Renee's NDE at 5 - "I Was Moving Up Into The Sky"

0:03 From the time that they pronounced me that was a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I could see people screaming and crying But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else The only thing that I could feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody. We have a fun guest today, Renee Martin coming to us from Texas. How are you Renee? Great, great.

0:49 Thank you very much for having me. Well, you've got an interesting story and I think it's a good time to remind people that every NDE is different. Oh, I don't need to remind people. I say that all the time. But yours happened at a young age. So memories are, you know, are limited. The most important part is the trajectory that it set you on your life from there. So we'll be going through all that. But if you don't mind, if you could just take one minute and just tell us a little bit about Renee. And that can be anything from where you live or your family or anything so we can get to know you a little bit. Yeah, sure. So I just moved from Montana to Texas to be closest to one of my daughters I had two girls and my youngest is you just recently married And so I came here to be a little bit closer and she's in her 30s early 30s My oldest daughter is in Northern California where I have she's giving me two beautiful granddaughters So she's uh her late 30s So just the two girls and me it's just meet solo, you know I've been going through so many changes and have been doing a lot of creative things that I never thought I would ever do. So the last, I'd say, at least 15 years, I've been doing art. I've been doing a lot of art and it kind of came out of a death, my brother's death. So I've been doing that.

2:18 It's been going great. Right now I'm in 10th place for the Johnny Depp competition that's going on. So I have to be in top 10 to make it to the next round. So kind of fingers crossed. We'll see how that goes. And I've also been right. I've been writing my whole life. I'd love to write photography. I do a lot of photography. I stay busy doing a lot of created stuff. Is that one of your paintings behind you there? Yeah, that's a it's acrylic core in the background and then it's the trees are made with glue, hot glue. So they have a nice texture to them. So everything goes behind it and then the tree goes over top. So yeah, that's a really fun piece.

2:59 Well, the big question that I have for you is this. How do you like your new son -in -law? He's great. But both my girls, this is their round two. So they definitely did it right the second time around for both of them. They're in love with each other. And that's really where it should be. You know, but when you're young and I did that because I'm very young and divorce was a blessing for me. But yeah, he's great both both of them are well I want to go ahead and jump right into it Take us back to when you were just a little girl Wow, you had kind of a rough upbringing family -wise I don't know how much of that you want to tell us about but if you feel like it go ahead and let's lead up to the fateful day Yeah, so I'll try to nutshell it.

3:46 I'm gonna do a little bit before that what actually happened And so I recently turned 60 in January and I just needed to write a story. I just needed to get my life out on paper and I didn't know why. I wasn't compelled to do it, but I just felt like I needed to. I was in January. And I started with age five, but as I started writing the story, I started remembering things that my uncle told me. Uncle by friendship, he was my dad's best friend. He started telling me stories. My brother used to tell me stories about things. And I never put the two together really until I wrote it all out on paper. And it was the most amazing thing I couldn't gift I could have given myself was to write all the trauma out rather than just remember it here and there. I never talked about it. You know, nobody wants to know about it. It's kind of. So anyway, my father, a born and raised Catholic, was apparently, I found out later that he was he was hand selected by a Nixon mafia leader. To be a soldier fighter his his dad. My grandpa was a Mexican boxer in Mexico They are all born. They're all from Mexico US scout scouted him and said hey come and fight for the United States So that's how they got to the United States I guess the Apple didn't fall far from the tree because he was a good fighter and I used to hear that all the time from his brother I just never thought anything of it. You know, I just it's just kind of like

5:16 people talking, you know Until I started putting all pieces together and a good fighter can be a positive thing, you know an Olympic boxer that kind of thing great Yeah, I mean my grandpa was really good boxer. He won a lot of champions in Mexico I don't know how many he did here, but he he boxed I don't know how long he boxed in the United States, but he was a professional boxer He wasn't a street fighter where my dad was a street fighter He used to get picked on apparently a lot and he was the last man standing and so I think that's what caught the leaders eye on him Was hey, we need to they call them mascots. So so we were like we got to go get that guy again on our side So that's what they did age 13. So his life changed Traumatically, you know for himself because I don't think he's a bad person or anything like that You know, I I think that he had a very traumatic upbringing I I found out after doing some research that he was you know I didn't believe it when I when he told me that and then I started writing this story and Then and then I called him again, and I was like I need to get a little more validation You know I need to understand this a little bit more He gave me some more, but I felt like he was resistant. I can't really share like oh She she's going somewhere with this, and I don't know if I want to share all of that my dad's past getting past my father, he went from Catholicism to Jehovah's Witness. And I honestly believe that because the reason why he did that was when

