Scarlett Met Her Husband "On the Other Side" In a SNDE (Shared Near Death Experience)

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

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And please give a warm welcome to Scarlett, our

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guest today. How are you, Scarlett? I'm fine,

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Eric. How are you? I'm great. Well, I'm getting

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there. My voice is coming back and I was about

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to pronounce your last name, but I'm just going

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to mess it up. Would you please pronounce your

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last name for us? It's Heimbuch. Sounds German.

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It is. Good I like it. Do you know what it means?

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We've been told several things that means one

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person told me book of the dead because book

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is book in English and German and Others have

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said it's like a grove of trees. I prefer the

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book of the dead because it seems more fitting

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I Like it. They're both good. Okay. Well, congratulations

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on that. Hey I'm going to let our listeners know

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this is going to be super interesting today because

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we're not only talking about NDEs we're going

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to talk about SNDEs and if you're not sure what

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that is hang on you'll find out and frankly a

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beautiful love story and who doesn't love a good

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love story but before we jump in Scarlett would

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you tell us just a little bit about you so we

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can get to know you? You know, I always wonder

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what to say, but here's what I will say. I am

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recently retired from the financial services

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industry. I have always felt like I've walked

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in two worlds my entire life, one very mainstream

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and one esoteric based on my experiences that

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we will get into. I feel like I've worked very

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hard to be grounded. I have been a researcher

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for financial services in that field that requires

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extreme attention to detail, accuracy, all of

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these things are very important. And I try to

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apply those research skills and accuracy skills

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to how I try to relay these very unusual experiences

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that we in our world do not have words for. So

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that's a bridge I try to to walk across for people.

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And it's taken me a lifetime to even understand

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how to get here today to be able to explain some

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of these things. The most important thing to

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me is for people to understand that sharing my

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story because of how unusual it is. came at great

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personal risk, but I did it because I believe

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the message is far more important than myself.

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And that's why I'm here today to share a message

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of hope and love and healing for people because

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we need it so much now today. That is what this

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podcast is all about. It's all about hope. It's

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all about the love. It's all about the things

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that we can learn from this and And, you know,

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good job being brave and coming out and talking

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about these things. I know it's not easy. And

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especially years ago, when you had some of these

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experiences, it was even harder. Things are much

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more accepting now. And so I'm glad the world

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is a little bit safer place for people that are

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sharing these stories. But, you know, let's go

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ahead and jump into it. Four years old when this

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first thing happened. Go ahead and tell us what

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was going on Well, I think jumping in is the

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perfect thing because when I was four years old

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I was in this jumped into a swimming pool. I

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was in the shallow end and I'm very candid about

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things Eric I'm candid about my age. This was

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1964 So I was four years old and this was back

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in the day when you had kids had to wear these

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very Plastic swim caps and they were very hard

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on the hair. They pulled your hair. They were

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you know uncomfortable, but you had to wear them.

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It was requirement in public pools. And so my

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mother had taken us there. I had a sister who

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was 13 months older than I and my brother was

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in the kiddie pool. He was 18 months old. My

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mother was keeping an eye on both of the pools

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where my sister and I were and my brother. It

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was a lifeguard there. It was the middle of summer.

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It's crowded hot summer day and my sister and

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I were told to stay in the shallow end and that

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would be fine. What happened though was I was

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bobbing on the floor of the pool and I didn't

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realize that each time I bounced I went backwards

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and so I continued to go backwards until I bounced

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and my feet didn't hit the bottom of the pool.

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Well, I panicked and started to gulp water and

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I couldn't catch my breath and I was failing

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around and then I continued to gulp water and

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then I lost consciousness. I was at the bottom

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of the pool. What happened was that my consciousness

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was also out of the pool at the edge of the pool

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and I could see my body with the pink cap on

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the bottom of it now four years old you don't

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have any filters about what you're observing

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or experiencing there's nothing in your mind

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to tell you that this is. You don't know anything,

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you don't have a frame of reference before or

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after. So all I knew was that there was a physical

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body that was me on the bottom of that pool now

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and that there was me and my consciousness hovering

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on the edge of it and in that space was a place

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of love and absolute security. Just a sense of

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peace, safety, bliss. Love I mean but love is

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not even the word to describe have the magnitude

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of these feelings and I say that because it was

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so compelling to be in that space that I wanted

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to stay there. Can I just ask are you seeing

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anything or is it still spiritual you looking

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at the pool at physical you. It's spiritual me

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but here's the thing it says i call the shift

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in consciousness it's my spirit self i guess

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because i have these multiple awareness is happening

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simultaneously i'm aware that that is fully me

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observing the physical me on the bottom of the

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pool i don't even know how to process this is

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just happening. But what was interesting was

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that I could begin to, as the longer I was down

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there, which wasn't a long time, technically,

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because I wouldn't have been able to come back,

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but I did. The thing was, is that I could feel

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in this consciousness, not only myself, I could

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feel the people's feelings around me. I began

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to feel my mother's sense of panic because she...

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was the one who realized she didn't see my little

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pink cat bobbing in the pool and being a trained

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nurse, she came over, she saw me in the bottom

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of the pool and she went in and got me out. But

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I remember not wanting to come back. being aware

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that I did have a choice and being aware of my

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mother's feelings of panic and fear and love.

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And I knew that if I did not come back that she

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would never recover from this. And my love for

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her was so great that I chose to come back. And

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I say that that was a huge choice for me because

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it's important. And I do share this openly. I

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was growing up at that point in an alcoholic

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home, which was very frightening to me and very,

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very difficult for me to be in. So being in this

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loving environment where it was blissfully safe

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was very compelling to want to stay there. Knowing

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that I had a choice to do that, but the love

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I felt for my mother was so great and my care

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and concern for her life after if I didn't come

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back. It was just a choice that my spirit knew

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I needed to make, even if it was going to be

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a difficult journey. It's almost like our spirits

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are all grown up and not four years old. For

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you to be able to process all of that and make

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that kind of decision? You know, a regular four

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-year -old couldn't do that. No, you're not four

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years old. And the spiritual... There's just

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an awareness of everything and I call it just

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a consciousness When you experience that type

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of love and awareness it is ageless. It's timeless

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It's just sheer knowing it's sheer truth and

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it's it's sheer love There's no way that my four

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-year -old mind could process it all or articulate

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it now I can but I remember it vividly. I've

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never forgotten it I just did not even understand

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at the time as the years rolled by that this

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was a near -death experience because remember

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back in 1964 that term had not even been coined

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and there wasn't much talk about these sorts

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of things. Mother being a trained nurse knew

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how to revive me and when I regained consciousness

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spewing water up at the side of the pool, mom

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years later when we talked about said, you know,

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you were blue, you were not breathing and for

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a while you weren't with us. So I understood

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that. I understood I wasn't with us for a while.

