A Raw Conversation With Eric & Will, The Podcast Creators

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From the time that they pronounced me dead was

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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart. My heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying, but I

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didn't realize that was actually my physical

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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing

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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute

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love and peace, there wasn't anything else to

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be felt. I was greeted by people I had known

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in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly

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safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round

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Trip Death, everybody. You are not going to believe

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who my special guest is today. It's my son Will.

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Say hi, Will. Hello, everybody. It's great to

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finally be on the show. Maybe it's good for you

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to see my face. Maybe not, but I'm happy to be

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here. Everybody has heard about Will. He's the

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behind the scenes doing everything. He edits

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the interviews. He's involved with every aspect

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of this, and we do this together, which is a

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real blessing in our lives, and I appreciate

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it. And you know, if you were a regular guest,

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I'd say, tell us a little bit about you. And

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I want to do that. I want people to get to know

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you. They already know me. Well... I live in

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Utah, so not too far from Eric, my dad. It is

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so fun to be able to do this together and to

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hear all of the stories. It really is truly a

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blessing and so fun. I am married, been married

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for a little over three years. I have a one -year

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-old little baby, and my wife is currently in

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physical therapy school, so I stay home with

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our baby. That's kind of the current life. Love

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everything outdoors, mountain biking, hiking,

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skiing. Fly fishing? Yeah, fly fishing as well.

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Everything. I have to interject a couple of things

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because Will is being modest. His baby is the

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cutest 14 month old in the entire world. I've

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checked, she wins. She's pretty cute. She's got

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a head full of curly hair and I don't know where

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it came from, but I love it. She's so fun. A

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lot of energy though. She's a little rambunctious

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child. She has a lot of energy. She's trying

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to take a nap right now. We can't hear her in

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the background. And just something I don't know

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if I've ever told you, Will, but Will is the

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best stay at home dad ever. I don't know how

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he does it. I don't know where he learned it,

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but he's amazing at it. So why are we doing this

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today? Well, we just had our 250th episode. Did

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we ever think it would come this far? Not when

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we were sitting on the couch talking about starting

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a podcast. No. But that's why we're here. We're

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here to just go over this milestone and talk

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about things that we've learned and things that

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we have enjoyed and over 250 plus interviews.

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There's been a few that have either been lost

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to technical difficulties or other things. It's

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been a journey. It's been fun. Or just people

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we don't like and we end up in the can. No, that

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sounds terribly rude. Those people actually never

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get recorded in the first place. A few things,

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because I have a whole bunch of notes here of

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things that we can talk about. We're not going

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to take all day, but I want to do a little bit

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of housekeeping here for things that come up

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from time to time. Right now in as far as near

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-death experiences, especially on social media

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and YouTube There is a ton of AI content that

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is not us Every single show is different. Every

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guest is real everything about what we do is

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real from us that I mean even our backgrounds

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are real this is You know this isn't one of those

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fake backgrounds or anything and I've only mentioned

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this once before and got a lot of positive feedback

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and so I just want to make sure everybody knows

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that and that we just have so much love and respect

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for the guests that come on the show. One of

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the things that I get asked a lot so I'm going

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to ask Will this time is how do you know of all

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these stories that you hear how do you know which

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ones to believe or maybe which ones not to believe?

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It's a good question and I think part of it comes

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in listening and watching. That's why I like

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that we do video now because you can actually

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watch the person's face as they tell the experience

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and you can see the emotion and then reliving

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that experience often times. And I think obviously

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we can't, you can't know for a hundred percent

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positive. Whether someone's telling the truth

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or not. We don't know what exactly happens after

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this life But I think you can tell someone's

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sincerity and when they when they truly have

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experienced something I think you can tell by

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their face and by by how they speak Even if there's

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a couple of little incongruities and things that

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they say that doesn't mean you throw the whole

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baby out with the bathwater Yeah, exactly and

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and we all believe different things Something

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that I've been thinking about this week as we've

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been discussing having this episode is just how

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people only get a small glimpse. They're getting

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a small look through the window of the afterlife,

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trying to puzzle piece all of those together.

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It looks blurry, but I think the biggest things

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that we'll get into later are what matter most.

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And those are the commonalities that come back

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from everyone. Okay, why don't we do this? Why

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don't we take turns asking questions of each

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other? I just asked you one now you get to ask

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me one I want to know for starters What what's

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the number one commonality that you find in interviews?

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You've interviewed so many people. What do you

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feel like is the number one commonality? The

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one that I think is number one and maybe just

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because it stands out in my brain the most because

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I love it the most is people talking about the

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love they feel. It's not near as important what

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they see, whether they see grass or sunsets or

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God or orbs or whatever the heck they see, but

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that feeling of this overwhelming love that we

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can't even, we think we have felt it in this

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life. There's a few times when it's overwhelming.

