"Jesus Held My Hand"

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody.

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And please give a warm welcome to our very special

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guest today, Julie Clough. How are you, Julie?

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I'm great. Thanks so much for having me, Eric.

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You're welcome. And I know you're in the Nashville

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area. And before we jump into your experience,

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which is going to be very tender. I'll just put

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it that way. Tell us a little bit about you.

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Who's Julie? Well, that's a really good question.

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It seems like it shifts and changes every 10

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years, but today I am working as a spiritual

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medium. I'm a grandma, a mom. I actually have

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12 grandchildren. Can you believe that? Like,

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where does the time go? How does this happen?

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I don't know, but I enjoy. Painting I don't get

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to do it very much anymore. I love playing the

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piano I love playing tennis things like that.

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So yeah, that's who I am Okay, when we're done

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you and I are gonna show photos to each other

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of our grandchildren. Okay, there you go I only

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have 11 but we'll try to catch you at 12 here

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Well, two of my grandchildren two of my grandchildren

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are adopted. So that's kind of fun. Yeah All

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right, well I want to jump into it and you mentioned

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being a medium. That's not something we dig into

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much on this show. There's a lot of other podcasts

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for that. But I find it very interesting that

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a lot of people that have had NDEs, STEs, other

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kinds of experiences, related experiences, often

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come away with the term that I like as spiritual

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gifts of some sort or another. Well, we'll hit

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the medium thing a little bit later on because

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it's related. Yeah, it is very much So yeah,

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okay. Well go ahead and take us back not quite

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20 years I hope it's not too hard to talk about

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it was a very rough day and a rough time But

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go ahead and tell our listeners what you went

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through Yeah, so what you're referring to is

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on Mother's Day In 2007, I was traveling with

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my three youngest children across the country.

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We were traveling from Texas, where we lived

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at the time, traveling east to visit grandparents.

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We were having a good trip, and about halfway

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through the afternoon, I suddenly woke up in

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the median between the eastbound and westbound

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lanes of a highway. I had never felt tired, but

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I had fallen asleep at the wheel. And when I

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tried to bring my SUV back up on the road, the

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vehicle began to roll. And ultimately what happened

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was my two youngest children, who were David,

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eight, he was eight at the time, and my daughter

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Carrie, who was 12, or 10 at the time, sorry,

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they were thrown from the car. And ultimately

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I found out later that day that they had passed

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away because they were thrown from the car. My

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12 year old son was in the front seat next to

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me. Uh, he was injured. I was injured, but it

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was very minor, my injuries, but I was in total

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shock, physically, emotionally in every way.

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In fact, when the car stopped rolling and I,

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I didn't recognize this until later, but I had

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been knocked out by the rolling of the car. And

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so my first conscious memory was having consciousness,

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but not being able to see anything. But I knew,

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you know, it was pretty quick after that, that

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my eyesight came back. I realized that Carrie

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and David had been thrown from the car. They

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were what felt like a football field away from

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the car. And we were taken to two different hospitals

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Ambulances showed up and they took my son James

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and I to one hospital and they took Carrie and

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David to a different hospital So I laid in the

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hospital not knowing whether they had lived or

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died But I want to go back just a little bit

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because as the car started rolling Spirit spoke

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to me. I had a voice in my head that said bring

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your arm in I have no idea how I paid attention

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to that voice, but I did. I brought my arm in

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and it saved my arm. I learned about two people

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within a couple of years who had lost their arm

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in a rollover car accident. And so then the main

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question comes up, well, why did that voice help

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me save my arm, but didn't save my children?

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And that was a question that I had to really

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struggle with. for a while there. As my memories

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came back of actually being knocked out and during

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the accident, when those memories started to

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reform, I realized that my consciousness during

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that time that I was knocked out, my consciousness

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rose above the accident and in a near death like

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experience where I was with my two children as

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they departed and I don't have a lot of memory

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of that so I can't really go into it further

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than that other than there was this feeling of

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you know that's that's the overarching experience

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is this feeling of peace every time spirit touched

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my experience so even when I when my memory goes

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back to that voice that said bring your arm in

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There was an urgency, there wasn't panic. I was

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in panic. I was in urgency because, of course,

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the car is rolling. But the voice was not urgent.

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It was not panicked. It was very peaceful and

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very calm. And my experience of remembering rising

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above that accident and having this knowing,

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having this remembrance that we had made this

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plan before we came here, that they would be

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departing. Very young that is filled with peace

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as well, which makes no sense Then when I was

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taken to the hospital I was laying on a striker

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board which is that stiff board that they they

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put you on so that they can Do the exams and

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so forth make sure there's no internal injuries

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or nothing that's broken that I did have a broken

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wrist sprain shoulders that kind of thing, but

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nothing major but as I laid on that striker board

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and just again like My humanness was in complete

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panic, complete overwhelm. It's just hard to

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explain all the confusion and the overwhelm and

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the terror of the experience. And at that point,

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not knowing whether my children were alive or

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dead, I would be asking. And that would be the

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worst part. That would be the most terrifying

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part of the whole thing. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well,

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first, let me just say I'm sorry that you had

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to go through something like that. Yeah, it was

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horrific and your other your 12 year old son

