She Sent Texts to Her BFF During Her NDEs

0:00 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else. The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. On back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

0:42 And a special warm welcome to two guests that we have today, Regine and Terry. And this is horrible. I forgot your last names, but I have them here. Regine Bailey and Terry Masters, right? Who's who? I'm Regine, I'm Terry. Okay. I'm going to give a little explanation before we start and get to know you two because this is going to be a very, very unusual episode of the podcast. And I'm trying to figure out how even to explain this. First of all, we have two people on at the same time because their story goes together and it overlaps and it intermingles and intertwines and you'll find that in a few minutes.

1:30 The other thing that I wanted to bring up, I spent last week at the IONS convention for this year, which was down in Phoenix. And we had some wonderful lectures and presentations about near-death experiences and shared death experiences, which is something we'll be talking more about in future episodes of this show. But the unusual thing about these two here that we'll be talking about today, it's more like shared near-death experiences, which I promise is a topic that never came up at the IONS conference.

2:11 So this is something new for a lot of people and there's going to be some surprises and it's going to be a lot of fun. And we have hours and hours to talk about and we're going to try to figure out how to condense it and make it in some sort of a fashion that makes some sense. So good luck to all three of us today. And especially to me to figure out how the heck to do this. But let's start with letting our listeners get to know you too just a little bit. And by the way, Terry and Regine are just best of friends, closest friends, as you'll also come to learn. But Terry, give us one minute on who is Terry first.

2:56 Hi, my name is Terry Masters. Went through cancer, beat it several times. Of course, you know, I'm one that had the NDE's. I have a widow. I have three young boys. Well, they're not young. They're young men now. And I have two great grandbabies that just make my life complete. Did you say great grandbabies? No. Or grandbabies that are great. But they're all, they're amazing, I should say. You didn't look old enough to be great. They look good in general. All right. Regine. All right. I'm Regine.

3:36 I live just north of Seattle. I'm also widowed. I have four children and three grandchildren that are also great that make my life complete as well. I have always been Terry's contact person through any medical procedures or emergencies or really anything and everything. And a lot of times we were, she was 2,000 miles apart from each other when these were happening as she would be in West Virginia. And I would be in Seattle. So we have, everything is documented through text because of that. I was never present.

4:17 So we have everything documented in text. So I just wanted to just kind of preface this with that we are close friends because of the experiences that we've gone through. And we're now roommates. So we both, she came out here from West Virginia. So here we are. And by the way, thanks for sending the book. Dancing in the Sky. I got a start on it. I haven't finished it yet. It is a pretty quick read. And it's a beautiful story about two close friends. And about going through struggles of cancer and et cetera, et cetera.

4:57 In addition to talking about near death experiences, which we're going to dive into even deeper today. But maybe we should start with Terry. Give us just a little bit of, if you don't mind, nothing too personal, but history with your diagnosis and a general overview of treatment that you've been through so far. It all started out, I was like constantly having heartburn all the time. And then it led to me having problems swallowing food. It would get lodged in my throat. So when it started doing that, I knew I needed to go see a doctor to see what was going on. And that's when they ran some tests on me and I discovered that I was at stage three esophageal cancer.

5:40 And after that, I had to have a surgery to actually have part of my esophagus removed and my stomach stretched. So I had to be on a liquid diet for so long to wait for it to heal up and stuff like that. Had to go through the chemo and radiation. So surgery, chemo and radiation. Yeah. So any different surgeries have you had? Oh. Well, everything happened, liquid, then two and a half years from January of 2019 was the first major surgery and the first, her first NDE.

6:20 And the last one was September of 2022. And that one was when she was actually out here in Seattle and there was fluid and then air around her heart. So as far as surgeries and the complications from the surgeries, at least 15, we haven't processed them all yet. There's a lot to process and talked about a lot. There's just been a lot of different surgeries that you've had, brain tumors, hemorrhages. And then let's just throw in just for the heck of it, a car accident where she was hit by a drunk driver who was going 50 miles an hour through an intersection, in addition to the other things that were also happening in her life.

