"I Saw HIS Hand" - Proof of Greg's NDE

0:03 From the time that they pronounced me that was a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I could see people screaming and crying But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else The only thing that I could feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I had known in the past I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody. Oh my gosh, we're doing something different today.

0:45 It seems like I say that all the time. Hey Greg, over in Tokyo, say hello to everybody. Hello everybody from Tokyo, Japan here. It's been really interesting coming all the way over here. You know, I've had like six earthquakes since I've been here. Yeah, it's a crazy place there. There's some big things going on in the world right now as you probably well know in regards to all this Not only both not only the earthquakes and thank God that Japan's very prepared for earthquakes Because what was it Venezuela that wasn't really well prepared? Yeah, and when you see things like this in some parts of Asia and and yeah and Venezuela and Thousands of people die. It's it's horrible and tragic Hey before we get into it. Let me just give a a little bit of background and then I'm gonna have you do some kind of summary and and some some pre -work here for everybody but Greg was on the show a year ago and I don't very often have people back but he was one of our most popular episodes especially on YouTube I think I don't know 150 ,000 views or something like that and over 800 comments which means people were into it there's always controversy you know love hate but wow a lot more love than hate on this one anyway greg wanted to come back and we're thrilled to have him back and we're going to be talking about some new things today from greg we're not just rehashing the old stuff but

2:17 we are going to do one thing and that is for those who aren't familiar with greg's story i have asked him to take i don't know maybe 10 minutes or so kind of bringing us up to speed, Greg, on what your NDE experience was. And it's so deep that people that want to hear more can go back to the episode from a year ago. I believe it's number 531. We'll put a link down in the show notes because a lot of people are going to hear you for the first time and want to go back and get the whole hour plus version. So with that, Is there any way that you can summarize your experience before we jump into the new stuff?

2:58 Yeah, I think a very quick summary is just the whole journey to the other side, which was basically first, there was like a lot of darkness, almost like as I walked through the valley, the shadow of death, you know, there was this whole darkness, a lot of reflecting with the difficulties that we all go through life, then encountering an angel. And what some might call the Holy Spirit, which is actually what I personally believe it was, I was greeted by the angel that ultimately looks at your heart, which is interesting because if you notice in scripture, it says, God judges the heart, right? He doesn't judge your beliefs. He doesn't even judge all these things. It's your heart. And I learned firsthand with being in front of her that... how naked I was in front of her, meaning not with clothing, obviously, but naked in regards to your heart was very much exposed. And that was something that I really learned through experience that was awkward.

3:52 It was just very strange. You felt very vulnerable and you saw a lot of things about yourself that you didn't even know about yourself in your own heart. And then there was a choice whether she was going to take me to the next place, which she did. And then this gets interesting because she took my hand and we went into the star, we went into the sun. And the reason that's interesting is because if you read in Psalms, I was surprised to find out how the sun is mentioned as what they called the bridal chamber, you know, kind of where you merge with the Holy Spirit, which is actually what I experienced. I merged with the Holy Spirit and we were traveling the stars, which is more, you know, I think I had mentioned also this in the story about this book that is a very strange book that talks about the same exact thing and Then we travel the stars and eventually we we ended up in this almost like there's a council Call it almost like the council of God. I I'm sorry to interrupt I just want to interject one thing on this angel that you're talking about right now I went back and relistened to our interview and I almost felt like you were describing a female deity even more than you were an angel. Do you feel strongly like this was an angel or could it have been more than that? Some people have thought that it was like, you know, some people say the Virgin Mary. It was a female being of light. I think what people

5:23 miss, and there's a lot of updates about all this, like when Jesus got baptized, for example, and the Holy Spirit came down, the Holy Spirit was depicted as a white dove, right? And when a man and a woman get married, The woman dresses in all white and the man dresses in black, right? Typically, that's your typical, the suit and she wears the white dress. And what I kind of learned was, and if you look, there was a gentleman that reached out to me who is a Bible scholar. And so he was shedding light on a lot of things that I experienced that I didn't totally understand where he was kind of saying things like, did you realize that the Holy Spirit is depicted as female in the scriptures? When you look at the original language, whether it's Aramaic and you know, Hebrew and even Greek. She was definitely female. I call her an angel of light, but she was really just, she was a being of light and what was emanating off of her very strongly, which was basically like emotions. It's weird to say that she was emanating emotions, but you could feel the peace. You could feel the extreme levels of love. You could, you could feel the infinite patience, just infinite patience. and all these beautiful qualities and one of the big ones was very motherly. So it was almost like she was the mother of, I don't know, she just felt very motherly. And that's the way that she felt. So yeah, it was definitely female.

6:48 And is it an angel per se? I don't know. I mean, I call it, honestly, I call it for the sake of argument because people get so, like we were talking actually about how people get so into their beliefs. so I always feel like I gotta be so I hate to be that cautious but I wish I could speak more freely but you can speak more freely I don't want you to be cautious it's okay and and the only reason I bring that up is because as I was re -listening to how you were describing this being that was just sort of my impression of what you were trying to say but were maybe afraid to say because that that would be difficult for a lot of people to hear but if you're not sure that's okay too Being of light is fine.

