Scarlett Met Her Husband "On the Other Side" In a SNDE (Shared Near Death Experience)

0:03 From the time that they pronounced me that was a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I could see people screaming and crying But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else The only thing that I could feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. And please give a warm welcome to Scarlett, our guest today. How are you, Scarlett? I'm fine, Eric. How are you? I'm great. Well, I'm getting there. My voice is coming back and I was about to pronounce your last name, but I'm just going to mess it up. Would you please pronounce your last name for us? It's Heimbuch. Sounds German.

1:00 It is. Good I like it. Do you know what it means? We've been told several things that means one person told me book of the dead because book is book in English and German and Others have said it's like a grove of trees. I prefer the book of the dead because it seems more fitting I Like it. They're both good. Okay. Well, congratulations on that. Hey I'm going to let our listeners know this is going to be super interesting today because we're not only talking about NDEs we're going to talk about SNDEs and if you're not sure what that is hang on you'll find out and frankly a beautiful love story and who doesn't love a good love story but before we jump in Scarlett would you tell us just a little bit about you so we can get to know you? You know, I always wonder what to say, but here's what I will say. I am recently retired from the financial services industry. I have always felt like I've walked in two worlds my entire life, one very mainstream and one esoteric based on my experiences that we will get into. I feel like I've worked very hard to be grounded. I have been a researcher for financial services in that field that requires extreme attention to detail, accuracy, all of these things are very important. And I try to

2:30 apply those research skills and accuracy skills to how I try to relay these very unusual experiences that we in our world do not have words for. So that's a bridge I try to to walk across for people. And it's taken me a lifetime to even understand how to get here today to be able to explain some of these things. The most important thing to me is for people to understand that sharing my story because of how unusual it is. came at great personal risk, but I did it because I believe the message is far more important than myself.

3:11 And that's why I'm here today to share a message of hope and love and healing for people because we need it so much now today. That is what this podcast is all about. It's all about hope. It's all about the love. It's all about the things that we can learn from this and And, you know, good job being brave and coming out and talking about these things. I know it's not easy. And especially years ago, when you had some of these experiences, it was even harder. Things are much more accepting now. And so I'm glad the world is a little bit safer place for people that are sharing these stories. But, you know, let's go ahead and jump into it. Four years old when this first thing happened. Go ahead and tell us what was going on Well, I think jumping in is the perfect thing because when I was four years old I was in this jumped into a swimming pool. I was in the shallow end and I'm very candid about things Eric I'm candid about my age. This was 1964 So I was four years old and this was back in the day when you had kids had to wear these very Plastic swim caps and they were very hard on the hair. They pulled your hair. They were you know uncomfortable, but you had to wear them.

4:26 It was requirement in public pools. And so my mother had taken us there. I had a sister who was 13 months older than I and my brother was in the kiddie pool. He was 18 months old. My mother was keeping an eye on both of the pools where my sister and I were and my brother. It was a lifeguard there. It was the middle of summer. It's crowded hot summer day and my sister and I were told to stay in the shallow end and that would be fine. What happened though was I was bobbing on the floor of the pool and I didn't realize that each time I bounced I went backwards and so I continued to go backwards until I bounced and my feet didn't hit the bottom of the pool.

5:07 Well, I panicked and started to gulp water and I couldn't catch my breath and I was failing around and then I continued to gulp water and then I lost consciousness. I was at the bottom of the pool. What happened was that my consciousness was also out of the pool at the edge of the pool and I could see my body with the pink cap on the bottom of it now four years old you don't have any filters about what you're observing or experiencing there's nothing in your mind to tell you that this is. You don't know anything, you don't have a frame of reference before or after. So all I knew was that there was a physical body that was me on the bottom of that pool now and that there was me and my consciousness hovering on the edge of it and in that space was a place of love and absolute security. Just a sense of peace, safety, bliss. Love I mean but love is not even the word to describe have the magnitude of these feelings and I say that because it was so compelling to be in that space that I wanted to stay there. Can I just ask are you seeing anything or is it still spiritual you looking at the pool at physical you. It's spiritual me but here's the thing it says i call the shift

6:38 in consciousness it's my spirit self i guess because i have these multiple awareness is happening simultaneously i'm aware that that is fully me observing the physical me on the bottom of the pool i don't even know how to process this is just happening. But what was interesting was that I could begin to, as the longer I was down there, which wasn't a long time, technically, because I wouldn't have been able to come back, but I did. The thing was, is that I could feel in this consciousness, not only myself, I could feel the people's feelings around me. I began to feel my mother's sense of panic because she...

