"I Saw God and Jesus" - Lynn's NDE - Drowned While Surfing

0:03 From the time that they pronounced me that was a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I could see people screaming and crying But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else The only thing that I could feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. I'd like to welcome today our really special guest, Lynn Arches Rapaport. How are you, Lynn?

0:45 Good. Thank you for having me. We've been threatening to get together for a long time. I'm glad we can finally do it today. Today's good. A good day to do it. People are going to love to hear your story. I'll just tease it a little bit. It has something to do with surfing and the ocean. And that all sounds wonderful. Before we jump into it, let's just get to know you a little bit. If you don't mind, tell us about Lynn. Okay. Well, I live in Massachusetts. I'm a mother of three and a grandmother of two. So my three children are adults and they're mid, early, mid thirties, soon to be 40. And my grandchildren, Seven and two and I'm also a teacher. I've been teaching and mentoring teachers I teach chemistry and math and I've also Mentored teachers over the years and phenomenology and I believe it was Bridget cook birch that Referred you to us and we appreciate her for that She was great. She was on the show about a month or so ago and and really Beautiful she has an amazing story beautiful work that she's doing just a beautiful human being. Yeah Well, that's why you work with her, right? That's right. I Can't imagine working with anybody else unless they're beautiful human beings All right. Well, I think we ought to jump

2:15 right into it. Take us back a few years Tell us where you were and what led up to that faithful day. Yeah a few years boy. That was probably almost 50 years ago, 48 years ago. I was trying not to expose that side of you. Thank you. I appreciate that. But the truth is the truth. And I was surfing with my boyfriend. We were in Puerto Rico. He had already gone out. He was surfing and I was kind of new at surfing at that time. So I took my time watching the waves, kind of snorkeling around to see what was on the bottom.

2:56 of the ocean where we were staying. So when I went out, I misjudged the waves, and I got caught on an inside set of waves, which means that, you know, waves break in sets. They might come in four, six, or eight. There might be a kind of a lull in between the waves, making it seem like maybe there's only four waves to a set. and which is kind of what I had misjudged, thinking that there were four to six waves to a set, and there were actually about eight to 12 waves a set, and they were pretty big. I thought they were about four to six feet, about shoulder height, which is about what I could surf, but they were much bigger, and they were very, very powerful, and they call Puerto Rico Little Hawaii because it's very similar. reef bottom and the, you know, the thickness of the waves. So when those waves really hit you, feels like a ton of bricks are falling on me. I got pushed under the water and basically I had a, it was a drowning experience that I had had. And I was pulled up out of my body. And when I was pulled up out of my body, I... could see what was going on below me and I could also see in front of me my father that I grew up with. I could see a tunnel with a shadowy being and I could see Jesus on the other side of the tunnel and then there was this white very

4:27 white light that was it kind of reminded me of lightning but in that moment when I was experiencing it I felt like this is God this is the all -powerful and I was put on this bench that I was kind of hovering over an old old rickety kind of a bench and I was put in front of a old -fashioned white screen with a projector that was in back of me that was showing me my life review from that moment all the way to I was told by this voice That it was my time to be born and I didn't want to be born and they had said but you had asked for these parents for the lessons that you needed to learn and then At that time I was thinking well, maybe it might not be too bad to go through that tunnel and Then I was told that it wasn't my time And then I was shot back down into my body where I was told to go back and tell everybody to share the story that I had experienced and to also tell people that I am that I am. So that, I mean, that's a little bit of a short version of the experience. There was a lot of, I would say phenomena that, I mean, looking back, I can say that it was kind of a phenomena that I was experienced, just the warmth and the love that

5:58 was so overwhelming because I grew up, you know, with my father thinking that he never loved me. When I was in front of Him and I was experiencing His beingness, I just felt this immense love coming from Him. And it was really very confusing for me because I thought that He never loved me. And then, of course, there was love coming from Jesus, and I always felt that I was loved by Jesus. And then there were these entities or beings that were down at the end of the tunnel. And they were kind of chanting and saying, you know, through telepathic, asking the question, is she coming? Is she coming? And this shadowy being that kept walking up and down the tunnel that I saw where these beings were at the end of it would come up and ask my father, is she coming? And then he would look over at Jesus and Jesus would say, patience. And then he would tell the shadowy being, not now, and then he would go down and tell this group of beings that were waiting for me at the end, asking, is she coming? Is she coming? That experience, observing that happening, I would say probably happened three or four times. As I'm viewing my life review also in front of me, as I'm also seeing people gather below trying to rescue me, somebody had