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was okay. He was and that was part of the miracles

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that happened that day, which is so odd to say

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because we didn't have the miracle of Carrie

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and David surviving the accident, but we did

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have the miracle of the surgeon who actually

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pioneered the surgery that our son needed because

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his leg had been broken, severely broken. The

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surgeon that pioneered the procedure he needed

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was there at the hospital that day. And I remember

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the attendance and the nurses, I could hear their

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conversations like, why is he here? So it just

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really felt like such a miracle that he was there

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that day, because it was a holiday, it was Mother's

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Day, and it was a Sunday. So they didn't really

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understand why he was there that day. But I know

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he was there for us, and so I'm really grateful

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for that. But as I laid there, not knowing whether

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my kids were alive or not, I did have this very

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strong feeling come over me. In the car, like,

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you know, as we've landed, I'm seeing all the

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destruction. I'm in all the panic. But there

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was a part of me that knew that they were either

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both here or they were both gone. And ultimately,

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of course, we found out they were both gone.

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But as I laid in that emergency room, I had what

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I can only describe as an out of body type experience

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where I was transported into this field. of flowers,

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like it was a mountain meadow, and there were

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distant mountains. And I'm originally from Florida,

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so I don't know why the imagery of mountains

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were significant in that. I don't have any idea.

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But Jesus, who I call Geshewa now, was standing

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with me in this field, holding my hands, looking

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into my eyes. Like we were standing face to face,

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and there were no words exchanged. It was just

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this immense peace and so i was going from the

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panic in the emergency room into this. Peace

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the best way i've been able to explain this is

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eric is like if you're in a movie theater and

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there's this whole war scene going on and then

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it immediately cuts into this peaceful like love

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scene i mean that's how stark it was that's how

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immersive it was. And I had that experience and

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I was almost like going back and forth between

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this valley with Yeshua and this panic in the

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emergency room. But yeah, it wasn't long after

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that that I learned that my children had passed.

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Tell me more about that time with Jesus and the

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valley and the holding hands. You felt peace.

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What else did you feel and did you see much?

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It wasn't like I was looking around, but I just

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had this awareness of my surroundings. If that

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makes any sense at all, I had awareness of my,

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my surroundings. I had an awareness of the wildflowers.

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I had an awareness of the mountains and the distance

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that were all the way around. But it was my attention

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was completely surrendered to this. Peace and

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love and compassion that I was receiving from

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Yeshua. That's it's undescribable and it was

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an experience that informed my next three years

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of Hell I can only describe it that way because

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I was going through just self -hatred PTSD just

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severe grief Complicated grief is you know as

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they call it. I mean tremendous That's where

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the self -hatred was coming from Saw I was in

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so much pain I saw the people around me in so

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much pain because of the passing of David and

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Carrie and All I could see was I'm the cause

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of this. I'm the cause of this yeah, it was it

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was horrendous, but having that infusion of peace

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and compassion And you know, as I'm saying this,

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like what's coming to my mind is that when we

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experience something really hard like this, like

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I have a conscious memory of having that experience

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with Yeshua. We are all surrounded by heavenly

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beings, angelic beings, spirit guides, you know,

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loved ones who have passed. who are comforting

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us and helping us through our really challenging

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human experiences, for sure. And that is really

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important to remember. And I think that's one

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reason why I've been called to share my story

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and share my experiences is to give that perspective

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of hope. But yeah, I think that's one of the

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many reasons that I've been, you know, in this

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position of sharing my story, which came even

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the fact that I'm sharing my story came in unusual

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ways, but it was at the three year mark where

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I had this profound experience where I was supposed

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to do something with this story. But even before

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that happened, I was having, there were so many

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things that happened, Eric. I get, you know,

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there's no way that I could go into everything

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that happened, but this experience of losing

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the kids was life changing, life altering. And

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at one point during my grief, my two oldest daughters

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were off at college. And at this point I have

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two teenage sons at home. You know, I'm the mom

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of six, three from a first marriage. three from

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the second marriage. We're all living together,

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one Brady Bunch family. And then, you know, our

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two youngest children pass in this car accident.

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But my two Teenage boys at this point, the 12

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year old that was in the accident, you know,

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it's a couple years later, and then his older

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brother. And I remember just feeling so bad because

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I was just looking, I was feeling so bad that

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they were growing up in such a different household

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as teenagers than their older sisters had just

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so much condemnation for myself. Like this is

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not fair to them. This is not right. And spirit

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somehow got through all of that that was going

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on in my head and said, Julie, this is their

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experience too. And in that in that moment, I

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had this understanding again. That this was part

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of the plan that this was part of what we had

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planned before we came And that this was that

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they had agreed to this experience as well. And

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yeah for sure They were living in a totally different

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household. Let me hit you with some questions

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now and Let's pick up right with that right there

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with this plan Before we came here. I know every

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different religion has different beliefs about

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Some kind of a life before we came here or no

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life at all before we came here What are your

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personal beliefs on that topic and did this experience

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teach you more? It absolutely taught me more

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a hundred percent taught me more Because you

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know as my healing was happening in this during

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these three years I was having these experiences

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like this one with my sons Realizing that there

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was more going on here than just there was an

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accident and they died there was just so much

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more going on and and that the three -year mark

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I had this healing experience and then after

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the healing experience and I'm I'm telling this

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because this is part of the answer to your question

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and how I was I Will say educated through the

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process of this life plan, educated through the

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process of grief and healing and so forth. Because

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after my grief healing, after the darkness lifted,

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and I was more in touch with this idea that there

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was more going on, then I started to have these

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experiences where I'd wake up in the morning

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and this thought would come that I was supposed

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to share my story. And I would dismiss it immediately.