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Brand new baby. Marriage some of those kinds

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of things, but what they're telling me is it's

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a thousand or a million times that it's completely

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Unconditional it comes with no judgment. It's

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such an overwhelming feeling that even though

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Many people have left loved ones behind in this

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life Many of them want to stay and that doesn't

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mean they love one thing more than another But

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that feeling is just something we all have to

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look forward to. It's going to be amazing. With

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that, something that I find interesting is, like

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you mentioned, we can get a glimpse of that feeling

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here sometimes. But it's for a moment or a couple

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moments. And it seems like in these experiences,

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how people describe it, it's just there. It's

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there the whole time. I think people are very

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brave. the ones that have a choice deciding to

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come back to this earth and leave that feeling.

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It's very brave. And most do have a choice. Some

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at first choose, no, I'm staying. And then they're

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sort of talked into it. And I think that's hilarious

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because obviously the right thing for them to

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do is to come back. And, you know, we're all

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kind of children in a way and need to be talked

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into doing what's best for us. And sometimes

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that's the case. It's interesting that you bring

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that up as far as commonalities because and I

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don't think I've told you this yet well a couple

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of weeks ago somebody reached out to me and Said

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hey, I've got some time on my hands Do you mind

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if I take all of the transcripts from every single

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one of your episodes? Run them through some AI

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We're not putting AI on the show But he wants

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to use it to come up with some analytics on NDEs,

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some commonalities, some things that are different.

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I don't even know all the things he's going to

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come up with. And I said, sure. And he's going

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to spend some time and then we'll talk about

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that on the show and have a lot more information

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on that particular question. I want to ask you

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something. Now, I feel like I really get to know

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our guests. I feel like by the time we've done

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a pre -interview and then the full interview

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and usually after the microphone is off on our

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full interviews we sit and chat for a while and

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so these people are my friends and I feel like

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we have a relationship but you miss quite a bit

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of that you just get the interviews who are some

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of your favorite guests and there's so many it's

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okay if you can't remember their names but maybe

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talk about some of their stories Oh, what a question.

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There are a few that stick out still in my mind,

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and I am so bad with names, but a few stories

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particularly. One being, and you'll have to help

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me remember his name because I'd love to include

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it and maybe reference the episode. If not, we'll

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put it in the show notes. But it was a father

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who was in the hospital in a coma for I think

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a few weeks. And it was actually his wife that

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came on the show and retold some of his memories.

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So he was in a coma, came back, and then a few

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months or years later did pass on. But the things

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that have really stood out to me from his experience,

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especially since I've become a father, is he

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was able to visit each of his children while

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he was in this coma, while they were at school

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or at a wrestling match. And then when he came

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Came back and and came out of the coma. He was

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able to go to his children and say hey Do you

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remember this day in school when you answered

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this question you raised your hand and answered

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this question or at this wrestling match I was

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there. I watched you you did this move at this

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time and what a cool thing to be able to pass

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on to your children and Show them that you are

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still there. You still love them. You're still

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watching over them and hopefully that helped

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them to connect better after he did pass on when

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their dad is around. So that's one off the top

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of my mind that I often look back to now, especially

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that I'm a father. That's cool. A few that stick

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out to me, and I hadn't thought about this ahead

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of time, sometimes it's just the super interesting

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way that somebody dies. Like do you remember

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Greg in Australia who was in the Navy and literally

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got run over by the Navy ship? Not just once,

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multiple times. Yes. Came back, had this experience,

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and then felt okay a few hours later, and he's

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back on duty again as if nothing had happened.

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I'm like, those are some tough dudes down there.

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And then there are others like Vinnie Tolman

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that we just had on again last week because his

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story is so amazing. And others that I just kind

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of fall in love with, like Riley. who was on

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earlier this year and had an amazing experience.

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And I've told Will and our other kids, I'm adopting

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her. She's so awesome. And a lot of people have

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requested having her back on the show. So we'll

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get her back on sometime soon. And the people

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that I really learned something from, learning

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about heaven and hell, and everybody that tells

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me that they have zero fear of death after their

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experience. That should teach us all something.

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Is that not everybody? I mean that is that is

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probably our highest statistic is almost every

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single person has zero fear of death. Yeah back

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to your other question that one would beat it

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as far as a commonality zero fear of death. That's

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true. Okay your turn. Well I just want to throw

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out one more story here. One other one that I

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was thinking about this week is just pondering

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back on episodes is I love all of the the children

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experiences and I think sometimes for people

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that it's hard to believe and understand if people's

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experiences are real or not I think there's no

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truer truth than a child's experience to me at

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least especially when uh there was one if I can

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remember her name I think it was Christy Christy

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or Crystal Crystal murzlock Yes, crystal crystal

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murzlock that drown she drown as a child and

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actually sat on Jesus lap and Sat with him and

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he tended to her while she had this experience

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It's things like that where I just have no no

