Marine Biologist Has 4 NDE's - "I Am Home"

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody.

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We've got a great guest today, Ingrid Honkala.

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No, Honkala. Is that better? Honkala. Honkala,

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okay. And I'm going to add the PhD on the end

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because you deserve some credit for that. So

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anyway, welcome to the show. This is going to

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be really interesting today. as we talk about

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your near -death experiences, plural, and especially

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all the things that you've learned from them.

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That's really what it's all about and what we're

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all here to do is to learn and grow. Before we

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jump into it, I'm going to give you one minute

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to tell a little bit about yourself so we can

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get to know you. So Ingrid, take it away. Thank

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you so much, Eric. Thank you for having me here

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with you, with your audience. Well, Ingrid, I

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am a person that, from a very, very young age,

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started to feel fascination for, like, knowing

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who we are. Because, yeah, my first near -death

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experience happened when I was very, very young.

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But life brought me to be an explorer, an explorer

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of life, an explorer of the unknown. And I decided

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to take the path of science. the path of trying

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to understand things from the place of being

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not just a person wanting to know a spirit, but

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a person wanting to know how everything worked,

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where everything came from, what was the dynamics

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of it. My curiosity was such an intensity of

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me wanting to figure out and understand things.

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So yeah, I became a scientist. And I became a

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marine scientist, something that shocked people

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because they said to me, how could you have become

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a marine scientist if you drown? And he said

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he wouldn't say because drowning brought me to

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see the light. For me, life had been a combination

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of the outer and the inner. All right, well.

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I'm glad you segued right into the beginning

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here, because I think we'll go chronologically.

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We'll start with your very first experience.

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And you were very young. You're only three years

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old. And one of the questions I want you to answer,

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because some people are going to have is, well,

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how do you remember something from when you were

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that young? But first, just tell us what happened.

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What was going on? I grew up in Bogota, Colombia.

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My parents work. They will leave us at the care

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of a maid. wouldn't pay attention to what we

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were doing when they were not at home. One day

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they left, my oldest sister, she was almost four,

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I was almost three. The two of us decided, let's

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go play in the patio. We phone a ball. And in

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the patio, there was a tank, a deep tank where

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we supposed not to play because we didn't know

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how to swim. But guess what, Eric, when they

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tell you not to do something, that's good. That's

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where you want to go. And then it was fun. We

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climbed the walls of the tank and she threw the

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ball. The idea was to play cash across the tank.

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And then she threw a ball, didn't apply enough

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force. I thought I can grab the ball and I leaned

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forward to try to grab it. It rolled. I lost

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my balance and I fell in the tank. How deep?

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Something you couldn't stand up in? No, I couldn't.

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It was about 900 gallons of water. It was very

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deep. More than wide, it was deep. And it was

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just to store water and use that water back in

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the day for washing clothes. So I have never

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been in a pool. We didn't have a bathtub. So

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I didn't know that if you fall in the water,

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you drown. And this is the other thing, I was

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born high up in the Andes, so the water in that

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tank was frigid cold. It was early in the morning,

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so that water probably was about, I don't know,

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maybe 40, 30, 40 degrees Fahrenheit. So when

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the first shock, more than anything, was the

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frigid water. Just right there, I felt that my

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breath was taken away. And then it was the horror.

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the horror of why I cannot breathe. And right

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there, right at the back area, when people ask

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me, how can you remember? And I said, how can

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I forget if drowning is a horrifying experience?

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Imagine breathing, breathing is life. And you're

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trying to just fight for that air. And I'm in

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that moment of terror. And now how can I even

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forget what happened next? All these after that

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is, I like to name it because it's contrast after

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contrast after contrast. And the first contrast

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was going from that horror to peace, serenity,

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calmness. I didn't know what happened, Eric.

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I just knew that now I didn't need to breathe.

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I didn't need to go out of the tank. I didn't

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need to go anywhere. And it fell in... incredibly

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amazing, the good. The next thing is that I was

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hearing my heart beating so hard in my chest.

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In that moment of horror, boom, boom, boom, boom.

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And the other contrast was so extreme because

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it went from all that noise in the head to silence.

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and I experienced what I call the silence behind

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the silence. It was so profound, so peaceful,

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so good that even after the experience I craved

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that silence and I craved it for the rest of

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my life. I would hide into closets under the

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bed, under the sheets, because I wanted that

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silence back. And I thought that that silence

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was like an outer silence, and it took me many

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years to understand that that was not something

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of the outer, but the inner. Now it comes the

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next contrast, and it was that the tank was a

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very dark space. It had a roof, it was early

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in the morning, and the last thing I saw when

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I drowned was darkness. And then... After that

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peace, that silence, that light. Now light is

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coming like from below and this light is able

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to illuminate the whole watery surrounding. And

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then imagine it's the sense like now there is

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light. And then I started to see bubbles. And

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there was bubbles surrounded by light. And then

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imagine with the childlike spirit, I'm like,

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oh, bubbles. and I started to chase the bubbles

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and it was when I was chasing the bubbles that

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I turned around and I saw my body and my body

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was there floating in the water and this is the

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thing I did not feel scared I didn't even feel

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shocked it was just that oh that's my body and

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it feels the sense of familiarity like oh yeah

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that's my body and I have to tell you that the

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only thing that truly shocked me and that never

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went away from my mind was that the eyes were

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open and the eyes were like staring like nowhere.

