"I Saw God and Jesus" - Lynn's NDE - Drowned While Surfing

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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I'd like to welcome today our really special

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guest, Lynn Arches Rapaport. How are you, Lynn?

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Good. Thank you for having me. We've been threatening

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to get together for a long time. I'm glad we

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can finally do it today. Today's good. A good

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day to do it. People are going to love to hear

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your story. I'll just tease it a little bit.

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It has something to do with surfing and the ocean.

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And that all sounds wonderful. Before we jump

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into it, let's just get to know you a little

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bit. If you don't mind, tell us about Lynn. Okay.

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Well, I live in Massachusetts. I'm a mother of

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three and a grandmother of two. So my three children

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are adults and they're mid, early, mid thirties,

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soon to be 40. And my grandchildren, Seven and

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two and I'm also a teacher. I've been teaching

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and mentoring teachers I teach chemistry and

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math and I've also Mentored teachers over the

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years and phenomenology and I believe it was

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Bridget cook birch that Referred you to us and

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we appreciate her for that She was great. She

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was on the show about a month or so ago and and

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really Beautiful she has an amazing story beautiful

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work that she's doing just a beautiful human

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being. Yeah Well, that's why you work with her,

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right? That's right. I Can't imagine working

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with anybody else unless they're beautiful human

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beings All right. Well, I think we ought to jump

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right into it. Take us back a few years Tell

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us where you were and what led up to that faithful

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day. Yeah a few years boy. That was probably

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almost 50 years ago, 48 years ago. I was trying

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not to expose that side of you. Thank you. I

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appreciate that. But the truth is the truth.

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And I was surfing with my boyfriend. We were

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in Puerto Rico. He had already gone out. He was

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surfing and I was kind of new at surfing at that

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time. So I took my time watching the waves, kind

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of snorkeling around to see what was on the bottom.

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of the ocean where we were staying. So when I

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went out, I misjudged the waves, and I got caught

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on an inside set of waves, which means that,

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you know, waves break in sets. They might come

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in four, six, or eight. There might be a kind

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of a lull in between the waves, making it seem

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like maybe there's only four waves to a set.

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and which is kind of what I had misjudged, thinking

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that there were four to six waves to a set, and

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there were actually about eight to 12 waves a

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set, and they were pretty big. I thought they

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were about four to six feet, about shoulder height,

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which is about what I could surf, but they were

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much bigger, and they were very, very powerful,

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and they call Puerto Rico Little Hawaii because

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it's very similar. reef bottom and the, you know,

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the thickness of the waves. So when those waves

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really hit you, feels like a ton of bricks are

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falling on me. I got pushed under the water and

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basically I had a, it was a drowning experience

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that I had had. And I was pulled up out of my

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body. And when I was pulled up out of my body,

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I... could see what was going on below me and

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I could also see in front of me my father that

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I grew up with. I could see a tunnel with a shadowy

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being and I could see Jesus on the other side

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of the tunnel and then there was this white very

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white light that was it kind of reminded me of

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lightning but in that moment when I was experiencing

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it I felt like this is God this is the all -powerful

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and I was put on this bench that I was kind of

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hovering over an old old rickety kind of a bench

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and I was put in front of a old -fashioned white

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screen with a projector that was in back of me

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that was showing me my life review from that

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moment all the way to I was told by this voice

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That it was my time to be born and I didn't want

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to be born and they had said but you had asked

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for these parents for the lessons that you needed

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to learn and then At that time I was thinking

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well, maybe it might not be too bad to go through

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that tunnel and Then I was told that it wasn't

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my time And then I was shot back down into my

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body where I was told to go back and tell everybody

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to share the story that I had experienced and

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to also tell people that I am that I am. So that,

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I mean, that's a little bit of a short version

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of the experience. There was a lot of, I would

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say phenomena that, I mean, looking back, I can

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say that it was kind of a phenomena that I was

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experienced, just the warmth and the love that

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was so overwhelming because I grew up, you know,

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with my father thinking that he never loved me.

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When I was in front of Him and I was experiencing

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His beingness, I just felt this immense love

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coming from Him. And it was really very confusing

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for me because I thought that He never loved

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me. And then, of course, there was love coming

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from Jesus, and I always felt that I was loved

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by Jesus. And then there were these entities

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or beings that were down at the end of the tunnel.

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And they were kind of chanting and saying, you

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know, through telepathic, asking the question,

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is she coming? Is she coming? And this shadowy

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being that kept walking up and down the tunnel

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that I saw where these beings were at the end

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of it would come up and ask my father, is she

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coming? And then he would look over at Jesus

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and Jesus would say, patience. And then he would

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tell the shadowy being, not now, and then he

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would go down and tell this group of beings that

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were waiting for me at the end, asking, is she

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coming? Is she coming? That experience, observing

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that happening, I would say probably happened

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three or four times. As I'm viewing my life review

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also in front of me, as I'm also seeing people

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gather below trying to rescue me, somebody had

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yelled. Hey, there's a woman over there drowning.

