

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Purple and swollen blob in this bed. And all

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I heard was you will and woof. Just this force.

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It was like flicking a switch. I was back in

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the body and back in all the pain. It was horrendous.

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But as I was trying to manage the pain I got

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a message that said we're showing you how to

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work in your dreams. Then, all of a sudden, since

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I had that out -of -body experience, I was in

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a room on my own, but the door was open. I could

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hear the nurses in the corridor, you know, by

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the reception and everything. I only said in

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my mind, wouldn't it be lovely to get out and

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walk and chat? And there I was. I was sat on

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the desk. It was just like a cartoon. I was like,

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hey, what's going on here? So I listened to all

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the conversations. So when they came in, I was

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able to talk to them and they said, what? I said,

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did your daughter like a birthday present? Or

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where did you hear that? I was on the desk. They're

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saying, what? We've heard about these things.

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If I thought that I wonder what happens to my

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dog because I left my dog out, I'd got quite

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a bit of land and he got a lot of room to roam

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around in. And boom, I was hovering right over.

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I'd got an aerial view of my property. with the

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dog in the allotment, or if I wanted to see my

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children, I could just move with Thor. It was

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amazing. So although a lot of my functions shut

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down, this superpower, all of a sudden, transporting

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myself here and there, it was just on top form.

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That began to settle down the more I began to

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get movement, but I really struggled. It took

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me nearly five years to learn to walk. I would

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be taken to a hydro pool, flat -packed, and I

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would be winced into the water. And literally

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I would do that. That was the entire energy in

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my body. And then they'd bring me out and they'd

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hairdry me, because by that time I'd lost all

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feelings in my legs and everything. I had no

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feelings at all from the waist down. But the

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nerves were beginning to knit. And so I couldn't

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actually have anything on me, so they had to

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hairdry me down. pull me out with the winch then

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just hair dry me down because I mean I couldn't

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have even had this on it was so painful so I

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had a lot of things to work through but when

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I was just waking up you know that just before

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just after you sleep and before you're compus

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mentis you get some thoughts sometimes and I

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would get messages like one of them was do what

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you can with what you've got today and I'd had

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to have a couple of operations on my feet, they

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had to screw all my bones together. That was

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really painful and one morning I woke up with

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the image of a tuning fork because I'd asked,

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hopefully I'll be able to find something for

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this pain and I thought well that was a bit crazy

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so anyway I bought a tuning fork and it worked

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because it dispersed the frequency, dispersed

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the pain in my foot and that's how I got into

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sort of alternative therapies if you like and

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I remember even though I couldn't feel my feet

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at all. No feeling from the waist down at one

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stage. My legs were sort of this thin but in

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my mind I knew I was going to be on my feet.

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I was determined I was going to walk. So I got

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some of those exercise pads and I would put them

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on my legs and I'd watch all my muscles twitch.

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I couldn't feel a thing. My mum came in one day

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in despair. She came to look after me for a while.

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And she said, Jane, Jane, what on earth are you

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doing? I said, my legs aren't fit enough to carry

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me. I'm preparing my legs ready to walk. And

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she'd be like, oh my God. You know, we're going

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to have a struggle with her. She doesn't understand.

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And I said, no, mum, I'm going to walk. She's

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in denial. Yeah. And so she would go out in despair

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thinking, you know, what am I going to do with

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her? So I was preparing my legs to get them strong

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before I could walk and eventually when I was

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in a wheelchair and then crutches and all of

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that, I actually went to see a reflexologist.

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I didn't have much feeling in my legs, but I

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knew I'd got the message that I need to move

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my body, I need to move the energy. It's like

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move the source, I think it was that they said.

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So I thought, well, I'll try this reflexology

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malarkey. You know, I didn't really know what

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it was. I had a treatment with reflexology. And

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when I got home, I got a telephone call from

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the lady. Because, I mean, bearing in mind, I

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was in a cast from my hips to under my arms.