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You know how we say that the eyes are the mirror

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of the soul? These eyes felt like empty. Like

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if I was looking just like a costume and there

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was nothing, nothing there. And then it came

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the next contrast. I was born as a very sick

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child. I was born with respiratory problems and

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for almost those three years of life, I didn't

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know anything else than being sick. I didn't

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know how it felt to be otherwise. And when I

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am in this state of complete well -being, I look

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at that body and I'm like, I'm not going back

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there. And I made the conscious decision, I'm

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not going back into that body. And I turned around

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and I left the body behind. The moment I turn

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around, I started to see flowers. Flowers were

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blooming from nowhere. So now I'm like, wow,

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I'm mesmerized by these flowers. And then suddenly

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the flowers pick me up. So imagine even that

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sense of dimension, because who knows how big

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these flowers were. They pick me up, and now

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I am just floating in the flowers. And I'm being

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carried in a forward direction, and I'm just

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resting there. when in just a flash like that,

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I appeared floating above the maid. And I was

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in the room where she was listening to soap operas

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in the radio. And look, Eric, this is so sharp,

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so clear in my mind that I can even remember

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the soap opera she was listening in the radio.

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If you ask a three -year -old, a two -year -old,

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oh what mom was listening or what a friend was

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listening in the radio when you were two years

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old, you think we're going to remember? I don't.

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But that I do. And years later I shared the information

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with my mom, with my family, and we were able

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to verify that that soap opera was playing during

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those days when I drowned. Wow. Do you remember

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specifically ever. And maybe you're getting to

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this. I'm sorry if I'm jumping ahead. Was there

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ever a time when you were given a choice? Do

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you want to go back or not? I mean, you've already

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made up your mind. You're going to stay and not

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go back to that body. Yes. And oh, and that,

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that will be later, not even in this experience,

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but later in my life. And in one of my, actually

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in my last near the experience, I was given the

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choice, but in the first one, neither the second

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one I was given the choice. I make at that moment

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my choice of like, I'm not going back. But it's

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clear that my soul had a different purpose and

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that I was going to come back. And you know,

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now that I am mentioning the mate and what I'm

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about to mention after the mate is clear that

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the decision was, I was coming back or I would

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not have gone and looked for help. So this is

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incredible. Although my mind said, I'm not going

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back. My soul is, oh, no, you're coming back.

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So I went to look for help. When I went to the

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maid's room, I even pronounced her name. I said,

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Maria. That's Maria. But nothing happened. And

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in another blink, I appear floating above my

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mom. And then My mom, I have to tell you a little

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bit of backstory right there, a little bit. My

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mom had just got a new job. What is the sense

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when you've gotten a new job? Urgency. You're

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nervous. You're preparing for this new job. That's

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all you have in the mind. The mom and I appear

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floating above her and I said, oh, that's mom.

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She stopped. Look at the difference with the

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maid. She stopped. And she knew something is

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happening at home with one of my babies. And

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that's when I had to bring the clarity of, look

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what love does. Look what the connection of unconditional

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love is doing here. Because when I went to meet

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the maid, there was really no connection with

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this person. So there was like nothing happened

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there. And my mom, who was blocks away from the

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place of the accident, at that moment knew and

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I have to say two things about her she had an

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amazing intuition and second she listened to

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that intuition and Eric she started to run back

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home and then I'm looking at her I wonder why

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mom is running at that moment at the end of the

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street I get distracted because I see a dog and

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I love animals the moment I feel the desire to

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be with the dog I am with the dog And just like,

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whoa. And then I saw a park, and I felt the desire

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to be in the park. I am in the park. And now

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I'm like, well, this is fun. And I started to

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play a game of going places. And while playing

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this game in another flash, I appear in a realm.

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And it was a realm that was made of pure, intense,

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shiny white light. That was the first time that

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I felt I am home. I am home. Although I had seen

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my body, although all these things had happened

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prior this moment, I have really never asked

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who I was or wondered anything about me. You

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know, like I just was in the motion of being

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in the present having fun when I realized, whoa,

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I am not that. I am not that body. And it's when

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I realized myself as a being of light. And I

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started to feel the sense of connection, losing

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that sense of just individuality and started

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to feel connected with everything. And this is

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the part where people ask me, like when I was

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saying I saw flowers or I turned around and I

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did this and that, and how could you do that

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if you didn't have a body? And I said, that's

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amazing how when we... identify with the idea

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of a body, we still think we are that. So up

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to that moment, I did not even know what I was.

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I never asked anything until I had this realization.

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And although I started to dissolve, I was still

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feeling the sense of self. But even that dissolve,

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I experienced what I describe or what I can understand

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or what I felt as nothing. Some people call it

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emptiness, some people call it non -self. And,

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you know, I could just tell you, Eric, that from

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all the experience, this is the part that probably

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is the most difficult to explain because I don't

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really think there's words to describe what I

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was experiencing at this point. But after many,

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many, many, many years of trying to use the way

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to explain what cannot be explained. I arrived

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to an analogy. People don't like to hear the

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word nothingness. That's kind of scary. But imagine

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that there is a huge stadium. And in the middle

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of the stadium, there's a little tiny box. And

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all I thought I was was that box. And suddenly

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the box opens up. and I said that is nothing

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because it's nothing that I thought I was, but

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at the same time is everything, is totality,

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is a sense of expansion. I just can say if I

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can find words to describe this state will be

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the state of pure potentiality, state of pure

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presence and absolute consciousness. is being

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described in many philosophies. It could be a

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state if I could just mention an emotion, what

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some call nirvana or some call joy or just pure

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bliss. And when I am in this state, my mom finally

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arrived home and Eric, she knew exactly where

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to go. And she directed herself to the back of

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the house. She didn't waste time in any place

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and anywhere she went there. And my oldest sister,

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was trying to help me out. She didn't go say

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anything to the maid because we didn't supposed

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to play in this tank. So she looked at my mom

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and she said, Mom, Ingrid is there and I cannot

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get her. Came an incredible synchronicity. My

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mom worked with children and she had been trained

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to do CPR for children. My mom got me out. She

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just said that I would like a raggedy doll, no

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pulse, no breathing. completely pale blue lips

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and then she started to just do everything she

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knew and I was so disconnected from this reality

