Claudia's NDE Followed Death In Childbirth

0:03 From the time that they pronounced me that was a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I could see people screaming and crying But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else The only thing that I could feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back home again incredibly safe and felt at home Welcome welcome to round trip death everybody and i'd like to welcome our really special guest today claudia edge who's coming to us from the salt lake city area how are you today claudia i'm good i'm really excited about the opportunity to share and be on your program thanks for the invite Well, I've had a couple of people refer you to me, and so I can't wait to hear your story, too. I only know a little bit about it. And I think the title of your book that just barely came out. Thank you for inviting me to the party, by the way, looks really, really fascinating.

1:16 So after we talk about your NDE, we're going to talk about all these things that are learned through, quote, spirit school. So we'll get to all that. plug. Shameless plug of the plug. And there'll be a link in the show notes if anybody wants to have a look at it. Before we jump in, tell us just a little bit about you. Who's Claudia? Who is Claudia? Well, I'm married with five children. I've got 10 grandchildren. I lost my dad when I was 16. So I have spent a lot of my life looking for Where is he? What is he doing? You know, I wanted I've really been an explorer of the death realm. Basically, I've been a hospice volunteer, an elder caregiver. When I was very young, I experienced a lot of my mother came from nine siblings and she was the youngest. So I went to a lot of funerals before I was even five, six, seven years old. And so death doesn't frighten me, I'm inquisitive about it. When I lost my dad, that was in 1969, I searched for reference materials and whatever I could find, and then Dr. Raymond Moody's work began to come out. So

2:46 I'm going into my story, so I'll pause for a second. Okay. You warned me I was going to have a hard time getting word in edgewise today. And that is perfectly fine. The show is about the guests, not about me. I just want to kind of clarify something in case we have some new listeners here today. Even though the word death is in the title of this show, this show is not about death. This show is about life and about hope that there is something beyond death. So that's hopefully something that we learn and are reminded of all the time. All right, let's talk about your story, your NDE. Take us back quite a few years. This is a terrifying thing. You were pregnant with child number what? Five, my last baby. What happened? Well, I was feeling quite lightheaded and I was waiting for my husband to get home from work to go to the hospital just to be checked out. Because I wasn't in active labor, you know, they encouraged me to wait it out or walk around the hospital and check back. But intuition is a very powerful entity. When you get these whisperings, it's like, go back to the desk, go back and insist on being seen. And I did, and it wasn't just a couple of minutes later, that what happened

4:18 was my placenta, that's an organ between mother and child and within the womb that regulates everything, it was accepting the flow of blood in, but it was not, for whatever reason, it was not exiting. so it came to a point where it could hold no more and in front of the the nurses that were dismissing my symptoms kind of went oh my goodness because it was an explosion of blood so the situation was very dire I was bleeding out very quickly They had called my doctor and said, Claudia is here, but don't worry about it. She's not in active labor or anything like that. Roll over, go back to sleep kind of thing.

5:05 So there was really, and it was about 1030 at night. And so there wasn't a whole lot of activity happening on that floor of the hospital. So it took a bit to get an intern from another area to run in who had never assisted in childbirth, let alone an emergency seat. section, but he came in and said, this woman's got like two minutes left to live. And they were trying to find a heartbeat on my child and could not. And in hearing that death was imminent, I said, please save my baby, focus on saving the baby, which meant I okayed being held down, arms, legs. no anesthesia, no comfort at all. This was surgery in the raw and they were grabbing, even the lady that was trying to mop so that the doctors could get close enough to me to perform the miracles that they were about to perform were all holding onto me.

6:11 And it was quite an exchange of a life for a life in my mind. The pain was I can't even, I can't find words to describe the pain. And so I was trying my best to hold my own self still and accept that what I was doing was saving my baby's life. So it was quite a juxtaposition of thought there of I want to jump off this table running and screaming from the pain. and the other as a mother's love, wanting to save her child. So that was quite a little argument in my own head at the time too. But I did, I noticed that the room was getting, the walls of the room had popped off. The roof popped off and the walls were kind of becoming fluid and coming into me.

