250th Episode! Vinney Tolman's NDE While Dead for 1.5 Hours

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From the time that they pronounced me dead was

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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart. My heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying, but I

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didn't realize that was actually my physical

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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing

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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute

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love and peace, there wasn't anything else to

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be felt. I was greeted by people I had known

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in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly

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safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round

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Trip Death everybody. I am so excited to have

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Vinnie Tolman back on the show. Say hi to everybody

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Vinnie. Hey everybody. Before we jump into Vinnie's

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story, I just wanted to say this is our 250th

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episode and All I can do is say thank you, thank

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you, thank you, thank you to all of our guests,

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thank you to our audience, thank you to the sponsors

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that pop on now and then and to Will who does

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all the editing and everything. It has just been

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an incredible ride that we never expected to

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go this far and it's really been a lot of fun

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and I know I've learned a lot. I hope our audience

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has too. What we're going to do for the next

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few weeks. We're going to be kind of celebrating

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this whole 250th thing. Vinny is one of my favorite

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guests that I've ever had on the show. So I brought

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him back to tell his story. I'm sure it'll be

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a little bit different. If you're a member of

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Ions, you've probably heard his story. Vinny

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is out there, but we're going to have a discussion

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about what happened to him. It's one of the most

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amazing NDE's I've ever heard. Also, over the

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next couple of weeks, we're gonna do some other

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things. We'll do this with a couple of other

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guests, bring a couple of our favorites back.

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And probably next week, Will and I, it's just

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gonna be us. And we're just gonna chat about

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everything behind the scenes and what we've learned

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and what we love about doing this. So, there

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you go. That is what's coming up. Happy 250th,

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everybody. Well, we're kind of following along

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with our country with that whole theme, aren't

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we Vinnie? Yep. 250 years, 250 episodes. And

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you were, you were one of my OG episodes too.

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You were one of my first interviews I did after

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I published the book. So it's kind of a cool

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synchronicity. Yeah. It is. I remember, I remember

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you were quite nervous. You were living on the

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other side of the country back then. But I know

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people fell in love with you and they're going

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to love hearing your story. I think we ought

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to jump right into it. We're going to go back.

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How many years here? 20, about 20 years ago,

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23 years, 23 years. Yeah. 24 years in January.

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And one of the reasons I can relate to this is

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because it happened not far at all from where

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I used to live in this area of Utah. And there

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was a little restaurant. Tell us what was going

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on. Well, there was a dairy queen in front of

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a Harman's on 800 North and State Street in Orem.

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And that just so happened to be the closest food

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establishment to my buddy's place when he and

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I had both taken an overdose of a supplement

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without knowing that we had taken it. And we

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went down to that dairy queen to get something

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to eat, hopefully to feel better. only to find

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that we were both starting to pass out by the

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time we got there. I went in the bathroom and

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ended up passing out behind a locked door. And

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he went into the dining area and passed out and

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was found right away. He was taken to Timpanogos

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Hospital and he ended up being just fine. They

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were able to pump his stomach. But with me, meanwhile,

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I was in that bathroom. I fell on my back and

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began to aspirate. So I ended up passing away.

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My body died right there on the floor. And that's

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kind of where my story begins, is with all of

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this. It's a crazy thing to say that you saw

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your body die, but I did. I watched right after

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the body had died. I was looking down at it.

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I didn't think it was mine, but I was looking

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at it. And I watched as a second ambulatory company

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came to... respond to the Dairy Queen management.

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They had called 911 a second time that day and

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the second time was about an hour after the first

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time. So by the time they found the body, it

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was cold to the touch. The medics also attempted

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resuscitation but declared the body dead. They

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put the body into a bag and put it in the back

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of the ambulance and told a rookie medic to babysit

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the body while they got witness statements. And

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that's when I started to see some very metaphysical

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things. I started to see light forming around

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the rookie. And I watched as God gave him an

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intuitive message that this one wasn't all the

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way dead. And as they pulled away from the scene

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to go turn the body into the Utah County Medical

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Examiner, as they left the scene, the rookie

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broke protocol. He opened the body bag. He hooked

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up defib and forced oxygen into the lungs. And

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on the third round of defib or shock, he was

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able to get the heart to start. All of that happened

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about 100 or 200 feet in front of Timpanogos

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Hospital. So they were able to pull directly

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into that hospital and begin the life -saving

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treatment or triage that they do for a body in

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that condition. And I'm watching all of it. I

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had no idea it was me still. I watched as they

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transferred the body from the medical gurney

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into the hospital gurney. And as they did, the

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body went into a full seizure. As that seizure

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was happening, they had to restrain the body

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to work on it. And I felt someone restrain me

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where I was watching everything. And so I looked

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down to my left arm where I could feel someone

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restraining me. And I was looking down at the

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left arm of the body. And it was a very surreal

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moment where I had to realize that somehow all

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of this that I'd been watching was me. And it

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was interactive with me. And somehow that was

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my body. And it was such an eerie feeling. It

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sent me into a whirlwind of negative energy.

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And the next thing I know, I'm seeing every bad

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thing that I ever did in my life. And then I'm

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seeing every good thing that I ever did in my

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life. And I'm seeing it from not just my eyes,

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but the eyes of those who were around me. And

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then I feel this tremendous love pouring over

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me. And I turned around to see what I thought

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was God. And I literally had the thought, this

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must be God. And this man, who was all dressed

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in white, he responded using just his thoughts.