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Plus the time on the bottom of the pool was very

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likely a few minutes. Yes. All together. Yes.

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And I think that that's the divine intervention

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because I think if I'd been down there any longer,

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I might not have been able to come back. But

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mom caught me in time. So that was my near death

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experience. What I didn't understand is that

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when that doorway or portal or whatever term

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you want to use, To the other side was open for

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me to have that consciousness out of my body.

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It stayed open and that was something that i

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never knew could could happen so after that shared

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near death or that near death experience that

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open the door for these other things like the

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shared near death experience it will talk about

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later but it open the door to influences of other

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spiritual experiences some frightening some not

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but things that a four year old. such as myself

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did not have any way to understand how to to

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shut it down or how to protect myself from energies

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being in the near -death experience and an encounter

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i think is full of that loving bliss but the

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other side or other elements and different dimensions

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are not all loving bliss because now when we're

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out of that particular compelling moment we're

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in real life and in real life There are other

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energies and other dimensions that when you become

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sensitized, that you are now vulnerable to. So

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these were things that as I grew from a child

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to a teenager to a young adult, I didn't really

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have any way of understanding, knowing things

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that I had no way of possibly knowing, precognitive

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dreams, all types of psychic experiences that

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were happening in my young life. And again, trying

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to navigate growing up in the home environment

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in which I found myself. There were a few saving

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graces, and I do want to acknowledge my grandparents,

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my maternal grandparents predominantly. We spent

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a lot of time there in my childhood. My maternal

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grandmother was a Pennsylvania Dutch woman, and

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she was tough as nails, and you knew she loved

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you. But they came from a lineage where unusual

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things weren't that. Unusual because in Pennsylvania

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Dutch and the folk medicine that took all powwowing

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which my great -grandmother was These sorts of

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things weren't that unusual and my grandfather

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was from North Carolina and claimed Cherokee

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descent And so he also was not so unused to unusual

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things But still growing up in this environment.

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I was grateful that I had my grandparents And

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I remember even as a little child just floating

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around out of my body at their house, out the

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back door. And there was one incident, and this

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is important to share, when I was taking a nap

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in the afternoon and my grandfather and my cousin

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were there, and this was told at a family reunion

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years later. My grandfather saw me and my cousin

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saw me standing at the kitchen door and grandpa

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said, you're supposed to be in bed and clapped

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his hands, like, get back there. And they said

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that I disappeared right in front of their eyes.

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Well, grandpa and my cousin were so unnerved

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that they ran to the room where I was sound asleep

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napping. And I was up on a higher bed that I

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would have had to climb some little steps to

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get up to. And I didn't have a deceitful bone

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in my body. So I wasn't. playing with them, no

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pranking at all. I was sound asleep in the bed

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and my grandfather was very upset by that. All

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right. I got to take a breath here. We're going

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fast. First of all, did you talk to your grandparents

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about some of the things that you were experiencing?

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Yes, I did. And my mother too. Yes. And how did

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they react? Pretty accepting, although both attending

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a Southern Baptist Church so they had a lot of

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Concerns about things to even as open as they

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were to things they were still you know, just

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Worry that these weren't evil influences or things

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like that, which of course scared me as a child

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But here's what's my way of dealing with that

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was I always felt like Any place that was dedicated

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to the house of worship i wanted to be there

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because of the experience i had of a feeling

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that the love from our creator which is the best

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way i can describe this it was not a religious

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experience it was a spiritual one and so. i would

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go to any church it did not matter any synagogue

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temple it did not matter what the religion was

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as long as i could be somewhere where i felt

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safe in a house that was dedicated to our creator

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even at a young child's age i would go to church

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with my grandparents i would walk to church Even

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if it was a Lutheran church that was nearby our

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home where we were living, I would walk myself

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to vacation Bible school at eight years old.

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This was just what I wanted to do because that

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sense of safety and being in that spiritual environment

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made me feel better. It was the closest I could

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come where I could have some dedicated time to

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that closest sense of love and care around this

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earth. All right. So after this four -year -old

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experience, you had these, I'm going to call

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them spiritual gifts, for lack of a better term,

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okay? And you've mentioned a few of them, but

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can we just kind of list them off, kind of bullet

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points here? What were some of them? Precognitive

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dreams, precognitive in knowing I could hear

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things. In other words, seeing the future a little

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bit? Yes. I knew when people were Somewhere else

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i could visually see them with my mind's eye

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now we call that remote viewing things like that

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where. You know i just couldn't. It didn't matter.

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I didn't have to go into any, just like I'm talking

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to you of an image would flash in my mind's eye.

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And I could see something like, for example,

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my uncle Howard was coming to visit us at our

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house in Maryland. We were not at home. He was

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not expected, but we're driving, I'm riding in

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the car with my parents and I'm saying, Oh, uncle

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Howard is at our house now. And we need to go

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back and, and my father said, no, he's not here.

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He's not coming over. And I was pretty insistent

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that he was there and they didn't believe me.

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And so we get home and there's a note that uncle

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Howard stopped by things like that. I, there's

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no way I can explain how I knew that, but I knew

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it when my grandfather was getting ready to pass

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on. I woke up that morning and I told my mother

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that he was going to pass at 11 17 that night.

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I, in my mind's eye had seen the clock. And that

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time and him taking his last breath. Well, he

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did things like that. Just that kind of knowing

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what that kind of specificity of seeing a time

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or a person or location. So those sorts of things

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happen all the time. I could see people like

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adults wanted to sit next to me because they

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would ask me questions about things. And I remember

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my friend when I was about. nine years old, her

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parents were getting ready to move out of state.

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And I was really sad about that. And I said something

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to her about, well, do you think when they get

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a divorce, you might come back? And she looked

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at me with shock and she said, what do you mean

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them getting a divorce? She said, my parents

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aren't getting a divorce, but I knew that I knew

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it. I could feel it. I could feel the fracture

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and the relationship like an energy split. And

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these were, again, I'm using words that there

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were no way that I had back then, but I just

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could see them together and could see that they

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were not together in their spirits. And I don't

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know how to describe it any better, but of course

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that's what happened. They moved out of state

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years later. I heard that they had been barely

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there for not much time and their marriage ended.

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So just that kind of knowing. How did you deal

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with all that? Well, this is what set me on the

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course of research, because as I got older, my

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way of coping was to learn what's happening here.