7:07 So a lot happened in the two and a half years. Well, and even more than that, based on the book, there's an assault. There's just, oh my goodness, I can't believe how much you've been through, Terry. By the way, I'm hearing a little squeak in the background. Is that a dog? Okay. Okay, so I don't know if our listeners can hear that if they can. Just to just smile. It's just, we'll pretend it's a happy puppy back there. Yeah. Hopefully he'll stop, but I'm not sure. Okay. Not a problem. This is going to be a huge number, but you've had about 11 NDE-type experiences now.

7:55 We don't have time to talk about all of them today. And frankly, as you were saying earlier, you haven't had a chance really to process all of them. It, and it does take time, and I get it. So, but what, tell us a little bit about the very first near-death experience that you guys remember and a little bit about what happened. My first one is when I had, after having the radiation and the chemo, it kind of damaged some of my blood stem cells, so they had to find a procedure to try to restore those, which I had to have a stem cell procedure, which was very risky because it was either I do it or I don't.

8:36 If I don't do it, then I've got 0% chance of living. If I do it, I've got 20% chance of living. So that's when I go to RGN and I'm like, I just don't know what to do. I'm scared. I don't know what to do. This is the thing she always tells me, let's weigh our pros and cons. You know, if you don't do it, you've got 0%. If you do it, you've got 20%. So that's pretty much when I decided to put on a brief face and head to the operating room. But what happened? Tell me about the experience itself. I mean, did you actually die on the operating table? Um, yes. I don't remember much, much after going under when I went into the operating room.

9:20 The only thing I remember is being in this dark tunnel and seeing a bright light at the end of it. As I got to the end where the bright light was, I seen this massive figure and it, you know, kind of a little confusing at what I was seeing. And I think it kind of realized it. And that's when it kind of transformed and when it transformed into these three beautiful angels. But these angels kind of reminded me of an angel that my grandmother always had set in her house. And it was like, it was a fiber optic angel. It would light up. She always had it lit up and they had these glowing, they had like glowing lights all around them. They were just a beautiful thing to see.

10:02 Next thing I know is that they've taken me to this, to this garden and in the garden, I see all these animals and all these flowers. I mean, it was, it was just an amazing view. It was like Noah's Ark with all the animals were just right there. Okay. Slow down. I want a little more detail. Do you have any idea this first figure or being that you saw who, what that was? At the time I didn't. I mean, it was, you know, like I said, I was confused at what I was seeing. And I think it sense that, and that's when it transformed into three angels. And even at this time, I really didn't know who these angels were because this was all new to me.

10:43 Okay. I want to hear detail about the garden. Can you describe trees, plants, whatever you saw? Yeah. I mean, the garden was full of every flower that you could possibly imagine seeing a Roma with the sense that I've never smelled before. Every animal, I mean, it was just, I mean, it's just like they're just all around. I mean, it was like no care, no worries. I mean, just quite beautiful, just so comforting. Every animal, can you remember any that you saw? Oh, I've seen dogs. I've seen cats. I've seen, I've seen lines.

11:24 I've seen, I mean, you name it. I mean, I've seen every animal as if you would see them walking on Noah's Ark. It was just amazing. It was mind blowing, to be honest. And what happened next after the garden? They take me on into the garden and I hear this familiar voice and I knew this voice. I knew it was my grandmother. But as they got me closer to where she was sitting, I didn't recognize her because she was at such a young age and I had never seen her at that age before. So, but I knew it was her, just by her voice and the things she was saying to me. It was as if she was just sitting there waiting to just have a conversation with me like she was waiting for me to show up.

12:09 We just started having a conversation. She was just, you know, telling me how proud she was of me for going through all the struggles that I've been through and was still going through. And she always knew that I struggled with self-love and self-worth and I guess she was making it a point to tell me, you know, how well and how far I was coming with everything. Was this the grandmother that you were close with? Yes. This grandmother was like a mother to me. Now, you said that she was much young, looked much younger. How young? Closer to eight or closer to 28? I'd say she was probably in her 20s, 30s.

12:49 That is so neat. Was there anything else before the experience ended? Yeah. I wasn't wanting to leave my grandmother, but she kept telling me that, you know, I needed to go back, I needed to return because I had things to do, but I wanted to be with her because she was like my go-to person for everything. And I just didn't want to leave her. And I really believe that the angel sensed that I was struggling with returning. And that's when they led me to the stream of water. And as I was like glancing down in the water, I see a reflection and her reflection was of Ray Jean's. Glad to see her in this reflection, but not the way that I seen her.