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My neck was in a box. I walked in sort of like

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a Michelin man. She was just ringing me up to

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make sure that I'd got home OK. And I was distraught.

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I said to her, I said, yeah, I'm OK. I said,

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I've got home, but I'm not OK. I'm not OK. I

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said, I got in the car to come home. I would

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be driving at 10 miles an hour because every

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bump, every little bump you could feel. As I

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was driving home, I started to cry and I haven't

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stopped crying. I don't know what you've done

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to me. And she said, Jane, she says, it's the

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trauma coming out of your body. I didn't understand.

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how those therapies worked and I thought oh well

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now I understand that obviously it's healing.

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One day I was hobbling in my crutches going into

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my kitchen and my mum was by the sink preparing

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something whatever she was doing. I just went

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into a blind panic through my crutches dropped

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to the floor and I was screaming and I was in

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I was so irrational my mum was going crazy you

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know she rang the doctor and came out with this

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injection I felt like I was a horse with a vet

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down I went. Hey quick pause here to tell you

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I couldn't understand. why I just totally lost

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the plot. It was like I was electrified and dropped

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to the floor. And so I went to see a hypnotherapist

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and I was regressed back and we put it in black

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and white, we put it in slow motion and everything

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else because I wanted to know the core issue

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of what happened to me because I was scared because

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I didn't know what I was scared of, if you know

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what I mean. The core of it was Mum was in my

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kitchen and she got the patio doors open and

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the breeze was coming in and it just touched

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my face like that. Well, when you're dropping

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one and a half thousand foot, you know, it's

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like... It took me straight back, straight back

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to that trauma and I just collapsed in bits on

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the floor. So I found that through hypnotherapy

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and I used a lot of other different therapies

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as well to get over things. But I got a lot of

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healing messages and I became super aware. My

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hearing was, I don't know, I felt like I was

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a dog. I could hear for miles because all my

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other functions had shut down. My hearing and

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my smell, I could actually smell somebody on

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my drive that was coming into the house. But

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as my physical self got a little bit better each

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month, those senses slowed down a little, but

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it was a horrendous roller coaster. I mean, that's

00:22:01.789 --> 00:22:04.630
when my journey began. I began on that healing

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journey. Okay, let's do this. I want to hear

00:22:07.950 --> 00:22:10.309
just a little bit more about this part, and I've

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got a couple of questions for you. And then for

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those that are interested, we're going to move

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on and talk a little bit about some of these

00:22:17.069 --> 00:22:20.089
alternative healing things that you've picked

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up in practice now. Yeah. But to go back with,

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when you first left your body, it was because

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of something that you said. Do you remember what

00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.059
you told me? I just said, I said to the universe,

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no, I didn't sign up for this. Yeah. You know,

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I bailed out. God helped me get me out of here.

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Yeah. God helped me get me out of here. And it

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was like I just changed channels and I was looking

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at myself from a different view. Yeah. And at

00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:50.839
some point you were told that you needed to go

00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:54.450
back. Yeah. And I knew that that was an authoritative.

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It wasn't, it wasn't harsh, but it was firm.

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It was comforting, but firm and authoritative.

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And when they said you had to go back and obviously

00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:07.950
I'm protesting, I knew that it was pointless.

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I knew that I'd be going back. Was this a voice

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or a feeling? No, it was a, it was a voice, you

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know, like it was like an echo in my head as

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if I heard it from the inside, as if it was coming.

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From inside of me you need to go back and I thought

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no chance and then you will bang I was straight

00:23:29.619 --> 00:23:32.259
in back in the body thought well, that's what

00:23:32.259 --> 00:23:35.180
hell of a parent Yeah, while you were out of

00:23:35.180 --> 00:23:38.160
body was there anything else that you felt or

00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:42.640
saw or heard? Yeah, when I first had the impact

00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.700
on Kat's tour, it was almost like, you know,

00:23:45.700 --> 00:23:48.920
you're a thorough body around you. It was almost

00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:53.240
like I smashed to the ground and I just exploded.