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Am I a freak? Am I a weirdo? Because I certainly

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felt that way. And as a younger child, when I

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realized that not everybody had these sorts of

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experiences, I had to learn to not speak about

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them because I didn't realize that not everyone

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was this way. So I just became very quiet. I

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worked hard. I worked two jobs in high school.

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I just learned about things in 1976, I think,

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or 77. Dr. Ian Stevenson at the University of

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Virginia, who was doing reincarnation research,

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came out with his book, Some Cases. suggestive

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reincarnation. And I thought, well, that was

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interesting. I wasn't really interested so much

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in reincarnation, but it opened the door to the

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paranormal understanding that people on an academic

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level were really looking into these things.

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And then Dr. J .B. Rine at Duke University was

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starting with the psi research and the zener

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cards. And I actually wrote to Dr. Rine and said,

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you know, here's here are these things happening.

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I would like to learn more about them and perhaps

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this might be a career path for me. And he wrote

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me back. It was amazing. And so I just tried

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to learn more about what these experiences were.

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I will say that the one thing that was the overriding

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theme though was whatever choice I made, I tried

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to be helpful to people. For example, I volunteered

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at an afterschool program for at -risk kids in

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the city I was living in. to do tutoring for

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kids. I was a peer counselor where you would

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go to elementary schools and try to help kids

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think about the choices they were making. I did

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an early training for crisis intervention counseling

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to kind of help people. And at the same center,

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there was a man who was a retired physicist and

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he was very interested in remote viewing. And

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that was the time when I learned that term and

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learned that Stanford University was doing research

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with those sorts of phenomena. And so he felt

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like he could help me with that and trying to

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understand how I could see things in my mind's

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eye. He said, well, that's remote viewing. So

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we would try to do some experiences. experiments

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with that. I am not an artist, so I didn't know

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how to see my mind's eye and draw what he might

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be seeing, and I found that that's not how my

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experiences work. There has to be a real feeling,

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a real connection or someone in need. If it's

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just theoretical, it doesn't work. I can't do

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anything with it. I have to have that human connection.

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So there were some kids who had run away. And,

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and at the crisis center, he said, well, can

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you kind of locate these children in your mind's

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eye? And I said, well, I can't exactly tell you

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where they are, but what I can do is feel them

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and I can feel them and. In my, my spirit. And

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so I would suggest to these children to call,

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come home and to make contact. And so things

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began to happen. And with that, and he noticed

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and, and he was one of the first. adults that

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I felt I could really talk to about what I was

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experiencing in my life helped me to make sense

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of it, helped me to identify what it is I was

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having the ability to do and to apply it in a

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way that was actually useful and helpful to people.

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And that was something that was extremely meaningful

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to me because it was like, what is the point

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of this if I can't help people with it? To me,

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that's the bottom line, right? What is the point

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of it because these things aren't just for entertainment

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value? No Not at all. And when you talked about

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the theoretical part of it, it's almost like

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well, that's what it would have been Like prove

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to me that you can do this Kind of thing and

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you don't need to do that With that background

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now, let's move on to an S and D E and for those

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that haven't heard that term Go ahead, Scarlett.

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Well, that's a shared near -death experience.

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That's a term that I didn't know originally when

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I had this happen, and I thought I had coined

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it, but I was humbled to find out I had not,

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that Raymond Moody actually had years and years

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and years ago. It just hadn't been popularized

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because people had not actually had many of the

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experiences, even though he thought that they

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would. So fast forward. 41 years after the drowning

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incident growing up. At this point, I'm in graduate

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school. I'm in a PhD program in public policy

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and administration focused on trying to help

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children with disabilities because at that point

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I found myself being as I was a single mom of

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two sons with disabilities. My oldest son had

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severe ADHD and learning disabilities. My younger

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son had epilepsy, so both of the boys had neurological

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conditions and the treatments and protocols that

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we were following to try to help them really

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in public policy to see if we could, again, help

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trying to manage through. And I became concerned

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about drinking too much wine. I took myself to

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a 12 step meeting. In that meeting, I met some

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really lovely people, but I stopped going and

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got busy still with. school and everything. However,

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what happened was I kept in contact with folks

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and I began to hear about this man who had come

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in from the West Coast, was a truly good person,

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was in recovery and had taken a serious illness

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that had gone extremely, extremely drastically

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wrong and that the man was now in the hospital.

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In an intensive care unit and had been an unresponsive

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coma with all systems shut down for two and a

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half going on three weeks. And that when they

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at that time, it was called Wegener's granulomatosis,

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the body. And many people die from it or they

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are permanently damaged. Back in the seventies,

00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:39.880
most people did not survive it, but it had taken

00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:42.460
them such a long time to figure out what it was

00:27:42.460 --> 00:27:45.680
because it's rare that by the time they did,

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this man was not responding to the treatment

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protocol. In addition to having respiratory failure,

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kidney failure and scarring on the kidneys. He

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pneumonia. He had blood clots. He had atrial

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fibrillation. He was in an unresponsive paralytic

00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.240
coma. And then he had brain injury beginning

00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:10.640
from the lack of oxygen due to the ongoing respirator

00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:14.160
experience. And did I mention the chest tube?

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I'm not sure if I did, but one lung had also

00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.619
collapsed. Yeah. So he was in bottom line, really,

00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:22.079
really bad shape. Probably wasn't going to make

00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.029
it. No, he wasn't. So what happened? Was a friend

00:28:25.029 --> 00:28:27.470
of mine called me about a meeting that I used

00:28:27.470 --> 00:28:30.690
to go to months before and she thought that I

00:28:30.690 --> 00:28:33.450
had met this man because He went to that meeting

00:28:33.450 --> 00:28:36.009
but I had not because I'd stopped going anyway

00:28:36.009 --> 00:28:37.930
I went to the meeting that night and learned

00:28:37.930 --> 00:28:41.269
that This man's mother had been called that day

00:28:41.269 --> 00:28:44.269
from Cal to come from San Francisco, California

00:28:44.269 --> 00:28:46.509
to come to Richmond, Virginia She'd gotten the

00:28:46.509 --> 00:28:49.549
call that morning to come say goodbye because

00:28:49.549 --> 00:28:52.210
he had taken a turn for the worse He had not

00:28:52.210 --> 00:28:55.170
come out of the coma. He was not going to survive.

