Stephen's Motorcycle Accident Leads to NDE in 3 Week Coma

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

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We have a fun guest today. I'm so excited to

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hear from Steven Weber. How are you, Steven?

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Oh, I'm doing great. It's such a pleasure to

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be on today. I'm looking forward to our conversation.

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I'm a big fan of the channel. So let's go. Well

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I appreciate you reaching out telling me a little

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bit about your story and I think we're just going

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to jump right into it after we spend a few seconds.

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Stephen, tell us just a little bit about you

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and then I'll get you going on the story. Sure

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thing. I'm retired now. I've been in IT all my

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life. I'm an engineer and, you know, I was very

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much into it, but now I live in the beautiful

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state of Florida. It's great. I live in paradise.

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I come from New York, so it's pretty cold there.

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Good deal of the year. So I just love it here.

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I live in a great community. Everybody's my friend.

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If I don't come out of my house for two days,

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the neighbors come by with a big bowl of food

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wondering if everything's okay. And it's just

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a wonderful place to live. I have a little dog.

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which I call Stitch after the Lido and Stitch

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movie and she's a doll. Just enjoying life in

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a lot of ways like many people. At this point

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in my life I deserve a rest. You're allowed to

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pick her up and show her to everybody. Is she

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handy? Bitch, where are you young lady? I think

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she's hiding. It's thundering here. So when it's

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thundering she kind of like goes underneath the

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couch. If she comes around later you can show

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her off to the whole world, okay? I will. Okay.

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Sounds great. Alright, I want to jump into it.

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We're going to go back just to 2015. You've been

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a Harley rider for a long, long time. What was

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going on that particular day? I was heading out

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to the Hamptons on Long Island. That's like where

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all the movie stars hang out. There's a little

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barbecue place that I would drive out to and

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have some barbecue and go home. It was a spring

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day, so at the time, there weren't a lot of people

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around. And so on my way back, the road was packed.

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There must have been an accident or perhaps emergency

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road work. And so after sitting there for a while,

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people were going on the shoulder to make a right

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hand turn to get out of. the traffic. So that's

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what I did. And as soon as I got to the intersection,

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somebody came in the other direction, made a

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left -hand turn, someone had let them in, and

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they t -boned me right on the side of my motorcycle.

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For me, that's when the lights went out. I didn't

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know what happened. Next thing is, I knew I was

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laying on the roadway and I was looking up. And

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some time must have passed because all I saw

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was emergency workers all around me. It was surreal.

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And I remember looking around and thinking to

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myself, This day is gonna be like nothing like

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any other day I've ever had in my life. And then

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next things I knew, as I was flying through the

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clouds, I was going higher and higher, and I

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felt like this was gonna be it. Like I was dying.

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And next things I knew, I was looking down and

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I saw, I started coming out of the clouds. And

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then I looked down and I saw a big H with a circle

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on it. And I realized I was being airlifted.

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into one of the premier trauma centers in the

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world stony brook hospital university hospital

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and that was the last thing i remember on being

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on this earth in the real sense for what seemed

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like a lifetime but really it was about a month

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that i was in a coma. So the very first memory

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here you're talking about wasn't really you lifting

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out of your body this is you taking the chopper

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ride okay. So you're in the hospital for quite

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some time. Just very briefly, I don't need a

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full medical history, but how badly were you

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hurt? Well, my whole left side was crushed. My

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left leg was all... It wasn't connected just

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by the skin. It was a compound fracture at my

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hip. The lower part of my leg was fractured,

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my shoulder, my spine. I had a traumatic brain

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injury and I had internal bleeding. Believe it

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or not, that was the most dangerous thing. They

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had to do several surgeries to stabilize me from

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that. And I've lots of metal in me. And that's

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the way it was for a while. It was touch and

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go. I was in a coma for about three weeks, almost

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a month. That was when I experienced. So was

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there one medical event that kind of set you

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gone where you felt like you left your body?

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Well, it was more like it was the coma. I was

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in the coma for a long time. Like some people

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like they'll have a heart attack and all of a

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sudden they'll have this experience. But when

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I was in the coma, I didn't know I was anywhere

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else. It wasn't like there was an event. It was

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like all of a sudden, I was just going on with

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my life. I didn't know anything else was going

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on, like anything was different, although things

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appeared to get pretty strange very quickly.

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But there wasn't one event. The most medical

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thing was my internal bleeding because they couldn't

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find it. And that's what caused a lot of the

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trouble. But what I believe was happening to

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me is I was going through a death process where

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perhaps you transition from your physical life

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into a spiritual life. And you're making sense

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of your physical life in order to understand

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what's happening to you. And that's what I think

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was going on. It's not about the brain being

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dead or not about the heart stopping. It was

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my overall state. I remember showing my medical

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report to my primary physician and he looked

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at it and he threw it down. He dropped it down

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on the table and said, Steve, this is an autopsy

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report. And that's the way it was. I'm sorry.

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This is not funny, but an autopsy report. Holy

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cow. I tell you, when I received the best medical

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care possible, it was. Stony Brook University

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is a university hospital. I graduated from there.

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My mother graduated from there. My daughter graduated

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from there. I was very familiar with what's going

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on. In fact, the surgeon who did the operation

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on my leg told me if this accident would have

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happened six months earlier, that the outcome

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would have been very different. And I also I

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was in pretty good shape. I wasn't a teenager,

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but I have exercised all my life and I was fairly

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muscular. So my body really took a big hit, but

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with the right medical care, I was able to survive.

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All right. Let's dive deeper in. You used the

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word transition. I want to hear a little bit

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about what that was like and where you ended

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up. Well, my first experience in that place was

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what I call learning the language of the universe.

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And what I mean by that is that I was a zero

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on the spirituality scale prior to this experience.