7:06 And I, after so much... study of a near -death experience, I went, oh, I know what this is. This is gonna form a tunnel. There was a lot of, it's amazing, the human mind, how we can go from one subject to the other all at the same time. But I noticed that I was kind of going blind. I couldn't see very well. I knew that this was the end and my hearing became very acute. I could hear even out in the parking lot. car doors slamming individual conversations throughout the hospital if I just focused. So I was entering into I guess that in between where our senses are heightened and whatnot. When I saw them pull a lifeless little body from me, sorry that one's always hard to say, I'd had enough. There had always been this kind of tugging at the back of my head and I relaxed into that and popped out of the top of my head and witnessed the actions of trying to save me. I just, I had lost interest, you know? I wanted to explore this feeling of perfection and not feeling pain. I wandered through the hospital. I wandered through the first wall, saw my husband sitting on a chair filling out the hospital paperwork. He had his driver's license

8:38 out. I had this wave of, oh my goodness, life is going to be so hard. I still have four little ones at home. But there was a feeling of it's all going to be okay. It was like I was being released from that earthly worry. that I was free to just, I floated about the hospital. Lots of details that I don't want to fixate on, but spent some time there. And then I went to a, I was following some music. It happened to be MASH, the television program MASH, would run nightly at 10 .30 after the news. So I even had a thought of, oh my goodness, it's 10 .30. And I'm dead. I know exactly what time I died kind of thing. So I kept my comical personality, I guess, of just noticing those type of details.

9:35 But it was the realization that, yes, I really was dead. And once that kind of seeped in, I found myself in this amazing place. I was no longer in the hospital. I was in a place of perfection of, oh, the entirety of it was beyond, it was infinity. And it was complete black. I couldn't see anything. Everything in this place of perfection was feeling. I was, I was loved. I was swaddled and cuddled and it knew this intelligence of this vastness people have tried to tell me it was the void and I'm like it wasn't void of anything it was absolute perfection and it was enormous so vastness works for me better than void I was so happy to be there I could have stayed there forever but a voice chimed in and it was one of the nurses that was calling me by name and telling me, you've got a baby girl. You need to come back to us. I was poopooing at going, I saw my baby girl. I know that she was not with us. I saw that limp little body. No amount of encouraging me to come back was working. And

11:07 it was so irritating to be in this beautiful place and then have this scratchy voice coming into my ear and messing up the perfection there. And so I looked for, well, I kept thinking, just leave me alone, I'm fine. But it wasn't coming through, she was still talking to me. And so I looked for a way to use my voice. And in that thinking of being human again and looking for a voice, I was back in my body. So I'll tell you now that my little baby girl did live. She's perfect. Two miracles that night because they brought me back as well. But it was really confusing because I had never read about an experience that was in complete darkness. If anyone else had had an experience like that, they weren't talking about it because I found that the couple of times that I did, The reaction was more negative than, Oh my goodness, tell me more. It was kind of like, you know, you were in blackness and the connotation seemed to be a negative. Like, did I go to someplace bad? Well, again, that mind arguing with itself, because it's like, that was not a place that was where bad people go or whatever. That was amazing and I could have stayed there forever and been completely

12:38 in joy. So I didn't talk about it. Let's jump into a few details. Okay. First of all you were expecting to see some kind of a tunnel. Were you surprised that you didn't? You know I've thought about it and as it because I knew that it was coming because the walls were forming one and I don't know if I beat it by popping out of my head early. You know, it's one of those, I don't remember being in a tunnel because I was immediately able to go through walls in the hospital. So I might have missed the boat in the tunnel. Well, and that's actually more typical than you probably realize. The tunnel is this kind of cliche thing, and some people go through this tunnel toward the light. It's not even that common, frankly. So many people have an experience more like yours, where they either go up through the roof, you know, of the hospital, or you kind of wandered around a little bit to see what was going on. Anyone that's not very familiar with this kind of a medical situation, I've had a couple of people, other people on the show that have been through something not, I will never say the same, but something kind of similar.

13:54 And basically you lose all of the blood in your body. Most women don't come back from it. So that's amazing that an intern was able to do what needed to be done and a nurse that was intuitive enough to call to you to bring you back. What kind of feelings did you have for that nurse after and did you have a chance to have a conversation with her? You know, I didn't with the nurse. And honestly, as you just said that, I thought, because I, I wrote a letter of thank you to this intern because he walked into the room with a kind of a folder of information of how to deliver a C -section because this had been his first.