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He said, No, son, I'm not God. And my follow

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-up thought was, are you Jesus? And he said,

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no, son, I'm not Jesus. I was like, well, who

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are you? And he said, I'm your guide. I'm here

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to help you go wherever you want to go. I can

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help you go back to your body, or I can help

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you go anywhere in the universe. And I looked

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back at the body. It looked terrible. It didn't

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look fun at all. I did not want that. It looked

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like a painful turmoil. And so I knew I didn't

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want that. So I said, you know, this love that

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I can feel pouring off of you, can I go towards

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that? Can I go to wherever that comes from? And

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he got very excited. He said, well, that's my

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home. That's your home. We can go home. And so

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I was like, let's do it. Let's go home. And that's

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where my journey began was right there. He said

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he was going to take me home. That is so cool.

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By the way, this hospital is, what, like a mile

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from that restaurant? It is not far at all. Yeah,

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it's really close, yep. And if anybody goes to

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see that Dairy Queen and sees that it's not there

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anymore, Vinnie's not making this up. It used

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to be there, it's just a Starbucks now. So it's

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had a bit of a facelift. It's funny too, where

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it was. It's next to where the Starbucks is,

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and it's almost like they have this fenced little

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area with some equipment inside of it. But where

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that fence is, is exactly where that Dairy Queen

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was. Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like a monument

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to it. How long would you say that you were not

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alive? That your heart was not beating? And I

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know we don't know at exact time, but you were

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in the bathroom. Probably dead for quite a while

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before the paramedics found you because your

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body was cold Yeah, well the 911 calls were made

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about 50 minutes apart So my buddy's 911 call

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was made and then the one for me was made 50

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minutes apart So there's there's that timeline

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and then when the medics got there a few minutes

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after that They did declare death And from the

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time they declared death until my heart started,

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it was 47 minutes. So it was well over an hour

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for sure, if not close to two hours. Yeah. It's

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unbelievable. I think I called you body bag man

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last time. I hope that wasn't too offensive.

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But it was, it's just so incredible that somebody's

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actually in a body bag on the way to the morgue.

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What do you remember about I think you referred

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to it just now as something spiritual happened

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in the ambulance. What do you remember about

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the light or what you saw, felt, what was going

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on? Well, I was watching the rookie. He was sitting

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in the back of the ambulance. He was like the

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third man on this medical team. And he was just

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babysitting the body. He was like staring at

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it. I have a strong feeling he was Christian.

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And he was like saying little prayers. He was

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just kind of going into a deep contemplative

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thought about what could I do to help this guy?

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You know, he's brand new. He didn't want to give

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up so easy. He wanted to keep fighting for whoever

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this was. And those other veteran medics wouldn't

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let him. And not that he pushed them to, but

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while he was in the back and he was doing those...

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those prayers, I saw light form around his heart.

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I actually saw a glow, like a golden glow, form

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from around his heart. And it got brighter the

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further that they went down the street. And from

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my perspective, I actually heard a really loud

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voice say, this one's not dead. And you know,

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months later, I got to sit down with this medic.

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He was getting fired from his job for what he

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did. And I wanted to, you know, say sorry that

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he was getting fired and thank you for saving

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my life and can I help him in any way? Sitting

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down having lunch with him, I asked him if he

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felt like a warm sensation or a burning sensation

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inside of him because I saw light inside of him.

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And he said, pretty much in his own words, he

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was saying something to the effect of... I don't

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know about all of that. I just knew that you

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weren't dead. I just knew it. And that's what

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gave him the okay in his own mind to break the

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protocol, to open the body bag. He had to undo

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straps on the body just to open the body bag

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and get access to it. So he did end up getting

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released from that position, but he got hired

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by Utah County Fire. So he was able to directly

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transition over to the fire department, which

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is awesome. I love that they were excited about

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taking him on as a hero. So I feel it was probably

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God moving him to the right team, I guess. But

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I sure am grateful for him. OK. What happened

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to you in the hospital is really cool. And there

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are parts that are even kind of. funny and spectacular.

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Do you want to talk about those now or after

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the experience of where your guide took you?

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Whichever you're more comfortable with. Well,

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my guide, he took me to a place, a place that's

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a place between places, a time between time,

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a space between spaces. It's like there's this

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in between space that we can all go to. and it's

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essentially our home. It's where we all come

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from. He was able to take me there. He wasn't

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able to just go straight there. He had to hold

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my hand and help me raise my understanding and

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my love vibration. And it's hard for some people

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to understand this part, but all of us in our

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bodies, we exist at a resonant vibration. So

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on a good day, we're high vibrational. On a bad

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day, we're low vibrational. And what he was doing

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was assisting me in raising my vibration of love

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to be very, very high so that I could resonate

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with heaven, which heaven is so very high vibrational,

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full of love. In that process, he had to get

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me through certain gates to get there. And so

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we did finally get there. It felt like it took

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forever. I was brain dead for three days. And

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in that process, we finally got there. And I

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ended up having an experience with grass and

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with flowers and with trees and water. And these

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experiences by themselves standalone were completely

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life -changing. Completely life -changing. How

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it was that heaven allowed me to experience all

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of those, I don't know. There's nothing that

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you could do to be worthy of that. There's nothing.

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But I had the experience. And it was completely

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transformative. Because I felt a love that doesn't

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exist here. You can add all the love that parents

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have for their kids together, on earth, ever.

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All that love combined. is still not as much

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as what's in one blade of grass there. And every

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blade of grass loves us. Every flower loves us.

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Every tree loves us. Every atomic level of water

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loves us. It was insane the amount of love that

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those things were pouring over me as I interacted

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with them. And I'm just so. loving all of it.

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I'm healing. My soul is just healing. I had a

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very traumatic childhood. I was a big fighter,

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and I played rugby in college and in high school.

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And I was always headbutting people in my old

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days. I was always looking for a fight. And,

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you know, while I was there, all those rips and

00:16:24.870 --> 00:16:28.750
tears that were in my soul were stitched up with

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love. And so I got done with that experience

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and I started to see a building. And I got really

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excited about this building. I wanted to go there

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and talk to people. I could see people were there.