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Let's go save her. So there's about four people,

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four to five people that had lined up, risking

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their lives to go out into the ocean to save

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me. When I was brought back down into my body

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and then I popped back up out of the water, there

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was a young gentleman who said, you know, give

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me your hand and had passed me down, down the

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chain of people that had formed. and laid me

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on the ground and somebody had called my boyfriend

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out of the water at that time and he had come

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up to the beach and I was trying to talk to him

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about what it was that I was experiencing and

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he had gotten his head kind of close to my face

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and said, don't ever tell anybody that because

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they'll think you're crazy and lock you up in

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a mental institution. Ah, the 70s and 80s, where

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everyone thought you were crazy if you said something

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about your near -death experience. I appreciate

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the short version, but I want as much more detail

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as you can also give us, if you don't mind. Sure.

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And then we'll come back to what happened in

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the saving portion. Does that sound good? Sure,

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yeah. I can relate to these waves, okay? When

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I was a kid, I lived in Hawaii. I got pounded

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by plenty of waves. And there are times where

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you're being held down. There are times where

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you're trying to swim towards shore and you're

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actually going backwards out. And it's really

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easy to panic. It's really easy to get afraid.

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In the sort of act of drowning, how were you

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feeling? Was it fear? Oh, for sure. There was

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a moment where I realized that, oh my gosh, I'm

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drowning. And if I get pushed under and I go

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in one of those caves, I'm never gonna be able

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to come back up. And I remember praying, please

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God, don't let me drown. Please let me get out

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of this. I felt like, I mean, I just couldn't

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breathe. I couldn't catch a breath. Every time

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I would pop back up, I was gasping for air. And

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there was this kind of rocky cliff that I was

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thinking that if I could just get over to this

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rocky cliff and climb up it, then I'll be okay.

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And finally there was a wave that did come. and

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push me up against the cliff. And I was climbing

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up it. And at the time as I was climbing, there

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were sea urchins. It was just loaded with sea

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urchins and shells and all these. I could hear

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the sea urchins cracking off into my body and

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the wave. And I was praying, please, God, don't

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take me. I'm not worthy to go. I haven't done

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enough in your name. Please don't take me. And

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it was at that moment that I was pulled up out

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of my body and I Was I remember Observing that

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I was three. I was like these three entities.

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I Was the space that I could clearly see I mean

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I was like an observer observing all three of

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these entities I was this kind of face I could

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see my body below drowning trying to get out

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of the waves and trying to climb up this this

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reef with all the coral or sea urchins and then

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I saw This kind of like a cloudy version of me

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immediately go over to the divine to this light

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that reminded me of like a a sharp lightning

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bolt and and sit right away on this or at least

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hover not really said but hover over this bench

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and I just remember it kind of Experiencing that

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for a split second and then my face entity joined

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this cloudy version that I call the spirit. I

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mean, I feel like that was my spirit self joining

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the divine right away. And then there was my

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soul and my personality that had left my body

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and separated from my spirit and then joined

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it again because I wasn't dead or I was hovering

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on whether I was going to die or not, I guess,

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and then seeing my physical body. Also at the

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same time, I mean I was seeing in my life review

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Just little things I might have said or did that

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Might have made people uncomfortable and what

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I could I just remember feeling this icky feeling

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in my in my stomach even though I didn't have

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a stomach but Because my physical body was on

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the ground that I just remember feeling kind

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of icky about some of the things that I might

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have said to somebody to hurt their feelings

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or to do. And then I just felt like I had this

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whole vision of what was happening at the same

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time. All this stuff is going on at the same

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time that I'm aware of it. And then I was aware

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that there were like animals from Africa, like

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giraffes and lions and tigers and they just all

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were running. and they were running away from

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a fire. And then I remember seeing women and

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children, they look like they might have been

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from India, and that they were dying because

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they didn't have clean, safe water to drink or

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to cleanse themselves with. And so when I came

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back into my body, of course, I'm just overwhelmed.

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And I just remember the first thing that I said

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to my boyfriend was that I saw God in Jesus.

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And what was his initial reaction? Was that the

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crazy or did something else hit him first? I

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think the fact that he said that I saw God in

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Jesus, I think that was his initial reaction.

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And then trying to mumble other things that I

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had experienced, his initial reaction was, people

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are going to think you're crazy. Don't tell them

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that. They'll lock you up. I mean, back then

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people would have Obviously, I thought I was,

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you know, crazy. Tell me more detail about seeing

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God in Jesus. So Jesus was, I mean, all of these

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entities that I experienced, except for God,

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who was this light, lightning, white light. Jesus

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was kind of in a cloudy formation, kind of floating

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next on my right hand side, next to the tunnel.