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So I think what had to happen is I had to become

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aware of spirituality and that we were more than

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just flesh and blood. And so the very first thing

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I was taught was about the spirit inside each

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of us. And the way that I was taught about it

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is I was presented with a work situation. And

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I was dealing with this fellow I knew from work.

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But something was very odd about him is that

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he didn't age a bit. And I said hello to him.

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We were doing some computer stuff. I'm a computer

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guy at the time. I took care of him. That was

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it. But then I saw him again and he looked like

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he aged 20 years. And then it took me a while

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to recognize him again. And I said, are you so

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-and -so? And he said, yeah. And he smiled. And

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that was odd. And then I saw him again. And he

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was a kid. And then I realized, like, the game

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was on. Is that I had to guess who this person

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was, no matter what shape or form they took.

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I had to guess. Sometimes he approached me as

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a man, other times as a woman, sometimes as an

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Asian person, sometimes an African person. He

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kept on trying to trick me to not guess who he

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was. And so at first it was like, I would see

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a mannerism or he would use a word and I would

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say, oh, you're so -and -so. And he would say,

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oh, yeah, you got me. But what happened is that

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after a while, I started to sense him a little

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bit at a time, like an energy, some sort of energy.

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And as time went on, we played this game so many

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times, eventually I didn't even need to speak

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with him. I could just sense him being around.

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And I think what I was being taught at that time

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is how to sense spirit, how to see the spirit

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in people that were more than just flesh and

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blood, that we are energy. Then what happened

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is All of a sudden I looked at the world around

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me, that place, with a new set of eyes. I could

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sense spirit in everybody and everything from

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the planets to animals. Everything had a spirit.

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Everything had a unique spirit, but there was

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a commonness and I felt like all of us together,

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all of our energy. make up the spirit, the energy

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of the creation. And that was the very first

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lesson that I was taught. I called spirituality

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101, but that was going to be critical for the

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next experiences I was to have in that place.

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First, I had to understand what spirit was, and

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then I had to take that next step. What's the

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next step? Well, what happened is I had a life

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review. And it's very common. I knew nothing

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about this at the time. But since then, I've

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begun to notice as a life review. And what happened

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is I reviewed my life over and over again. And

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what happens is is that I viewed my whole life

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up until that point, and then my awareness was

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raised. And I would review my life again through

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the eyes of an increased awareness. And each

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time I learned more and more from my life experiences.

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And that's why being able to sense spirit in

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everybody and everything was essential in order

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to have my life review. Because now every situation

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took on a different meaning, because I could

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also sense my energy, but the energy of all the

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people around me. And so I could see what was

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going on in their minds and the reasons why they

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were present there. And it just completely changed

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everything. And one thing is I learned is that

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the most difficult experiences in my life, not

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that I led a bad life, but everyone has trials

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and traumas in their life. those were the things

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that brought me the most bliss. The most difficult

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things brought me the most bliss in my life review

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because as I resolved them, all of a sudden I

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felt better. Like some people see Jesus or religious

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figures when they experience a near -death experience.

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Me, the beauty was not having any anxiety, not

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having any hatred or towards anybody else or

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myself. I didn't have any shame or regret. I

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didn't have any ill wishes towards anybody or

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anything because each time through my life review

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I resolved these things and it was like a burden

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being lifted from me and that brought me true

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bliss in that place. And if it wasn't for me

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being able to understand energy and the spirit

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inside everybody, I would never have had that

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experience. And it wasn't like I had control

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over what was going on, but I had free will to

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think what I wanted to think. The real challenge

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of it was is that there was no sense of time

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there. And so at first I wasn't getting what

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this life experience was about, what I was supposed

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to do. And I went through my life experience

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over and over and over again until I started

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to get it. It was the same thing when I was learning

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spirit is that I didn't understand the guy kept

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on changing forms. I didn't understand what I

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was supposed to be learning. But you have all

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the time in the universe to work this through.

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And when I say all the time is that up until

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that time in my life, maybe I was a 45 year old

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man. But in that other place, I lived a lot longer.

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It really was because I had experienced so much

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and that life review was critical. But when that

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life review was done, I had another experience.

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I couldn't control what was going to happen for

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that next experience. But what it seemed to me

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is that once I stopped learning in any experience,

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I was put on to the next. Once I got the game

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with guessing who this fellow was each time and

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felt energy then I had my life experience after

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my life experience and I stopped learning I wasn't

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able to get anything more out of my life experience

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then I had my next step. Okay before we jump

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into the next step I have a couple of questions

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and comments one is this this game with this

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person from work I've interviewed hundreds of

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people experiencers that's a new one on me and

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I'm trying to process that What do you think?

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I mean, you've mentioned some things you were

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supposed to learn about spirit from that. Anything

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else? Why do you think it was taught to you in

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that way? Well, because I believe, in my own

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interpretation, is my experience was what I was

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going to learn from. And I believe everyone else's

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experience in that place, in that place of transition,

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kind of like purgatory, but not a place of punishment,

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but a place of knowledge. And that I believe

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everyone's experience is different, but they're

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taught in a way that they would learn. Like somebody

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from Tanzania or China with different experiences

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would have experienced things differently. What

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I had to learn first was how to see spirit and

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sense spirit in everything in order to get the

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most out of my life review. So that's the way

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it was taught to me. And that's why I thought

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it was approaching that way, because I knew this

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guy in life, he was a character. You know, he

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was from Haiti, and he kind of like spoke this

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creole that was part French, part English, and

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part something else. So he had to act things

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out when he talked. And so that's what made it

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very easy for me to guess who he was at first.

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And I think that's why it was put together in

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that way to me. Then my life review, if it wasn't

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for that experience, I wouldn't have understood

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how valuable... the difficult experiences in

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life are. Your experiences are everything. If

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I didn't have these difficult experiences in

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life, I wouldn't have learned those essential

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lessons in my life review that was going to prepare

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me for the next steps, but also in life in general.

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If I can't look back now and think, what a jerk

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I was six months ago, it means I'm not growing.