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doubt in my mind that that actually happened

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let me just finish off that story because It

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was so cool to also have her doctor on the show,

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Dr. Melvin Morse, who was the one that took care

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of her in the ER. Oh, you've just got to go hear

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those two episodes, Crystal and Dr. Morse, to

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hear it from both sides of the table. When she

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was better and she met him in person for the

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first time, she was like... You're that doctor

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that was mean to me. I saw you sticking these

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big needles in me And he's like there's no way

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you know that you were dead you were flatlined

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your eyes were closed and Now she's telling him

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things that he did to her body during that time

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Yeah, it kind of blew me away. Yeah, that is

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a crazy experience a question for you with all

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these experiences And they often talk about how

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beautiful things are, how beautiful heaven is.

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And it's hard to explain because the colors are

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so different and there's more colors and there's

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music that is more beautiful than any other music.

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So what are you most looking forward to with

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all of these beautiful things that you've been

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told about to experience for yourself? Well,

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those are all awesome. And feeling God's love,

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that's awesome too. But one of the things I really

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look forward to is meeting a whole bunch of my

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ancestors. I can't wait. And meeting a couple

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of best friends of mine that have passed on,

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being able to see them again. Sorry, I lost my

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train of thought there as I was thinking about

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a couple of people that I really am excited to

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meet. Oh, yes. The other thing is I really believe

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that we have angels around us helping us in this

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life and I don't know who they are and I want

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to say thank you to them. I want to meet them

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and Say thanks. Yeah, absolutely Speaking of

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angels the back to that first story that I mentioned

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when he was in the coma and out of his body he

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was going around with his guide who I believe

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was his uncle and He saw his uncle go into a

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meeting that his father was in, whisper in his

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father's ear in this meeting that he needed to

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get up and go to the hospital. I think he had

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to even take a flight, a plane to catch to a

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different city to go to the hospital and be with

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his son and go pray for him and bless him. And

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I think it was that that I ended up. Being the

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turning point of bringing him out of the coma

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was that that special prayer and blessing that

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that his father Ended up giving him. But yes,

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there are absolutely Angels all around us. I

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think that's another huge commonality that we

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see Yeah How have NDE's Increased or decreased

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your faith? Good question. I don't think that

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they have decreased my faith I think that there

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are lots of NDE's that just are interesting and

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wonderful stories to hear. I think there are

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lots that are faith promoting for me specifically

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in what I do believe. I love hearing stories

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of Jesus and people meeting him and feeling his

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love and there being no guilt in those interactions

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and them describing his eyes. and not just the

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color, but the love and sincerity and depth in

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just his eyes. I think as far as a faith standpoint,

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there's nothing that means more to me than being

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able to spend time after this life with those

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that I love. Just knowing that there is something

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after this life is all that I need from a faith

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perspective, and all of these stories support

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that, that there is something after this life.

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I don't know if that fully answers your question.

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That's a tough one to describe for me. It is.

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And we see some people that because of their

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NDEs have actually left their religion. We also

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see some people who were atheists that now believe

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in God. I have something that I am curious your

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thoughts on. Some of the things that you've learned

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specifically about the hell experiences actually

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what have you learned about there haven't been

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a ton that we've gone through but what have you

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learned about those hellish type experiences

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so according to ions the analytics show that

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roughly oh shoot i forget the most recent numbers

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i'm i'm going to generalize roughly 10 percent

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of ndes have some kind of a hellish experience

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in them i think it's between seven and ten percent

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You've probably heard even less than that on

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our show, but there have been quite a few and

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I'm always surprised when I hear them especially

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when Someone who you would call a really good

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person You know goes to church on Sunday is Honest

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has a good family is trying to live right a couple

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of those people that we know have had hellish

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experiences Some that weren't living a good life

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had hellish experiences. I don't know the reasons

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why some people do and some don't. But here's

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one thing that I have learned. And again, I'm

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not trying to preach any particular religion.

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This is just a fact of what I have heard. When

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someone is in an experience where it's hell,

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and usually these hellish experiences come as

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a series shorter experiences that can be absolutely

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horrible and I won't get into details but people

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know we're in hell they get at some point desperate

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enough that they either call out to Jesus they

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say his name one woman I remember specifically

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she remembered in her hellish experience that

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it was Christmas Eve and she started singing

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what was what song was it a little town of Bethlehem

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something like that the little babe Jesus is

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one of the lines oh shoot I should really study

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my songs before I talk about it but but the word

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Jesus came up and she was immediately taken out

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of that hellish experience and into a good one

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into a heavenly type experience so If you're

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someone who is Christian and believes in Jesus,

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I think that applies not only in NDEs but to

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really anything in our life. If there's a time

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and you don't have to wait till you're desperate

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when you feel like you need help, it's a good

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reminder. Pray. I believe in prayer. And I don't

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care how you pray. There's strength in prayer

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and there's power in prayer. So that's one of

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the things that I've learned from those hellish

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experiences to me I don't remember the negative

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as much as the positive that comes from them

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some people come to me will and They say oh,

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you're so lucky to have your son doing all this

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editing and stuff for you and What they leave

00:21:54.029 --> 00:21:56.650
off is because you're so freaking old that you

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could never figure out how to do this stuff so

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I don't want to dig into the technical side,

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but tell us what you've learned about podcasts

00:22:04.819 --> 00:22:10.460
and podcasting. You can go forever into the podcasting

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realm, especially nowadays with how many podcasts

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there are. What have we learned about podcasting?