6:47 you are part of this particular mafia, it was the white fence gang was the name of this mafia, Mexican mafia. And I guess that's called blood in, blood out, you know, like a mafia where you don't leave the gang. You don't just decide one day, hey, I'm going to go, you know, peace out. You know, it's been fun. We call it tenure. Yeah. No, not the good, not the good kind of tenure. I know you don't, you know, but yeah, you definitely, you know, if you guess you're in, blood in, blood out, that's, that's, that's a pretty serious tenure. I'm trying to shorten this and not go down the whole path, but. That's okay. You're leading up to the day that you were injured.

7:28 Yeah. Yeah. And, and so I think all of the things he, he had a family in tokes, there was three of us and I was newborn. I believe in so from 1950 to 1966 when I was born In 66 is when he's like, okay, we're gonna go so then he became a JW I I believe he hid behind This religion to hide from them cuz you know, he took us off grid and we've traveled all over the place, but I don't think this I don't think the anger ever left him. You know, I know that because I grew up in this house and me and my brother kind of got the worst of it. He really lashed out. He was very physical, violent. He was emotional. You know, he was also mentally violent, you know, and he very manipulative kind of thing. Anyway, the day it happened, I guess he was having one of those days and came home early. I was five and There was a little boy who lived next door and we lived on a farm where there was nobody around. So we didn't have neighbors. We had like a mile away. You could see a house, you know, like down in the distance somewhere. One of the little boys came home with my sister and two years older and just wait until his dad got home.

8:41 We were in the tent. My sister went to get snacks. My dad came home, found out that I was in the tent with a seven -year -old little boy. And I guess he just I guess he lost it. So the tap went flying. All I remember is we're playing duck duck goose. And and I heard heard these heavy footprints. And I know that kind of energy from him because he's done it. I could tell when he's, you know, in that place, the tent just kind of went flying. And and then I blacked out when I opened my eyes. I was laying on the ground, not in the tent, looking up at the sky. I don't. I don't remember dying or anything like that. I remember when I woke up, I felt like my body was inside of a bell, you know, like I was kind of vibrating. Maybe the voices sounded like they were very muted, maybe even under like when someone's trying to talk underwater or something. And I remember just staring at the sky and the sky seemed to be the focus for me when I was laying there. And I do remember bits and pieces of that because it's most like flashes of little things.

9:43 I remember the sky, I was moving, all of a sudden I saw these floating heads come in. One was my mother, but the other one I thought was my grandmother. What I found out later, there was nobody else there except for my father and my mother. So whoever that mystery lady was, there was two ladies heads and they're all freaking out. But I remember moving past them, going up into the sky. But I wasn't just like, I was moving up. I felt like I was moving. I could see the ground below me. I could see the farm and all of our animals. And then I just blacked out. And when I woke up again, I was being rushed on the gurney down the hallway into this kind of a sterile green room. This black mask goes on and then lights out. So that was the gist, I believe, of what happened. And I call it an NDE because I've never been told you died. I've never been told that. My family, in fact, denied or not denied, but made up a story that didn't make any sense. But I think that because my dad was hiding from this mafia, if they tell him the truth, I don't know if they had CPS back then.

10:53 But from what I understand, I don't know if you can see the scar on my face. Scar kind of goes all the way up and around here. And that's where a pole hit me in the face, which is the only was the pole in the tent. There is apparently some arteries, some pretty significant arteries that run through here. And I had 31 stitches. So I just kind of started putting all the pieces together that way. So I can never really honest, I can't say I have a piece of paper that says that I died. But with all the things, when I came back, when I came back, it was just so different. I started having a lot of experiences, supernatural experiences. Yeah, we'll get to those in a second.

11:34 Some people might ask me, why are you having somebody on the show that just was unconscious for a little while? And the reason why is I think there's more to it than that. And one of the reasons I think there's more to it than that is because of what happened in your life afterwards. But also when people are just knocked out, for those of us that have had that kind of experience, you remember something before you eventually remember waking up. You don't remember going up in the sky and looking down on the farm But you don't remember those kinds of things. You don't remember Seeing a woman who wasn't there and you didn't actually say you felt like you left your body But the fact that you were going up to the sky and looking down Sounds very much like an NDE to me if you say that's what it was.

