Jane's NDE - She Saw Her Father

0:03 Merry Christmas and welcome to Round Trip Death and our last episode of 2025. Before we jump into today's interview, I want to extend a huge thank you to everyone that has sent Christmas cards. Will and I are feeling the love, thank you. If you haven't sent one yet, I hope you still will. It doesn't matter if we receive it in January or for that matter even July. We have a lot of fun receiving them. Simply address it to Eric and Will PO Box 771, Heber City, Utah 84032. I'll put it down on the show notes. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season, a happy and prosperous new year, and now enjoy our conversation with today's guest. Welcome welcome to round trip death everybody and this is gonna be so fun. We're going over to Scotland today We're gonna be meeting with Jane Dawson and oh there.

1:01 She is Jane. Say hello. Hey Lovely to see Eric and Hello to everyone that's watching Lovely to see you and we have a lot of people that listen to the audio podcast and a lot of people that are watching the video so you're reaching both and for those that are watching the video you have got to explain the paintings behind you quickly before we start okay well i'll just quickly explain this one eric this was done by i don't know if you can see picasso he signed it up here but from the spirit world not picasso when he was alive here and i believe that picasso painted this of me for me i have some evidence for that So it was painted through a wonderful trance medium called Jose or Jose Madrado who you can find on YouTube and he goes into a deep trance and these famous painters paint through him, use his physical faculties to cause these amazing paintings to come into being. This one only took 11 minutes. and Josie is just there with his eyes closed dabbing paints onto a canvas and he does a bit of this with his fingers minutes later this amazing thing comes out there are also lots of I do have four or five other ones here as well So the reason why Josie does this

2:33 is because these famous artists in spirit agreed with him that he could use their talents to raise money for his orphanage in Brazil for the poorest, poorest babies. So how I came across this was that I was attending a spiritual event in Aberdeen, that's also Scotland, and Josie was given a demonstration. and I had agreed to go up a night before with some friends and we went into an Airbnb and on the wall was the Dove by Picasso the Dove of Peace by Picasso so I said out loud to my friends I think Picasso's going to paint something for me tomorrow that wasn't being big headed that was just setting an intention I'm a big believer in that This painting happened and we had to all bid for the paintings and I had already bid for two previously so I only had limited funds and I was outbid by another lady so I sadly said goodbye to this lovely painting but about a year and a half later this lady called me and said that she had bought this painting for her daughter but her daughter didn't want it Was I still interested?

4:00 Of course, the answer was yes, as you can see here. I haven't showed you the bottom but Picasso... Picasso, I did believe, liked to ladies. I do feel with this painting that this is about over giving to people. trying to breastfeed the world, if you understand. So I know it's very possible for the spirit world to connect with us in this way and give us messages. And it doesn't matter when you receive the physical painting or the message, even if it's not at the same time. And sometimes it takes you a little while to work out what the message is too. For those that are not watching the video version of this, we're not going to explain what happens when you lean your head to the right a few inches. I should have briefly said it is a painting that Picasso from Spirit did of a lady's head and her shoulder and one bosom that she has on show, one bare bosom. That's like growing out of the side of her face. Okay, we really need to move on. We're going to be talking today about your near -death experience, discussing some interesting kind of philosophies about heaven and is it a specific place or is it a state of being or what is it we're going to get into that topic. But as long as we're talking paintings, hey take one more minute and tell us a little bit about you Jane so we get to know you a little bit. Okay, well

5:34 I love a Picasso painting and I want her to have one. So I am a mom, a gran, a grandmom, an entrepreneur, a spiritually impressed person I guess. A spiritual medium would be one way of describing it or a conscious channel I've heard it described as this. This is my passion in life, one of my passions in life, but really the main one I would say at this juncture. And I knew nothing about spirituality, I knew nothing about anything beyond this physical life until I had that near -death experience during the birth of my child that we are going to go ahead and speak about now. Let's jump right into that. Tell me what your life was like leading up to this childbirth because I'm sure it's changed since. Massively, absolutely massively. Before my NDE, I was a woman who was not happy in life.