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Eric, I'm like, nobody wants to hear my story.

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It's awful. Nobody wants to hear it. That makes

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no sense. I would dismiss it immediately. But

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in 2012, I was introduced to someone. We'd gone

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to lunch. My mom had some friends that she wanted

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to introduce me to and we'd gone to lunch. During

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this lunch I learned about this band story and

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he had gone through some challenges and now he

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was helping people through challenges that he

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like he had gone through and in the course of

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this lunch my mom turned to me and she said Julie

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share your story and I was like no like I mean

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I was in such resistance to that idea I can like

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I could just I can feel it now like things like

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no. But I did, I just briefly shared that my

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children had passed and you know, some of the

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miracles that had actually accompanied the experience

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and the miracle of my healing and so forth. And

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as we were leaving that restaurant, that man

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stopped me and he put his hand on my arm and

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he looked in my eyes and he said, you're supposed

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to do something with this. And in that moment,

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I couldn't deny that it was like lightning struck.

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I felt it at this deep visceral level. And if

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you ask me now, I feel like this was, you know,

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I would say like, it was like God was standing

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in front of me saying, Julia, you're supposed

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to do something with this. But it was like my

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soul. My soul was speaking to me like this is

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this is why you are here. This is why this happened.

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I don't think we can. Simply tie up in a bow

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exactly why everything happens, but it was a

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big part of what happened and why it happened

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and and I do feel at a very Deep level that this

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was part of the plan before we came and and I

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have this understanding that I was given a choice

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Carrie would only live for so many years David

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would only live for so many years and do you

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want to be the mom? under those circumstances

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And I chose and I said, yes. And so I feel like

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it's, it's a strange thing to say, but I don't

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feel like I missed out on the rest of their life

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because they came here to be here for a short

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period of time to open up a lot of people through

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their story, through their interactions with

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the people with the fan, with our family, with

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their friends and so forth. And so, yeah, I had

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a choice. I could be their mom in physical form

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for eight and 10 years or not be their mom. And

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I chose to be their mom. And I remember that

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every day. And I stay connected with them on

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a regular basis. What a blessing. How do you

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stay connected with them? Over time, I learned

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to communicate with them. You know, in the beginning,

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it was having experiences. For example, my daughter,

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my oldest daughter was married by the end of

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that year. So they died in 2007. And at the end

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of the year, she She was married and at her wedding

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I felt them there with us at the one year mark.

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Our girls, our two oldest daughters who were

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off of college came home, surprised us for the

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weekend on Mother's Day and we sat on a church

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pew and I felt this like unity of our family.

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I felt my children who were here and I felt my

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children who were on the other side in that experience

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of us all being there on the church pew and it

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like reconnected me to how grateful I am to be

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a mother. in this like profound way that's beyond

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just our human gratitude, but it was a very,

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very powerful experience. It makes sense to me.

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It's easy for me to believe. those kinds of things.

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Can you tell me a little bit more about the voice

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that told you to bring your arm in? Was it kind

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of hanging out the window or was it just bring

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it in tight to you? Do you feel like it was an

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out loud kind of voice or this strong thought

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came to you? It was very definitely a voice.

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It was very distinct, very specific. Was it external

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to me or internal to me? I don't know But I knew

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the shipping is even free too. When I tuned back

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into it, it has a masculine feel to it. And again,

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it was accompanied by peace, which makes absolutely

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no sense because of the circumstances of the

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accident. But I'd had a voice from spirit in

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the past. It wasn't the first time that that

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had happened for me. Certainly in that type of

00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:58.740
experience, it was definitely... But I'd had

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an experience, honestly, like 20 years before

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where I was woken up in the middle of the night

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and given very specific instructions of, you

00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:10.319
know, who to go talk to and tell them this and

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you're supposed to be here and do this. At the

00:23:13.660 --> 00:23:16.259
time I was, I was arguing with spirit. I was

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like, no, that makes no sense. And they were

00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:21.359
like, no, it does. And this is why. And I'd had

00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:24.759
this whole conversation in my twenties. And I

00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:27.480
was married at the time and I woke up my husband

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and I said, I just had this experience. I've

00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:31.339
got to tell you about it because I'm going to

00:23:31.339 --> 00:23:33.740
wake up and I'm going to be like dismissing it.