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that I didn't feel anything nothing at all and

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here comes the answer to your question nobody

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asked me anything I said that I was pushed because

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I felt like I had jumped from the tallest building

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in the world and there's nothing I could do to

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stop it, but I resisted. I was like, no! And

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I'm being like sucked, like pulled back. And

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then I knew I was back in the body when imagine

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the sense of the expansive state of being back

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to the little box. Like whoop! And I am like

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feeling the sense of coldness and again the sense

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of the illness, the sense of that lack of freedom

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and oh I was so angry. I was so angry Eric and

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I did not want to be here. That mother's love

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is so powerful, isn't it? She was more powerful

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with that love bringing you back than you were

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wanting to stay, sounds like. Yes, oh yeah, I

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didn't. think at all that I was going to come

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back. That is so much for a three -year -old

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to process. I assume you couldn't process at

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all at that point. Did it just sort of happen

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over the years that you were able to, you know,

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not only remember these things, but you were

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talking about some very mature kind of feelings

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and topics here? Yes, it was very hard, very

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hard, especially now that you're mentioning that.

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I came back with an awareness that I didn't have

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before. It was clear. You might say, oh, but

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she was just a little one. There was a before

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and after. I came back and I experienced my parents

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as like, I didn't feel them just like my parents.

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I have experienced a state of oneness. I felt

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them as my equal. And I became very rebellious.

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Why do I have to listen to these people? I also

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came back with awareness. I am not a child. I'm

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not a child. And I never felt like a child again.

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I look at other children and I was, what is happening

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to these people? They don't know anything. And

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I could not relate with them, even with many

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adults. It was so hard, Eric, to prove that actually

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this girl came with something that was different

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besides my attitude, besides what I was experiencing

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was that I am like, you know, I'm just about

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to be three years old. And now they started to

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see pretty quick how I was developing in an incredible

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fast rate, like I could read, I could write,

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I could develop mathematical problems, I could

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put together complex puzzles, I had a more complex

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language. Where all this came from? And then

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it was so fast that I even started to school

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early in my life and I learned so fast that In

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my mind, it was the clarity. I'm not learning

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anything. I'm just remembering and just remembering.

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So it was very hard. It was moments where I stopped

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eating. I didn't even want to be touched. I didn't

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want to be here, period. And people ask me, but

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you should be grateful your mom brought you back.

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I mean, I was so little. You don't even have

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these concepts of being grateful or not or nothing.

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that you are a child and they take you to the

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00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:09.000
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I didn't want to be here and I could not fit

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in. I felt like I was like an alien. It was very

00:22:48.170 --> 00:22:51.230
hard and imagine like you mentioned I was so

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little I didn't have the language. to express

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what was happening. And there was not just the

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barrier of the language. But back then, early

00:23:00.950 --> 00:23:05.269
70s, nobody knew anything where I was about near

00:23:05.269 --> 00:23:07.250
-death experience. And nobody knew anything about

00:23:07.250 --> 00:23:10.630
this. So it even made it harder, thankfully.

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For me, it didn't end there. Right after my near

00:23:14.730 --> 00:23:18.599
-death experience, I... continue having experiences

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like what I call a or what is known today as

00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:27.099
our body experiences which I understand clearly

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just as shifts in a state of consciousness where

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I kept accessing that realm of the light and

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in these journeys I started to communicate with

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described by back then as beings of light. And

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that connection was the one that made things

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possible for me. Say that the possibility that

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I was able to calm down and continue my life

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with more, let's say with the possibility to

00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:03.859
adapt better just because of this connection.

00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:08.039
So yeah, it wasn't easy. And yeah, it took many,

00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.859
many, many years, Eric, to integrate the experiences.

00:24:12.740 --> 00:24:16.039
Because after that came all these other spiritual

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experiences and a second ND and to understand

00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:24.460
what was happening and from where all this was

00:24:24.460 --> 00:24:28.359
coming from. So I think it probably, it wasn't

00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:33.359
until my late 40s that I had what I call a big

00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:36.079
awakening. We're going to come back to that if

00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.160
we have time. One of the things that really stood

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out to me, and I know it didn't seem like a big

00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.220
deal. But it's unusual and that is how much you

00:24:45.220 --> 00:24:48.900
craved silence after this Especially as a child.

00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:51.220
That's an unusual thing I think it's really cool

00:24:51.220 --> 00:24:53.779
and really interesting and you don't have to

00:24:53.779 --> 00:24:56.059
have any more answers than that I just am kind

00:24:56.059 --> 00:24:59.940
of pondering on that interesting fact All right

00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:02.680
that that's amazing and in all of these experiences

00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:06.200
change people Even a three -year -old can be

00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.369
changed and you were changed in some big ways

00:25:09.369 --> 00:25:12.490
and different than the other kids in some very

00:25:12.490 --> 00:25:15.809
big ways. All right. Let's fast forward. Let's

00:25:15.809 --> 00:25:19.269
go to when you were 24 years old, when you had

00:25:19.269 --> 00:25:22.390
experience number two, and there's a great big

00:25:22.390 --> 00:25:26.950
gap between these, but let's talk about the next

00:25:26.950 --> 00:25:29.670
NDE and then we'll see if we need to make some

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:32.940
kind of connection between the two. Yes. Perfect.

00:25:33.220 --> 00:25:36.640
Yeah, by then I was already working as a marine

00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.759
biologist. I was living in an island in the Caribbean

00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:44.920
and I got my first motorcycle and I was nervous

00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.539
and happy to have it and a friend asked me to

00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:51.079
bring him to his house in the mountains. I was

00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:54.859
very nervous too. driving the mountains and look

00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:58.440
what fear does. The fear of not knowing what

00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.839
you're doing. I was, I guess, in a moment of

00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:04.380
blinding fear that I don't even know what happened.

