Died 5 Times During 33 Day Coma

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I had known in the past I'm

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back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at

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home. Welcome. Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

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We have such a great guest today. You know what?

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Before I introduce you, Ricky, let's just do

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some name dropping. Okay. Okay. And the focus

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of our podcast, as everybody knows, is not about

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music and music production, but that's what you

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do. So I'm just going to drop some names. Janet

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Jackson, Jennifer Lopez, Ariana Grande, Kanye

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West. What do all these people have in common?

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Well, we've all been in the studio together.

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We've all worked together to produce some music

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for those people, those incredible individuals,

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man. So, very thankful for that. So, Ricky Slick

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Music Offered, hey, welcome to the show. It's

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great to have you today. Thank you for having

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me, man. And if we have a few minutes at the

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end, we're gonna talk music and I'll see if I

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can come up with some strange questions that

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you've never heard before about that kind of

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stuff. But we're gonna jump into your near -death

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experience first. Yeah. You know, who knew someone

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famous in the music industry would have an experience

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like we talk about every single day on this show.

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But before we jump in... Would you take just

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one minute or two minutes and just give a little

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background on who you are so people realize,

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hey, Ricky's a real guy. You know, where do you

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come from? Yeah, man. So, just a little bit about

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myself. I'm from Dallas, Texas. Born and raised.

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I moved out to California, Los Angeles, California

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back in 2013 to pursue my music career full -time.

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Just called Turkey, man, stepped out on faith

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and went out there in my 20s and... locked in

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with Ariana Grande at the beginning stages of

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her career before she took off. And, man, just

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fortunate that I was able to catch that win break

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there and we just kind of went for it and things

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landed the way, you know, in our favor. So from

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there, that's what kind of catapulted my music,

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my music production career. And I'm assigned

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music producer for a time, Grammy Award winner,

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multi -platinum... Billion streams, all kind

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of good stuff, man. Worked with, as you said,

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some people you named off, and quite a bit more.

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So we're still going, man. The quest is still

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at hand, and I'm just thankful to do what I love.

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And here I am today, 41 -year -old man, you know,

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healthy, vibrant, still going, still working

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strong, and just blessed to be here, man. You

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left out two things. 12 number one records, and

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you're gonna be a father soon. Congrats on both

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of those things. Thank you, man. I appreciate

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you. Yes, sir. Oh, and happy birthday. Didn't

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you just have a birthday? I did. Thank you, man.

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Yeah, September the 2nd. Yeah, September the

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2nd, the day after my book release. Yes, sir.

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And we'll talk a little bit about your memoirs

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a little bit later too. By the way, it's called

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33 Days Between Heaven and Hell, and I've got

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a copy and can't wait to finish reading it. But

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let's go back about 10 years. What's going on

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with you health -wise that led up to this time

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where you were really, really, really sick in

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the hospital? It actually came from, you know,

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just the music business of, well, not the music

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business itself, but me, of course, just allowing

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it to overconsume the, just the grime and, you

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know, the hustle and bustle and every day, late

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night. early morning studio sessions, just chasing

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that success, chasing that next hit, chasing

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that next big thing and trying to stay on top

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of things because they always say you're only

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as relevant as your last hit record in the music

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business as a music producer. So I was a young

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man, like I said, in my 20s and just eager and

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anxious to, I got a little taste of success and

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I wanted more. Between that and the lifestyle,

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you know, not resting, I started neglecting my

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health, even as a young man. And that's something

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I also advocate for now. You have to take care

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of yourself, no matter how young you are, you

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still have to take care of your health. You know,

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your health is definitely your wealth. So for

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me, in a nutshell, man, I ended up, my body started

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to, it started basically to shut down. I was

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suffering from severe dehydration. I developed

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gallstones. I was suffering from high blood pressure,

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cholesterol, just all kind of stuff out of whack,

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man. Just, you know, my diet was poor, lack of

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sleep. I would stay up multiple nights at a time,

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you know, not getting enough rest, of course.

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And this was all for the sake of the grind and

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for the sake of my career, you know, just trying

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to chase that success, man. So that's what pretty

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much kind of put things into perspective. Okay,

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this is what happened. So from that point on...

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I had to go and have a gallbladder surgery. I

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had to get my gallbladder removed. And with something

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that should be very simple, very routine, that

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happens every single day, actually turned out

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to be the biggest nightmare of my life. So, and

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you don't need to go into details about your

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personal health. So after the surgery, there

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must have been complications. You went into a

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coma, just whatever you're comfortable with sharing

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on that part of it. Yeah, yeah, man, complications

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due to the surgery. What's crazy is I was actually

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healthy. I had never been in a hospital before.

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I played, I've always been an athlete. I played

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some football in my grad days. College, you know,

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I played college football as well. Texas A &M.

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Played a little semi -pro, so I've been always

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kind of an active guy. I work out often, but

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it just was that time frame of 2013 leading up

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to 2016. when I moved to Los Angeles, you know,

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I was so focused on success, career, you know,

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being successful and that I just completely overlooked

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all the things that I would usually do on taking

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care of myself every day. So it wasn't that I

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had any like long -term illnesses or any kind

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of conditions that were the main root cause,

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but it was definitely complications due to that

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gallbladder procedure that allowed me to land

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into this coma. And I was induced into the coma.

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And then, you know, obviously, immediately I'm

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facing death, just like the snap of a finger.

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How many days in the coma? I was in the coma

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for 33 days. That's a long time. And I have in

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my notes that you flatlined a few times, too.

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely, yeah, I flatlined

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a couple times, man. Medically, on record, as...

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I believe it's five times. My mom and my sister

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thought it was three at first, but once we got

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medical records back, it was a total of five.

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So, I absolutely remember, from my point of view,

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my perspective, what I went through. I remember

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it like it was yesterday. Now, you had some interesting

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experiences. And I'm gonna let you tell those,

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obviously, in your own words, but experiences

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with heaven, with hell. Where do you want to

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jump in? What is the first thing that you remember

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that was not normal? I mean, most people remember

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nothing from a coma. But just give us a taste

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here. Give us started. Man, for me, from my experience,

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it was pretty, pretty much right away once they

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induced me. It was to the point that, man, I

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was in such bad shape. leading up into the, you

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know, being induced into the coma that I was

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looking forward to going into a coma. Because

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I couldn't breathe. I was, my lungs had been

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injured and it was a whole lot of stuff going

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on. I'm on breathing machines, so I'm, you know,

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I'm trying to, I'm gasping for air, suffocating

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slowly, dying slowly. So, being induced into

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the coma for me was relief, you know, in that

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moment. And I just remember as I got induced...