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And that's really the key is that that's what

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that life review taught me in the here and now

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is that you always have to evaluate your life

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at every point in your life to see what you've

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learned, to see where you are. If you're not

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making progress, you have to do things differently.

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I like it. You keep referring to the place. That's

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not a name. Do you have a name for it? Is it

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what people call heaven? Is it is it a tunnel

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to heaven? What is this place you're talking

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about? What I think it is, I think, I've heard

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people since then talk about it like as a way

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station. I think it's kind of like purgatory,

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but without the punishment. It's when you've

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now passed or you are passing, you're going through

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the death process and you are being prepared

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to go to heaven, to go to the next spiritual

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place. It's not a light switch, all of a sudden

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you're alive and then boom, you're in this other

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place. At least that's what I've been able to

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figure out. And so it's a place where you have

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experiences, where you learn and make sense of

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your life in order to pass into spirit and make

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sense of what's going on. And I believe that's

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a time when you notice after people pass, people

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receive messages from them. And I think that's

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all part of that process, coming to terms with

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where you are. and what's going on in what is

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your next step and separating yourself from your

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physical existence, but in a positive way. And

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so that's why I refer to it as the place. I really

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don't have a name for it. It was never given

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a name. I never found a name, but that's why

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I call it the place between here and there. It's

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not heaven or the afterlife. And it's not here.

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It's someplace in the middle where it's a transition

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period for you to learn and grow and and prepare

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yourself. So by the way in your experience did

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you make it all the way to heaven or were you

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in this preparatory place the whole time and

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then came back? I was in the preparatory place

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the whole time because I lived and I think that

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if it wasn't for technology I would have passed

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and I think that's what your body does in physical

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and in spiritual. When you're going through the

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death process, it's preparing you for that place.

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And I survived. In this place. Sorry, that place.

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Tell us what else you were going to jump later

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into a list of some of the things you learned.

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So you don't need to go through all that. But

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tell me some of the other things that you saw

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or felt or experienced there. People are curious

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about that. The very next experience I had was

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I was put in charge of a group of young adults

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who I refer to as kids. And I had to teach them

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a task. And no matter what task I tried to teach

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them, they would look at me and they'd be like,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But as soon as I would

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leave, they would scatter and they wouldn't do

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anything. And then I'd see them later and they

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would look at me like nothing's wrong. And I'd

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be like, come on, guys, what's going on? And

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I start to feel like I just couldn't figure out

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what was going on. No matter what I tried, you

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know, red team, blue team, because they never

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understood that like they did anything wrong.

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And so when I was at my wit's end is I stood

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before eventually what I understood to be my

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higher self. And it wasn't that I talked to my

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higher self. It was that just standing in the

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energy and the grace is that all of a sudden

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I looked at everything around me with a new set

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of eyes and I understood things in a different

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way. And what I understood was that I wasn't

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there to teach these kids this task i was there

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to help prepare them for their first human incarnation

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and i was failing at that because all i saw was

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dopey kids i didn't i went through all these

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experiences very long life review and guessing

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understanding spirit and everything and i didn't

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use any of that i was very ignorant to that and

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once i understood that And that taught me so

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much. We'll go into it later, but at the very

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least, it taught me that perhaps your spirit

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grows through many different types of incarnations.

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And once I got it, then the experience stopped.

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And then I was presented with my final experience

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in that place. Let's hear that one. Well, what

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happened was, is that all of a sudden I was sitting

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at this place, which In my hometown where i grew

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up we call the bluff we overlook the long island

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sounds and everyone gather at the end of every

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day and we talk about all the town gossip like

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who's doing who and you know and some people

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would drink coffee other people drink from red

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solo cups and just talk about the day and i would

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sit there with these two friends of mine and

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i look at the sunset everyday but after going

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through this i don't know thousands of times

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with them. I realize that both of them. my dear

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friends had passed earlier that year. And up

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until this point, for some reason, it didn't

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occur to me that I was anywhere else. I don't

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know. The thought didn't come to me or maybe

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I just don't know. I don't know why I felt this.

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But as I sit there with my two friends is that

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I thought to myself, I want to ask them why they

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are here. But I don't know. I just didn't want

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to ask them. And it went time and time. We went

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over that and each time it got more intense that

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i want to ask them each sunset i want to ask

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them what they were doing here and then finally

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i got the feeling that if i didn't ask them this

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time i would never get the opportunity again.

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What they told me is that they were here to make

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sure i was okay. And i really i didn't know this

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i didn't have any memory of an accident or anything

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i didn't know just go to my mind you know like.

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I'm fine. And what are you doing here? You've

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passed. And then as we watched the sun, the sun

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got brighter and brighter, as opposed to getting

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dimmer with the sunset. And I closed my eyes.

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And then when I opened my eyes, I was in my hospital

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room. And my mother was holding my hand telling

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me I was in a terrible accident, but I would

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be okay. And that was My experience in that place

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is a very intense experience of learning and

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understanding things. Like I had mentioned, I

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was a zero on the spirituality scale. And when

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I came out of this, I don't know, I was shell

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shocked and I didn't believe it was a real experience

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for the longest time. I just thought it was the

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drugs, you know, they gave me and have an active

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imagination. But as time went went on and I explained

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that more in the book about coming to the realization.

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that yes, it was an intense experience and I

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learned so much of it that was going to prepare

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me for what it was yet to come. That was my trip

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to that place, but there was a long recovery.

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I learned so many things about the recovery.

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You get more of it in the book, but it's something

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that completely changed my life in such a positive

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way. It really was. I wouldn't be enough to face

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what it was yet to come without having had that

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experience. Let me ask you to speculate just

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a little bit. Other people that have had near

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-death experiences, some really feel like they

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went to heaven. Maybe that's because of what

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they saw, very heavenly things for people, very

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heavenly people they met and ancestors and things

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like that. Do you think, because your experience

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was a little different than that, everybody having

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a near -death experience is just going to this

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preparatory place, that place, that you did?

