"I Just Knew It Was Jesus"

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I had known in the past I'm

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back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at

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home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

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And I'd like to welcome our very special guest

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today, Chase Schuyler de Mayo, PhD. How are you,

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Chase? I'm great. I'm great. I'm glad that you

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had the PhD because I'm tired. I'm tired from

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going to school. I need a break. So I think I'm

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done with titles for a while. Well, you deserve

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the credibility for it. So way to go. Hey, everybody

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is going to I know they're going to love you

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and they're going to love your story. This is

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one of the best. And I've actually been trying

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to get Chase on the show for a long time now.

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So thank you for reaching out to me this time.

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And it all worked out. Anyway, before we jump

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into your story, I would love a minute or two

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if you we could get to know you. So tell us a

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little bit about Chase. Yeah, I'm a dad, a veteran,

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and I get to share my story about dying. I work

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full time in radio, so it's important I always

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mention that because I share my story. I always

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say my story is always going to be free. I don't

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have a book. I don't offer services. I don't

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have clients. I don't charge to speak. It's just

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so important to me. As we get further into my

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story, I share that, you know, for so long, I

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kind of wondered. why I got to come back. And

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I feel like this is part of my gift that I get

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to come back and share my story and always keep

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it not behind a paywall for you to hear what

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I went through. So that's a quick snippet of

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me. I'm here in Orlando, Florida. I was born

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and raised here. I got to travel around for the

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military. And I'm sure that we'll get to a little

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bit of that in the story as well. But I'm just

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honored to be here. And I'm just honored that

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I get the opportunity to still be alive and get

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to share with people like you. Family, you have

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children? I just met one of them. Yeah, you met

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one of them and the other one was being held.

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So I have an almost four -year -old named Declan

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and then I have a five -month -old named Lachlan

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and my wife Sarah. She's from Australia. We met

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working on a cruise ship and she is awesome.

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So we have little half American, half Aussie

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babies terrorizing the house, probably in the

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background every once in a while. So which accent

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are they gonna come down with? It's funny, because

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of the show Bluey, I think my son's picking up

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more of the accent from the TV show than he is

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my wife, which I don't know if she likes that

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or not, I'll have to ask her. Oh, that's funny.

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What did you do on a cruise ship, by the way?

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I was the DJ, and I got to train the DJs. It

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was really cool. My wife was a performer, so

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she was a dancer and singer in the shows, like

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the Broadway -style shows. And I went on to be

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a DJ. I just wanted to kind of get away and go

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backwards in time and not have such a serious

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job. I got to float around like a pirate for

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a few years and play music for people every five,

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six day cruise. And it was, it was incredible.

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I mean, I got the best thing in the world out

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of it. I got my wife and kids. So certainly no

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regrets doing that. It was all worth it. All

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right. Let's go back to the time when you were

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in the air force and that fateful day, I'll call

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it because it had a lot to do with the rest of

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your life. Tell us what was going on. How long

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had you been in the air force and what was going

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on with your health that led up to this? Yeah,

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so I joined the Air Force in 2006. I'd known

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since seventh grade, so I knew early on that

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the military was for me. My grandfather was in

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the military. My great -grandfather served in

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World War II in Iwo Jima. So it was just one

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of those things where I was just kind of everybody

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knew that I was going to join. So I left right

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out of high school in 2006. pretty much said

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bye to everybody, sold my car, because I was

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never coming back. You know, planned to do 20

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years in the Air Force and just kind of be a

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lifer, as they say in the military. And so I

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went through training and I was going to school,

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basically training to be an Air Force Green Beret.

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It's called a SEER instructor. And I got injured,

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not a crazy injury, just a little bit, you know,

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of like my knee kind of ruptured out, which sounds

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gruesome, but we see football stars. getting

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that injury and coming back, you know, and playing

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like months later. So not the end of the world,

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but they decided ultimately to reclass my job.

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And so I got the pick and I got to be a journalist.

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I always loved writing. I liked photography.

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I liked design. I liked marketing. So very, very

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lucky or blessed. You could say that I got to

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be reclassed into being a journalist. That ends

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me up in Langley, Virginia. Loved it. Got to

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work with. really cool things. And, you know,

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if Jeopardy came on base and wanted to interview

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the pilots of the F -22 Raptor, I got to be there.

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The local news and magazines, they always wanted

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to talk to pilots because it was so cool. And

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so I got to work with them as like a public affairs

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officer. So everything was going great until

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I had to reclassify and retrain shooting an M16

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rifle. So often you obviously have to requalify

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to make sure you're capable to at least shoot

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a gun. It got really hard for me being able to

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kneel down because of the surgery I had on my

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knee. And they basically said, hey, you've got

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to go get this checked out or you can't stay

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in the Air Force. So I knew my time was kind

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of coming up. I knew that maybe my Air Force

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aspirations and goals and dreams were maybe going

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to come to an end, which was really hard for

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me. And I just kind of sunk into, I think, the

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first real depression maybe of my life. I got

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really just kind of down on myself and thought

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this was supposed to be my life purpose. This

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was my goal. Join the military, you know, be

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in the Air Force forever. And it seemed like

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maybe my body wasn't cut out for it. And that

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was really hard for me. So now we're looking

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at, we're in April 2008. And I started showing

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up late to work, maybe not taking it as seriously

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as I should. You know, I regret that now, of

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course, but I was a young kid just thinking,

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you know, what are they gonna do? Fire me, right?

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You know, they can't fire me. I'm gonna get booted

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out. So my supervisor had a key to my dorm room

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because I lived on base. And one morning she

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thought she was gonna catch me sleeping in and

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instead I was completely passed out in my dorm

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room. And that was April 1st, 2008. And that's

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really where my near -death experience started.

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They rushed me to the hospital. You know, I was

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right on base, so a couple minutes away, and

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hooked me up to every equipment possible. They

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started doing blood work. They started giving

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me an IV. They wanted to check, obviously, if

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I hit my head. I was young, and I was in really

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good shape. So they, of course, thought, you

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know, is he taking supplements? Is he on drugs?