7:31 Yeah, it was definitely a female being of light. And in my personal opinion, after a lot of self -reflection and even going back and meditating on it because meditating back on the NDE has been very helpful because we miss things because my brain wasn't allowed to really be there. I knew that when I was there, I wasn't functioning from my brain. I was functioning from like the soul. It's almost like most of the things I remember, have you ever noticed that you remember things by heart sometimes? Like a song, you know the song by heart, but you don't really like know it in your head. So it's kind of reliving and going back, you know, back in there. And I never have dreams about it. And literally just two nights ago, I had a dream about that journey again, almost like it's been trying to speak to me ever since it happened. Well, we remember the things that we feel much more than we remember specific words. So I think that's what you're talking about here and that would make sense Because of that's how our human brains function, you know when you meet someone for the first time Let's talk about love at first sight, right?

8:43 It's not oh, I remember she said hello nice ring or whatever. No, it was how someone felt immediately and That's what I keep getting from you. I'm sorry to keep interjecting, but I want you to let it all out. I don't want you to hold back. I don't care if these things are controversial. So just a light on us. Yeah. So like I said, I personally think it was the Holy Spirit and her light was very interesting too, because her light exposed everything. And when I say exposed everything, it exposed everything in your soul. And it allowed me on a personal level, to see a lot about myself that maybe I don't normally see or even just the average person in general.

9:28 So that was a really big quote unquote revelation for me at that moment. And then of course you feel pretty low. It's pretty humbling to see yourself that way because you don't feel like, well, I didn't, I didn't feel like fantastic. Like I'm the best guy in the world or anything. You know, it was very humbling to see all your faults. It didn't feel like she was judging me though. It almost felt like God wrote the law on our hearts or on us somehow. And she just shed that light so in a way we could see all the things. And then that's why you reach that whole repentance here. You're not repenting because somebody else is chastising you. You're repenting because you're seeing the truth upon yourself.

10:11 And she was just shedding that light. That was the first experience. Then we travel the stars. And it was a lot like the movie. It's funny. I stumbled upon the movie. Have you seen a movie called Contact? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Why is that interesting, by the way? I'm curious now because there's something interesting about this too, from my end. I just thought it was a cool movie and it's been years since I've seen it. Were there beings with like lit up all over? I'm trying to remember. Because the main thing that I remember from that movie is the final scene with the beach and weren't there like two or three moons or something? And it was beautiful. That was the whole reason I brought it up is because when she was traveling that's what it was literally like it was like you would go through the star and the star was like a door or a portal of sorts or a gate and then you'd go through at these crazy high speeds and it was just like the movie contact the way you were moving and you could see the cosmos but you were going so fast and so it was extremely similar to that movie and when she would arrive somewhere I remember that this, it was so identical. It almost makes me think that somebody must have experienced these things that I went through too. So you travel at immense speed and then everything just stops boom and gets really, really just instantly silent. We did a lot of that traveling through the stars until we arrived to the council and the council was the one that had, they knew who I was. They were like, we've been waiting for you. It was this whole, it even felt like a.

11:40 Dinner or like a supper which was really really strange that it felt that way and then they had a lot of visions for me and talking to me and that kind of stuff and then they're the ones who actually opened up the door that ultimately led to God and One of the things that I had reflected on it was one of one of the comments one of your viewers Which is why this is always so helpful, you know when we all reflect with each other when I went into the Almighty the Almighty look like He looked like a giant river, but extremely massive, just absolutely huge. And of course he moved like the river, kind of like the wind, but ultimately without thinking about it, I walked into him and it was like a baptism, I guess.

12:24 You know, I guess I didn't really think about it a ton, but I literally walked into him as if I was walking into a river and I ironically self -baptized, I guess I laid down in him and something happened since then. I mean, since we've spoken since the last time, there are a lot of things that have happened and continuous information because he was, you know, this is kind of, I don't know if this is controversial, but you have the being of light, right? This, this just absolute beauty, which is what I think most people with NDs describe, you know, the light and all, and all the feeling of love and all these beautiful things. But when I was with God, it was quite different. It wasn't all rainbows and unicorns and just bright light. He let me know a lot of things, but one, it's the source of everything. So everything is born of him, including the Holy Spirit, it seems, which was almost like his heart, I guess, his heart of hearts, who knows? And there was so much information.

13:25 The level of information that was flowing through him is unfathomable. One of the stranger things that I shared with a friend of mine was even the knowledge of the pyramids. as crazy as and as weird as that sounds like for example just the pyramid of Giza that information as far as the structure of it how they built it like all these all this information flowed by me in probably one second or less maybe nanoseconds and there was so much information and which is overwhelming because i can't explain to you how to build the pyramid of Giza in one second that's i can't do that and So it was too much for my brain to comprehend. So I either had to surrender or try to grab just one little tiny piece. And I chose the latter. I chose surrendering. I just chose to lay in him and the information was flowing through me. And he rarely spoke, but he spoke for a moment. He said, everything that was flowing through him felt like an answer to a question, but it was only answers. I quickly realized answers make no sense if there's no question. If I tell you the answer is red, you're like, well, what does red mean? Or 0 .256, what does that mean?