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Or do you think maybe some go beyond or... Go

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ahead and guess. Well, it would be a guess. And

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what I would say is that I think everyone has

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to be prepared for going into Spirit. I do. But...

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that's that's steven's opinion because without

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that experience i wouldn't have known maybe if

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you were in heaven or the other place where we're

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going to spend eternity or whatever you believe

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you know maybe they learn it there but that wasn't

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like it for me is that i learned it in this free

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place and i value that experience greatly if

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it wasn't for that No, no, it was so essential

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to me. And that could be why I experienced maybe

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to somebody who lived a spiritual life, it wouldn't

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have been necessary. It's kind of like a preparatory

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school, you could think of it, you know, I had

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to be prepared for what's coming. How did it

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change you? Well, I already alluded to one thing

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is that I now use a life review in my life all

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the time, and that helps me to be a better person.

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But what was very difficult afterwards is my

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son passed away. And he passed away from a drug

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overdose. And it was, you know, obviously it

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was such a devastating thing. I was a full -time

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dad. I really put all my effort into it. It came

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so quickly. It wasn't like it was this long drawn

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out thing. And I had to make sense of what had

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gone on. And eventually I was able to make sense

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of it. I had this dream that my son had come

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to me and everything was all right. And then

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when I woke up, all of a sudden, it wasn't like

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the grief was totally gone, but all of a sudden,

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Everything was okay then and I realized that

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perhaps he was in that place and he was learning

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and going through some of the same experiences

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or similar experiences that I had and he was

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feeling that bliss and everything would be okay.

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And since I had been before my higher self, I

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assume that that would be the same thing for

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him. And perhaps when we met again, it would

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be not as Stevie Weber, the IT guy, or Nick as

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a son, it would be in our higher selves, everything

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would make sense then. And that brought me a

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lot of peace. And so that was one of those things

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that just, if it wasn't for having that near

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-death experience and gaining that wisdom, it

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wasn't even the experience, it was the wisdom

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that I gained that really helped me face that

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and other things which were yet to come. It was

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so critical. Well, I'm sorry about your loss.

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I'm glad this helped you prepare. How old was

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your son? He was 20 years old. He was a championship

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wrestler on a D1 scholarship to an engineering

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school. It just happened so fast. It really did.

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But it also taught me a very valuable lesson.

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And what I mean by that is years prior is I witnessed

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this crazy accident where a little girl was killed

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and a limo driver was killed. A gentleman was

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driving the wrong way on the highway and I testified

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in that trial and it was a very, very big event

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because he was being charged with murder. He

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was eventually convicted of it. And the parents

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were heartbroken and they really had a lot of...

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Obviously, they were heartbroken. They were very

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angry at the defendant. And I saw that up close

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and it made sense to me, obviously. But they

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caught the gentleman who had sold my son the

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drugs and I went to his trial and I was ready

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with hatred in my heart and the anger. But I

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couldn't have hatred. I couldn't have hatred.

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All I saw was a drug addicted kid. And what this

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had taught me, this whole journey, is that I'm

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certain that had to have been in my life review.

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And I learned all those lessons. When I was put

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in the same situation, I could do nothing else

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but forgive. And before I even met the fellow,

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he didn't even have to be sorry. Forgiveness

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was all that I could give. And that I hoped things

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would be better for him. And so that's what this

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thing taught me. It taught me the true meaning

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of forgiveness and not as a virtual. I'm not

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a virtuous person. I'm a pleasure maximizing

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a Harley rider who dresses up in white clothing

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and meditates now. But it really was the truth

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is that it taught me the meaning of forgiveness

00:26:29.589 --> 00:26:32.069
when there's nothing else you can do because

00:26:32.069 --> 00:26:34.049
that's what makes sense. I don't know how to

00:26:34.049 --> 00:26:36.529
explain it any more than that, but it's true.

00:26:36.849 --> 00:26:39.750
Forgiveness is the key, not only for other people,

00:26:39.750 --> 00:26:42.500
but for yourself. I'm going to explain it like

00:26:42.500 --> 00:26:45.900
this. Your heart was changed. Does that sound

00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:48.740
accurate? Very much. And I wasn't a bad person.

00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.180
You know, for somebody to be hateful towards

00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:55.119
somebody who helped contribute to your son's

00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.319
death, you know, to be hateful of that, that's

00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.779
a normal thing. Most people would feel that.

00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.380
But no, it changed my heart. But it also opened

00:27:02.380 --> 00:27:06.410
my eyes to what's real and what isn't real. And

00:27:06.410 --> 00:27:09.390
that's the key, is that we're all here to experience

00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:12.069
life, and to learn from it, and to grow from

00:27:12.069 --> 00:27:15.529
it, and to exercise it in the here and now. Because

00:27:15.529 --> 00:27:18.849
when I had my life experience, excuse me, my

00:27:18.849 --> 00:27:21.750
life review, if I had no experiences to draw

00:27:21.750 --> 00:27:24.450
upon, I wouldn't have learned anything. Like

00:27:24.450 --> 00:27:26.650
some people can go on a mountain, go home all

00:27:26.650 --> 00:27:29.089
day, and that'll be their fulfillment in life.