7:20 was the one who realized she didn't see my little pink cat bobbing in the pool and being a trained nurse, she came over, she saw me in the bottom of the pool and she went in and got me out. But I remember not wanting to come back. being aware that I did have a choice and being aware of my mother's feelings of panic and fear and love. And I knew that if I did not come back that she would never recover from this. And my love for her was so great that I chose to come back. And I say that that was a huge choice for me because it's important. And I do share this openly. I was growing up at that point in an alcoholic home, which was very frightening to me and very, very difficult for me to be in. So being in this loving environment where it was blissfully safe was very compelling to want to stay there. Knowing that I had a choice to do that, but the love I felt for my mother was so great and my care and concern for her life after if I didn't come back. It was just a choice that my spirit knew I needed to make, even if it was going to be a difficult journey. It's almost like our spirits are all grown up and not four years old. For you to be able to process all of that and make that kind of decision? You know, a regular four -year -old couldn't do that. No, you're not four years old. And the spiritual... There's just

8:51 an awareness of everything and I call it just a consciousness When you experience that type of love and awareness it is ageless. It's timeless It's just sheer knowing it's sheer truth and it's it's sheer love There's no way that my four -year -old mind could process it all or articulate it now I can but I remember it vividly. I've never forgotten it I just did not even understand at the time as the years rolled by that this was a near -death experience because remember back in 1964 that term had not even been coined and there wasn't much talk about these sorts of things. Mother being a trained nurse knew how to revive me and when I regained consciousness spewing water up at the side of the pool, mom years later when we talked about said, you know, you were blue, you were not breathing and for a while you weren't with us. So I understood that. I understood I wasn't with us for a while.

9:49 Plus the time on the bottom of the pool was very likely a few minutes. Yes. All together. Yes. And I think that that's the divine intervention because I think if I'd been down there any longer, I might not have been able to come back. But mom caught me in time. So that was my near death experience. What I didn't understand is that when that doorway or portal or whatever term you want to use, To the other side was open for me to have that consciousness out of my body. It stayed open and that was something that i never knew could could happen so after that shared near death or that near death experience that open the door for these other things like the shared near death experience it will talk about later but it open the door to influences of other spiritual experiences some frightening some not but things that a four year old. such as myself did not have any way to understand how to to shut it down or how to protect myself from energies being in the near -death experience and an encounter i think is full of that loving bliss but the other side or other elements and different dimensions are not all loving bliss because now when we're out of that particular compelling moment we're in real life and in real life There are other energies and other dimensions that when you become sensitized, that you are now vulnerable to. So

11:19 these were things that as I grew from a child to a teenager to a young adult, I didn't really have any way of understanding, knowing things that I had no way of possibly knowing, precognitive dreams, all types of psychic experiences that were happening in my young life. And again, trying to navigate growing up in the home environment in which I found myself. There were a few saving graces, and I do want to acknowledge my grandparents, my maternal grandparents predominantly. We spent a lot of time there in my childhood. My maternal grandmother was a Pennsylvania Dutch woman, and she was tough as nails, and you knew she loved you. But they came from a lineage where unusual things weren't that. Unusual because in Pennsylvania Dutch and the folk medicine that took all powwowing which my great -grandmother was These sorts of things weren't that unusual and my grandfather was from North Carolina and claimed Cherokee descent And so he also was not so unused to unusual things But still growing up in this environment.

12:33 I was grateful that I had my grandparents And I remember even as a little child just floating around out of my body at their house, out the back door. And there was one incident, and this is important to share, when I was taking a nap in the afternoon and my grandfather and my cousin were there, and this was told at a family reunion years later. My grandfather saw me and my cousin saw me standing at the kitchen door and grandpa said, you're supposed to be in bed and clapped his hands, like, get back there. And they said that I disappeared right in front of their eyes. Well, grandpa and my cousin were so unnerved that they ran to the room where I was sound asleep napping. And I was up on a higher bed that I would have had to climb some little steps to get up to. And I didn't have a deceitful bone in my body. So I wasn't. playing with them, no pranking at all. I was sound asleep in the bed and my grandfather was very upset by that. All right. I got to take a breath here. We're going fast. First of all, did you talk to your grandparents about some of the things that you were experiencing?