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And he wasn't the Christ. I remember him as Jesus.

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Jesus as the young man that I had learned about

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in my catechism classes. And then there was my

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father. And so Jesus was dressed in these cloudy

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type of colors that were all kind of coming together

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and gold and blue and pink. And my father had

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more of earth tones of brown, light brown and

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tan. And then there was that shadowy being that

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had a real clear Elvis type of hairstyle. And

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he seemed to know my father, actually, the two

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of them. Energetically, I could feel like they

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knew each other. There was something there that

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connected with the two of them. And who was that?

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I write about that in my book, actually. I don't

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discover that for years and years and years until

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afterwards. But I go into great detail in my

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book about who that shadowy being is. But I mean,

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I was kind of afraid. I didn't know what I was

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going through. I was like, you know, I'm scared.

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Jesus was like, I was getting the message from

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him. Everything's OK. It's OK. It's okay, and

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it was just such a warmth of love That I was

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feeling I just felt like I was totally surrounded

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by warmth and love and that I could just kind

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of let go and not Be afraid not you know to be

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okay with whatever was going to happen which

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In that short amount of time towards the end.

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I felt like okay All right, I can do this can

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walk down that that tunnel and that's when I

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was told that It's not my time and I have to

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go back and share my story with everybody and

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tell everyone that I am that I am What does that

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mean? I am that I am exactly. What does that

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mean? I mean that took Pondering on that for

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years and years I mean you grow I grew up the

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bush the burning bush right talking to Moses

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But I think for me what that means is I am that

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I am is that God is everything, is all one. We're

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a part of God. We're a part of each other. We're

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all related. We're all connected. We're all one.

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Whether it's spiritually, physically, physics,

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you know, if you look at physics, chemistry,

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biologically, but all sentient beings, all are

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connected. It's kind of like a big spidery web

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and we can feel what's going on energetically

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from one side to the other. We all know vibrationally

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and energetically that there's something else

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there besides just us. So for me, I am means

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that I am God. I am connected to God. I am just

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a drop in the ocean and that God's the ocean

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and I'm a drop along with many other beings.

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Hmm. That's really cool. You mentioned that there

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were beings at the end of the tunnel that were

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chanting. What's your insight on that? Who do

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you think they were and what did they want? I

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think they were a welcoming committee, kind of

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welcoming me there. If so, they were relatives,

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ancestors, or friends that I had known from somewhere

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in my past before that had all come together

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to welcome me to wherever it was I was going

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to be going. Were they disappointed that you

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weren't able to go at that time? I don't know

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to be honest. I don't think so. As soon as I

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thought about joining them, I was gone. There

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wasn't any other time for me to pick up. what

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else what's going on what my father might have

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thought what Jesus or The shadowy being or the

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entities at the end of the tunnel I'm wondering

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about a couple of things in your life review

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also. I've had these explained to me so many

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different ways But the whole idea of a screen

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where you're seeing things is kind of universal

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and the screen may look different to different

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people but what You don't need to get into any

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things that maybe you feel bad about, but what

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kinds of things were you seeing and what kinds

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of feelings were you experiencing guilt? You

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mentioned you were feeling kind of sick to your

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stomach. What else? Well, I just, I remember

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feeling like I wasn't such a great older sister.

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I was a bitch and I was kind of mean towards

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my four brothers that basically I was in charge

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of. And of course, being a kid, I resented, you

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know, come home from school and have to babysit.

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to experience. But a couple of significant ones

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were this one young girl in high school. I just

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remember sitting at the back of in the back of

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the class and seeing where I had called out and

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made fun of her last name and just kind of seeing

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her shoulders slump and just how ridiculed and

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shameful she felt that I was feeling. There was

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a young neighbor, didn't have much money, needed

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to go to a wedding. She had a child. And we went

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looking for a dress for her to go to a wedding

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at the mall at the time. She couldn't afford

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to buy it. And I said, well, why not? Let's just

00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:13.059
go ahead. I'll take it. And so I took the dress

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off the rack and stole it and put it in the the

00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:20.799
baby carriage, well, we got caught. And because

00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:26.440
she was Hispanic and I was white, she was found

00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:30.960
guilty and I was found innocent. And just how

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that slowed up her life and made it difficult

00:22:34.660 --> 00:22:37.440
for her. But yeah, those are, I mean, those are

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probably the three big, big ones. And then the

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other thing was, I think for me, was this, I,

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because I was so angry at my parents. It was

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a very dysfunctional family. My mother was an

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incest victim, you know, never, never really

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recovered from that. And my father I grew up

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with was an alcoholic. And, you know, they were

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two traumatized people trying to raise children

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together without having worked through any of

00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:11.769
their trauma. And there was a lot of anger, there

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was a lot of hitting, there was a lot of yelling.

