Claudia's NDE Followed Death In Childbirth

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again incredibly safe and felt at home Welcome

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welcome to round trip death everybody and i'd

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like to welcome our really special guest today

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claudia edge who's coming to us from the salt

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lake city area how are you today claudia i'm

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good i'm really excited about the opportunity

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to share and be on your program thanks for the

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invite Well, I've had a couple of people refer

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you to me, and so I can't wait to hear your story,

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too. I only know a little bit about it. And I

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think the title of your book that just barely

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came out. Thank you for inviting me to the party,

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by the way, looks really, really fascinating.

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So after we talk about your NDE, we're going

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to talk about all these things that are learned

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through, quote, spirit school. So we'll get to

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all that. plug. Shameless plug of the plug. And

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there'll be a link in the show notes if anybody

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wants to have a look at it. Before we jump in,

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tell us just a little bit about you. Who's Claudia?

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Who is Claudia? Well, I'm married with five children.

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I've got 10 grandchildren. I lost my dad when

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I was 16. So I have spent a lot of my life looking

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for Where is he? What is he doing? You know,

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I wanted I've really been an explorer of the

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death realm. Basically, I've been a hospice volunteer,

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an elder caregiver. When I was very young, I

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experienced a lot of my mother came from nine

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siblings and she was the youngest. So I went

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to a lot of funerals before I was even five,

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six, seven years old. And so death doesn't frighten

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me, I'm inquisitive about it. When I lost my

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dad, that was in 1969, I searched for reference

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materials and whatever I could find, and then

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Dr. Raymond Moody's work began to come out. So

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I'm going into my story, so I'll pause for a

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second. Okay. You warned me I was going to have

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a hard time getting word in edgewise today. And

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that is perfectly fine. The show is about the

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guests, not about me. I just want to kind of

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clarify something in case we have some new listeners

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here today. Even though the word death is in

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the title of this show, this show is not about

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death. This show is about life and about hope

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that there is something beyond death. So that's

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hopefully something that we learn and are reminded

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of all the time. All right, let's talk about

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your story, your NDE. Take us back quite a few

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years. This is a terrifying thing. You were pregnant

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with child number what? Five, my last baby. What

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happened? Well, I was feeling quite lightheaded

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and I was waiting for my husband to get home

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from work to go to the hospital just to be checked

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out. Because I wasn't in active labor, you know,

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they encouraged me to wait it out or walk around

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the hospital and check back. But intuition is

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a very powerful entity. When you get these whisperings,

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it's like, go back to the desk, go back and insist

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on being seen. And I did, and it wasn't just

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a couple of minutes later, that what happened

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was my placenta, that's an organ between mother

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and child and within the womb that regulates

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everything, it was accepting the flow of blood

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in, but it was not, for whatever reason, it was

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not exiting. so it came to a point where it could

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hold no more and in front of the the nurses that

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were dismissing my symptoms kind of went oh my

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goodness because it was an explosion of blood

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so the situation was very dire I was bleeding

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out very quickly They had called my doctor and

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said, Claudia is here, but don't worry about

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it. She's not in active labor or anything like

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that. Roll over, go back to sleep kind of thing.

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So there was really, and it was about 1030 at

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night. And so there wasn't a whole lot of activity

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happening on that floor of the hospital. So it

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took a bit to get an intern from another area

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to run in who had never assisted in childbirth,

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let alone an emergency seat. section, but he

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came in and said, this woman's got like two minutes

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left to live. And they were trying to find a

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heartbeat on my child and could not. And in hearing

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that death was imminent, I said, please save

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my baby, focus on saving the baby, which meant

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I okayed being held down, arms, legs. no anesthesia,

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no comfort at all. This was surgery in the raw

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and they were grabbing, even the lady that was

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trying to mop so that the doctors could get close

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enough to me to perform the miracles that they

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were about to perform were all holding onto me.

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And it was quite an exchange of a life for a

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life in my mind. The pain was I can't even, I

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can't find words to describe the pain. And so

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I was trying my best to hold my own self still

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and accept that what I was doing was saving my

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baby's life. So it was quite a juxtaposition

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of thought there of I want to jump off this table

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running and screaming from the pain. and the

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other as a mother's love, wanting to save her

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child. So that was quite a little argument in

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my own head at the time too. But I did, I noticed

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that the room was getting, the walls of the room

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had popped off. The roof popped off and the walls

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were kind of becoming fluid and coming into me.

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And I, after so much... study of a near -death

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experience, I went, oh, I know what this is.

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This is gonna form a tunnel. There was a lot

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of, it's amazing, the human mind, how we can

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go from one subject to the other all at the same

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time. But I noticed that I was kind of going

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blind. I couldn't see very well. I knew that

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this was the end and my hearing became very acute.