13:29 She was like, looked like she was texting on her phone. All of a sudden, I see her. She's actually at work. I see her walk over to one of the co-workers that she worked with. And she just like walked to her and she was just shook her head, no. And then she just never said anything and kind of like turned around and walked back into a section of the store that she would never normally work in. And I could see that she had tears rolling down her face. So I was a little bit confused and was asking how I could get a message to her to let her know that I was okay. Well, maybe I got that on a little mix though there.

14:10 That was a yeah, but you know, that is true. You did think that was. I didn't. Yeah. So, but she was in the store. So we're going to talk about some communication that was in the fourth NDE right now. That was in the fourth one. And let's, let's take these in order. Let's stick with the first one for just a minute. Was there anything else to it? I did see her. I see her in a reflection of the water. That's when you were sitting on the couch. No, that's at the store. You're right. So Eric, we're getting kind of confused. I'm sorry. But the very first one was when you saw me in the store and then that's when your grandmother said that you needed to go back and. Yeah. That's when I'm okay. Yes. I'm so sorry that I'm getting confused or just like again, there's just so many of them.

14:54 But that's when I did see her in the store and I knew that I needed to let her know that I was okay. And I knew I needed to return. I needed to return for her. I needed to return for my kids. All of a sudden I kind of felt like I was being weighed down and then I started falling at a fast pace. And the next thing I know is I woke up in a cold hospital room with my son looking down at me, telling me that he would take me home just as soon as they released me. Okay. Wow. That's a lot for anybody to have one experience like that. Let's go ahead and jump to number two. How much later was number two? September of 2020. It was about a year and a half later and that was the car accident.

15:37 So she had a, she had the car accident, September of 2020, about a year and a half later and a couple months after that was the assault. So each one of those were near death experiences. And then the fourth one was May of 2021 where she had a brain tumor and she had absolutely actually collapsed with it because of the pressure on her brain until she was brought into the emergency non-responsive. So the fourth one is actually where we had our first communication. And I was the contact person for the nurse, so I get a text out of the blue from Terry Stone just stating that this was the ER nurse and she wanted to make sure that I was who I was and that I was her contact person.

16:26 And I said I was and she told me that I had a decision that I needed to make. And she briefly told me that Terry was brought in unresponsive. They wanted to know and then looking at her records, they knew that she had a brain tumor. They wanted to know if they should call time or if they should hook her up to life support. I know you're at this point there was a little bit of history. So I knew that she did crash. I knew that she did her surgeries were distressing to her, but I knew that she could come back. So I mean, I immediately said put her on life support. So they did that hoping to stabilize her to be able to do the surgery. So it was when she was on life support in this condition that the first text came through and from her phone to mine and it was handwritten and it just said, I will always love you.

17:17 And I'm like, oh my God, I immediately was followed by the nursing. I did not send them. I'm like, oh my God, what just happened? Okay, hang on, hang on. Yeah. Hang on. I know. I don't want to blow everybody's minds too fast. I know. You got a little bit ahead of me, but that's okay. We'll jump to this spot. Whose phone did the text come from, Regene? From Terry's phone or the nurses phone? Terry's phone. So the nurses always, when I would get updates from the nurses that was always on Terry's phone. Okay. So they would always have Terry's phone. And then I would get like, like for instance, I know we're jumping around here, but the first one that she was talking about, I would, and what she was seeing, she was seeing me actually communicating with the nurse and I was getting the updates from that surgery.

18:10 I was crying because they had, she had crashed. She was in cardiac arrest. They were giving me, she was giving me a countdown, you know, 10, 15, 20, 25. And then I lost contact with the nurse. There was no contact and I didn't know what to think. So I thought she had shit past. I thought she had crossed. And that's when I walked over to that coworker and just shook my head, no, you know, like she didn't make it. There weren't many that knew what was going on, but she was one that did. And so that's what Terry had seen me and totally validated exactly what I was doing. So this was how our communication through the nurses, my communication through the nurses, but it always was through Terry's phone.

