"Jesus Held My Hand"

0:03 From the time that they pronounced me that was a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I could see people screaming and crying But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else The only thing that I could feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody. And please give a warm welcome to our very special guest today, Julie Clough. How are you, Julie?

0:47 I'm great. Thanks so much for having me, Eric. You're welcome. And I know you're in the Nashville area. And before we jump into your experience, which is going to be very tender. I'll just put it that way. Tell us a little bit about you. Who's Julie? Well, that's a really good question. It seems like it shifts and changes every 10 years, but today I am working as a spiritual medium. I'm a grandma, a mom. I actually have 12 grandchildren. Can you believe that? Like, where does the time go? How does this happen? I don't know, but I enjoy. Painting I don't get to do it very much anymore. I love playing the piano I love playing tennis things like that.

1:34 So yeah, that's who I am Okay, when we're done you and I are gonna show photos to each other of our grandchildren. Okay, there you go I only have 11 but we'll try to catch you at 12 here Well, two of my grandchildren two of my grandchildren are adopted. So that's kind of fun. Yeah All right, well I want to jump into it and you mentioned being a medium. That's not something we dig into much on this show. There's a lot of other podcasts for that. But I find it very interesting that a lot of people that have had NDEs, STEs, other kinds of experiences, related experiences, often come away with the term that I like as spiritual gifts of some sort or another. Well, we'll hit the medium thing a little bit later on because it's related. Yeah, it is very much So yeah, okay. Well go ahead and take us back not quite 20 years I hope it's not too hard to talk about it was a very rough day and a rough time But go ahead and tell our listeners what you went through Yeah, so what you're referring to is on Mother's Day In 2007, I was traveling with my three youngest children across the country.

2:51 We were traveling from Texas, where we lived at the time, traveling east to visit grandparents. We were having a good trip, and about halfway through the afternoon, I suddenly woke up in the median between the eastbound and westbound lanes of a highway. I had never felt tired, but I had fallen asleep at the wheel. And when I tried to bring my SUV back up on the road, the vehicle began to roll. And ultimately what happened was my two youngest children, who were David, eight, he was eight at the time, and my daughter Carrie, who was 12, or 10 at the time, sorry, they were thrown from the car. And ultimately I found out later that day that they had passed away because they were thrown from the car. My 12 year old son was in the front seat next to me. Uh, he was injured. I was injured, but it was very minor, my injuries, but I was in total shock, physically, emotionally in every way.

3:52 In fact, when the car stopped rolling and I, I didn't recognize this until later, but I had been knocked out by the rolling of the car. And so my first conscious memory was having consciousness, but not being able to see anything. But I knew, you know, it was pretty quick after that, that my eyesight came back. I realized that Carrie and David had been thrown from the car. They were what felt like a football field away from the car. And we were taken to two different hospitals Ambulances showed up and they took my son James and I to one hospital and they took Carrie and David to a different hospital So I laid in the hospital not knowing whether they had lived or died But I want to go back just a little bit because as the car started rolling Spirit spoke to me. I had a voice in my head that said bring your arm in I have no idea how I paid attention to that voice, but I did. I brought my arm in and it saved my arm. I learned about two people within a couple of years who had lost their arm in a rollover car accident. And so then the main question comes up, well, why did that voice help me save my arm, but didn't save my children?

5:10 And that was a question that I had to really struggle with. for a while there. As my memories came back of actually being knocked out and during the accident, when those memories started to reform, I realized that my consciousness during that time that I was knocked out, my consciousness rose above the accident and in a near death like experience where I was with my two children as they departed and I don't have a lot of memory of that so I can't really go into it further than that other than there was this feeling of you know that's that's the overarching experience is this feeling of peace every time spirit touched my experience so even when I when my memory goes back to that voice that said bring your arm in There was an urgency, there wasn't panic. I was in panic. I was in urgency because, of course, the car is rolling. But the voice was not urgent.