00:28:55.970 --> 00:28:58.990
So I went to the meeting that night and his mother

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came into the meeting and something about her

00:29:02.650 --> 00:29:06.369
just touched my heart. I guess moms and children,

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you know, there's never, never a time to lose

00:29:10.230 --> 00:29:13.369
your child at any age. But she was facing that

00:29:13.369 --> 00:29:15.750
and she had come and she told everyone she had

00:29:15.750 --> 00:29:18.390
signed the funeral directives and wanted to thank

00:29:18.390 --> 00:29:21.289
everybody for the, you know, the fellowship that

00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.200
They had given her son because people would go

00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.359
and read to him and just show up in the ICU and

00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.140
she had given her permission for that. And it

00:29:30.140 --> 00:29:33.180
was just really a touching moment. Now I was

00:29:33.180 --> 00:29:35.099
on a prayer team at a church I was attending

00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:38.799
at the time. I had also learned Reiki and just

00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.200
finished a certification after seven years of

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.380
training. And I had done that to help my sons

00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:46.079
to kind of calm them down. And I knew the power

00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:51.029
of just loving intention and energy. So At the

00:29:51.029 --> 00:29:52.890
end of the meeting, I went up to her to tell

00:29:52.890 --> 00:29:55.750
her how sorry I was, but what came out of my

00:29:55.750 --> 00:29:58.029
mouth was, I don't think you should give up hope

00:29:58.029 --> 00:30:00.630
yet. Now, I don't know where those words came

00:30:00.630 --> 00:30:05.329
from to this day. I'm still stunned that I said

00:30:05.329 --> 00:30:08.890
that because it wasn't me speaking. It was a

00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:13.430
spiritual moment speaking. And then I laughed

00:30:13.430 --> 00:30:17.309
at a moment after that. I said, I mean, I obviously

00:30:17.309 --> 00:30:18.990
can't promise anything, but if you would like

00:30:18.990 --> 00:30:21.829
me to go visit your son, I would be happy to

00:30:21.829 --> 00:30:24.369
hold his hand. I'm not afraid of people passing

00:30:24.369 --> 00:30:27.569
on and to pray with him if you'd like. And she

00:30:27.569 --> 00:30:30.849
said, well, he's Jewish. And I said, well, that's

00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:34.690
fine. You know, it's completely respectful, reiki

00:30:34.690 --> 00:30:38.019
and energy work. It does not matter what. someone's

00:30:38.019 --> 00:30:40.579
religion or no religion. It's just pure energy.

00:30:41.059 --> 00:30:42.859
But of course she would have to give me permission

00:30:42.859 --> 00:30:46.859
to see him. And the big question mark, would

00:30:46.859 --> 00:30:49.539
he even be alive the next morning? Because it

00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:53.000
didn't seem like he would be. She said that she

00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.160
would give me permission where he's still there

00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:58.420
and we would go from there. And I drove home

00:30:58.420 --> 00:31:00.140
just wondering why I had done this, why I had

00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:03.420
even said that to her. I didn't know this man.

00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.779
I didn't... I didn't even barely have enough

00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:10.119
gas to even get to the hospital between that.

00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.299
And I'm teaching a class in addition to taking

00:31:12.299 --> 00:31:16.019
my own classes, but I'd said my prayers and I

00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:20.059
was just saying to my creator why I'm going to

00:31:20.059 --> 00:31:21.960
take it as a sign. If he's still here tomorrow,

00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:24.599
I'll keep my commitment and I'll go. I don't

00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:26.740
know what I can possibly do, but I'll show up.

00:31:27.019 --> 00:31:29.279
Well, that's what happened, Eric. I went the

00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.410
next morning. Or midday. I just finished teaching

00:31:32.410 --> 00:31:34.910
my morning class and I went to the hospital.

00:31:34.930 --> 00:31:38.869
He was still alive and They let me back. Well,

00:31:38.869 --> 00:31:41.210
I had never seen anyone in acute kidney failure

00:31:41.210 --> 00:31:43.369
So I didn't realize that the body is swollen

00:31:43.369 --> 00:31:47.190
and he was and he had the ventilator machine

00:31:47.190 --> 00:31:50.589
going and and he had the feeding tube he had

00:31:50.589 --> 00:31:54.089
the bone dry catheter bag he had I central line

00:31:54.089 --> 00:31:57.980
in his neck he had IV lines he had They had given

00:31:57.980 --> 00:32:00.960
him blood transfusions previously, but he he'd

00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.599
had every intervention possible, but he just

00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:07.559
had not Recovered he was still unconscious and

00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.119
the only thing keeping him going were the machines

00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:13.400
I was shocked that he was still alive But he

00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.079
was so my mother had always told me when someone

00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.000
is unconscious or in a coma speak to them like

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.200
they're awake So that's what I did. I went up

00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:26.670
to his his bedside and introduced myself. I told

00:32:26.670 --> 00:32:29.349
him my name, why I was there. I told him I'd

00:32:29.349 --> 00:32:31.869
met his mother the night before and that I was

00:32:31.869 --> 00:32:34.390
here to do some prayer and healing work with

00:32:34.390 --> 00:32:36.970
him if he would like and I would need his permission.

00:32:37.170 --> 00:32:40.349
Well obviously he was unconscious but I told

00:32:40.349 --> 00:32:43.289
him if you will let me know I'll just wait here.

00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.359
And I felt a whoosh of air and I took that as

00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.279
permission to work with him. So I very gently

00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.500
took his hand to establish physical contact because

00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:55.319
that's important. And again, he had like the

00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.720
pulse oximeter and the IV line. So I'm trying

00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.819
to be very careful. He had no grip and no response.

00:33:01.819 --> 00:33:05.140
And I said in a prayer out loud, an affirmative

00:33:05.140 --> 00:33:08.779
prayer and giving thanks for this time with him

00:33:08.779 --> 00:33:11.710
and just giving thanks for our creators. plan

00:33:11.710 --> 00:33:14.809
for his life and knowing that this was his choice.

00:33:14.930 --> 00:33:17.910
This is his life, his journey. And I was there

00:33:17.910 --> 00:33:21.250
to support him on the next steps and what he

00:33:21.250 --> 00:33:24.630
wanted. I felt a connection with him and I did

00:33:24.630 --> 00:33:28.430
feel a sense of sorrow and love and care. And,

00:33:28.490 --> 00:33:31.309
and I told him out loud, I said, you know, it

00:33:31.309 --> 00:33:34.529
doesn't matter what you've done in this life

00:33:34.529 --> 00:33:37.259
that The God of my understanding is a miracle

00:33:37.259 --> 00:33:41.000
working God, and you are loved. And if you are

00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.720
ready to go, just go in love, go in peace. Know

00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.000
that no matter what has happened in your life,

00:33:47.019 --> 00:33:50.519
you are loved. But if you feel you have some

00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.480
unfinished business and you feel like you want

00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:57.779
to come back, then then I will work with you.