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Once I'm induced now, there's no sense of time

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anymore for me. It's just events and things that

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happen. So I can't tell you how long, but I know

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after a while being induced, when I was induced

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at first, you know, like sleep, man, like you

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just sleep, your eyes closed, it's dark, nothing,

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just peace, you know, resting, sleep. And the

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next thing I remember was I... Man, I appeared

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in this... And it was almost like a cabin. It

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was a house. It was almost like a cabin. It was

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a fireplace going. Keep in mind, at the time

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of the incident that this happened, this is in

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May 2016. This is in Texas, by the way, in Dallas,

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Texas. It's hot. So, you know, I'm definitely

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not understanding what's going on with the setting

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of me being in this cabin, home environment,

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you know, where there's a fireplace going, it's

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cozy. You know, and immediately I was introduced

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by or welcomed by a handful of individuals, I'd

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say maybe four or five people. And they, I think

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it was like two ladies and three guys, Black,

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White, Hispanic, and different nationalities,

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racism, and it was like they knew me. I mean,

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it was like we knew each other. I had never met

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these people a day in my life, but it was almost

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like we were family immediately as I was greeted.

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And they said, hey, Ricky, how you doing? And

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very hospitable, man. And we sit down at this

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table in the kitchen area, in the dining area,

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and say, well, just have a seat. We're going

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to bring bread. We're going to eat. And they

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were preparing a meal for me. So we're eating,

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laughing, talking, having a conversation. It

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felt so normal. It felt so, so natural, man,

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after we finished. I remember they said, okay,

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we want to take you to the living room so we

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can show you something. And I said, okay. I felt

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so comfortable with them that I wasn't, I wasn't

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like, oh, no, I don't, you know, it was very,

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I felt very welcomed. So we went to the, to the,

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to the living room area and we held hands, like

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in a circle, you know, at that point they said,

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are you ready to go? Are you ready to go with

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us? And I said, yes. And when they said that,

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man, we shot up, I send it through the ceiling,

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but This is the thing. When I ascended through

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the ceiling and this cabin home, it's like my

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spirit and my body came out of my body in the

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hospital, in the actual hospital. And it went

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through the hospital ceiling out into the sky,

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out of space. But this is at the speed of like

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a bullet or the speed of light. You know, this

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is like light year speed. It's not slow and no,

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it's like... a beam of light. That's how fast

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I was going at it. And I just shot up and I ascended

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through the skies and then through the solar

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system and our universe, you know, it just kept

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going, kept going up. And I'm moving so fast

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and all these lights and stars and planets, it's

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like it looks fluorescent because I'm moving

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at such a fast pace. It's so fast, it's so rapid

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that it's happening that everything was so like

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bright and fluorescent lights passing me by.

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Next thing... I know, I don't know what happened

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to them, the individuals back at the cabin. I

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don't know, they were no longer with me, it was

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just me. And I was so high above our universe,

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as we know, that I was out of that, beyond it,

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to the point where it got really bright. You

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know, that bright light, they always talk about

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seeing at the end of the tunnel. I started seeing

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that bright light, and I'm going at it full speed,

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man. And then next thing you know, like that.

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I appeared in a line, like this single file line.

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I looked down into the horizon. I mean, the line

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is so long. I mean, millions of people. Millions

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of people, man. As a matter of fact, it was two

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lines. I was in... It was two single file lines,

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both simultaneously moving forward into the horizon

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with millions of people in each one, parallel

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to each other. I was in the left line. I remember

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seeing... all these people, all races, all nationalities,

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from babies to old elderly people, all ages.

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Everyone was absolutely content and just waiting

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for the line to wait to... Because the line is

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continuously moving, right? You know how you

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go to the airport, they have these conveyors

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where you can step on them, and it's like a conveyor

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belt, but it's like, instead of you walking,

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it'll go for you. It's not like an escalator,

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but it's flat. Yeah, absolutely. And you're moving

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the whole time. It may look like you're in a

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line, but you're moving the whole time. I'm glad

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to hear that, because to me, standing in a line

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behind a million people is kind of like hell.

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To me. At this point, and I'm going to interrupt

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you from time to time. At this point, can you

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remember what you're thinking or feeling? Like,

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are you wondering what's going on? What am I

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waiting in line for? Or what's going through

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your brain? Absolutely, man. I mean, to my brain,

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my mind is still intact. I'm still Ricky. Well,

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immediately, the first thing that grabbed me

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was the atmosphere. It was all white. Like, pure

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white, man. Wide open, like just wide open abyss

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where he is. Like, no grass or nothing, like

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green grass. But whatever, if it was grass, it

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was white. Everything was solid white. Everything.

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the peace and the tranquility and the serenity,

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the feeling of comfort, and I was whole again.

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I was healthy. You know, love and just all the

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emotions of happiness. And I felt, I did this,

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I went... And I was like, oh, I can breathe.

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Because keep in mind... The reason why I'm even

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in the coma is because I couldn't, my lungs had,

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you know, collapsed. I couldn't breathe due to

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the complications to their surgery. So, can breathe

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again. My senses are heightened. Like, my vision

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is more clear than 2020. My sense of touch is

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more, it's almost, it's enhanced. My smell, my

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everything, it was just more enhanced. My mind

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was still sharp, like I said, and I'm like, man,

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hold on. I was just fighting for my life. You

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know, this is what I'm telling myself. It's playing

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back to me in a way. I was fighting for my life.

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And then I even had moments of, like, childhood.

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That whole thing where your life flashed before

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your eyes, like, it was one of those things.

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So, like, it just happened so, so fast, you know?

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It's like it went all the way back from when

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I was a baby, a toddler, all the way through

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up until that point where I'm in the hospital.

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And I'm like, how did I... Where am I at? Like,

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no way. Am I dead? You know, I'm like, am I dead?

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Because I'm doing like this, because it feels

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like this. It felt like, you know, sitting here

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talking to you, like I was awake. Like I've had

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dreams and I've had visions and hallucinations

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or whatever you want to call it. This wasn't

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that, man. This was actually going on. I was

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just trying to come to or trying to understand

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where I'm at. And then when it finally just,

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it dawned on him like, yo, I'm... I'm dead. I'm

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not alive. Like, I'm alive, but I'm not. Did

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that make you afraid or was it kind of a peaceful

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thing? It was very peaceful where I was at because

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where I was at was in, well, Bible scholars told

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me that I was in the line of judgment in the

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heavens, in the heavenly realm. That's where

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I was told. So, in this realm where I was at,

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it was nothing but peace. It was amazing. It

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was nothing but love and peace and joy and happiness.

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Like I said, that's all I could feel. And I was

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healed. There was no sickness. There was no pain,

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no hurt, no suffering. I'm in this realm where

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I'm totally healed, feeling vibrant, feeling

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healthy, feeling youthful, feeling all these

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things. But I wasn't ready to go. Like, I wasn't

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ready to go, man. I mean, if I went, it would

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have been amazing. But I was not ready. At the

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time, I was 30 years old. I was 30 at the time,

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going on 31. So, I'm young. I'm a young guy,

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you know. I grew up in a church. Okay, my faith

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is Christian. That's what I believe. That's what's

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in my heart. That's where I grew up. That's my

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faith. So, all I could do at that point, as I

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began to freak out and to get scared as things

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are starting to come to... I just started praying.

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I didn't know nothing else to do but pray. And

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as I'm getting closer, so this line is steady.