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I could hear even out in the parking lot. car

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doors slamming individual conversations throughout

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the hospital if I just focused. So I was entering

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into I guess that in between where our senses

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are heightened and whatnot. When I saw them pull

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a lifeless little body from me, sorry that one's

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always hard to say, I'd had enough. There had

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always been this kind of tugging at the back

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of my head and I relaxed into that and popped

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out of the top of my head and witnessed the actions

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of trying to save me. I just, I had lost interest,

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you know? I wanted to explore this feeling of

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perfection and not feeling pain. I wandered through

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the hospital. I wandered through the first wall,

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saw my husband sitting on a chair filling out

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the hospital paperwork. He had his driver's license

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out. I had this wave of, oh my goodness, life

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is going to be so hard. I still have four little

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ones at home. But there was a feeling of it's

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all going to be okay. It was like I was being

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released from that earthly worry. that I was

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free to just, I floated about the hospital. Lots

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of details that I don't want to fixate on, but

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spent some time there. And then I went to a,

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I was following some music. It happened to be

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MASH, the television program MASH, would run

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nightly at 10 .30 after the news. So I even had

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a thought of, oh my goodness, it's 10 .30. And

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I'm dead. I know exactly what time I died kind

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of thing. So I kept my comical personality, I

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guess, of just noticing those type of details.

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But it was the realization that, yes, I really

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was dead. And once that kind of seeped in, I

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found myself in this amazing place. I was no

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longer in the hospital. I was in a place of perfection

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of, oh, the entirety of it was beyond, it was

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infinity. And it was complete black. I couldn't

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see anything. Everything in this place of perfection

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was feeling. I was, I was loved. I was swaddled

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and cuddled and it knew this intelligence of

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this vastness people have tried to tell me it

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was the void and I'm like it wasn't void of anything

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it was absolute perfection and it was enormous

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so vastness works for me better than void I was

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so happy to be there I could have stayed there

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forever but a voice chimed in and it was one

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of the nurses that was calling me by name and

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telling me, you've got a baby girl. You need

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to come back to us. I was poopooing at going,

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I saw my baby girl. I know that she was not with

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us. I saw that limp little body. No amount of

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encouraging me to come back was working. And

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it was so irritating to be in this beautiful

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place and then have this scratchy voice coming

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into my ear and messing up the perfection there.

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And so I looked for, well, I kept thinking, just

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leave me alone, I'm fine. But it wasn't coming

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through, she was still talking to me. And so

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I looked for a way to use my voice. And in that

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thinking of being human again and looking for

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a voice, I was back in my body. So I'll tell

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you now that my little baby girl did live. She's

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perfect. Two miracles that night because they

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brought me back as well. But it was really confusing

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because I had never read about an experience

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that was in complete darkness. If anyone else

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had had an experience like that, they weren't

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talking about it because I found that the couple

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of times that I did, The reaction was more negative

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than, Oh my goodness, tell me more. It was kind

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of like, you know, you were in blackness and

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the connotation seemed to be a negative. Like,

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did I go to someplace bad? Well, again, that

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mind arguing with itself, because it's like,

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that was not a place that was where bad people

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go or whatever. That was amazing and I could

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have stayed there forever and been completely

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in joy. So I didn't talk about it. Let's jump

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into a few details. Okay. First of all you were

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expecting to see some kind of a tunnel. Were

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you surprised that you didn't? You know I've

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thought about it and as it because I knew that

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it was coming because the walls were forming

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one and I don't know if I beat it by popping

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out of my head early. You know, it's one of those,

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I don't remember being in a tunnel because I

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was immediately able to go through walls in the

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hospital. So I might have missed the boat in

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the tunnel. Well, and that's actually more typical

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than you probably realize. The tunnel is this

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kind of cliche thing, and some people go through

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this tunnel toward the light. It's not even that

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common, frankly. So many people have an experience

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more like yours, where they either go up through

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the roof, you know, of the hospital, or you kind

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of wandered around a little bit to see what was

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going on. Anyone that's not very familiar with

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this kind of a medical situation, I've had a

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couple of people, other people on the show that

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have been through something not, I will never

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say the same, but something kind of similar.

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And basically you lose all of the blood in your

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body. Most women don't come back from it. So

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that's amazing that an intern was able to do

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what needed to be done and a nurse that was intuitive

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enough to call to you to bring you back. What

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kind of feelings did you have for that nurse

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after and did you have a chance to have a conversation

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with her? You know, I didn't with the nurse.

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And honestly, as you just said that, I thought,

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because I, I wrote a letter of thank you to this

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intern because he walked into the room with a

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kind of a folder of information of how to deliver

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a C -section because this had been his first.

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He seemed very, very young. So I thanked him

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and, and I turned. In the midst of all of it,

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I turned myself over to him and just said, in

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my mind, just said, he's either gonna help or

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hurt or whatever, but there's nothing I can do,

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and I turned everything over to him. So I did

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write him a nice letter of thanks for everything

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that he did, but I'm sorry now that I didn't

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think of the nurse, because she was really...