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It is very up and down. Listenership is very

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up and down, especially on YouTube. YouTube decides

00:22:22.930 --> 00:22:27.069
to promote your content or not. And even if you

00:22:27.069 --> 00:22:29.920
are a subscriber, you may not see our new our

00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:34.119
new episodes, and that is just a fact of YouTube.

00:22:35.140 --> 00:22:37.720
Ultimately, I think the biggest thing with podcasting

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is that it will build a community. If you stick

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to it, it will build a community, especially

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in our case where we're promoting peace and hope.

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Like you said earlier, it has given you so many

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friends, so many friends that you've been able

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to conversate with. And I hope for anyone listening,

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INS is a great organization. There are others.

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Just talk with those around you. Build a bigger

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community. I think that's what podcasts to me

00:23:09.789 --> 00:23:11.950
nowadays are kind of all about. It's just something

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interesting to tell my friends. And the technical

00:23:15.859 --> 00:23:18.420
side really doesn't matter. You can figure out

00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:21.460
how to do it. No, the technical side doesn't

00:23:21.460 --> 00:23:24.619
matter. One of the things that first got me interested,

00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:28.970
frankly, in doing a podcast And I knew the direction

00:23:28.970 --> 00:23:30.609
we'd want to go because I've been interested

00:23:30.609 --> 00:23:32.890
in near -death experiences forever. I've read

00:23:32.890 --> 00:23:36.130
all kinds of books on it. But one of the things

00:23:36.130 --> 00:23:38.990
is in my career, which has been in advertising

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and working with mass media, I was interested

00:23:42.109 --> 00:23:46.910
in podcasting because it is a huge, huge medium

00:23:46.910 --> 00:23:51.410
now. And it's a person -driven medium, not a

00:23:51.410 --> 00:23:55.380
giant corporation -driven medium. Although they're

00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:59.039
trying to take over but it's really cool to see

00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:02.960
how anybody can do this anybody can get out there

00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.500
and Talk to their friends about a subject and

00:24:06.500 --> 00:24:10.799
I consider our listeners our friends In fact

00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:14.279
will has another podcast which is on hold right

00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:20.519
now Thanks to baby It's about doing real estate

00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.980
in Utah, it's called the dirt on real estate

00:24:23.390 --> 00:24:26.190
I have another podcast. I have a hobby which

00:24:26.190 --> 00:24:30.970
is beekeeping and we've had a podcast going for

00:24:30.970 --> 00:24:34.029
two years now called Bee Love Beekeeping and

00:24:34.029 --> 00:24:37.509
it's the number one beekeeping podcast and that's

00:24:37.509 --> 00:24:41.289
been a whole lot of fun too. So it's a cool medium

00:24:41.289 --> 00:24:45.250
and I'm grateful for people that listen and to

00:24:45.250 --> 00:24:48.230
me the audio podcast which is where it started

00:24:48.230 --> 00:24:52.769
with no video whatsoever is what podcasting is

00:24:52.769 --> 00:24:56.950
and always will be but video has come along and

00:24:56.950 --> 00:25:00.009
we've stepped up and if for some reason you want

00:25:00.009 --> 00:25:03.109
to see the video of these conversations we have

00:25:03.109 --> 00:25:05.430
now provided it for you and not just youtube

00:25:05.430 --> 00:25:09.089
on apple podcasts right on your phone click on

00:25:09.089 --> 00:25:12.910
that little teeny camera looking button and you've

00:25:12.910 --> 00:25:15.630
got video of all of our new podcasts too and

00:25:15.630 --> 00:25:18.109
it's cool that the technology is there for you

00:25:18.109 --> 00:25:21.519
to experience any way that you want to. If you

00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:27.039
are at home watching a podcast on YouTube or

00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.240
on your phone and then you want to go jump in

00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:31.720
your car, you've got that YouTube app on your

00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:33.680
phone, you can keep it going while you're driving

00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.160
or riding your bike or going to the gym or whatever

00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:41.259
you're doing. It's made for people and for their

00:25:41.259 --> 00:25:44.220
individual lives and it makes it really convenient

00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:47.200
for you to hear content that you like. Something

00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.799
you haven't asked about yet, but I was hoping

00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.160
we could touch on today. is the fact that we