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I could see people from our past. I could see

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people from our future all at this building.

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And I was really excited to go there when my

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guide, he kind of stepped in front of me and

00:16:53.769 --> 00:16:56.779
put his arm around me. And he looked me in the

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eyes with these freaking magical eyes, that these

00:17:01.340 --> 00:17:04.460
eyes felt like they could hug you. And while

00:17:04.460 --> 00:17:08.180
his eyes are like hugging me, he says, Vinny,

00:17:08.180 --> 00:17:10.119
this is going to be hard, but it's going to be

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worth it. And as he says this, I hear my brother

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on earth in Tibonogus Hospital. He's giving a

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special blessing over my body. And he's commanding

00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.509
my body to be made whole. He's commanding my

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spirit to return to my body and when he finishes

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that blessing I I felt as if there was a lasso

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wrapped around me and I was yanked back Into

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my body it wasn't instantaneous. I could feel

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it was actually being facilitated by three angels

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So there was one to my back left, one to my back

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right, and one right behind me. Later I learned

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who they were. But I felt the three of them assisting

00:18:03.150 --> 00:18:08.490
me to get back into my time. I actually felt

00:18:08.490 --> 00:18:14.009
them reaching over me and slotting me into my

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time. And this is hard for us to understand from

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our human perspective, from our earthly perspective.

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But over there, there's no such thing as time.

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So it's like they had to reach and find the exact

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spot that I was supposed to return and place

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me into that spot. As they did that, I woke up.

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I woke up at 1 11 in the morning after three

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days of being completely brain dead. My brother

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had given me that blessing or that prayer at

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about 10 p .m. the night before. I had woken

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up at 1 11 in the morning. I woke up and I Didn't

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want anything touching me. I pulled everything

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off of me. I was on full life support I was on

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breathing support. The only thing I was doing

00:19:02.369 --> 00:19:05.230
on my own was my heart So my heart was beating

00:19:05.230 --> 00:19:09.049
on its own, but every other system was on some

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type of assistance I gained everything off of

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me as I did that. I stood there naked in my room

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And I heard all these beeps and alarms going

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off. So I went and unplugged any equipment that

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I could. And some of the equipment actually had

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screws attaching it to the wall. And I broke

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those plugs off. I just I stomped them. I broke

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them off. I didn't want anything plugged in near

00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:41.359
me. I didn't want anything making any noise around

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me. The one there was one alarm I couldn't get

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to turn off. And it was like a slow waning alarm.

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It was probably like an overhead thing. But that

00:19:53.549 --> 00:19:56.410
was the only thing left. Finally, at that point,

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I looked down and realized I was naked. And I

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was like, oh, I should probably put something

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on. I didn't even think to reach down and grab

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the gown that had been on me for three days.

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I went rifling through the cupboards and I found

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a couple of new hospital gowns. and I just kind

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tell them that we sent you. So I walked out of

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my room and somehow I knew right where the elevator

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was. I went straight to the elevator and I was

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hitting the down button. Somehow I knew what

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floor I was on. I knew I was on a higher floor.

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I just started hitting the down button. Then

00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:05.900
I heard a really loud scream like a blood curdling

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scream and it was one of my two nurses So there's

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two nurses on that floor that night pretty much

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running that whole wing that whole wing that

00:22:14.579 --> 00:22:18.019
we were in One had come in my room and saw everything

00:22:18.019 --> 00:22:21.759
unplugged and no no dead. No dead guy there No,

00:22:21.819 --> 00:22:26.240
no comatose patient. So she screamed and Then

00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.599
the other nurse came in to see what was wrong

00:22:29.869 --> 00:22:32.869
And she saw what was going on. They both frantically

00:22:32.869 --> 00:22:35.750
went into the hallway. And then they looked down

00:22:35.750 --> 00:22:38.230
and saw me standing there, hitting the down button

00:22:38.230 --> 00:22:41.950
still. And then they both screamed. And at that

00:22:41.950 --> 00:22:45.210
moment, I knew I'd be in trouble if I ran away,

00:22:45.309 --> 00:22:48.630
and they'd probably apprehend me somehow. And

00:22:48.630 --> 00:22:51.430
so I did. I went back to the room. I just told

00:22:51.430 --> 00:22:54.329
them I wanted to go home. I kept repeating it

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again and again and again. I had to repeat that

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probably 30 or 40 times that morning. It took

00:23:00.140 --> 00:23:04.700
me about six hours of taking every test possible.

00:23:05.539 --> 00:23:07.680
And finally they said that they couldn't hold

00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:10.640
me any longer. I could go home if I really wanted

00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:14.539
to. And I did have to sign like a phone book

00:23:14.539 --> 00:23:18.079
worth of paperwork, releasing all liability on

00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.440
the hospital. They did not want to let me go.

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They wanted to keep me for at least 24 more hours,

00:23:24.339 --> 00:23:27.400
if not 48 more hours. They just wanted to make

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sure I was going to be okay. And I understand.

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I appreciate that they wanted to do that. But

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I felt in my soul of souls that I was fine and

00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:39.579
I wanted to go home. So I ended up going home

00:23:39.579 --> 00:23:43.339
and went jogging that same day. Literally hours

00:23:43.339 --> 00:23:46.099
later I was jogging. And it was because I felt

00:23:46.099 --> 00:23:50.079
like I wanted to run out of my body. I couldn't

00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:53.599
get out of my body. I felt very claustrophobic.