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instigator and bringing me back yeah she played

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a role in it so ironic that you heard the mash

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music because how similar is mash to that kind

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of a situation is that crazy or not I think it

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was because my hearing was so I mean, I could

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just hear everything that it was, it just became

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a forefront thing. Yeah, I followed it into a

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gentleman's room. It was, it was on TV. It was

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one of those where I, I was, you know, noticed

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that he, he didn't see me. So I, I guess I experimented

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in the, in the ghostly realm or something until

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I even got down in his face and he didn't see

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me. And so it was like, well, I'm done here.

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I popped into the vastness. Yeah. Let's talk

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about this dark place where you were. And I can

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see why some people might think, oh, wow, what

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kind of a place was that if it was dark? Because

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we expect it to be light. Exactly. How confusing.

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But that's OK. That was your experience. And

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the feelings are more important than what people

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see anyway. So would you go into a little bit

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more detail about what you felt? Well, it's funny

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as the afterword comes in and it's like, did

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you see that? Oh, you missed the pinprick of

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light and if you'd have noticed it, it would

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have grown and gotten closer and you would have

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gone into the light and all of those opinions

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and suggestions. For me, as I healed, I tried

00:16:52.690 --> 00:16:57.629
really hard to recreate that dark space. I crawled

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into a corner of my room. This was months after

00:17:01.690 --> 00:17:04.349
when I finally got to go home. It took me a few

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weeks to be able to even get home and put blankets

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over my head and close my eyes real tight. And

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there was no recreating that space. degree of

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darkness. You know, I've been asked, did you

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see your body or did you have a body? I have

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no idea. It was only consciousness. But that

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consciousness was completely me. I was the same

00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.359
Claudia when I died as before I died. So I took

00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.420
everything, every memory, my personality, my

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ironic humor, all of that. was with me in that

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place. That place was a consciousness. It was,

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I searched for earth words to explain something,

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to explain something of absolute perfection and

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intelligence and love. And I mean, I was, I was

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so loved. I was cherished in this place. So who

00:18:10.170 --> 00:18:12.089
wouldn't want, who would want to leave that?

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Yeah, absolutely. You also used a term that I

00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.259
don't know that anybody else has used, and that

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is you felt swaddled. Explain that. It was a

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tangible feeling that I could gather and wrap

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around myself. As that voice was bothering me,

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it was like I could, you know, sink into the

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darkness and wrap it around me and protect me.

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And I try, I physically tried, you know, to get

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away from the voice in doing that. So swaddled

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was just when you're holding this baby and it's,

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you know, been fed and changed and it's warm

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and it's in its blankies and it's been burped

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and then you're just showering love on this baby.

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That's exactly how I felt. I was in absolute

00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.920
perfection. Beautiful description. I love that.

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Thank you. Okay, what kinds of things did you

00:19:10.579 --> 00:19:14.319
learn from this? Oh my goodness. Well, I learned

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first to be careful with my words. As I've heard

00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:20.599
on your program and other programs that, you

00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:24.559
know, people insert an opinion and the kind of

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opinion of you went to the darkness. wasn't one

00:19:28.619 --> 00:19:31.059
that I, it wasn't a handle I wanted to carry.

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You know, it was, I didn't talk about it. I expected

00:19:35.259 --> 00:19:37.960
I would see my dad. That's what I expected as

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I lay there kind of counting down those two minutes.

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Well, I guess I'm going to go see my dad. Well,

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I didn't see anything. I didn't hear anything

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from the other side. It was just all feeling.

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So there was kind of a disappointment. You know,

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I'm glad I didn't die. I'm glad I got to come

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back and raise my family, but to have not seen

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him, there was quite a question. And even within

00:20:02.890 --> 00:20:06.170
my mother who said, did you see dad? And it was

00:20:06.170 --> 00:20:09.910
like, no, I saw only blackness. Well, you know,

00:20:09.990 --> 00:20:13.569
she was very religious and, you know, that wasn't

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a something that she wanted to hear either from

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her child that died and went into blackness.

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So it was something that I hid for a very long

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time. It was about 20 years until I, and I kept

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asking, please, I know there had to be something

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more to my experience because I was getting flashes

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of memory, but they were flashes, nothing that

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I could. grab onto and grow and remember just

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scenes and flashes and light and movement that

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I knew was from the other side. And so I prayed

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a lot. I asked for help in remembering. And it

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took a very long time until I was in a dream.

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This was about 20 years later. Just in a regular

00:21:04.670 --> 00:21:07.329
dream, you know, when you go to sleep and there

00:21:07.329 --> 00:21:10.309
was something, you know, I can only describe

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it as a screen and you're watching the dream

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that you're creating within your mind. But over

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in the corner of that screen was something moving,

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something that didn't belong within the entirety

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of the dream. It was trying to pull my focus.

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Well, as I finally was able to look over, It

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was this kind of a fairy, but it was a man had

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the three days worth of beard and hairy chest.