14:41 He seemed very, very young. So I thanked him and, and I turned. In the midst of all of it, I turned myself over to him and just said, in my mind, just said, he's either gonna help or hurt or whatever, but there's nothing I can do, and I turned everything over to him. So I did write him a nice letter of thanks for everything that he did, but I'm sorry now that I didn't think of the nurse, because she was really... instigator and bringing me back yeah she played a role in it so ironic that you heard the mash music because how similar is mash to that kind of a situation is that crazy or not I think it was because my hearing was so I mean, I could just hear everything that it was, it just became a forefront thing. Yeah, I followed it into a gentleman's room. It was, it was on TV. It was one of those where I, I was, you know, noticed that he, he didn't see me. So I, I guess I experimented in the, in the ghostly realm or something until I even got down in his face and he didn't see me. And so it was like, well, I'm done here.

16:00 I popped into the vastness. Yeah. Let's talk about this dark place where you were. And I can see why some people might think, oh, wow, what kind of a place was that if it was dark? Because we expect it to be light. Exactly. How confusing. But that's OK. That was your experience. And the feelings are more important than what people see anyway. So would you go into a little bit more detail about what you felt? Well, it's funny as the afterword comes in and it's like, did you see that? Oh, you missed the pinprick of light and if you'd have noticed it, it would have grown and gotten closer and you would have gone into the light and all of those opinions and suggestions. For me, as I healed, I tried really hard to recreate that dark space. I crawled into a corner of my room. This was months after when I finally got to go home. It took me a few weeks to be able to even get home and put blankets over my head and close my eyes real tight. And there was no recreating that space. degree of darkness. You know, I've been asked, did you see your body or did you have a body? I have no idea. It was only consciousness. But that consciousness was completely me. I was the same

17:33 Claudia when I died as before I died. So I took everything, every memory, my personality, my ironic humor, all of that. was with me in that place. That place was a consciousness. It was, I searched for earth words to explain something, to explain something of absolute perfection and intelligence and love. And I mean, I was, I was so loved. I was cherished in this place. So who wouldn't want, who would want to leave that? Yeah, absolutely. You also used a term that I don't know that anybody else has used, and that is you felt swaddled. Explain that. It was a tangible feeling that I could gather and wrap around myself. As that voice was bothering me, it was like I could, you know, sink into the darkness and wrap it around me and protect me.

18:40 And I try, I physically tried, you know, to get away from the voice in doing that. So swaddled was just when you're holding this baby and it's, you know, been fed and changed and it's warm and it's in its blankies and it's been burped and then you're just showering love on this baby. That's exactly how I felt. I was in absolute perfection. Beautiful description. I love that. Thank you. Okay, what kinds of things did you learn from this? Oh my goodness. Well, I learned first to be careful with my words. As I've heard on your program and other programs that, you know, people insert an opinion and the kind of opinion of you went to the darkness. wasn't one that I, it wasn't a handle I wanted to carry.

19:31 You know, it was, I didn't talk about it. I expected I would see my dad. That's what I expected as I lay there kind of counting down those two minutes. Well, I guess I'm going to go see my dad. Well, I didn't see anything. I didn't hear anything from the other side. It was just all feeling. So there was kind of a disappointment. You know, I'm glad I didn't die. I'm glad I got to come back and raise my family, but to have not seen him, there was quite a question. And even within my mother who said, did you see dad? And it was like, no, I saw only blackness. Well, you know, she was very religious and, you know, that wasn't a something that she wanted to hear either from her child that died and went into blackness.

20:19 So it was something that I hid for a very long time. It was about 20 years until I, and I kept asking, please, I know there had to be something more to my experience because I was getting flashes of memory, but they were flashes, nothing that I could. grab onto and grow and remember just scenes and flashes and light and movement that I knew was from the other side. And so I prayed a lot. I asked for help in remembering. And it took a very long time until I was in a dream.

21:01 This was about 20 years later. Just in a regular dream, you know, when you go to sleep and there was something, you know, I can only describe it as a screen and you're watching the dream that you're creating within your mind. But over in the corner of that screen was something moving, something that didn't belong within the entirety of the dream. It was trying to pull my focus. Well, as I finally was able to look over, It was this kind of a fairy, but it was a man had the three days worth of beard and hairy chest.

21:43 He was stuffed into a little tiny fairy with a tutu and a wand. I mean, the whole thing. I'm looking going, what is going on? He held up a sign that said, pay attention to this. Well, yeah, I was paying attention to this. This is how he would come into my dreams almost on a nightly basis, teaching me how to stay asleep, but find my little fairy that would just take me out of that dream was teaching me to be lucid within in my sleep. So then he would hold up these signs, pay attention to this or talk to your family. The last one that he held up was come with me. and I ended up going with him.