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Is he drinking? You know, what would cause this

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young guy to be passed out? And they ran every

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test. And so the nurse came back in. She fiddled

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with my IV. And they basically said, if we can't

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find anything wrong with you after this chest

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x -ray, then we're probably just going to send

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you home. And maybe you just had a little fainting

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spell and no big deal. So as I lay there, she

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walks away to go get this mobile chest x -ray.

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And that's where everything kind of got. That's

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where I started dying, right? Everything got

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really blurry and hazy. time seem to slow down,

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but get faster at the same time. And then alarms

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start going off. You start hearing the beeping.

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It was almost like a cartoon where the nurses

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and doctors start like sprinting by, you know,

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they're like, they almost are running so fast

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into my room that they can't even stop. And so

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everybody starts crowding around me. I kind of

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confused and you know, they're shouting and it's

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so interesting because like I remember them shouting.

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But I also remember that there was like a stillness

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in the room. So you have alarms blaring and things

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beeping, my confusion, their confusion. But it's

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really hard to try to put into words how chaotic

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and calm it was at the exact same time. Did you

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actually flatline, by the way? I did. Yeah, I

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sure did. And that's the hard thing is that I

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actually saw it happen. A gentleman laid to the

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left of me, sat to the left of me and started

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stroking my arm and saying, everything's going

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to be OK. you know, the air is going up into

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your vein and it's gonna hurt but everything's

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gonna be fine. And he was stroking my arm and

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like really nice while everybody was kind of

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on the right side of me, you know, kind of crowded

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around the bed looking and medical terms that

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I didn't know at the time. And I tried to look

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over to the gentleman because this was so calm.

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Like I could plainly hear his voice while everybody

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else was kind of screaming in the hospital noises.

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And I just couldn't turn my head to the left.

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And it just felt like somebody was stopping me

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from looking over to my left. And I kept trying,

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sure enough, this pain in my left arm. Every

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time I share my story, I can almost feel just

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a small little morsel of the amount of pain.

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It was just excruciating. What happened was air

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went through the IV when the nurse kind of fiddled

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with it. And it was just slowly, it felt slow

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to me, slowly going up my vein, you know, to

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stop my heart. It was awful. It was painful.

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And by the time I could finally turn my head

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to the left to see who was, you know, calming

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me and stroking my arm, there was nobody there.

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And there was no way that somebody could have

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been there because, really, the curtain of my

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room was right there. I mean, there is, you know,

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like a one -foot gap. So I look over to my left

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and I see nobody there, and then I kind of look

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up and I watch the screen completely flatline.

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It was... I knew what it meant. You know, I was

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at least coherent enough in that split -second

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moment to go... That's not good. You know, that's

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not supposed to happen And then I was also confused

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because I was so vividly hearing this gentleman

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stroke my arm And he was talking to me and comforting

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me and there was just there was nobody there

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nor was there like I said room For anybody to

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be there. Do you mind if I hop in and interrupt

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you every once in a while? Please do because

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I'll just ramble Okay, because I like to ask

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questions. So please yeah, there's somebody stroking

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your arm. You look there's nobody there So in

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your mind, have you figured out who that was?

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No, it's I don't know who it was. I would love

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to guess, but I know guessing won't do my story

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any justice, right? So I have no idea who it

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could have been. It wasn't a familiar voice.

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It wasn't like it wasn't a family member. It

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was just I know it was a gentleman just based

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off the voice and and the calmness that he felt

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while he was kind of rubbing. He was just sitting

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there just rubbing my arm saying it's fine. This

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is going to hurt. Everything's going to be OK.

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And I assumed it was, you know, a doctor or a

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nurse telling me, you know, hey, something bad

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is happening. But of course, all the doctors

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and nurses were over to my right, you know, concerned

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about trying to figure out why my heart was stopping.

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And they didn't know about the error in the line,

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did they? Not at the time. No, you know, and

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of course, like, of course, the nurse didn't

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mean to do it. Probably nor did she know that

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she did it, of course. So I hold no ill will

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towards her. I'm sure she felt bad enough. But,

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you know, I just think Genuinely, I think that

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this was what was supposed to happen. I was supposed

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to die in a controlled environment in order for

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me to come back. So unfortunately for the doctors

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and nurses, I think that I feel worse for them

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than myself that they had to watch me die, even

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though it was probably pre -planned and supposed

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to happen that way. All right. Well, I'm sorry

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I had to interrupt. So keep going and I'll just

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interrupt now in any way, but go ahead and keep

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telling your story from there. So I watched myself

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flatline. I watched the nurses and doctors. I

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so vividly remember their faces of me dying.

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That's one tough moment for my near -death experience.

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Everything else was really beautiful, but that

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was tough to watch the reaction on other people

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of somebody dying in front of them. And I think

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I kind of keep that with me in my pocket to remember,

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you know, what suffering looks like and what

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suffering looks like through somebody else's

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eyes, I should say. But in that moment... I experienced

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extreme, extreme bliss. Like, it felt like ice

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pouring out of my chest. The coolest feeling

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you could ever imagine. Just this amazing, freeing,

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gravity -defying feeling just in my heart and

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in my midsection here. And it just felt like

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light, if you could quantify what light feels

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like. Not the sun, because the sun is hot, but

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just this incredible, incredible feeling of joy

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kind of pouring out of my chest. And I felt my

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body kind of gravitate upwards. I can't say that

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it was like a tornado heading up. It just felt

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like a lifting feeling, like you're no longer

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being held by gravity. So I started floating

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upwards and I remember hearing, it just felt

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like bells and chimes and whistles, just like

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this pleasant, not music, but just this really

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nice feeling. almost like if you take an elevator

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up in a fancy building and you hear that elevator

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music. I kind of got a little bit of elevator

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music, so it was nice. I don't think at that

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time that I thought, oh, I just died. I saw myself

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flatlined, but it happened so quickly from seeing

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myself flatlined to seeing the reaction of the

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nurses and doctors and then my body going upwards

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that you didn't really have time to go, what's

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happening? What's going on? You just kind of...