00:23:53.990 --> 00:23:56.789
Right away. I didn't remember the experience

00:23:56.789 --> 00:24:00.150
not until about a day later it all just dumped

00:24:00.150 --> 00:24:03.930
into my consciousness in one movement and From

00:24:03.930 --> 00:24:07.849
that moment forward. I just wanted to go back

00:24:07.849 --> 00:24:11.210
I just wanted to go back home to heaven and it

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wasn't till a few weeks later that I met The

00:24:14.190 --> 00:24:18.029
love of my life. I met Andrea my wife of 23 years

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After I met her she helped me pre pre -prioritize

00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:28.059
my life and get aligned with family. And that's

00:24:28.059 --> 00:24:30.380
what allowed me to find out who my guide was.

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It was because of Andrea. I was at a little high

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school in Wyoming, learning about the history

00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:40.759
of the town where a lot of my cousins live. And

00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:45.220
I saw a picture of my guide. And I came to find

00:24:45.220 --> 00:24:48.500
out that even though his name didn't match to

00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:51.380
what the name he called himself, I went to my

00:24:51.380 --> 00:24:55.819
grandmother and asked her about him. And she

00:24:55.819 --> 00:24:58.799
said that I did have the right name, that Drake

00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:01.619
was his middle name. And even though he went

00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:04.599
by Charles officially on every official document

00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.799
everywhere, I knew him by his nickname or his

00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:12.240
middle name, which is what family knew him as.

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It was a great thing for me. And since that day,

00:25:17.029 --> 00:25:20.299
I still work with my guide. I work with them

00:25:20.299 --> 00:25:23.400
weekly, if not daily. I work with all three of

00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:25.880
those angels that were bringing me back to my

00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:29.539
body and many, many more. I work with a lot of

00:25:29.539 --> 00:25:33.539
unemployed angels that want to be helping us

00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:38.640
in our journey here. And as part of my journey

00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:43.609
is to connect with that other side and help us

00:25:43.609 --> 00:25:47.650
all remember our home. By the way, if anybody

00:25:47.650 --> 00:25:50.250
wants there's a lot more detail I think in the

00:25:50.250 --> 00:25:54.670
earlier episode it's number 301 and 302 We didn't

00:25:54.670 --> 00:25:58.170
use video back in those days It's just audio

00:25:58.170 --> 00:26:01.609
but we probably did an hour and a half on this

00:26:01.609 --> 00:26:05.289
How did you learn the names of the three angels

00:26:05.289 --> 00:26:07.410
that helped you come back and who were they?

00:26:07.950 --> 00:26:12.809
So I I started working with my team my spirit

00:26:12.809 --> 00:26:16.049
team I thought it was only ancestors up until

00:26:16.049 --> 00:26:21.369
about 2007. So this all happened 2003. And up

00:26:21.369 --> 00:26:25.789
until 2007, I was only perceiving ancestors that

00:26:25.789 --> 00:26:28.950
were working with me on specific things. And

00:26:28.950 --> 00:26:33.769
then one day out of the blue, this being just

00:26:33.769 --> 00:26:37.809
huge, larger than life shows up. And I'm working

00:26:37.809 --> 00:26:41.279
with this guy for a while. And I start remembering

00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.779
when I was a little, little child and I was being

00:26:44.779 --> 00:26:49.519
abused really bad. I would leave my body and

00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:53.480
I would hang out with this angel while we would

00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:56.019
watch my body take the abuse it was getting.

00:26:56.859 --> 00:26:59.619
And then when it was done, I would go back into

00:26:59.619 --> 00:27:02.319
my body. He would like help me back into my body.

00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:05.339
And so I thought, well, this is just my childhood

00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:08.920
angel. This is who he is. And so I'm working

00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:14.259
with him for years. And finally, one day, I was

00:27:14.259 --> 00:27:17.680
in a crowd of people and a woman comes up to

00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:20.460
me and she goes, do you know the angel who's

00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:22.720
behind you? And I'm like, yeah, he's my childhood

00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:24.880
angel. I've known him for my whole life, pretty

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.579
much. And she goes, that's Archangel Michael.

00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:30.680
And I'm like, what? I'm like, no, it's not. And

00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.279
then I thought about it. I'm like, no, it is,

00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:36.910
isn't it? And as soon as I... I connected with

00:27:36.910 --> 00:27:41.210
that's who it was. It's just like with my experience,

00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:44.490
a whole bunch of consciousness just like dumped

00:27:44.490 --> 00:27:49.109
into me. And now I knew about the Michael or

00:27:49.109 --> 00:27:52.710
the Michael. I knew about the Michabi or the

00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:56.150
Maccabees, which are the soldiers of God. I knew

00:27:56.150 --> 00:27:59.210
about all of this stuff. And it just all was

00:27:59.210 --> 00:28:02.069
already right there in my mind. And that's when

00:28:02.069 --> 00:28:05.640
I look to Michael and I go, You're Michael, aren't

00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:10.019
you? And I felt like the biggest, warmest hug

00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:16.319
around me. But what was so cool is I felt the

00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:20.180
love of when he was hugging me when I was five

00:28:20.180 --> 00:28:23.670
years old, the first time he had to come and

00:28:23.670 --> 00:28:27.740
intervene. And I felt so much presence behind

00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:33.140
this amazing being and that people have a hard

00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:37.769
time understanding angels. But God literally

00:28:37.769 --> 00:28:41.490
created them for us. They're here as messengers

00:28:41.490 --> 00:28:45.250
for us, as workers for us, the same as our ancestors.

00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:49.319
We can receive them in good ways, or we could

00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.880
try to worship them. They don't want to be worshiped.