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So I just remember when I had been told that

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I had chosen these parents, that was huge for

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me. That I had actually chosen these parents

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because I needed to incarnate through them in

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order to learn the lessons I needed to learn,

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which were resilience and perseverance for me

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in this lifetime. So I looked at them totally

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different, more compassionate, and I understood

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that they were trying to do the best that they

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could with the tools that they had. Not that

00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.460
that excused some of their behavior towards me,

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but it made me understand that I could have compassion

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for them because I understood that they had limited

00:24:06.259 --> 00:24:09.079
resources. They were doing, I mean, the fact

00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:11.519
that I had, you know, eight children had a roof

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over their head and food in their stomach, that

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was huge. You know, my mom growing up used to

00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:18.759
always say, be lucky you have a roof over your

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head and food in your stomach. And it was right.

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That's all they could really do, you know, is

00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:28.279
really be able to do that. Tell me how you came

00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:31.660
to this realization. Was this something that

00:24:31.660 --> 00:24:36.019
Jesus told you or? How did you come to know this

00:24:36.019 --> 00:24:38.680
thing about your parents and how you chose them?

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That was part of my life review. That was the

00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:45.259
end of my life review where I was told by this

00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:49.460
voice, I don't know if it was God, I don't know

00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:54.099
if it was an angel or Jesus. I don't think it

00:24:54.099 --> 00:24:57.319
was Jesus because when I was experiencing Jesus

00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.920
in my near death, this was Jesus the teacher,

00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.970
it wasn't Jesus the Christ. I just was told in

00:25:04.970 --> 00:25:08.930
my life review that it was time for me to be

00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:11.849
born and I had asked for these parents. That's

00:25:11.849 --> 00:25:15.049
when, and it took me, I'm not saying I came to

00:25:15.049 --> 00:25:17.210
it overnight that all of a sudden, I mean it

00:25:17.210 --> 00:25:19.609
was very confusing. It took years and years and

00:25:19.609 --> 00:25:23.250
especially during those times of the 70s and

00:25:23.250 --> 00:25:25.950
80s where, I mean I didn't even know, you couldn't

00:25:25.950 --> 00:25:28.799
even get a book that you could. Find out that

00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.539
it was a near -death experience because that

00:25:31.539 --> 00:25:34.059
word had not even been coined by Raymond Moody

00:25:34.059 --> 00:25:37.700
yet It wasn't until the 70s mid 70s. I think

00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:42.680
that Raymond Moody coined a near -death experience

00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:47.940
Yeah That's true. It was mid 70s. So did you

00:25:47.940 --> 00:25:51.180
grow up? Catholic you mentioned Catholic school

00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:56.089
I did My mom converted to being a Catholic and

00:25:56.089 --> 00:26:01.190
we went to catechism. I went to catechism. I

00:26:01.190 --> 00:26:03.849
went to a Catholic school until fifth grade and

00:26:03.849 --> 00:26:07.470
then public school, but then had to go to a catechism

00:26:07.470 --> 00:26:11.289
class every Friday. So I'm just curious of the

00:26:11.289 --> 00:26:15.430
things that you experienced, especially being

00:26:15.430 --> 00:26:18.509
out of body and the things that you saw and experienced.

00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:22.210
Were they in line with what you had learned in

00:26:22.210 --> 00:26:26.009
catechism? Were they different? Is this part

00:26:26.009 --> 00:26:28.670
of why it's taken you so long to process all

00:26:28.670 --> 00:26:31.630
of this? Yeah, that's a really good question

00:26:31.630 --> 00:26:35.390
because one of the concepts that I had struggled

00:26:35.390 --> 00:26:40.230
with for years was, is this a memory? Is your

00:26:40.230 --> 00:26:44.609
brain trying to remember their last memories

00:26:44.609 --> 00:26:50.190
before you die that's imprinted? as you're going

00:26:50.190 --> 00:26:53.490
through this experience, is that just some memory

00:26:53.490 --> 00:27:01.089
that's still living? And I don't remember, I

00:27:01.089 --> 00:27:04.349
mean, it might've been, I don't know, to tell

00:27:04.349 --> 00:27:07.049
you the truth. I mean, the only thing I knew

00:27:07.049 --> 00:27:12.069
about the I am that I am was I had vaguely heard

00:27:12.069 --> 00:27:15.569
that that's what the Bush told Moses, and that

00:27:15.569 --> 00:27:20.779
Moses, the Bush, The burning bush was God. I

00:27:20.779 --> 00:27:23.200
mean, even to this day, you know, is this really

00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.579
what I am that I am means? I mean, a lot of people

00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:29.880
have different ideas about what it means to them.

00:27:29.900 --> 00:27:32.319
And I think as an individual, it's different

00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:36.380
for everybody. But I think that I was able to

00:27:36.380 --> 00:27:40.319
embrace that it was something that really happened

00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:44.299
to me because of my upbringing as a Catholic.