00:27:29.410 --> 00:27:32.910
And that may be so for them. But really is to

00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:35.470
live life is to make mistakes and be given the

00:27:35.470 --> 00:27:38.009
freedom to make mistakes and to learn from them

00:27:38.009 --> 00:27:40.529
And if you don't learn from them now You'll learn

00:27:40.529 --> 00:27:43.250
from them in the other place and and that's beautiful

00:27:43.250 --> 00:27:45.650
because that will bring you bliss if you can

00:27:45.650 --> 00:27:48.329
do it here You'll find bliss in this world or

00:27:48.329 --> 00:27:50.329
any other world that comes after I believe that

00:27:50.329 --> 00:27:53.970
strongly and the wisdoms coming at us fast and

00:27:53.970 --> 00:27:56.910
furious today everybody Hey, you wrote a couple

00:27:56.910 --> 00:27:59.769
of books because of your experience. The first

00:27:59.769 --> 00:28:01.930
one was called The Place Between Here and There,

00:28:02.390 --> 00:28:05.049
and you have a new one out called The Lessons

00:28:05.049 --> 00:28:07.890
Learned Between Here and There. You sent me a

00:28:07.890 --> 00:28:10.730
list of these 12 lessons. We don't have time

00:28:10.730 --> 00:28:14.029
to spend time on all of them, but I want to ask

00:28:14.029 --> 00:28:16.230
you about a couple of them, okay? Very well.

00:28:16.410 --> 00:28:19.190
May I just mention one other thing? Is that when

00:28:19.190 --> 00:28:22.559
we reviewed my life experience and the trip to

00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.000
the place between here and there. In the book,

00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.640
I go into a lot more details because we only

00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.000
have a certain amount of time, but I kind of

00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.960
like breeze through some really critical points.

00:28:32.420 --> 00:28:34.920
So if you're interested, it's something I recommend

00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.380
because it'll really add additional life because

00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:39.779
there's so many things I learned from that experience.

00:28:40.180 --> 00:28:41.980
And so I just want to share that, but please

00:28:41.980 --> 00:28:44.650
go ahead. Here's the first one, everything has

00:28:44.650 --> 00:28:46.970
a spirit, and you kind of touched on this earlier,

00:28:47.289 --> 00:28:49.630
but I think this is something that we need to

00:28:49.630 --> 00:28:52.069
just think about a little bit more. When you

00:28:52.069 --> 00:28:55.069
say everything, I assume you're talking people,

00:28:55.529 --> 00:29:01.009
animals, trees, grass, the earth itself, planets

00:29:01.009 --> 00:29:03.650
in the universe. Go ahead and expound a little

00:29:03.650 --> 00:29:06.230
on that. Okay, first I'll make this statement

00:29:06.230 --> 00:29:09.849
is, from my experience, I believe that the Creator

00:29:09.849 --> 00:29:12.349
and the creation are one. Okay, that was the

00:29:12.349 --> 00:29:15.650
next one I was going to get to. Okay. And I do

00:29:15.650 --> 00:29:17.390
have questions about that. So we're going to

00:29:17.390 --> 00:29:20.049
come back to that one. So absolutely. So if you

00:29:20.049 --> 00:29:22.670
take a rock and you put it in outer space, and

00:29:22.670 --> 00:29:25.660
you give it the proper circumstances, and you

00:29:25.660 --> 00:29:28.099
wait four billion years and you come back to

00:29:28.099 --> 00:29:30.660
that rock, there'll be life on that planet. And

00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:32.819
I'm not talking about like pond scum. I'm talking

00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:36.299
about intelligent life. They've had their Gandhi's

00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:38.640
and their pole pots, and they're still waiting

00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.559
20 years until fusion energy is going to come.

00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.519
And science will say that that's evolution. And

00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.000
what I'll say is that's the spirit everywhere.

00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.720
And both things are true. There is spirit in

00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.400
everything that's around us. How could that happen?

00:29:53.660 --> 00:29:56.910
How did we happen? That's what I believe is that,

00:29:57.009 --> 00:30:00.670
and from what I learned there is that evolution

00:30:00.670 --> 00:30:04.250
is just the creation in slow motion in people's

00:30:04.250 --> 00:30:07.630
time. We are all that energy and we're here to

00:30:07.630 --> 00:30:10.529
learn and grow from that experience. And so no

00:30:10.529 --> 00:30:13.269
matter where we are, given the right circumstances,

00:30:14.130 --> 00:30:17.210
life will create. And that's what energy is.

00:30:17.230 --> 00:30:21.319
That is what the Holy Spirit is, our souls. All

00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.319
right, let's get to the one you mentioned. The

00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.900
creator and the creation are one. A lot of people

00:30:26.900 --> 00:30:29.900
are going to say, whoa, blasphemous statement

00:30:29.900 --> 00:30:33.180
here, Stevie. So please explain. Well, first

00:30:33.180 --> 00:30:36.660
off, what I say in the book is that this is a

00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:40.259
free, free thought zone. And that's really important

00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:42.740
is that you have to be able to make mistakes

00:30:42.740 --> 00:30:45.160
and learn and grow from it. And so I really,

00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.140
I exercise my free thought and so I don't. want

00:30:48.140 --> 00:30:50.839
to tell anybody what they believe is wrong. I

00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:54.420
bring up many, many instances throughout history,

00:30:54.700 --> 00:30:57.299
throughout spiritual books and religious books

00:30:57.299 --> 00:31:00.160
that we all read, the Creator and the Creation

00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.019
are one. So the question is, are you saying that

00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:07.660
everybody is God and created themself? No, no.

00:31:07.660 --> 00:31:09.400
That's where people are going to freak out. I'm

00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.559
trying to tiptoe around these things. Don't tiptoe

00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.460
on this show. Just say it what you think. Great

00:31:15.460 --> 00:31:18.900
okay i believe that god and we are one that all

00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:21.500
of us together all of our energy together makes

00:31:21.500 --> 00:31:24.720
up the creator is not any one person is the creator

00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.099
someone jesus says he and god are one he's not

00:31:28.099 --> 00:31:31.900
saying he's god at least in my opinion he's showing

00:31:31.900 --> 00:31:35.579
that fact what i believe is that we all together

00:31:35.579 --> 00:31:38.099
everything the planets all make up the creator.