12:30 I'm just fine with that definition Okay, so you don't need to make excuses or anything else and guess what? I don't need to either I feel like having you on here because I think it's a very interesting, very interesting story. And these kinds of things early in life can change the trajectory of our entire life. So is there anything else that you want to add to that part before we move on and talk about things that happened after? Well, the other things that I do remember before getting to the hospital was being on my dad's lap or on his knee. Like I was laying, my head was laying. And to get to any hospital from our house was probably 45 minutes if he was really, really going, really speeding through.

13:17 And there was nobody else that I can remember in a car. So I can only imagine how much blood came out of a five year old. Also, the Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in blood transfusions, but I would have to say that I think he kind of broke the rule because I can't imagine all of that happening and it's, you know. everything coming out of a five -year -old that way in such a long period of time. So I just wanted to add that little piece too. So I do remember that. I remember staring at that steering wheel because those big steering wheels back in the 70s, you know, in the station wagon. That was the only thing, the last bit that I remember before getting to the hospital. Ah, the big steering wheels back in those days. No child seats. Nobody wore seat belts. No, they were just lap belts only.

14:06 I know we used to often be standing in the car. Yeah, right Yeah back in the 60s. It was normal for a two or three year old To stand on the front seat and hold the dashboard So Renee, if you could tell us just briefly, I don't know if you remember anything about the physical recovery And if so give us just a little bit of that, but then you can go ahead and hop into how things changed You had mentioned as we talked before some paranormal ability kinds of things. So go ahead and hop into that whenever you're comfortable Okay, so after so I was in the hospital for a few days. I don't know how many days I do remember being there and the nurses really hated me because I didn't like needles and they wrapped them unattended They were in the wall, but I remember being in this this huge it looked like a giant crib You know to keep the five -year -old inside But I was there for a few days and then when I came home was the first time I saw the floating head lady. She was in my room and I wasn't afraid of her. You know, I didn't know who she was, but I didn't. My mom walked in right when that happened and she said, who are you talking to?

15:19 And I said, the lady. And I pointed to the corner where I saw her and she said, there's nobody there. I'm like, oh, well, maybe I was asleep. I had to do that a lot. I had to kind of like make things up, especially with my dad. He'd be reading a book to me, pushing me down on the ground for no apparent reason, just kind of like, he just, a light switched, kind of flicked. So I kind of, you know, try to cover up. And I remember one time he did that and I was on the ground waiting for it. And I looked up cause it was real quiet. And he was just standing there staring at me like, what are you doing on the ground? Oh, I think I fell asleep. and fall off your lap. So I had to do a lot of that with him throughout my life. Not just me, but my older brother. I had two other sisters, but they really didn't get messed with. My brother and I were the stronger out of the four. So I think that's why, I don't know, my grandmother told me, well, the reason why it picks on you is because you're strong.

16:17 So it started with her and then it kind of started snowballing into other things where I would know things before they would happen. You know, I was spied, so I couldn't say that those things were happening before or after, but I definitely remember them after. I don't remember that so much before. It got to a point where it started kind of freaking them out and I had to really be careful about what I was saying in the conversation around my parents because I felt like they were going to send me somewhere, not, you know, away. I would tell them. these experiences and they would just hand me the Bible. And it's like, where do I turn to figure out how to make these things go away? You know, like the Bible's not going to help me. So I didn't have a great relationship with God because my dad used religion as his kind of a, when you call it, when somebody is going to testify that it's a relocation thing, there's a war for it. I felt like he was using it for that because he was hiding from the mafia.

17:17 But was it also kind of an excuse for his behavior? Well, possibly because he hid a lot of things, you know, he physically abused us, you know, me and my brother, especially. And we wouldn't go to church that day. We could really get to stay home. Or if people, the elders in the congregation there would see marks on us and they started asking questions, you know, how did this happen kind of thing? Yeah, I'm so sorry. Yeah, thank you. You mentioned this talking head lady, as you called her. I'm not even sure what to ask. How often did you see her? I saw her the one time when I came back. So I saw her floating head. And then when I came back home, I saw her.