00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.799
They want to be worked with. I've been working

00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.180
with Michael since, and he was the angel that

00:28:58.180 --> 00:29:02.240
was behind me that helped me get back into my

00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:07.680
time. And then it was Metatron who was on my

00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.299
right, and Metatron was the one reaching and

00:29:11.299 --> 00:29:14.920
finding my exact time and putting me in that

00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.920
time. And then on this side, it was actually

00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.599
Archangel Raphael. Yeah, and Raphael is the healing

00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.170
angel, the angel who, you know, when we pray

00:29:25.170 --> 00:29:29.059
to God for healing, many times it's either an

00:29:29.059 --> 00:29:33.299
ancestor or Raphael who's coming in the calling

00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:36.359
of God to heal us or to bring healing for us

00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:40.420
or to help us endure the journey and learn what

00:29:40.420 --> 00:29:43.500
we're supposed to learn from what's going on.

00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:46.579
Yeah. Couple of things that I remember from the

00:29:46.579 --> 00:29:49.599
first time we spoke that were some of these things

00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.259
were a little bit new to me. So let's go back

00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:55.440
to your heavenly experience with your guide.

00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:58.619
What can you tell us about what we call the pearly

00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:03.210
gates? Yeah, you know, growing up in in Christianity,

00:30:03.210 --> 00:30:06.029
in the church, I thought for sure there would

00:30:06.029 --> 00:30:10.009
be some type of, like, fence. It's always joked

00:30:10.009 --> 00:30:13.670
that St. Peter is out there holding the gates

00:30:13.670 --> 00:30:16.670
open or closed depending on whether you're good

00:30:16.670 --> 00:30:20.849
or bad. But as I approached that heaven realm,

00:30:21.710 --> 00:30:28.079
I saw this really beautiful pink and white and

00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:32.789
gold mist. and it looked like clouds around the

00:30:32.789 --> 00:30:36.279
heaven realm. And as we got closer and closer

00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:40.240
and closer, I realized that this mist, it was

00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:44.720
actually made of these big orbs, like big spheres.

00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.740
And then inside these spheres, there was souls

00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:54.980
who were releasing or cleansing themselves of

00:30:54.980 --> 00:30:59.039
some type of victimhood or some type of prejudice.

00:30:59.410 --> 00:31:03.829
or some type of problem that they can't have

00:31:03.829 --> 00:31:07.750
and get into heaven. You know, heaven is a very

00:31:07.750 --> 00:31:11.250
clean, pure place, and we do have to release

00:31:11.250 --> 00:31:14.329
our humanness. We have to release all of our

00:31:14.329 --> 00:31:16.789
prejudices. There's no room for prejudice in

00:31:16.789 --> 00:31:21.710
heaven. The same way that the sun is not prejudice,

00:31:22.450 --> 00:31:26.119
heaven is not prejudice. And so we have to release

00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.039
all prejudice, and that's... That's the one thing

00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.109
I saw a lot of in those pearls, those orbs, is

00:31:33.109 --> 00:31:37.430
there was people inside them that felt that they

00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:40.829
were a victim of some kind and that they were

00:31:40.829 --> 00:31:43.609
not willing to let go of that victimhood. And

00:31:43.609 --> 00:31:46.750
finally, they got to a point where they got to

00:31:46.750 --> 00:31:50.380
the end of the victim road and they took their

00:31:50.380 --> 00:31:53.940
last victim breath. And then there was an angel

00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:57.480
right there to pull that energy off of them.

00:31:57.789 --> 00:32:01.430
and then escort them directly into heaven. And

00:32:01.430 --> 00:32:05.450
I witnessed it live for one individual. And if

00:32:05.450 --> 00:32:07.750
I would have held out for just a couple more

00:32:07.750 --> 00:32:09.569
minutes, I probably would have seen a second

00:32:09.569 --> 00:32:14.240
one go instantly. But I saw this man from either

00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:18.240
the late 1800s or early 1900s. And he was speaking

00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:22.140
Italian. He was cussing out his son for being

00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:26.359
betrayed. He felt betrayed by his son. is like

00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.869
all of a sudden he realized that what he thought

00:32:29.869 --> 00:32:33.529
he was looking at was his son was not his son

00:32:33.589 --> 00:32:37.950
and that he was in this special place to release

00:32:37.950 --> 00:32:41.329
this kind of energy and he could feel the love

00:32:41.329 --> 00:32:45.339
around it and as soon as he breathed his his

00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:48.640
last breath of letting go of that victimhood

00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:53.539
it's these two angels came and and kind of stood

00:32:53.539 --> 00:32:57.269
on each side of him and then took him in a flash,

00:32:57.609 --> 00:33:00.569
literally a flash. And I know where they took

00:33:00.569 --> 00:33:03.730
him. They took him directly into heaven where

00:33:03.730 --> 00:33:06.670
he could probably go watch his son. I think his

00:33:06.670 --> 00:33:09.109
son was already there. It seemed like it was

00:33:09.109 --> 00:33:12.970
so long ago that he died. His son was probably

00:33:12.970 --> 00:33:16.329
already in heaven waiting for him. Yeah. I find

00:33:16.329 --> 00:33:18.509
that comforting to know that there's going to

00:33:18.509 --> 00:33:23.230
be some sort of a help or a way for us to get

00:33:23.230 --> 00:33:27.079
past the baggage that we are caring so much of

00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.890
here in this life. Even if we feel like we're

00:33:30.890 --> 00:33:34.230
not prejudiced, we've been hurt by people. And

00:33:34.230 --> 00:33:36.369
we're trying, oh, I don't hold a grudge, but

00:33:36.369 --> 00:33:39.069
there's something back there that's saying, yeah,

00:33:39.069 --> 00:33:41.230
I'm still ticked off at that person for something

00:33:41.230 --> 00:33:43.670
they did to me, you know, whenever, when I was

00:33:43.670 --> 00:33:47.230
a kid or whatever. And so I don't know, would

00:33:47.230 --> 00:33:50.650
you call this more of a... Cleansing a healing

00:33:50.650 --> 00:33:54.630
or back to your statement about how your vibration

00:33:54.630 --> 00:33:59.150
was just raised I'd say it's a cleansing the

00:33:59.150 --> 00:34:02.819
healing happens as we enter heaven But you know

00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:06.779
what's really neat is in heaven They actually