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went with the flow and said, okay, so here I

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go. And my body was floating upwards and couldn't

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see where I was going, but I was happy and I

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felt like I was being surrounded by things that

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I really couldn't see. You know, I don't know

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if it was angels. I don't know if it was loved

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ones. It was just a surrounding feeling like,

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hey, you're not alone and this is nice. And before

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I knew it, I ended up in the most incredible

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garden you could ever imagine. The most beautiful

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Martha Stewart quality garden. It was beautiful.

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It was like purples and blues and greens and

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colors that we don't have here. It was stunning.

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It was so bright and beautiful. For me, it was

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really vivid because I remember my feet sinking

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into dirt. And I personally, I hate the feeling

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of feet, my feet in dirt. I'm here in Orlando,

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Florida. And so you don't really walk in the

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dirt here because we have fire ants. So that

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was like a big thing for me. I just remember

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because in a dream, you don't really feel right.

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If you feel something, you normally jump up and

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you're awake. but I remember my feet sinking

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in and feeling the grit of the dirt in between

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my toes and going, oh, this is real. This is

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really happening. And way up ahead, I mean, we're

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talking a few hundred yards up ahead, I see a

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gentleman and a little boy. And before I know

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it, I'm right there. I didn't walk. I don't remember

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flying, but I just remember being. seeing them

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far away, and then immediately I'm just a few

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feet away from them. There's this little blonde

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boy with curly hair, and he's just running away.

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He thinks he's running away from this gentleman

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in a robe, and the gentleman in the robe is,

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of course, letting him think that this little

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boy is getting away, and his arms are kind of

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behind his back, and he's smiling and laughing,

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and this little boy is just having the time of

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his life. Silly, goofy, cheeky, thinks he's being

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naughty, but not really naughty. And he's free,

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like the, you know, as I tell you the story,

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like my chest is like, my heart's booming out

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of my chest, because it's just, it was this beautiful

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interaction of what every child should experience,

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right? And that's just the freedom of being themselves

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and being happy and not worried about what's

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happening later that day, not worried about how

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they're gonna, you know, pay their rent. This

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little boy was just gleeful, right? And before

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I knew it, the gentleman in the robe turned and

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looked at me with this big smile on his face.

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And I was like, that's Jesus. Immediately. And

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I always say when I share my story, I grew up

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in, you know, like a Catholic household. My parents

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would convince me that if I sat still and didn't

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cause a ruckus in church, they would take me,

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you know, to get a sandwich afterwards. They

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would have to bribe me to be good in church.

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And that was kind of my experience. You know,

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I got baptized. I went through confirmation.

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I did all the good stuff that you can do in church

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to be a good... church kid, but had you asked

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me the night before April 1st, what happens if

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you die tomorrow? I certainly would not have

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said I'm going to go meet Jesus. I'm going to

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go float up in heaven. I mean, I had no prior

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thoughts about death. I didn't I don't think

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I really at that age took that seriously. I didn't

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care. Maybe maybe that's a good thing when you

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join the military to not have that fear, but

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but I share all that to say that I. I thought

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maybe I would see Elvis, you know, in heaven.

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I don't know what I expected, but I didn't expect

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to see Jesus. And what was important for me,

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too, was he looked nothing like what I grew up

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seeing. You know, when I walked into a Catholic

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church as a kid, you see a gentleman in long

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hair and usually, you know, a beard sometimes

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and in the worst possible physical day of his

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human life, right? Like, he's frail, he's beaten.

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And this was such like a young, vibrant man with

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like short brown hair, big beautiful smile, big

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green eyes. But I just knew. I mean, I knew 100

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% that it was Jesus. As if like, Eric, you and

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I have met this time and then I see you next

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week and I'm like, oh, there's Eric. It kind

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of blew me away that I was standing face to face

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with him. But before I could really like take

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that in and question like, hey, Jesus, you know,

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I looked over and I realized that the little

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boy was me. And I didn't connect the dots until

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then. I had light, light hair back then and curly

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hair and just way different. And I started to

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kind of take in what I was seeing. You know,

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I'm watching myself as a little boy be happy

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as can be, not taking life seriously, enjoying

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himself. And then I'm watching him interacting

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with Jesus. And that's when I realized, like,

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oh, I'm in heaven now. This is what it is. This

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is what's going on. And I had this beautiful

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interaction. We didn't talk. We didn't talk like

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you and I are, Eric, and we didn't share words,

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but I just felt like I was getting this wealth

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of information, or a reminder of information,

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I should say. I don't think I was learning anything

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new. It was kind of like, hey, you're taking

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everything, you know better. You're taking everything

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so seriously. You know you're supposed to do

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this. You know you're supposed to do that. Like

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this is the way. And I was just sitting there

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kind of like taking the information and going,

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.co And then very vividly, right at the end of

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this incredible exchange, he said, don't forget,

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your job is to bring back light, laughter and

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love. And the laughter part, I felt like he italicized

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laughter. I remember the laughter part being

00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:23.420
so important, because I think growing up, that

00:20:23.420 --> 00:20:26.599
was my thing. I'm one of many, many kids in my

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family. And everybody had their thing. We had

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my super athletic brother, and we had my incredibly

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smart brother, and my, you know, sports savvy

00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.259
sister, and my really kind sister. We all kind

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of had labels growing up. And mine was just,

00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:41.579
you know, as the baby of the family, I just tried

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to be goofy to get somebody to laugh. You know,

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that was kind of my goal. And so growing up,

00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:48.259
people are always like, hey, you know, you can

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make people laugh. So when he said that, it felt

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personal, like it didn't just seem like go back

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and spread love and, you know, you're on your

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way. It felt like he knew me and he knew a strength

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of mine. And so before before I could even, you

00:21:02.900 --> 00:21:05.660
know, say anything else, he just said, it's time

00:21:05.660 --> 00:21:07.720
for you to go back now. And I just smiled and

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said, yeah, I know, I know it is. And that was