00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:07.859
The moment we were going up the hill and I had

00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:10.579
a friend sitting, the friend that wanted me to

00:26:10.579 --> 00:26:12.559
bring him to his house, he was sitting at the

00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.420
back, that I lost my balance. I don't know what

00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:19.140
happened, but the bike fell. And it just, when

00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:22.119
he was asking for changing gears, something happened,

00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:24.980
the bike fell. And I know that the next thing

00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:27.380
I know, I'm standing in the middle of the road

00:26:27.380 --> 00:26:32.180
and I'm in the presence of the light. And the

00:26:32.180 --> 00:26:35.640
light is shining so bright. And you know, the

00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:41.769
most amazing thing was again, going back. from

00:26:41.769 --> 00:26:44.970
fear. Look, in the first one was drowning, in

00:26:44.970 --> 00:26:49.609
this one was the bye to peace and calmness. That's

00:26:49.609 --> 00:26:54.029
the thing that I would just say maybe shocked

00:26:54.029 --> 00:26:57.829
me the most or I can keep in my mind as the most

00:26:57.829 --> 00:27:03.089
clear thing the lack of fear. None of that was

00:27:03.089 --> 00:27:06.730
there, no negative emotion, only again, peace

00:27:06.730 --> 00:27:10.369
and quiet and stillness and calmness. And again,

00:27:10.529 --> 00:27:15.109
the sense of like, I'm ready to go home. And

00:27:15.109 --> 00:27:18.769
I was completely ready when I was picked at the

00:27:18.769 --> 00:27:21.809
scene of the accident. That's when the fear came

00:27:21.809 --> 00:27:25.210
back because somebody touched my body and I just

00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:29.329
wonder why I cannot feel, why I cannot see this

00:27:29.329 --> 00:27:31.680
person that is. someone is touching me and I

00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:35.019
cannot see this person. And I touched my face

00:27:35.019 --> 00:27:39.039
and I realized that I could not see my physical

00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:43.579
eyes. I had a very, very bad head trauma and

00:27:43.579 --> 00:27:47.299
I had lost my vision. I was taken to the hospital.

00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:50.289
At the hospital, just inflammation started to

00:27:50.289 --> 00:27:53.470
go down and I started to recover my vision. But

00:27:53.470 --> 00:27:56.490
right there with the doctor and my friend in

00:27:56.490 --> 00:27:59.589
the recovery room, the doctor said that I had

00:27:59.589 --> 00:28:03.470
to lose my vision when I fell the moment my head

00:28:03.470 --> 00:28:06.130
hit the ground because I didn't have a helmet.

00:28:06.569 --> 00:28:10.569
Oh, my God. Crazy girl. And then I said, I don't

00:28:10.569 --> 00:28:13.769
think so, because I was standing in the middle

00:28:13.769 --> 00:28:17.839
of the road and I was seeing light. I thought,

00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.579
yeah, I'm seeing. And then my friend said, no,

00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:24.559
Ingrid, it's not possible because it was at night

00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:29.460
and the road was pitch black. There was not street

00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:32.460
lights. You could not have seen any light. And

00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:36.259
he said, by the way, you never stood up. So it's

00:28:36.259 --> 00:28:40.460
when I realized... I get it. I didn't see the

00:28:40.460 --> 00:28:43.000
light with the eyes of my physical body. Look,

00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.339
the physical eyes were not even there. I was

00:28:45.339 --> 00:28:49.220
seeing with the eyes of my soul. So it was that

00:28:49.220 --> 00:28:51.859
clarity of light. It's when I started to understand

00:28:51.859 --> 00:28:55.359
with more clarity about the inner senses, what

00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.299
I call the senses of the soul. And then this

00:28:58.299 --> 00:29:01.440
is the other thing. This experience was so key

00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.400
later in my life when people ask me if their

00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:08.420
loved ones suffer. when they die in accidents

00:29:08.420 --> 00:29:11.059
that are terrible accidents like this. And I

00:29:11.059 --> 00:29:16.140
said, no, no, there's no physical pain. Emotional

00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:19.400
pain might be different, but physical pain? I

00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:21.779
said, the pain belongs to the nervous system.

00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:25.640
The moment that you're out of the body, no pain.

00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:31.339
Even before the bike fell, I was already out.

00:29:31.579 --> 00:29:36.599
I never felt any pain whatsoever. So it was that

00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.819
reassuring sense of like, yeah, there's no physical

00:29:39.819 --> 00:29:42.740
pain. And the other incredible thing that I experienced

00:29:42.740 --> 00:29:46.579
there was when I came back in the body, the connection

00:29:46.579 --> 00:29:50.700
between the soul and the nervous system, like

00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:53.559
almost like a spark. I don't know how to explain

00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.700
this. Imagine that you have a toaster and without

00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:59.099
being plugged to the electricity, it cannot do

00:29:59.099 --> 00:30:01.900
anything. And the moment you plug it, you hear

00:30:01.900 --> 00:30:06.240
the spark of connection with. the electricity

00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.759
and now it has a function. So I experienced that

00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:15.000
how we came here to experience through all these

00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.180
bodies, through all these senses, through these

00:30:17.180 --> 00:30:21.440
nervous systems. So it was incredible. And at

00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.539
that moment I have become a little bit busy with

00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:27.799
my career, a little bit out of focus from all

00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:29.940
this spiritual thing. And it was kind of like,

00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:32.279
oh, no, no, no, no, no, you need to come back.

00:30:32.380 --> 00:30:35.500
You need to come back to alignment. Go back and

00:30:35.500 --> 00:30:38.680
look within to brought me back to that silence

00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:43.819
again. Okay. Wow. It's beautiful stuff. I want

00:30:43.819 --> 00:30:46.799
to go ahead and jump up to, to the latest experience.