14:42 Right? It doesn't mean anything without a question. And then he spoke, because I felt confusion about just massive amount of information flowing through me, which I didn't realize, by the way, Eric, till later, that information was being, it's in me. It was being almost like downloaded, almost like an IV drip. It's been dripping. Ever since and so that's why it's it's compiled into I literally have a book inside of me that I've never written because I don't consider myself a writer, but there's a lot of information that's been shared and of course I've been questioning for a long time whether I should share a lot of it and To be quite honest your viewer inspired me to do it. She's that whoever made that comment that said look You got to go to the other side and be baptized in God. This is kind of something that we should actually What's the word I'm looking for? I mean, obviously be grateful for, but potentially like you got the opportunity to come back. You should talk about this. You should share what's been shown to you, but I'm not going to lie to you, Eric, as you and I were talking before, some of it might be very controversial. And so that's why, you know, I don't like, I don't think anybody likes hate. You know, you don't want people hating on you. And, and you know, you mentioned the other show that we did, and it was actually quite beautiful for the most part.

15:58 Most people made very positive comments and which was really nice and kind of encourages you to say hey should I come out of my shell more should I share some of these things because some of these things like like we said you know some of them can be controversial and so laying in him when he spoke you know the Almighty said there are no questions here only answers and that was one thing that he said and it was I find it funny reflecting back on it because that's what it was it was just all these answers And it would take a lot of self -reflection to figure out the questions. And I think that the right thing sometimes is when you're seeking as a scripture, say, right, seek and you shall find, sometimes the most important thing is finding the right questions. And then you seek out the answer, you know, for that deeper understanding. And so that's kind of the story in a nutshell. Though, actually, though I did come back, I guess that's the other part of the story. And I did come back and I learned something also because I came back and with God there was some form of sound. You could call it a frequency if you want, but it was like a sound within a sound within a sound.

17:07 It was multiple sounds that interjected that really created him. And I didn't understand until again these things took so much time to kind of re -download. Do you remember in the scripture at the beginning how it says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God? And the word was God. First John, I believe. Well, in the very beginning, I thought it was, if I remember correctly, I thought it was Genesis. Well, Genesis talks about about that very thing. It's also in in John one. Sorry, not first John John one in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. There you go. And yes, that's also related to Genesis as well.

17:49 And that's exactly what I came to realize that It wasn't a word. I think when you look at the original writings and you talk about the logos and what that word means, because it's confusing to us. See, the problem is when you experience something like being on the other side and then you hear certain words. When I hear a word, I don't know about you, but I think of a word. I think of one word. In the beginning was the word. But what I realized is the beginning was sound. There was a sound. God is like this strange sound. And interestingly enough, when we were talking about the things that I actually saw on the other side, I've never heard that or read it in any book that described the other side accurately, which is maybe controversial, too, because I know a lot of people have claimed to have their NDEs. I've never heard one NDE describe what I saw. So I felt kind of alone in it, right?

18:41 Like, OK, this is interesting. And then I found it in this book. This book is like all these stories and things that Jesus said that I've never heard of before. But he described it. with perfection. And then he literally described in the beginning was a sound. He called it sound. He didn't call it word. So this was actually, I hate to say this, but this is way more accurate. The things that Jesus was saying in this book. So this book began to be very interesting to me. I'm like, this is a book that people have said terrible things about. And all I know about it is from the research that I did is this man claims that his father was a famous translator. and that this famous translator had access to hidden archives from the Vatican. So he claims that this is stuff from the Vatican. I don't really care so much about that. If the information is accurate, if it looks like everything I experienced on the other side, I just went with that, with personal experience. So that was something that was interesting to me. Yeah. And I'll just interject.

19:39 We're not doing an infomercial for this book, certainly. In fact, I haven't even read it, but... You and I are both seekers of truth. And when we find things wherever we find it, if it rings true, then great, we've learned something new. And this is a place where you learn some new things. And that's, I think that's why you've brought it up multiple times. Should we move on from here? Let's talk about, I'm just backing up on everything tonight. So I apologize listeners, but I have found that people don't always remember everything from their NDE immediately. Some people don't remember their NDE at all immediately and it comes to them oh like Vinnie Tolman hit him three days later all of a sudden all of it came flooding back and some people it takes longer and there's everything in between but one thing of note here And I think this is kind of where we're going with Greg, is even if you remember all of it immediately, it can take a long, long time to process. And as you're processing this over days, months, years, decades, you can learn new things from it. That doesn't mean that these things aren't real or true. It's okay that some of these things take time. Especially since we don't have like an NDE therapist to go to to help you immediately within a couple of days understand everything. So everybody's on their

21:11 own journey to really learn and figure these things out from themselves. So I think that's where we're going today is I don't know if there's our new things that you remember. If so, tell me. And if not, we'll jump into just new things that you have learned from it. Yeah, there was one part that I had forgotten was I got to see as strange as this sounds, too. I got to see the hand of what I think was God. I mean, I'm being cautious again, but his hand was like super big. I mean, super huge, so big that Earth felt like it would probably be less than a grain of sand on your finger on your thumb. And that was one part that I hadn't remembered. And when it came back to me, I was like, oh, that's right.

21:54 I remember his hand being really, really big. I don't know why he showed it the way he showed it. And it was ironic to me that a lot of the stuff that's bringing back memories is stuff that I'm seeing here in Japan. It's shocking to me because I think that the whole story, not just of my NDE, but even stuff in scripture and the whole bit. I didn't realize, some people have made some interesting discoveries, not just in Japan, but in China, that completely relates to the scriptures, by the way. And it's within their symbols. There's something very deep within even the scriptures that we don't know about, even in Asia, including the council that I saw.