6:18 It was not panicked. It was very peaceful and very calm. And my experience of remembering rising above that accident and having this knowing, having this remembrance that we had made this plan before we came here, that they would be departing. Very young that is filled with peace as well, which makes no sense Then when I was taken to the hospital I was laying on a striker board which is that stiff board that they they put you on so that they can Do the exams and so forth make sure there's no internal injuries or nothing that's broken that I did have a broken wrist sprain shoulders that kind of thing, but nothing major but as I laid on that striker board and just again like My humanness was in complete panic, complete overwhelm. It's just hard to explain all the confusion and the overwhelm and the terror of the experience. And at that point, not knowing whether my children were alive or dead, I would be asking. And that would be the worst part. That would be the most terrifying part of the whole thing. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, first, let me just say I'm sorry that you had to go through something like that. Yeah, it was horrific and your other your 12 year old son was okay. He was and that was part of the miracles that happened that day, which is so odd to say

7:49 because we didn't have the miracle of Carrie and David surviving the accident, but we did have the miracle of the surgeon who actually pioneered the surgery that our son needed because his leg had been broken, severely broken. The surgeon that pioneered the procedure he needed was there at the hospital that day. And I remember the attendance and the nurses, I could hear their conversations like, why is he here? So it just really felt like such a miracle that he was there that day, because it was a holiday, it was Mother's Day, and it was a Sunday. So they didn't really understand why he was there that day. But I know he was there for us, and so I'm really grateful for that. But as I laid there, not knowing whether my kids were alive or not, I did have this very strong feeling come over me. In the car, like, you know, as we've landed, I'm seeing all the destruction. I'm in all the panic. But there was a part of me that knew that they were either both here or they were both gone. And ultimately, of course, we found out they were both gone.

9:00 But as I laid in that emergency room, I had what I can only describe as an out of body type experience where I was transported into this field. of flowers, like it was a mountain meadow, and there were distant mountains. And I'm originally from Florida, so I don't know why the imagery of mountains were significant in that. I don't have any idea. But Jesus, who I call Geshewa now, was standing with me in this field, holding my hands, looking into my eyes. Like we were standing face to face, and there were no words exchanged. It was just this immense peace and so i was going from the panic in the emergency room into this. Peace the best way i've been able to explain this is eric is like if you're in a movie theater and there's this whole war scene going on and then it immediately cuts into this peaceful like love scene i mean that's how stark it was that's how immersive it was. And I had that experience and I was almost like going back and forth between this valley with Yeshua and this panic in the emergency room. But yeah, it wasn't long after that that I learned that my children had passed.

10:28 Tell me more about that time with Jesus and the valley and the holding hands. You felt peace. What else did you feel and did you see much? It wasn't like I was looking around, but I just had this awareness of my surroundings. If that makes any sense at all, I had awareness of my, my surroundings. I had an awareness of the wildflowers. I had an awareness of the mountains and the distance that were all the way around. But it was my attention was completely surrendered to this. Peace and love and compassion that I was receiving from Yeshua. That's it's undescribable and it was an experience that informed my next three years of Hell I can only describe it that way because I was going through just self -hatred PTSD just severe grief Complicated grief is you know as they call it. I mean tremendous That's where the self -hatred was coming from Saw I was in so much pain I saw the people around me in so much pain because of the passing of David and Carrie and All I could see was I'm the cause of this. I'm the cause of this yeah, it was it was horrendous, but having that infusion of peace

12:02 and compassion And you know, as I'm saying this, like what's coming to my mind is that when we experience something really hard like this, like I have a conscious memory of having that experience with Yeshua. We are all surrounded by heavenly beings, angelic beings, spirit guides, you know, loved ones who have passed. who are comforting us and helping us through our really challenging human experiences, for sure. And that is really important to remember. And I think that's one reason why I've been called to share my story and share my experiences is to give that perspective of hope. But yeah, I think that's one of the many reasons that I've been, you know, in this position of sharing my story, which came even the fact that I'm sharing my story came in unusual ways, but it was at the three year mark where I had this profound experience where I was supposed to do something with this story. But even before that happened, I was having, there were so many things that happened, Eric. I get, you know, there's no way that I could go into everything that happened, but this experience of losing the kids was life changing, life altering. And at one point during my grief, my two oldest daughters