00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:50.819
There was another one in between that, that you

00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:53.500
were telling me earlier, you don't really remember

00:30:53.500 --> 00:30:57.180
very much of. So let's jump to an experience

00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:01.519
just what three years ago? Yes. Three years ago,

00:31:01.819 --> 00:31:06.710
I, uh, I was. I was diagnosed with, what is the

00:31:06.710 --> 00:31:10.470
name of this? I had very severe inflammation.

00:31:11.029 --> 00:31:13.309
Eric, I cannot even remember the name of this

00:31:13.309 --> 00:31:16.789
condition, but I needed surgery. At that moment,

00:31:16.829 --> 00:31:20.630
I was avoiding surgery because I just thought

00:31:20.630 --> 00:31:24.250
I could heal with just traditional things or

00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:28.369
just medicine. I was just thinking, I don't need

00:31:28.369 --> 00:31:32.529
this surgery. I decided just to walk away from

00:31:32.529 --> 00:31:37.210
that. And one night I went to sleep and I was

00:31:37.210 --> 00:31:42.210
feeling the sense of dread, the feeling of deep

00:31:42.210 --> 00:31:44.329
anguish, the feeling of, I don't know what is

00:31:44.329 --> 00:31:47.410
happening. And I am a very empathic person. So

00:31:47.410 --> 00:31:51.029
I just thought maybe I'm feeling somebody else's

00:31:51.029 --> 00:31:53.829
stress or somebody else's feelings. And every

00:31:53.829 --> 00:31:56.430
time I mentioned these, these feelings go away.

00:31:56.589 --> 00:32:00.269
That moment, I kept feeling so worried. I went

00:32:00.269 --> 00:32:03.349
to sleep. I just slept for a couple of hours,

00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:06.150
woke up again. And the worry was such that I

00:32:06.150 --> 00:32:09.089
felt that I had tachycardia when I woke up. I

00:32:09.089 --> 00:32:13.390
went into deep, like a state of breathing, calmness.

00:32:13.410 --> 00:32:16.589
I already practiced all these different techniques.

00:32:17.130 --> 00:32:20.430
And then it's when I heard the words, do you

00:32:20.430 --> 00:32:24.210
trust me? And when I heard the words, do you

00:32:24.210 --> 00:32:27.759
trust me? I wanted to peace the moment I say,

00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:32.380
I do. Yes, I do. And then the rest of the night

00:32:32.380 --> 00:32:35.299
I was in a state of deep, deep, deep connection.

00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.180
And I even heard the words that said, you are

00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:42.319
in sync with God. Next day, I got up and I was

00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.460
in that state of deep, deep, deep connection.

00:32:46.220 --> 00:32:50.420
And now remembering these words, five days after

00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:54.420
this experience, I was in a horrendous car accident.

00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:59.000
And in the car accident, the seat belt pressure

00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.720
so hard, my chest and my abdomen, the surgery

00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.960
that I didn't want to have had to happen. Pretty

00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.420
much life was pushing me to have the surgery.

00:33:09.619 --> 00:33:12.940
I guess it was to have the experience I was about

00:33:12.940 --> 00:33:17.359
to happen. Prior to the surgery, I told the doctor

00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.299
that something was going to happen. I already

00:33:20.299 --> 00:33:23.500
knew, Eric, I had. the knowing. I said, something

00:33:23.500 --> 00:33:26.539
is going to happen with my blood pressure. And

00:33:26.539 --> 00:33:29.460
I told the doctor repeatedly, something you have

00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:32.880
to monitor my blood pressure. And then she called

00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.140
anesthesiologist and everything because I was

00:33:35.140 --> 00:33:39.059
so adamant. And then she listened to what I had

00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:41.460
to say. And during the surgery, they were just

00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:44.660
their check -ins when my blood pressure went

00:33:44.660 --> 00:33:48.019
to the ground and I went into hypothermia. And

00:33:48.019 --> 00:33:51.980
the moment this happened, I immediately went

00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:55.220
to the light. I just have to say, and I don't

00:33:55.220 --> 00:33:58.039
know if you hear it from other, near -their -experiencers,

00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:01.039
it was like, cut with the chase. You don't have

00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:03.799
to go experience any other thing, so go here

00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:08.039
to see that, go directly to the light. And now

00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.340
I'm answering a question you asked me at the

00:34:10.340 --> 00:34:14.659
beginning. If I ever heard, it's not your time,

00:34:14.780 --> 00:34:17.739
or if I was given a choice, this is the first

00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:23.699
time. that I heard if I wanted to stay or I wanted

00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:27.699
to come back. And when I heard if I wanted to

00:34:27.699 --> 00:34:32.340
stay, wow, my first answer was, of course I want

00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:36.380
to stay. Since my very first near -death experience,

00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:40.300
I always wanted to go back home. I was homesick

00:34:40.300 --> 00:34:43.599
all my life. And that's why this experience was

00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:48.769
so important, Eric. It closed a cycle. of depression

00:34:48.769 --> 00:34:53.429
I had had all my life because I always felt I

00:34:53.429 --> 00:34:57.030
want to go back home. And I felt kind of bad

00:34:57.030 --> 00:35:00.110
to tell the story to my family because I felt

00:35:00.110 --> 00:35:03.269
so detached. And this is beautiful because the

00:35:03.269 --> 00:35:05.750
detachment is no lack of love. The detachment

00:35:05.750 --> 00:35:09.110
is because you are in complete connection with

00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:12.349
everything and everyone. So when I am there,

00:35:12.409 --> 00:35:15.949
I'm like knowing that God's plan is perfect.

00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:18.860
And there's nothing I have to change or fix.

00:35:19.219 --> 00:35:22.960
And then I heard, oh, you want to go back. And

00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.260
at that moment I say, wait a minute, is this

00:35:26.260 --> 00:35:32.360
a test? Because if God is everywhere and absolutely

00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.900
everything is a manifestation of consciousness.