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He was stuffed into a little tiny fairy with

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a tutu and a wand. I mean, the whole thing. I'm

00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:53.880
looking going, what is going on? He held up a

00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.920
sign that said, pay attention to this. Well,

00:21:57.180 --> 00:22:01.029
yeah, I was paying attention to this. This is

00:22:01.029 --> 00:22:04.309
how he would come into my dreams almost on a

00:22:04.309 --> 00:22:08.349
nightly basis, teaching me how to stay asleep,

00:22:08.670 --> 00:22:12.769
but find my little fairy that would just take

00:22:12.769 --> 00:22:16.750
me out of that dream was teaching me to be lucid

00:22:16.750 --> 00:22:20.049
within in my sleep. So then he would hold up

00:22:20.049 --> 00:22:23.250
these signs, pay attention to this or talk to

00:22:23.250 --> 00:22:27.230
your family. The last one that he held up was

00:22:27.230 --> 00:22:31.420
come with me. and I ended up going with him.

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He took me to a place that I have termed Spirit

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School. I was invited to classes within a spiritual

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realm, a spiritual college with the most patient,

00:22:45.779 --> 00:22:48.559
loving teachers. I was never a great student,

00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:53.049
didn't like school, but this school the learning

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and every step that I took, that I understood

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what they were conveying. I was pulsed with so

00:23:00.809 --> 00:23:04.029
much energy and excitement of every single thing.

00:23:04.490 --> 00:23:09.190
Man, I got it. I got it. And this spirit school

00:23:09.190 --> 00:23:12.650
was something that went on and on for years.

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At least twice a week, I was taken to a place

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and it was clearly marked before I would enter

00:23:20.309 --> 00:23:23.470
the room, you know, like in college where you

00:23:23.470 --> 00:23:27.269
open that hallway and the chairs are going down

00:23:27.269 --> 00:23:30.869
to the professor in the front or whatnot. But

00:23:30.869 --> 00:23:34.230
above the door it would say the name of the class

00:23:34.230 --> 00:23:38.910
and that metaphors are being used here, like

00:23:38.910 --> 00:23:42.410
those classes so that I, as a storyteller, as

00:23:42.410 --> 00:23:47.220
you can tell, can talk talk talk but that a metaphor

00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:51.299
was going to be used to help to aid in my understanding

00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:54.619
of what they were trying to convey and that I

00:23:54.619 --> 00:23:58.299
could turn that into the story or record the

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story in my journals. This went on for a really

00:24:01.339 --> 00:24:04.559
long time. Let me make sure I totally get this.

00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.339
Okay. So this is different than your NDE and

00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:10.200
it also sounds like it's different than just

00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:13.839
a regular dream. What would you call these experiences

00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.039
of going to Spirit School? Do you have a term

00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.200
for it? A really good question because I ask

00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:23.180
that of my fairy turned into my guide. He would

00:24:23.180 --> 00:24:26.680
change costumes as it was time for him to come

00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:31.119
and get me. He'd come in as a Texaco man or Mrs.

00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.980
Doubtfire or just something funny. He would come

00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:39.500
in to keep the mood light. Spirit School was

00:24:39.500 --> 00:24:44.009
taught in a humorous type mood, nothing fire

00:24:44.009 --> 00:24:47.349
and brimstone, and you need to learn this. And

00:24:47.349 --> 00:24:49.650
I've got it off a cliff. I can't remember the

00:24:49.650 --> 00:24:51.869
question that you asked. I wanted to answer.

00:24:52.450 --> 00:24:56.009
Well, I just I'm not quite sure how to classify

00:24:56.009 --> 00:25:00.680
this. It wasn't during an NDE. It wasn't a regular

00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:05.019
dream. What was it? I asked that question myself.

00:25:05.299 --> 00:25:08.079
I said is this from my near -death experience

00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:11.400
as I was getting flashes of memory, right? But

00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.259
I'm in a dream state and I'm being pulled into

00:25:14.259 --> 00:25:18.500
lucidity to be lucid within a dream so my body's

00:25:18.500 --> 00:25:22.680
asleep but my mind was very active and I didn't

00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:26.880
know how to categorize it. either. And I asked,

00:25:27.140 --> 00:25:30.240
I said, is this new or is this happening right

00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:34.220
now? And there was, as there is, it's not making

00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:37.079
fun of, but there was a joyous kind of giggling

00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.759
and went, does it matter? Does it matter if it's

00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.079
new? Does it matter that this is something that's

00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:45.960
been withheld from you until the time is right?

00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.079
I wish I could answer that question. I have no

00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:53.180
category for how I got to that place and why

00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:56.730
I was one that was being taken there, probably

00:25:56.730 --> 00:25:59.569
because I have the gift of gab. And if you're

00:25:59.569 --> 00:26:03.170
someone that studies scripture, there are accounts

00:26:03.170 --> 00:26:07.470
in scripture of people receiving things in dreams.