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So when the nurses would try to come into the

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hospital room, I would be shouting, obviously

00:23:59.859 --> 00:24:02.500
flat -packed, but I could sense when they were

00:24:02.500 --> 00:24:05.299
coming in and I would say, stop, stop, stop,

00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:07.640
you're treading on me. And they'd only be by

00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.000
the door. And they're saying, what are you talking

00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:11.900
about, Jane? We need to come. We need to change

00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:14.500
this medication. I'd got drips everywhere, in

00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:16.859
my legs, in my arms, everywhere. And I said,

00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.140
no, no, no. You're hurting me. You're treading

00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:22.160
on me. And they didn't understand it. And the

00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.900
consultant came in by the door because the nurses,

00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:27.700
you know, I banned them all. I said, you can't

00:24:27.700 --> 00:24:30.710
come in. So he came to the door. tried to reason

00:24:30.710 --> 00:24:33.150
with me. And I said, no, they're treading on

00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:35.529
me. I can feel them. It's almost like they're

00:24:35.529 --> 00:24:38.630
treading on my soul. So we worked out a mechanism

00:24:38.630 --> 00:24:41.529
that I would count to 10. I would tell them when

00:24:41.529 --> 00:24:44.970
I'm counting to 10, and they would rush in, chase

00:24:44.970 --> 00:24:48.990
a drip and be out by nine, because I could feel

00:24:48.990 --> 00:24:52.250
their energy coming towards me. And it was really

00:24:52.250 --> 00:24:57.549
pressing on me. I was so fragile, so fragile,

00:24:57.809 --> 00:25:01.500
emotionally, mentally, physically. Fragile. Totally

00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:04.920
amazing that you were alive at all. I can't believe

00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:07.460
it. Yeah, you basically broke everything. You

00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:10.480
were a broken person in all those different ways

00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.480
that you just mentioned. And I think that because

00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:16.500
there was a lot of things going on, I just finished

00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:19.099
my law degree. That's one thing I said when they

00:25:19.099 --> 00:25:21.019
said you need to go back and start helping people.

00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.200
I thought I haven't studied law all these years

00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.599
to go lala. What are they talking about? You

00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.799
know, that's not my bag. That ended my career.

00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:32.380
I just got a contract with Sir Nicholas Wilson

00:25:32.380 --> 00:25:35.640
after law school to work at the High Courts of

00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:38.420
Justice and I thought, well, you know, I'm on

00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:42.579
my way. But that all stopped. I do know that

00:25:42.579 --> 00:25:45.420
I was on my own, I was single, I'd got three

00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:47.759
jobs, three part -time jobs, taking the children

00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.400
to school and everything else, looking after

00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.680
my allotments and blah blah blah, you know, self

00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.700
-sufficient. I don't need anybody, nobody can

00:25:55.700 --> 00:25:58.119
touch me, I'm gonna be strong. And obviously

00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:00.039
my soul's saying, Jane, it doesn't work like

00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.559
that. So I wasn't listening to myself. My mother

00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.109
would call me a willful mare. I don't know whether

00:26:06.109 --> 00:26:08.630
that's familiar to you over there. Well, contrary

00:26:08.630 --> 00:26:11.690
mare, she would call me. But that will actually

00:26:11.690 --> 00:26:16.490
was the strength that I used to get myself better

00:26:16.490 --> 00:26:20.529
again. She said, I never realised your willfulness

00:26:20.529 --> 00:26:23.190
until now. You're preparing yourself for this

00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:27.869
step. I had to flatline and start all over again

00:26:27.869 --> 00:26:31.230
because I was so busy doing, doing, doing. I

00:26:31.230 --> 00:26:34.609
was... deliberately blinding myself from situations