00:33:57.779 --> 00:34:01.759
And so I. Did some reiki and some energy work

00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.579
with him for about 15 minutes. I didn't feel

00:34:04.579 --> 00:34:08.460
much energy from him. If you've experienced people

00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:13.179
in a longer term coma state, you can often sense

00:34:13.179 --> 00:34:15.179
that they're not in their body, that they're

00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:17.340
often hovering around it. And that's how he felt

00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:19.900
to me that he was hovering and he was getting

00:34:19.900 --> 00:34:23.659
ready to go. Except that at the end of the session,

00:34:23.659 --> 00:34:26.239
I took his hand again to say a closing prayer.

00:34:27.219 --> 00:34:29.719
And the words I chose. just that came out of

00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.739
my mouth again were, you know, giving thanks

00:34:32.739 --> 00:34:34.960
for this time together, giving thanks to our

00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.619
Creator for the most sacred and holy outcome

00:34:38.619 --> 00:34:42.760
for Him, the healing energies of our Creator,

00:34:42.940 --> 00:34:45.880
only the highest and best in this dimension or

00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.300
any other. And I don't to this day still know

00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:50.480
why I said that, but that was significant as

00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.519
well. And I told him again that if he decided

00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:56.400
he wanted to stick around, I would make him a

00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:58.980
promise and I would come back. But whatever he

00:34:58.980 --> 00:35:02.280
chose, he was loved. And I was getting ready

00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.539
to take my hand away and leave when I realized

00:35:05.539 --> 00:35:09.219
my hand felt like it was almost fused to his.

00:35:09.460 --> 00:35:12.079
He wasn't gripping it because he had not responded,

00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.139
but I could feel it. And I recognized that his

00:35:15.139 --> 00:35:18.679
spirit was reaching back. And that's when...

00:35:19.349 --> 00:35:23.130
I realized we've made some contact. So I remember

00:35:23.130 --> 00:35:25.809
standing there so startled at that experience

00:35:25.809 --> 00:35:28.989
that I laughed out loud and I said, okay, you're

00:35:28.989 --> 00:35:31.929
there. I said, okay, I promise you this. If you

00:35:31.929 --> 00:35:33.969
decide to stick around, I mean it, I will come

00:35:33.969 --> 00:35:36.150
back and I'll see you through this. Well, I went

00:35:36.150 --> 00:35:40.670
home that night and I didn't even know what to

00:35:40.670 --> 00:35:43.489
make of this or what to do or what I could possibly

00:35:43.489 --> 00:35:45.789
do to help this very critically ill man or even

00:35:45.789 --> 00:35:49.110
if he would. make it later. I can't remember

00:35:49.110 --> 00:35:51.670
if it was that night or the next night. I felt

00:35:51.670 --> 00:35:55.210
his eyes in my room. I felt his spirit in my

00:35:55.210 --> 00:35:58.309
room hovering. And I thought he was coming to

00:35:58.309 --> 00:36:00.929
say goodbye, but he was still in the hospital

00:36:00.929 --> 00:36:04.070
still hanging on. And I kept my word. I went

00:36:04.070 --> 00:36:07.230
back and I worked with him for 12 days. And in

00:36:07.230 --> 00:36:11.590
that 12 day period, that's when we had three

00:36:11.590 --> 00:36:15.920
incredibly unusual things. One was On the day

00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.960
I started my opening prayer with him, one of

00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:21.980
the things that's important to say is that I

00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:24.639
would synchronize my breathing to the ventilator

00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.639
with him. And so that would get my heart rate

00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.619
in sync with him, my breathing in sync with him

00:36:30.619 --> 00:36:34.480
before I began any kind of healing or even prayer.

00:36:34.699 --> 00:36:38.000
I just went into that state. About the third

00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.519
or fourth day I'm there, I've said... i've said

00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.320
the prayer i'm breathing with him before i start

00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.800
anything and that's when i had that shift in

00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.239
consciousness just like being out of my body

00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:54.099
when i drowned at four only this time. My body

00:36:54.099 --> 00:36:57.340
is standing there at his bedside and my consciousness

00:36:57.340 --> 00:37:01.619
is is somewhere else my consciousness is in this

00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:04.679
place of love like it was before when i was four

00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.860
but this is even different this was even greater

00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:11.420
than that and i had the perception of being.

00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.840
Surrounded by billions of dots of tiny white

00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.780
light liquid love i call it even though it wasn't

00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:22.320
wet but it was just just light. Beautiful incredible

00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:26.219
light and love and and there his spirit was hovering

00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:29.659
We were there together in this light in this

00:37:29.659 --> 00:37:32.559
love where he was having a decision whether he

00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.519
was going to leave or whether he was going to

00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.599
stay and And that's when I had this incredible

00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:43.099
experience of knowing I was like, I know this

00:37:43.099 --> 00:37:46.139
man. I know his spirit. I love him I've always

00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:49.019
loved this spirit this person. I didn't know

00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:52.000
him in this life, but I my spirit recognized

00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.159
him his soul and he recognized me the love was

00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.059
so huge i call it the every type of love there's

00:37:59.059 --> 00:38:02.460
no way to describe again how that was and there's

00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:06.320
nothing selfish about it nothing being exposed

00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.300
to that kind of love of course i would love to

00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:11.440
have a relationship like that but the love was

00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.260
so huge that if he needed to go because his body

00:38:14.260 --> 00:38:19.369
was too unable to come back to My love was so

00:38:19.369 --> 00:38:21.510
great that I wanted what was best for him, even

00:38:21.510 --> 00:38:24.789
if that meant we weren't going to have any kind

00:38:24.789 --> 00:38:27.590
of experience in this life other than this love,

00:38:27.610 --> 00:38:31.269
and that would have to be enough. Then I'm plunked

00:38:31.269 --> 00:38:34.030
back in my body, standing at his bedside. He's

00:38:34.030 --> 00:38:36.730
still unresponsive, and I am absolutely stunned

00:38:36.730 --> 00:38:38.969
at what has happened here because I don't know

00:38:38.969 --> 00:38:41.329
this man. I can't even see what he looks like.

00:38:41.329 --> 00:38:43.929
He's never opened his eyes. He's bloated. He's

00:38:43.929 --> 00:38:48.480
got tape holding his ventilator tube. everything.

00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.460
It's just, there's no way I even know who he

00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:56.239
is. And so I'm totally shocked because this is

00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.260
the stuff of soulmates, the things you hear about.

00:38:58.300 --> 00:39:01.860
I can't even fathom how this could possibly be

00:39:01.860 --> 00:39:05.840
my soulmate. And later when I thought about it,

00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:10.300
I just felt a sense of anger and puzzlement.