00:26:07.829 --> 00:26:11.130
We may call them revelations or inspiration,

00:26:11.130 --> 00:26:15.849
but sometimes it happens in dreams. For example,

00:26:16.089 --> 00:26:20.170
Joseph, the father of Jesus, had a dream and

00:26:20.170 --> 00:26:23.170
knew that he needed to take his family away to

00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:26.710
Egypt. So his son would be saved. And there are

00:26:26.710 --> 00:26:30.190
other examples. So I don't want to classify this

00:26:30.190 --> 00:26:33.329
as, oh, you're only having a dream. We all have

00:26:33.329 --> 00:26:36.529
dreams. It sounds to me like it was something

00:26:36.529 --> 00:26:39.869
more than just that. All right. Let's talk about

00:26:39.869 --> 00:26:42.289
some of the principles that you learned in this

00:26:42.289 --> 00:26:45.890
Spirit School. Okay. We went through a series

00:26:45.890 --> 00:26:50.960
of, for one thing, defining Claudia. Why is Claudia

00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.980
here? And one of them, and the stories are presented

00:26:54.980 --> 00:26:58.339
in a very fun, again, joyous way. One of the

00:26:58.339 --> 00:27:01.799
very first lessons I remembered was the check

00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:06.519
-in of Claudia. I was shown, again in metaphor,

00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.500
people in a kind of a carnival type situation,

00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.380
everyday people and their children and whatnot,

00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:17.660
and above their heads was a cluster of balloons,

00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:20.740
colorful, beautiful balloons. And I was looking

00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:24.599
down at this and going, this is beautiful. This

00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.420
is wonderful. These people are, you know, so

00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:30.019
joyful. And it was just such a playful scene.

00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.480
And then there was kind of like, you know, the

00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.779
nudge. Hey, you want to see what your balloons

00:27:34.779 --> 00:27:38.539
look like? Sure. Yeah, I want to see my balloons.

00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:43.519
And I was shown these, you know, lackluster floating

00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:47.079
hanging off the string, only three left of my

00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.420
cluster. One was laying on the ground, one was

00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:51.500
just about there, and one was about the size

00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:55.799
of a shrunken apple. I started to cry. I'd seen

00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.700
these beautiful balloons of other people. Well,

00:27:58.900 --> 00:28:02.319
mine were awful. So as I started to cry, I was

00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:06.319
comforted. Again, this was in a playful, joyful

00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.779
type things, because they're not mean and weren't

00:28:09.779 --> 00:28:13.200
picking on me. But they do things to get the

00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.839
point across so that I could remember them and

00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.559
come when I woke up to record it. But the reason

00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.700
my balloons looked so awful is they said, don't

00:28:22.700 --> 00:28:26.400
cry little one. This is a good thing. When we

00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.460
come into this world, we have come in with all

00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:33.099
kinds of intentions and things that we want to

00:28:33.099 --> 00:28:36.799
do in this life. Lessons is not a great word,

00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.619
but I'll use it because it's expressive, but

00:28:39.619 --> 00:28:44.859
we're here to learn and experience. So I had,

00:28:44.980 --> 00:28:47.980
I was just about complete with my balloons. I

00:28:47.980 --> 00:28:51.539
was just about ready to go home. This is how

00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:55.220
they brought me into showing how they were going

00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:58.519
to teach the metaphors that they would use. Don't

00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.299
get it twisted, sister. This isn't exactly, nobody

00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:03.619
is walking around with balloons on top of their

00:29:03.619 --> 00:29:06.700
head, right? but this is the visual we are going

00:29:06.700 --> 00:29:10.579
to use. So that was one of the first ones. They

00:29:10.579 --> 00:29:14.660
went through and were teaching about dimensions.

00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.980
I was sitting on a stage and knowing that it

00:29:18.980 --> 00:29:21.279
was in school because there was the audience.

00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:24.480
I don't remember any faces or anything, but I

00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.720
knew there were other students there. And for

00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.319
whatever reason, I had volunteered or whatever

00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.640
to sit up on the stage. And there were these

00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:36.480
spheres of I called them bubbles in the beginning

00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.619
that were just rotating around me. There were

00:29:39.619 --> 00:29:44.160
12 of them. I was encouraged to make a face or,

00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:48.059
you know, do something funny. And when that sphere

00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:51.319
came, I don't know, across from my face, it would

00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:55.119
take on me doing that silly thing, poking my

00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:59.059
tongue out or flipping my hair or giving a big

00:29:59.059 --> 00:30:02.039
grin or something. It would be captured within

00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:06.559
that bubble. and then it would go out of rotation

00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.960
and float off. And another bubble would take

00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:13.539
its place, and it just continued to slowly, fair

00:30:13.539 --> 00:30:17.019
as will, rotate. I was just encouraged to keep

00:30:17.019 --> 00:30:20.819
doing that, and it would show me that when we...