22:37 I think I might have mentioned that one before, that I saw it in Japan. I saw it on some painting and I was like... Where did that come from because that's what I saw it's almost like there's bits and pieces scattered everywhere So I found that kind of kind of odd and interesting and and how biblical stories are within symbols in Chinese characters and Japanese characters if anybody has not heard about this it's quite new and it's very strange because we have the proof we can literally look at them and it took a guy to Kind of decipher them and see them not to mention. This is very important work I really wish people have a hard time finding this one. It's really hard a guy named Rob Robert Moll no, not Robert Malone Robert Edward grant Have you heard of this guy at all Eric? No, so another one where he found these things written inside the pyramids and they also depict Very interesting things within scripture including what I saw the most beautiful image of the tree of life and certain things that happened to me when I was on the other side that are written inside the pyramid of Giza. I don't know if you find that odd. How is that possible? And it seems to me that they were definitely traveling the stars and they knew how. And so that's why there's all these, it's all scattered and there's pieces everywhere.

23:56 And like I said, more memories, you know, coming forth little by little. Yeah, it's interesting. Especially that some things that relate to Christianity would be in Asia where there's very little Christianity going on. So I wonder what the history of some of those are. Where did they come from? Do you have any idea? Well, my own personal opinion is that I think that the stories that we hear are possibly older than we realize. Like, for example, the Great Flood, you know, Noah. I think these stories go back quite a bit farther. I found super fun. Like I said, these particular these guys from China see him have to discover this within their characters. And they started sharing basically Christianity in China because of it, which is all very, very interesting. And they have what I've come to realize. And this triggers people for some reason. But there's certain words that are used in Asia that I've come to realize are basically the same thing, but a different word is used in Christianity.

25:00 So people get triggered because it sounds like a different word. And then people start arguing and I'm thinking to myself, when I really look at it, we're talking about the same thing, guys. You know what I mean? Yeah. Do you have an example? Well, let me think. I'm trying to think of one that's not as controversial as the one that I did here. I can tell you, well, like the Holy Spirit and that light they have a name for her in in china and they call her guanyin so it's a little bit of a what does that mean is there a direct translation of some kind well guanyin is her name okay i think they call her like a bodhisattva so that's why that would probably get controversial you know but yet when you really learn a lot about her i look everywhere for truth eric you know i i think god is so big that there can potentially be truth all over the place.

25:50 And so that's one that I encountered, but I encountered, this was a really, really funny one. Remember the story in the Bible about don't throw pearls before swine? So I found that story both in Japan and in China. The same exact thing basically, but kind of sometimes worded a little differently. And I found the story. This was really wild. I found a story, have you ever heard of, this is embarrassing almost, but have you ever heard of the Monkey King story before? Well, I don't think so. You probably haven't. I didn't know much about it either. And this is what I mean about through my NDE, there's like, it's almost like when I spent time with God, he put up like a really strong magnet in me. And when I feel when he wants me to do certain things, like really strongly. And I went to go look into this Monkey King story because It kept being pulling to me and I thought this sounds ridiculous. That's what I thought. I thought this sounds ridiculous.

26:45 A monkey king? And it turns out that it's a very old, ancient story. And I found like the oldest version that I could find because they made it into modern -day movies. And when I went into the older versions, I was surprised how much of it is very similar to the Bible. And some of the stuff that's kind of in the Bible, for example, remember in the Bible, it says, and the voice of God is like the sound of many waters. So that's like a Bible verse that I don't know if a lot of people understand. But that's what I encountered in my NDE was how the water and the sound of the water seemed to open up certain things. And in the beginning of that movie, there depicts the water creating a sound. And the sound that they were trying to play in the movie, interestingly enough, was like the sound of the voice of God.

27:32 So I was kind of tripping out by that. I'm watching this thinking this is crazy to me. And then of course, there's a very long story, but I brought it up because of the pig. So the pig in this Asia story used to be like a high spiritual or angelic being in heaven that was cast down, kind of like when Lucifer was cast down from heaven kind of thing. And he was cast down and the pig is part of this whole story and how it involves pearls. And he's basically is a demon at this point. And do you remember how in the Bible, I think it was Jesus who cast out these demons and put them into pigs. Do you remember that story? Yeah. 2000 swine. And then they ran down a hill and drowned in the sea. Yeah. I wonder, I'm no Bible scholar either, but I wonder this.

28:24 Back in those days, we're talking a couple thousand years ago and beyond, the world was a bigger place. In other words, it wasn't as easy to travel, but there was travel. the Middle East area that we refer to as as where Jesus was and the Apostles and we know that they also traveled into areas we would now call Europe Asia's basically right next door there's no reason why there couldn't have been travel back and forth and some of these sayings like not casting your pearls before swine I don't know maybe that originated in Asia or maybe it went the other way around we don't know and frankly just because Jesus said it doesn't mean he's the very first human being to ever say it now that may be controversial it shouldn't be okay so please give that one a rest if people are worried about that one I have a question okay so you mentioned you remembered seeing the hand of God which you didn't talk about before I want to understand how seeing that hand, this gigantic hand relates to how you felt like you saw him as more of a rushing river. How does a river have a hand? How does that work? That's something that I reflected on too, because yes, he's this massive river of different colors and light and all these different things and mostly