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These two lines are steady moving forward. And

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as I look behind me, people are appearing by

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the seconds. New people are appearing by the

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seconds, but the line is getting longer by the

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seconds. And we're still moving forward and I

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just started praying, man. I'm like, really,

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I just started talking to God. God, please. I

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don't want to die. I don't want to die. You know,

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I'm freaking out. I'm scared. You know, I don't

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know what else to do. I can't turn to my mom.

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I can't turn to my dad. It's all on me. It's

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between me and God at this point. As I'm getting

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closer to the horizons or like within the horizon,

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I see gate, like big gates in the horizons. I

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can see him and I'm like, oh man, it was beautiful.

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But I'm like, if I get some gates, it's a wrap.

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Like it's over. I'm not coming back. I'm not

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coming back to Earth. And I just started feeling

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a strong, overwhelming presence of God, man.

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Like, overly, overly, overly, strongly presence

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of God. I didn't see God. I didn't see Jesus'

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face. I didn't see, like, God. I didn't physically

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see him. But I felt the power and the presence

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of God as I'm getting closer to the gates. I

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want to interject a question right at this point.

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You said you didn't see God, but you felt him.

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What did it feel like? It felt like an overwhelmingness,

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presence of man. First of all, I can't explain

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it in human terms, but the best way I can explain

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it is it just felt like an overwhelmingness of

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almighty, powerful, like man, it's just beyond

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human. comprehension but it was felt love and

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peace and like I said happiness and all these

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things in one and then it was just such a it

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was just such like a powerful presence like just

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a sense of man I mean it was like I said if I

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if I went at that time if I just went I would

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have been good I would have been good it was

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very welcoming he was welcoming he was so powerful

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man and so much love and and peace, but I just,

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I was just so determined. I was just like that

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one kid in the classroom that just, you know,

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stubborn, and I was like, started talking to

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God. Literally, because I just, it's like, and

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it's like I just knew it was God. It wasn't like,

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oh, what is this presence? What is this almighty

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feeling? No, I knew it was God. And I just started

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talking to him like I'm talking to you. And I'm

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like, God, please don't let me die. I don't want

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to die. I don't want to die. And nothing happens,

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right? Nothing happens. Everything is still carrying

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on. And then I said again, I say, please, I don't

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want to die. And this time, I say, I'm desperate,

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right? I'm desperate at this point. And I just

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say, God, if you let me live, I promise, I make

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a promise. I say, I'll make a promise to you.

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I promise I'll live my life for you. I'll share

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my story with the world. I'll do whatever. Please,

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just give me a second chance. And when I said

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that... I vanished from that line. At the snap

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of a finger, I vanished, disappeared. I left

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that line. I went back into my... Well, now I

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know I went at the time I didn't understand.

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Just from point of view, it went back black.

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Total silence, peace. And that's when I realized

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later on, okay, I had died, and then I came back

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from heaven, from the heavens, and that... in

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that realm, and they got me back, got a pulse

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back, and I came back into my body. But I was

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still in a coma, so that's why it's just nothing

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but peace, black, like I'm asleep, you know?

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And that was my first experience. I can't wait

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to hear about the rest. I wanted to interject

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a couple of things that I find really interesting.

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Everybody's experience is different. It has an

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NDE. this line, this big line is kind of an unusual

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thing that I find fascinating. The gate is not

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unusual and it's interesting to me that without

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being told most people feel like if they go beyond

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that gate or some people see like a mountain

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or a hill and they just know if I go beyond that

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that's wonderful but I've also made the decision

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to stay here versus Oh, if I want to go back

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to my body, I've got, I've got a limit. I can't

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go beyond that point. That's interesting how

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that just intuitively comes to you without anybody

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telling you and that you can feel God. No one

00:22:02.059 --> 00:22:05.099
has to introduce you. Hey Ricky, this is God,

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God Ricky, you know, it doesn't need to work

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like that. You just feel it and know it. And

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I think that's awesome. It was a matter of fact,

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it was just like immediately, you know, that's

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my creator, that's where I come from. It's like

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the children know their parents. It was just

00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:28.660
an instinct just right away. Yeah. Okay. Do you

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remember experiences from some of the other times

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that you flatlined also? Oh, absolutely. Yeah,

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the next one, I went to heaven another time too,

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but this time I went, I'll keep it in order of

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how it happened. After I... made that promise,

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I went back into my body and, like I said, I

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don't know how long. Obviously, I'm in a coma

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for 33 days, so there's days could have went

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by, whatever. But the next thing I remembered

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was appearing in this. Every time I went into

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one of these rooms, I just appeared there. Well,

00:23:04.910 --> 00:23:06.849
I take that back. It was an appearance, but I

00:23:06.849 --> 00:23:10.829
do remember when I went to the other room on

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the hill, it was like I went... down, when I

00:23:13.579 --> 00:23:15.960
went to heaven, like, it was always, like, ascend.

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But when it was, like, going to the other realm,

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it was, I would be pulled down. And I remember

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going down and then appearing in the back of

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this, like a, like a Uber Black, like, you know,

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a Tahoe or SUV, suburban, some type of a SUV

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like that. And there was a driver. There was

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a driver. I had a driver. And he's driving me.

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I'm in the backseat. And immediately, I already

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knew just from the energy, that it was evil,

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that it was immediately, it was bad, man, it

00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:51.740
was eerie. I was scared immediately. The feeling,

00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.039
the environment, the atmosphere. And I look around

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and it looked like, it looked like New York City.

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I'm not saying it's New York, actually, right,

00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:04.099
but it looked like something like a New York,

00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.859
you know, Manhattan and all the big bridges and

00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:10.450
the skyscrapers and stuff, but it was so... It

00:24:10.450 --> 00:24:15.109
was very ran down, smoke, fire. There's rioting

00:24:15.109 --> 00:24:17.970
going on everywhere. People all out in the street.

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I mean, man, there was so many people out in

00:24:20.549 --> 00:24:22.490
the streets. It was a little like the apocalypse.

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We're going over this bridge that looked like,

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you know, the Manhattan Bridge or something like

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that. And I'm like, excuse me, sir, where are

00:24:30.569 --> 00:24:32.309
we? Where are we at? You know, I'm trying to

00:24:32.309 --> 00:24:34.589
talk to my driver. He never turned around. He

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just kept going. I'm like, man, I gotta, where

00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.319
am I at? You know, because I came to again, I'm

00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.299
coming to again, my mind is still sharp, I'm

00:24:43.299 --> 00:24:46.779
still who I am. And in my mind and my mental

00:24:46.779 --> 00:24:50.119
capacity and I'm just like, okay, where am I?

00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:53.000
And I don't want to be here. And I just remember

00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.839
that he pulled up to a, into the city where it's

00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.200
so much chaos going on. And I'm seeing these

00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.460
people as people, right? I'm seeing them still

00:25:01.460 --> 00:25:04.700
as humans. Of course I know they're not actually...

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.920
really human beings, but that's how I see them.