00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:23.160
This was another thing that I had to include

00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:27.400
in the book to show the points of how hard they

00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:31.519
tried to... cement an idea like this because

00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.880
I would have four or five to 10 classes in a

00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.279
different way to go over the dimensions and how

00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:43.660
many there are and the fact that when we are

00:30:43.660 --> 00:30:47.960
at a crossroads in this life. say divorce, that

00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.720
there's a part of you that will continue on in

00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.900
that marriage and the other one that will go

00:30:53.900 --> 00:30:57.900
off to experience different things. Those are

00:30:57.900 --> 00:31:01.559
included in our life review, not as a centerpiece

00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.799
of the life review, but those are shown, those

00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.099
different choices. Okay, let's do this. I have

00:31:09.099 --> 00:31:11.900
sort of a cheat sheet here of a list of some

00:31:11.900 --> 00:31:14.380
of the topics that you learned about, and I want

00:31:14.380 --> 00:31:17.019
to do kind of a lightning round, where I'm going

00:31:17.019 --> 00:31:19.900
to throw out a topic and you tell me one or two

00:31:19.900 --> 00:31:22.380
primary points that you learned about this topic.

00:31:22.779 --> 00:31:26.400
Okay, ready? Here we go. Free will. Free will

00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.920
is our greatest gift from God. It's our greatest

00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.829
gift. Spirit guides. Spirit guides, we all have

00:31:33.829 --> 00:31:37.609
at least one. Some have many more. I got to know

00:31:37.609 --> 00:31:41.410
mine very well through my lucid lucid dreaming.

00:31:42.849 --> 00:31:45.309
Extraterrestrial life. Oh my goodness, he jumped

00:31:45.309 --> 00:31:48.569
into the deep end of the pool. Did I ever? I'm

00:31:48.569 --> 00:31:52.369
going into the woo woo section. E .T. Yes, the

00:31:52.369 --> 00:31:56.329
woo section is in my book. It's something I never

00:31:56.329 --> 00:31:59.859
talked about. But I have had some experiences.

00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:02.339
My husband hasn't read my book yet, so he doesn't

00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:05.720
even know this. Well, hopefully he won't listen

00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.079
to this podcast. Yeah, yeah, because it's back

00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.859
to that fear of what will people think? And I've

00:32:12.859 --> 00:32:15.059
written other books, but I didn't include this

00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:19.079
because the spiritual message to me was the most

00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.759
important. But what kept coming through is The

00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.519
alien is spiritual, too. There are brothers and

00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:30.000
sisters. It's important to share. It's important

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.980
right now to not fear, not enter that because

00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:37.900
there's going to be a lot of red flags and silly

00:32:37.900 --> 00:32:40.720
things coming across. And though there were going

00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.140
to be invaded and all that, they are sorry. It

00:32:44.140 --> 00:32:48.079
makes me want to cry because they were so kind.

00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.359
The things that they showed me were amazing.

00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:56.319
And I have nothing but love for those that I've

00:32:56.319 --> 00:33:00.420
been gifted to meet. So ETs are real and we don't

00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:04.619
need to be afraid. Don't be afraid, yeah. Afterlife

00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:08.880
communication. Oh I love it. Does that mean communicating

00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.920
with people who have already died? Yes. Okay,

00:33:12.019 --> 00:33:15.089
tell me about that. Well, it started with my

00:33:15.089 --> 00:33:18.430
youngest sister. She died of a brain aneurysm

00:33:18.430 --> 00:33:21.750
at 56. One minute she's here and the next she's

00:33:21.750 --> 00:33:26.430
not. I had an expectation that my little sister

00:33:26.430 --> 00:33:29.210
would talk to me. You know, it's like, why wouldn't

00:33:29.210 --> 00:33:32.650
she look for a way to say goodbye to her family?

00:33:32.990 --> 00:33:36.289
Let us know she was okay because it was so instantaneous.

00:33:36.710 --> 00:33:39.210
And knowing my sister, it was like, she's going

00:33:39.210 --> 00:33:42.440
to... search every nook and cranny to be able

00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.119
to send a message. And I expected to get one.

00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:51.519
As I started, it was not audible. out here, but

00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:56.559
it's an internal hearing. And, I'll add, those

00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.960
type of experiences really happen when you're

00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:02.359
doing something so nonchalant, like folding the

00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.099
laundry, doing the dishes, and your mind is free.

00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.360
You're not focused on a task, it's just free.

00:34:08.860 --> 00:34:11.940
Believe when you hear something and go, huh?

00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:15.679
Did I just hear? Acknowledge. Say that again,

00:34:15.820 --> 00:34:18.460
or... I was blow drying my hair, I was visiting

00:34:18.460 --> 00:34:21.360
my mom and it was hot in there so the bathroom

00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.000
door was open and the hallway had pictures, a

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.159
memorial basically to my little sister. And I

00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.400
was looking at the pictures and I was thinking,

00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.980
you know, I said, oh, okay, you're so beautiful.

00:34:33.460 --> 00:34:39.079
I heard her say, I'm prettier now in this joyful.