00:27:44.509 --> 00:27:48.349
because of my belief and because I believe that

00:27:48.349 --> 00:27:51.789
Jesus was always with me. I knew that I was always

00:27:51.789 --> 00:27:55.089
going to be loved no matter what. I feel that

00:27:55.089 --> 00:27:58.809
that helped me make it real, that experience

00:27:58.809 --> 00:28:02.730
real to me. But it took a long time for me to

00:28:02.730 --> 00:28:06.230
be comfortable, to be able to talk about it because

00:28:06.230 --> 00:28:08.930
honestly, I didn't know if I was going crazy,

00:28:08.990 --> 00:28:13.440
if I was making things up or if I just was imagining

00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:19.700
all this as part of, you know, drowning or, but

00:28:19.700 --> 00:28:23.599
then after I did, you know, my research and I

00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:25.539
mean, over the years, I've done a lot of research

00:28:25.539 --> 00:28:28.640
and I became a member of IONS, the International

00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.400
Association of Near Death Conference. I've had

00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:36.400
three PhDs. Students do studies on near death

00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.039
experiences. Anyways, it's worked out to where

00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.809
I've It's like you said, I've kind of ticked

00:28:42.809 --> 00:28:47.269
off all the little spots that make this known

00:28:47.269 --> 00:28:50.730
that this is what other people have shared with

00:28:50.730 --> 00:28:53.849
similarities that this is a near -death experience.

00:28:54.309 --> 00:28:56.390
I might not have died on the operating table

00:28:56.390 --> 00:28:59.750
and been out of it for 20 minutes or something,

00:29:00.009 --> 00:29:03.390
but my experience was definitely an out -of -body.

00:29:04.469 --> 00:29:07.369
Experience that I probably was taken out of my

00:29:07.369 --> 00:29:10.450
body before the actual drowning incident, but

00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:14.589
I definitely was drowning. Oh Yeah, and that

00:29:14.589 --> 00:29:16.970
happens a lot when there are things that are

00:29:16.970 --> 00:29:21.009
really traumatizing ways of dying Horrible traffic

00:29:21.009 --> 00:29:24.349
accidents things like that. I hear this all the

00:29:24.349 --> 00:29:28.190
time so that you don't necessarily have to experience

00:29:28.190 --> 00:29:31.369
all of it Alright, I want to get back to physically

00:29:31.369 --> 00:29:33.269
what happened with the people that saved you

00:29:33.269 --> 00:29:35.630
and stuff. But before I do, was there anything

00:29:35.630 --> 00:29:38.049
else from the experience you wanted to fill in

00:29:38.049 --> 00:29:41.730
that I didn't ask about? I think I pretty much

00:29:41.730 --> 00:29:45.269
got everything. Hey, you did great. Thank you.

00:29:45.529 --> 00:29:48.430
Okay, so these wonderful people decide we're

00:29:48.430 --> 00:29:51.970
gonna go out, we're gonna save her. How did that

00:29:51.970 --> 00:29:55.750
work? It was like it was in slow motion because

00:29:55.750 --> 00:29:59.470
I was observing. People coming down running down

00:29:59.470 --> 00:30:02.710
the beach coming together lining up creating

00:30:02.710 --> 00:30:07.069
a line because they had to go out up, you know

00:30:07.069 --> 00:30:10.609
on this rock that I Was getting banged up against

00:30:10.609 --> 00:30:14.009
that I had climbed up to a point and then was

00:30:14.009 --> 00:30:17.410
taken out of my body But when I was thrown back

00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:19.769
into my body and I was washing up against the

00:30:19.769 --> 00:30:25.049
rocks They had formed a line and this probably

00:30:25.049 --> 00:30:28.680
a surfer Said, you know hit give me your hand

00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.420
when I pop back up out of the water and then

00:30:31.420 --> 00:30:35.779
they Just kind of toted me down the line and

00:30:35.779 --> 00:30:39.200
then the last person Which happened to be a woman

00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.299
actually kind of carried me over to the sand

00:30:42.299 --> 00:30:45.980
and I just remember laying down on the sand and

00:30:45.980 --> 00:30:49.200
A woman with a white towel came up to me and

00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.960
she was trying to give me this white towel And

00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:53.880
I said, oh no, I don't want to get blood or anything

00:30:54.190 --> 00:30:56.470
all over it. I mean, I didn't know what I look

00:30:56.470 --> 00:30:58.950
like. So she goes, No, no, believe me, you need

00:30:58.950 --> 00:31:02.170
this more than I do. And then I just kind of

00:31:02.170 --> 00:31:06.109
fell on the sand. And then that's when my boyfriend

00:31:06.109 --> 00:31:08.970
came in. And I tried to tell him what was happening