6:42 I have been, I'm going to use the words cursed because I was cursed with lack of self -love or self -loathing and I've only discovered recently it really is a curse. Of course it's a generational thing and my family have discovered that too. It's also very much about the way we speak to each other and the genetics we have and the I guess the sensitivity in our nature all comes together and it can cause us to really not appreciate ourselves in fact to loathe ourselves and unfortunately that's where I I was from, I remember being initially from very young. So this caused me to make a lot of let's call them errors or mistakes in life, although we know that really it's only just another path. But anyhow, it caused me not to continue with my education. It caused me to get into the wrong careers. It caused me to get into disastrous relationships because I just grabbed at the first thing that came along. And then I had, I've got three beautiful children, but even when they come along, perhaps it wasn't in the best of circumstances. So yeah, a lot of mental and physical ill health was going along with that. And directly before this happened, I was a civil servant. I was in a new relationship, pregnant. I was 39 and the relationship was already

8:14 going downhill. My father had had cancer and just died. My mom lived next door to me. Of course, she was deeply depressed. And I had two daughters who were just hitting their teens. So, yes, it was quite a mixture of stress, depression and ill health. And how did your labor and childbirth go? Well, my son was my third child, so it was a completely different pregnancy. I thought I was going to lose. him and then the doctors thought that he may have a chromosome abnormality so we had that decision to make as well just before halfway through the pregnancy so it was very worrisome and that was not good given my current state of mind however we got through that we got to the day in question and i was laboring away in a national health service hospital. This is where in the UK you have so -called free medicine although everyone contributes to it. So the choices were limited particularly in those days and because I was an experienced mother I was certain I was going to have this baby right away. So when the anaesthetist came round I told him that it was too late for a spinal block and sent him on his way. Three hours later I was screaming for him to come back And in those days, that wasn't an option. There was one anaesthetist for all the

9:45 women that were in labour that night. So I basically had to get on with it without really any major pain relief. So I got to the stage where I just felt that I couldn't do this anymore. I was just so utterly exhausted in the mind, body and the spirit. And I just thought to myself, I can't do this. It wasn't even a conscious thought. It was just like a knowingness. I really can't do this anymore. And that's where some interesting things really started to happen. You know, it's been said that a woman in childbirth is the closest you can get to death without dying. Sounds like you were right on that door right there. And then you gave into it. I guess I did. Yeah, just I was finished with life. I didn't actually realize that at that exact moment, but about a year and a half later I couldn't eat I couldn't eat anything at all and I think it was actually a way of trying to starve myself to death because I lost about four stones in about the same number of weeks I subsequently heard a doctor saying that people at the end of their life don't want to eat and we shouldn't force them and something just a bell just rang with me that said you had given up you were essentially feeling like you're at the end of your life. So although incredible things happened during the birth, it took me

11:16 a while to heal from all the physical and emotional pain, suffering that had been going through. All right, well, let's go back to what happened next. So you're in childbirth. You can't you can't do any more. What happened? I just can't. The pain was excruciating. I just sort of felt my spirit. leave my body, and it was just bliss. The pain was gone. I was just like... And it was like total velvety darkness. I went, oh, this is lovely. Not consciously thinking those thoughts, but, you know, it was annoyingness. And just at that very moment, I encountered my father's soul, his spirit, that I thought was no more. Although I'd asked my father on his deathbed to always look after my son because I hadn't spoken to him about the fact that I was having a boy because back in those days I didn't know there was anything more than this life. I just didn't have that awareness. Or maybe I did somewhere because I did ask my father to always look after him so I must have had that awareness deep down. So, yeah, we just had this beautiful soul -to -soul meeting. I'm like, my dad's here. I don't know if I actually said those words out loud or just thought them in my mind, but it was like, it was just a wonderful miracle and just the feeling of love and contentment

12:47 and knowing that I wasn't alone. you know that my daddy was there for me well if you think about it at the time i requested him just before my son's birth the most dangerous journey a human being will ever take through the birth canal if you think about it the four inch birth canal where your head anyway we don't need to go into too much detail but there we go my father was there basically to fulfill my request to him when he was already in a coma. What did he look like when you saw him? Do you know what, Eric? It wasn't so much seeing or hearing. It was more feeling. And it was a knowingness. So if my father was sat right next to me in the physical plane, I would know him this much. But I knew him beyond time and space. I'm putting my arms right out to either side of the room here. It was a knowingness for eons and that was what was so beautifully comforting about it because that taught me so much not particularly even at that moment but subsequently at that moment I was just overwhelmed by the comfort and the love and then knowing this that that I was supported obviously my father from his perspective in the spirit world had thought to himself My daughter is in trouble.