7:29 yelled. Hey, there's a woman over there drowning. Let's go save her. So there's about four people, four to five people that had lined up, risking their lives to go out into the ocean to save me. When I was brought back down into my body and then I popped back up out of the water, there was a young gentleman who said, you know, give me your hand and had passed me down, down the chain of people that had formed. and laid me on the ground and somebody had called my boyfriend out of the water at that time and he had come up to the beach and I was trying to talk to him about what it was that I was experiencing and he had gotten his head kind of close to my face and said, don't ever tell anybody that because they'll think you're crazy and lock you up in a mental institution. Ah, the 70s and 80s, where everyone thought you were crazy if you said something about your near -death experience. I appreciate the short version, but I want as much more detail as you can also give us, if you don't mind. Sure.

8:40 And then we'll come back to what happened in the saving portion. Does that sound good? Sure, yeah. I can relate to these waves, okay? When I was a kid, I lived in Hawaii. I got pounded by plenty of waves. And there are times where you're being held down. There are times where you're trying to swim towards shore and you're actually going backwards out. And it's really easy to panic. It's really easy to get afraid. In the sort of act of drowning, how were you feeling? Was it fear? Oh, for sure. There was a moment where I realized that, oh my gosh, I'm drowning. And if I get pushed under and I go in one of those caves, I'm never gonna be able to come back up. And I remember praying, please God, don't let me drown. Please let me get out of this. I felt like, I mean, I just couldn't breathe. I couldn't catch a breath. Every time I would pop back up, I was gasping for air. And there was this kind of rocky cliff that I was thinking that if I could just get over to this rocky cliff and climb up it, then I'll be okay.

9:57 And finally there was a wave that did come. and push me up against the cliff. And I was climbing up it. And at the time as I was climbing, there were sea urchins. It was just loaded with sea urchins and shells and all these. I could hear the sea urchins cracking off into my body and the wave. And I was praying, please, God, don't take me. I'm not worthy to go. I haven't done enough in your name. Please don't take me. And it was at that moment that I was pulled up out of my body and I Was I remember Observing that I was three. I was like these three entities.

10:38 I Was the space that I could clearly see I mean I was like an observer observing all three of these entities I was this kind of face I could see my body below drowning trying to get out of the waves and trying to climb up this this reef with all the coral or sea urchins and then I saw This kind of like a cloudy version of me immediately go over to the divine to this light that reminded me of like a a sharp lightning bolt and and sit right away on this or at least hover not really said but hover over this bench and I just remember it kind of Experiencing that for a split second and then my face entity joined this cloudy version that I call the spirit. I mean, I feel like that was my spirit self joining the divine right away. And then there was my soul and my personality that had left my body and separated from my spirit and then joined it again because I wasn't dead or I was hovering on whether I was going to die or not, I guess, and then seeing my physical body. Also at the same time, I mean I was seeing in my life review Just little things I might have said or did that Might have made people uncomfortable and what

12:09 I could I just remember feeling this icky feeling in my in my stomach even though I didn't have a stomach but Because my physical body was on the ground that I just remember feeling kind of icky about some of the things that I might have said to somebody to hurt their feelings or to do. And then I just felt like I had this whole vision of what was happening at the same time. All this stuff is going on at the same time that I'm aware of it. And then I was aware that there were like animals from Africa, like giraffes and lions and tigers and they just all were running. and they were running away from a fire. And then I remember seeing women and children, they look like they might have been from India, and that they were dying because they didn't have clean, safe water to drink or to cleanse themselves with. And so when I came back into my body, of course, I'm just overwhelmed.