00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:41.659
So what is here and what is there? I said, oh,

00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.820
I get it. There is no here and there is not there.

00:35:46.219 --> 00:35:50.539
There is only consciousness. Where I am in my

00:35:50.539 --> 00:35:53.639
state of consciousness. And it's when I realize

00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:59.019
I get it. Home is not a place. It's a state of

00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:02.579
being. And then the only thing that crossed my

00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:08.139
mind was to say, keep me where I can serve God

00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:12.369
the most. And the moment I said those words,

00:36:12.690 --> 00:36:15.250
give me where I can serve you the most. I started

00:36:15.250 --> 00:36:18.369
to feel the sense of how detached I was now.

00:36:18.570 --> 00:36:21.469
I was like, oh, my son, my husband, my family,

00:36:21.550 --> 00:36:24.309
my purpose. I needed something that anchored

00:36:24.309 --> 00:36:28.869
me back. And all that pulled me back here. And

00:36:28.869 --> 00:36:32.969
it's when I realized, Eric, I get it. It's not

00:36:32.969 --> 00:36:38.599
about near dead. It's about near life. how I

00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.739
can live my life to the fullest, how I can use

00:36:42.739 --> 00:36:46.960
the whole of everything to remember who I am

00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.840
truly and continue just living a life in presence

00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.239
and love and connection. And yeah, in challenge

00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.800
too, by understanding that all these challenges

00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:00.460
are for my own growth and evolution. So now that

00:37:00.460 --> 00:37:02.960
you've had that side of the experience where

00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.599
it was more of your choice and you realized the

00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.320
whys behind it, Do you still feel that longing,

00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:12.920
that homesickness that you had before? No, it

00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.000
completely closed that cycle. It was the absolute

00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.860
clarity. And you know, I even had a vision of

00:37:18.860 --> 00:37:21.719
say that you're sitting here and you put in yourself

00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:26.159
some virtual reality goggles and you put the

00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.679
goggles and you just go up and down and here

00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.500
and there. And you feel that you've been experiencing

00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:33.920
all these and you remove the goggles and you

00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:38.349
realize I never went anywhere. I've always have

00:37:38.349 --> 00:37:42.329
been here. I've always have been home. I just

00:37:42.329 --> 00:37:45.110
thought that I was going somewhere else, doing

00:37:45.110 --> 00:37:48.309
this, being there. And now my connection with

00:37:48.309 --> 00:37:52.429
the divine, my connection with spirit, my wholeness,

00:37:53.590 --> 00:37:57.230
my expanded state of being is in me. I am the

00:37:57.230 --> 00:38:00.389
whole of it. So I don't have to go anywhere and

00:38:00.389 --> 00:38:03.269
I can even feel this now. I don't need to be

00:38:03.269 --> 00:38:06.289
here or there to feel that I belong. I belong

00:38:06.289 --> 00:38:10.170
because I am the scent. How much fear of death

00:38:10.170 --> 00:38:15.010
do you have now? Zero. Zero, Eric. And you know,

00:38:15.170 --> 00:38:18.269
you can even ask me and it happened since I was

00:38:18.269 --> 00:38:21.670
little, not even with the very first near that

00:38:21.670 --> 00:38:25.320
experience. And one thing is to know And one

00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.079
thing is to believe that you don't. And I had

00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.900
the possibility to experience firsthand that

00:38:31.900 --> 00:38:34.920
what I was feeling was real because I have had

00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.059
experiences in which for other reasons, I faced

00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:42.599
situations of deep, deep danger, deep danger

00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.380
where my life was like about to be taken once

00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:50.219
I was almost raped and murdered. And the moment

00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:53.760
that I remember who I truly was and the moment

00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.500
I was in a beach area, I turned my head and I

00:38:57.500 --> 00:39:01.679
said, today's a good day to die. And I was in

00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.300
this space of complete presence and I knew you

00:39:05.300 --> 00:39:07.920
can kill or you can destroy this body all you

00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.860
want, but you cannot destroy me. Well, there's

00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:13.519
something we don't hear every day. It's a good

00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:18.320
day to die. That's really different. Now, when

00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:22.179
you were a child, were you also lacking that

00:39:22.179 --> 00:39:26.099
fear of death? Yes, to the point that my parents

00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:28.539
had to keep an eye on me because I didn't fear

00:39:28.539 --> 00:39:31.219
anything. And that brought me to have actually

00:39:31.219 --> 00:39:33.800
the possibility to do so many things, travel

00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.239
the world. I've been in 65 countries of the world,

00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.039
be here and there, do extreme things, sports,

00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:43.320
anything, because I never had this incredible

00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:46.260
house to live alive. without the fear of that

00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:49.920
you're more daring. You're able to do just many

00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.599
things because you know really you are an eternal

00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:57.659
being that doesn't really exist. So I always

00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:01.739
knew you can take this body but you cannot destroy

00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:05.239
who I am. Yeah I like that a lot. Do you have

00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.260
any advice for parents out there who maybe have

00:40:09.260 --> 00:40:11.599
a child that has been through an experience like

00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:15.690
this? Your child is now different. Okay, parent,

00:40:15.769 --> 00:40:19.969
mom or dad, how do I not only deal with this,

00:40:20.010 --> 00:40:23.510
but best nurture this child after what they've

00:40:23.510 --> 00:40:26.710
been through? It's very important. And I have

00:40:26.710 --> 00:40:29.590
had the possibility to talk to parents and to

00:40:29.590 --> 00:40:32.909
talk to children. And incredibly, I met like

00:40:32.909 --> 00:40:35.849
in my experience, the children were nervous.