14:18 My grandson's about to be born. My daughter has many paths ahead of her. She doesn't need to stay in the one she's on. And I'm going to assist her with this. Because you understand when we're in spirit, non -physical. Heaven, if you want to call it, all these words are sort of interchangeable to me. We know everything. We know all the potential past, we know lives, so -called past lives, future lives we've had together. We know your deepest desires and thoughts of the people who are still here. That stuff is just all known to us because we're all one energy. We're all one beautiful energy. Down here we think we're all separate entities wandering about, completely disconnected.

15:04 So the other thing I did come to discover shortly after my son was born and when he could start just when he started walking and talking part of my father is reincarnated in my son and I know this because my father at the beginning of his working life was a Glasgow policeman and as soon as my son was up on his feet and could utter a few words he asked for handcuffs and he asked for a baton and his father purchased these items for him which he then used in his father So that was some pretty good evidence. More than that, he looks like my father. He has the same eyes as my father and my son is now pursuing a professional legal career, which my father would have loved to have done. So that was part of everything that happened at that time and subsequently. What kind of communication was there between you and your father? I would say it was knowingness. It was a knowingness.

16:10 Was it like a conversation between the two of you? No. It wasn't like a conversation that we're having just now. It definitely wasn't that. As I'm talking to you just now, actually I am receiving further information and I've found this is something that happens. My father's telling me it was an infusion of love. So that's wonderful, isn't it? An infusion of love enough to make me... come back down to planet earth and continue what did you learn about heaven one of the main reasons that i i was having great difficulties with accepting that there could be a heaven or an afterlife is because i literally thought how can everybody fit in above the clouds and i'm not sure i'm not the only person who's had that thought think of all the millions of souls who have died and all the millions of souls to come. I'm like how can they all fit in above the clouds? Anyhow of course I was thinking with a physical brain about physical things. Now I'm aware that heaven is an energetic state of being rather than a place. Although in your perception you can make it a place if that's what you want. Heaven has no boundaries. In a way neither does planet Earth, other than the fact that we have a human body, we've got to work within those boundaries. So I guess the question shouldn't really be where is heaven, but what is heaven? Yes, it's a frequency,

17:41 an energetic state, and as again I'm thinking about it here, they're showing me all different, I'll say steps and stairs, but that's not the exact correct words, it's increments of it. So I do believe that my father probably came down quite a lot in vibration, increments, frequency to join with me. Maybe I came up a bit, he came down a bit and that was the space that we had our love. But for those who go to heaven, to the non -physical and stay there, I do believe it's just blissful and loving and absolutely everything that you would want it to be. I think those are key points, everything that you would want it to be. Perhaps some souls just want to be absorbed into all that is, just be part of that. Perhaps some souls want to be reincarnated, you know, partially reincarnated. Perhaps some souls want to be angels, guides, you know, keepers of Akashic Records, I've heard all that sort of stuff talked about as well. I must admit when I hear about records and contracts that's all very earthly stuff so I feel this must all be very much in a subtle frequency level rather than written out into paper books. Was there a time that you felt like you went back into your body after this? The baby actually was delivered

19:12 and I was still in the non -physical realms and the thing was I wasn't being monitored, other than they were down at the business end, if I can put it that way, checking what was happening with the baby's delivery. So I don't know what physical signs I had, if any, that this was going on. But once my son was born, the nurses were urging me to wake him up, pay attention, sit up, your child's here. And I was just still in this blissful state of bliss. Although I had a beautiful child and I love him very much and I was overjoyed to meet him, I think there must have been a reticence for me to come back out of this beautiful loving state where I was with my dad. My dad's energy by that time had just gently, you know, moved on again. So eventually I sort of came to and interacted with my darling son. Kind of beautiful, isn't it? I think you know it's very beautiful and I can feel it as I'm talking to you just now I can feel my dad and so many spirit people round about us encouraging encouraging the love to come through with us this story and I find this is what happens very much around me now when Particularly when I'm speaking to lovely people like you, to interviews and to people who are trying to spread the love