00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:14.030
It was like, why would I? be shown this incredible

00:39:14.030 --> 00:39:17.449
love only to have it snatched away what how cruel

00:39:17.449 --> 00:39:21.110
it felt cruel to me and on one hand and on the

00:39:21.110 --> 00:39:23.409
other i realized i was being selfish because

00:39:23.409 --> 00:39:26.250
love still wants what's best and and perhaps

00:39:26.250 --> 00:39:29.389
that was the gift and later yeah i realized it

00:39:29.389 --> 00:39:32.730
was the gift that when you have even that glimpse

00:39:32.730 --> 00:39:36.239
of love that is such a gift and And sometimes

00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.280
that's all we get. But what happened was I continued

00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:44.019
to work with him. He continued to hang on. We

00:39:44.019 --> 00:39:46.380
had another very unusual, and I call it a shared

00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:49.079
near -death experience. I do want to say that

00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.059
because I shared in his near -death experience.

00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.219
He's hovering near -death. He's ready to go.

00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:58.219
All systems are shut down. And I was there with

00:39:58.219 --> 00:40:00.980
him. I didn't have a word for this and that's

00:40:00.980 --> 00:40:03.079
where I came up with shared near death and why

00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:06.599
this is so important now that this term gets

00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.840
out there more because more people are having

00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:13.380
it is we need terms for things that happen to

00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:17.460
us. But it's also critically important for verifying

00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:20.659
things. One of the things, the criticisms you

00:40:20.659 --> 00:40:23.059
hear a lot about near death experience, even

00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:25.820
shared death experience, is that only one person

00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:29.320
is reporting it. So it's easy to say well maybe

00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.539
they had their brain shutting down or or maybe

00:40:32.539 --> 00:40:35.699
someone had a hallucinated this or maybe somebody

00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:39.539
is maybe misinterpreting what they experienced

00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:43.400
in a shared experience such as this you got two

00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:47.409
people. who had something happen. And you can't

00:40:47.409 --> 00:40:51.070
just dismiss that. It shows that there's something

00:40:51.070 --> 00:40:53.989
going on in consciousness that even a person

00:40:53.989 --> 00:40:57.150
who's not dying can share in with someone who

00:40:57.150 --> 00:41:00.909
is. So in this case, the man and his name is

00:41:00.909 --> 00:41:05.349
David made that return. He did come back to his

00:41:05.349 --> 00:41:10.539
body. Now his body was still extremely weak and

00:41:10.539 --> 00:41:14.239
also extremely damaged. Well, what happened next?

00:41:14.460 --> 00:41:16.539
And these were the words in this dimension or

00:41:16.539 --> 00:41:20.360
any other that I couldn't explain what had happened,

00:41:20.500 --> 00:41:23.480
but his kidneys were were destroyed or very,

00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.780
very damaged from the scar tissue and the kidneys

00:41:25.780 --> 00:41:28.599
do not regenerate. And this is a medical fact.

00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.420
They might return some tiny bit of function,

00:41:31.460 --> 00:41:34.320
but they were we were told while he was still

00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.599
unconscious that he would need to be on dialysis

00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.250
for the rest of his life. If he survived this

00:41:40.250 --> 00:41:43.369
and he would also have brain injury because of

00:41:43.369 --> 00:41:47.969
the lack of oxygen. Well, one night over this

00:41:47.969 --> 00:41:50.989
12 day period after this shared near death experience

00:41:50.989 --> 00:41:55.550
with this man, I am really. Still just stunned

00:41:55.550 --> 00:41:57.670
about everything. I don't know whether what's

00:41:57.670 --> 00:42:00.170
going to happen here. I don't know I just know

00:42:00.170 --> 00:42:02.530
that I have to keep showing up that I made a

00:42:02.530 --> 00:42:04.670
promise and he's still hanging on and I kept

00:42:04.670 --> 00:42:07.570
coming back and one night I'm in my room getting

00:42:07.570 --> 00:42:12.039
me to go to sleep and As we talked about remote

00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.239
viewing where you can see something somewhere

00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.780
else I have a sense of being in his hospital

00:42:16.780 --> 00:42:19.219
room my consciousness like the proverbial fly

00:42:19.219 --> 00:42:23.239
on the wall in the corner and I see what I have

00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.500
called They look like a blue medical team. They

00:42:27.500 --> 00:42:31.380
look like beings that were solid blue to me and

00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:34.619
they look like doctors and I saw them on each

00:42:34.619 --> 00:42:38.900
end of his bed and on each side and what I perceived

00:42:38.900 --> 00:42:43.199
is for a set of blue holographic kidneys descending

00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:48.079
into his body with these beings. And I thought

00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:51.320
maybe I might be dreaming or having that fall

00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.960
asleep moment where your mind just has kind of

00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:59.440
a hallucinatory effect, except that what I call

00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:03.579
the lead doctor looked up and nodded their head

00:43:03.579 --> 00:43:06.480
at me so they could sense my presence there in

00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.539
the room. or at least my observation. And so

00:43:10.539 --> 00:43:12.739
this wasn't that different than remote viewing.

00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:15.139
And I realized later that that's what was happening,

00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:17.780
except that I had never heard about any blue

00:43:17.780 --> 00:43:20.179
beings or this sort of thing. So I didn't know

00:43:20.179 --> 00:43:23.179
what in the world was going on. The next morning

00:43:23.179 --> 00:43:26.500
I got to the hospital and I went super early

00:43:26.500 --> 00:43:29.920
because I was really surprised at this. And I

00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:33.199
had brought other things and then. tuning forks.

00:43:33.340 --> 00:43:36.480
I brought essential oils to rub on his feet and

00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.199
certain acupressure points there. I had brought

00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:41.579
the aromatherapy. I brought music to help keep

00:43:41.579 --> 00:43:45.599
the brain stimulated. His kidneys began to regain

00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.300
function. And over the following days, the nephrologist

00:43:49.300 --> 00:43:53.139
came in and they said, something's going on here.

00:43:53.539 --> 00:43:56.659
His kidneys are regaining. function exponentially,

00:43:56.980 --> 00:44:00.000
and this is not possible. So he was in a Catholic

00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.159
hospital here in Richmond, Virginia called St.

00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:06.039
Mary's, and the doctors and nurses from that

00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.619
day on started calling a miracle boy. You know,

00:44:08.619 --> 00:44:11.940
they would pray with him and over him, and then

00:44:11.940 --> 00:44:14.840
his kidneys continued to regain function until

00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:18.480
they regained 100%. And this was after documented

00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:21.659
evidence that the kidneys were scarred, that

00:44:21.659 --> 00:44:23.559
they could not ever regenerate, and that's why

00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.599
they were calling a miracle boy. And that's important,

00:44:26.980 --> 00:44:29.800
too, as well. Credibility matters. As I said,

00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:32.840
I'm a researcher. We have all the medical documentation

00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.639
that have been reviewed by many medical professionals

00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.840
at this point for veracity and accuracy. I'm

00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:40.860
not a medical doctor, so I want to make sure

00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:46.019
that I'm relaying things correctly. This is correct.