13:47 Yes, I did. And my mother too. Yes. And how did they react? Pretty accepting, although both attending a Southern Baptist Church so they had a lot of Concerns about things to even as open as they were to things they were still you know, just Worry that these weren't evil influences or things like that, which of course scared me as a child But here's what's my way of dealing with that was I always felt like Any place that was dedicated to the house of worship i wanted to be there because of the experience i had of a feeling that the love from our creator which is the best way i can describe this it was not a religious experience it was a spiritual one and so. i would go to any church it did not matter any synagogue temple it did not matter what the religion was as long as i could be somewhere where i felt safe in a house that was dedicated to our creator even at a young child's age i would go to church with my grandparents i would walk to church Even if it was a Lutheran church that was nearby our home where we were living, I would walk myself to vacation Bible school at eight years old.

15:00 This was just what I wanted to do because that sense of safety and being in that spiritual environment made me feel better. It was the closest I could come where I could have some dedicated time to that closest sense of love and care around this earth. All right. So after this four -year -old experience, you had these, I'm going to call them spiritual gifts, for lack of a better term, okay? And you've mentioned a few of them, but can we just kind of list them off, kind of bullet points here? What were some of them? Precognitive dreams, precognitive in knowing I could hear things. In other words, seeing the future a little bit? Yes. I knew when people were Somewhere else i could visually see them with my mind's eye now we call that remote viewing things like that where. You know i just couldn't. It didn't matter.

16:01 I didn't have to go into any, just like I'm talking to you of an image would flash in my mind's eye. And I could see something like, for example, my uncle Howard was coming to visit us at our house in Maryland. We were not at home. He was not expected, but we're driving, I'm riding in the car with my parents and I'm saying, Oh, uncle Howard is at our house now. And we need to go back and, and my father said, no, he's not here. He's not coming over. And I was pretty insistent that he was there and they didn't believe me. And so we get home and there's a note that uncle Howard stopped by things like that. I, there's no way I can explain how I knew that, but I knew it when my grandfather was getting ready to pass on. I woke up that morning and I told my mother that he was going to pass at 11 17 that night.

16:48 I, in my mind's eye had seen the clock. And that time and him taking his last breath. Well, he did things like that. Just that kind of knowing what that kind of specificity of seeing a time or a person or location. So those sorts of things happen all the time. I could see people like adults wanted to sit next to me because they would ask me questions about things. And I remember my friend when I was about. nine years old, her parents were getting ready to move out of state. And I was really sad about that. And I said something to her about, well, do you think when they get a divorce, you might come back? And she looked at me with shock and she said, what do you mean them getting a divorce? She said, my parents aren't getting a divorce, but I knew that I knew it. I could feel it. I could feel the fracture and the relationship like an energy split. And these were, again, I'm using words that there were no way that I had back then, but I just could see them together and could see that they were not together in their spirits. And I don't know how to describe it any better, but of course that's what happened. They moved out of state years later. I heard that they had been barely there for not much time and their marriage ended.

18:07 So just that kind of knowing. How did you deal with all that? Well, this is what set me on the course of research, because as I got older, my way of coping was to learn what's happening here. Am I a freak? Am I a weirdo? Because I certainly felt that way. And as a younger child, when I realized that not everybody had these sorts of experiences, I had to learn to not speak about them because I didn't realize that not everyone was this way. So I just became very quiet. I worked hard. I worked two jobs in high school. I just learned about things in 1976, I think, or 77. Dr. Ian Stevenson at the University of Virginia, who was doing reincarnation research, came out with his book, Some Cases. suggestive reincarnation. And I thought, well, that was interesting. I wasn't really interested so much in reincarnation, but it opened the door to the paranormal understanding that people on an academic level were really looking into these things.