00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:09.460
You know, I see a drug dealer over here trying

00:25:09.460 --> 00:25:11.859
to kill another drug dealer over here, the stripper

00:25:11.859 --> 00:25:13.920
over here, a prostitute over here, people going

00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:16.299
to the club over here, people doing drugs or

00:25:16.299 --> 00:25:18.200
this, whatever they doing, whatever. You know,

00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.279
people are doing different things. Everybody

00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:23.079
was extremely angry. Everybody was really, really

00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:28.259
mad. And I mean, just savages, man. No remorse.

00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:33.559
And it was crazy. So I remember the car pulls

00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.700
over. in front of an abandoned, like an old hotel

00:25:36.700 --> 00:25:39.740
or something. In the city, in like this city,

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pulls over, the door just opens automatically,

00:25:42.140 --> 00:25:44.279
a force opens the door, and then another force

00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.400
pushes me out of the car. And then the door closed,

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and the car drives off. And I'm like, wait, wait,

00:25:51.700 --> 00:25:54.059
what's going on? You know, I'm freaking out,

00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.759
because it's a lot of, it's a lot of carrying

00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.400
on, a lot of things going on. And I'm just trying

00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:00.980
to get out the way. I'm trying to, you know,

00:26:01.059 --> 00:26:03.259
dodge and get out, because that's how bad it

00:26:03.259 --> 00:26:07.119
was. So I run into this abandoned hotel -looking

00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:10.660
building to get out of the way. When I go in

00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:13.000
there, it's dark in there. The lights are not

00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.579
on. And I'm like, hello, anybody here? Anybody

00:26:15.579 --> 00:26:19.460
in here? Nobody says anything. Man, I'm in the

00:26:19.460 --> 00:26:23.519
lobby right there, right? The lobby area. And

00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.019
the walks in is... Like, he had to be, like,

00:26:27.019 --> 00:26:32.059
10 feet tall, man. All black, like, black trench

00:26:32.059 --> 00:26:36.079
coat, black, like, fedora hat, black glasses,

00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:39.640
shades. And he had a helper with him. But he

00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:43.940
was, like, not... He was a demon. He was a demon.

00:26:44.019 --> 00:26:46.519
He looked like, I guess, the closest thing I

00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.059
could kind of put in that can make sense. Kind

00:26:49.059 --> 00:26:52.180
of like the Jeepers Creepers character from the

00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:54.609
movie Jeepers Creepers. monster or whatever you

00:26:54.609 --> 00:26:57.430
want to call it, but much bigger, much taller

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and much more, even more demonic looking. And

00:27:00.410 --> 00:27:03.329
he came right, like he was headed right at me.

00:27:03.609 --> 00:27:06.789
He's not walking. He's kind of like gliding,

00:27:06.970 --> 00:27:09.269
not like stepping with feet, but like it was

00:27:09.269 --> 00:27:11.849
supernatural, dude. It was completely from out

00:27:11.849 --> 00:27:14.490
of this world. I see him and it scared the mess

00:27:14.490 --> 00:27:17.849
out of me because I've never in my life experienced

00:27:17.849 --> 00:27:20.569
anything like that before in my life. And again,

00:27:20.589 --> 00:27:22.569
this is really going, this ain't no nightmare.

00:27:23.019 --> 00:27:26.140
This is really happening. So did you feel completely

00:27:26.140 --> 00:27:30.039
stuck there? Yes, I did feel stuck. Yes, I'm

00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.500
glad you said that. Because as a matter of fact,

00:27:32.579 --> 00:27:37.460
as he got closer to me, it was like his aura

00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:42.539
was so powerful. Like he was so powerful in this

00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:45.619
realm of his. As he got closer to me, I just

00:27:45.619 --> 00:27:48.579
was like so feeble and weak. and stuck, and they

00:27:48.579 --> 00:27:50.599
were literally, like, stuck, like, paralyzed.

00:27:50.779 --> 00:27:53.019
And then he said, he points at me and he said,

00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.920
I gotta have him. He's one, he's chosen, he's

00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:58.779
special, I gotta have him. And I'm like, you

00:27:58.779 --> 00:28:01.079
can't have me, you know? And I'm like, I belong

00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:02.940
to God, he can't have me. Of course, that's all

00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.420
I can, that's all I know. Because I'm terrified,

00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:07.279
man, I don't know what else to do. I can't call

00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.539
on mama, can't call on my daddy, nobody else.

00:28:09.859 --> 00:28:11.859
So I just said, I just started, like, praying

00:28:11.859 --> 00:28:15.279
and he's laughing, he's mocking me. and laughing

00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.339
at me as I'm trying to pray. He's getting closer

00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:20.579
to me as he gets closer. I drop to my knees,

00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:24.059
because I have no strength. I'm frozen or, like,

00:28:24.220 --> 00:28:26.359
paralyzed, like a snake, you know, can't move,

00:28:26.539 --> 00:28:29.640
stuck. And then he points at my arm, my left

00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.920
arm, and it picks up, like, just automatically,

00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.099
without me even trying. His power, his energy,

00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.000
sticks my arm out, and then he goes into his

00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.500
jacket to pull out, like, some kind of handcuffs

00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:45.140
or shackle cuff to try to... snapping around

00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:49.259
my left wrist. For some reason, it wouldn't latch.

00:28:50.099 --> 00:28:53.980
It wouldn't clamp down. And he was so angry.

00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.140
He was in profanity, man. He was livid because

00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:59.480
he wanted, I guess it was an indication of him

00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.579
having taken my soul, but it would not clamp.

00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.859
That shackle wouldn't clamp. And he couldn't

00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:06.740
have it. So he stands back and he said, I have

00:29:06.740 --> 00:29:09.720
to show you something. Pulls out this long list

00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:13.200
sheet, drops to the ground. Millions of names.

00:29:14.059 --> 00:29:16.779
first name, last name, date of birth, date of

00:29:16.779 --> 00:29:19.500
death, and a profile, like a picture of them.

00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.259
He said, you see these people? He said he was

00:29:23.259 --> 00:29:25.799
a soul collector. He said he comes to collect

00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:29.619
souls once you die. And he said that he had already

00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:32.920
had a lot of them, and then he was waiting on

00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.960
others to steal, to just pass away, and then

00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:38.339
he was gonna come get them. They belonged to

00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:41.019
him. And I told him, I said, well, I don't belong

00:29:41.019 --> 00:29:43.660
to you, I belong to God. And he said, all right,

00:29:43.700 --> 00:29:46.099
we're gonna see about that. And he kind of laughed.

00:29:46.220 --> 00:29:48.299
You know, like, everything was like a mockery.

00:29:48.420 --> 00:29:50.259
He didn't take nothing serious, I was saying.