13:12 And I just remember the first thing that I said to my boyfriend was that I saw God in Jesus. And what was his initial reaction? Was that the crazy or did something else hit him first? I think the fact that he said that I saw God in Jesus, I think that was his initial reaction. And then trying to mumble other things that I had experienced, his initial reaction was, people are going to think you're crazy. Don't tell them that. They'll lock you up. I mean, back then people would have Obviously, I thought I was, you know, crazy. Tell me more detail about seeing God in Jesus. So Jesus was, I mean, all of these entities that I experienced, except for God, who was this light, lightning, white light. Jesus was kind of in a cloudy formation, kind of floating next on my right hand side, next to the tunnel.

14:16 And he wasn't the Christ. I remember him as Jesus. Jesus as the young man that I had learned about in my catechism classes. And then there was my father. And so Jesus was dressed in these cloudy type of colors that were all kind of coming together and gold and blue and pink. And my father had more of earth tones of brown, light brown and tan. And then there was that shadowy being that had a real clear Elvis type of hairstyle. And he seemed to know my father, actually, the two of them. Energetically, I could feel like they knew each other. There was something there that connected with the two of them. And who was that?

15:11 I write about that in my book, actually. I don't discover that for years and years and years until afterwards. But I go into great detail in my book about who that shadowy being is. But I mean, I was kind of afraid. I didn't know what I was going through. I was like, you know, I'm scared. Jesus was like, I was getting the message from him. Everything's OK. It's OK. It's okay, and it was just such a warmth of love That I was feeling I just felt like I was totally surrounded by warmth and love and that I could just kind of let go and not Be afraid not you know to be okay with whatever was going to happen which In that short amount of time towards the end.

15:58 I felt like okay All right, I can do this can walk down that that tunnel and that's when I was told that It's not my time and I have to go back and share my story with everybody and tell everyone that I am that I am What does that mean? I am that I am exactly. What does that mean? I mean that took Pondering on that for years and years I mean you grow I grew up the bush the burning bush right talking to Moses But I think for me what that means is I am that I am is that God is everything, is all one. We're a part of God. We're a part of each other. We're all related. We're all connected. We're all one.

16:45 Whether it's spiritually, physically, physics, you know, if you look at physics, chemistry, biologically, but all sentient beings, all are connected. It's kind of like a big spidery web and we can feel what's going on energetically from one side to the other. We all know vibrationally and energetically that there's something else there besides just us. So for me, I am means that I am God. I am connected to God. I am just a drop in the ocean and that God's the ocean and I'm a drop along with many other beings.

17:30 Hmm. That's really cool. You mentioned that there were beings at the end of the tunnel that were chanting. What's your insight on that? Who do you think they were and what did they want? I think they were a welcoming committee, kind of welcoming me there. If so, they were relatives, ancestors, or friends that I had known from somewhere in my past before that had all come together to welcome me to wherever it was I was going to be going. Were they disappointed that you weren't able to go at that time? I don't know to be honest. I don't think so. As soon as I thought about joining them, I was gone. There wasn't any other time for me to pick up. what else what's going on what my father might have thought what Jesus or The shadowy being or the entities at the end of the tunnel I'm wondering about a couple of things in your life review also. I've had these explained to me so many different ways But the whole idea of a screen where you're seeing things is kind of universal and the screen may look different to different people but what You don't need to get into any things that maybe you feel bad about, but what kinds of things were you seeing and what kinds of feelings were you experiencing guilt? You

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22:13 off the rack and stole it and put it in the the baby carriage, well, we got caught. And because she was Hispanic and I was white, she was found guilty and I was found innocent. And just how that slowed up her life and made it difficult for her. But yeah, those are, I mean, those are probably the three big, big ones. And then the other thing was, I think for me, was this, I, because I was so angry at my parents. It was a very dysfunctional family. My mother was an incest victim, you know, never, never really recovered from that. And my father I grew up with was an alcoholic. And, you know, they were two traumatized people trying to raise children together without having worked through any of their trauma. And there was a lot of anger, there was a lot of hitting, there was a lot of yelling.