00:31:08.970 --> 00:31:12.349
to me. And then I just passed out. I remember

00:31:12.349 --> 00:31:14.730
hearing somebody say, call the ambulance, call

00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:18.670
the ambulance. So an ambulance came. And then

00:31:18.670 --> 00:31:22.049
I was brought to the hospital, kind of unconscious

00:31:22.049 --> 00:31:24.990
eventually. I woke back up as the doctor and

00:31:24.990 --> 00:31:28.970
my boyfriend were kind of talking over me, thinking

00:31:28.970 --> 00:31:32.170
that I couldn't hear them and stuff. And I woke

00:31:32.170 --> 00:31:35.289
up, kind of stayed there for a few more hours

00:31:35.289 --> 00:31:38.130
to make sure that I was okay and that he had

00:31:38.130 --> 00:31:41.490
recommended that I go back to the States to get

00:31:41.490 --> 00:31:45.230
away from the moisture because I had some deep

00:31:45.230 --> 00:31:49.950
wounds that were on my body that would heal better

00:31:49.950 --> 00:31:55.240
in a dryer. climate, but we had been there for

00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.039
probably four weeks. We were going to be there

00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.799
probably for another couple of weeks. So it was

00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.519
going back home a little early. So long trip.

00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.980
Okay. This next question, this is really not

00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:11.059
important. I'm just curious. You mentioned sea

00:32:11.059 --> 00:32:13.440
urchins all over these rocks. Did you get the

00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:18.319
quills stuck in your skin? I did. Yes. Okay.

00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.500
For people that haven't experienced that, how

00:32:20.500 --> 00:32:23.319
do you get rid of them? Well, you know, they

00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:26.339
they actually were broken up underneath my nails

00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:30.099
Type of thing they had broken off in my skin

00:32:30.099 --> 00:32:32.900
And when I of course when I was experiencing

00:32:32.900 --> 00:32:36.140
my life review, I mean there was no pain. I couldn't

00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:40.140
feel anything until That moment on the rock where

00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:42.500
I could hear the crunching and the breaking off

00:32:42.500 --> 00:32:46.119
and feel it but when I was put back in my body

00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:51.160
I Could feel where all these urchin Sea urchins

00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.839
had broken off their spines had broken off into

00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.819
me and so in the hospital the doctor pulled out

00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.579
underneath my nails because he you know, they

00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:01.859
were wondering if my nails were always kind of

00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:04.099
pink and red like that or if that was due from

00:33:04.099 --> 00:33:07.640
the You know the puncture of the sea urchins

00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:13.599
and stuff But you just pull them out Okay And

00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.740
maybe there's different kinds of sea urchins.

00:33:15.740 --> 00:33:18.539
I don't know but I know that quite often these

00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:22.279
quills They go in like let's say in your knees

00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:26.359
or something that that hit them and They're often

00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.480
in far enough and they're kind of barbed that

00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:32.380
they can't really be pulled out and They actually

00:33:32.380 --> 00:33:35.759
absorb and go away after a few weeks or months

00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:40.059
Well, I had some in my back and those I know

00:33:40.059 --> 00:33:42.160
there's like a little kind of a hook I think

00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.299
at the end of the quill Yeah, they're kind of

00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.519
They're kind of barbed. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So

00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:50.519
I don't think they went in that deep. It was

00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:55.279
just underneath where the fragment of the quill

00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.960
was broken off and embedded in me and in my skin

00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.779
and in my legs, my back and stuff. I don't remember

00:34:02.779 --> 00:34:06.660
that I actually a quill went all the way in to

00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:08.239
where it was going to make it difficult to pull

00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:10.969
all the way out. Anyway, very often they do.

00:34:10.989 --> 00:34:13.809
They go in, they break off, and then the top

00:34:13.809 --> 00:34:17.269
is below the skin. It's not worth digging around

00:34:17.269 --> 00:34:19.510
to pull them out because they do actually go

00:34:19.510 --> 00:34:23.250
away on their own, but it is not pleasant. Yeah,

00:34:23.250 --> 00:34:24.829
I didn't know that. I didn't know they actually

00:34:24.829 --> 00:34:26.969
went away on their own. That's good to know.

00:34:27.869 --> 00:34:31.510
When we spoke previously, you used the term,

00:34:31.730 --> 00:34:35.070
if I remember right, this was more real than

00:34:35.070 --> 00:34:38.280
real. Do you still feel that way and what did

00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.400
you mean by that? I think what I mean by that.

00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:46.619
I mean after all these years It seems so vivid

00:34:46.619 --> 00:34:50.219
I can remember everything our memories start

00:34:50.219 --> 00:34:54.760
to fade But this particular or you know our experiences

00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.119
unless it was so traumatic though You know we

00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.679
remember and maybe that's why I remember because

00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.760
this was pretty traumatic but it just felt like

00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:12.570
that What I was experiencing was more of a reality

00:35:12.570 --> 00:35:17.530
of what I experienced here in my body on earth.