00:40:35.849 --> 00:40:38.369
They didn't want to talk. They were scared because

00:40:38.369 --> 00:40:42.050
what is that? You need validation. The most important

00:40:42.050 --> 00:40:45.449
thing, just listen. listen to what they have

00:40:45.449 --> 00:40:47.690
to say. I think for me, in my own experience,

00:40:47.929 --> 00:40:50.650
my mom became the greatest thing. My mom was

00:40:50.650 --> 00:40:54.010
the first person validating what I was seeing

00:40:54.010 --> 00:40:58.030
and I was experiencing was something she had

00:40:58.030 --> 00:41:00.570
to listen to. She had to connect with me there.

00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:03.989
And after that, my grandmother, she became my

00:41:03.989 --> 00:41:07.130
spiritual teacher. So I think the most important

00:41:07.130 --> 00:41:11.630
thing is to listen. to don't go on and just right

00:41:11.630 --> 00:41:14.170
off the bat denying what they're saying or you're

00:41:14.170 --> 00:41:16.889
seeing things or you're crazy or whatever, because

00:41:16.889 --> 00:41:20.630
that immediately is going to cause a sense of

00:41:20.630 --> 00:41:23.750
pain and suffering and is when things are going

00:41:23.750 --> 00:41:27.050
to go very, very wrong for the child. But the

00:41:27.050 --> 00:41:29.489
moment that you feel that you're being listened

00:41:29.489 --> 00:41:33.550
just by, you know, the power of listening has

00:41:33.550 --> 00:41:37.250
so much healing. in it so just listen with an

00:41:37.250 --> 00:41:40.190
open mind and an open heart that's already the

00:41:40.190 --> 00:41:43.190
route of healing. Last thing that I wanted to

00:41:43.190 --> 00:41:46.730
get into for a minute is as someone who grew

00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:50.590
up with these spiritual type experiences and

00:41:50.590 --> 00:41:53.949
then you became a scientist and we tend to think

00:41:53.949 --> 00:41:56.550
that those things are at odds with each other

00:41:56.550 --> 00:42:00.449
that there's no congruency. How did you balance

00:42:00.449 --> 00:42:03.590
all of that in your own mind? Well, you know,

00:42:03.889 --> 00:42:07.429
and right before going to that answer, just because

00:42:07.429 --> 00:42:11.389
we're going to talk about science, I would also

00:42:11.389 --> 00:42:15.449
tell the parents to be informed, to be informed,

00:42:15.590 --> 00:42:19.250
to study, to learn what is happening, not just

00:42:19.250 --> 00:42:21.829
be reactive and I don't understand what it is,

00:42:21.969 --> 00:42:25.530
just study, learn. Nowadays, there are many things

00:42:25.530 --> 00:42:28.590
that are available for everybody to be able to

00:42:28.590 --> 00:42:33.219
understand things deeper. And yeah, my path of

00:42:33.219 --> 00:42:36.579
science is that this is so interesting because,

00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.739
you know, for me, I would just say that science

00:42:40.739 --> 00:42:44.300
and spirituality, people feel the sense that

00:42:44.300 --> 00:42:46.079
they are the world, that they are divided. And

00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.239
I say the separation is in the mind. Because

00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.000
the most important thing is also to refrain the

00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.199
idea of what is to be spiritual. To be spiritual

00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:00.440
is to remember. your authentic self to go back

00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.639
to the root of who you are and to be able to

00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.079
go back and explore and see and remember who

00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.019
you are. You have to be an observer. You have

00:43:12.019 --> 00:43:15.159
to be curious. You have to ask questions. You

00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.659
have to have curiosity. You have to go look for

00:43:19.659 --> 00:43:21.980
answers. And that's the path of science too.

00:43:22.349 --> 00:43:26.570
So I just say that in reality, spirituality is

00:43:26.570 --> 00:43:29.010
science. If I come to you, Eric, and I said,

00:43:29.010 --> 00:43:33.429
look, and there's a sky, all this is full of

00:43:33.429 --> 00:43:35.809
clouds. And I said, Eric, beyond those clouds,

00:43:35.829 --> 00:43:38.949
there's a blue sky. If you choose to believe

00:43:38.949 --> 00:43:43.050
me, just to believe me, that is dogma without

00:43:43.050 --> 00:43:47.250
any other way of proving that, that's dogma.

00:43:47.289 --> 00:43:50.510
But in the moment that you say, you start by,

00:43:50.710 --> 00:43:55.050
yeah, I believe, but... Let's go on and let's

00:43:55.050 --> 00:43:58.989
ask the real, is there really a blue sky there?

00:43:59.030 --> 00:44:02.610
I want to go see it. So you start with your hypothesis,

00:44:02.969 --> 00:44:06.050
is there is a blue sky or not? And after that

00:44:06.050 --> 00:44:09.190
you get your airplane, however you get it, you

00:44:09.190 --> 00:44:11.869
build it, you get it, and you cross those clouds

00:44:11.869 --> 00:44:15.139
and you see there's really a blue sky here. then

00:44:15.139 --> 00:44:19.920
now you get your results. You're able to compare.

00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.380
You come back here and you share all these results

00:44:23.380 --> 00:44:26.079
and your conclusions and everything with the

00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.960
people. So look at the end of the day, you need

00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.980
to do the work. You need to have curiosity. You

00:44:32.980 --> 00:44:35.719
need to have observation. You need to have results.

00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.800
So I said, I could offer you the best meditation

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.340
in the world, but if you never practice it, you

00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:44.730
will never know what it does for you. See? So

00:44:44.730 --> 00:44:48.469
at the end of the day, you have to go through

00:44:48.469 --> 00:44:51.809
all the experience. At the end of the day, you

00:44:51.809 --> 00:44:54.489
have to become the observer of yourself. There

00:44:54.489 --> 00:44:57.030
was a moment that I asked the universe, how can

00:44:57.030 --> 00:45:00.170
I do to understand and unravel the mysteries

00:45:00.170 --> 00:45:03.829
of the universe? I asked for nothing. And the

00:45:03.829 --> 00:45:07.389
answer was to understand and unravel the mysteries

00:45:07.389 --> 00:45:11.900
of the universe. Know thyself. And we can be

00:45:11.900 --> 00:45:15.719
very curious without being skeptical. Exactly.