00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.099
If you talk about the big bang or let there be

00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:43.619
light it both says the same thing from a single

00:31:43.619 --> 00:31:46.839
source everything you see is created so if you

00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.059
believe in the big bang which i do everything

00:31:49.059 --> 00:31:51.700
came from a singularity and then everything you

00:31:51.700 --> 00:31:55.579
see was from that. That's the creation and so

00:31:55.579 --> 00:31:59.700
everything we see. Is from that singularity and

00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:02.339
what i'm saying is that singularity is the creator

00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:06.309
that is god and we. are all part of that and

00:32:06.309 --> 00:32:09.809
perhaps as we learn and grow so does the creator

00:32:09.809 --> 00:32:13.130
learn and grow and that's why we're here to learn

00:32:13.130 --> 00:32:16.369
and grow and build our own wisdom as we learn

00:32:16.369 --> 00:32:20.089
and grow and build wisdom the creator grows and

00:32:20.089 --> 00:32:22.869
learns think of all the people here all the things

00:32:22.869 --> 00:32:25.369
that happen i don't believe there's a hand there

00:32:25.369 --> 00:32:29.069
that goes and disrupts things the stage is set

00:32:29.069 --> 00:32:31.529
and we're here to learn and grow. And that's

00:32:31.529 --> 00:32:33.670
why I believe that the Creator and the creation

00:32:33.670 --> 00:32:36.630
are one. And I go into details about different

00:32:36.630 --> 00:32:40.849
spiritual books from philosophers or everybody.

00:32:41.230 --> 00:32:43.529
There are so many examples of how it alludes

00:32:43.529 --> 00:32:46.109
to this. And it was when I began to sense the

00:32:46.109 --> 00:32:49.430
energy in everybody and everything that I came

00:32:49.430 --> 00:32:52.910
to understand this. All right, next up, The Spirit

00:32:52.910 --> 00:32:56.380
Has Always Existed. well when we talk about the

00:32:56.380 --> 00:33:00.039
creation what come before the creation you know

00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.279
is that is that what was that the beginning of

00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.980
time we don't know but just as time goes in ahead

00:33:05.980 --> 00:33:09.480
of us as infinity and we're okay with that idea

00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.539
that time will always exist time will go forward

00:33:11.539 --> 00:33:15.359
it also goes backwards into infinity and so as

00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.599
we take a look at our spirits in the universe

00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.640
there was existence before that i believe and

00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.319
so if your spirit If everything was created in

00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.880
this go -round from the Big Bang or the creation,

00:33:29.500 --> 00:33:31.900
your spirit has always been there. There was

00:33:31.900 --> 00:33:34.619
never nothing. And that I believe that your spirit

00:33:34.619 --> 00:33:37.339
grows through different experiences in life and

00:33:37.339 --> 00:33:39.059
through many different incarnations. We'll get

00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:42.180
into that later. But yes, it wasn't that your

00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:46.099
spirit was born at any time like in 1920, you

00:33:46.099 --> 00:33:48.740
weren't, you were nothing. No, no, you were all

00:33:48.740 --> 00:33:50.579
part of the universe, but just in a different

00:33:50.579 --> 00:33:53.440
form. Well you also said earlier there is no

00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.839
time in that place. So let's try to erase time

00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.579
from this equation. And our little human brains

00:34:00.579 --> 00:34:02.799
have a really hard time doing that. And I had

00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.019
a conversation with somebody recently, we have

00:34:06.019 --> 00:34:08.619
very different religious backgrounds, and he

00:34:08.619 --> 00:34:13.480
was explaining how no we did not exist at all

00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.760
until we came here. That doesn't ring true with

00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.219
me. The fact that we have existed before we came

00:34:20.219 --> 00:34:23.619
here does in what form? Well, we don't know a

00:34:23.619 --> 00:34:26.840
whole lot about that and that's okay. There is

00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:31.760
also quantum physics that would make a good explanation

00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.440
for that same kind of theory. I'm going to leave

00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.719
it at that. We're not going to get everybody

00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.920
to agree today. I would just like to add one

00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.239
more thing to it is that I agree with the, you

00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.119
know, parts of that with time and that Time didn't

00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.539
move there. The only way that time moved there

00:34:47.539 --> 00:34:50.219
was as you learned and grew because that you

00:34:50.219 --> 00:34:53.219
could see the path way how you learn to come

00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:55.880
to the current understanding and that gave you

00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.239
that growth path gave you a sense of time. If

00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.480
you weren't growing things move very slowly things

00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.179
just didn't happen. It was that learning process

00:35:05.179 --> 00:35:07.679
which gave you a sense of time. Just a couple

00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.679
more is all we have time for. Number six you

00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.840
can connect with those in spirit. I believe that.

00:35:13.849 --> 00:35:16.090
But I don't know how to do it very well. How

00:35:16.090 --> 00:35:18.429
do we do that? Well, there are many different

00:35:18.429 --> 00:35:21.030
ways of connecting in spirit and sometimes it's

00:35:21.030 --> 00:35:23.550
initiated by you or sometimes it's initiated

00:35:23.550 --> 00:35:25.969
through spirit signs and synchronicities that

00:35:25.969 --> 00:35:28.690
you experience. And I'll give you one example

00:35:28.690 --> 00:35:31.510
is that one day myself and a friend of mine,

00:35:31.510 --> 00:35:33.989
we were walking on the beach and she was a big

00:35:33.989 --> 00:35:36.489
saints person. You know, she prayed to saints

00:35:36.489 --> 00:35:39.730
and she was praying to Saint Germain, the violet

00:35:39.730 --> 00:35:42.230
flame. It was during the health crisis. We were

00:35:42.230 --> 00:35:44.849
all experienced. So she was praying that everyone

00:35:44.849 --> 00:35:46.809
would make it through and be better. So if it

00:35:46.809 --> 00:35:48.329
wasn't for her, things would be a lot worse.

00:35:48.750 --> 00:35:51.949
But but what she wanted to do was find a piece

00:35:51.949 --> 00:35:55.409
of violet beach glass as a sign that the saints.