00:26:34.609 --> 00:26:38.630
where I needed to change my lifestyle. One job

00:26:38.630 --> 00:26:43.150
would be fine. I didn't need two and three and

00:26:43.150 --> 00:26:46.009
whatever. I didn't need to be doing everything

00:26:46.009 --> 00:26:48.470
that I thought I'd need to do because I need

00:26:48.470 --> 00:26:50.410
to be self -sufficient. You know, you can ask

00:26:50.410 --> 00:26:53.730
people to do things. I was just burning out,

00:26:54.069 --> 00:26:56.869
totally burning out. And I know your subconscious

00:26:56.869 --> 00:26:59.410
mind is there to look after you and it will look

00:26:59.410 --> 00:27:03.319
after you. If your body isn't coping, let's say

00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:05.680
it thinks she needs a rest, we're gonna give

00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:08.400
her the flu. And you don't listen, they'll think,

00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.200
right, that's it, we're gonna give her pneumonia

00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.880
and knock her off her feet for a week. Because

00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.660
your body knows, your body is actually telling

00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:18.000
you, but I wasn't listening. I could cope, I

00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.940
didn't need anybody, I could do everything, I

00:27:19.940 --> 00:27:22.559
could manage everything. I'm financially fine,

00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:26.519
I'm okay. I was very defiant. I'm a lot softer

00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.349
now. You changed a lot. Overall, what were the

00:27:30.349 --> 00:27:32.869
biggest things that you learned from this experience?

00:27:33.549 --> 00:27:36.890
Living in the moment is very important because

00:27:36.890 --> 00:27:39.990
we can think about, let's say, oh, it looks like

00:27:39.990 --> 00:27:42.490
cloudy day. I think it's going to rain. We might

00:27:42.490 --> 00:27:44.170
take a brolly, blah, blah, blah. We've got all

00:27:44.170 --> 00:27:46.170
these think, think, think, think, think. And

00:27:46.170 --> 00:27:49.109
we're thinking about things that don't even exist

00:27:49.109 --> 00:27:52.109
half the time that we forget to look and think

00:27:52.109 --> 00:27:54.910
the honeysuckles out. That blossom looks lovely.

00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:58.779
We're blind to a lot of things. Just like when

00:27:58.779 --> 00:28:01.380
you drive with your car, you're driving so fast

00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:03.500
you don't see anything. Whereas if you walk,

00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.779
you see the trees, you smell the fragrance. Just

00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:10.900
living in the moment is very important. All right.

00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:13.220
We've been through all that. Some of the other

00:28:13.220 --> 00:28:15.700
things that you and I wanted to talk about were

00:28:15.700 --> 00:28:18.480
these alternative healing things. One thing that

00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.559
I hear about often I don't have personal experience

00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.019
with is past life regressions. Would you explain

00:28:26.019 --> 00:28:30.299
what that is and how it helps people? Okay, past

00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:33.140
life regression. Actually now we know through

00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:37.900
quantum physics time is not linear, but basically

00:28:37.900 --> 00:28:42.559
you regress a person to a point in time, whether

00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.200
it's this life or a previous life, because our

00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.180
soul is one soul and These bodies are suits,

00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.200
just like we change our vehicle. We can drive

00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.920
a truck, we can drive a bus, we can drive a car.

00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:58.859
And so our soul will have several lives to contract

00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:02.579
on challenges, experiences and challenges. That

00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:06.519
is the theory. So I got into that purely because

00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.160
it helped me. Because you can go to the root

00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.880
cause of things that are issues that happen today.

00:29:11.980 --> 00:29:15.119
And we know now through quantum physics that

00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.269
we know through DNA. ADHD, mental health issues,

00:29:19.549 --> 00:29:23.009
cancer. We know that we can transfer those, but

00:29:23.009 --> 00:29:26.349
we also know now that we can transfer thought.