00:23:33.819 --> 00:23:36.819
But I literally went and did what that voice

00:23:36.819 --> 00:23:41.339
told me to do. And it was such confirmation that

00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:44.740
it wasn't just my imagination or something that

00:23:44.740 --> 00:23:49.279
I dreamed, but there was some validity to that

00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.890
voice and what the instructions were. Yeah, I'd

00:23:52.890 --> 00:23:56.390
had that experience off and on over the years,

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but I was very much in a religious construct

00:24:00.910 --> 00:24:05.289
where I looked at everything through a religious

00:24:05.289 --> 00:24:08.750
lens and I, you know, interpreted things through

00:24:08.750 --> 00:24:11.990
a religious lens. That voice that came to me

00:24:11.990 --> 00:24:15.369
that told me to bring my arm in, I mean, I remembered

00:24:15.369 --> 00:24:18.259
it. Immediately it wasn't something that came

00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:21.160
back to me later. I just I remembered it immediately

00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:26.299
You know the cars rolling the windows are being

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Busted out and crashing the whole thing right?

00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:33.720
There's a lot of noise Mm -hmm, and I don't remember

00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.180
any of that because I think that like I said

00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:38.900
I was knocked out pretty early in the process

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But it was more of like I just bring your arm

00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:45.400
in tight And I have no idea how I had the presence

00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:47.700
of mind to do that because that must have happened

00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:51.140
in within a split second. Okay. Here's a hard

00:24:51.140 --> 00:24:53.599
question because I'm going to ask you to do something

00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.799
that you said you couldn't do. You said you could

00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:59.859
not describe the peace and the love, but I want

00:24:59.859 --> 00:25:04.220
you to try anyway. You know, my gosh, I'm like

00:25:04.220 --> 00:25:07.119
feeling so much emotion right now and just going

00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.019
there because I was woken up. It's probably been

00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:13.859
two or three years ago now. I was woken up to

00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:19.099
this piece one morning and it was not just like

00:25:19.099 --> 00:25:23.359
an emotion. It was a physical experience. And

00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.559
that's why it's so hard to describe is because

00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:31.480
we don't typically have peace at the depth that

00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:36.160
it feels physical. We have a feeling around it.

00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:39.940
We have an emotional emotion around it. It's

00:25:39.940 --> 00:25:44.980
all encompassing. It's all just like There's

00:25:44.980 --> 00:25:49.180
nothing else. It's in that space where I'm face

00:25:49.180 --> 00:25:54.240
to face with Jesus with Yeshua, you know, whatever

00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.859
name that you want to put in that space, but

00:25:57.859 --> 00:26:02.559
it was all encompassing there was no Accident

00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:06.599
during that space there was no chaos in that

00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:10.339
space It was just like you're in this bubble

00:26:10.339 --> 00:26:17.019
of complete security, comfort, love. It's just

00:26:17.019 --> 00:26:19.480
all encompassing. I'm not sure if there's any

00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.119
other words to share that. But thank you for

00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:27.079
asking. Let's say I've never felt that and without

00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.500
having to go through an experience like you did

00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:33.579
or another NDE, which people try to explain this

00:26:33.579 --> 00:26:36.420
to me all the time. Is there a way that we can

00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:39.680
feel even a portion of that here in this life?

00:26:40.089 --> 00:26:43.390
Yeah, absolutely. I mean one of the best ways

00:26:43.390 --> 00:26:46.009
and I'm sure other people have shared this with

00:26:46.009 --> 00:26:50.710
you is just quieting, just having some space.

00:26:51.309 --> 00:26:53.150
You know, putting your hand on your heart can

00:26:53.150 --> 00:26:56.650
be really, really helpful. There's, you know,

00:26:56.650 --> 00:26:58.650
if you've heard of chakras, there's chakras in

00:26:58.650 --> 00:27:02.849
the hand. There's our major chakra, center chakra

00:27:02.849 --> 00:27:06.069
of our system is our heart chakra. When we put

00:27:06.069 --> 00:27:08.490
our hand on that heart chakra, it's almost like

00:27:08.490 --> 00:27:11.400
we're connecting a system. putting our hand on

00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:13.940
our heart and closing our eyes and taking some

00:27:13.940 --> 00:27:17.180
deep breaths and it's it's like a meditation

00:27:17.180 --> 00:27:22.359
and it's it's something that we can tap into

00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.000
when we put our hand on our heart we're asking

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.440
ourselves to drop into the heart and come out

00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:34.690
of the head and our mind is where all the Chaos

00:27:34.690 --> 00:27:38.009
and the activity is our mind is a tool and we

00:27:38.009 --> 00:27:41.650
we learn to use our mind in more Helpful ways

00:27:41.650 --> 00:27:45.630
as we meditate as we journal as we do these different

00:27:45.630 --> 00:27:48.930
practices that can help us be more balanced in

00:27:48.930 --> 00:27:52.890
our human experience But we're we're here to

00:27:52.890 --> 00:27:55.170
have a human experience. We're here You know,

00:27:55.170 --> 00:27:57.809
we're not here to sit in lotus position all day

00:27:57.809 --> 00:28:00.710
long and with our hand on our heart and you know

00:28:00.990 --> 00:28:04.710
chant or hum, like those are beautiful experiences

00:28:04.710 --> 00:28:10.529
that reconnect us with who we really are as light

00:28:10.529 --> 00:28:14.190
beings, as souls. All right, we're going to shift

00:28:14.190 --> 00:28:17.109
gears just a little bit. And you had mentioned

00:28:17.109 --> 00:28:20.970
something about angels earlier. Please take us

00:28:20.970 --> 00:28:24.009
down that road for a minute. Yeah, it's interesting