19:13 And then Dr. J .B. Rine at Duke University was starting with the psi research and the zener cards. And I actually wrote to Dr. Rine and said, you know, here's here are these things happening. I would like to learn more about them and perhaps this might be a career path for me. And he wrote me back. It was amazing. And so I just tried to learn more about what these experiences were. I will say that the one thing that was the overriding theme though was whatever choice I made, I tried to be helpful to people. For example, I volunteered at an afterschool program for at -risk kids in the city I was living in. to do tutoring for kids. I was a peer counselor where you would go to elementary schools and try to help kids think about the choices they were making. I did an early training for crisis intervention counseling to kind of help people. And at the same center, there was a man who was a retired physicist and he was very interested in remote viewing. And that was the time when I learned that term and learned that Stanford University was doing research with those sorts of phenomena. And so he felt like he could help me with that and trying to understand how I could see things in my mind's eye. He said, well, that's remote viewing. So we would try to do some experiences. experiments with that. I am not an artist, so I didn't know how to see my mind's eye and draw what he might

20:44 be seeing, and I found that that's not how my experiences work. There has to be a real feeling, a real connection or someone in need. If it's just theoretical, it doesn't work. I can't do anything with it. I have to have that human connection. So there were some kids who had run away. And, and at the crisis center, he said, well, can you kind of locate these children in your mind's eye? And I said, well, I can't exactly tell you where they are, but what I can do is feel them and I can feel them and. In my, my spirit. And so I would suggest to these children to call, come home and to make contact. And so things began to happen. And with that, and he noticed and, and he was one of the first. adults that I felt I could really talk to about what I was experiencing in my life helped me to make sense of it, helped me to identify what it is I was having the ability to do and to apply it in a way that was actually useful and helpful to people.

21:53 And that was something that was extremely meaningful to me because it was like, what is the point of this if I can't help people with it? To me, that's the bottom line, right? What is the point of it because these things aren't just for entertainment value? No Not at all. And when you talked about the theoretical part of it, it's almost like well, that's what it would have been Like prove to me that you can do this Kind of thing and you don't need to do that With that background now, let's move on to an S and D E and for those that haven't heard that term Go ahead, Scarlett. Well, that's a shared near -death experience.

22:35 That's a term that I didn't know originally when I had this happen, and I thought I had coined it, but I was humbled to find out I had not, that Raymond Moody actually had years and years and years ago. It just hadn't been popularized because people had not actually had many of the experiences, even though he thought that they would. So fast forward. 41 years after the drowning incident growing up. At this point, I'm in graduate school. I'm in a PhD program in public policy and administration focused on trying to help children with disabilities because at that point I found myself being as I was a single mom of two sons with disabilities. My oldest son had severe ADHD and learning disabilities. My younger son had epilepsy, so both of the boys had neurological conditions and the treatments and protocols that we were following to try to help them really weren't. So that's when I became interested in essential fatty acids and things like that. And I ended up getting a master's in public health and then got the stipend to go on for the doctorate in public policy to see if we could, again, help children address these issues in a more, not only a more holistic and. practical way but also from their school experiences and parental experiences.

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25:28 After your purchase they'll ask you where you heard of them and we'd really appreciate it if you'd support our show by telling them that we sent you. So I was a single mom and I was broke. I had taken, left my job as a Human Resources Compensation Analyst because that was the requirement to go to the PhD program full time. And I barely had any money to rub together. But anyway, when I mentioned growing up in an alcoholic home, one of the things that I experienced also was my own concern as an adult that I felt I was drinking too much and knowing that there's the genetic component, the habit component and the worry and feeling the stress and pressures I was dealing with in that. I went through a period where I was feeling very depressed and overwhelmed with everything, with my sons and life and just trying to manage through. And I became concerned about drinking too much wine. I took myself to a 12 step meeting. In that meeting, I met some really lovely people, but I stopped going and got busy still with. school and everything. However, what happened was I kept in contact with folks and I began to hear about this man who had come in from the West Coast, was a truly good person, was in recovery and had taken a serious illness that had gone extremely, extremely drastically

26:59 wrong and that the man was now in the hospital. In an intensive care unit and had been an unresponsive coma with all systems shut down for two and a half going on three weeks. And that when they figured out that he had a very rare form of vasculitis at that time, it was called Wegener's granulomatosis, where little nodules and scarring occurs on the lungs, kidneys, any kind of organ system, and even the veins, all sorts. It's devastating to the body. And many people die from it or they are permanently damaged. Back in the seventies, most people did not survive it, but it had taken them such a long time to figure out what it was because it's rare that by the time they did, this man was not responding to the treatment protocol. In addition to having respiratory failure, kidney failure and scarring on the kidneys. He had a chest tube. He had sepsis. He had double pneumonia. He had blood clots. He had atrial fibrillation. He was in an unresponsive paralytic coma. And then he had brain injury beginning from the lack of oxygen due to the ongoing respirator experience. And did I mention the chest tube?