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it. There was no goodbye. There was no grand

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ceremony. There was no. horns and trumpet, nor

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was there any like physical feeling of, I want

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to stay or please keep me here. It was like you

00:21:22.509 --> 00:21:24.349
clocking out for work and saying like, yep, I'll

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see you all tomorrow. That was it. Before I knew

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it, I was back in my body. There was no thud

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or thump or anything dramatic. It just felt like

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I was back in my body. So I start to slowly open

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my eyes and you kind of think it's, you know,

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when you have like an incredible dream. close

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your eyes again you're like okay just one more

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minute just give me one more minute of that and

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I realized that this wasn't a dream so I opened

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my eyes all the way and I'm in a completely different

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room I'm not in the same room and very quickly

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because I could see the window there's nobody

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walking by I was not hooked up to anything I

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had no cords on me anymore no equipment it was

00:22:01.329 --> 00:22:03.920
kind of like really dim but there was a bright

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window out the side and nobody was walking by

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in uniform. At the time, everybody was wearing

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still like, we call them BDUs. So if anybody's

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a veteran, you're like, wow, he was in the military

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a long time ago. But we called them BDUs. Nobody

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was walking by in BDUs. Started calling out like,

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hello, hello, hello. And a nurse came in and

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she looked super confused. She was like, let

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me go get the doctor and just ran out. And within,

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I don't know, maybe a minute of time passed,

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you know, the doctor came walking in and he just

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looked completely baffled. Your classic like

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scratching the back of his head going, I don't

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know what to say. He said, I'm gonna call the

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Air Force base. We're gonna send you back to

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the Air Force base and they can talk to you and

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go from there. And that was really it. So you

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were at the morgue, were you at the morgue? I

00:22:51.859 --> 00:22:55.359
was off base about 10 minutes away from the base

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in a civilian hospital in a dark room. So I was

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not in unless that room was the morgue room,

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which I didn't ask. There was a there was a phone

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in the room. So I don't know if they typically

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put phones in the morgue. It was a hospital in

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Hampton, Virginia. Yeah. I'm just trying to piece

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this together because he looked shocked. You

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had nothing connected to you. Did they think

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you were dead and just sent you on to wherever

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or one of those long -term care facilities or

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something for people that are never going to

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wake up? Did you ever get to the bottom of that?

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What was it? I'm so glad you asked that because

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I promise you I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

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So the Air Force sent me off base to pronounce

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me dead, right? They didn't want an airman to

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die on base, which is, unfortunately, that's

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like kind of standard procedure. I mean, you

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even have theme parts here in Orlando that will

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try to... transport somebody off so they don't

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they don't end up in the news right so no hard

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feelings there but you know I ended up it's the

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next closest er so it's 10 minutes away it's

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right down the road from one of the base exits

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and I can picture it how you know you would drive

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it basically I don't know if it was a morgue

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it wasn't freezing cold so you know unless the

00:24:04.900 --> 00:24:07.200
AC was off that day but I was I was completely

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unconnected but what's interesting though to

00:24:10.299 --> 00:24:12.940
share that part is that was April 1st that I

00:24:12.940 --> 00:24:15.279
flatlined. And when I called my friends, it was

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April 2nd. So I don't know how much how long

00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:21.059
I was dead for. I don't know if it was 30 minutes,

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if it was a couple of hours. I don't know, but

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it was daytime the next day. So from April 1st

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and then I woke up April 2nd. I don't think I

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was dead for, let's say, 24 hours, but I just

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really didn't have a concept of how long I was

00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:37.900
in the Air Force Hospital. And then when I called

00:24:37.900 --> 00:24:41.119
my friends, but I called my friend. Luckily back

00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:42.799
then I memorized phone numbers. Now we don't

00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:45.019
do that anymore. Just tap the name and the phone,

00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:47.259
but I called a friend and I said, I'm starving.

00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.839
I just died. I really want to go to Chick -fil

00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:52.900
-A. And they said, okay. And so my friends picked

00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:55.859
me up. I didn't even go back to base yet. And

00:24:55.859 --> 00:24:58.519
we went and had lunch and I did what any teenage

00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:00.819
kid probably at that time would do. I went on

00:25:00.819 --> 00:25:03.279
Facebook and I posted me in my hospital with

00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.109
my hospital band on and said, It's the day I

00:25:06.109 --> 00:25:09.009
basically died and I knew I was healthy. So I

00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:11.390
kind of made a joke out of it and and that was

00:25:11.390 --> 00:25:14.210
it. I told my friends what happened and I'm sure

00:25:14.210 --> 00:25:16.150
some of them believe me. I'm sure some of them

00:25:16.150 --> 00:25:18.890
thought I had lost my mind. I want to come back

00:25:18.890 --> 00:25:22.150
to the incredibly beautiful stuff. OK, I'm not

00:25:22.150 --> 00:25:23.849
I'm not going to ignore that, but this is kind

00:25:23.849 --> 00:25:25.890
of blowing me away for so let me just make sure

00:25:25.890 --> 00:25:29.950
I get it. So the Air Force must have thought

00:25:29.950 --> 00:25:33.289
you're beyond saving at some point. sent you

00:25:33.289 --> 00:25:35.549
to another facility where they would declare

00:25:35.549 --> 00:25:38.809
you dead, officially, because you had no IVs,

00:25:38.990 --> 00:25:41.470
no nothing hooked up to you. Now, you're not

00:25:41.470 --> 00:25:43.789
April fooling us, right? Because this was April

00:25:43.789 --> 00:25:47.230
1st. You know what? It's the worst and best April

00:25:47.230 --> 00:25:49.569
fool's joke, too. Every time that I share this

00:25:49.569 --> 00:25:52.049
story, I'm like, yeah, the irony that it happened

00:25:52.049 --> 00:25:56.369
on April 1st is not lost on me. I woke up completely

00:25:56.369 --> 00:25:59.269
unconnected to anything. No equipment on me.