00:29:26.710 --> 00:29:29.809
There was an experiment with rats, and I don't

00:29:29.809 --> 00:29:33.150
know whether you know about the thin red deer

00:29:33.150 --> 00:29:37.750
in Germany. The thin red deer, when the Berlin

00:29:37.750 --> 00:29:40.549
Wall went up, there was a massive wall around,

00:29:40.710 --> 00:29:44.069
separated East and West Germany. Obviously, in

00:29:44.069 --> 00:29:47.039
the countryside, lots and lots of woodland, They

00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:50.660
had Harris fencing, etc. The animals in the woodlands,

00:29:50.980 --> 00:29:53.980
there's lots of deer in there, they soon got

00:29:53.980 --> 00:29:55.839
to know that if you got a little bit close to

00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.640
the fence, you're liable to stand on a mine or

00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:00.559
something. If you got really close, you know,

00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.299
you'd fry. I can't remember how long the Berlin

00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:06.539
Wall was up. I think it came down in 1989, but

00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:10.259
reindeer only lived till they're about 15. So

00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:13.880
there was like two generations of reindeer. But

00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.680
even to this day, The reindeer knew from that

00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.019
side of the woodland to that side and to this

00:30:20.019 --> 00:30:22.680
day they do not cross that line. They'll get

00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.619
up close to where the Harris fencing used to

00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:28.099
be, they'd chew some cod and then they'd walk

00:30:28.099 --> 00:30:31.700
off but you know they just know that it's a survival

00:30:31.700 --> 00:30:35.119
technique that they've got. So is that genetic

00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.160
or how does that happen? Some people think that

00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.900
it's conditioning. Obviously, every animal's

00:30:40.900 --> 00:30:42.759
got their own language, they talk to each other,

00:30:42.940 --> 00:30:45.819
but it's transferred thought. It's like there

00:30:45.819 --> 00:30:49.039
was an experiment with some pregnant rats, which

00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.480
they impregnated with a blossom. Let's call it

00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.039
apple blossom. And obviously, that was a shock

00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.880
to their system. And the minute that they had

00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.099
their babies, they'd got a little tray, little

00:31:01.099 --> 00:31:03.700
box, and they'd put the babies in there so that

00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:07.039
they had no... nurturing from the mother rats,

00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.160
they put them in this little tray, this box,

00:31:10.660 --> 00:31:12.940
and they were sort of trying to crawl around

00:31:12.940 --> 00:31:16.940
and then what they did was they put some apple

00:31:16.940 --> 00:31:21.720
blossom in a corner of the box and the minute

00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.619
that the baby rats started to get towards that

00:31:24.619 --> 00:31:27.759
corner they went into fight or flight mode. It's

00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.819
almost like it changes their code, their survival

00:31:30.819 --> 00:31:34.240
code. So, and there's a lot that we don't understand

00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.180
about our memory, isn't there? Yeah, and with

00:31:37.180 --> 00:31:40.160
animals, we call a lot of that instinct. Yeah.

00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.460
So whether it's in their DNA, whether it's social.

00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.140
I mean, to me, instinct is more than just social.

00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:49.079
It's something innate that's going to happen.

00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:52.359
So that'd be interesting. Like, it'd be interesting

00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.519
to find out. Was there ever a time when they

00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.359
took some of those deer near the Berlin Wall

00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:04.079
who maybe had lost their mother Were raised at

00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.400
a place where we know this mother could not have

00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:11.700
communicated Hey, don't go in this area And did

00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:14.819
they still avoid that area? The thing is that

00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:17.640
there's there's so many Questions that we can

00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.099
ask. I just think now where I was a very closed

00:32:21.099 --> 00:32:24.779
off. I was very factual where I wanted case studies,

00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.279
evidence, facts, fact, fact, fact. I began to

00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.140
have an open mind. That's all you need to do.

00:32:30.259 --> 00:32:32.660
You don't have to believe everything. If it doesn't

00:32:32.660 --> 00:32:35.599
sit with you, don't go with it. You know if something

00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.440
is comfortable with you, but it's a bit like

00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.319
you've heard of somebody having too much on the

00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.460
shoulders, having a heavy heart. I help a lot

00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:48.460
of people with what they think is IBS, when actually

00:32:48.460 --> 00:32:52.619
they regress, when I take them to the root cause,

00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.440
they regress to a time, let's say that they were

00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:59.319
in a coercive relationship, because our soul

00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.960
holds receipts, we hold memories in our muscles,

00:33:03.339 --> 00:33:06.680
in our organs, so they regress to that time.