13:32 were off at college. And at this point I have two teenage sons at home. You know, I'm the mom of six, three from a first marriage. three from the second marriage. We're all living together, one Brady Bunch family. And then, you know, our two youngest children pass in this car accident. But my two Teenage boys at this point, the 12 year old that was in the accident, you know, it's a couple years later, and then his older brother. And I remember just feeling so bad because I was just looking, I was feeling so bad that they were growing up in such a different household as teenagers than their older sisters had just so much condemnation for myself. Like this is not fair to them. This is not right. And spirit somehow got through all of that that was going on in my head and said, Julie, this is their experience too. And in that in that moment, I had this understanding again. That this was part of the plan that this was part of what we had planned before we came And that this was that they had agreed to this experience as well. And yeah for sure They were living in a totally different household. Let me hit you with some questions now and Let's pick up right with that right there with this plan Before we came here. I know every different religion has different beliefs about Some kind of a life before we came here or no

15:05 life at all before we came here What are your personal beliefs on that topic and did this experience teach you more? It absolutely taught me more a hundred percent taught me more Because you know as my healing was happening in this during these three years I was having these experiences like this one with my sons Realizing that there was more going on here than just there was an accident and they died there was just so much more going on and and that the three -year mark I had this healing experience and then after the healing experience and I'm I'm telling this because this is part of the answer to your question and how I was I Will say educated through the process of this life plan, educated through the process of grief and healing and so forth. Because after my grief healing, after the darkness lifted, and I was more in touch with this idea that there was more going on, then I started to have these experiences where I'd wake up in the morning and this thought would come that I was supposed to share my story. And I would dismiss it immediately.

16:27 Eric, I'm like, nobody wants to hear my story. It's awful. Nobody wants to hear it. That makes no sense. I would dismiss it immediately. But in 2012, I was introduced to someone. We'd gone to lunch. My mom had some friends that she wanted to introduce me to and we'd gone to lunch. During this lunch I learned about this band story and he had gone through some challenges and now he was helping people through challenges that he like he had gone through and in the course of this lunch my mom turned to me and she said Julie share your story and I was like no like I mean I was in such resistance to that idea I can like I could just I can feel it now like things like no. But I did, I just briefly shared that my children had passed and you know, some of the miracles that had actually accompanied the experience and the miracle of my healing and so forth. And as we were leaving that restaurant, that man stopped me and he put his hand on my arm and he looked in my eyes and he said, you're supposed to do something with this. And in that moment, I couldn't deny that it was like lightning struck.

17:43 I felt it at this deep visceral level. And if you ask me now, I feel like this was, you know, I would say like, it was like God was standing in front of me saying, Julia, you're supposed to do something with this. But it was like my soul. My soul was speaking to me like this is this is why you are here. This is why this happened. I don't think we can. Simply tie up in a bow exactly why everything happens, but it was a big part of what happened and why it happened and and I do feel at a very Deep level that this was part of the plan before we came and and I have this understanding that I was given a choice Carrie would only live for so many years David would only live for so many years and do you want to be the mom? under those circumstances And I chose and I said, yes. And so I feel like it's, it's a strange thing to say, but I don't feel like I missed out on the rest of their life because they came here to be here for a short period of time to open up a lot of people through their story, through their interactions with the people with the fan, with our family, with their friends and so forth. And so, yeah, I had a choice. I could be their mom in physical form for eight and 10 years or not be their mom. And I chose to be their mom. And I remember that every day. And I stay connected with them on

19:13 a regular basis. What a blessing. How do you stay connected with them? Over time, I learned to communicate with them. You know, in the beginning, it was having experiences. For example, my daughter, my oldest daughter was married by the end of that year. So they died in 2007. And at the end of the year, she She was married and at her wedding I felt them there with us at the one year mark. Our girls, our two oldest daughters who were off of college came home, surprised us for the weekend on Mother's Day and we sat on a church pew and I felt this like unity of our family.

19:58 I felt my children who were here and I felt my children who were on the other side in that experience of us all being there on the church pew and it like reconnected me to how grateful I am to be a mother. in this like profound way that's beyond just our human gratitude, but it was a very, very powerful experience. It makes sense to me. It's easy for me to believe. those kinds of things. Can you tell me a little bit more about the voice that told you to bring your arm in? Was it kind of hanging out the window or was it just bring it in tight to you? Do you feel like it was an out loud kind of voice or this strong thought came to you? It was very definitely a voice.