00:28:24.009 --> 00:28:26.309
when my first book came out, Miracles in the

00:28:26.309 --> 00:28:29.710
Darkness, was still very entrenched in religion

00:28:29.710 --> 00:28:32.710
and you know kind of seeing everything from those

00:28:32.710 --> 00:28:36.309
views and was seeing all the miracles but I wasn't

00:28:36.309 --> 00:28:41.349
connected to the angelic realm and then I Started

00:28:41.349 --> 00:28:44.769
to see 12s everywhere and eventually my daughter

00:28:44.769 --> 00:28:48.509
Carrie who you know, she's on the other side

00:28:49.339 --> 00:28:51.480
told me that she was the one that was sending

00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.660
12s to me, but it just, it opened me to angel

00:28:55.660 --> 00:29:00.480
numbers and signs. And Eric, I was not a person

00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.779
to like look for things like that. I was, you

00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:06.019
know, math was my favorite subject. I'm like

00:29:06.019 --> 00:29:08.880
linear, you know, that's all, that's all nice

00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.140
for everybody, but that didn't mean anything

00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:13.940
to me. But I was seeing so many 12s, I could

00:29:13.940 --> 00:29:18.130
not ignore it anymore. So I started looking up

00:29:18.130 --> 00:29:21.289
like angel numbers and I started exploring what

00:29:21.289 --> 00:29:24.769
all that meant. And in the process, I started,

00:29:25.150 --> 00:29:26.950
I, you know, I'd learned to communicate with

00:29:26.950 --> 00:29:29.390
my kids. I'd learned to communicate with my brother

00:29:29.390 --> 00:29:33.089
who passed away, you know, many years ago and,

00:29:33.089 --> 00:29:35.430
um, through a series of, you know, feeling them

00:29:35.430 --> 00:29:38.450
near and then being able to just kind of talk

00:29:38.450 --> 00:29:41.109
to them, writing notes and having them write

00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:44.279
back to me and so forth. But the angel thing

00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.519
was really interesting. I wasn't talking about

00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.339
it at all, but I had this, we were in Mexico,

00:29:52.420 --> 00:29:54.539
my husband and I were in Mexico on a trip and

00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:57.700
we'd gone a whale watching trip and on a little

00:29:57.700 --> 00:30:01.440
excursion and we were off the coast of Mexico.

00:30:02.349 --> 00:30:05.170
I was frankly grumpy. It was the middle of the

00:30:05.170 --> 00:30:08.210
afternoon. We were on a really dumb whale watching

00:30:08.210 --> 00:30:11.150
boat. I was really uncomfortable. We weren't

00:30:11.150 --> 00:30:14.049
seeing anything. And I was thinking this is literally

00:30:14.049 --> 00:30:17.109
in my mind was thinking this is going to be a

00:30:17.109 --> 00:30:20.650
dud of a whale watching trip. And I heard, I

00:30:20.650 --> 00:30:22.849
heard that voice again that said, Julie, you

00:30:22.849 --> 00:30:26.859
have angels. And when I heard that my energy

00:30:26.859 --> 00:30:30.640
just lifted and I just, I like, I just knew,

00:30:30.859 --> 00:30:33.980
I just knew that the angels were around and I

00:30:33.980 --> 00:30:36.700
began to say, and they always are, you know,

00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.680
sometimes we don't, aren't connected to it, but

00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.720
it's, they're always there. So I started saying

00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.099
in my head, like a mantra, thank you for bringing

00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:46.319
the angels close, or sorry, thank you for bringing

00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.640
the whales close to the boat. Thank you for bringing

00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.420
the boat close to the whales. And as I said that

00:30:52.420 --> 00:30:55.140
within 10, 15 minutes we were surrounded by whales.

00:30:55.380 --> 00:30:57.960
We literally had whales on the left side, whales

00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.240
to the front, whales on the right side, a whole

00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.160
pod of dolphins came and were swimming near us.

00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.319
And it was, again, it was like this out of body

00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.259
experience because I was so filled with bliss.

00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:12.160
Like that's the only word I can think of. It

00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:17.079
was just this magical. magical experience of

00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:20.039
having all these whales surrounding our boat,

00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.799
just bringing so much joy. The energy of it was

00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:29.079
otherworldly. The excursion guide said, we need

00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:31.019
to get back. It's, you know, it's the end of

00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:32.940
the trip. And as he said that the whale started

00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:35.940
to swim off and one came up and put his tail

00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:38.900
in the air and started. And I don't know what

00:31:38.900 --> 00:31:41.460
that behavior is called. And I know they're not.

00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:43.980
Consciously like waving goodbye this but that's

00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:46.539
what it felt like like this whale just came up

00:31:46.539 --> 00:31:50.019
and started Waving goodbye with its tail. It

00:31:50.019 --> 00:31:52.740
was just such a beautiful experience and the

00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:56.420
next day I received a message to start teaching

00:31:56.420 --> 00:32:00.000
about angels and so when I got back from that

00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:03.180
trip within a month I had started teaching classes

00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:05.839
about angels and connecting with our angels and

00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.680
that's a big part of what I do today is I want

00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:15.450
to bring awareness to the spiritual connection

00:32:15.450 --> 00:32:18.269
that we all have to the other side. We all have

00:32:18.269 --> 00:32:21.009
angels, we all have guides, we all have loved

00:32:21.009 --> 00:32:24.430
ones that are surrounding us who love us and

00:32:24.430 --> 00:32:28.009
are bringing us energy and wanting to help us.