00:45:16.059 --> 00:45:18.760
And everything, yeah, of course, because everything

00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.800
starts with that, like that question. And there

00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.480
is choice in our belief. How does that relate

00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.179
to somebody who might be saying today, I don't

00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:32.300
know if there's an afterlife. I don't know if

00:45:32.300 --> 00:45:35.619
there is a God. Does it fit the same formula?

00:45:36.619 --> 00:45:41.469
I just say that everyone is having. their own

00:45:41.469 --> 00:45:44.670
experience and we have to go through everything.

00:45:45.590 --> 00:45:50.150
Sometimes we have to go through the path of like

00:45:50.150 --> 00:45:54.750
peeling layers of what we are not until we discover

00:45:54.750 --> 00:45:57.750
what we are. The only way to know what you are

00:45:57.750 --> 00:46:00.730
is by knowing what you are not. So you peel all

00:46:00.730 --> 00:46:02.969
these layers, all these layers until you just

00:46:02.969 --> 00:46:05.409
get to the core of what you are and sometimes

00:46:05.409 --> 00:46:07.710
we have to go through doubt and sometimes we

00:46:07.710 --> 00:46:10.469
have to go through disbelief and sometimes we

00:46:10.469 --> 00:46:13.690
have to go through all these things and life,

00:46:13.849 --> 00:46:16.730
only life and your own experience because I can

00:46:16.730 --> 00:46:20.750
tell you and I can try to convince you all I

00:46:20.750 --> 00:46:24.030
want and that's not going to work. The only thing

00:46:24.030 --> 00:46:27.110
I could do is share my experience and everybody

00:46:27.110 --> 00:46:29.940
else will do. their own experience. How many

00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:34.019
near -their -experiencers were atheists and say,

00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.699
I didn't believe in anything. I've talked to

00:46:36.699 --> 00:46:40.119
many. I will shake you hard. And you're like,

00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:42.480
oh, people that it doesn't even have to be a

00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.420
near -their -experience, an experience of such

00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:48.659
extreme moment that people that never believe

00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:51.300
in God would just go and say, please God help

00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:54.119
me. And it happens. It's the moment in which

00:46:54.119 --> 00:47:00.369
you open yourself to what was hidden. It is always

00:47:00.369 --> 00:47:03.750
that knowing inside ourselves there's more than

00:47:03.750 --> 00:47:08.550
this outer reality. Beautiful stuff Ingrid. And

00:47:08.550 --> 00:47:11.630
if people want to learn more about you, we've

00:47:11.630 --> 00:47:14.570
got ingridhankala .com. I'll put it down on the

00:47:14.570 --> 00:47:16.750
show notes and go ahead and mention your couple

00:47:16.750 --> 00:47:19.739
of books that you've written too. Yes, yes, yes.

00:47:20.019 --> 00:47:22.280
I've written a few books, two for adults, two

00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.699
for children. My first book is an autobiography,

00:47:25.860 --> 00:47:28.900
A Brightly Guided Life, how a scientist learns

00:47:28.900 --> 00:47:32.300
to hear her inner wisdom. And my second book

00:47:32.300 --> 00:47:36.360
is Dying to See the Light, a guide to reawakening

00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:40.360
without nearly dying. So it's more like a guide

00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.030
to... bring people to realize you don't have

00:47:43.030 --> 00:47:45.530
to die because people ask me I would like to

00:47:45.530 --> 00:47:47.849
die and like no you don't want to die but you

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can do all these things instead so it's a guide

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and it's a guide for that for questioning for

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looking within for looking for answers for curiosity

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so that's that book and then I have two books

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just for children so children kind of start asking

00:48:04.769 --> 00:48:08.070
those questions yeah I think encouraging the

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questions is a good thing I'm going to give you

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the last word here. This show is not about death.

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It's about hope and it's about life and it's

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about love. Leave us some kind of a message of

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hope because we're living in a world right now

00:48:24.829 --> 00:48:27.730
that, wow, there's not a lot of it. There's just

00:48:27.730 --> 00:48:30.909
bad news everywhere. Leave us with some hope

00:48:30.909 --> 00:48:35.769
today. You know, this is a message I received

00:48:35.769 --> 00:48:39.300
from what I call being so light, and it's a really

00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:42.139
beautiful message they sent to me. Ingrid, you

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don't imagine how grateful everyone would be

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if you realize that for you to exist, trillions

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and trillions and trillions of subatomic particles

00:48:55.900 --> 00:49:01.880
have to be in agreement. You are divine. You

00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:04.920
are a divine being. Look at these subatomic particles

00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.280
could have chosen be anything else and they decided

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to be you and I see it with everything and nowadays

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I see wow these spend trillions and trillions

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of subatomic particles keep it together to be

00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.780
this pen so I can use it and at the same time

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it was created by the creative thinking of the

00:49:27.139 --> 00:49:30.079
universe someone that was connected with creativity

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so I tried to see things with those eyes what

00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:38.420
can I do to be the peace I want to see in the

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world. What can I do to be the joy I want to

00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.860
see in the world, the love I want to see in the

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world? So I do not lose myself in what is happening

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out there. The beings of light also say to me,

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do not worry for what others do. Not because

00:49:54.460 --> 00:49:57.420
you don't care, but because you care so much

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that you correct yourself first. So be the light

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that you want to see in the world. Be that. Thanks

00:50:07.889 --> 00:50:10.289
again for listening and sharing this podcast.

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