18:51 Okay. So, and we weren't ever, I wasn't ever in a hospital with her. So everything was always fight tech. Okay. So Terry, we're talking about NDE number four now. Was this what remind me? Was this one surgery or from the accident? What was this one from? This is when I had a brain tumor and I knew that I was going to have to proceed going on with having something to do, you know, have something done with it. But I didn't know at the extent how bad it was. I was actually working and I had collapsed at work due from the pressure of the tumor, you know, cushion on my brain. They had rushed me to the hospital and I mean, the only thing I remember once again is being in the presence of the angels.

19:40 This time I knew who these angels were because over the first, second, third, I had learned who they were. Who were they? And for instance, on this one, I always have an archangel Michael. He's always there because he's like the protector of, you know, he's just a protector of you. So he's always in my presence. Even had Archangel Azrael there with me this time. I was a little confused because, you know, I see my body in a hospital bed and I see like all the medical team just frantically working on me. So I was really confused at what had happened. That's when the team of archangels just come in and take me to the scene of my accident.

20:24 I'm not the car accident. I'm sorry. I see I'm getting confused. That's okay. I understand. Well, this is like the second time I've talked about it and it's like the first time we knew we were only talking about the six and now we didn't know if we were going to be talking about all of them and I just got a little confused. It's okay. And that's what Regine is here for. And help keep us all on track. Yeah. This was the first communication and this was the gen when Archangel Michael brought you to again like a clear stream of water and that's when you saw me. I was sitting on my couch and I again had my phone and texting with the nurses.

21:06 Yeah. That's when you saw me and you asked Archangel. Yeah. I seem to help me get a message out to her because I seen her sitting on the couch. She was upset once again crying and she was petting her dogs. Yeah. I just didn't want her to be so upset. So I was just like, I need help. That's when Archangel Michael looked at me and says, what can I do for you that you can't do for yourself? And that's what I just said. I need to relay a message to her to let her know that I'm okay. And that's when I learned that you can communicate telepathically with the angels.

21:48 So I asked to relay a message and the message was I wanted to tell her that I will always love you. She seemed to still be struggling. I just decided, all right, I need to keep relaying messages to her. I needed to let her know that I was there with her and that I was going to stay by her side until she fell asleep because she had done that for me so many times after my surgeries and before surgeries. So I wanted to do that. But she was still struggling. So with her struggling like that, it was causing me to start to struggle because I didn't want her to be like, yeah, I feel that way.

22:28 I think Archangel Michael realized that. So he showed me a way how he was going to help both of us. We both had heart stones that we had gotten on a previous trip together. That's when Archangel Michael went and retrieved my heart stone and put it in my hand while I was in surgery. And somehow I held onto that heart stone throughout my whole surgery. But I can still clearly see Regine walking out of her house to go to work or wherever she was going that day and Archangel Michael stepped in and just had to turn around and go retrieve her heart stone.

23:10 Okay. For those that don't know, what is a heart stone? It's like a crystal that's in the shape of a heart. Okay. It can also be called a worry stone, but we call it a heart stone because of the shape. But it's kind of got a little indent in it and you can hold it and kind of rub it and the crystal is rose quartz. So it just kind of soothes you and comforts you. And so we each had one. Do you happen to have one of those here for those that are seeing the video? They can see one. So this one is actually the tree and this one isn't the rose quartz. I think yours is your rose quartz. But it's shaped like a heart and in here, there's a little indent. So you just kind of hold it in your hand and you just kind of rub it.

23:52 All right, Terry, you were just saying Archangel Michael put that in your hand during surgery? Yes. Where was it? It was in my pants pocket that I was wearing before I went into the hospital. So are those pants with the heart stone like in your hospital room, but you're in the surgical room? Yes. And somehow, you know, okay, let's face it, some people are going to have a hard time believing some of this stuff. So I just want to make it clear. Somehow that stone got from your pants pocket into your hand during surgery in a sterile environment, right?

24:38 Yes. Okay. And Regine, where was yours? Well, when this happened, this was the following day and she was able to get stable enough for them to do the surgery and I had to go to work and so I was leaving knowing that the surgery had started and then I just hear this voice, you know, and mine was in, I have a big crystal ball, mine was in my crystal ball and just, I just heard, grab your heart stone. I'm like, okay, so I just went back, grab my heart stone. So I was holding, when I went to work, I was holding my heart stone in my hand like pretty much all day and just kind of thinking about what was going on. She did go through the surgery. She did, they were waiting for her to wake up and about this time I get a text from the nurse and she's like, oh my God, you're not going to believe it.