00:34:06.779 --> 00:34:09.480
have these now. I don't talk about this much

00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.250
anywhere But in heaven they have these orbs that

00:34:14.250 --> 00:34:17.070
are like half orbs. It's almost like they're

00:34:17.070 --> 00:34:22.260
domes and parents who have lost children, kids

00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:25.159
that lost their moms or dads really early in

00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.840
life, they're able to go in one of these domes

00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.699
and they're able to go through and have all the

00:34:33.699 --> 00:34:35.960
missed experiences that they wish they would

00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.079
have had. And this is a, they call it the place

00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.559
of lost opportunities. That's the way it was

00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.780
described to me. But it's a special place that

00:34:45.820 --> 00:34:49.340
anything that we feel we were robbed of here,

00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:54.650
we get to go there and actually live it however

00:34:54.650 --> 00:34:57.429
long we want to live it. If we want to go through

00:34:57.429 --> 00:35:01.309
the full experience, we can do it. But it's a

00:35:01.309 --> 00:35:05.840
special preparation so that we can be in our

00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.599
personal heaven. And it's, you know, for some

00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:11.860
of us, especially if some of us have lost children

00:35:11.860 --> 00:35:17.150
or lost parents or lost siblings, We ache to

00:35:17.150 --> 00:35:19.909
have the experiences we see other people having.

00:35:20.789 --> 00:35:23.250
And part of our journey to be cleansed and ready

00:35:23.250 --> 00:35:29.400
to go into our eternal peaceful state is to go

00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.719
to one of those lost opportunity places. And

00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:35.719
it's such a really neat thing that heaven is

00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:40.579
full of so much love that literally nothing is

00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:44.690
left unturned to help us. Nothing. And it's all

00:35:44.690 --> 00:35:48.929
about us, how much we're able to let go of the

00:35:48.929 --> 00:35:53.090
earth life and embrace the new life or our eternal

00:35:53.090 --> 00:35:56.769
life, which is the heaven life. And the same

00:35:56.769 --> 00:36:00.710
way that a good parent on earth is going to keep

00:36:00.710 --> 00:36:03.769
trying to help their kids, it's no different

00:36:03.769 --> 00:36:07.070
than there. It's just there they have a lot more

00:36:07.070 --> 00:36:11.570
power and ability than we do as human parents.

00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:16.119
And it's a beautiful thing to witness. What did

00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:19.760
you hear while you were there? So as soon as

00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.079
you even get close, you start hearing music.

00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.019
And it's not like music we have here. It's music

00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:32.559
that makes every... You know, it's weird. There,

00:36:32.739 --> 00:36:35.199
you don't have your physical dense body, but

00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.869
you still have a physical energy body. And I

00:36:38.869 --> 00:36:43.929
could feel every cell of my being. every bit

00:36:43.929 --> 00:36:49.190
of energy of what I was be moved, moved by the

00:36:49.190 --> 00:36:54.010
music. The music actually would approach you

00:36:54.010 --> 00:36:57.949
and become part of you as it went through you.

00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.519
And as we got closer and closer, I realized that

00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.619
the music was being made almost like a symphony

00:37:05.619 --> 00:37:10.699
by the grass and the flowers and the trees and

00:37:10.699 --> 00:37:14.619
the water. And the sky there, the clouds there,

00:37:14.739 --> 00:37:18.219
the snow there. There was this hill, this big

00:37:18.219 --> 00:37:22.510
hill covered with cherry blossoms. That even

00:37:22.510 --> 00:37:26.230
had music coming off of it. Everything there

00:37:26.230 --> 00:37:31.170
had a tone. And just to get close to it, it felt

00:37:31.170 --> 00:37:33.829
like you were approaching a symphony of healing

00:37:33.829 --> 00:37:38.309
and love. And truly, this music was otherworldly.

00:37:38.570 --> 00:37:41.690
Because it would pass through you through your

00:37:41.690 --> 00:37:44.530
being and you could feel that you were becoming

00:37:44.530 --> 00:37:48.150
part of it as you approached it and It was in

00:37:48.150 --> 00:37:51.510
in all things there was music there all things

00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:55.980
That's amazing and a little bit hard to fully

00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:59.840
let sink in Because we I don't know we picture

00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.820
heaven as oh, there's these big choirs or there's

00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:05.989
trumpets or whatever and your description is

00:38:05.989 --> 00:38:08.070
very different and it also makes a really lot

00:38:08.070 --> 00:38:11.670
of sense to me. Let's go back to one other thing

00:38:11.670 --> 00:38:15.670
before we move on and that is, what did you learn

00:38:15.670 --> 00:38:19.889
about prayer from what happened to you with your

00:38:19.889 --> 00:38:22.789
brother giving you that prayer, that blessing,

00:38:23.269 --> 00:38:26.530
and you feeling pulled back to your body? What

00:38:26.530 --> 00:38:30.260
can we all learn about prayer from that? Well,

00:38:30.380 --> 00:38:33.780
there's a very simple equation. It's an eternal

00:38:33.780 --> 00:38:37.920
equation. And that is where the consciousness

00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:44.880
goes, the universe sends energy to flow. So where

00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:48.920
the consciousness goes, energy flows. And so

00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:53.000
prayer is kind of like taking consciousness and

00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.849
giving it a target, giving it a directive. And

00:38:57.849 --> 00:39:03.030
when we do this, it gives rise to God's love.