28:14 I'm not sure if I did, but one lung had also collapsed. Yeah. So he was in bottom line, really, really bad shape. Probably wasn't going to make it. No, he wasn't. So what happened? Was a friend of mine called me about a meeting that I used to go to months before and she thought that I had met this man because He went to that meeting but I had not because I'd stopped going anyway I went to the meeting that night and learned that This man's mother had been called that day from Cal to come from San Francisco, California to come to Richmond, Virginia She'd gotten the call that morning to come say goodbye because he had taken a turn for the worse He had not come out of the coma. He was not going to survive.

28:55 So I went to the meeting that night and his mother came into the meeting and something about her just touched my heart. I guess moms and children, you know, there's never, never a time to lose your child at any age. But she was facing that and she had come and she told everyone she had signed the funeral directives and wanted to thank everybody for the, you know, the fellowship that They had given her son because people would go and read to him and just show up in the ICU and she had given her permission for that. And it was just really a touching moment. Now I was on a prayer team at a church I was attending at the time. I had also learned Reiki and just finished a certification after seven years of training. And I had done that to help my sons to kind of calm them down. And I knew the power of just loving intention and energy. So At the end of the meeting, I went up to her to tell her how sorry I was, but what came out of my mouth was, I don't think you should give up hope yet. Now, I don't know where those words came from to this day. I'm still stunned that I said that because it wasn't me speaking. It was a spiritual moment speaking. And then I laughed at a moment after that. I said, I mean, I obviously can't promise anything, but if you would like me to go visit your son, I would be happy to hold his hand. I'm not afraid of people passing on and to pray with him if you'd like. And she

30:27 said, well, he's Jewish. And I said, well, that's fine. You know, it's completely respectful, reiki and energy work. It does not matter what. someone's religion or no religion. It's just pure energy. But of course she would have to give me permission to see him. And the big question mark, would he even be alive the next morning? Because it didn't seem like he would be. She said that she would give me permission where he's still there and we would go from there. And I drove home just wondering why I had done this, why I had even said that to her. I didn't know this man. I didn't... I didn't even barely have enough gas to even get to the hospital between that.

31:10 And I'm teaching a class in addition to taking my own classes, but I'd said my prayers and I was just saying to my creator why I'm going to take it as a sign. If he's still here tomorrow, I'll keep my commitment and I'll go. I don't know what I can possibly do, but I'll show up. Well, that's what happened, Eric. I went the next morning. Or midday. I just finished teaching my morning class and I went to the hospital. He was still alive and They let me back. Well, I had never seen anyone in acute kidney failure So I didn't realize that the body is swollen and he was and he had the ventilator machine going and and he had the feeding tube he had the bone dry catheter bag he had I central line in his neck he had IV lines he had They had given him blood transfusions previously, but he he'd had every intervention possible, but he just had not Recovered he was still unconscious and the only thing keeping him going were the machines I was shocked that he was still alive But he was so my mother had always told me when someone is unconscious or in a coma speak to them like they're awake So that's what I did. I went up to his his bedside and introduced myself. I told him my name, why I was there. I told him I'd met his mother the night before and that I was here to do some prayer and healing work with him if he would like and I would need his permission.

32:37 Well obviously he was unconscious but I told him if you will let me know I'll just wait here. And I felt a whoosh of air and I took that as permission to work with him. So I very gently took his hand to establish physical contact because that's important. And again, he had like the pulse oximeter and the IV line. So I'm trying to be very careful. He had no grip and no response. And I said in a prayer out loud, an affirmative prayer and giving thanks for this time with him and just giving thanks for our creators. plan for his life and knowing that this was his choice. This is his life, his journey. And I was there to support him on the next steps and what he wanted. I felt a connection with him and I did feel a sense of sorrow and love and care. And, and I told him out loud, I said, you know, it doesn't matter what you've done in this life that The God of my understanding is a miracle working God, and you are loved. And if you are ready to go, just go in love, go in peace. Know that no matter what has happened in your life, you are loved. But if you feel you have some unfinished business and you feel like you want to come back, then then I will work with you.