00:35:18.670 --> 00:35:23.489
It seemed to be more real. It was more real to

00:35:23.489 --> 00:35:26.989
what I could relate to than what oftentimes I

00:35:26.989 --> 00:35:30.650
can relate to here on earth. I mean, there was

00:35:30.650 --> 00:35:36.500
so much love and warmth. that I was, my whole

00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:40.579
being was in to be surrounded by that. And here

00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:43.440
on earth, it's almost like it's one of those

00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.239
rare things you meet somebody that is sincerely

00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:49.679
filled with kindness and love and you want to

00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.320
be around them. And you can't be around them

00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.739
because they might live halfway across the world

00:35:54.739 --> 00:35:56.940
or something and you get to experience them for

00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:00.099
the moment. But this was a moment that felt like

00:36:00.099 --> 00:36:05.949
it always is like this. always like being in

00:36:05.949 --> 00:36:10.090
this pure love all the time that exists in one

00:36:10.090 --> 00:36:14.690
place. And here on earth, it feels like, you

00:36:14.690 --> 00:36:17.130
know, we're looking, you know, most of us are

00:36:17.130 --> 00:36:19.070
always looking for this. You know, we're looking

00:36:19.070 --> 00:36:21.550
for that love. We're looking for this person,

00:36:21.550 --> 00:36:24.929
you know, to kind of give us that love and to

00:36:24.929 --> 00:36:28.230
make us feel loved and to make us feel better

00:36:28.230 --> 00:36:32.280
as opposed to being in this environment. or this

00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.579
experience that I was in, that it just felt like

00:36:35.579 --> 00:36:38.860
this is the way it is all the time. And why wouldn't

00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:42.920
I want to be in a place like this that is like

00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.579
that all the time? I think that really brings

00:36:45.579 --> 00:36:49.639
a lot of comfort to people. If we've lost a loved

00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.980
one, people might say to us, oh, they're in a

00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:56.440
better place. And they mean well by that. It

00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:59.980
sounds so trite. but they mean well and I think

00:36:59.980 --> 00:37:03.380
what you just explained helps them realize it

00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:07.619
really is better in so many ways and it's okay

00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:11.099
if they're gone and that we're gone someday.

00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:14.639
How much fear of death do you have? I don't have

00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:21.659
a fear of death. I don't want to have pain. I

00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:24.159
think we all have kind of fear of pain, but I

00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:30.119
don't fear death at all. I feel it's something

00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:33.760
to look forward to and to work for because I

00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:37.199
feel like that we are spiritual beings having

00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.519
a human experience and that we've come here to

00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.460
learn our lessons. And because I believe in reincarnation,

00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.980
I mean, I think it takes many lifetimes to get

00:37:47.980 --> 00:37:52.380
it right. And so I think that we have an opportunity

00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:54.940
to be able to learn as much as we possibly can

00:37:54.940 --> 00:37:58.440
about compassion, kindness, and love, and how

00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.039
to treat each other, and not just humans, but

00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.079
all sentient beings, Mother Earth, the birds,

00:38:04.219 --> 00:38:07.960
the ants, you know, of just being kind. From

00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.440
those experiences, we're preparing this in -between

00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.820
place between death and rebirth. So one other

00:38:16.820 --> 00:38:22.619
question. I hear from time to time about reincarnation

00:38:22.619 --> 00:38:26.099
from people that I talk to. I also talk to people

00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:29.039
that don't believe in it. I want you to explain

00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.619
something for those that believe in it as they're

00:38:32.619 --> 00:38:35.960
talking to people that don't believe in it. Let's

00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:41.519
kind of fill that gap and also the opposite of

00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.300
that. Do you know what I mean? How do we make

00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:48.780
a bridge between these two beliefs? And that's

00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:52.800
a good question. And well, I think for me, and

00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.119
I do know people, I have family members, I have

00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:59.699
friends. I mean, I have a son that doesn't believe

00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:02.119
in reincarnation. He'd like to believe in it.

00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:08.219
But I think just sharing our stories, we all

00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:11.280
have our own individual stories and experiences.