22:31 He took me to a place that I have termed Spirit School. I was invited to classes within a spiritual realm, a spiritual college with the most patient, loving teachers. I was never a great student, didn't like school, but this school the learning and every step that I took, that I understood what they were conveying. I was pulsed with so much energy and excitement of every single thing. Man, I got it. I got it. And this spirit school was something that went on and on for years.

23:12 At least twice a week, I was taken to a place and it was clearly marked before I would enter the room, you know, like in college where you open that hallway and the chairs are going down to the professor in the front or whatnot. But above the door it would say the name of the class and that metaphors are being used here, like those classes so that I, as a storyteller, as you can tell, can talk talk talk but that a metaphor was going to be used to help to aid in my understanding of what they were trying to convey and that I could turn that into the story or record the story in my journals. This went on for a really long time. Let me make sure I totally get this.

24:04 Okay. So this is different than your NDE and it also sounds like it's different than just a regular dream. What would you call these experiences of going to Spirit School? Do you have a term for it? A really good question because I ask that of my fairy turned into my guide. He would change costumes as it was time for him to come and get me. He'd come in as a Texaco man or Mrs. Doubtfire or just something funny. He would come in to keep the mood light. Spirit School was taught in a humorous type mood, nothing fire and brimstone, and you need to learn this. And I've got it off a cliff. I can't remember the question that you asked. I wanted to answer.

24:52 Well, I just I'm not quite sure how to classify this. It wasn't during an NDE. It wasn't a regular dream. What was it? I asked that question myself. I said is this from my near -death experience as I was getting flashes of memory, right? But I'm in a dream state and I'm being pulled into lucidity to be lucid within a dream so my body's asleep but my mind was very active and I didn't know how to categorize it. either. And I asked, I said, is this new or is this happening right now? And there was, as there is, it's not making fun of, but there was a joyous kind of giggling and went, does it matter? Does it matter if it's new? Does it matter that this is something that's been withheld from you until the time is right?

25:46 I wish I could answer that question. I have no category for how I got to that place and why I was one that was being taken there, probably because I have the gift of gab. And if you're someone that studies scripture, there are accounts in scripture of people receiving things in dreams. We may call them revelations or inspiration, but sometimes it happens in dreams. For example, Joseph, the father of Jesus, had a dream and knew that he needed to take his family away to Egypt. So his son would be saved. And there are other examples. So I don't want to classify this as, oh, you're only having a dream. We all have dreams. It sounds to me like it was something more than just that. All right. Let's talk about some of the principles that you learned in this Spirit School. Okay. We went through a series of, for one thing, defining Claudia. Why is Claudia here? And one of them, and the stories are presented in a very fun, again, joyous way. One of the very first lessons I remembered was the check -in of Claudia. I was shown, again in metaphor, people in a kind of a carnival type situation, everyday people and their children and whatnot, and above their heads was a cluster of balloons,

27:18 colorful, beautiful balloons. And I was looking down at this and going, this is beautiful. This is wonderful. These people are, you know, so joyful. And it was just such a playful scene. And then there was kind of like, you know, the nudge. Hey, you want to see what your balloons look like? Sure. Yeah, I want to see my balloons. And I was shown these, you know, lackluster floating hanging off the string, only three left of my cluster. One was laying on the ground, one was just about there, and one was about the size of a shrunken apple. I started to cry. I'd seen these beautiful balloons of other people. Well, mine were awful. So as I started to cry, I was comforted. Again, this was in a playful, joyful type things, because they're not mean and weren't picking on me. But they do things to get the point across so that I could remember them and come when I woke up to record it. But the reason my balloons looked so awful is they said, don't cry little one. This is a good thing. When we come into this world, we have come in with all kinds of intentions and things that we want to do in this life. Lessons is not a great word, but I'll use it because it's expressive, but we're here to learn and experience. So I had, I was just about complete with my balloons. I was just about ready to go home. This is how

28:51 they brought me into showing how they were going to teach the metaphors that they would use. Don't get it twisted, sister. This isn't exactly, nobody is walking around with balloons on top of their head, right? but this is the visual we are going to use. So that was one of the first ones. They went through and were teaching about dimensions. I was sitting on a stage and knowing that it was in school because there was the audience. I don't remember any faces or anything, but I knew there were other students there. And for whatever reason, I had volunteered or whatever to sit up on the stage. And there were these spheres of I called them bubbles in the beginning that were just rotating around me. There were 12 of them. I was encouraged to make a face or, you know, do something funny. And when that sphere came, I don't know, across from my face, it would take on me doing that silly thing, poking my tongue out or flipping my hair or giving a big grin or something. It would be captured within that bubble. and then it would go out of rotation and float off. And another bubble would take its place, and it just continued to slowly, fair as will, rotate. I was just encouraged to keep doing that, and it would show me that when we...