00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.840
And it surprised me and yet it didn't because

00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.920
I had been waiting for it. And when I tried to

00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.199
share that with my mother, finished up with my

00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.599
hair and said, I just heard from Kay Lynn. The

00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.199
reaction was, where are you getting this? That

00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.340
same opposition that can hold us back. But if

00:34:58.340 --> 00:35:02.500
we... Enjoy what we're getting and acknowledge

00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:05.039
what we're getting. We'll get more of it. Kind

00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.119
of like if someone keeps dialing the phone and

00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:11.139
it keeps going to voicemail and you can never

00:35:11.139 --> 00:35:13.059
talk to your friend because they never answer

00:35:13.059 --> 00:35:16.699
the phone. Well, you kind of stop dialing because

00:35:16.699 --> 00:35:19.619
they never answer, right? He's kind of... stop

00:35:19.619 --> 00:35:22.699
calling them. And this I have found in through

00:35:22.699 --> 00:35:25.820
research and other people's experiences that

00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:28.800
when, you know, someone isn't listening, is it

00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.739
ready to listen, isn't in a place, their grief

00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:35.320
is so strong that they're blocking out that communication.

00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.380
But if you expect it and want it, they're happy

00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:42.699
to talk to you. And my little sister and my mother

00:35:42.699 --> 00:35:46.199
were two of my greatest teachers in afterlife

00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.739
communication. How do you recognize it and know

00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:51.960
that it's not just your own thoughts in your

00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.019
own head? Well, my little sister is really good

00:35:55.019 --> 00:35:58.420
at throwing out a term, a word, or something

00:35:58.420 --> 00:36:02.340
that I'm not entirely familiar with that I'll

00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:05.340
end up having to go to a Google, well, I was

00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:07.480
going to say dictionary, but nobody uses those

00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.800
anymore. I googled, you know, and says, oh, that's

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.639
what she meant. And it tied in with whatever.

00:36:14.059 --> 00:36:17.840
I mean, as I was accepting Hearing from her,

00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:22.019
I got all kinds of information from her, but

00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:25.579
she'd always throw in some weird little word

00:36:25.579 --> 00:36:28.880
or something, evidence, to prove it was real.

00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.260
And you can tell those aren't your words. It's

00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:36.440
a different vocabulary or choice of a word or

00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.900
a way to say it. Even an inflection on it, isn't

00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:43.119
it? Exactly. Just a couple more before we wrap

00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.460
up. Some people with some religious backgrounds

00:36:46.460 --> 00:36:48.159
are gonna have a little bit of a hard time with

00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:52.500
these. It's okay pre -life planning. Oh Yes,

00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.039
yes, I was gifted. This is a little bit of a

00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.380
story So hang on but I have five children here

00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:04.039
I was in the hallway before entering the course

00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.800
that was choosing a body This is a big concept

00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.050
here. So I was with And you haven't asked this

00:37:11.050 --> 00:37:13.369
question yet, but I was with a member of my soul

00:37:13.369 --> 00:37:17.110
group. Soul groups are about 12 individuals who

00:37:17.110 --> 00:37:20.750
are in a pretty even playing field because we

00:37:20.750 --> 00:37:23.670
help each other through our studies and lessons

00:37:23.670 --> 00:37:27.690
and experiences. And we grow kind of like a group

00:37:27.690 --> 00:37:30.289
in school. You know, these are your classmates.

00:37:30.489 --> 00:37:33.289
These are your closest friends, your closest.

00:37:33.630 --> 00:37:36.349
And so I'm standing there with one of the members

00:37:36.349 --> 00:37:39.789
of my soul group. on absolutely equal footing

00:37:39.789 --> 00:37:43.510
who had been slated to become my son in this

00:37:43.510 --> 00:37:46.510
in this life and I was gifted to be able to go

00:37:46.510 --> 00:37:50.210
into the room of choices with him to choose his

00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:53.969
body because as his mother there had to be an

00:37:53.969 --> 00:37:57.489
agreement of who the father could could we get

00:37:57.489 --> 00:38:01.269
together and and make a DNA soup so that he would

00:38:01.269 --> 00:38:04.840
be able to earn earn that body have that body

00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:09.559
so it was a it was quite an interesting class

00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:13.480
sorry i'm stumbling here because there are several

00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.519
different lessons to kind of cement that that

00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.539
experience but yeah we do get to choose we choose

00:38:21.539 --> 00:38:24.559
our adversities when we think that it's like

00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.280
life is just too hard well We picked it. We picked

00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.599
it for a reason. There can always be an easing

00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.320
off. There's a great, have you heard of Buddha

00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.920
Betty? She has a podcast, and she picked a very

00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:43.239
hard life. She was a prostitute and drug addict.