23:14 So I just remember when I had been told that I had chosen these parents, that was huge for me. That I had actually chosen these parents because I needed to incarnate through them in order to learn the lessons I needed to learn, which were resilience and perseverance for me in this lifetime. So I looked at them totally different, more compassionate, and I understood that they were trying to do the best that they could with the tools that they had. Not that that excused some of their behavior towards me, but it made me understand that I could have compassion for them because I understood that they had limited resources. They were doing, I mean, the fact that I had, you know, eight children had a roof over their head and food in their stomach, that was huge. You know, my mom growing up used to always say, be lucky you have a roof over your head and food in your stomach. And it was right.

24:22 That's all they could really do, you know, is really be able to do that. Tell me how you came to this realization. Was this something that Jesus told you or? How did you come to know this thing about your parents and how you chose them? That was part of my life review. That was the end of my life review where I was told by this voice, I don't know if it was God, I don't know if it was an angel or Jesus. I don't think it was Jesus because when I was experiencing Jesus in my near death, this was Jesus the teacher, it wasn't Jesus the Christ. I just was told in my life review that it was time for me to be born and I had asked for these parents. That's when, and it took me, I'm not saying I came to it overnight that all of a sudden, I mean it was very confusing. It took years and years and especially during those times of the 70s and 80s where, I mean I didn't even know, you couldn't even get a book that you could. Find out that it was a near -death experience because that word had not even been coined by Raymond Moody yet It wasn't until the 70s mid 70s. I think that Raymond Moody coined a near -death experience Yeah That's true. It was mid 70s. So did you grow up? Catholic you mentioned Catholic school I did My mom converted to being a Catholic and

25:56 we went to catechism. I went to catechism. I went to a Catholic school until fifth grade and then public school, but then had to go to a catechism class every Friday. So I'm just curious of the things that you experienced, especially being out of body and the things that you saw and experienced. Were they in line with what you had learned in catechism? Were they different? Is this part of why it's taken you so long to process all of this? Yeah, that's a really good question because one of the concepts that I had struggled with for years was, is this a memory? Is your brain trying to remember their last memories before you die that's imprinted? as you're going through this experience, is that just some memory that's still living? And I don't remember, I mean, it might've been, I don't know, to tell you the truth. I mean, the only thing I knew about the I am that I am was I had vaguely heard that that's what the Bush told Moses, and that Moses, the Bush, The burning bush was God. I mean, even to this day, you know, is this really what I am that I am means? I mean, a lot of people

27:26 have different ideas about what it means to them. And I think as an individual, it's different for everybody. But I think that I was able to embrace that it was something that really happened to me because of my upbringing as a Catholic. because of my belief and because I believe that Jesus was always with me. I knew that I was always going to be loved no matter what. I feel that that helped me make it real, that experience real to me. But it took a long time for me to be comfortable, to be able to talk about it because honestly, I didn't know if I was going crazy, if I was making things up or if I just was imagining all this as part of, you know, drowning or, but then after I did, you know, my research and I mean, over the years, I've done a lot of research and I became a member of IONS, the International Association of Near Death Conference. I've had three PhDs. Students do studies on near death experiences. Anyways, it's worked out to where I've It's like you said, I've kind of ticked off all the little spots that make this known that this is what other people have shared with similarities that this is a near -death experience.

28:54 I might not have died on the operating table and been out of it for 20 minutes or something, but my experience was definitely an out -of -body. Experience that I probably was taken out of my body before the actual drowning incident, but I definitely was drowning. Oh Yeah, and that happens a lot when there are things that are really traumatizing ways of dying Horrible traffic accidents things like that. I hear this all the time so that you don't necessarily have to experience all of it Alright, I want to get back to physically what happened with the people that saved you and stuff. But before I do, was there anything else from the experience you wanted to fill in that I didn't ask about? I think I pretty much got everything. Hey, you did great. Thank you.