00:39:03.369 --> 00:39:06.750
Which is this universe this universe runs off

00:39:06.750 --> 00:39:11.019
of God's love for us It gives power to that system

00:39:11.019 --> 00:39:15.980
to start organizing and forming To perform what

00:39:15.980 --> 00:39:19.000
we're asking it to perform. It doesn't mean that

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.340
we're given every prayer But what's really neat

00:39:22.340 --> 00:39:26.550
is when we pray? We are we are fundamentally

00:39:26.550 --> 00:39:31.940
moving the universe to deliver a higher outcome

00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.980
some type of higher outcome, higher vibration

00:39:35.980 --> 00:39:40.840
of love, higher vibration of feeling heaven's

00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:44.519
love for us. Even if the answer to the prayer

00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:48.420
is not given, answers are given, even in disguise.

00:39:49.139 --> 00:39:52.119
Yeah. I guess what I was getting at is did you

00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.889
learn anything about how I don't know. In this

00:39:55.889 --> 00:39:59.210
spiritual realm is there something sort of physical

00:39:59.210 --> 00:40:02.469
about it to a prayer? We hear the term power

00:40:02.469 --> 00:40:05.929
of prayer, but I don't really know what power

00:40:05.929 --> 00:40:09.989
of prayer means, okay? Unless you can tell me

00:40:09.989 --> 00:40:14.369
something happens when we pray that on the other

00:40:14.369 --> 00:40:17.730
side there is some sort of a reaction or an action

00:40:17.730 --> 00:40:20.389
begun. I don't know if that question makes any

00:40:20.389 --> 00:40:24.469
sense at all but fill in the blanks I have. Let

00:40:24.469 --> 00:40:27.969
me give you a parable, okay? Imagine your child

00:40:27.969 --> 00:40:32.190
who you love immensely decides to call you and

00:40:32.190 --> 00:40:35.780
ask for help. You're going to listen and you're

00:40:35.780 --> 00:40:39.360
going to do whatever you can to help them. That's

00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:43.739
the power of prayer. Our Creator loves us. Whether

00:40:43.739 --> 00:40:46.179
we believe in that love or not doesn't change

00:40:46.179 --> 00:40:49.199
the fact that it's there. The fact that the universe

00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.980
exists is proof of the love our Creator has for

00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:57.320
us. And when we pray, we are calling that Creator

00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:01.869
and calling in and asking for a favor. And our

00:41:01.869 --> 00:41:05.730
Creator, again, with that love, is going to pool

00:41:05.730 --> 00:41:10.230
resources from this universe and the eternal

00:41:10.230 --> 00:41:15.449
universes and try to guide them into empowering

00:41:15.449 --> 00:41:18.989
those prayers and thoughts that we have. The

00:41:18.989 --> 00:41:23.480
hard part for us to understand is sometimes we

00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.880
put our target on a specific outcome because

00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:31.139
we think that's what we want. But God loves us

00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:34.579
so much that God will give us a higher outcome

00:41:34.579 --> 00:41:37.840
even if it's a little bit tougher than what we

00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:41.920
want. That makes sense. I mean if you think about

00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.019
it, if we're not careful sometimes our prayers

00:41:45.019 --> 00:41:49.159
are almost like a wish list. Hey please help

00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.309
this happen and this happened. because I really

00:41:52.309 --> 00:41:58.090
need this, right? And there's got to be something

00:41:58.090 --> 00:42:02.230
so much deeper to that communication with heaven

00:42:02.230 --> 00:42:06.469
than just some sort of a wish list. All right,

00:42:06.469 --> 00:42:09.250
I appreciate all your insights and all your wisdom.

00:42:09.989 --> 00:42:12.909
I know that God doesn't care if we're asking

00:42:12.909 --> 00:42:16.090
for stuff a lot, but I do know that nothing makes

00:42:16.090 --> 00:42:19.469
God happier than when we're asking for something

00:42:19.469 --> 00:42:23.480
for someone else. nothing makes God happier than

00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:27.780
when we do that. I think those prayers are stronger,

00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:31.280
have more of something behind them because of

00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.699
the fact that they're not in any kind of a way

00:42:33.699 --> 00:42:37.349
selfish. That totally makes sense that that would

00:42:37.349 --> 00:42:41.570
be part of God's law and laws of the universe

00:42:41.570 --> 00:42:45.150
along with that. Alright, when we last spoke,

00:42:45.449 --> 00:42:48.570
your book, The Light After Death, was fairly

00:42:48.570 --> 00:42:50.389
new, has it done pretty well over the last three

00:42:50.389 --> 00:42:55.900
years? It's done absolutely insane. We've never

00:42:55.900 --> 00:42:59.559
marketed it anywhere other than just doing interviews

00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:04.199
like we have. Yeah, we've crested well over 100

00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:08.340
,000 units sold. So it's a really good selling

00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:12.300
book. What I love about it is not that it's selling

00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:16.219
good, but that it's truly changing people's lives.

00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.980
It's helping remind people that they can have

00:43:20.980 --> 00:43:24.179
a relationship with their creator, no matter

00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:28.059
where they stand in their world. If they stand

00:43:28.059 --> 00:43:31.840
in religion, outside religion, or running away

00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.579
from religion, they can have a personal relationship

00:43:35.579 --> 00:43:39.519
with their creator. And to me, that's the beauty

00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.260
of it. I really love that outcome. Even to a

00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:46.389
point, there was a... a really inspirational

00:43:46.389 --> 00:43:49.630
experience where someone was about to do something

00:43:49.630 --> 00:43:53.349
really, really irresponsible with their own life.

00:43:53.909 --> 00:43:56.550
And they happened to find the book on the top

00:43:56.550 --> 00:44:02.869
of a gas pump and they read it. And by page three

00:44:02.869 --> 00:44:06.349
or four, he had realized that it was going to

00:44:06.349 --> 00:44:08.929
be a big mistake to carry through with his plans.