00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:52.559
When I said I belong to God and that's all I

00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.180
could say, man, it just... It was so scary to

00:29:56.180 --> 00:29:58.700
me, because I'm like, I'm not a scary kind of

00:29:58.700 --> 00:30:01.299
guy. Like, I'm more of like the macho guy, you

00:30:01.299 --> 00:30:05.299
know. Growing up, you know, I love scary movies,

00:30:05.500 --> 00:30:07.579
all this kind of that. That's usually the type

00:30:07.579 --> 00:30:12.500
of guy I was. But when I faced this demon, man,

00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:15.680
it ain't not, dude. I ain't never seen nothing

00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.619
like that in my life. It scared me so bad. He

00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:22.500
went ahead, he fled him and his helper got up

00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:25.380
out of there immediately after. And I just stayed

00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:27.980
there and I cried, man. I wept and I said, God,

00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.519
please get me out of here. I don't want to be

00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.400
here. And it was so much like supernatural stuff

00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.279
going on, so much demonic and evil going on,

00:30:36.700 --> 00:30:41.059
man, in that realm. I couldn't stay in that abandoned

00:30:41.059 --> 00:30:42.779
building. I had to get up out of there, because

00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:45.019
it was like somebody was... I didn't want to

00:30:45.019 --> 00:30:47.619
take a chance at him coming back or another one

00:30:47.619 --> 00:30:50.099
coming, because there's demons walking around,

00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.359
you know, there's all kind of people fighting

00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.420
and killing each other. And then, like I said,

00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.839
it looked like the apocalypse or something. And

00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.579
then I try to go take cover elsewhere. I run

00:31:00.579 --> 00:31:03.140
out of that abandoned building, and I go behind

00:31:03.140 --> 00:31:05.539
like an alleyway. And there was some dumpsters

00:31:05.539 --> 00:31:07.079
and other stuff over there, and I kind of just

00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.099
like hid and stayed there. And because I was

00:31:10.099 --> 00:31:13.740
there for a minute, for a while, I remember looking

00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:16.960
out into the horizon as I'm hiding in this other

00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.599
alleyway. I looked out into the horizon or out

00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:21.500
back toward the other way of the alley to where

00:31:21.500 --> 00:31:23.960
I could see out. Because I'm just trying to observe,

00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:28.450
where am I? The stripper was by, like... Prostitute

00:31:28.450 --> 00:31:30.869
chick, stripper chick walks by and she's like

00:31:30.869 --> 00:31:32.670
trying to give me the sleep butter and all, okay,

00:31:32.670 --> 00:31:35.829
it was crazy. I'm like, nah, man, I'm cool, like

00:31:35.829 --> 00:31:38.630
what? So it's showing me that like, okay, I'm

00:31:38.630 --> 00:31:42.130
assuming however these people were or in their

00:31:42.130 --> 00:31:45.210
heart, I'm assuming however they died, that's

00:31:45.210 --> 00:31:48.210
what, that's like they was carrying out however

00:31:48.210 --> 00:31:51.269
they were, whatever they truly were, I guess,

00:31:51.450 --> 00:31:54.269
because it's like I seen them and their personalities.

00:31:54.809 --> 00:31:57.559
Millions of people. Like I said, man, but I looked

00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.859
down into the back way of the horizon behind

00:32:00.859 --> 00:32:03.200
the alley. When you look, when you're in like

00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.440
New York or LA or Miami or somewhere, where a

00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.640
beach is at, where the ocean is at, you see a

00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.799
body of water right, see the ocean. When I look

00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:17.259
out there, I saw a lake of fire, lava. Like not

00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:20.819
a lake, but like an ocean, but it was fire, lava.

00:32:21.380 --> 00:32:23.849
You know what I mean? It wasn't water. The whole

00:32:23.849 --> 00:32:27.549
fire and brimstone thing is real then? Oh, absolutely.

00:32:28.369 --> 00:32:31.109
This is terrifying. I'm hoping we're getting

00:32:31.109 --> 00:32:34.410
to the end of this portion. Because I want to

00:32:34.410 --> 00:32:37.329
find out how you get out of there. Well, that's

00:32:37.329 --> 00:32:40.970
the thing, man. I stayed put in that alleyway.

00:32:41.170 --> 00:32:43.849
I found a little area and I just hid and I stayed

00:32:43.849 --> 00:32:46.309
and I prayed. Like, I literally couldn't do anything

00:32:46.309 --> 00:32:49.069
else. I wasn't coming up out of there. other

00:32:49.069 --> 00:32:51.269
than praying my way out there. Like, I pray.

00:32:51.470 --> 00:32:53.509
I started crying. Like I said, I was weeping.

00:32:53.849 --> 00:32:55.609
And I was like, God, please get me out of here.

00:32:55.609 --> 00:32:58.710
Get me out of here, please. And as I'm praying,

00:32:59.329 --> 00:33:01.930
nothing's happening at first. I can't feel the

00:33:01.930 --> 00:33:03.910
presence of God here, you know. I don't feel

00:33:03.910 --> 00:33:08.410
anything. But all I know is prayer. What do you

00:33:08.410 --> 00:33:12.109
do when you're in a situation like that? There's

00:33:12.109 --> 00:33:14.210
nobody else you can turn to. Nothing else you

00:33:14.210 --> 00:33:17.069
can turn to. And that's all I knew was to pray.

00:33:17.289 --> 00:33:22.420
And then after... A while, I finally... I disappeared.

00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.000
I vanished from that room. And it went back again

00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.579
to just pure black. And then at this point, I'm

00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:32.839
like, ah, okay. I'm fighting for my life here.

00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:35.220
That's when they like donned on me, like that

00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:38.420
aha moment, like, okay, I'm literally fighting

00:33:38.420 --> 00:33:40.720
between... I'm having like spiritual warfare

00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.519
here. I'm fighting for my life. Back and forth.

00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.619
I can see why you would have an experience in

00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:50.180
heaven. Why do you think you also had an experience

00:33:50.180 --> 00:33:55.019
in hell? I truly believe that because I wondered

00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:58.279
that too at first. I made my peace with God,

00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.180
you know, I repent, I did all the things, went

00:34:01.180 --> 00:34:03.059
through the sinner's prayer, all the things that

00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:07.140
my faith teaches us to do, like at the last few

00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:10.480
moments before I couldn't talk anymore. I made

00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.110
sure my heart was right. and made sure I made

00:34:13.110 --> 00:34:16.369
my peace with God before I got too far gone,

00:34:16.530 --> 00:34:18.489
you know, too sick, before they put me under.

00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:21.869
So, I was bright, so if I passed away, I thought

00:34:21.869 --> 00:34:24.769
that I would've just welcomed me with open arms

00:34:24.769 --> 00:34:27.829
in heaven, and he wanted to show me, he wanted

00:34:27.829 --> 00:34:31.010
to use me as an example, man. I truly believe

00:34:31.010 --> 00:34:33.969
that, and that actually kind of segues into my

00:34:33.969 --> 00:34:37.170
next encounter, because the next time I did go

00:34:37.170 --> 00:34:39.530
to heaven again, and this time I was actually

00:34:39.530 --> 00:34:44.190
in heaven, inside of heaven. because I met, well,

00:34:44.449 --> 00:34:47.989
I appeared in a beautiful mansion, a beautiful

00:34:47.989 --> 00:34:51.889
two -story, beautiful home, mansion fully furnished.