00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:49.260
So this has been validated by multiple sources.

00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.900
David had an unexplained medical recovery. I

00:44:53.900 --> 00:44:57.150
called a miracle. He woke up. And then we met

00:44:57.150 --> 00:45:00.269
in real life. And it was awkward because we were

00:45:00.269 --> 00:45:02.510
strangers to each other in this life. So we had

00:45:02.510 --> 00:45:05.590
to introduce ourselves, meet each other. And

00:45:05.590 --> 00:45:08.710
in the interest of time, our spirits recognized

00:45:08.710 --> 00:45:11.550
he knew when he woke up, he knew everything about

00:45:11.550 --> 00:45:14.050
me. He knew he was going to marry me. He knew

00:45:14.050 --> 00:45:16.630
all of these things that I wasn't sure of, because

00:45:16.630 --> 00:45:18.429
we still didn't know if he was going to make

00:45:18.429 --> 00:45:22.809
it. But he did. And he had another relapse and

00:45:22.809 --> 00:45:26.110
almost died again. But he survived that too.

00:45:26.610 --> 00:45:30.230
And all this happened in September of 2005 through

00:45:30.230 --> 00:45:33.449
December of 2005. During the time I worked with

00:45:33.449 --> 00:45:36.690
him, he did make that stunning recovery. He still

00:45:36.690 --> 00:45:39.289
had a long road ahead of him, but our spirits

00:45:39.289 --> 00:45:43.750
knew we were brought together for this. And in

00:45:43.750 --> 00:45:47.409
June of 2006, we were married and we have been

00:45:47.409 --> 00:45:50.010
married since. ever since. We've been together

00:45:50.010 --> 00:45:52.769
over 20 years. This experience will be 21 years

00:45:52.769 --> 00:45:57.349
this fall. He has defied every prognosis, even

00:45:57.349 --> 00:46:00.530
when people survive what he had. Even if they

00:46:00.530 --> 00:46:03.489
do, it's usually maybe eight years. He's going

00:46:03.489 --> 00:46:07.090
on 21 years. His kidneys are still perfect. He

00:46:07.090 --> 00:46:10.090
didn't have the brain damage that they expected.

00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.400
That is so amazing. It is a true healing miracle.

00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:17.460
And I say it's all in our creator's hands. And

00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:19.920
it was his decision, his creator's decision.

00:46:19.940 --> 00:46:23.539
But I came along to be a facilitator and to offer

00:46:23.539 --> 00:46:27.960
that healing hand to help. And so I don't call

00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.019
myself a great healer. I call myself someone

00:46:30.019 --> 00:46:33.019
who cared enough to show up, facilitate. And

00:46:33.019 --> 00:46:35.840
I feel like his spirit called me and I listened.

00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:40.320
And that's the part that is the miracle to me

00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:44.070
is that I was healed too in this experience and

00:46:44.070 --> 00:46:48.110
life was not easy for me and here I never expected

00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:50.969
that this this would be how I'd meet my soulmate

00:46:50.969 --> 00:46:54.510
that was never on my radar like this and yet

00:46:54.510 --> 00:47:00.469
our seeming differences were so just that irrelevant

00:47:00.469 --> 00:47:03.030
when you have a shared new death experience and

00:47:03.030 --> 00:47:05.909
you meet somebody in that encounter which was

00:47:05.909 --> 00:47:08.369
so unusual I'd never heard anything like it we

00:47:08.369 --> 00:47:11.500
didn't talk about it for Ten years. How could

00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:13.920
you? I mean, how do you explain all these things

00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.659
that happened? But now we feel like we need to

00:47:16.659 --> 00:47:20.980
explain more because it is unusual. But people

00:47:20.980 --> 00:47:24.019
are having these experiences. They need a name

00:47:24.019 --> 00:47:28.539
and they need to know that love is the most powerful

00:47:28.539 --> 00:47:31.760
force in this universe. Love. And that's the

00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.139
healing key all the time. And even when people

00:47:35.139 --> 00:47:39.219
don't come back. Love is so great that I like

00:47:39.219 --> 00:47:42.300
to say to people that, you know, we know consciousness

00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:44.940
out of the body exists. We know our spirits live

00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:48.440
on. We know they're in turn eternal. And so if

00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.940
someone has gone on ahead of us, they're just

00:47:50.940 --> 00:47:53.599
ahead of us. If they're on that other side ahead

00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.730
of us in another dimension. their love is still

00:47:56.730 --> 00:47:58.750
there. They're just not in our physical realm

00:47:58.750 --> 00:48:02.389
and that's a loss and we experience that. But

00:48:02.389 --> 00:48:05.909
if it brings any comfort to know that the spirit

00:48:05.909 --> 00:48:09.070
and the love live on and are just waiting for

00:48:09.070 --> 00:48:13.849
us when we go, I think that helps people to just

00:48:13.849 --> 00:48:16.789
maybe find some comfort. But that's the ultimate

00:48:16.789 --> 00:48:19.889
thing, Eric, is the most important thing is that

00:48:19.889 --> 00:48:22.969
love finds people in the most unusual ways and

00:48:22.969 --> 00:48:26.949
that if we just have some faith and trust that

00:48:26.949 --> 00:48:29.250
things are working out in our lives, that there

00:48:29.250 --> 00:48:32.590
is a creative divine hand guiding us, and if

00:48:32.590 --> 00:48:35.650
we'll maybe listen to it and take that leap of

00:48:35.650 --> 00:48:39.690
faith that that's where miracles happen. What

00:48:39.690 --> 00:48:42.130
a beautiful message. A couple of quick questions,

00:48:42.130 --> 00:48:45.889
and I don't mean to get off where you just left

00:48:45.889 --> 00:48:49.090
it perfectly there. How was his mother doing

00:48:49.090 --> 00:48:51.570
through all this? She thought she was there saying

00:48:51.570 --> 00:48:56.030
goodbye to him. And here this weird person, Scarlett,

00:48:56.210 --> 00:48:59.929
says he's going to be okay. And so anyway, you

00:48:59.929 --> 00:49:04.329
said she flew back? She had flown back to California