00:33:06.890 --> 00:33:09.970
because it's IBS here, because it's where they've

00:33:09.970 --> 00:33:13.049
got a memory of a time in their life when they

00:33:13.049 --> 00:33:16.210
couldn't stomach life. It's very symbolic. Do

00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:18.329
you see what I mean? I'm just open to everything.

00:33:18.569 --> 00:33:21.170
I don't say, it's like we've just had a retreat.

00:33:21.589 --> 00:33:24.150
We have log cabin that we do healing retreats.

00:33:24.150 --> 00:33:27.170
So we hire a big log cabin and we're drumming.

00:33:27.250 --> 00:33:30.970
We have a fire pit. We have high vibrational

00:33:30.970 --> 00:33:33.930
food. We only have a high vibrational food for

00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:37.549
that weekend. And we do loads and loads of different

00:33:37.549 --> 00:33:41.269
techniques. People love when we do the elevation.

00:33:41.970 --> 00:33:44.130
When somebody's on a chair and with your hands,

00:33:44.170 --> 00:33:46.750
you can just do this and you can actually lift

00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:49.109
them off the chair. But it needs a group of you

00:33:49.109 --> 00:33:52.430
to do it at the time to see it's amazing. That's

00:33:52.430 --> 00:33:55.589
pure energy. We can't see it. We can't smell

00:33:55.589 --> 00:33:58.710
it, but it's there. I just have to say, yeah,

00:33:58.809 --> 00:34:01.789
well, obviously it is there. I don't have to

00:34:01.789 --> 00:34:04.819
understand it all. Cool. All right. What do people

00:34:04.819 --> 00:34:07.160
do with this information? Somebody listening

00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.579
today, for example, that's never had any of this

00:34:10.579 --> 00:34:16.159
kind of work done. Okay, I had a lady. I've got

00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.519
a YouTube channel with about, I don't know, 600

00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.940
videos on how I work. I'm a dinosaur with technology,

00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.809
so I just put them out as they are. A lady came

00:34:24.809 --> 00:34:28.130
to me, she was going through a bit of a challenging

00:34:28.130 --> 00:34:31.909
relationship. When she was meditating, she saw

00:34:31.909 --> 00:34:35.909
this particular flag. She'd got a bit of affiliation

00:34:35.909 --> 00:34:39.909
with the Air Force. She'd always had a fascination

00:34:39.909 --> 00:34:43.170
with Paris. It's in, I think that's in my second

00:34:43.170 --> 00:34:45.789
book. I've got a few books out. And I did a book

00:34:45.789 --> 00:34:48.730
of case studies, of my own case studies. Well,

00:34:48.889 --> 00:34:52.739
this woman... I find name, date, time, place.

00:34:53.139 --> 00:34:54.920
You know, if you're on a boat, I want to know

00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.840
the name of the ship. I want to know the country

00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:02.619
that you're in and the time line so that I can

00:35:02.619 --> 00:35:06.179
research it on Google and find it. Well, this

00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:09.300
woman, she went back to her life. She says, I'm

00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:12.219
training in Paris. She says, I'm English but

00:35:12.219 --> 00:35:15.000
I'm training in Paris. She told me her name and

00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.920
she said she was training in Paris and she was

00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.800
one of the first RAF women pilots. Although the

00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.980
men actually did the frontline stuff, she said

00:35:24.980 --> 00:35:28.179
we would go and collect people from war -torn

00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:30.780
countries or, you know, we would be the ones

00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:33.579
going on missions like taxiing because I asked

00:35:33.579 --> 00:35:36.659
her, you know, what's the significance of this

00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:40.199
flag that she sees and she drew it. and she said

00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.619
it's what we know as Libya today. I used to travel

00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:45.900
there to get people out of the country and she

00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:48.239
told me her name and actually that was the name

00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:52.019
of the first English woman pilot with the RAF

00:35:52.019 --> 00:35:55.420
in that year and they actually trained in Paris

00:35:55.420 --> 00:35:58.380
at that place and it's like I don't know how

00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:00.719
they know all this but I've got to leave the

00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.300
door open. I get so much detail it's unbelievable.