00:32:28.269 --> 00:32:31.849
But we have to also ask for their help, we have

00:32:31.849 --> 00:32:36.619
to invite them in, otherwise they... They're

00:32:36.619 --> 00:32:39.079
kind of it's so funny because when I meet with

00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.359
clients and you know, I'm connecting with their

00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.420
guides and and I'm like, Oh, your guides are

00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:47.720
telling me that you like communicating with it.

00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.259
And I will see them like, clapping their hands

00:32:51.259 --> 00:32:53.819
like that. It's clapping their hands like they

00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:57.380
get so excited. When we make that connection.

00:32:57.940 --> 00:33:03.490
In fact, I saw someone who Is also medium talking

00:33:03.490 --> 00:33:05.609
about something similar the other day and she

00:33:05.609 --> 00:33:09.809
said our loved ones want us to know that they're

00:33:09.809 --> 00:33:11.910
Just a thought of I mean, this is the way I see

00:33:11.910 --> 00:33:14.869
it. They're just a thought away Time and space

00:33:14.869 --> 00:33:17.109
on the other side is just so different than it

00:33:17.109 --> 00:33:20.500
is here And if I wanted to come see you, Eric,

00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.680
I would have to get on a plane and I'd have to

00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.180
fly. And, you know, we'd have to go through all

00:33:25.180 --> 00:33:28.079
these mechanisms to be in the same physical space,

00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.720
but time and space on the other side is very,

00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.299
very different. And they don't have those types

00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:37.660
of limitations. I can be here talking with my

00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:41.660
daughter on the other side and another family

00:33:41.660 --> 00:33:44.339
member can also be calling on her at the same

00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:47.769
time. And it's, it's just. It's hard for us to

00:33:47.769 --> 00:33:52.089
understand, but it's, yeah, it's just different.

00:33:53.130 --> 00:33:55.950
Yeah. It's sort of like, I mean, everybody asks

00:33:55.950 --> 00:33:58.690
at some point, how does God hear everybody's

00:33:58.690 --> 00:34:01.869
prayers at the same time? That explains it a

00:34:01.869 --> 00:34:05.789
little bit. Now without going into a, you know,

00:34:05.910 --> 00:34:10.010
a week long class, I'm gonna have to give you

00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:15.050
a limit on this cause big question. How do we

00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:19.769
tap into those angels? And the other thing is,

00:34:20.090 --> 00:34:24.250
so you mentioned angels guides loved ones. Are

00:34:24.250 --> 00:34:28.130
they sometimes the same person or personage or

00:34:28.130 --> 00:34:32.130
being? And what's an angel? Is it different than

00:34:32.130 --> 00:34:35.730
one of these other things? Too many questions

00:34:35.730 --> 00:34:39.090
all in one mouthful. That's okay, because it's

00:34:39.090 --> 00:34:41.889
a common question. When we talk about the other

00:34:41.889 --> 00:34:46.949
side, I'm giving you my perspective and when

00:34:46.949 --> 00:34:49.130
you ask that same question somebody else are

00:34:49.130 --> 00:34:54.889
giving their perspective. The reality is. I don't

00:34:54.889 --> 00:34:58.630
know exactly i know what i know and it's kind

00:34:58.630 --> 00:35:01.769
of like that. That story of the blind man with

00:35:01.769 --> 00:35:03.690
the elephant you know what's an elephant and

00:35:03.690 --> 00:35:05.849
the one that's holding the air says it's a fan

00:35:05.849 --> 00:35:08.289
and the other one holding the tail says it's

00:35:08.289 --> 00:35:10.670
a rope and another one you know so they're getting

00:35:10.670 --> 00:35:13.750
a different experience so i'm sharing my perspective

00:35:13.750 --> 00:35:17.010
on this but my perspective on this is angels

00:35:17.010 --> 00:35:22.449
are. Divine presence their divine energy their

00:35:22.449 --> 00:35:27.119
large energies. When people see angels objectively

00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.780
and there are people that see angels objectively

00:35:29.780 --> 00:35:34.480
They show up in a form that we can relate to

00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:40.179
that in a in like a human type form but they're

00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:44.199
really energetic beings They have no gender sometimes

00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.340
they can show up as a female sometimes as a male,

00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:51.210
but they're they're energetic beings powerful,

00:35:51.389 --> 00:35:54.250
powerful, energetic beings. And they don't want

00:35:54.250 --> 00:35:58.750
to be worshipped, but they want to be acknowledged.