00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:55.809
I'm sitting on the couch in a living room. TV's

00:34:55.809 --> 00:34:57.949
on, I'll never forget it. Pidges on the wall,

00:34:58.110 --> 00:35:00.230
everything. Kitchen's over here. The stairs,

00:35:00.590 --> 00:35:03.170
what is it like? The staircase with the curves

00:35:03.170 --> 00:35:06.329
around like that. Yeah, the grand staircases.

00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.139
grand staircase, all that beautiful home, man.

00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:11.940
I'm like, man, where am I? Marble floors. I'm

00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:15.360
like, where am I? Because immediately the environment

00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.719
was, the atmosphere was so, again, it was that

00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.900
peace, that, you know, serene, like that whole

00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:24.619
amazing, I was, it felt, I felt happiness, I

00:35:24.619 --> 00:35:27.920
felt joy, I felt all the things. It was like

00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.820
night and day from hell, man. And I'm there and

00:35:31.820 --> 00:35:37.300
then, lo and behold, walks out a young man. a

00:35:37.300 --> 00:35:41.039
young man, about, he was about my age, maybe

00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:43.260
in his 20s, yeah, he was right there with me,

00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:48.219
and I knew him. It was my pastor from the church

00:35:48.219 --> 00:35:52.119
I grew up in. My mom had me and my sister, took

00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.860
me and my sister to the place I grew up in, where

00:35:54.860 --> 00:35:57.820
I also was the drummer of the church there growing

00:35:57.820 --> 00:36:01.719
up. It was him. It was him. You know, he passed

00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:07.579
away... In 1999, I was 14, 14, 15 years old,

00:36:07.619 --> 00:36:11.119
somewhere around there. He was a diabetic. When

00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.960
he passed away, he was ill. He was ill. He was

00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.539
an amputee as well. He was in a wheelchair. Older,

00:36:16.539 --> 00:36:18.440
you know, older gentleman, older than the gentleman

00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:22.500
who's sick. And I'll never forget that he always

00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:26.739
was saying. He was a really good man, very stand

00:36:26.739 --> 00:36:30.159
-up man, you know, amazing guy. And he really

00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:33.000
loved God for real. And he was a great example

00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.380
to me. And he, you know, he would pray over me

00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:38.460
and always, like, pour into me in my life and

00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:41.659
be, like, a male mentor to me. When he passed

00:36:41.659 --> 00:36:44.639
away, he was an older guy. When I seen this young

00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:48.559
man in heaven, in his home, he, like I said,

00:36:48.579 --> 00:36:50.880
he looked like he was... He had to be between

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.719
25, 30 years old. But I knew it was him. And

00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.880
he walked out of his room, walked out full body.

00:36:58.989 --> 00:37:00.869
because he was in a wheelchair. Both of his legs

00:37:00.869 --> 00:37:04.289
were amputated back before he passed away, because

00:37:04.289 --> 00:37:06.730
he was a diabetic. But when I seen him, you know,

00:37:06.829 --> 00:37:09.809
vibrant, young, healthy, strong, happy, and I

00:37:09.809 --> 00:37:12.409
was like, oh, my God, Pastor Vincent was Finest

00:37:12.409 --> 00:37:14.869
Vincent. We'll call him Pastor Vincent. So I

00:37:14.869 --> 00:37:17.289
kept that respect, because I know this is...

00:37:17.289 --> 00:37:19.510
Even though we look the same age, I know this

00:37:19.510 --> 00:37:22.030
man is my elder, you know, and I actually know

00:37:22.030 --> 00:37:26.030
him, and I knew him on Earth. So he's like, hey,

00:37:26.170 --> 00:37:28.349
Ricky, how you doing, man? I said, man, I'm good.

00:37:28.449 --> 00:37:31.750
I wasn't scared. I wasn't terrified or, you know,

00:37:31.909 --> 00:37:35.210
like, ghost. No, it wasn't that. He didn't have,

00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:37.829
like, wings, like, an angel or nothing. He was,

00:37:37.829 --> 00:37:40.690
like, human form. He had on, like, some khaki

00:37:40.690 --> 00:37:44.730
pants and a plaid shirt and a kango hat. And

00:37:44.730 --> 00:37:47.469
he just walked up. We embraced each other. We

00:37:47.469 --> 00:37:49.309
hugged each other. He told me to have a seat,

00:37:49.429 --> 00:37:51.449
you know, sit back down. And he said that God

00:37:51.449 --> 00:37:55.000
sent me to him. for him to encourage me. He said

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.260
that he knew what was going on with my situation.

00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.860
He knew that I was fighting for my life and that

00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:06.219
God sent me to him in heaven for him to encourage

00:38:06.219 --> 00:38:08.900
me to continue to fight because he said that

00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:13.659
God felt like I could handle what I was going

00:38:13.659 --> 00:38:16.400
through. He felt like that he wanted to use me

00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:20.320
as an example to come back and to share and to

00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.900
tell the story to other people. that he does

00:38:22.900 --> 00:38:26.199
exist, that he is real. And, man, that was so

00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:29.719
encouraging. And I just feel like, like, who

00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.699
am I? Like, why me? You know, like, I'm not anybody

00:38:33.699 --> 00:38:37.179
special like that. To me, you know, that's, to

00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:40.360
me, I feel like that's a tremendous honor for

00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.239
me to be an example. I may not have to go through

00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.039
something to that magnitude, but that's what

00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.159
my pastor told me, man. And I was in his mansion

00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.119
in heaven, at his house in heaven. He sit there

00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.019
and we talked and he encouraged me and he told

00:38:54.019 --> 00:38:56.280
me, just keep fighting, don't give up. He said

00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.719
that I was gonna make it through. It didn't feel

00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.400
like I was gonna make it through. But he said,

00:39:01.420 --> 00:39:02.860
man, you're stronger than you know. He said,

00:39:02.860 --> 00:39:05.760
whatever you do, do not give up, just keep going.

00:39:06.019 --> 00:39:08.880
And he said, I will come out. And here I am,

00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:13.500
man. So cool. So it's like your pastor's mission

00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:17.820
kept going on after his life here on Earth, didn't

00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:21.030
it? Oh, yes. That's the marriage. All right.