00:49:04.329 --> 00:49:07.110
after that, after signing the funeral directives,

00:49:07.389 --> 00:49:09.150
thinking that was it. She had been out three

00:49:09.150 --> 00:49:12.650
times, but she figured that was it. So when he

00:49:12.650 --> 00:49:15.329
began to make this unexpected recovery, she didn't

00:49:15.329 --> 00:49:18.050
know what to expect. And I talked to her. you

00:49:18.050 --> 00:49:20.429
know, once or twice through because I'm still

00:49:20.429 --> 00:49:22.969
a stranger. But the doctors were calling her

00:49:22.969 --> 00:49:25.670
and letting her know, hey, something is going

00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:30.489
on here. And then after David got better, and

00:49:30.489 --> 00:49:32.789
then he went out to see his mom. And then that's

00:49:32.789 --> 00:49:36.269
when he got back and was still ill. But then

00:49:36.269 --> 00:49:38.829
when I finally got to go back out and meet her

00:49:38.829 --> 00:49:41.869
later the following year, David and I were already

00:49:41.869 --> 00:49:43.829
married at that point, we just knew and that

00:49:43.829 --> 00:49:47.349
was it. So his mother We lost her in 2012. She

00:49:47.349 --> 00:49:52.230
was one of the most amazing people I've ever

00:49:52.230 --> 00:49:54.670
known. I feel totally blessed that I had her

00:49:54.670 --> 00:49:57.670
as my mother -in -law. I just loved her so much.

00:49:58.230 --> 00:50:01.849
So that bond that happened, I felt like I went

00:50:01.849 --> 00:50:05.550
for her too. So I felt like I was really lucky

00:50:05.550 --> 00:50:08.789
to just not only meet him, but her too. What

00:50:08.789 --> 00:50:13.030
a gift. Yeah, that bond doesn't always take a

00:50:13.030 --> 00:50:15.800
long time. when it's something so significant

00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:18.800
like that. Yes. But it can happen just sort of

00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:23.599
from a moment's thing. Tell me about these blue

00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:27.199
beings that were kind of like doctors. Can you

00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.519
explain any more what they look like, where they

00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:33.039
were, what the heck they were doing? They look

00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:37.280
like they would look blue in color to me. They

00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.940
look very tall. They look like a medical team.

00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:43.360
They looked like they were dressed in blue scrubs.

00:50:43.420 --> 00:50:48.059
everything about them, but they weren't people,

00:50:48.099 --> 00:50:50.420
although they were human -looking. Their movements

00:50:50.420 --> 00:50:53.880
were incredibly fast. It's hard for me to describe

00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:59.199
how they moved, but everything was energy. And

00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.900
years have gone by, but when we spoke about this

00:51:01.900 --> 00:51:05.659
in 2015 at an International Association of Near

00:51:05.659 --> 00:51:08.659
-Death Studies conference, at the end of it,

00:51:08.659 --> 00:51:10.599
I was scared to even talk about it because I

00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:14.320
was like, I don't really know. We'll think you're

00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.960
you know, it's already a crazy enough story add

00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.699
in this and at the end of the conference That's

00:51:19.699 --> 00:51:21.599
when one their researchers came up and said we've

00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.460
been hearing about these blue beings all over

00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:26.739
the world and that's when I began to research

00:51:26.739 --> 00:51:30.840
that so I am working on a book about that right

00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.260
now Eric because I'm with the focus specifically

00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:37.570
on healing blue beings because they're There

00:51:37.570 --> 00:51:40.550
appears to be a group of these beings known in

00:51:40.550 --> 00:51:42.949
the Native American community, in the Jewish

00:51:42.949 --> 00:51:46.070
community, and in the general community. And

00:51:46.070 --> 00:51:48.769
we got to meet some people who have had encounters

00:51:48.769 --> 00:51:51.469
with these blue beings and near death experiences.

00:51:52.050 --> 00:51:54.690
And that's kind of where my focus is going to

00:51:54.690 --> 00:51:59.369
be because I mean, I can't say that I know who

00:51:59.369 --> 00:52:02.409
they are, and I don't know that anyone can. I

00:52:02.409 --> 00:52:04.469
do not feel that they're planetary -based. I

00:52:04.469 --> 00:52:07.369
feel that they're dimensional beings, and I'm

00:52:07.369 --> 00:52:10.849
working on trying to understand that more. But

00:52:10.849 --> 00:52:13.750
as I've done the research and hearing more and

00:52:13.750 --> 00:52:17.409
more about them and the healing work that they're

00:52:17.409 --> 00:52:20.550
doing, it seems to me these are healing helpers

00:52:20.550 --> 00:52:23.989
from another side, and that's their entire focus.

00:52:25.579 --> 00:52:29.000
the gift that they're bringing to humanity is

00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.360
a beautiful thing. So I want to, as a researcher,

00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:36.059
I want to understand it more, you know, and not

00:52:36.059 --> 00:52:39.619
claim to know because I don't. And I don't think

00:52:39.619 --> 00:52:42.559
anyone can really say, I can only say the byproduct

00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.420
of this experience is David's kidneys are completely

00:52:45.420 --> 00:52:47.699
healed and there's no medical explanation for

00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:52.599
it. I like the term that you used, helpers, because

00:52:53.099 --> 00:52:56.579
You know, we look at these things, any miracles,

00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:02.059
as being through the power of God. Well, maybe,

00:53:02.179 --> 00:53:05.199
just maybe, I don't know, you don't know, but

00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:10.119
maybe he has helpers that help him do some of

00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:12.159
these things that we call miracles and that we

00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:17.619
don't understand. With that, yes. Oh, yes. And

00:53:17.619 --> 00:53:20.099
that was when I said the prayer in this dimension

00:53:20.099 --> 00:53:23.179
or any other. I felt like those words opened

00:53:23.179 --> 00:53:27.559
up a portal to to God's creative hand. My puny

00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:31.179
little human self can't even comprehend what

00:53:31.179 --> 00:53:33.980
what is out there. When you think there's billions

00:53:33.980 --> 00:53:36.639
and billions of universes and galaxies and we're

00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:40.199
just one tiny little one. How could we possibly

00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:45.260
say we know everything? We don't. Or that we're

00:53:45.260 --> 00:53:47.519
alone in the universe. Obviously we're not that

00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:50.880
would be logically Kind of wrong. Yeah doesn't

00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.900
make any sense Scarlett I appreciate your time

00:53:53.900 --> 00:53:57.400
so much and all of these insights and If people

00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:59.579
want to hear more about the whole love story,

00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:01.940
you have a book we met on the other side I'll

00:54:01.940 --> 00:54:05.400
put a link down in the show notes and Wow, thanks

00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.460
for sharing all this because it's all about hope

00:54:07.460 --> 00:54:12.179
and love it is. Thank you, Eric Thanks again

00:54:12.179 --> 00:54:14.739
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