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23:33 But I literally went and did what that voice told me to do. And it was such confirmation that it wasn't just my imagination or something that I dreamed, but there was some validity to that voice and what the instructions were. Yeah, I'd had that experience off and on over the years, but I was very much in a religious construct where I looked at everything through a religious lens and I, you know, interpreted things through a religious lens. That voice that came to me that told me to bring my arm in, I mean, I remembered it. Immediately it wasn't something that came back to me later. I just I remembered it immediately You know the cars rolling the windows are being Busted out and crashing the whole thing right?

24:29 There's a lot of noise Mm -hmm, and I don't remember any of that because I think that like I said I was knocked out pretty early in the process But it was more of like I just bring your arm in tight And I have no idea how I had the presence of mind to do that because that must have happened in within a split second. Okay. Here's a hard question because I'm going to ask you to do something that you said you couldn't do. You said you could not describe the peace and the love, but I want you to try anyway. You know, my gosh, I'm like feeling so much emotion right now and just going there because I was woken up. It's probably been two or three years ago now. I was woken up to this piece one morning and it was not just like an emotion. It was a physical experience. And that's why it's so hard to describe is because we don't typically have peace at the depth that it feels physical. We have a feeling around it.

25:36 We have an emotional emotion around it. It's all encompassing. It's all just like There's nothing else. It's in that space where I'm face to face with Jesus with Yeshua, you know, whatever name that you want to put in that space, but it was all encompassing there was no Accident during that space there was no chaos in that space It was just like you're in this bubble of complete security, comfort, love. It's just all encompassing. I'm not sure if there's any other words to share that. But thank you for asking. Let's say I've never felt that and without having to go through an experience like you did or another NDE, which people try to explain this to me all the time. Is there a way that we can feel even a portion of that here in this life?

26:40 Yeah, absolutely. I mean one of the best ways and I'm sure other people have shared this with you is just quieting, just having some space. You know, putting your hand on your heart can be really, really helpful. There's, you know, if you've heard of chakras, there's chakras in the hand. There's our major chakra, center chakra of our system is our heart chakra. When we put our hand on that heart chakra, it's almost like we're connecting a system. putting our hand on our heart and closing our eyes and taking some deep breaths and it's it's like a meditation and it's it's something that we can tap into when we put our hand on our heart we're asking ourselves to drop into the heart and come out of the head and our mind is where all the Chaos and the activity is our mind is a tool and we we learn to use our mind in more Helpful ways as we meditate as we journal as we do these different practices that can help us be more balanced in our human experience But we're we're here to have a human experience. We're here You know, we're not here to sit in lotus position all day long and with our hand on our heart and you know chant or hum, like those are beautiful experiences that reconnect us with who we really are as light

28:10 beings, as souls. All right, we're going to shift gears just a little bit. And you had mentioned something about angels earlier. Please take us down that road for a minute. Yeah, it's interesting when my first book came out, Miracles in the Darkness, was still very entrenched in religion and you know kind of seeing everything from those views and was seeing all the miracles but I wasn't connected to the angelic realm and then I Started to see 12s everywhere and eventually my daughter Carrie who you know, she's on the other side told me that she was the one that was sending 12s to me, but it just, it opened me to angel numbers and signs. And Eric, I was not a person to like look for things like that. I was, you know, math was my favorite subject. I'm like linear, you know, that's all, that's all nice for everybody, but that didn't mean anything to me. But I was seeing so many 12s, I could not ignore it anymore. So I started looking up like angel numbers and I started exploring what all that meant. And in the process, I started, I, you know, I'd learned to communicate with my kids. I'd learned to communicate with my brother who passed away, you know, many years ago and, um, through a series of, you know, feeling them near and then being able to just kind of talk to them, writing notes and having them write

29:41 back to me and so forth. But the angel thing was really interesting. I wasn't talking about it at all, but I had this, we were in Mexico, my husband and I were in Mexico on a trip and we'd gone a whale watching trip and on a little excursion and we were off the coast of Mexico. I was frankly grumpy. It was the middle of the afternoon. We were on a really dumb whale watching boat. I was really uncomfortable. We weren't seeing anything. And I was thinking this is literally in my mind was thinking this is going to be a dud of a whale watching trip. And I heard, I heard that voice again that said, Julie, you have angels. And when I heard that my energy just lifted and I just, I like, I just knew, I just knew that the angels were around and I began to say, and they always are, you know, sometimes we don't, aren't connected to it, but it's, they're always there. So I started saying in my head, like a mantra, thank you for bringing the angels close, or sorry, thank you for bringing the whales close to the boat. Thank you for bringing the boat close to the whales. And as I said that within 10, 15 minutes we were surrounded by whales.