00:25:59.470 --> 00:26:01.829
in a different city, technically, right? I was

00:26:01.829 --> 00:26:05.609
off base in Hampton, Virginia and years later.

00:26:06.109 --> 00:26:07.869
So I know we're going to get further along kind

00:26:07.869 --> 00:26:09.670
of what happened after my near -death experience.

00:26:09.710 --> 00:26:13.009
But an important note is I wrote the hospital

00:26:13.009 --> 00:26:14.910
when I said, you know, I don't want to share

00:26:14.910 --> 00:26:17.230
this story publicly until I can prove it happened,

00:26:17.230 --> 00:26:19.210
which for anybody listening, if you've had a

00:26:19.210 --> 00:26:20.670
near -death experience, you don't need proof.

00:26:20.710 --> 00:26:23.569
But I did because I'm very scientifically minded

00:26:23.569 --> 00:26:25.910
and I didn't want people to go, oh, he's crazy.

00:26:25.910 --> 00:26:28.029
He's making it up. So I went through all of my

00:26:28.029 --> 00:26:30.839
medical records. I pulled all my military records.

00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.079
You know, I went, I even reached out to like

00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:35.700
the national center. I forget the name, the national

00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:38.539
center of like military information. And I wrote

00:26:38.539 --> 00:26:41.200
that hospital and they wrote back. There's no

00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:43.279
history of a patient being in this hospital.

00:26:43.460 --> 00:26:46.240
However, about two years later, when I lived

00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.660
in Hampton, Virginia, I had gotten in a car accident

00:26:48.660 --> 00:26:50.839
and went to that hospital and there's a whole

00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.680
lawsuit thing. I got rear -ended and I used to

00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.359
have records saying that, you know, I went to

00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:58.349
the hospital for basically scrapes and bumps

00:26:58.349 --> 00:27:01.630
and bruises from the airbag deploying. So I had

00:27:01.630 --> 00:27:04.190
been a patient in that hospital before afterwards.

00:27:04.769 --> 00:27:06.410
And when I wrote the hospital, they said that

00:27:06.410 --> 00:27:08.309
patient by that name has never been here before.

00:27:08.369 --> 00:27:10.170
And it was written on a sticky note, so like

00:27:10.170 --> 00:27:12.970
super unofficial. So again, not a conspiracy

00:27:12.970 --> 00:27:16.170
theorist, but it's obvious that there was some

00:27:16.170 --> 00:27:18.829
coordination there to just hopefully make sure

00:27:18.829 --> 00:27:21.029
that this story didn't necessarily come to light

00:27:21.029 --> 00:27:23.740
like it has. All right, we're recording this

00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:26.660
in the month of August. I just want people to

00:27:26.660 --> 00:27:29.839
know this is not an April Fool prank. This is

00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:33.720
not a Chick -fil -A ad. Not at all. This is unbelievable.

00:27:34.579 --> 00:27:37.200
Okay. Well, some of this is going to go unexplained

00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.599
and that's okay. I can deal with that. Holy cow.

00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:44.680
Couple of questions. First of all, when you remember

00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.740
when the doctors, nurses were working on you,

00:27:48.829 --> 00:27:51.450
And you talked about being able to see their

00:27:51.450 --> 00:27:54.150
faces and kind of the terror because you were

00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:58.150
dying. Do you feel like you were? I mean, a lot

00:27:58.150 --> 00:27:59.930
of people have told me, oh, they were up in the

00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:02.109
corner of the room seeing their body and all

00:28:02.109 --> 00:28:04.910
these things going on. Was that you or were you

00:28:04.910 --> 00:28:07.549
more looking up at him or how did that? I was

00:28:07.549 --> 00:28:09.529
in my body still. Yeah, I was still in my body.

00:28:09.569 --> 00:28:11.210
I was still very aware because they were above

00:28:11.210 --> 00:28:13.569
me. The gentleman to the left of me and then

00:28:13.569 --> 00:28:15.410
the screen, you know, the monitor to my, you

00:28:15.410 --> 00:28:18.269
know, my upper left up here. This is where the

00:28:18.269 --> 00:28:20.750
monitor was. The gentleman to the left of me

00:28:20.750 --> 00:28:23.430
was here, and all the doctors and nurses were

00:28:23.430 --> 00:28:26.250
all looking over me. So I was still in my body.

00:28:26.809 --> 00:28:29.769
And I will say, like, even how vividly I remember

00:28:29.769 --> 00:28:32.930
those moments, I was very aware still. The pain

00:28:32.930 --> 00:28:35.529
was excruciating. Maybe the worst pain I've ever

00:28:35.529 --> 00:28:38.170
felt in my life, a feeling that the air go up

00:28:38.170 --> 00:28:41.250
my arm, but then also feeling on that same arm

00:28:41.250 --> 00:28:43.650
somebody come for me and, you know, kind of stroking

00:28:43.650 --> 00:28:46.880
my arm. So... All of those emotions and reactions

00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.019
felt just incredibly real. I mean, as as real

00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:51.099
as the gentleman that wasn't there to my left,

00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.339
it felt like obviously the doctors and nurses.

00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:56.039
Everything felt like I was kind of handling not

00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.500
to quote that that quote or that movie, but it

00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:00.880
was everything everywhere all at once, you know,

00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.140
is the best way to describe it. OK, now let's

00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:07.700
clarify one thing. You also talked about after

00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:12.970
that, your body going up, OK? Most people would

00:29:12.970 --> 00:29:16.190
say my spirit or my consciousness went up. My

00:29:16.190 --> 00:29:19.349
body was left there on the bed. Why did you use

00:29:19.349 --> 00:29:21.250
the term body? Because it was still there in

00:29:21.250 --> 00:29:23.750
the hospital room, right? Yeah, you're right.

00:29:23.849 --> 00:29:26.190
I say body because I remember the feeling of

00:29:26.190 --> 00:29:29.369
my feet in the dirt. Like I still felt like myself.