00:35:59.309 --> 00:36:01.809
And our guides is a little different because

00:36:01.809 --> 00:36:06.050
a lot of times our guides can be ancestors, it

00:36:06.050 --> 00:36:10.449
can be specific. Our guides are more people who

00:36:10.449 --> 00:36:14.730
have lived on the earth, who understand the earth

00:36:14.730 --> 00:36:18.869
experience, and can assist us in the work that

00:36:18.869 --> 00:36:21.670
we're doing here. and then we have our you know

00:36:21.670 --> 00:36:24.070
we have our family members we have our ancestors

00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:28.650
that type of thing so everybody has a team and

00:36:28.650 --> 00:36:30.730
so that that's a little excellent does that make

00:36:30.730 --> 00:36:34.170
any sense or is that giving clarity to that yeah

00:36:34.170 --> 00:36:36.630
i mean there's never going to be 100 % clarity

00:36:36.630 --> 00:36:41.050
at in this realm anyway exactly but yeah that

00:36:41.050 --> 00:36:43.530
all helps we put the pieces together we get from

00:36:43.530 --> 00:36:46.889
here and there and everywhere else before we

00:36:46.889 --> 00:36:50.139
go away Can you tell me a little bit more about

00:36:50.139 --> 00:36:52.840
David and Carrie? What kind of people were they?

00:36:53.860 --> 00:36:56.579
I would love to. And I also want to, I think

00:36:56.579 --> 00:36:59.059
I didn't answer your question about how connecting

00:36:59.059 --> 00:37:01.840
to the, you know, to the other side and connecting

00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.760
to our angels. So I want, I want to encompass

00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.260
all of that. So David. Was Dennis the menace

00:37:09.260 --> 00:37:12.039
for those that come from that generation and

00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.579
know who Dennis the menace was he was full of

00:37:15.579 --> 00:37:19.320
life. Everyone loved Davis David. He had this

00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:24.179
big smile. He had the big ears. He had he was

00:37:24.179 --> 00:37:27.719
playful and he still shows up that way. Very

00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:32.179
playful as his mom. I would wonder when he was

00:37:32.179 --> 00:37:37.059
going to grow out of the mischief. Because he

00:37:37.059 --> 00:37:40.119
was so mischievous but my mother -in -law used

00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.679
to say his spirit was bigger than his body and

00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:44.980
he just couldn't be contained and it was the

00:37:44.980 --> 00:37:48.659
truth. He was just this bigger -than -life presence.

00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:53.280
My daughter Carrie was just this very tender

00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.849
-hearted, beautiful little girl. And I mean,

00:37:57.969 --> 00:37:59.909
this describes both of them. They just loved

00:37:59.909 --> 00:38:02.869
everybody. They didn't meet strangers. They didn't

00:38:02.869 --> 00:38:05.329
meet people that they couldn't get along with.

00:38:05.690 --> 00:38:08.469
The one thing about Carrie is so often I would

00:38:08.469 --> 00:38:12.869
hear from her friends after she passed. And even

00:38:12.869 --> 00:38:15.489
today, I still hear from them. And it's been

00:38:15.489 --> 00:38:19.449
years. I'll get messages like, I moved into the

00:38:19.449 --> 00:38:23.530
neighborhood. And I didn't have any friends and

00:38:23.530 --> 00:38:25.989
Carrie befriended me. She was my first friend.

00:38:26.469 --> 00:38:30.070
I mean, this is the story I hear over and over

00:38:30.070 --> 00:38:34.409
again. She really was so like she would just

00:38:34.409 --> 00:38:38.710
wrap her arms around people and just would make

00:38:38.710 --> 00:38:42.309
friends with everybody. So that was very much.

00:38:42.699 --> 00:38:46.019
Who they were here and very much how they show

00:38:46.019 --> 00:38:49.840
up from the other side In that same same way

00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.559
when I connect with my daughter Carrie Her energy

00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:58.300
feels so angelic like it feels very powerful

00:38:58.900 --> 00:39:01.699
That on you know on the other side like we had

00:39:01.699 --> 00:39:04.480
if we have our personalities here, but when we

00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.260
go back to the other side It's like we go back

00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:11.059
into that understanding of the spirit world that

00:39:11.059 --> 00:39:15.139
higher vibration that higher just understanding

00:39:15.139 --> 00:39:19.440
of life and when it comes to like Connecting

00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.539
to our angels. You're the very first thing that

00:39:22.539 --> 00:39:26.079
we can do to connect with our angels is to believe

00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.460
that they're there. That's the biggest thing

00:39:28.460 --> 00:39:32.579
that kind of keeps us separated from that. A

00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:36.000
lot of people have fear around connecting with

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:41.059
spirit. But we all know what it feels like when

00:39:41.059 --> 00:39:48.050
we're in a place that feels I want to just very

00:39:48.050 --> 00:39:50.630
briefly share that I had this experience with

00:39:50.630 --> 00:39:53.289
a friend's son. I had learned to connect with

00:39:53.289 --> 00:39:55.829
my kids on the other side, with my brother on

00:39:55.829 --> 00:39:58.730
the other side. And I had a friend whose son,

00:39:58.750 --> 00:40:01.090
he was in his twenties, passed away a few years

00:40:01.090 --> 00:40:04.909
ago. And it was like about two weeks after his

00:40:04.909 --> 00:40:07.730
passing and I got into my car. I was out running

00:40:07.730 --> 00:40:09.829
errands. I got into my car and all of a sudden

00:40:09.829 --> 00:40:12.889
I just felt like he was there in the car with

00:40:12.889 --> 00:40:16.260
me. And when I felt that, I thought, I don't

00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:18.300
know what to do with this. But I did the only

00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:19.960
thing I could think of. I pulled out my phone

00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.619
and I just wrote down the messages I was hearing.