17:59 I saw her again. But this time she was in the room, not just hovering above me. But she didn't really even say anything. So she was just there. Fast forwarding these experiences. They would come and go. Sometimes they would be strong and sometimes they would kind of chill out. But there was a guy when I was 16. I was playing out and outside, you know, playing street ball with the neighborhood kids. And I'm so tired, I had to hurry up and get ready for dinner. And I started to undress, but the window was open and it was getting dark outside. So I panicked like, oh, they could see, you know, and I turned around to go pull the blind. And there is this floating guy out my window. And he came around a lot after I saw him. And he was dressed kind of look like he was in like one of those pea coats. I know he was floating. He was, he was just called what it is. He was a ghost. So he was floating outside my window from the waist up because if, if not, then he would have had to been like 10 foot tall to be able to see him from the waist up. And I could see what he's dressed. I could see the hat that he had on. It was real pale looking, you know, but he didn't say anything either.

19:05 He just kind of looked. That's all he did. He kind of just looked at me and it scared, it scared me. because my parents put a fear labor on it. And on top of that, it started calling them demons, which really changes the trajectory of things like this, because you hear of these things happening all the time. Of course, I can't prove any of this to you guys. I'm just telling you the story. So I had to just deal with it. I had to deal with even attacks. I feel like as I got older, I got tired of being free. So I started teaming up with mediums. and paranormal groups just to kind of meet things head on and try to understand what I was experiencing, why I was experiencing it, you know, and how to deal with it. Besides fear, because that's what my family were fearing it. They didn't understand. And I've been asked like, well, are you guys seeing dead people in your bedroom? You know, like, how come I'm the only one seeing them? So this went on my whole life until I started working with the paranormal groups. I worked with them for a couple of years, but it helped me not be afraid. And it helped me help other people like me, which became my goal. So I didn't do a lot of paranormal work after that because the paranormal people, they just want EDU keys that they can, you know, I have a whole load of the EPs. I was on my ghost story because they thought my story, I had an EDU key and evidence of spirit activity. And

20:37 every time I would did the paranormal group thing, they always wanted me to go because I always got the EVPs. I guess because I can communicate or they can mutate with me. You mentioned that you had learned a lot about the why. Tell me what you've learned. Why is this sort of thing happening to you and at such a young age? Well, I started going into NDE circles because I was very attracted to that. I started learning about near -death experiences, but I never really, I hadn't really chopped up what happened to me until later. That this has got to be part of the NDE. And you hear this a lot too. I worked really closely with Terry Daniels, the Afterlife Awareness Conference. She's a good friend of mine. We would talk about this, you know, and she would recant some of the things that others would be talking about that had NDE's. And going...

21:33 Going across the veil is the only thing that really sums it up. We've stepped out of this reality and into another one. Some people come back with very very vivid stories and accounts and others, you know, I think everybody's a little bit different and I know their stories are always different, but but always miracles to me. I'm going to call miracles because these things that are happening are not the norm. I experience it all the time. I'll tell you about To me, this is a miracle. This is the kind of thing that happens to me all the time. It blows my mind. I wrote my memoir, A Walk Back to God, because I left God in the dust. I was really, I was an atheist. And even during all those times where I was doing paranormal work and trying to figure myself out, I never went to the dark side. I always kept myself right on the line. You know, I never stepped over into one or the other. 60 in January turned 60. I wrote 60 ,000 words of my memoir in 60 days at the age 60. So really unusual because I just knocked this stuff out, right? And I just once I started I was hard to stop. It's all I did every day. I just knocked it out. Okay, so I typed the end and this is again the title of the book, A Walk Back to God because I don't... do scripture. I don't memorize scripture. I don't go to church. I have gone

23:04 to church, but I don't don't do the whole church thing. So I go outside the day after I finished writing, I go outside to leave my place to go run an errand. And this note falls from the crack of my door. It was just a handwritten note. Actually, I have it handwritten note. And I opened and it said John one one. And it was a scripture because I'm not a scripture. person I saw, I thought, yeah, you know, whenever some church person put that on everybody's door, right? And so I almost threw it away. And but something stopped me. I put it in my pocket and ran my errand and I came back and I reached into my pocket and I was like, oh, that's right. This is here. So I opened it up and I read it and it said John one one. So I don't know. Are you a scripture person? A little bit, but I don't know that I have that one memorized. So tell me what it is. So John one one says, In the beginning, the word was with God, and the word was God.