29:45 Okay, so these wonderful people decide we're gonna go out, we're gonna save her. How did that work? It was like it was in slow motion because I was observing. People coming down running down the beach coming together lining up creating a line because they had to go out up, you know on this rock that I Was getting banged up against that I had climbed up to a point and then was taken out of my body But when I was thrown back into my body and I was washing up against the rocks They had formed a line and this probably a surfer Said, you know hit give me your hand when I pop back up out of the water and then they Just kind of toted me down the line and then the last person Which happened to be a woman actually kind of carried me over to the sand and I just remember laying down on the sand and A woman with a white towel came up to me and she was trying to give me this white towel And I said, oh no, I don't want to get blood or anything all over it. I mean, I didn't know what I look like. So she goes, No, no, believe me, you need this more than I do. And then I just kind of fell on the sand. And then that's when my boyfriend came in. And I tried to tell him what was happening to me. And then I just passed out. I remember hearing somebody say, call the ambulance, call the ambulance. So an ambulance came. And then

31:18 I was brought to the hospital, kind of unconscious eventually. I woke back up as the doctor and my boyfriend were kind of talking over me, thinking that I couldn't hear them and stuff. And I woke up, kind of stayed there for a few more hours to make sure that I was okay and that he had recommended that I go back to the States to get away from the moisture because I had some deep wounds that were on my body that would heal better in a dryer. climate, but we had been there for probably four weeks. We were going to be there probably for another couple of weeks. So it was going back home a little early. So long trip.

32:05 Okay. This next question, this is really not important. I'm just curious. You mentioned sea urchins all over these rocks. Did you get the quills stuck in your skin? I did. Yes. Okay. For people that haven't experienced that, how do you get rid of them? Well, you know, they they actually were broken up underneath my nails Type of thing they had broken off in my skin And when I of course when I was experiencing my life review, I mean there was no pain. I couldn't feel anything until That moment on the rock where I could hear the crunching and the breaking off and feel it but when I was put back in my body I Could feel where all these urchin Sea urchins had broken off their spines had broken off into me and so in the hospital the doctor pulled out underneath my nails because he you know, they were wondering if my nails were always kind of pink and red like that or if that was due from the You know the puncture of the sea urchins and stuff But you just pull them out Okay And maybe there's different kinds of sea urchins.

33:15 I don't know but I know that quite often these quills They go in like let's say in your knees or something that that hit them and They're often in far enough and they're kind of barbed that they can't really be pulled out and They actually absorb and go away after a few weeks or months Well, I had some in my back and those I know there's like a little kind of a hook I think at the end of the quill Yeah, they're kind of They're kind of barbed. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So I don't think they went in that deep. It was just underneath where the fragment of the quill was broken off and embedded in me and in my skin and in my legs, my back and stuff. I don't remember that I actually a quill went all the way in to where it was going to make it difficult to pull all the way out. Anyway, very often they do.

34:10 They go in, they break off, and then the top is below the skin. It's not worth digging around to pull them out because they do actually go away on their own, but it is not pleasant. Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know they actually went away on their own. That's good to know. When we spoke previously, you used the term, if I remember right, this was more real than real. Do you still feel that way and what did you mean by that? I think what I mean by that. I mean after all these years It seems so vivid I can remember everything our memories start to fade But this particular or you know our experiences unless it was so traumatic though You know we remember and maybe that's why I remember because this was pretty traumatic but it just felt like that What I was experiencing was more of a reality of what I experienced here in my body on earth.

35:18 It seemed to be more real. It was more real to what I could relate to than what oftentimes I can relate to here on earth. I mean, there was so much love and warmth. that I was, my whole being was in to be surrounded by that. And here on earth, it's almost like it's one of those rare things you meet somebody that is sincerely filled with kindness and love and you want to be around them. And you can't be around them because they might live halfway across the world or something and you get to experience them for the moment. But this was a moment that felt like it always is like this. always like being in this pure love all the time that exists in one place. And here on earth, it feels like, you know, we're looking, you know, most of us are always looking for this. You know, we're looking for that love. We're looking for this person, you know, to kind of give us that love and to make us feel loved and to make us feel better as opposed to being in this environment. or this experience that I was in, that it just felt like this is the way it is all the time. And why wouldn't I want to be in a place like this that is like that all the time? I think that really brings a lot of comfort to people. If we've lost a loved