30:20 This was another thing that I had to include in the book to show the points of how hard they tried to... cement an idea like this because I would have four or five to 10 classes in a different way to go over the dimensions and how many there are and the fact that when we are at a crossroads in this life. say divorce, that there's a part of you that will continue on in that marriage and the other one that will go off to experience different things. Those are included in our life review, not as a centerpiece of the life review, but those are shown, those different choices. Okay, let's do this. I have sort of a cheat sheet here of a list of some of the topics that you learned about, and I want to do kind of a lightning round, where I'm going to throw out a topic and you tell me one or two primary points that you learned about this topic.

31:22 Okay, ready? Here we go. Free will. Free will is our greatest gift from God. It's our greatest gift. Spirit guides. Spirit guides, we all have at least one. Some have many more. I got to know mine very well through my lucid lucid dreaming. Extraterrestrial life. Oh my goodness, he jumped into the deep end of the pool. Did I ever? I'm going into the woo woo section. E .T. Yes, the woo section is in my book. It's something I never talked about. But I have had some experiences. My husband hasn't read my book yet, so he doesn't even know this. Well, hopefully he won't listen to this podcast. Yeah, yeah, because it's back to that fear of what will people think? And I've written other books, but I didn't include this because the spiritual message to me was the most important. But what kept coming through is The alien is spiritual, too. There are brothers and sisters. It's important to share. It's important right now to not fear, not enter that because there's going to be a lot of red flags and silly things coming across. And though there were going to be invaded and all that, they are sorry. It makes me want to cry because they were so kind.

32:48 The things that they showed me were amazing. And I have nothing but love for those that I've been gifted to meet. So ETs are real and we don't need to be afraid. Don't be afraid, yeah. Afterlife communication. Oh I love it. Does that mean communicating with people who have already died? Yes. Okay, tell me about that. Well, it started with my youngest sister. She died of a brain aneurysm at 56. One minute she's here and the next she's not. I had an expectation that my little sister would talk to me. You know, it's like, why wouldn't she look for a way to say goodbye to her family?

33:32 Let us know she was okay because it was so instantaneous. And knowing my sister, it was like, she's going to... search every nook and cranny to be able to send a message. And I expected to get one. As I started, it was not audible. out here, but it's an internal hearing. And, I'll add, those type of experiences really happen when you're doing something so nonchalant, like folding the laundry, doing the dishes, and your mind is free. You're not focused on a task, it's just free. Believe when you hear something and go, huh? Did I just hear? Acknowledge. Say that again, or... I was blow drying my hair, I was visiting my mom and it was hot in there so the bathroom door was open and the hallway had pictures, a memorial basically to my little sister. And I was looking at the pictures and I was thinking, you know, I said, oh, okay, you're so beautiful.

34:33 I heard her say, I'm prettier now in this joyful. And it surprised me and yet it didn't because I had been waiting for it. And when I tried to share that with my mother, finished up with my hair and said, I just heard from Kay Lynn. The reaction was, where are you getting this? That same opposition that can hold us back. But if we... Enjoy what we're getting and acknowledge what we're getting. We'll get more of it. Kind of like if someone keeps dialing the phone and it keeps going to voicemail and you can never talk to your friend because they never answer the phone. Well, you kind of stop dialing because they never answer, right? He's kind of... stop calling them. And this I have found in through research and other people's experiences that when, you know, someone isn't listening, is it ready to listen, isn't in a place, their grief is so strong that they're blocking out that communication.

35:35 But if you expect it and want it, they're happy to talk to you. And my little sister and my mother were two of my greatest teachers in afterlife communication. How do you recognize it and know that it's not just your own thoughts in your own head? Well, my little sister is really good at throwing out a term, a word, or something that I'm not entirely familiar with that I'll end up having to go to a Google, well, I was going to say dictionary, but nobody uses those anymore. I googled, you know, and says, oh, that's what she meant. And it tied in with whatever. I mean, as I was accepting Hearing from her, I got all kinds of information from her, but she'd always throw in some weird little word or something, evidence, to prove it was real.