20:42 and spread the true knowledge, that there's an extremely strong spiritual healing come through with my words and people sense it. I can sense it. Hopefully the viewers will be able to sense it as well, whether they're just listening or whether they're viewing. It was so perfect. More incredible stuff happened once I got home with the baby. Okay. Well, let's move on to that. Let's talk about what happened after. So, if my father hadn't showed up at my birth, I would never be doing spiritual work now. I honestly believe I wouldn't still be in planet Earth if this all hadn't happened to me. I think I would be on the other side. I come from a family that is quite negative and quite depressive. One of my siblings has already passed before he was 60. One of my siblings can't live on her own because she has horrible mental health problems.

21:47 Another sibling is nearly crippled with back pain and his body's all distorted. And here I am, fairly, fairly healthy, expecting to live a long and healthy life because I have this knowingness, this understanding, this vibration so that was part of what my father did but when we come home from hospital he started backing this up causing physical things to happen in our home. Now do you know the medium John Edwards? No. Okay, so he's actually a very famous medium. He's a US medium. He was the only medium who was on TV 24 years ago. In those days, there was no New Age, there was no talk of angels, there was no talk of crystals, there was no talk of medium on terrestrial TV. or in the media very much either. So I had a satellite TV and this medium John Edwards was on. Now I was sitting feeding my child for at least half the day and I was watching John Edwards and then what he would say about his loved ones, your loved ones wanting to reconnect would then happen to me. He would say they will give you signs and he would say what the sign would be and then it would happen in my house to me. from my father. To give you an example of that, one night we were all sitting

23:18 in my home, I had the baby, my mum, my dad's widow was there, my husband at the time and my two daughters and the baby, even the dog, we were all there in different parts of the house and all of a sudden this beautiful smell of flowers filled the sitting room where myself, my mum, my husband and the baby were. And I said to mum, can you smell that? She goes, it's flowers. So I shouted down to my daughters, what can you smell girls? And they said, flowers. So the entire family acknowledged that there was a beautiful smell of flowers in the entire home. As soon as we acknowledged that, disappeared as immediately and as suddenly as it had come. I know that's a thing because I work with the spirit world and those on this side of life now. I know that's a common thing that the spirit world will do.

24:11 They will give an order or whatever. but strangely enough as I'm talking to you I'm hearing my father saying of course I gave you flowers you just had a baby and my wife was there and he's never made me aware of this before so thank you that was the start of it and then of course things would go missing and then reappear once she had hunted the house looking high and low for them and one of the most dramatic things he did when I was in the house on my own with the baby I put the baby on his little chair on the dining table he was fast asleep and I went through and made a quick cup of tea I came back through and the baby in his seat had been moved round to the side like someone had came and looked at him but moved him to get a better view I knew that was my dad I could virtually see my dad and his physical self doing that action So yeah, so now he had convinced me that something, some form of existence, continues after physical death.

25:14 And now he was telling me, look what we can do with energy on planet Earth. So there too, mighty big lessons. Yeah. How about other things in your life? You mentioned things were pretty rough leading up to that before the childbirth. After there, you said they're a lot better. What's been going on since? Well, I had to go on a journey of self -love along with my spiritual journey and that has been so healing. It took a while because I was self -loathing all my life and interestingly my mom just before she passed told me she never liked herself and my sister told me she hates herself so that's how deep it goes.

26:00 in our family, particularly with the women in our family. It's heartbreaking and it's an epidemic now. It really is an epidemic and social media I think is making it so much worse. Of course social media is not all bad. So I do believe that half of my raison d 'etre, if you want to describe it as that, is to teach about spiritual truth but also to teach about the truth of self -love. So it took me a while to become healed. I mean, you know, if you have self -loathing in your nature, it's like everything else in your nature, it lingers. It never is entirely extinguished, but you can do your best to overcome it with the tools and the spiritual beliefs that I had. So it took me a few years, but the relationship with my child's father, we stayed together until he was a bit older, but it wasn't a good relationship and we had lots of issues. He wasn't used to other children or... strong women or anything.