00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.140
try to keep this completely non -denominational

00:25:55.140 --> 00:25:59.220
and I want people to come on the show and tell

00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:03.640
us their experience in all their honesty and

00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.980
I want to have respect for it and not try to

00:26:06.980 --> 00:26:10.500
put a spin on it and try to say oh because of

00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:13.759
that believe this religious tenant or that religious

00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:19.190
tenant. You and I both are believers and we Believe

00:26:19.190 --> 00:26:22.809
in and belong to a religious faith that goes

00:26:22.809 --> 00:26:26.109
along with what we believe but we have a lot

00:26:26.109 --> 00:26:29.430
of respect for everybody and everybody's beliefs

00:26:29.430 --> 00:26:33.009
and I wanted to carry it through on this podcast

00:26:33.009 --> 00:26:36.430
and I try to be so very careful and sensitive

00:26:36.430 --> 00:26:40.569
to that particular issue I Feel really bad when

00:26:40.569 --> 00:26:44.390
people especially on YouTube. It's a social media

00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:48.269
and people feel like giving their opinion I don't

00:26:48.269 --> 00:26:51.190
mind if people give their opinion about me and

00:26:51.190 --> 00:26:54.049
tell me what a terrible host I am or something

00:26:54.049 --> 00:26:58.049
like that I don't care it washes off of me, but

00:26:58.049 --> 00:27:01.809
it does bother me when people come on and say

00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:06.599
That person is lying or that person made that

00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.319
up Because it doesn't fit what I believe religiously

00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:14.470
or because of some other reason That gets me

00:27:14.470 --> 00:27:16.750
and I hope people will learn to be a little bit

00:27:16.750 --> 00:27:19.670
more sensitive about those kind of things and

00:27:19.670 --> 00:27:23.289
try to follow our example in respecting everybody

00:27:23.289 --> 00:27:27.359
any thoughts No, absolutely like like I mentioned

00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.859
before people are only getting a small glimpse

00:27:29.859 --> 00:27:33.980
into the afterlife and They're getting it in

00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:37.480
a way that they can understand from their current

00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.460
beliefs and experiences on this earth So it's

00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:42.930
not gonna look the same for everyone it's not

00:27:42.930 --> 00:27:47.049
gonna look like one general belief system. It

00:27:47.049 --> 00:27:49.430
doesn't mean it's not real, that doesn't mean

00:27:49.430 --> 00:27:54.230
God isn't real, Jesus Christ isn't real, or any

00:27:54.230 --> 00:27:58.150
of these other prophets or entities or beings

00:27:58.150 --> 00:28:01.509
or angels that these people see. I think in a

00:28:01.509 --> 00:28:04.569
world where there is so much turmoil, why not

00:28:04.569 --> 00:28:07.930
just listen and pull out the pieces that you

00:28:07.930 --> 00:28:11.119
do agree with and just... what am i looking for

00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.079
just be accepting just be accepting there's too

00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.119
much division in this world part of our goal

00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.019
of this podcast it certainly isn't to convert

00:28:22.019 --> 00:28:26.039
anybody to anything but one of the commonalities

00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:31.259
of there is a god and there is an afterlife and

00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:35.059
i want everybody to leave listening to this having

00:28:35.059 --> 00:28:38.099
some hope in that That's what I feel really good

00:28:38.099 --> 00:28:40.319
about. That's what I want to get up and preach.

00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:42.980
And people can believe it in their own different

00:28:42.980 --> 00:28:46.500
ways. But the fact, and I'm calling it a fact,

00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.720
there is a God and there is an afterlife. Now,

00:28:49.779 --> 00:28:53.799
if we took, well, let me back up. I'm going to

00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.640
use an example of a court, an American court

00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:02.150
of law, okay? If somebody was to say, I saw an

00:29:02.150 --> 00:29:06.480
afterlife, therefore there must be one. And I

00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:10.220
have 250 witnesses that are gonna get up on this

00:29:10.220 --> 00:29:13.269
stand and tell you the same thing. That becomes

00:29:13.269 --> 00:29:16.769
a fact in the eyes of the court. That is a true

00:29:16.769 --> 00:29:20.430
statement when we have that many witnesses. Now

00:29:20.430 --> 00:29:22.829
people that don't believe that any of that, they're

00:29:22.829 --> 00:29:25.670
probably not listening to what we have to say

00:29:25.670 --> 00:29:29.900
anyway. I wish they would because I believe it

00:29:29.900 --> 00:29:32.759
can bring you more joy and happiness in your

00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.869
life here. to have a little bit of an understanding

00:29:35.869 --> 00:29:38.890
that something good is coming your way afterwards.