33:57 And so I. Did some reiki and some energy work with him for about 15 minutes. I didn't feel much energy from him. If you've experienced people in a longer term coma state, you can often sense that they're not in their body, that they're often hovering around it. And that's how he felt to me that he was hovering and he was getting ready to go. Except that at the end of the session, I took his hand again to say a closing prayer. And the words I chose. just that came out of my mouth again were, you know, giving thanks for this time together, giving thanks to our Creator for the most sacred and holy outcome for Him, the healing energies of our Creator, only the highest and best in this dimension or any other. And I don't to this day still know why I said that, but that was significant as well. And I told him again that if he decided he wanted to stick around, I would make him a promise and I would come back. But whatever he chose, he was loved. And I was getting ready to take my hand away and leave when I realized my hand felt like it was almost fused to his.

35:09 He wasn't gripping it because he had not responded, but I could feel it. And I recognized that his spirit was reaching back. And that's when... I realized we've made some contact. So I remember standing there so startled at that experience that I laughed out loud and I said, okay, you're there. I said, okay, I promise you this. If you decide to stick around, I mean it, I will come back and I'll see you through this. Well, I went home that night and I didn't even know what to make of this or what to do or what I could possibly do to help this very critically ill man or even if he would. make it later. I can't remember if it was that night or the next night. I felt his eyes in my room. I felt his spirit in my room hovering. And I thought he was coming to say goodbye, but he was still in the hospital still hanging on. And I kept my word. I went back and I worked with him for 12 days. And in that 12 day period, that's when we had three incredibly unusual things. One was On the day I started my opening prayer with him, one of the things that's important to say is that I would synchronize my breathing to the ventilator with him. And so that would get my heart rate in sync with him, my breathing in sync with him before I began any kind of healing or even prayer.

36:34 I just went into that state. About the third or fourth day I'm there, I've said... i've said the prayer i'm breathing with him before i start anything and that's when i had that shift in consciousness just like being out of my body when i drowned at four only this time. My body is standing there at his bedside and my consciousness is is somewhere else my consciousness is in this place of love like it was before when i was four but this is even different this was even greater than that and i had the perception of being. Surrounded by billions of dots of tiny white light liquid love i call it even though it wasn't wet but it was just just light. Beautiful incredible light and love and and there his spirit was hovering We were there together in this light in this love where he was having a decision whether he was going to leave or whether he was going to stay and And that's when I had this incredible experience of knowing I was like, I know this man. I know his spirit. I love him I've always loved this spirit this person. I didn't know him in this life, but I my spirit recognized him his soul and he recognized me the love was so huge i call it the every type of love there's no way to describe again how that was and there's nothing selfish about it nothing being exposed

38:06 to that kind of love of course i would love to have a relationship like that but the love was so huge that if he needed to go because his body was too unable to come back to My love was so great that I wanted what was best for him, even if that meant we weren't going to have any kind of experience in this life other than this love, and that would have to be enough. Then I'm plunked back in my body, standing at his bedside. He's still unresponsive, and I am absolutely stunned at what has happened here because I don't know this man. I can't even see what he looks like. He's never opened his eyes. He's bloated. He's got tape holding his ventilator tube. everything.

38:48 It's just, there's no way I even know who he is. And so I'm totally shocked because this is the stuff of soulmates, the things you hear about. I can't even fathom how this could possibly be my soulmate. And later when I thought about it, I just felt a sense of anger and puzzlement. It was like, why would I? be shown this incredible love only to have it snatched away what how cruel it felt cruel to me and on one hand and on the other i realized i was being selfish because love still wants what's best and and perhaps that was the gift and later yeah i realized it was the gift that when you have even that glimpse of love that is such a gift and And sometimes that's all we get. But what happened was I continued to work with him. He continued to hang on. We had another very unusual, and I call it a shared near -death experience. I do want to say that because I shared in his near -death experience.

39:52 He's hovering near -death. He's ready to go. All systems are shut down. And I was there with him. I didn't have a word for this and that's where I came up with shared near death and why this is so important now that this term gets out there more because more people are having it is we need terms for things that happen to us. But it's also critically important for verifying things. One of the things, the criticisms you hear a lot about near death experience, even shared death experience, is that only one person is reporting it. So it's easy to say well maybe they had their brain shutting down or or maybe someone had a hallucinated this or maybe somebody is maybe misinterpreting what they experienced in a shared experience such as this you got two people. who had something happen. And you can't just dismiss that. It shows that there's something going on in consciousness that even a person who's not dying can share in with someone who is. So in this case, the man and his name is David made that return. He did come back to his body. Now his body was still extremely weak and also extremely damaged. Well, what happened next?