25:26 And she's, Terry has a heart stone in her hand. She's had this heart stone in her hand and I have no idea where, that she said, there's nobody that could have put this in her hand. She obviously couldn't, she wasn't even awake yet. And so she was kind of freaking out like, oh my gosh, I go, I have that same heart stone in my hand. So the nurse wasn't supposed to do this, but she actually snapped the picture of Terry's hand and sent it to me and I snapped the picture of mine and sent it back. And she's like, oh my gosh, this is the same heart stone in the same hand. And we both have the same tattoo that says, just breathe, which we got when she first was diagnosed with cancer, which is our mantra, you know, just breathe.

26:08 So it was kind of validation. And she's like, that we found out later that that was Archangel Michael's way of letting us know, or letting me know. When I actually said to the nurse, I said, I think that that's validation that she's going to be okay. At that time, I had no idea that she had the NDE until she actually woke up and we were able to talk and validate what we had both gone through. You mentioned a minute ago, we're going to talk about it more. A text message. Again, people, if you want to be skeptical, go ahead. I find these, I find Regine and Terry to be very credible. We have spoken previously.

26:49 I've read quite a bit of their book. What came first, finding out about the heart stone or the text message? The text message came first. So this was, you know, probably around nine, 10 o'clock at night, my time when I first got the message that she was, well, maybe a little early, that she was actually brought into the hospital. Probably earlier than that. The text went on until about midnight. When Terry was with me and she said, I'm going to stay with you until you fall asleep. I thought, there's no way I'm falling asleep.

27:31 I did. I did. I did feel her presence that it was comforting and I did fall asleep. We had had a bit of conversation, text back and forth. I woke up the next morning, my phone was laying next to him, like, oh my gosh, this really happened. And so then I look at my phone and I'm like, it really happened. And so then I reached out to the nurse and asked for an update and that's when they told me that she was stable enough to be able to start the surgery. And at that point, that was the next day. And at that point, I had to go to work and grab my heart stone and it was later on that afternoon. We didn't have any more communication, text or anything, but it was that afternoon when she actually did wake up from the personal jerk.

28:15 And you were smart enough to take screenshots of a bunch of these text messages. You sent a few to me because I was skeptical and I just had to see him. Do you mind if I show a couple? Sure. Okay. See if people can read this from my phone. All right. There's the one we were talking about. The first one. Yeah. The first one where you said that you wanted to send her this message, I'll always love you. I'm sure there are people out there that are smarter than me that know how to do a hand written message in a text somehow.

28:55 I've never done it. Do either of you know how to do it? I did when I had an iPhone. I don't know if that was part of it cause, you know, you just do this like I'll always love you, but through the course of the time they started out as hand written and mostly they were hand written and then kind of towards the end they were more tech like we would tech. But it was always when we would have these communications, it was always her. I knew it was her. She would call me by the same nickname. She would call me Raj. She would have the same quirky answer. So it was her consciousness was exactly the same as if we were, these texts were exactly as if we would be sitting next to each other exactly how we would text if she was in the next room.

29:45 And did you verify the time on this? Was this during surgery? That was when, no, that was after, that one was no, that was the first one was before surgery. Okay. But Tara, you mentioned that you were with Archangel Michael. Yeah, that was during. You got that message I will always love you when I was. I like support before surgery. So you were on, Tara, you were unconscious. That's the bottom. Yeah, I was unconscious. And I noticed if you look at the very bottom, that note that's from the nurse, right? Yeah, I did not send that. And it's, yeah, Regene's response to that is OMG and the nurse says I did not send that.

30:29 So I would be having really a conversation with the nurse on Terry's phone and with Terry on Terry's phone. So and it's pretty when you read through the dialogue, it's pretty evident on who, I mean, because the rest would be handwritten for one, but it was evident on who the conversations but, but Terry never, ever responded to anything that the nurse would say that conversations were always only between her and me. Always. And it was never, ever like, oh, you know, she would be talking to the nurse and she'd be talking to him, but it was never that. Okay. That's really cool and super unusual. Were you both in Seattle then or in different states?