29:55 information and extremely deep wisdom. And then all of a sudden, remember when I in the NDE that I actually was able to come back which was kind of shocking because my whole experience felt like you ain't never coming back and I don't know what changed to be honest I have no idea what changed to to bring me back unless it was the baptism in God itself because throughout the journey I noticed that I kept feeling like I was leaving more and more In fact, one of the parts that I remembered in the journey that I'd also forgotten about that has to do with the hand thing is I was leaving my body. I felt a tug and I noticed that I had almost like a string attached to me or I was tethered is what it felt like. And it seemed to be tethered to my abdomen, which I find interesting because we have our belly button. And when we were babies, we had the umbilical cord and I was tethered to my physical body, you know, on planet Earth. because I was actually able to see her. I noticed that through that attachment to my body, I could feel my attachments to everybody that I loved and cared about. So I felt all my attachments to like my parents and, you know, friends and family. Basically, you felt for whatever reason, just a lot of love.

31:15 But I didn't I didn't I had forgotten kind of about the string and that tether and that I had to release it and in a way release them. I don't know if you've ever heard that in some people's NDS, maybe that is one thing maybe I can relate with others, is that you have to release the people that you love and care about. Because if you hold on too much, it could potentially cause certain things, issues. And then of course, once I went away, when I got the chance to be in God, if that was why I got the chance to return, when I returned, ironically, that's when I saw his hand. I didn't see his hand until I returned. And I began to open my eyes which is another part that I realized about the story was, we appear to have a whole different set of eyes that we're unaware of. I call them our light eyes. And we have ears too. And it's interesting, again, I'm not trying to refer to this book a lot, and I have no interest in trying to promote it either. And by the way, look, they always wanted to sell it for $1, by the way. So they weren't, all the money was just to print more books. The guy never wanted to make a profit.

32:20 He released it on his death bed, because he knew how controversial it would be. but one of the interesting things that he writes in here in regards to the eyes of light and well it's not him writing it's he's translating Jesus's words we do have this whole other set of eyes and Jesus talks about it in this book and he describes exactly what I experienced so I came back to quote unquote earth but I was able to open up these other eyes and I was able to open up these other ears and then I saw what the scriptures called the kingdom of of God I saw a kingdom that I couldn't see before and it's right here. The crazy part is it's here on earth. And ironically, it's in nature. I'm sure you know even from reading the scriptures that what would Jesus do when he wanted to be close to God? He would go out alone into the wilderness, right? That's what he would do, which is what I was. I was out alone in the wilderness. And when I opened my eyes, everything looked so different and it was so beautiful. that I could see him in like everything.

33:23 I could see him in the leaves, the wind itself, the light, the rocks, the river, because that's where I was. And that's when, as you know from the previous story, obviously my brother eventually came over. He saw me. He thought I was dead. He saw me on the rock for like three, four hours or something like that, he said. And I wasn't moving for all that time. He was worried about me. But eventually when he came over, And then God showed up. Which is another thing I didn't think about, Eric, that a couple people mentioned. They said, do you realize having a witness is something that Jesus spoke about in the scriptures? So they pointed out to me the fact that this is a very big deal. I'm not somebody just saying, oh, I saw God and I was all by myself. There was a witness there. We both. experiences. And by the way, we're both willing to take lie detector tests, you know, if this really ends up going farther because there's a lot of information and to bring and even since we spoke, as you know, we were talking even offline about a lot of the things that I mean, unrolling like a scroll of information. And so my brother was there and we both experienced them and spend time with them. And that's when we saw the hand. So it wasn't just me that saw it, by the way, my brother saw it too. And I don't understand why we would see his hand and it was above earth like it was above us and it was um massive it was so big and so it's strange that it would take the form of a hand but then again if you think about water

34:54 water can take any shape or form really i mean we're primarily made of water and we're made in god's image and we have this hand i was just gonna say that we are primarily water aren't we yeah Boy, gee, all of a sudden the song, he's got the whole world in his hand comes to mind. Go ahead and sing it, Greg. I'm not going to. You know, it's funny that you say that, you know, he's got the whole world in his hand. It's funny. I was invited to a radio show that I did recently. It was a Christian radio show. And the guy says that he receives messages through songs. And I believe it. You know, it's funny. You just got that one. And I feel like I don't know why I feel like God works through through music in positive ways. Music can speak to all of us.

35:42 And why? Well, there is a frequency and a sound, right? And a rhythm in these songs. And sometimes they allow things to penetrate our heart in a different way than if somebody just said it. They can just say, I love you. Or if the lyrics say it just right, you feel it. Music makes you cry sometimes and makes you emotional. It goes back to what I said earlier. It's not just the words. It's the feeling that you remember the most. And the feeling can help you understand the words more, too. That's a beautiful point, Eric. I completely agree. I was just saying that the guy from that show, if anybody wants to look at his name is Trapper Jack, but that guy said that he receives all this stuff in music and he receives certain songs before the show we did and he didn't even know who I was. And the songs. We're saying some very interesting things that lined up with the story, too. We were all blown away by it. It's funny that you mentioned that one, too. Very cool. All right. What are some of the other things that you either remember or have learned since we last spoke? Well, I think the biggest ones, like I was saying, one is that the sound aspect of it, the fact that I feel like a lot of the stuff that has began to be shown to me, I was a little surprised.