36:29 And you can tell those aren't your words. It's a different vocabulary or choice of a word or a way to say it. Even an inflection on it, isn't it? Exactly. Just a couple more before we wrap up. Some people with some religious backgrounds are gonna have a little bit of a hard time with these. It's okay pre -life planning. Oh Yes, yes, I was gifted. This is a little bit of a story So hang on but I have five children here I was in the hallway before entering the course that was choosing a body This is a big concept here. So I was with And you haven't asked this question yet, but I was with a member of my soul group. Soul groups are about 12 individuals who are in a pretty even playing field because we help each other through our studies and lessons and experiences. And we grow kind of like a group in school. You know, these are your classmates.

37:30 These are your closest friends, your closest. And so I'm standing there with one of the members of my soul group. on absolutely equal footing who had been slated to become my son in this in this life and I was gifted to be able to go into the room of choices with him to choose his body because as his mother there had to be an agreement of who the father could could we get together and and make a DNA soup so that he would be able to earn earn that body have that body so it was a it was quite an interesting class sorry i'm stumbling here because there are several different lessons to kind of cement that that experience but yeah we do get to choose we choose our adversities when we think that it's like life is just too hard well We picked it. We picked it for a reason. There can always be an easing off. There's a great, have you heard of Buddha Betty? She has a podcast, and she picked a very hard life. She was a prostitute and drug addict.

38:43 Is that Betty Guandano? Yes, yes. Yeah, she's been on the show. She's awesome. I loved her ex - explanation of making those choices of adversity because she said, I felt like I had the shopping cart and I was on one of those shows where you've got a minute and a half to pick as put as many in your shopping cart as you can get. And I went that's some of us go to town and then we get here because On the other side, we're all -knowing, all -powerful, we're magnificent on the other side, but we go through this veil of forgetfulness, of separation, and then we're here in our thoughts of being all alone, and now we're facing all of these horrible things that we chose, and it's like, why would I choose this? I got to witness him making those choices. We all ask ourselves those questions. And sometimes I think, OK, assuming that really happened, but I really went through this grocery store kind of place and chose these really tough things that were going to happen to me in life because of what I was going to learn from them and everything I was going to get from those experiences. In spite of that.

40:00 Did I really know how tough it was going to be? I kind of don't think so. I think we were a little bit ignorant to just how hard some of those things were going to be. I mean, can you imagine holding your... I'll be somebody who will starve to death. I'm going to go to that third world country and experience that I can't even imagine. But until we know, I mean... You know the adversities and that are kind of the spice of life, too You know we go we get to go back and talk about it and share that Experience and try to explain as I'm trying to explain the darkness some people are trying to explain the pain or whatnot of Starving to death. All right, you have a whole bunch more.

40:46 I can't wait to read all about them the last very last one I'm gonna ask you about Jesus. What did you learn about Jesus? That's another one that I wrestled with with talking about because I worried about what impression it might leave people with. I'm special enough I talk to Jesus kind of thing. Well it's also gonna polarize people for and against you so congratulations on being brave enough. Yeah. Okay go ahead with what you were saying. But the experiences, and it's only been a few, three times, cherished experiences, but he's our big brother. He doesn't want to be worshipped. In fact, a story in my book of how I thought if and when I ever met Jesus on the other side, wasn't expecting to hear, that I would kneel and touch the hem of his garment. That was something that was taught as far as respect and love for Jesus, the man, the man that hangs on the wall at church. But he's our brother. He's my big brother that I can climb into his lap and feel the big brother.

42:08 Playfulness and love and watchfulness over me as I play. He doesn't want to be worshipped. He asked me to stand. He did not want me to worship him. He asked me to stand and walk with him as a fellow teacher and a friend. So this is how I treat Jesus now. I don't worship him. I know that I know him. I know him with my heart and my soul. He's very real, but he's not the one of the words that bother me is lord over us type thing. He's our loving, loving big brother and he loves every one of us. So yeah, I cry every time. I can't help it. That's what I was left with is the intensity of that love, that feeling.

42:59 My earth body can't handle that much of that feeling. that I got from Jesus. Claudia, thank you so much for sharing all this with us today. Thank you for having me. It's been a fun conversation. Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at RoundTripDest .com. If you want to share your near -death experience, or if you have questions or comments about the show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.