31:10 Now you were in West Virginia and I was in Seattle. So you were thousands of miles apart when this happened. It's still blowing me away, but there's a whole bunch of these. It's a hundredth of a secret for all of them, all of them saved. As long as we're talking text messages, let's talk about the next one that you sent me, which is this one. Everybody can see that. And my apologies to those that are just listening and not seeing the video. What we're seeing here is some handwriting. Again, I want to come home and then some stick figure kind of drawings that I wasn't sure what they were at first until you said, and we'll talk about those.

31:58 And those were angels, right? And Ray Jean says, fight Terry. And then ask, are those angels that were drawn? And the response is, yes, that's who I'm with. Which NDE was this? What's going on here, Terry? That was when I had fluid around the heart. You said, okay. That was my 10th NDE, August of 2022. Do you remember any of this? Terry, do you remember what you were experiencing? I do. I was actually going around with Archangel Joffiel.

32:40 I think that's when I described it. I felt like I was a character in the Jetsons. Just going around with all the freedom in the world. Just no worries. Give me a whole bunch more detail. Who is this angel and where were you flying to and how is that all working? We were just flying around the clouds, bright skies. Archangel Joffiel is always with me. And the reason that Archangel Joffiel is there, because she helps you with self-love and self-care, again, something I struggle with, even still to this day, she was just trying to teach me a lesson that I needed to have more self-love for myself.

33:22 I needed to care for myself like I do for others. I seem to always put others way above myself. We were just flying around as she's trying to teach me lessons on self-worth, seeing the self-love and the caring love for others. I don't know how much more to explain except that I was flying around. Flying is probably very hard to believe, but it's real. It happened. You know, sometimes this is the hardest part to tell this, because you got so many people that's not going to believe it, but they don't have to. I was there.

34:03 I went through it. It happened. It's something I'll never forget. Going through all this and doing this, this has helped me realize that I'm not afraid to die anymore. If it's my time, I'm ready. How do you know this wasn't just a dream? Lots of us have dreams of flying, right? I think that what makes it real is the communication that was coming through on my end. Then also me talking with the nurse, she had gone in to remove fluid that was around her heart and she had immediately crashed, which was typical. She immediately went into cardiac arrest. There wasn't a lot of communication on this one. She was just basically telling me who she was with, which every time she had an NDE, that was always her main thing of telling me who she was with, what she was doing.

34:51 She just didn't want me to worry and just to try to let me know that she was going to come back. I didn't always know that, you know, that if she was or not, because you have always given choices. This particular one, it was short and it was when she did not have a lot of communication, but I knew that she was with. It was funny on this one because then when she did, you know, they did revive her and she did wake up from the procedure, she immediately wanted to grab her phone, which she always did from the nurse and let me know. Oh my gosh, she said, I was with Jo-Fiel and I'm like, I know. She's like, how do you know? I think, because you told me.

35:31 Then we started talking, I did. She said, I was flying with the angels and I said, you told me that. Then, then you told me this, which is funny about her wanting to be your BFF. Oh, no, I've already got to be. If I can't, yeah. Yeah, our cage is actually after to beat her BFF. An angel, an angel. And we laughed so much. We still laugh about that. And she declined. She declined. I think it was because I had so many encounters with her to where I'd struggle with the self-care and she was always there to try to beat that into me. And it was just, because she felt like, hey, we have a lot of meetings, so we need to just be best friends.

36:13 Oh, wow, they do that. I already got that. I love it. Well, that's a big compliment for you, Regene. You took precedent over a real life. I think if an angel would ask me to beat their BFF, I would have said, sure, there. You see, we have that sentiment. We have that. I took precedent over a real life angel. All right, can I ask about this one? This one is longer. I see it. It's a little peak. First I'm seeing Regene and the nurse are texting back and forth. And the nurses say, I'm blown away by this. By the way, how did the nurses feel when they saw this happening? It varied.