00:44:08.929 --> 00:44:12.469
And he's still around to this day. And, you know,

00:44:12.489 --> 00:44:14.789
I was able to shake his hand and give him a hug

00:44:14.789 --> 00:44:18.869
and hear his personal story. And he's one of

00:44:18.869 --> 00:44:22.409
many, many people I've heard now that I couldn't

00:44:22.409 --> 00:44:26.119
have imagined that just sharing my story could

00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.599
impact others that way. But heaven has planned

00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.659
it. I know they have. Because it connects to

00:44:32.659 --> 00:44:35.599
everybody where they are. It's been a beautiful

00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.750
experience to witness this. Tell me about the

00:44:38.750 --> 00:44:40.829
Living God's Light community. Is this something

00:44:40.829 --> 00:44:44.820
that you organized on your own? Yeah, so I co

00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:47.960
-founded LivingGodsLight .org with Lynn Taylor.

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.400
He's my co -author on my book. What we did is

00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:55.460
we wanted to create kind of an online spiritual

00:44:55.460 --> 00:45:00.239
community that has like physical retreats or

00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:03.559
uplifting retreats that people can go to as well

00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:06.969
as a conference once a year. And so we do, we

00:45:06.969 --> 00:45:10.530
have a conference in the spring. Next year, 2027

00:45:10.530 --> 00:45:15.650
will be the last week of April. So it'll be like

00:45:15.650 --> 00:45:21.050
April 30th to May 1st and 2nd. We really work

00:45:21.050 --> 00:45:25.099
to inspire each other, lift each other up and

00:45:25.099 --> 00:45:28.340
help each other where each of us are without

00:45:28.340 --> 00:45:31.860
doing any type of judging each other or putting

00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:35.179
each other down or up. We just want to lift.

00:45:35.369 --> 00:45:38.570
each other up. Yeah, and that's what it's all

00:45:38.570 --> 00:45:43.090
about. And eventually we do seek to start a physical

00:45:43.090 --> 00:45:46.190
community. Maybe it's out where I'm living in

00:45:46.190 --> 00:45:49.730
Georgia, maybe it's somewhere else, but we do

00:45:49.730 --> 00:45:53.750
want to do a school, a healing sanctuary, and

00:45:53.750 --> 00:45:57.690
a physical community where people can come and

00:45:57.690 --> 00:46:02.699
live and kind of separate from the the mundane

00:46:02.699 --> 00:46:05.659
world and live in a community where we take care

00:46:05.659 --> 00:46:09.119
of each other and we see each other every day

00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:13.559
and live in the way that our ancestors did, essentially.

00:46:14.869 --> 00:46:17.489
All right. I'm going to give you the final word.

00:46:18.269 --> 00:46:20.789
Wrap us up with some kind of a message of hope.

00:46:21.170 --> 00:46:24.190
For those that are really looking and really

00:46:24.190 --> 00:46:27.889
wondering, is there a God? Is there an afterlife?

00:46:28.739 --> 00:46:31.940
Or are we just here for a while and then that's

00:46:31.940 --> 00:46:36.369
it? What's neat is one of my greatest teachers

00:46:36.369 --> 00:46:40.789
is a man who came to earth under the name Yeshua.

00:46:41.929 --> 00:46:45.429
The world knows him as Jesus, but that name wasn't

00:46:45.429 --> 00:46:49.570
given to him until almost 300 years after his

00:46:49.570 --> 00:46:54.429
ministry. His name as he was foretold, his name

00:46:54.429 --> 00:46:58.219
that was given to him at birth was Yeshua. And

00:46:58.219 --> 00:47:03.639
Yeshua, he teaches people that what we say we

00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:07.380
are, we are. That's why his name sounds like

00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:12.739
yes, you are. We are what we say we are. Our

00:47:12.739 --> 00:47:16.679
words are very powerful. That's why when we write

00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:20.050
down our words, we call it spelling, because

00:47:20.050 --> 00:47:24.309
our words are magical. And it's important that

00:47:24.309 --> 00:47:28.099
we use positive words. especially when we speak

00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:32.400
about life, because those words have power. And

00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.320
when we learn how to use the power of our thoughts

00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:39.119
and our words, our life will fundamentally change.

00:47:39.789 --> 00:47:42.590
And a challenge I have for anyone who doesn't

00:47:42.590 --> 00:47:44.690
believe in God or doesn't believe there is a

00:47:44.690 --> 00:47:50.369
God, just for an experiment, pretend that there

00:47:50.369 --> 00:47:55.239
is a God and say, God, show me that you're real.

00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:01.059
send me a sign and then open your eyes and smile

00:48:01.059 --> 00:48:05.360
and be kind to those around you. And I know that

00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.579
God will bring you a sign. God is real. God cares

00:48:09.579 --> 00:48:12.599
about every single one of us, every single one

00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:17.420
of us. And God considers us the same way that

00:48:17.420 --> 00:48:23.340
heaven considers us, that we are the divine masterwork.

00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.920
It took eons of time, effort, and love to create

00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:33.550
us. And we are that divine masterwork. So remember

00:48:33.550 --> 00:48:37.659
who you are. Remember who you are. Thank you,

00:48:37.699 --> 00:48:39.659
Vinnie. I appreciate it. It's really good to

00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:42.019
see you again. And keep up all the good work.

00:48:42.139 --> 00:48:45.360
You're busy out there. Yes. I'm always busy.

00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.480
Yeah. Thank you so much, Eric. And thank you.

00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.000
I'm so grateful that you reached out. And I love

00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.420
how this happened. I had a rescheduling and right

00:48:54.420 --> 00:48:56.920
when you reached out, it was like, bam, it was

00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:00.059
so perfect. So thank you, brother. Thanks for

00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:04.139
everything that you do. Thanks again for listening

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