00:29:29.450 --> 00:29:31.329
I still you know, I didn't have a mirror, but

00:29:31.329 --> 00:29:33.769
I was still chase. I still felt like I was in

00:29:33.769 --> 00:29:37.089
my physical. I had arms and legs, right? So.

00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.900
When I landed in that garden and I felt my feet

00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:42.680
touch, the only explanation I can have is that

00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.140
my body, my body rose up and came back down.

00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.019
So obviously, people can interpret that how was

00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:51.240
it my soul, you know, or just was it my mind

00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.319
picturing that I had a body. But how I can differentiate

00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:56.960
how real it was for me was that feeling of my

00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.380
feet being in the dirt, which was my first actual

00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:03.019
sensation besides kind of that joyful, gravity

00:30:03.019 --> 00:30:06.200
-free feeling. So knowing that I had legs and

00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.339
arms is important, I think important for me to

00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:11.039
remember. Okay, we're going to talk about this

00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.980
a little bit more off mic. I don't want to go

00:30:12.980 --> 00:30:16.019
down this rabbit hole too far. But let me tell

00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:18.019
you something that other people have told me

00:30:18.019 --> 00:30:20.640
and maybe this will bring a little clarity to

00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:23.380
it if you feel like you need any. I have had

00:30:23.380 --> 00:30:26.220
other people say that when they were in their

00:30:26.220 --> 00:30:29.779
spirit form in heaven or whatever they want to

00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:33.809
call it, this world of spirits. That they actually

00:30:33.809 --> 00:30:37.750
hugged other people and felt other people But

00:30:37.750 --> 00:30:39.809
they didn't feel like they were in their body

00:30:39.809 --> 00:30:42.869
Is it possible that that was what was going on

00:30:42.869 --> 00:30:45.710
with you that your body was down there? And maybe

00:30:45.710 --> 00:30:48.789
your spirit can feel things just because you're

00:30:48.789 --> 00:30:51.069
in a spirit form maybe doesn't mean that you

00:30:51.069 --> 00:30:54.869
can't feel dirt and Smell good things and all

00:30:54.869 --> 00:30:57.529
that kind of stuff. Is that a possibility? Of

00:30:57.529 --> 00:30:59.549
course, yeah. I mean, I had never thought of

00:30:59.549 --> 00:31:01.549
it that way. You know, and I'll be honest, I

00:31:01.549 --> 00:31:04.109
don't listen to a lot of other near -death experiences

00:31:04.109 --> 00:31:06.369
because I feel their pain when I hear their stories

00:31:06.369 --> 00:31:08.910
and that's hard for me. So, and I always want

00:31:08.910 --> 00:31:11.490
to keep my story genuine. I don't want to listen

00:31:11.490 --> 00:31:13.349
to other people's stories and go, oh, yeah, you

00:31:13.349 --> 00:31:16.029
know, so I'm glad that you shared that because

00:31:16.029 --> 00:31:19.509
I think there's a strong possibility that it

00:31:19.509 --> 00:31:22.380
wasn't really my human body up there. Because

00:31:22.380 --> 00:31:23.920
like I said, I didn't have a mirror. So it's

00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:25.839
hard to look at what I looked like. Maybe I didn't

00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:27.759
even look like me. I didn't I never even really

00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.339
thought of that. That's kind of cool. And I think

00:31:30.339 --> 00:31:34.019
it is just so amazingly beautiful that you saw

00:31:34.019 --> 00:31:37.759
yourself as a child, because isn't that the best

00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.359
of us? Right. When we're how old would you say

00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.279
that child looked three and a half, three years

00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.640
old, kind of like the same age as maybe my son

00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:49.019
is now. Yeah. I mean at that point life is just

00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:53.960
so innocent and so worry free. It's just so wonderful

00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:58.019
at that time that I think the symbolism of that

00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:00.759
with all this innocence in this interaction with

00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.359
Jesus is just incredibly beautiful. Are there

00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.339
any other details of that part of it that you

00:32:07.339 --> 00:32:09.640
can remember that you want to share? It felt

00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.420
like time stood still. It felt like maybe I was

00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:14.819
up there for an hour and then at the same time

00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:17.529
it's like two minutes of memory. Which is hard,

00:32:17.650 --> 00:32:19.329
right? Because I wish I remembered the hour.

00:32:19.529 --> 00:32:22.470
But you're just experiencing so many new feelings

00:32:22.470 --> 00:32:25.130
and sensations or remembering so many new feelings

00:32:25.130 --> 00:32:28.309
and sensations that what I will say is, is that

00:32:28.309 --> 00:32:31.509
I am so confident that heaven is real, no matter

00:32:31.509 --> 00:32:33.809
what your version of heaven looks like. Some

00:32:33.809 --> 00:32:35.470
people go, oh, you know, you ended up in the

00:32:35.470 --> 00:32:37.049
garden because that's what you needed to see.

00:32:37.069 --> 00:32:39.890
And if that's the case, I'm fortunate because

00:32:39.890 --> 00:32:41.769
if that's what I have to look forward to when

00:32:41.769 --> 00:32:45.519
my time is up here on Earth, I am. excited to

00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.619
go back to the garden. Let's put it that way.

00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.299
I am, I'm so certain that everybody, everybody

00:32:51.299 --> 00:32:53.799
gets to experience some form of bliss that I

00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:55.700
got to experience. I don't think it was just

00:32:55.700 --> 00:32:58.480
me that gets to experience that. I'm not special

00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.779
compared to anybody at all. I'm just a kid from

00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:03.660
Orlando. So the fact that I got to see myself

00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:06.019
as a little kid, I think was the reminder I needed

00:33:06.019 --> 00:33:08.339
that I know better. And luckily Jesus was there

00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.579
to kind of look at me and go. You're taking it

00:33:10.579 --> 00:33:13.119
way too seriously. Like your life isn't over

00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:14.680
just because you got hurt, you know, and you

00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.980
don't get to be in the military anymore. And

00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:20.059
so I got the lesson I needed, which was a perfect

00:33:20.059 --> 00:33:22.700
lesson that I that I hope is continue to help

00:33:22.700 --> 00:33:26.500
other people. I hope you seeing that child also

00:33:26.500 --> 00:33:30.660
means that in the eternities, we're still going

00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:34.420
to be childlike in many ways where we're in awe

00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:38.940
of things. and we can run around and be a little,

00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:42.359
yeah, I hope we can be childlike. That's where

00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.460
all those feelings come from. There was one term

00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:49.119
that you used that was so unusual. You described

00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.619
the bliss as ice, feeling like ice pouring out

00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:54.240
of your chest. I've never heard it described

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.039
like that before. Yeah. You know why? Because

00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.180
being in Florida, it's hot as heck out here.