36:56 And you and I talked about this. How the scriptures are coming into play and how these scriptural I I think the thing I can say is I think that we can learn more and what I mean learn more is Honestly trying to understand Jesus more and understand things that he tried to leave for us that Potentially take time. I don't know if you did you ever notice a Bible verse. There's a Bible verse that says something like Interpretation of the scriptures is not up to man interpretation of scriptures is up to God and I started noticing even for myself because again I'm not a Bible scholar and I was talking to a Bible scholar actually that reached out to me we've been talking a lot because sometimes things are revealed to me and brought to me and then it's really good to reflect with somebody who can go back and look at the Aramaic the Hebrew and the Greek I think from what I'm seeing is that the scriptures really appear to be really multi -dimensional there is a lot more to learn. Sometimes it's not as two -dimensional as we'd like to make it out to be in my opinion. Yeah and you mentioned those languages and that goes also back to translations.

38:05 Is everything in the Bible translated perfectly into English that we understand in the 21st century? You know maybe not. The nice thing is there are various translations out there right now. From someone who grew up with King James version. There's also other versions now that can clarify some things a little bit more So we have to be careful about some little Details because a translated word off just a little bit can change a meeting greatly and To me it just goes back to how do we know the truth? Things like the Bible read the book of Mark. It's right in there the Holy Spirit That's how we do it. That's the teacher.

38:53 And that helps us know what's true and not. And I promised you I didn't want to go down a whole Bible path today. So I'm the one that keeps getting off into it. It's not you. But I think these things are super interesting. And I have also found with talking to so many experiencers over the years is that I think some of the things that people see in their NDEs, and this may or may not apply to you, are symbolic. A river of water may be symbolic. Does God actually look like a river? I don't know, but the symbolism of that is very strong. And there are lots of things in scripture Jesus taught in parables.

39:40 for this very reason. He didn't lay everything out as specifically A, B, C, D, and he even explained why. Right? So the unrighteous people wouldn't really understand it. It's okay. And you know, it's funny about that comment too is I never expected to fall in love with water. You know, I think a lot of people take water for granted. You wash your hands, you take a shower, you don't think much of it. Since that experience, I've... highly fallen in love with water and even utilized it. I had a lot of medical problems and learned so much about water. It's one of the reasons I'm here in Japan. The Japanese are masterful when it comes to water. I actually ran into a guy who happens to know a scientist who's studying it, which is a really great connection for me because these are the things how water can affect us. in our health, even going down the Christian path, you know, like the most, there's a really interesting story here in Japan about a woman who was really sick and she drank the water from Lourdes, remember Lourdes, France? Oh, you don't know Lourdes? Wow, so you're, if anybody hasn't heard about this, you really should look into this. Tell me the name of it again. Lourdes, France, or some people call it Lourdes, France, depending on the pronunciation. Okay, thank you.

40:54 I have heard of that. I just misheard you the first time. You know, these connections from thousands of miles away aren't perfect. Okay, go ahead. So this has been a really strange thing that happened, you know, in regards to the NDE also and water is that there was this woman, they might call her an apparition. Some people think it was the Virgin Mary, you know, this woman of light kind of like what appeared to me too. She appeared in Lourdes, France in front of children, some children, right? And it was supposed to be these healing waters. And ironically, there's a man in Japan that had a child that was born sick and he developed with through Japanese technology, a device. And it's the device I use to overcome my medical issues, I think you know.

41:44 But he developed this device and he named it the Lord's Hydrofix is what he called it. The website is called Holy Hydrogen. But he developed this device mimicking the water of Lourdes, France, because they discovered that that water has, you know, special properties to it. So he builds this device and then of course his daughter, who was supposed to die like by the age of three or something, she's still alive and she's like 18 years old now. She's an absolute miracle. Nobody with the severity of her medical issues has ever lived that long. She's the only person in the history, you know, of mankind right now, which is very phenomenal. But the key point is because Jesus taught so much about love right remember when he was asked like what's the most important teaching of all your teachings if You can narrow it down in like one sentence. He said love one another as I have loved you Yeah, and love God and love your neighbor Yeah, and love seems to be obviously this very key component and so this man from what I learned later because I was so grateful for his device because of what it's done for me. It saved my life because I'm not even supposed to be alive right now either.

42:48 I had because of the NDE, which I OD'd, if people remember the story, I had taken a very large amount of pharmaceuticals that I shouldn't have taken and it damaged my body, damaged my heart and this guy's little device. So that's how I found out. I dug into it and I found I didn't know the story. I didn't know that this guy had created it. And then I stumbled upon the story of this woman. who was saved by Lord's water in Japan and she became Catholic. And she became a huge proponent of Christianity in Japan. In fact, she just finally passed away. This has been a very long story that's been going on for decades. And she just passed away like a year or two ago. And I recently, I didn't even know her story either. And I watched her story and it was absolutely phenomenal. And how this all relates to Lord's and water and even France, which is a source of the Lord's spring. Right.