00:39:21.050 --> 00:39:23.909
Is there anything else that you left out? Ooh,

00:39:24.050 --> 00:39:28.590
I went back to hell one more time, man. Oh. Yeah,

00:39:28.590 --> 00:39:30.809
it was terrible. It was like a back and forth

00:39:30.809 --> 00:39:33.030
thing. You know, it'd be like angels and heaven

00:39:33.030 --> 00:39:36.289
and then hell and demons and, you know, and the

00:39:36.289 --> 00:39:40.070
last time I went there, it was pure torment,

00:39:40.110 --> 00:39:43.710
man. People were, like, chasing me, trying to

00:39:43.710 --> 00:39:47.269
kill me, you know, demons and there was even

00:39:47.269 --> 00:39:50.460
a vent up there, like a vent. uh, Truliquist,

00:39:50.539 --> 00:39:52.000
I think that's how you say it, Van Truliquist,

00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.500
Fan Truliquist, Doll. Yeah, those are, those

00:39:54.500 --> 00:39:57.619
can be scary, like, Chucky dolls and stuff. Get

00:39:57.619 --> 00:40:01.179
it? Like, it was, I have no idea why that, it

00:40:01.179 --> 00:40:04.719
was almost just like, that realm was complete

00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.519
torment, and I, I would... be dropped off there

00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.280
or just appear there. And that whole time I'm

00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.099
running for my life, you know, trying to take

00:40:13.099 --> 00:40:16.239
cover and always trying to hide and trying to

00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.460
maneuver and not be seen, because it was just

00:40:18.460 --> 00:40:22.880
such a, nothing but chaos and evil and it didn't

00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.400
even make sense. It was, but I did remember recalling

00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.019
one guy saying, we going to hell anyway, man.

00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:32.199
We may as well just party. He like, they knew,

00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.980
they knew. So, I mean, when I talk to Bible scholars

00:40:36.980 --> 00:40:40.199
in different ways that study these things, they

00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.320
would say that I was in, they would call it like

00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.840
purgatory and like the in -between. Because even

00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:49.559
one of the other times, there was even a time

00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.960
where I had, I was in hell per se, but I was

00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:58.820
just in a space of like the unknown. I wasn't

00:40:58.820 --> 00:41:01.940
in heaven or hell. I was just like stuck. trying

00:41:01.940 --> 00:41:05.280
to find my way back to my body. Yeah, what some

00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.400
people call a void, just kind of there where

00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.619
there's sort of nothing, everything but nothing.

00:41:12.260 --> 00:41:15.239
I'm a big believer that these near -death experiences

00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.420
are not given to us for entertainment purposes.

00:41:18.940 --> 00:41:23.940
Absolutely. Yours, Ricky, was given to you for

00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:27.900
lessons to learn. Both the heavenly and the hellish

00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:31.940
experiences were for you to learn from. Not not

00:41:31.940 --> 00:41:34.159
to be punished or anything like that, but to

00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.579
learn from I think as you spend more time and

00:41:37.579 --> 00:41:39.599
even though this has been ten years You're gonna

00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.159
be processing this for the rest of your life.

00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.239
Oh, yeah, I think you're gonna learn more like

00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:48.639
Okay, here's something I learned from that part

00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.639
of the experience and here's something I learned

00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.699
from this part of the experience and it wasn't

00:41:54.699 --> 00:41:57.800
pleasant being there but learned this lesson

00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:01.039
from it and then from the wonderful places and

00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:02.980
visiting with your pastor and stuff which is

00:42:02.980 --> 00:42:06.059
awesome and with God What have I learned from

00:42:06.059 --> 00:42:08.760
that and how do I take all these things into

00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.079
my life now? For the rest of the time and I'm

00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.360
that I'm gonna be here on this planet To become

00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.599
a better person and do more good things out there

00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.420
in the world. That's what it's all for in my

00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:25.639
opinion. I agree I agree. And I made a promise

00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.039
to God when I was in that line of judgment, man,

00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:32.559
that day in heaven. And I promise to share this

00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.380
testimony and share this story to share my experience

00:42:35.380 --> 00:42:38.679
no matter what. Unapologetically, a lot of people

00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.900
try to challenge me or question me of certain

00:42:40.900 --> 00:42:43.280
things if it really happened. I have all the

00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:48.119
proof, videos, documented photos, like... Medical

00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.519
records this stuff really have I mean now obviously,

00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.039
you know the outer body part. I don't have that

00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:56.039
but it happened man You're in a judgment -free

00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:59.380
zone right here. So you can feel safe talking

00:42:59.380 --> 00:43:02.780
about all of this And if there's anything else

00:43:02.780 --> 00:43:05.679
you want to discuss about it. I want to hear

00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.420
it I also want to hear about what you learned

00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:12.550
from prayer You had mentioned your mother earlier.

00:43:12.849 --> 00:43:15.230
Were there people there praying for you to get

00:43:15.230 --> 00:43:17.550
well? And what did you learn about from that?

00:43:18.210 --> 00:43:21.530
Man, that part right there is a whole other piece,

00:43:21.750 --> 00:43:24.230
man. And in the book, it talks about it as well.

00:43:24.530 --> 00:43:27.769
So my mom and my sister, man, and my family,

00:43:27.989 --> 00:43:31.690
my dad, my Montell Jordan is a good friend of

00:43:31.690 --> 00:43:35.630
mine, slash mentor. Uh, Rodney Darkchild Jerkins,

00:43:35.929 --> 00:43:38.429
big time producers, also a mentor of mine. All

00:43:38.429 --> 00:43:41.010
these people were praying for me, came together.

00:43:41.070 --> 00:43:44.789
My mom, man, she's the MVP, man. Thank God for

00:43:44.789 --> 00:43:48.690
my mom. She never gave up, man. They wanted to

00:43:48.690 --> 00:43:51.269
pull the plug every week, she said. Every weekend

00:43:51.269 --> 00:43:53.750
seemed like they were ready to pull the plug,

00:43:53.829 --> 00:43:56.650
you know? And if it wasn't for her, I absolutely

00:43:56.650 --> 00:43:58.630
wouldn't. You know, God using her, I wouldn't

00:43:58.630 --> 00:44:01.760
be here because... She had to fight with them

00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.940
to keep me going. It's just one of them things,

00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.619
man, where she, a praying mother, and the family,

00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:11.099
and the love of her mother's prayer, and just

00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:14.420
the strength and the love of your family is so

00:44:14.420 --> 00:44:18.460
powerful, man. I could literally feel the prayers,

00:44:18.460 --> 00:44:20.659
you know, from my mom. I literally could feel

00:44:20.659 --> 00:44:23.840
that. while I'm in this coma. Like, there were

00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:25.900
times, there were days my mom would be praying

00:44:25.900 --> 00:44:27.679
or just talking to... She would just talk to

00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:29.500
me some days, like how we're talking. I'm in

00:44:29.500 --> 00:44:32.300
a full -blown coma, but I can hear her talking

00:44:32.300 --> 00:44:35.199
to me. And it was soothing and it was comforting

00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.840
to me, and it made me know that she's still there.

00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.059
Because we did make one promise before I went

00:44:40.059 --> 00:44:41.699
under. I said, Mom, promise me you won't ever

00:44:41.699 --> 00:44:44.219
leave my side. Promise me you won't ever leave

00:44:44.219 --> 00:44:46.800
my side or give up on me as we go through this.

00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:48.760
Because I knew we were... We knew we were about

00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:51.789
to go through something traumatic. with this

00:44:51.789 --> 00:44:55.570
incident. And my mom, she never, she kept the

00:44:55.570 --> 00:44:57.849
promise, she never gave up. And for that man,

00:44:57.929 --> 00:45:00.429
I'm forever grateful for my mom. There's nothing

00:45:00.429 --> 00:45:03.349
I can do to repair it back now. That's awesome.