00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.139
And as I wrote down those messages, you know,

00:40:26.139 --> 00:40:28.820
again, like I just felt him there. And eventually

00:40:28.820 --> 00:40:32.219
I was able to deliver that message. But somebody

00:40:32.219 --> 00:40:34.380
asked me, and I wasn't sharing. It wasn't like

00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:36.380
I went around Eric and telling everybody, oh,

00:40:36.380 --> 00:40:38.500
by the way, this person, you know, showed up.

00:40:38.500 --> 00:40:40.400
Like, I didn't know what to do with that. But

00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.519
I did share it with a couple of people in this

00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.679
one. person that I shared it with, they said

00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.980
to me, what did it feel like? And I'm so grateful

00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:54.980
for that question because the truth is that it

00:40:54.980 --> 00:40:59.800
felt like it felt sacred. And I was so grateful

00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.280
that that person asked me that question because

00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.420
then it caused me to drop back into that experience.

00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.599
And what did it feel like? And it felt sacred.

00:41:08.889 --> 00:41:11.989
As I did grief work and I felt people's loved

00:41:11.989 --> 00:41:16.170
ones coming into the room It's such a sacred

00:41:16.170 --> 00:41:22.010
experience. It's a sacred experience to To witness

00:41:22.010 --> 00:41:25.949
other people's Process of grieving and healing.

00:41:26.250 --> 00:41:29.690
It's such a sacred experience to connect people

00:41:29.690 --> 00:41:33.409
to their loved ones and to their angels and guides

00:41:33.409 --> 00:41:38.829
it's it's just beautiful and so that's the That's

00:41:38.829 --> 00:41:42.329
the feeling to go into when you're connecting

00:41:42.329 --> 00:41:45.090
with the other side is to go into this feeling

00:41:45.090 --> 00:41:47.389
of like, you know, I'm only going to connect

00:41:47.389 --> 00:41:51.489
with that higher frequency with that higher light.

00:41:52.050 --> 00:41:54.349
And that's the purpose and that's the intention.

00:41:54.349 --> 00:41:57.750
And that's where my attention goes. Thank you,

00:41:57.750 --> 00:42:00.710
Julie. I know some people are going to want to

00:42:00.710 --> 00:42:04.030
reach out to you and we'll put your website and

00:42:04.030 --> 00:42:06.289
some of your other contact info in the show notes

00:42:06.289 --> 00:42:09.429
and description. It looks like you're all over

00:42:09.429 --> 00:42:14.070
the place, social media, podcast, etc. So we'll

00:42:14.070 --> 00:42:17.090
make it easy for everybody to find you. And if

00:42:17.090 --> 00:42:19.369
you take one last minute, I'm going to give you

00:42:19.369 --> 00:42:23.570
the final thought here. And that is, if you were

00:42:23.570 --> 00:42:28.590
speaking with a grieving parent today, what kind

00:42:28.590 --> 00:42:32.250
of message of hope would you have for them? You

00:42:32.250 --> 00:42:35.309
know, that's, that's a tough question, because

00:42:35.309 --> 00:42:41.150
in the beginning, It's so Disordering challenging.

00:42:41.650 --> 00:42:45.110
It's so heavy and in the beginning It's just

00:42:45.110 --> 00:42:49.550
like just allow all of it and recognize that

00:42:49.550 --> 00:42:54.570
it it just is what it is But things and this

00:42:54.570 --> 00:42:58.889
feels trite The emotions and the things that

00:42:58.889 --> 00:43:02.590
you're experiencing now will shift and change

00:43:02.590 --> 00:43:07.289
and allow it to shift and change And allow yourself,

00:43:07.369 --> 00:43:11.869
when you have those moments where you feel happiness,

00:43:12.090 --> 00:43:15.809
when you feel joy kind of peeking through the

00:43:15.809 --> 00:43:21.510
cracks of the grief, allow that too. And don't

00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:26.469
feel like you are letting anybody down on the

00:43:26.469 --> 00:43:29.190
other side. Sometimes we hold on to the grief,

00:43:29.449 --> 00:43:32.650
feeling like that's how we honor our loved ones.

00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.519
Grief is part of the healing process. We're not

00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.320
meant to stay there Love and joy is how we connect

00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.900
with the other side and how we stay connected

00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:46.320
with our loved ones And so we will get to that

00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.239
place of love and joy when we allow that to enter

00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.119
our life again But it's not an easy process.

00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.659
And so my heart goes out to anybody that's experiencing

00:43:56.659 --> 00:44:00.219
Grief and pain and in the middle of it. It can

00:44:00.219 --> 00:44:06.429
feel like there is no Island of hope or relief

00:44:06.429 --> 00:44:11.030
in sight But hold on because there is there will

00:44:11.030 --> 00:44:17.519
be Beautiful. Thank you very much Thank you Thanks

00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.940
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