00:34:00.539 --> 00:34:02.599
There's no better feeling when you're playing

00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.990
outside as a kid. and your parents give you a

00:34:05.990 --> 00:34:08.389
bunch of ice water or lemonade or something.

00:34:08.710 --> 00:34:10.769
And it just feels, you can feel the coolness

00:34:10.769 --> 00:34:13.349
going down into your chest. And that's what it

00:34:13.349 --> 00:34:15.869
felt like. It felt like the most cooling sensation.

00:34:17.389 --> 00:34:20.030
That's the best way to describe it. It felt like

00:34:20.030 --> 00:34:23.630
ice, just the most freezing feeling, freezing

00:34:23.630 --> 00:34:27.230
with a Z. of like being free, like just shooting

00:34:27.230 --> 00:34:30.070
out, like a rainbow pouring out of your chest.

00:34:30.210 --> 00:34:32.730
I mean, there's only so many metaphors, you know,

00:34:32.730 --> 00:34:36.449
to describe it. It just gets, my jaw hurts right

00:34:36.449 --> 00:34:39.289
now from smiling because I just, I love explaining

00:34:39.289 --> 00:34:42.769
that feeling of joy that I got because there's

00:34:42.769 --> 00:34:45.550
no weight of the world. There's no, you're not

00:34:45.550 --> 00:34:48.329
being held down by anything. It was just completely

00:34:48.329 --> 00:34:52.110
freeing. It's a special feeling that I look forward

00:34:52.110 --> 00:34:54.389
to everybody experiencing. Now, I wasn't going

00:34:54.389 --> 00:34:56.570
to say I hope everybody gets to feel it. I'm

00:34:56.570 --> 00:34:59.130
looking forward to everybody someday getting

00:34:59.130 --> 00:35:01.849
to feel that feeling. All right. Let's talk a

00:35:01.849 --> 00:35:04.369
little bit about what life was like afterwards.

00:35:04.849 --> 00:35:08.969
You were sent back with this mission. Don't forget

00:35:08.969 --> 00:35:11.750
your job is to take back. Did I get it right?

00:35:11.949 --> 00:35:15.150
Light, laughter and love. Yes. Were those the

00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:17.769
three words? Those were. So how has that changed

00:35:17.769 --> 00:35:19.829
your life? How have you been able to do that?

00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:22.940
It's changed everything. It's changed my life,

00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.320
my families, my friends, and hopefully other

00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:29.039
people. When I came back, I felt like I had,

00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:31.480
I was kind of energized, right? Like I had a

00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:33.360
chance. I got out of the Air Force and on my

00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.320
last day in the Air Force, actual last day on

00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.659
paper, I auditioned for like a local TV competition.

00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:42.780
I'd never grown up doing drama or theater or

00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:45.179
dancing or singing. Like that wasn't, I was like,

00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:47.000
I'm gonna be the military kid. That's gonna be

00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.039
my identity, you know? So no training in that,

00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.960
but I auditioned to be kind of the face of a

00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.179
local TV station, went through the process. And,

00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.119
you know, I kind of was remembering like, I'm

00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.239
going to go spread light and laughter, do all

00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:01.780
these things. And sure enough, I made it all

00:36:01.780 --> 00:36:04.219
the way. And I got to be an announcer for a local

00:36:04.219 --> 00:36:06.500
baseball team and hockey team there in Norfolk.

00:36:06.739 --> 00:36:09.320
And then I got to work in radio and then I started

00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:12.760
DJing. And I was like doing iconic, I call it

00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.849
my selfish. kind of era in a sense because I

00:36:15.849 --> 00:36:18.829
wasn't openly sharing my story, but I was remembering

00:36:18.829 --> 00:36:21.929
the values and kind of the lesson from it. I

00:36:21.929 --> 00:36:23.710
started doing stand -up comedy and I even got

00:36:23.710 --> 00:36:25.469
the headline, you know, at like a legitimate

00:36:25.469 --> 00:36:28.570
comedy club in Virginia. And I wanted to learn

00:36:28.570 --> 00:36:31.610
how to dance. So I got my certification to be

00:36:31.610 --> 00:36:33.789
a ballroom dancer and I did break dancing. Like

00:36:33.789 --> 00:36:36.909
I joined a break dance thing. I got to host competitions,

00:36:36.909 --> 00:36:39.409
you know, on the microphone. And I mean, I was

00:36:39.409 --> 00:36:41.820
like living it up. People would always say like

00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:43.440
you're burning it at both ends. You know, I had

00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.760
a full -time job and I was doing all of this

00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:47.679
stuff It was just every day. I was somewhere

00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.659
doing something and Learning wasn't like sitting

00:36:50.659 --> 00:36:52.940
through school at kindergarten through 12th grade,

00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.440
you know learning about stuff I was just like

00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.480
learning all the things that had ever interested

00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.460
me and for whatever reason was like no I have

00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:01.940
to act too cool for that. I'm too cool to go

00:37:01.940 --> 00:37:04.659
be a ballroom dance instructor You know or I

00:37:04.659 --> 00:37:07.800
can't do a break dancing and I just I had no

00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.179
fear for such a long time And then unfortunately,

00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.539
life grabbed a hold of me again. And it was like,

00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.739
are you having fun? You're gonna have to settle

00:37:16.739 --> 00:37:19.679
down eventually and be a grownup. I started slowly

00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:21.659
losing all of my hobbies, just shedding them

00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:24.659
off for the reason of, no, no, this is what being

00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:26.300
a grownup is supposed to look like. You know,

00:37:26.300 --> 00:37:28.019
I'm supposed to have a nice house and a nice

00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:31.199
car and a good job and impress people and get

00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.000
married. And, you know, it started to take a

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.440
hold of me again. It was almost like a darkness.