00:35:55.630 --> 00:35:58.449
Jermaine had heard her. No matter what she did,

00:35:58.510 --> 00:36:00.389
she couldn't find it. And you were not going

00:36:00.389 --> 00:36:02.449
to find violet beach glass on the shores of Long

00:36:02.449 --> 00:36:04.510
Island. It's just not going to happen. And so

00:36:04.510 --> 00:36:06.789
as we were walking back, you know, she had the

00:36:06.789 --> 00:36:09.590
pouty face on. And then all of a sudden I was

00:36:09.590 --> 00:36:11.510
thinking of what I should tell her to make her

00:36:11.510 --> 00:36:13.809
feel better. All of a sudden this Dalmatian,

00:36:13.889 --> 00:36:16.090
one of those white dogs with black spots, a little

00:36:16.090 --> 00:36:18.349
puppy comes running from behind the sand dunes,

00:36:18.550 --> 00:36:21.269
starts jumping all over us and I'm petting the

00:36:21.269 --> 00:36:23.730
dog and we're wondering where the parent is and

00:36:23.730 --> 00:36:26.050
the parent comes from behind the sand dunes and

00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:27.989
she's running and she's saying, oh, we're sorry,

00:36:28.010 --> 00:36:29.989
I'm sorry. And then we were okay because we love

00:36:29.989 --> 00:36:33.949
dogs. And so my friend asked, what's a dog's

00:36:33.949 --> 00:36:36.590
name? And she said the dog's name is Violet.

00:36:37.129 --> 00:36:39.929
It just caused us to pause for a second. My friend

00:36:39.929 --> 00:36:42.949
Cathy, she didn't get it at first. But I got

00:36:42.949 --> 00:36:45.150
it right away. She was looking for violet beach

00:36:45.150 --> 00:36:46.610
glass. She didn't see violet beach glass. She

00:36:46.610 --> 00:36:49.230
got a violet, a dog named Violet, a dog that

00:36:49.230 --> 00:36:51.190
looks nothing like a dog that should be named

00:36:51.190 --> 00:36:53.909
Violet. So that was it. We said goodbye. And

00:36:53.909 --> 00:36:56.590
I was talking to my friend. I said, that's not,

00:36:56.809 --> 00:36:59.730
how does that happen? That is so strange. And

00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:02.239
I said, we have to see that lady again. So we

00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.980
go walking down the beach a few more times, about

00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:07.280
a month later, and we see the lady again. And

00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:10.320
we go running up to her and we said, why is that

00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.019
dog named Violet? And she says, well, her and

00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:15.280
her son, their favorite movie was Gone with the

00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.960
Wind and Scarlett O 'Hara at one point wore a

00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.199
violet dress and that was kind of like their

00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.639
movie. So she named the dog Violet and spelled

00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.260
it the way Scarlett spells her name. And then

00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:29.679
she told me that her son had died. We became

00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.880
very good friends and and we talked about our

00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.460
sons. How does that happen? Does that happen

00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:39.300
by accident or did her son and my son bring us

00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:42.199
together? Because we still had to come into terms

00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.099
with things and it was all because of a dog named

00:37:45.099 --> 00:37:48.059
Violet. And that's the way, that's one of the

00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:51.500
ways that spirit will speak to you is that it'll

00:37:51.500 --> 00:37:54.059
set circumstances under which you'll learn things

00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:57.199
and then you'll feel and sense the sign of spirit

00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.429
helping you. And that would be one example. And

00:38:00.429 --> 00:38:02.349
there are many other different ways, like you'll

00:38:02.349 --> 00:38:05.789
see a sign. I know my mom told me after my father

00:38:05.789 --> 00:38:08.590
died, all of a sudden all the lights in the house

00:38:08.590 --> 00:38:10.510
were turning off by themselves. The computer

00:38:10.510 --> 00:38:14.070
was turning off and she often mused that that's

00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:16.510
what my father would do. He didn't want to waste

00:38:16.510 --> 00:38:18.730
electricity, so he would turn everything off.

00:38:18.969 --> 00:38:22.389
Just small signs like that that give you an idea

00:38:22.389 --> 00:38:25.710
that perhaps there are people are trying to reach

00:38:25.929 --> 00:38:28.210
to you from Spirit, especially people who have

00:38:28.210 --> 00:38:30.590
recently passed, who are still in that place

00:38:30.590 --> 00:38:33.050
between here and there, and are coming to terms

00:38:33.050 --> 00:38:35.309
with things, and they don't want you to suffer.

00:38:35.570 --> 00:38:38.570
That's what I believe. And so, yes, yes, I think

00:38:38.570 --> 00:38:41.250
Spirit does speak with you. Spirit does want

00:38:41.250 --> 00:38:44.150
to help you, especially your loved ones who have

00:38:44.150 --> 00:38:46.389
passed. That's that story. Yeah, that's good

00:38:46.389 --> 00:38:49.010
stuff. I just wish it was easier. I tell you,

00:38:49.090 --> 00:38:52.050
I enjoy every day. I really do. I just wish I

00:38:52.050 --> 00:38:54.190
could say, hey, Mom, who passed a couple of years

00:38:54.190 --> 00:38:58.199
ago, Let's have a chat today, a real chat. Don't

00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.000
just send me a Dalmatian. I want to sit down

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.360
and have a chat, but that's okay. We can live

00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.400
without some of that. Well, it's a tough thing

00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.139
because like I've gone to mediums and I haven't

00:39:09.139 --> 00:39:11.679
told them that my son had passed and I've only

00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.320
been to a few, but no one ever brings that up.