00:29:39.569 --> 00:29:41.990
We've been talking about, you know, some of the

00:29:41.990 --> 00:29:45.509
differences in beliefs and comments on YouTube

00:29:45.509 --> 00:29:48.009
and everything that we get. What are the big

00:29:48.009 --> 00:29:49.950
complaints that people have with the show right

00:29:49.950 --> 00:29:52.490
now that you are getting all the time? I think

00:29:52.490 --> 00:29:55.349
now is a good time to discuss those. And it's

00:29:55.349 --> 00:29:57.849
just us. We can talk about it. And if people

00:29:57.849 --> 00:30:00.670
have thoughts and comments, this is just us.

00:30:00.789 --> 00:30:03.450
Let us know. We want to make this show better.

00:30:03.730 --> 00:30:06.890
and ultimately bring hope to more people. And

00:30:06.890 --> 00:30:09.769
how we can do that is through feedback. Well,

00:30:09.769 --> 00:30:14.190
the ones that come against me are generally stop

00:30:14.190 --> 00:30:16.730
interrupting so much, just shut up and let people

00:30:16.730 --> 00:30:19.309
tell their story. I have beef with that one.

00:30:19.769 --> 00:30:23.009
There are also so many people on this show that

00:30:23.009 --> 00:30:25.009
come on and they're telling their story just

00:30:25.009 --> 00:30:28.170
like they've done in their book or on other shows,

00:30:28.269 --> 00:30:31.190
other podcasts. And then you ask a question and

00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:34.130
they say, huh, I... Never thought about that

00:30:34.130 --> 00:30:36.430
before I've never gotten that question before

00:30:36.430 --> 00:30:40.029
I want to hear those thoughts I want to hear

00:30:40.029 --> 00:30:42.349
those other things that they've never talked

00:30:42.349 --> 00:30:46.200
about before Well, I appreciate that the other

00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:48.519
thing that I wanted to explain on this topic

00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:53.279
is there are plenty of podcasts and YouTube shows

00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.980
out there where they have near -death experiencers

00:30:56.980 --> 00:31:01.720
on and Basically, the format is hey Fred you

00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:05.779
had an NDE Tell us all about it and then the

00:31:05.779 --> 00:31:09.779
host like goes to lunch and comes back 45 minutes

00:31:09.779 --> 00:31:13.980
later and Says oh cool. I had written down some

00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:17.799
questions last week before I had you here Let

00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.259
me ask you a couple of questions. Okay Some people

00:31:21.259 --> 00:31:24.440
love that format. That is not what we're going

00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.720
to do here We want this to be much more of a

00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.440
conversation Not a monologue, but a dialogue

00:31:31.930 --> 00:31:37.089
If you had an NDE and came to my house and we

00:31:37.089 --> 00:31:40.950
sat down in my family room and we each had a

00:31:40.950 --> 00:31:45.730
couple of diet cokes and we just were chatting

00:31:45.730 --> 00:31:49.769
about your NDE and questions that I have, it's

00:31:49.769 --> 00:31:52.369
a conversation. That's what I want this show

00:31:52.369 --> 00:31:55.289
to be. And I'm sorry for those that don't like

00:31:55.289 --> 00:31:58.670
that format. There's a million other places you

00:31:58.670 --> 00:32:01.589
can get that format. We're a little bit different.

00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.740
And that's the way we want to do it. Now I know

00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:07.779
that also could sound a hair rude and condescending,

00:32:07.819 --> 00:32:11.279
and I'm very sorry if it sounded that way. But

00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:15.099
I love our guests and I really just want to have

00:32:15.099 --> 00:32:18.740
a conversation. And so the fact that I'm going

00:32:18.740 --> 00:32:21.140
to get in the middle of that from time to time,

00:32:21.700 --> 00:32:25.099
we don't plan on changing that. That said, I

00:32:25.099 --> 00:32:28.900
do welcome everybody's feedback. because I've

00:32:28.900 --> 00:32:31.640
also gotten feedback. Thank you for stopping

00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:35.299
right there and asking that question. We have

00:32:35.299 --> 00:32:37.839
a ton of that feedback as well. The other one

00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:39.740
that I wanted to mention that's come up a couple

00:32:39.740 --> 00:32:42.140
of times lately, and I feel like I need to apologize

00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:45.000
a little bit for it, is something that has happened

00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:48.160
with some of the advertising. So let me explain

00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.039
the dynamics of a podcast just a little bit.

00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.759
We from time to time have one of our own sponsors

00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.630
on the show. Those are the ads that you hear

00:32:58.630 --> 00:33:03.890
me doing, like One Skin and Birch Mattress and

00:33:03.890 --> 00:33:07.269
people like that from time to time. We are very

00:33:07.269 --> 00:33:10.869
careful. They're what's called a mid -roll. They

00:33:10.869 --> 00:33:13.750
go in the middle of the episode and we're very

00:33:13.750 --> 00:33:16.049
careful not to crank up the volume at all or

00:33:16.049 --> 00:33:19.990
anything like that. Now, that said, YouTube is

00:33:19.990 --> 00:33:23.150
going to drop their own ads in. Sometimes too

00:33:23.150 --> 00:33:26.329
many, I admit, and sometimes they're annoying.