36:53 For a lot of this, I'd say about two thirds of this, it was the same nurse. And this nurse was very spiritual. So I think maybe that's maybe why it was so much was happening and it was happening with her, but it wasn't always the case. In fact, the very last one that she had, the last two were different nurses, different hospitals. The very last one, she's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. And I think the one that you have there, I think was one of the nurses that didn't want to deal with it. And I would always encourage the nurse, I said, just please, just stay with it because this is how she communicates with me and I just need to know.

37:34 But they weren't always receptive about it. Well, it could be very scary. Yeah. And the one nurse that did see most of it, at one point I had asked her, I said, have you told anybody about this? And she's like, absolutely not. So this one says, let me read it and you guys explain it. If Lisa a hug for me, I will. Who's Lisa? Lisa is Ray Jean's daughter. I had finally got to meet her kids for the first time and I just wanted to get a message to all of them that, you know, I enjoyed meeting them and.

38:15 Well, the rest of it reads, tell your other kids, I'm glad I got to meet them. Please take care of yourself. Thank you. We all love you. Who's we? And I said that. So that was my response. Yeah. Your response. Yeah. Okay. I have another question. Because you two were able to communicate back and forth while Terry was in the spiritual realm. Did you. Ray Jean pass any messages through her to other people that you love that have passed on? No, you know, and that's such a great question. And I thought about that. Why? I asked any of that, but I didn't.

38:57 It was also, well, it was also, I guess it was always kind of a shock that this was actually happening, but I was just so focused on where are you? Who are you with? Are you coming back? I mean, I would always ask that, are you coming back? You know, or fight, you know, come back, you know, you have a lot to live for. I think at first when you were having the NDE's, at first she was like being told, no, it's not your time. And it was like you have a choice. And then at the end, the last one, it wasn't even about that. It was about just being with the angels and they were just kind of giving you just different lessons. Tell me about some of the other NDE's.

39:38 What things stand out to you? What other things do you remember? I love the picture of the beautiful garden. What else might people want to hear about? That was the last one. Yeah, the last one. That's when I had the air around the heart. I just found myself always high above again in the presence of the angels. But this time I was kind of like dancing and singing with the cherubs. These cherubs was a little different than what an ordinary cherub would be. They possess like two sets of wings and four faces. One of a man, a man's face, which represented for love.

40:22 Then you had the eagle, which represented wisdom. You had a bull for strength and a lion for courage. That wasn't scary. You would think that they would be scary, you know, four heads, two sets of wings, but they were the most con, compassionate cherubs ever to me. I mean, well, of course, you know, often do you meet cherubs. But not too often. Yeah. So we were just like just sort around, flying around. But the one thing that stands out to me is that we're flying around to this song called Dancing in the Sky.

41:04 And it just hit home for me because it was a way for me to come back to tell Ray Jean exactly what I had seen in all these experiences when I did have my NDAs with the angels and what it was like. I couldn't wait to get back to play that song for her and to just see how she responded to it to let her know that that's how I was seeing it. Was that a song you only heard there or is that a song here? That was the first time that I heard that song, but it is a song. Okay. I've never heard it. So you'll have to send it to me or something.

41:46 Beautiful. I never had heard the song either. And then I immediately, you know, YouTube it by Danny and Lizzie. Yeah, Danny and Lizzie. Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful song. What kinds of things did you learn from all this? These NDE's are not just for fun and for a show or something. What did you learn? I kind of had a hard life growing up and, you know, when I lost my grandmother, my grandmother, it just, it took a real toll on me because she's the one that kind of kept me just grounded to know that I was worth something. And then I lost my husband like two or three months before I was diagnosed with my cancer.

42:31 I was just struggling. I mean, I was in a really hard spot and I don't know if I had to go through these NDE's to understand that I am worth something and that I need to learn to have self-care for self-care and self-love for myself and to see others in a different way than what I was seeing because I was, I was kind of bitter, kind of angry, just not wanting to live. And I had more than enough to live for, I just wasn't seeing it at the time. And I'm not too sure that that's not why I was crashing to learn some lessons, to see that I still had a point to be here.

43:11 And then, you know, finally it's just, it was sinking in that I do have people that do care for me. You know, not always is your immediate family is the ones that need to be in your life. It's the ones that want to be in your life. And I think I needed to be showed that. And again, I mean, I'm still amazed at her because I didn't even know her. I just started working for her in her department and I knew I had cancer and I knew I was going to need time off from work. And I just, yeah, that's when I went to her and, you know, we talked about it and she offered her support and all that. And I knew I needed somebody. So that's when I, you know, that's when I decided that I was going to let her be there for me.