00:45:04.150 --> 00:45:06.670
All right, before we wrap up, for those that

00:45:06.670 --> 00:45:08.750
have been waiting to hear a story about music

00:45:08.750 --> 00:45:12.050
stuff, and those are, in my opinion, not as important

00:45:12.050 --> 00:45:14.369
as what we've already heard. I don't know, you

00:45:14.369 --> 00:45:17.130
have any fun stories about being in the studio

00:45:17.130 --> 00:45:19.469
with Ariana Grande or anything that you want

00:45:19.469 --> 00:45:23.460
to share? Man, actually, yeah, man. Um, so with

00:45:23.460 --> 00:45:26.179
Ariana, I think one of the coolest things about

00:45:26.179 --> 00:45:29.820
her, working with her, that's what changed my

00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:32.599
entire... That changed my life, man. You know,

00:45:32.699 --> 00:45:35.340
for the better. It allowed me to come off my

00:45:35.340 --> 00:45:38.820
job permanently. I was working as a bank teller,

00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:42.659
Bank of America, and I just... left, man, put

00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:45.139
my two -week in and moved to LA, cold turkey,

00:45:45.380 --> 00:45:47.360
taking the chance. Shout out to Babyface too,

00:45:47.539 --> 00:45:50.719
Kenny Babyface admin man for giving me an opportunity

00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.880
because that's how I met Ariana, as well as Leon

00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.940
Thomas, as well as how I met Ariana Grande. But

00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:59.719
he allowed me to come into the studio, gave me

00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.639
the opportunity to work. I was a bit homeless

00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:04.940
for a little bit, man. I was sleeping in my car

00:46:04.940 --> 00:46:07.760
and sleeping in the studio. And then I would

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.239
go to the gym where I would work out to shower

00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:12.079
and do all the other things, brush my teeth,

00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:15.599
all those things. But it wasn't until... Because

00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.079
a lot of people, they think when it comes to

00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.239
music that it's an instant gratification or instant

00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.059
success. Like, with Ariana, we did those songs,

00:46:23.139 --> 00:46:25.860
we worked on that project maybe almost six months

00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:29.179
to a year before I saw Chet. But working with

00:46:29.179 --> 00:46:32.119
her, she was... She was such a light, dude. Like,

00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.320
right away, she knows what she wants. I learned

00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.440
a lot from her. She can run an entire studio

00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.760
session herself. Like, very intelligent, very

00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.900
brilliant young lady. Even coming straight out

00:46:44.900 --> 00:46:48.039
of what was in Nickelodeon and Broadway and all

00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.199
those things, she knew exactly what she wanted,

00:46:50.420 --> 00:46:52.699
man. And she was a great person, so I really

00:46:52.699 --> 00:46:54.440
want to thank her for giving me an opportunity

00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.119
because that's what gave me the wills under my

00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:02.059
career to get things going. All right, last thing,

00:47:02.219 --> 00:47:05.619
last question for you. Somebody listening today

00:47:05.619 --> 00:47:09.099
is having a rough day. Maybe they've lost a loved

00:47:09.099 --> 00:47:12.079
one. Maybe life is just extra tough for some

00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.460
reason. And it's not always easy to have faith

00:47:15.460 --> 00:47:17.539
that there's gonna be something better after

00:47:17.539 --> 00:47:21.179
this life. Leave us with a message of hope. Okay,

00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:24.420
so what I would say is someone dealing with,

00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:28.059
you know, struggles of faith was no different.

00:47:28.349 --> 00:47:31.010
I was no different, looking at someone that struggled

00:47:31.010 --> 00:47:35.010
with his faith. Leading up until, you know, 2016,

00:47:35.010 --> 00:47:38.210
going through all those adversities and trials

00:47:38.210 --> 00:47:40.349
that I went through. What I would say is, man,

00:47:40.449 --> 00:47:43.889
you just have to do everything you can to remember

00:47:43.889 --> 00:47:46.230
to keep the main thing the main thing. Just allow

00:47:46.230 --> 00:47:51.010
yourself to always move with love and allow yourself

00:47:51.010 --> 00:47:53.809
to keep family around you. Keep those around

00:47:53.809 --> 00:47:57.150
you that love you. And it's so important because...

00:47:56.909 --> 00:48:00.110
If it wasn't for my loved ones and those around

00:48:00.110 --> 00:48:03.349
me and just love, period, I absolutely wouldn't

00:48:03.349 --> 00:48:06.769
be here today. And I felt the love, you know,

00:48:06.769 --> 00:48:09.369
I could feel the love in my darkest hours, in

00:48:09.369 --> 00:48:12.150
my darkest times. When it's easy, it's easy for

00:48:12.150 --> 00:48:15.269
me if I wanted to just give up and die, right?

00:48:15.269 --> 00:48:17.409
If I wanted to die, I could have just gave up.

00:48:17.610 --> 00:48:21.210
But if it was the power of love and the power

00:48:21.210 --> 00:48:24.949
of prayer and that's what allowed my faith to

00:48:24.949 --> 00:48:28.269
enhance and to get strong. and allow me to pull

00:48:28.269 --> 00:48:30.829
through and persevere. So I just say, man, no

00:48:30.829 --> 00:48:33.929
matter what, just hold your head up. No matter

00:48:33.929 --> 00:48:36.090
what the circumstances are, hey, look at me.

00:48:36.269 --> 00:48:39.309
I went all the way there and came back and now

00:48:39.309 --> 00:48:42.730
I lost it all. And now I've been blessed to have

00:48:42.730 --> 00:48:44.829
more than I've ever had. I'm healthier than I've

00:48:44.829 --> 00:48:48.769
ever been. I have no complications. I have zero

00:48:48.769 --> 00:48:51.429
issues. And there's nothing wrong with me, but

00:48:51.429 --> 00:48:54.690
I'm very thankful to God and I'm thankful for

00:48:54.690 --> 00:48:57.250
my family. I'm thankful for the love that the

00:48:57.250 --> 00:48:59.469
people share around me. So just always remember

00:48:59.469 --> 00:49:03.329
that and keep that the center of the focus. Thank

00:49:03.329 --> 00:49:05.250
you for being a light. Thanks for being with

00:49:05.250 --> 00:49:08.989
me. That's Ricky Slick Music Offered. The book,

00:49:08.989 --> 00:49:11.329
I can't wait to finish it up, 30 Days Between

00:49:11.329 --> 00:49:15.210
Heaven and Hell. It just barely came out, I believe.

00:49:15.809 --> 00:49:18.530
Yeah. September the 1st. It dropped September

00:49:18.530 --> 00:49:21.750
the 1st. Yeah. So hey, good luck in everything

00:49:21.750 --> 00:49:24.110
and keep in touch, Ricky. Thank you, Eric. I

00:49:24.110 --> 00:49:27.159
appreciate it. Thanks again for listening and

00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.539
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