00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.000
And so with your research you're able to prove

00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.860
some of these things. Yeah, it really is what

00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:13.739
they're saying. I had a woman that came to me.

00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:18.539
She was petrified. She had to speak at work.

00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.780
She was petrified. So that was just a plain,

00:36:22.059 --> 00:36:24.059
simple hypnosis. But I asked her to go to the

00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:26.619
root cause. And she told me she was a young lad

00:36:26.619 --> 00:36:30.280
in Ireland, standing on a box on a crate with

00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.059
a lot of other men fighting and shouting for

00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:36.869
a decent men's pay, you know, wages. She said,

00:36:37.090 --> 00:36:39.030
they all ended up in the tavern at night, but

00:36:39.030 --> 00:36:41.010
the gentry weren't happy about this. She told

00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:43.289
me the year and everything. And they gathered

00:36:43.289 --> 00:36:46.690
them up and they hung them. But the blockage

00:36:46.690 --> 00:36:49.769
was in her throat because, and I said, what's

00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:53.829
the significance? And she says her mind remembers

00:36:53.829 --> 00:36:57.969
these flash memories. And if she's in danger,

00:36:58.389 --> 00:37:01.440
it tries to keep her away from danger. Every

00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.639
time somebody asks her to speak, she's still

00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.179
got that memory with her because we can transfer

00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:09.159
memories and we know that. When somebody asks

00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.320
her to speak, her mind says, hey girl, remember

00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.639
what happened last time? Are you really sure

00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.739
you want to speak up? But it's out of date news,

00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:20.480
it's an out of date memory and we just haven't

00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.739
filed it in the right place. This mind is massive.

00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:26.440
I don't file everything in my house in the right

00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:30.260
place. How would I cope with all this? We do.

00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:33.360
associate things don't we and we don't file things

00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.800
in the right place. Yeah and it helps and particularly

00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.219
if somebody says got a mole or an injury it could

00:37:40.219 --> 00:37:43.440
be related to say where they were shot in a previous

00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:47.139
life or whatever and it's surprising because

00:37:47.139 --> 00:37:50.639
as soon as they release that memory and they

00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.079
have to do this then they feel a lot better.

00:37:54.739 --> 00:37:57.280
I had a lady that went down to the root cause

00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.400
of she couldn't see she got an eye patch and

00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.869
a white stick. And I just said, I'm going to

00:38:01.869 --> 00:38:04.050
ask what's happening with your eyes because the

00:38:04.050 --> 00:38:06.969
NHS can't find anything wrong. And she went down

00:38:06.969 --> 00:38:09.230
to when she was three years old and she said,

00:38:09.230 --> 00:38:11.570
I'm in the kitchen and mummy and daddy are arguing.

00:38:11.650 --> 00:38:14.110
She was crying and she was saying they won't

00:38:14.110 --> 00:38:17.769
stop. So I was drawing at the kitchen table and

00:38:17.769 --> 00:38:19.849
I closed my eyes and screamed, stop it, stop

00:38:19.849 --> 00:38:23.909
it. And she was distraught. It was it was detachment

00:38:23.909 --> 00:38:27.510
from her parents. It was like an attachment issue.

00:38:28.099 --> 00:38:30.579
She says, and when I open my eyes, my daddy was

00:38:30.579 --> 00:38:33.360
gone. And I said, well, what's that got to do

00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.659
with, you know, the conditions of her eyes now?