41:14 And these were the words in this dimension or any other that I couldn't explain what had happened, but his kidneys were were destroyed or very, very damaged from the scar tissue and the kidneys do not regenerate. And this is a medical fact. They might return some tiny bit of function, but they were we were told while he was still unconscious that he would need to be on dialysis for the rest of his life. If he survived this and he would also have brain injury because of the lack of oxygen. Well, one night over this 12 day period after this shared near death experience with this man, I am really. Still just stunned about everything. I don't know whether what's going to happen here. I don't know I just know that I have to keep showing up that I made a promise and he's still hanging on and I kept coming back and one night I'm in my room getting me to go to sleep and As we talked about remote viewing where you can see something somewhere else I have a sense of being in his hospital room my consciousness like the proverbial fly on the wall in the corner and I see what I have called They look like a blue medical team. They look like beings that were solid blue to me and they look like doctors and I saw them on each end of his bed and on each side and what I perceived is for a set of blue holographic kidneys descending into his body with these beings. And I thought

42:48 maybe I might be dreaming or having that fall asleep moment where your mind just has kind of a hallucinatory effect, except that what I call the lead doctor looked up and nodded their head at me so they could sense my presence there in the room. or at least my observation. And so this wasn't that different than remote viewing. And I realized later that that's what was happening, except that I had never heard about any blue beings or this sort of thing. So I didn't know what in the world was going on. The next morning I got to the hospital and I went super early because I was really surprised at this. And I had brought other things and then. tuning forks.

43:33 I brought essential oils to rub on his feet and certain acupressure points there. I had brought the aromatherapy. I brought music to help keep the brain stimulated. His kidneys began to regain function. And over the following days, the nephrologist came in and they said, something's going on here. His kidneys are regaining. function exponentially, and this is not possible. So he was in a Catholic hospital here in Richmond, Virginia called St. Mary's, and the doctors and nurses from that day on started calling a miracle boy. You know, they would pray with him and over him, and then his kidneys continued to regain function until they regained 100%. And this was after documented evidence that the kidneys were scarred, that they could not ever regenerate, and that's why they were calling a miracle boy. And that's important, too, as well. Credibility matters. As I said, I'm a researcher. We have all the medical documentation that have been reviewed by many medical professionals at this point for veracity and accuracy. I'm not a medical doctor, so I want to make sure that I'm relaying things correctly. This is correct.

44:46 So this has been validated by multiple sources. David had an unexplained medical recovery. I called a miracle. He woke up. And then we met in real life. And it was awkward because we were strangers to each other in this life. So we had to introduce ourselves, meet each other. And in the interest of time, our spirits recognized he knew when he woke up, he knew everything about me. He knew he was going to marry me. He knew all of these things that I wasn't sure of, because we still didn't know if he was going to make it. But he did. And he had another relapse and almost died again. But he survived that too.

45:26 And all this happened in September of 2005 through December of 2005. During the time I worked with him, he did make that stunning recovery. He still had a long road ahead of him, but our spirits knew we were brought together for this. And in June of 2006, we were married and we have been married since. ever since. We've been together over 20 years. This experience will be 21 years this fall. He has defied every prognosis, even when people survive what he had. Even if they do, it's usually maybe eight years. He's going on 21 years. His kidneys are still perfect. He didn't have the brain damage that they expected.

46:10 That is so amazing. It is a true healing miracle. And I say it's all in our creator's hands. And it was his decision, his creator's decision. But I came along to be a facilitator and to offer that healing hand to help. And so I don't call myself a great healer. I call myself someone who cared enough to show up, facilitate. And I feel like his spirit called me and I listened. And that's the part that is the miracle to me is that I was healed too in this experience and life was not easy for me and here I never expected that this this would be how I'd meet my soulmate that was never on my radar like this and yet our seeming differences were so just that irrelevant when you have a shared new death experience and you meet somebody in that encounter which was so unusual I'd never heard anything like it we didn't talk about it for Ten years. How could you? I mean, how do you explain all these things that happened? But now we feel like we need to explain more because it is unusual. But people are having these experiences. They need a name and they need to know that love is the most powerful force in this universe. Love. And that's the healing key all the time. And even when people don't come back. Love is so great that I like to say to people that, you know, we know consciousness