30:55 We literally had whales on the left side, whales to the front, whales on the right side, a whole pod of dolphins came and were swimming near us. And it was, again, it was like this out of body experience because I was so filled with bliss. Like that's the only word I can think of. It was just this magical. magical experience of having all these whales surrounding our boat, just bringing so much joy. The energy of it was otherworldly. The excursion guide said, we need to get back. It's, you know, it's the end of the trip. And as he said that the whale started to swim off and one came up and put his tail in the air and started. And I don't know what that behavior is called. And I know they're not.

31:41 Consciously like waving goodbye this but that's what it felt like like this whale just came up and started Waving goodbye with its tail. It was just such a beautiful experience and the next day I received a message to start teaching about angels and so when I got back from that trip within a month I had started teaching classes about angels and connecting with our angels and that's a big part of what I do today is I want to bring awareness to the spiritual connection that we all have to the other side. We all have angels, we all have guides, we all have loved ones that are surrounding us who love us and are bringing us energy and wanting to help us.

32:28 But we have to also ask for their help, we have to invite them in, otherwise they... They're kind of it's so funny because when I meet with clients and you know, I'm connecting with their guides and and I'm like, Oh, your guides are telling me that you like communicating with it. And I will see them like, clapping their hands like that. It's clapping their hands like they get so excited. When we make that connection. In fact, I saw someone who Is also medium talking about something similar the other day and she said our loved ones want us to know that they're Just a thought of I mean, this is the way I see it. They're just a thought away Time and space on the other side is just so different than it is here And if I wanted to come see you, Eric, I would have to get on a plane and I'd have to fly. And, you know, we'd have to go through all these mechanisms to be in the same physical space, but time and space on the other side is very, very different. And they don't have those types of limitations. I can be here talking with my daughter on the other side and another family member can also be calling on her at the same time. And it's, it's just. It's hard for us to understand, but it's, yeah, it's just different.

33:53 Yeah. It's sort of like, I mean, everybody asks at some point, how does God hear everybody's prayers at the same time? That explains it a little bit. Now without going into a, you know, a week long class, I'm gonna have to give you a limit on this cause big question. How do we tap into those angels? And the other thing is, so you mentioned angels guides loved ones. Are they sometimes the same person or personage or being? And what's an angel? Is it different than one of these other things? Too many questions all in one mouthful. That's okay, because it's a common question. When we talk about the other side, I'm giving you my perspective and when you ask that same question somebody else are giving their perspective. The reality is. I don't know exactly i know what i know and it's kind of like that. That story of the blind man with the elephant you know what's an elephant and the one that's holding the air says it's a fan and the other one holding the tail says it's a rope and another one you know so they're getting a different experience so i'm sharing my perspective on this but my perspective on this is angels are. Divine presence their divine energy their large energies. When people see angels objectively

35:27 and there are people that see angels objectively They show up in a form that we can relate to that in a in like a human type form but they're really energetic beings They have no gender sometimes they can show up as a female sometimes as a male, but they're they're energetic beings powerful, powerful, energetic beings. And they don't want to be worshipped, but they want to be acknowledged. And our guides is a little different because a lot of times our guides can be ancestors, it can be specific. Our guides are more people who have lived on the earth, who understand the earth experience, and can assist us in the work that we're doing here. and then we have our you know we have our family members we have our ancestors that type of thing so everybody has a team and so that that's a little excellent does that make any sense or is that giving clarity to that yeah i mean there's never going to be 100 % clarity at in this realm anyway exactly but yeah that all helps we put the pieces together we get from here and there and everywhere else before we go away Can you tell me a little bit more about David and Carrie? What kind of people were they?