00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:47.960
Is that Betty Guandano? Yes, yes. Yeah, she's

00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.619
been on the show. She's awesome. I loved her

00:38:50.619 --> 00:38:54.449
ex - explanation of making those choices of adversity

00:38:54.449 --> 00:38:57.090
because she said, I felt like I had the shopping

00:38:57.090 --> 00:38:59.989
cart and I was on one of those shows where you've

00:38:59.989 --> 00:39:02.650
got a minute and a half to pick as put as many

00:39:02.650 --> 00:39:05.809
in your shopping cart as you can get. And I went

00:39:05.809 --> 00:39:09.369
that's some of us go to town and then we get

00:39:09.369 --> 00:39:12.519
here because On the other side, we're all -knowing,

00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.719
all -powerful, we're magnificent on the other

00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.460
side, but we go through this veil of forgetfulness,

00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:23.400
of separation, and then we're here in our thoughts

00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.579
of being all alone, and now we're facing all

00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:29.139
of these horrible things that we chose, and it's

00:39:29.139 --> 00:39:33.300
like, why would I choose this? I got to witness

00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:37.800
him making those choices. We all ask ourselves

00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.980
those questions. And sometimes I think, OK, assuming

00:39:42.980 --> 00:39:45.719
that really happened, but I really went through

00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.719
this grocery store kind of place and chose these

00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:51.360
really tough things that were going to happen

00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.139
to me in life because of what I was going to

00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:56.800
learn from them and everything I was going to

00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:00.460
get from those experiences. In spite of that.

00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.320
Did I really know how tough it was going to be?

00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.260
I kind of don't think so. I think we were a little

00:40:06.260 --> 00:40:09.940
bit ignorant to just how hard some of those things

00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:12.420
were going to be. I mean, can you imagine holding

00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:15.340
your... I'll be somebody who will starve to death.

00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.440
I'm going to go to that third world country and

00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:22.420
experience that I can't even imagine. But until

00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:25.909
we know, I mean... You know the adversities and

00:40:25.909 --> 00:40:30.429
that are kind of the spice of life, too You know

00:40:30.429 --> 00:40:33.369
we go we get to go back and talk about it and

00:40:33.369 --> 00:40:36.630
share that Experience and try to explain as I'm

00:40:36.630 --> 00:40:39.010
trying to explain the darkness some people are

00:40:39.010 --> 00:40:42.989
trying to explain the pain or whatnot of Starving

00:40:42.989 --> 00:40:46.150
to death. All right, you have a whole bunch more.

00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:48.929
I can't wait to read all about them the last

00:40:48.929 --> 00:40:52.389
very last one I'm gonna ask you about Jesus.

00:40:52.489 --> 00:40:55.829
What did you learn about Jesus? That's another

00:40:55.829 --> 00:40:59.610
one that I wrestled with with talking about because

00:40:59.610 --> 00:41:03.530
I worried about what impression it might leave

00:41:03.530 --> 00:41:06.750
people with. I'm special enough I talk to Jesus

00:41:06.750 --> 00:41:09.469
kind of thing. Well it's also gonna polarize

00:41:09.469 --> 00:41:13.349
people for and against you so congratulations

00:41:13.349 --> 00:41:16.429
on being brave enough. Yeah. Okay go ahead with

00:41:16.429 --> 00:41:19.289
what you were saying. But the experiences, and

00:41:19.289 --> 00:41:23.090
it's only been a few, three times, cherished

00:41:23.090 --> 00:41:30.250
experiences, but he's our big brother. He doesn't

00:41:30.250 --> 00:41:33.469
want to be worshipped. In fact, a story in my

00:41:33.469 --> 00:41:38.690
book of how I thought if and when I ever met

00:41:38.690 --> 00:41:41.429
Jesus on the other side, wasn't expecting to

00:41:41.429 --> 00:41:44.469
hear, that I would kneel and touch the hem of

00:41:44.469 --> 00:41:47.760
his garment. That was something that was taught

00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:53.239
as far as respect and love for Jesus, the man,

00:41:53.300 --> 00:41:56.119
the man that hangs on the wall at church. But

00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:01.300
he's our brother. He's my big brother that I

00:42:01.300 --> 00:42:06.840
can climb into his lap and feel the big brother.

00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:11.639
Playfulness and love and watchfulness over me

00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.900
as I play. He doesn't want to be worshipped.

00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:18.320
He asked me to stand. He did not want me to worship

00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:22.500
him. He asked me to stand and walk with him as

00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:26.639
a fellow teacher and a friend. So this is how

00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:30.960
I treat Jesus now. I don't worship him. I know

00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.500
that I know him. I know him with my heart and

00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:38.880
my soul. He's very real, but he's not the one

00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:42.980
of the words that bother me is lord over us type

00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:47.539
thing. He's our loving, loving big brother and

00:42:47.539 --> 00:42:51.559
he loves every one of us. So yeah, I cry every

00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.820
time. I can't help it. That's what I was left

00:42:54.820 --> 00:42:58.659
with is the intensity of that love, that feeling.

00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:04.099
My earth body can't handle that much of that

00:43:04.099 --> 00:43:07.750
feeling. that I got from Jesus. Claudia, thank

00:43:07.750 --> 00:43:09.789
you so much for sharing all this with us today.

00:43:10.289 --> 00:43:13.389
Thank you for having me. It's been a fun conversation.

00:43:15.110 --> 00:43:17.750
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