23:59 Okay, and I just finished 60 ,000 words about a walk back to God. I should have known that one, by the way, because now that you say it, yeah, I know it now. Oh, it gives me chills. It's like, how? But it's this kind of thing that happens a lot. I could tell you a whole lot of stories. Where did this, where does this come from? And what should I be doing with it? And so I'm with the scripture. all the time now. I'm reading scripture every day. I'm journaling scripture. I'm asking questions about my life and then I'm, you know, allowing the book, the Bible, to just help me navigate through whatever I'm going through. So I've been very, very close to God and the Bible ever since I wrote that story. So I had asked you a while ago about the why. And maybe that's part of that why, but also I'm curious more about why do you think that those paranormal things were happening? Did you have something to gain from it, something to learn from it, in other words? I think that the paranormal things that were just happening, not the things that I was seeking out, right? Is that what you're asking? Yes, starting when you were five years old after this accident. Well, that's a really good question. I haven't really sat and... thought about that well when you turn 61 maybe that'll be the thing to do well i what i feel like right now is i obviously have something that i'm supposed to be doing here i was saved

25:30 i think i'm gonna call it saved okay bleeding out for a 45 minute drive after after being smacked in the face and 31 stitches later i can't imagine how i didn't die i mean really die you know like i don't know how i could have been saved from that Doing research about it was like all the I went to all the AIs, you know What could this you know, could I possibly say been saved from this to me? You know, they all kind of said well, it was kind of miracle. So I'll go I'm not going off of the eye. I'm just gonna chalk it up this I'm supposed to be in there I'm supposed to be doing something Maybe I just found out that that's what I'm supposed to be doing at 60 because ever since I hit 60 Everything's changed. My whole demeanor has changed not just about God just about life feel like I've got something to do.

26:19 I don't know what that is. I ask them all the time, like, okay, what am I supposed to be doing? So I'm going to make a recommendation for you on that one. In my experience, how that works is we need to figure it out ourselves and then go to him and say, is this the right thing? Or is this the wrong thing? I tend to get more answers that way than just an open book like Give me three paragraphs on what I'm supposed to be doing now. Some of us aren't very good at receiving that kind of inspiration. Well, you know, I think that the story itself, it was hard to tell the story because it's not a feel good story and not by a lunch shot. It's a memoir, but I changed a few things. I changed the timelines around a little bit so it couldn't be like a memoir, but 98 % of the things that I wrote about happened to me. The story and the things that are shaping in my life, if I was to say how close am I got to my mission, I'd say I'm pretty close to what I'm supposed to be doing. It just probably took me a really long time to just get here, or 60 was the magic number. I don't know, but - Story's still being written, sounds like. You've looked and done a little studying about NDEs with other people. Give me an idea of what you take away from that. Because if there's not a lot that

27:49 you were able to get from yours, maybe you can pick up some things from other people's NDE's that apply to you. What do you think those might be? I would say one of the main things is their experiences that they have that are, I don't know what the word is, but I don't want to say irregular, sort of irregular. I don't want to say extraordinary, but I think it can fall into those areas. People come back with a, from what I've seen, I don't know other people's, but it seems that they come back with a clary that they maybe didn't have before and understanding about things and how things work here that they didn't have before. Spiritual circles, I thought for a long time didn't involve God, but they always did. So my takeaway is these people now have, they have an extraordinary chapter to their life and how they use it is really up to them because we're still all free will. I used my time, whatever I did with my life, it took me a really long time to find spirituality and try to use what I had positively. There's a lot of people who I think can go into the wrong direction, but it seems like a common thread. It seems like maybe you can tell me because you talk to a lot of people. NDE people don't typically take what they have now that they didn't have before and go to a dark case with it. It seems like they always seem to stay in the light. Do you think

29:21 that that is true? Yeah, for the most part, that is really true. And I think part of why people like to listen to these stories and why I like to listen to them is because even if I don't have an NDE, I can learn from some of the things that you and other people learn from your NDE's. I can learn about love. I can learn about what people call the love of God. I can gain strength in the fact that people who have had NDEs have no fear of death anymore. Why is that? Why should I fear death? If someone who has died and come back has no fear of death, then I don't need to have fear of death either. Right. You don't?