00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:31.200
and sometimes they're loud. Now our RSS provider,

00:33:31.779 --> 00:33:35.700
that's where our audio podcast resides, they

00:33:35.700 --> 00:33:39.099
also have national advertisers that just in general

00:33:39.099 --> 00:33:43.019
jump into their podcasts from time to time. This

00:33:43.019 --> 00:33:46.420
is sort of a fact of life when your podcast becomes

00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:51.200
as large as this has. And I have... complain

00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.980
to our provider. I've listened to listeners recently

00:33:53.980 --> 00:33:57.079
who have said those ads come at a really bad

00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.279
time or they're really loud or they're a casino

00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:03.180
or something like that. I don't like that any

00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:05.839
more than you do and we're doing everything we

00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:10.659
can to fix that. We have put in special instructions

00:34:10.659 --> 00:34:13.960
that things like casinos, gambling, cannabis,

00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:17.239
lotteries, you know, a bunch of other stuff like

00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.260
that is not allowed on the show. So if you ever

00:34:21.260 --> 00:34:24.500
hear one of those, please write down the date

00:34:24.500 --> 00:34:28.099
the time Anything that you can think of where

00:34:28.099 --> 00:34:31.059
you live where you heard it send it to me I can

00:34:31.059 --> 00:34:33.539
get feedback to our provider. Hopefully they

00:34:33.539 --> 00:34:36.900
can do a better job of filtering that stuff out

00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:41.519
Okay, take a breath. I'm gonna take a breath.

00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:44.460
Sorry I I get on a soapbox on that one because

00:34:44.460 --> 00:34:47.760
I just I just hate ruining the experience for

00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.659
listeners when that pops up in the middle and

00:34:50.659 --> 00:34:53.420
I get it and I don't want it to happen anymore

00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:57.309
than you want it to happen. Now, it would be

00:34:57.309 --> 00:35:01.070
awesome if we had a benefactor come to Will and

00:35:01.070 --> 00:35:05.050
I and say, hey, if you'll get rid of every ad

00:35:05.050 --> 00:35:08.610
ever on your show, we will help support your

00:35:08.610 --> 00:35:11.269
show financially, because it does take some money

00:35:11.269 --> 00:35:14.409
and it takes a ton of our time. If that were

00:35:14.409 --> 00:35:16.389
to happen, we would have the luxury of being

00:35:16.389 --> 00:35:19.929
able to do that. Until that happens, we don't.

00:35:20.130 --> 00:35:22.130
Now looking to the future, why don't we talk

00:35:22.130 --> 00:35:24.710
about that as long as we're on the topic. You

00:35:24.710 --> 00:35:26.789
and I have talked about the future of the podcast.

00:35:27.510 --> 00:35:29.130
Why don't you give us some thoughts on that?

00:35:29.670 --> 00:35:33.869
So many options, so many ideas. One idea that

00:35:33.869 --> 00:35:38.309
we have is because this is so much time, throwing

00:35:38.309 --> 00:35:40.210
it out there, I would love to do an interview

00:35:40.210 --> 00:35:43.849
every once in a while. Now I'm not as well spoken

00:35:43.849 --> 00:35:46.989
as you are, but that's okay. Hopefully people

00:35:46.989 --> 00:35:50.610
can get through it. Give me some grace like they

00:35:50.610 --> 00:35:53.489
do with everyone else. So that being said, I

00:35:53.489 --> 00:35:55.829
think that's one thing that I think we will start

00:35:55.829 --> 00:35:58.570
doing is I will be doing an interview from time

00:35:58.570 --> 00:36:02.190
to time. I know you will miss Eric. I will too,

00:36:02.650 --> 00:36:06.250
but that's okay. It will be a wonderful change

00:36:06.250 --> 00:36:08.969
of pace. I think people are gonna love that.

00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:11.300
We've talked about that for a while. I'm excited

00:36:11.300 --> 00:36:13.579
about that. So I think that's one thing that

00:36:13.579 --> 00:36:16.639
we will start doing going forward is I will be

00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:18.679
interviewing a guest and that'll be fun. A fun

00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:22.380
new experience. Another thing that we talk about

00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:24.239
this all the time. We talk about options all

00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.070
the time. One thing that we have considered for

00:36:27.070 --> 00:36:30.909
a long time is doing a subscription platform

00:36:30.909 --> 00:36:33.550
and what that would look like. And there are

00:36:33.550 --> 00:36:35.849
a lot of different options with that. Maybe you

00:36:35.849 --> 00:36:37.789
can go into some of the options that we've been

00:36:37.789 --> 00:36:40.079
considering. Well, there's a lot of platforms

00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.300
out there. We're looking at all of them. Everybody's