00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.480
Like, I don't know, maybe it's difficult to connecting

00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.460
with me in that way, or maybe I just saw the

00:39:19.460 --> 00:39:22.539
wrong mediums, but The real point of it is that

00:39:22.539 --> 00:39:25.199
everyone has their own way of receiving messages

00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:28.579
and that once you show that you're open to it

00:39:28.579 --> 00:39:32.079
and that you will hear the messages, it seems

00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.500
like they come more often because they know you're

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:37.519
going to hear it. And so if you start opening

00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.639
up your eyes, you don't go woo woo woo like,

00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:41.960
oh, there's a hummingbird from Grandma. If you

00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.539
just try to look for why you're receiving this

00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:47.949
message at this time, I think it's going to open

00:39:47.949 --> 00:39:49.909
up the gates. That's just my opinion but there

00:39:49.909 --> 00:39:52.889
are many different ways and it's all a wonderful

00:39:52.889 --> 00:39:56.550
thing. All right, very last thing. Love is the

00:39:56.550 --> 00:39:59.789
ultimate intelligence in life and I want you

00:39:59.789 --> 00:40:02.929
to explain that and I want to leave on this topic

00:40:02.929 --> 00:40:06.429
because this is what the show is all about but

00:40:06.429 --> 00:40:09.469
I may rephrase it in a minute so go ahead and

00:40:09.469 --> 00:40:12.800
explain. What i've come to learn is that love

00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.780
can be enabling you can because you love somebody

00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:18.119
or something you can enable them to do terrible

00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:20.639
things are things that just unconstructive towards

00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.239
themselves love is like being a steward to understanding

00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.219
things to know all that's involved in these situations

00:40:28.219 --> 00:40:31.559
and be able to care for somebody and express

00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.920
it in a way that will be helpful and so when

00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.860
you talk about even the. the growth of a spirit

00:40:38.860 --> 00:40:41.840
over time. What makes a dog, a mother dog, care

00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:44.280
for its puppies more than itself? Will fight,

00:40:44.380 --> 00:40:47.940
kill, or die for them? Why? Well, that's love.

00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:51.780
It's smart because it's taking care of its children.

00:40:52.110 --> 00:40:55.710
And so when you take a look at love, it has to

00:40:55.710 --> 00:40:58.409
be smart. It has to do the right things. And

00:40:58.409 --> 00:41:01.409
so the more you understand the world and everything's

00:41:01.409 --> 00:41:03.949
around and spirit and physical, you can express

00:41:03.949 --> 00:41:06.789
your love in a positive way to those people around

00:41:06.789 --> 00:41:09.090
you and even to those people you don't know.

00:41:09.510 --> 00:41:12.409
Because even when I was confronted with that

00:41:12.409 --> 00:41:15.349
young fellow who sold my son the drugs is that

00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:17.780
I felt nothing but love for him because I wanted

00:41:17.780 --> 00:41:20.320
things to be better for him. I knew that he couldn't

00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:22.960
go on doing the things he's doing, and that was

00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.360
the smart part of the love. And I knew he had

00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.460
to perhaps receive the consequences of his actions.

00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.320
Perhaps that's the smart part of the love. But

00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.320
to hope and to perhaps help at some time, to

00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.940
help them take that next step to make a better

00:41:37.940 --> 00:41:40.860
life for them, that's what I mean. Love isn't

00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:43.800
reactive. It's not the warm and fuzzy is our

00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.570
important doorway to love. But love is the most

00:41:46.570 --> 00:41:49.829
important part of why we existed. I see the wisdom

00:41:49.829 --> 00:41:52.329
in it. I'm going to just add something to this,

00:41:52.329 --> 00:41:55.610
if you don't mind. From love is the ultimate

00:41:55.610 --> 00:41:58.809
intelligence in life, I want to say love is the

00:41:58.809 --> 00:42:02.150
ultimate power of the universe. I think it's

00:42:02.150 --> 00:42:05.389
what everything revolves around. It's the gravity

00:42:05.389 --> 00:42:08.769
that holds it all together. Love is what makes

00:42:08.769 --> 00:42:13.269
God, God. Love is why we do the majority of things

00:42:13.269 --> 00:42:16.659
in this life. Those that we would say are off

00:42:16.659 --> 00:42:21.400
track or are led by Satan or devil or whatever

00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.639
you want to call it are acting more out of hatred

00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.119
than out of love. Let's get back to love. Gee,

00:42:27.380 --> 00:42:29.679
I can hear a Beatles song about to play right

00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.360
now in the back of my head. And I'm sorry to

00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:35.619
be so sound so trite. No, I mentioned that that

00:42:35.619 --> 00:42:38.119
was that was an important time in our human existence.

00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.940
For the first time, we were able to to communicate

00:42:40.940 --> 00:42:43.079
around the globe. And what was the first thing

00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.800
that came was John Glennon singing, you know,

00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:47.980
you know, all you need is love. All you need

00:42:47.980 --> 00:42:51.849
is love. And my friend Cathy, who I wrote the

00:42:51.849 --> 00:42:54.210
book with, she tells a story about her mother

00:42:54.210 --> 00:42:56.789
coming to her and Cathy wanted to know what she

00:42:56.789 --> 00:43:00.590
had to do in order to be with her in the future,

00:43:00.710 --> 00:43:03.389
like what religion should she do or how she should

00:43:03.389 --> 00:43:07.050
behave. And her mother said to her in this dream

00:43:07.050 --> 00:43:10.570
that it's all about love, it's all about learning.

00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.219
why love is the way, why it's over hatred, over

00:43:15.219 --> 00:43:19.599
revenge, over grief, over everything. If you

00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.159
replace all those emotions with love, you'll

00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:24.179
understand the true meaning of life and you'll

00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:25.739
find peace in this world and any other world

00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:28.179
that comes afterwards. And I believe that so.

00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.260
Amen to all that. Stephen Weber, thank you for

00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:33.900
being with me today. If people want to find you,

00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.900
it's betweenhereandthere .org. Thanks a lot,

00:43:37.059 --> 00:43:39.360
Stephen. Thank you very much. I wish everyone

00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.159
peace and I hope you find your way and find peace

00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:43.719
in this world and any other world that comes

00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.760
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00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.059
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00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:08.280
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