00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:38.739
And she said she made a decision at that time,

00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:40.940
because obviously she closed her eyes when she

00:38:40.940 --> 00:38:43.340
opened them, daddy was gone. She made a decision

00:38:43.340 --> 00:38:46.179
she didn't want to see anymore. And she was holding

00:38:46.179 --> 00:38:48.019
the memory at the back of her eyes. And I said,

00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.139
right, well, let's go there. And we do it all

00:38:51.139 --> 00:38:53.960
through thought. They have to be ready to let

00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.500
it go because it's a bit like a piece of furniture.

00:38:56.539 --> 00:38:59.039
You've had it so long. almost don't want to let

00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.320
go of it. And then when they let it go, it just

00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.739
releases it. Do you know what? When she came

00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:08.920
off the couch, I was happy tears. She got hold

00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:11.940
of my face and she went, oh, I can see your face.

00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.300
I can see that light switch. And we both just

00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:19.659
sobbed. She said, I can see. That's not me doing

00:39:19.659 --> 00:39:23.760
miracles. That's me facilitating somebody finding

00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.849
the root cause of their story. that trauma really.

00:39:29.449 --> 00:39:34.110
But it's an amazing gift. Very cool. If anybody

00:39:34.110 --> 00:39:36.849
wants to reach out to you, you have a website

00:39:36.849 --> 00:39:40.630
jane -osborne .com. I'll put it down in the snow

00:39:40.630 --> 00:39:43.409
notes. And I'm going to give you the last word

00:39:43.409 --> 00:39:47.690
here. Here's my question. I would like you to

00:39:47.690 --> 00:39:49.889
leave us with some kind of a message of hope.

00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:54.090
Why we shouldn't have fear of the future or an

00:39:54.090 --> 00:39:56.650
afterlife. If you can kind of put your thoughts

00:39:56.650 --> 00:40:00.730
into that, that'd be great. Well, the thing is,

00:40:01.010 --> 00:40:04.289
fear is just a thought, but we always, I mean,

00:40:04.389 --> 00:40:07.130
we're here, aren't we? We've survived so many

00:40:07.130 --> 00:40:10.230
things from when we were tiny to going through

00:40:10.230 --> 00:40:13.409
our teenage years, divorce, accidents, whatever.

00:40:14.110 --> 00:40:18.769
Naturally, we always survive. It's only our fear

00:40:18.769 --> 00:40:20.590
that says, this is going to happen, this is going

00:40:20.590 --> 00:40:24.010
to happen and it can kind of chew in your mind

00:40:24.010 --> 00:40:27.489
a lot so just don't listen to that monkey mind

00:40:27.489 --> 00:40:31.429
and don't believe in fear everything is a challenge

00:40:31.429 --> 00:40:35.630
and sometimes it's because your body and everything

00:40:35.630 --> 00:40:39.010
and your soul it needs a change in direction

00:40:39.010 --> 00:40:42.050
and it will make you uncomfortable in situations,

00:40:42.369 --> 00:40:45.329
in jobs or whatever because it's trying to steer

00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:47.889
you in the right way it's almost like an invisible

00:40:47.889 --> 00:40:51.519
parent and sometimes it is difficult but change

00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.900
is really important and when you're having those

00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:57.539
struggles like I thought I just lost the plot

00:40:57.539 --> 00:41:00.559
and I was never going to walk again but that

00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.079
when I lost everything was when my journey began

00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:10.159
so never ever lose hope or faith and never be

00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.739
afraid because you don't actually die you just

00:41:13.739 --> 00:41:16.039
flick a switch and look at everything from a

00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.099
different channel I like it Thanks a lot, Jane.

00:41:19.340 --> 00:41:21.840
Appreciate you being with me today. You're welcome.

00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:24.320
I've really enjoyed it. I've really enjoyed it,

00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:28.159
Eric. Thanks again for listening and sharing

00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.480
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00:41:47.010 --> 00:41:48.670
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