36:53 I would love to. And I also want to, I think I didn't answer your question about how connecting to the, you know, to the other side and connecting to our angels. So I want, I want to encompass all of that. So David. Was Dennis the menace for those that come from that generation and know who Dennis the menace was he was full of life. Everyone loved Davis David. He had this big smile. He had the big ears. He had he was playful and he still shows up that way. Very playful as his mom. I would wonder when he was going to grow out of the mischief. Because he was so mischievous but my mother -in -law used to say his spirit was bigger than his body and he just couldn't be contained and it was the truth. He was just this bigger -than -life presence.

37:49 My daughter Carrie was just this very tender -hearted, beautiful little girl. And I mean, this describes both of them. They just loved everybody. They didn't meet strangers. They didn't meet people that they couldn't get along with. The one thing about Carrie is so often I would hear from her friends after she passed. And even today, I still hear from them. And it's been years. I'll get messages like, I moved into the neighborhood. And I didn't have any friends and Carrie befriended me. She was my first friend. I mean, this is the story I hear over and over again. She really was so like she would just wrap her arms around people and just would make friends with everybody. So that was very much.

38:42 Who they were here and very much how they show up from the other side In that same same way when I connect with my daughter Carrie Her energy feels so angelic like it feels very powerful That on you know on the other side like we had if we have our personalities here, but when we go back to the other side It's like we go back into that understanding of the spirit world that higher vibration that higher just understanding of life and when it comes to like Connecting to our angels. You're the very first thing that we can do to connect with our angels is to believe that they're there. That's the biggest thing that kind of keeps us separated from that. A lot of people have fear around connecting with spirit. But we all know what it feels like when we're in a place that feels I want to just very briefly share that I had this experience with a friend's son. I had learned to connect with my kids on the other side, with my brother on the other side. And I had a friend whose son, he was in his twenties, passed away a few years ago. And it was like about two weeks after his passing and I got into my car. I was out running errands. I got into my car and all of a sudden I just felt like he was there in the car with

40:12 me. And when I felt that, I thought, I don't know what to do with this. But I did the only thing I could think of. I pulled out my phone and I just wrote down the messages I was hearing. And as I wrote down those messages, you know, again, like I just felt him there. And eventually I was able to deliver that message. But somebody asked me, and I wasn't sharing. It wasn't like I went around Eric and telling everybody, oh, by the way, this person, you know, showed up. Like, I didn't know what to do with that. But I did share it with a couple of people in this one. person that I shared it with, they said to me, what did it feel like? And I'm so grateful for that question because the truth is that it felt like it felt sacred. And I was so grateful that that person asked me that question because then it caused me to drop back into that experience.

41:05 And what did it feel like? And it felt sacred. As I did grief work and I felt people's loved ones coming into the room It's such a sacred experience. It's a sacred experience to To witness other people's Process of grieving and healing. It's such a sacred experience to connect people to their loved ones and to their angels and guides it's it's just beautiful and so that's the That's the feeling to go into when you're connecting with the other side is to go into this feeling of like, you know, I'm only going to connect with that higher frequency with that higher light.

41:52 And that's the purpose and that's the intention. And that's where my attention goes. Thank you, Julie. I know some people are going to want to reach out to you and we'll put your website and some of your other contact info in the show notes and description. It looks like you're all over the place, social media, podcast, etc. So we'll make it easy for everybody to find you. And if you take one last minute, I'm going to give you the final thought here. And that is, if you were speaking with a grieving parent today, what kind of message of hope would you have for them? You know, that's, that's a tough question, because in the beginning, It's so Disordering challenging.

42:41 It's so heavy and in the beginning It's just like just allow all of it and recognize that it it just is what it is But things and this feels trite The emotions and the things that you're experiencing now will shift and change and allow it to shift and change And allow yourself, when you have those moments where you feel happiness, when you feel joy kind of peeking through the cracks of the grief, allow that too. And don't feel like you are letting anybody down on the other side. Sometimes we hold on to the grief, feeling like that's how we honor our loved ones.

43:33 Grief is part of the healing process. We're not meant to stay there Love and joy is how we connect with the other side and how we stay connected with our loved ones And so we will get to that place of love and joy when we allow that to enter our life again But it's not an easy process. And so my heart goes out to anybody that's experiencing Grief and pain and in the middle of it. It can feel like there is no Island of hope or relief in sight But hold on because there is there will be Beautiful. Thank you very much Thank you Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.

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