00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.199
And that I find oftentimes by just listening

00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:18.329
to each other, that there's a bridge. that we

00:39:18.329 --> 00:39:22.869
can come together and share. For those people

00:39:22.869 --> 00:39:26.250
that don't believe in reincarnation, basically

00:39:26.250 --> 00:39:28.170
they're, I think they're just saying, this is

00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:31.130
it. This is the end of it. You know, I don't

00:39:31.130 --> 00:39:33.769
know where I'm gonna go, but there's nothing

00:39:33.769 --> 00:39:37.389
after that, you know, whatsoever. I think for

00:39:37.389 --> 00:39:39.929
me and for people that believe in reincarnation,

00:39:40.789 --> 00:39:45.130
it gives us hope that our consciousness is going

00:39:45.130 --> 00:39:50.380
to continue. And that also too, that we're going

00:39:50.380 --> 00:39:52.659
to be available, that we're still going to be

00:39:52.659 --> 00:39:54.940
available, even though we might not be in the

00:39:54.940 --> 00:39:59.639
physical plane, but in the etheric plane or the

00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.300
afterlife, that we can still be available and

00:40:02.300 --> 00:40:05.280
help those people that we, on earth, our loved

00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.500
ones or our friends here on earth also too, to

00:40:08.500 --> 00:40:10.960
kind of help make the right choices and help

00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.179
them on their journey of learning. I mean for

00:40:14.179 --> 00:40:17.199
me I'd like to think that this is not just it

00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.960
and what I experience kind of confirms it for

00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:25.500
me that there's much more than this. It's not

00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:28.280
just this physical plane. I really do firmly

00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.699
believe that we are spiritual beings and a physical

00:40:31.699 --> 00:40:34.840
body learning our lesson. Whether you believe

00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.559
that you get a one -time shot and that's it,

00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:41.480
I just think that the lessons that we have to

00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:45.610
learn because of our 12 senses that we experience,

00:40:46.190 --> 00:40:51.170
it's hard to not experience all those senses

00:40:51.170 --> 00:40:53.070
or wanting to experience those senses and then

00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:55.329
have to learn that, oh, you know, it's not good

00:40:55.329 --> 00:40:57.789
to be drinking all the time and become an alcoholic.

00:40:58.150 --> 00:41:00.389
And maybe that might carry over into the next

00:41:00.389 --> 00:41:04.670
life that you have to learn that I need to clean

00:41:04.670 --> 00:41:07.789
that up. What do I need to learn to where I don't

00:41:07.789 --> 00:41:12.079
get swayed by that? Sense when I'm in my next

00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.559
life. I think so many people believe what you

00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:20.619
have just explained But they don't call it reincarnation.

00:41:20.619 --> 00:41:23.440
Does that make sense? What would it be called?

00:41:24.380 --> 00:41:27.199
An afterlife an eternal life a life that keeps

00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.460
going on in some form or another that we don't

00:41:30.460 --> 00:41:33.840
really understand and there may be an afterlife

00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.119
that Doesn't necessarily include coming back

00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:41.429
to this earth to do it again, right? Right. So

00:41:41.429 --> 00:41:44.570
is that reincarnation or something else? I don't

00:41:44.570 --> 00:41:47.909
know. I don't really care. It's okay. Exactly.

00:41:48.489 --> 00:41:53.190
Yeah. Okay. I appreciate those insights. How's

00:41:53.190 --> 00:41:55.489
the writing of your book coming along? I actually

00:41:55.489 --> 00:41:57.909
have two books now that are finished. My book

00:41:57.909 --> 00:42:01.050
about my memoir and my near -death experience

00:42:01.050 --> 00:42:04.929
in DNA and Tangled is finished. It's with Steiner

00:42:04.929 --> 00:42:08.809
Books Publishing. And I just finished a children's

00:42:08.809 --> 00:42:14.289
book on discernment. I'm working on another book

00:42:14.289 --> 00:42:19.389
about the 12 virtues. You're busy. Try to be.

00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:22.530
Any last thoughts you want to leave us with?

00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:27.550
Yes. Please go to my website and sign up to be

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00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:46.039
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00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.139
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00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:51.559
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00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:55.280
any crashes or any near -death experiences. Thanks

00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.039
to our Efforts today. Anyway, Lynn, I appreciate

00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.039
you being with me today. I think we've all learned

00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.519
something. I hope so What have you learned Eric?

00:43:06.659 --> 00:43:10.940
Oh my You know, I don't want to say it's something

00:43:10.940 --> 00:43:13.320
I learned but something that I have been reminded

00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:18.519
of today And that is the reality of an afterlife

00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.880
Okay, you said what you experienced was more

00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.880
real than real. I really believe after we die

00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.880
and the permanent version of die It is a real

00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.730
thing we don't need to worry about it because

00:43:34.730 --> 00:43:37.809
it is a real thing and it's going to be a great

00:43:37.809 --> 00:43:41.550
thing and We certainly don't want to end our

00:43:41.550 --> 00:43:44.269
lives here early because we're here to learn

00:43:44.269 --> 00:43:47.869
and experience things But it's also going to

00:43:47.869 --> 00:43:52.809
be wonderful when it's time to move on Yeah That's

00:43:52.809 --> 00:43:56.460
a good that's a good way of putting up Thanks

00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:58.860
again for listening and sharing this podcast.

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