00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.579
heard of Patreon and Apple subscriptions and

00:36:45.579 --> 00:36:48.980
YouTube has subscriptions and all of those. And

00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.320
we don't want to make this content harder for

00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.139
people to find and to get. I know everybody's

00:36:57.139 --> 00:36:59.519
paying for all kinds of subscriptions out there

00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:03.539
already. So if we go to that kind of a model,

00:37:03.739 --> 00:37:08.360
we will still have tons and tons of free content

00:37:08.739 --> 00:37:12.820
We will just provide added value for people that

00:37:12.820 --> 00:37:16.300
do want to support us with subscriptions We're

00:37:16.300 --> 00:37:19.159
not sure what all those will be they will be

00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.880
things like having no ads Getting our episodes

00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.300
earlier, you know, maybe a month or two or who

00:37:26.300 --> 00:37:28.539
knows how much earlier There'll probably be some

00:37:28.539 --> 00:37:31.440
content that isn't available for free But but

00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.199
we don't want to we don't want to limit it. We

00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:35.219
feel like the message is too important to get

00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:38.639
out there to just put a big wall around it and

00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.099
cut out people that can't afford to pay for it.

00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.139
So we're being so sensitive to all that, which

00:37:44.139 --> 00:37:45.920
is why we haven't pulled the trigger on this

00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.380
yet. Frankly, we've been talking about this for

00:37:48.380 --> 00:37:52.199
months. But I think coming up in 2027, that's

00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.119
something we're going to need to do just so we

00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.940
can keep the show going because you have people

00:37:56.940 --> 00:38:01.280
do not realize how much time this takes. And

00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.500
if I wasn't careful, it would turn into my full

00:38:03.500 --> 00:38:07.300
time job. but it's certainly not a full -time

00:38:07.300 --> 00:38:13.159
income. Will is busy raising an awesome daughter

00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.420
and trying to support his family. I think you

00:38:16.420 --> 00:38:19.659
forgot to mention you also do real estate. That

00:38:19.659 --> 00:38:23.219
is true. Will is way too modest to mention this,

00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.840
but he's very good at it. If any of you from

00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:31.219
around the world are thinking of moving to Utah,

00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:36.380
or buying a vacation home here reach out to will

00:38:36.380 --> 00:38:39.480
and you can do that through our website or you

00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.460
can always email me eric at roundtripdeath .com

00:38:43.460 --> 00:38:47.139
speaking of that guest ideas comments on all

00:38:47.139 --> 00:38:50.460
of these topics we want to hear from you eric

00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:53.840
at roundtripdeath .com i see every single email

00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:57.519
that comes in i promise no it's true it is it

00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.039
is a lot everyone has a lot going on in life

00:39:00.269 --> 00:39:02.809
This would definitely be categorized as a hobby

00:39:02.809 --> 00:39:08.170
for us, but it's not taking up hobby time anymore,

00:39:08.329 --> 00:39:12.329
if that makes sense. So we're just trying to

00:39:12.329 --> 00:39:16.210
figure out how we can make this show go forward

00:39:16.210 --> 00:39:19.949
and still be a platform that spreads peace and

00:39:19.949 --> 00:39:23.750
hope in such a turmoil -filled world. We all

00:39:23.750 --> 00:39:26.280
need more peace and hope. And that's really what

00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.539
this podcast is about. It's why we've done it

00:39:29.539 --> 00:39:32.940
for so long. It's why we started it in the first

00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:36.659
place, is to share a little bit of that hope

00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:40.920
in an afterlife and hoping something better than

00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.440
this life. And you thought you weren't as well

00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.179
said. That was so well said. I think we're going

00:39:46.179 --> 00:39:49.280
to end the episode right there. Will, you've

00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:53.440
been awesome. And thank you for doing this with

00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.829
me. One of the blessings is, it kind of gives

00:39:56.829 --> 00:39:59.409
us an excuse to talk to each other nearly every

00:39:59.409 --> 00:40:02.929
day. When in our busy lives, we probably wouldn't,

00:40:03.210 --> 00:40:07.909
but love you bud. Love you too. And just for

00:40:07.909 --> 00:40:10.130
everyone listening, reach out to those around

00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:12.670
you. Reach out to your loved ones, maybe people

00:40:12.670 --> 00:40:14.349
of your past that you haven't connected with

00:40:14.349 --> 00:40:18.690
in a long time. And you spread that message of

00:40:18.690 --> 00:40:21.590
hope and peace this week, just through connection.

00:40:23.010 --> 00:40:25.750
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.

00:40:26.090 --> 00:40:28.449
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00:40:34.369 --> 00:40:36.650
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00:40:36.650 --> 00:40:39.550
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00:40:39.550 --> 00:40:42.710
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00:40:42.710 --> 00:40:45.030
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00:40:45.030 --> 00:40:45.409
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