43:43 Supposed to be an apparition of the Virgin Mary, if I remember right. So people pilgrim from all over the world for healing at this fountain. And see, that's the thing, Eric, right? They say it's the Virgin Mary, right? It was a woman made of light. And in the end, it's probably all the same thing, but we're all just trying to come up with words. We say it in different ways. Here's something that That you can be thinking about over the next year and report back to me next time and that is the relationship between a few different things You've talked about the sound that God in this council. We're making We've talked about music. You've talked about the a little bit about the frequency of sound I don't know if you use the term frequency or not and a lot of people tell me after their NDEs they relate to quantum physics, which a lot of that has to do with frequency and vibration and things like that. I've been trying to figure out how to put all of this together. So as soon as somebody can do that and tie it up in a little bow in one paragraph, I'm all ears. Well, I think I already can. This is what's interesting because this has been the culmination of what's been happening after my NDE is explaining what you just asked. So everything has a frequency. everything has a vibration. What's unique about this Lord's water is hydrogen. Hence the reason my name is the hydrogen man, right? Because hydrogen appears

45:15 to be the purest substance known to man. So full of energy. Personally, I think it relates. Maybe that's why the guy named it the Lord's, the device he made the Lord's Hydrofix, because Lord's France, that water, the apparition that appeared the Virgin Mary was like light. So if you look at the light of the world, which we call our sun, or the star in the sky that we call the sun, do you realize that that thing in the sky is basically made of hydrogen? It's all hydrogen. Hydrogen has this unique vibration and frequency to it. And hydrogen is basically within all things. There's a reason that it's the first thing on the periodic table. So literally you're filled with hydrogen. And now granted, there's usually hydrogen the problem with hydrogen is look at water water is technically two gases and i discovered that even the tree of life and all this stuff in scripture has to do with water because if you look at water water is two things and these two things are gases hydrogen is a gas and oxygen is a gas so right now you're breathing the average person is breathing in roughly 20 oxygen depending on where they're on the planet in our atmosphere.

46:34 So you have these two gases, but when they come together, they turn to water. And from water, this is where, when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus, for example, he said, you must be born again. And Nicodemus gets confused and he talks about going back into his mother. And if you think about it, when you were in your mother, you were in water, by the way, you know, her water breaks and we're all born of water the first time. But then he says you must be born again So now we're talking about doing it a second time and he talks about going into water He said, you know, you must be born of water is what he said remember and Spirit he said and spirit after that. Yeah, because he talks about two things He compares the water to flesh and he compares a spirit to the wind The wind is like a gas. We're breathing in the wind. We're breathing in the gas and so There's this correlation between all of it. And ultimately, hydrogen holds this vibration or frequency of life. Because without the sun in the sky, we have no life here on planet Earth.

47:41 We need that light. Without that light, even if we had all the water we wanted, it doesn't matter. You need the light of our world in order for there to be life. Ultimately, what we're discovering by working with these recent scientists I met, because I made a discovery. And some of my discoveries and some of the Japanese discoveries. And by the way, some of these guys are French, so they're from France. Of all places that these guys could have been from and how it relates back to Lourdes again, they know all about Lourdes. And the spiritual aspect of Lourdes is quite profound. If people pull up the pictures and the grotto, it's beautiful. And even more recently, I never had any intention or even wanting to go there. I actually felt a very strong pull like I'm supposed to go there. And I was like, oh, now I gotta take this trip all the way out over there. So that'll probably be later when the timing is right. But the vibration, the frequency that you spoke of, water responds to frequency and vibration perfectly, if you've ever noticed.

48:42 If you put a still cup of water in, you play, even if you talk in front of it, the water will pick up on that. And so vibration and frequency can hold emotion. That's why when, have you ever heard of someone meeting somebody and they say, I like your vibe? Like they like your vibration. They like your frequency. And when you're in a loving frequency or not such a loving frequency, and ultimately when the Japanese discover that water, and this is why I'm here in Japan too, because they discover that water appears to have memory. Are you aware of this? Don't think I've heard that one before but but I have seen some of these experiments and one of the ones I'm fascinated by And hold your thought is where they took water exposed it to what was it? Horrible music horrible negative hatred Kind of stuff and then froze it and you can actually see these patterns in it that are completely different Than water freezing exposed to all this good stuff Okay, finish what you're saying about memory and water. Well, that's literally exactly what I'm talking about. That work that you're speaking of comes from Japan. The man who discovered it was named Masaru Imoto. And he didn't just realize that water is affected by music. He also realized that water is affected by words, like if you just speak to it. He also discovered that the water was affected by thought thought itself just thinking to the water. There's a really

50:14 interesting experiment They did well that totally makes sense to me because water doesn't have ears So, you know why wouldn't thought be as strong as saying something and the emotional state and Even pictures so you could put a picture on you know the water and even you could even write a word so interestingly enough I mean, not to bring it up again, but the Lord's device that this guy made, he put the words on the device, obviously the Lord's device, you know, these holy waters. And so that's how the water appears to have this type of reflective aspect to it where it reflects back the words, the thoughts, which ultimately seems to be what humans do.