47:42 out of the body exists. We know our spirits live on. We know they're in turn eternal. And so if someone has gone on ahead of us, they're just ahead of us. If they're on that other side ahead of us in another dimension. their love is still there. They're just not in our physical realm and that's a loss and we experience that. But if it brings any comfort to know that the spirit and the love live on and are just waiting for us when we go, I think that helps people to just maybe find some comfort. But that's the ultimate thing, Eric, is the most important thing is that love finds people in the most unusual ways and that if we just have some faith and trust that things are working out in our lives, that there is a creative divine hand guiding us, and if we'll maybe listen to it and take that leap of faith that that's where miracles happen. What a beautiful message. A couple of quick questions, and I don't mean to get off where you just left it perfectly there. How was his mother doing through all this? She thought she was there saying goodbye to him. And here this weird person, Scarlett, says he's going to be okay. And so anyway, you said she flew back? She had flown back to California after that, after signing the funeral directives, thinking that was it. She had been out three times, but she figured that was it. So when he

49:12 began to make this unexpected recovery, she didn't know what to expect. And I talked to her. you know, once or twice through because I'm still a stranger. But the doctors were calling her and letting her know, hey, something is going on here. And then after David got better, and then he went out to see his mom. And then that's when he got back and was still ill. But then when I finally got to go back out and meet her later the following year, David and I were already married at that point, we just knew and that was it. So his mother We lost her in 2012. She was one of the most amazing people I've ever known. I feel totally blessed that I had her as my mother -in -law. I just loved her so much.

49:58 So that bond that happened, I felt like I went for her too. So I felt like I was really lucky to just not only meet him, but her too. What a gift. Yeah, that bond doesn't always take a long time. when it's something so significant like that. Yes. But it can happen just sort of from a moment's thing. Tell me about these blue beings that were kind of like doctors. Can you explain any more what they look like, where they were, what the heck they were doing? They look like they would look blue in color to me. They look very tall. They look like a medical team.

50:40 They looked like they were dressed in blue scrubs. everything about them, but they weren't people, although they were human -looking. Their movements were incredibly fast. It's hard for me to describe how they moved, but everything was energy. And years have gone by, but when we spoke about this in 2015 at an International Association of Near -Death Studies conference, at the end of it, I was scared to even talk about it because I was like, I don't really know. We'll think you're you know, it's already a crazy enough story add in this and at the end of the conference That's when one their researchers came up and said we've been hearing about these blue beings all over the world and that's when I began to research that so I am working on a book about that right now Eric because I'm with the focus specifically on healing blue beings because they're There appears to be a group of these beings known in the Native American community, in the Jewish community, and in the general community. And we got to meet some people who have had encounters with these blue beings and near death experiences.

51:52 And that's kind of where my focus is going to be because I mean, I can't say that I know who they are, and I don't know that anyone can. I do not feel that they're planetary -based. I feel that they're dimensional beings, and I'm working on trying to understand that more. But as I've done the research and hearing more and more about them and the healing work that they're doing, it seems to me these are healing helpers from another side, and that's their entire focus. the gift that they're bringing to humanity is a beautiful thing. So I want to, as a researcher, I want to understand it more, you know, and not claim to know because I don't. And I don't think anyone can really say, I can only say the byproduct of this experience is David's kidneys are completely healed and there's no medical explanation for it. I like the term that you used, helpers, because You know, we look at these things, any miracles, as being through the power of God. Well, maybe, just maybe, I don't know, you don't know, but maybe he has helpers that help him do some of these things that we call miracles and that we don't understand. With that, yes. Oh, yes. And that was when I said the prayer in this dimension or any other. I felt like those words opened

53:23 up a portal to to God's creative hand. My puny little human self can't even comprehend what what is out there. When you think there's billions and billions of universes and galaxies and we're just one tiny little one. How could we possibly say we know everything? We don't. Or that we're alone in the universe. Obviously we're not that would be logically Kind of wrong. Yeah doesn't make any sense Scarlett I appreciate your time so much and all of these insights and If people want to hear more about the whole love story, you have a book we met on the other side I'll put a link down in the show notes and Wow, thanks for sharing all this because it's all about hope and love it is. Thank you, Eric Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath .com. If you want to share your near -death experience or if you have questions or comments about the show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.