00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.920
without sounding too dramatic. I started giving

00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.500
up the things that brought me joy. And I went

00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:42.780
on a retreat and it was like a mental health

00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:45.619
retreat for veterans. And we worked on all these

00:37:45.619 --> 00:37:47.920
different things like breath work. And really

00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.380
it was kind of like just sitting still and allowing

00:37:50.380 --> 00:37:54.039
yourself to be free and no cell phones. And when

00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:55.880
I came back, my wife looked at me in the face.

00:37:56.059 --> 00:37:57.659
She said, you look completely different. You

00:37:57.659 --> 00:37:59.500
look like a different person. And it was, I was

00:37:59.500 --> 00:38:02.559
only gone for five days. And that night is when

00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.460
I started. openly sharing my story, basically.

00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.480
It was when my life changed. So we're talking

00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.659
12 years later. So that was April 2008 that I

00:38:11.659 --> 00:38:15.219
died. And then it wasn't until late 2020, you

00:38:15.219 --> 00:38:17.940
know, COVID year that I really started opening

00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:19.920
up and saying, OK, I'm going to there's a reason

00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.440
why I'm here now. And I've done all these fun

00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.460
things. And it's time to share that my lesson

00:38:25.460 --> 00:38:27.440
with the world and not worry if people think

00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.559
I'm crazy or if I'm making it up. You know, those

00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:31.539
those were fears. And at a certain point, I'd

00:38:31.539 --> 00:38:34.280
said. Whoever let me come back and have a second

00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:35.559
life, you know, they're gonna get it They're

00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.280
gonna get really mad at me eventually if I don't

00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.820
start doing this, you know, they're gonna they're

00:38:38.820 --> 00:38:41.760
not gonna let me come back the second time so

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.059
I started sharing it and I Started learning that

00:38:45.059 --> 00:38:47.139
I had more gifts than I think I realized, you

00:38:47.139 --> 00:38:49.059
know or at least becoming more accepting of some

00:38:49.059 --> 00:38:50.760
of the gifts that I think I got from my near

00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.539
-death experience and I started going to school

00:38:53.539 --> 00:38:56.630
so I started school for alternative medicine

00:38:56.630 --> 00:38:59.989
in 2020. Right after that retreat, I started

00:38:59.989 --> 00:39:01.909
researching schools of things that I was personally

00:39:01.909 --> 00:39:04.530
interested in, not worried about where the college

00:39:04.530 --> 00:39:07.010
was or the fancy name of the college. It was

00:39:07.010 --> 00:39:09.590
like, this is what I want to learn about. So

00:39:09.590 --> 00:39:12.210
I started alternative medicine school. Then I

00:39:12.210 --> 00:39:14.489
got my master's in metaphysical science and then

00:39:14.489 --> 00:39:16.929
a doctorate in holistic counseling. And there

00:39:16.929 --> 00:39:20.940
was no end goal of I'm going to and I'm gonna

00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:23.639
start charging people to counsel them or to bring

00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.380
them happiness. It was just, I just wanted to

00:39:26.380 --> 00:39:28.420
keep learning some more things that I loved.

00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.800
And I started getting my hobbies back. And I

00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.159
re -corrected that like kind of darker period

00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:37.300
of worrying about the car, the house, how other

00:39:37.300 --> 00:39:40.139
people perceive me. And I've never felt more

00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:43.260
free in this moment, like today with my two boys

00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:46.239
and my wife than I've ever felt. the possessions

00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.340
don't matter it's these like little glimpses

00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:51.320
in my son's eyes or getting to do fun stuff or

00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:54.420
making them laugh i'm very very very fortunate

00:39:54.420 --> 00:39:58.340
to to get to be here and and share what i've

00:39:58.340 --> 00:40:01.179
learned well i think this is a great way to wrap

00:40:01.179 --> 00:40:04.320
up our theme for the day is going to be shed

00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:09.360
fear embrace light laughter and love what a great

00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.489
way to live your life Thank you, Eric. I always

00:40:12.489 --> 00:40:15.110
want to say that I appreciate what you do. It's

00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:17.070
a labor of love. I know it's a lot of work making

00:40:17.070 --> 00:40:20.250
podcasts and interviews and chasing after people.

00:40:20.530 --> 00:40:23.409
But, you know, without you and creative people

00:40:23.409 --> 00:40:25.849
and people who care about sharing these stories,

00:40:26.289 --> 00:40:28.090
these stories don't get out. And the cool thing

00:40:28.090 --> 00:40:30.550
is, is I'll get emails all the time about, I

00:40:30.550 --> 00:40:33.309
listen to you on this and I fix this and I'm

00:40:33.309 --> 00:40:36.349
working on this now. So without people like you,

00:40:36.449 --> 00:40:39.170
my story doesn't get out. So I, from the bottom

00:40:39.170 --> 00:40:41.809
of my heart, appreciate you. And I'm just grateful

00:40:41.809 --> 00:40:45.750
that we can be a part of of you helping other

00:40:45.750 --> 00:40:48.349
people through your story. I'll put it that way

00:40:48.349 --> 00:40:51.150
because we now have this vehicle to get it out

00:40:51.150 --> 00:40:53.489
to thousands and thousands of people for you.

00:40:54.150 --> 00:40:56.369
So anyway, Chase, appreciate you very much. Thanks

00:40:56.369 --> 00:40:58.980
for being with me today. Thank you. Thank you

00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:02.480
so much. Thanks again for listening and sharing

00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.800
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00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.320
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00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.000
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