50:59 You know, we reflect back. That's why, what does the scripture say? As we do unto others, it's done unto you. There's like this reflexive aspect and we're obviously clearly made of water. Or the concept of karma, same thing. Same thing, different word, right? And this body of water that we inhabit, but we're creating sounds and frequencies, right? Through our, these vibrations in our vocal cords and how that relates again emotionally, how we can hurt others with our words. or how we can make people joyful with our words and all sorts of different things that we can do with these words. Now what we're beginning to realize is it appears that it's not just the water, Eric. It's the hydrogen within the water as the hydrogen is the majority of what makes up water anyway already. And so then that's taken things to another level. It's literally a technique that I use to try to find my way back out of my hellacious medical issues that I was dealing with. And the power of hydrogen, in fact, hydrogen's so powerful, have you ever heard, and I hate to use these words, but have you ever heard of the oxygen bomb? You've never heard of that, but you've heard of the hydrogen bomb. And the reason they use hydrogen, which anything with power can be used for good or evil. And so hydrogen has a massive amount of energy and power, hence the reason the sun that has massive amounts of energy. and how that relates to the human body and even our ability to produce hydrogen. So

52:33 that's another interesting one. We breathe in oxygen from the outside. You're breathing in 20 % oxygen. But hydrogen, you're actually producing it in your body. And what happens is as you age, it's one of the things that seems to be correlated with a lot of these health issues. Because the Japanese have discovered the magic of hydrogen and they're using it medically. So it's literally medically used here, but they don't medically use it in the US in hospitals. But in Japan, they're using it in roughly 30 university hospitals. I even got lucky to get in contact with another hydrogen physician in Japan and even a neurosurgeon.

53:13 And it's amazing the things that they can do with this magical gas that seems to be related to Lourdes and this apparition, the Virgin Mary and this being of light. And so it's funny how it all really comes together. It's interesting. And the fact that hydrogen can also be used as a fuel, completely clean burning fuel. And it's also a super volatile thing when it's all by itself, just hydrogen without the oxygen. It's a super volatile thing. We've got to wrap up and we went down this hydrogen rabbit hole that I didn't mean to. All I know is When I put myself in the ocean with h2o and salt and other Minerals of this world clean pure things. I feel healthier.

54:06 I feel better I could just spend all day doing that and come out feeling just You know, the old saying, feel like a new man. There's so much truth to that. There's so much healing that goes on with it. But I would like to get back to what the point of this whole podcast is about, which is NDEs, what we learned from them. And I want to give you the final thought here. And that is tell us why the things that you've learned and the things that others learn from these experiences should give us hope and should make us Feel some joy and some oh just feel good today in the in a world where that's not made for you to feel good every day I know I think the first thing I would say is one I learned for me that God is definitely real Any doubt that I had it was it was one of the things that I experienced on my NDE When I came back and we saw his hand and all these things I felt every little doubt in me, which I never felt before I felt it down into my bones into my like the bone marrow. I felt all my doubt leave and I feel very fortunate for that. You know, I feel very lucky because I know that the average person doesn't get to meet quote unquote God. And so I felt all my doubt go away and that's always been a sense of comfort for me. I feel that the scriptures are absolutely correct when it says God judges the heart because that's the other thing that I really learned is that he's going to look at your heart. He's not going to look at every little

55:38 mistake you made in life and judge you for that. As far as I saw this is Megan just my experience I saw that he really judges the heart and yeah, we make mistakes and we do all this stuff Learning those experiences that caused me to live my life a very different way and it's one of the reasons I completely operate in a very different way now and I always go into my heart and I always think about others You know a great deal as if they were me just the whole as you do unto others And so that changed a lot and then this whole experience and then falling in love with water even realizing how it affects children. You know, you mentioned minerals, by the way, and hydrogen appears to work in a very special way with minerals, which is interesting that you had brought that up. And I forgot to mention that. But but I learned a lot about how water affects children. And I hope I teach a lot about that on my YouTube channel.

56:27 People want to check it out because the name of it is called Uprising 144 K. I realized so much about the contaminants in our water. I didn't talk a lot about the messages that I received from the Almighty. about water, which is kind of odd. I didn't go into that one in great detail either. How the purity is such an important thing. I didn't realize that the impurities in water affect children the most. And it brings me to that Bible verse where Jesus kind of talks about how basically you really don't want to be harming kids. Children are so precious and we should really love them a great deal and be good stewards to them. And so that's something that's also become very big on my journey. So those are the positive things that have come out. I learned a lot. I never thought about water as being something that important. And it's interesting that on the other side, I quote unquote baptized in what looked like water, and you know the whole adage, as above so below. And then what did Jesus show with John the Baptist? They put us in water, just like it appeared to be on the other side.

57:28 And so this whole correlation between the other world and this world, the world of the flesh and the world of the spirit, and those are all the things that I took. you know, from the journey. And I hope to share with people in positive ways and hoping that, you know, whether it gives them hope or helps them find their way. And obviously, the big thing is medical issues in my journey. I learned so much that that's what I help people with now, too. You know, helping people as I've learned to help myself. And I feel like I got a lot of this knowledge from this NDE and this whole path. So I appreciate you allowing me to be able to share some of this, Eric, and I hope people really enjoyed it. I hope people can comment below and see what they get out of it. And yeah, only good things. You know, I like all the comments.

58:13 Even if people don't like something I say, I don't mind. Just, just let's come at it in a positive way. It's okay to express your feelings. That is just fine. All right. Wow. Great stuff. Deep stuff. Good talking to you again, Greg. Keep in touch. Likewise, Eric. Nice talking to you again. Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath .com. If you want to share your near -death experience or if you have questions or comments about the show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.