36:49 one, people might say to us, oh, they're in a better place. And they mean well by that. It sounds so trite. but they mean well and I think what you just explained helps them realize it really is better in so many ways and it's okay if they're gone and that we're gone someday. How much fear of death do you have? I don't have a fear of death. I don't want to have pain. I think we all have kind of fear of pain, but I don't fear death at all. I feel it's something to look forward to and to work for because I feel like that we are spiritual beings having a human experience and that we've come here to learn our lessons. And because I believe in reincarnation, I mean, I think it takes many lifetimes to get it right. And so I think that we have an opportunity to be able to learn as much as we possibly can about compassion, kindness, and love, and how to treat each other, and not just humans, but all sentient beings, Mother Earth, the birds, the ants, you know, of just being kind. From those experiences, we're preparing this in -between place between death and rebirth. So one other question. I hear from time to time about reincarnation

38:22 from people that I talk to. I also talk to people that don't believe in it. I want you to explain something for those that believe in it as they're talking to people that don't believe in it. Let's kind of fill that gap and also the opposite of that. Do you know what I mean? How do we make a bridge between these two beliefs? And that's a good question. And well, I think for me, and I do know people, I have family members, I have friends. I mean, I have a son that doesn't believe in reincarnation. He'd like to believe in it.

39:02 But I think just sharing our stories, we all have our own individual stories and experiences. And that I find oftentimes by just listening to each other, that there's a bridge. that we can come together and share. For those people that don't believe in reincarnation, basically they're, I think they're just saying, this is it. This is the end of it. You know, I don't know where I'm gonna go, but there's nothing after that, you know, whatsoever. I think for me and for people that believe in reincarnation, it gives us hope that our consciousness is going to continue. And that also too, that we're going to be available, that we're still going to be available, even though we might not be in the physical plane, but in the etheric plane or the afterlife, that we can still be available and help those people that we, on earth, our loved ones or our friends here on earth also too, to kind of help make the right choices and help them on their journey of learning. I mean for me I'd like to think that this is not just it and what I experience kind of confirms it for me that there's much more than this. It's not just this physical plane. I really do firmly believe that we are spiritual beings and a physical body learning our lesson. Whether you believe

40:34 that you get a one -time shot and that's it, I just think that the lessons that we have to learn because of our 12 senses that we experience, it's hard to not experience all those senses or wanting to experience those senses and then have to learn that, oh, you know, it's not good to be drinking all the time and become an alcoholic. And maybe that might carry over into the next life that you have to learn that I need to clean that up. What do I need to learn to where I don't get swayed by that? Sense when I'm in my next life. I think so many people believe what you have just explained But they don't call it reincarnation.

41:20 Does that make sense? What would it be called? An afterlife an eternal life a life that keeps going on in some form or another that we don't really understand and there may be an afterlife that Doesn't necessarily include coming back to this earth to do it again, right? Right. So is that reincarnation or something else? I don't know. I don't really care. It's okay. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. I appreciate those insights. How's the writing of your book coming along? I actually have two books now that are finished. My book about my memoir and my near -death experience in DNA and Tangled is finished. It's with Steiner Books Publishing. And I just finished a children's book on discernment. I'm working on another book about the 12 virtues. You're busy. Try to be.

42:20 Any last thoughts you want to leave us with? Yes. Please go to my website and sign up to be notified about Entangled at LynnArchesAuthor .com. And if you want to shoot me a message you can email me at Lynn arches author at gmail .com Will stick your contact info in the show notes so people can look it up in case they're driving right now We don't want to be responsible for any crashes or any near -death experiences. Thanks to our Efforts today. Anyway, Lynn, I appreciate you being with me today. I think we've all learned something. I hope so What have you learned Eric?

43:06 Oh my You know, I don't want to say it's something I learned but something that I have been reminded of today And that is the reality of an afterlife Okay, you said what you experienced was more real than real. I really believe after we die and the permanent version of die It is a real thing we don't need to worry about it because it is a real thing and it's going to be a great thing and We certainly don't want to end our lives here early because we're here to learn and experience things But it's also going to be wonderful when it's time to move on Yeah That's a good that's a good way of putting up Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.

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