30:07 No. I'm ready. I'm ready whenever he's ready to call me, you know, call me home, but I have no fear of it. I don't go out and do things that are reckless, but I don't have, I don't fear. Not at all. Not even a little. What do you think it's going to be like when it finally is your turn in 30 years from now, when it's your turn 40 years from now? I can't, I have to say that I think about this a lot. I think, I think about it a lot. I hear Andy's, okay. Howard's, Howard Storm. Can you, you know, hardly count that story about Howard Storm? He's been on the show. Yeah. Oh, he was one of the first NDE's and I was like, wow. You know, I really, I really never forgot his story. Obviously, you know, we, if everybody knows who Howard Storm is, you can kind of, you can kind of guess, you know, like, okay, well, that's why it happened that way because his life, the way his lifestyle is. Every single day I have the opportunity to wake up and do something and be the best person that I can be. But the world around us will always come crashing down going, no, you can't, no, you're not good enough.

31:16 So I always think about how great it'll be just not happy to contend with the heaviness of the reality of being here on this planet. And all the and all the negativity that's here that we're we're all daily kind of trying to get through each day on our own Just staying positive, you know, just staying a positive friend of mine. It's not easy So, I don't know if that answers your question, but I I look forward to not having to do that anymore And of course, you know, honestly seeing my family And you're right and it is not easy It definitely isn't. We'll put a link in the show notes if people want to check out your books because you have the memoir that you mentioned and also a novel which I think looks really interesting.

32:03 So people can look those up and I'll tell you what, you get to have the last word. Leave us with some kind of a message of hope in this troubled world that's gonna help us not only have hope but have a better day today. because they listened to Renee. Oh man. That's a lot of pressure. That's a ton of pressure. And I didn't warn you about that. You didn't. I don't have a canned response or nothing. What do I have to tell people today to stay positive? I would say that's the, if you can manage that on a daily basis, being kind and positive is, that's very challenging. It doesn't matter how nice you are. It doesn't matter what kind of person you are. You say as you get behind the wheel of a car, you could be the best person leaving the house and you just get in the car and it's game over. I'm speaking from me specifically because there's a lot of negative negativity around us all the time. Hang on to something that you can snap back to to bring yourself back around and not stay focused in the negative. Especially when you feel it coming out in yourself. Because we all have a little road rage under the surface here someplace when we're in the car You said that you recently started reading scripture What is standing out to you?

33:28 What kinds of what kinds of things are really like Wow? I hope this doesn't I'm gonna say this is precursor I hope this isn't received negatively because there's a lot of controversy that I've read But when I ask God for help we can all say prayers and we can say it out loud So what I started doing, especially after finding that scripture, which I've memorized, like I told you before, I never memorized scripture. Well, I memorized that one. I'll never forget that one. John 1 -1, I'll never forget now. Yeah. And so what I started doing right after that happened was, so I used to do, like I was telling you in paranormal stuff, I used to do throw and I used to do divination and stuff like that.

34:10 I never did it for a futuristic result because I feel like we're all free will and that's always been my basis. It's like, it's more of a guidance that I'm looking for and that's it. So I threw all of that stuff away. I don't have any of those things anymore. I will never buy any of those things. So I had a Bible that I bought for myself years ago that I just never picked up and it's just been sitting on my nightstand and just never being touched, just dusty. So I started asking questions To God and even asked a question to God like is it okay for me to use? This book this way to get some some answers about some of the directions that I'm I'm in and go and I want to I want to navigate Everything has been spot -on. I mean it is it's literally kind of freaky how exact The scripture I happen just open the book and look to the page and look to the scripture and it It's explaining my question perfectly. So it's been it's helping me get acquainted with the stories because when I first started reading the Bible I started at Genesis and I'm like I'm asleep before I get you know past it.

35:20 The book is I don't think this book is this but the Bible is designed to be a read book. There's information in the book that we reflect on and interpretate right. We are interpreting what the scriptures are saying and I think that there's a lot more to the Bible Than people think and so i've been very excited every night i'm excited to go and pick it up And be closer to god and it and it has a whole different meaning now for me I really appreciate you sharing all this renee and we're all on this journey. We're all trying to learn from each other Trying to learn from scripture trying to learn from other sources So, you know What we can be better people now.

36:03 We can be better prepared for the future Absolutely That's all we can do. Wake up today, start again, right? Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath .com. If you want to share your near -death experience or if you have questions or comments about the show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.