43:53 That's when I let doctors and all that know that I, that she was going to be my emergency contact because I didn't have anybody else that wanted to be there for me, I should say, in a way that I needed it. Of course, your kids are going to be there, but you don't want to put all that on your kids. It just amazes me how a complete stranger can walk into your life not knowing you and just want to be there to help you in the ways that you are needing it at that time in your life. I know my kids are my life. I know sometimes it's hard for people to understand that and, you know, that, but go through something like that and it'll totally change your mind on some stuff. Sure.

44:33 Besides meeting your grandmother, was there anybody else that you knew that you met in any of these experiences? No, you know, most of the time I was just, just in, in the presence of the angels. And I think again, it was just trying to show me things that I was struggling with in life. I always wanted to, to see my husband. I never did. And I, let's like, me and Rageen talked about it. I think that was a reason, you know, because I grieved him so much. I mean, I've just gotten to hear recently to where it doesn't bother me that he's no longer here because I know where he's at and I know he's better in a better place.

45:14 Like at that time, if I had, had any kind of contact with him, I don't think I ever would have returned because I wouldn't have anyone believing. Deeply my heart believed that's why I never had any kind of connection with him during any of that. Do you have any thoughts on other people who may be going through some similar things, whether it's a friend or relative and some kind of a loved one who is going through some really difficult things, whether it's surgeries or whatever? Is there a way that we could actually learn to do some of this communication that you too had? Well, for me, if you're referring to the angels, if you just have a desire to connect, your angels are always there with you.

46:00 Just ask. Just be open to receive different ways of knowing that they, they're answering your, your prayers. And as far as finding a friend like Regine, you hear all the time that that friendships, the hardest thing to find. And if you find it, don't ever let go of it. Yeah, we, we have our ups and downs, but it's life. You go through struggles, but if you have that one person, and you know, and I struggled at first, I struggled with wanting to let her help me because I felt like I was a burden on her. And I didn't want to place that on her because at that time she was going through some hard stuff.

46:40 Everybody's going through something, whether we know it or not, but I struggled with that. That was at one of the times that's when Michael, I was probably in the presence of the angels and that's when, you know, one time Michael had to print to me that she was there for me. If you got that person, let him help you because you definitely need the help. Well, thank you. Before I let you two go, are there any other lessons that you'd like to share? I think just to know that love, love never dies. Exactly. It doesn't. We, we don't, we don't die. We're energy. You can't kill energy. It just transforms. And just to know that we're all, we all have the same entourage of angels and spirit guides and loved ones around us.

47:26 We all have it and we're all worthy of that. We're all worthy of that love. And I think the reason we're talking about this, as you can tell it, so it's difficult to talk about and it's, we're still processing it. We will for years and years. Just to know that there is an afterlife. We don't die or loved ones are with us. And in fact, my father who died, who passed when I was, you know, in the early 20s and my mom and him divorced when I was like five, I have a better relationship in spirit than I had with him when he was actually in a physical form. So I just think that, that hopefully will help those that are grieving the loss of a loved one or that are afraid of death or have actually had an NDE that are trying to process it themselves.

48:16 They're not crazy. Yeah, they're the other side. They're much better off on the other side. I mean, they're happy. They're, they're, they're in no more pain if they was in pain while they were here. Just knowing that helps me. Terry, you mentioned earlier about feeling no worries, feeling comfortable. Were there any other feelings that were there? Some people describe love and other things like that. Oh, there's nothing but love on the other side. That's all you feel. There's love, compassion, I just, I wish everybody just had a chance to just do it once and then they would know that they would just, they would know how of an awesome place it is because there's no worries.

49:04 There's, there's no hurt. There's no bad. There's no ugly. And here we have all that. All right. Thank you so much, Regine Bailey and Terry Masters. Thank you. Thank you for being with me. We'll have your link to your book and the show notes. Wow. Story blew me away. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtriptest.com. If you want to share your near-death experience or if you have questions or comments about the show, send an email to ericatroundtriptest.com.

49:48 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.