26:59 So that relationship dissolved. I was working with the civil service. I nearly got pushed out the door. So I left that after some years and I became quite entrepreneurial. I wanted to support myself and my family, but also to start working really purposefully with the spiritual world. So now I am an incredibly different person. So and woman than I would have been when I was age 39. People don't believe when I say that I couldn't even, like if you wanted to interview me, I'd have probably rather died than agreed. You know, I couldn't even speak to my colleagues at work.

27:43 I couldn't voice any thoughts and opinions because I thought they were always rubbish. So it was miserable. It was so miserable. But I feel a little bit sorry for my younger self, but also I can send love to her and I can see how far I've come and other people can see that as well. Did you have a lot of fear of death before your experience? Yes, I did. I really did. I was terrified and a fear of going blind and a fear of being in dark places. I remember, I remember when I was about 18, I had made the big mistake of getting married, can you believe that, 18, to basically get away from my mom because I thought she hated me I didn't know of course she hated herself so she was going to feel some kind of way about me So I remember when I was in a house with my new husband another disastrous relationship bless them all and I was just standing in the middle of the kitchen I thought if this is it this is life and then you just die and this horrible feeling came over me I suppose it would be grief and deep depression and fear all all mixed in one so yeah I was terrified of dying I was terrified of going blind and I was terrified of rooms where I couldn't see and I'll tell you another story about a gift my father gave me at a dark seance in a minute or two but what I learned the three

29:17 things I learned about my fears one there's no need to be scared of death I believe being in non -physical heaven is a wonderful, wonderful, beautiful thing. As people often say, including my old dad, this is your hell down here. You know, your brain, your brain can either be your best friend or your worst enemy and your life will follow your thoughts and your words and actions. Regards the fear of going blind. That's a thing that's in my genetics I discovered later in life. but I worried about it so much I ended up having a stroke in this eye and I thought I was going to go completely blind and when I was at the hospital in the middle of a crisis over this they told me I could I could possibly go completely blind that had me praying to God and asking him to give me cancer instead and I'm laughing at myself now but that is the fear I had of going blind and how that fear affected me. Because you can draw things to you, you know?

30:23 You can co -create or you can call it law of attraction. If you think, think, think, worry, worry, worry, enough about things they will come to you. It doesn't matter whether they're wanted or unwanted, you know? Yeah, positive or negative. Exactly that. The universe has got the same. You're thinking about that all the time. Let me give you some of that. You mentioned in a minute you were going to tell us something else, some other story. Do you remember what that was? Uh, was it about the seance? When I was in a pitch black room, sorry, a pitch black room? And my father gave me a gift? Yes. Okay. This was with another, that we were with, like a trans medium, who's also a physical medium for your listeners who maybe don't know that terminology.

31:11 It's a medium who works in the dark, which is always an issue to me, but anyhow, they work, and this particular man worked an absolute pitch black, and they're able to cause physical things to happen, like my father's energy had proved to me. But sometimes they're able to cause voices of our loved ones to come through, sometimes they can cause objects to move around, sometimes they can cause a ports. A port is basically where the spirit world takes an item from one place, place A, and deposits it at place B. So I was in this seance and it was pitch black and the medium who was running the seance says, is everyone alright? And I was holding down this rising fear and panic and she said, you have to speak now if you're not alright because once the medium goes into trance, this deep state of altered state you cannot disturb them so I had to say I'm not all right I have to leave so I had to leave the seance room and stand outside and after I did that I heard the spirit that this man's spirit guide who was talking through him say we're so sorry that lady had to leave the room because her father's here and he has a gift for her so of course I'm outside crying and going why why why did I let this affect me so much the spirit guide says we will deposit the gift

32:44 at the end please give it to her so after the seance was over the leader came out and she handed me this old coin which had Winston Churchill on the back who incidentally I have connected with in the spirit world and I'm like this oh an old coin well the night before the leader of that seance had done had been doing mediumship from like the platform what you would call gallery mediumship in the US and she had told me you're going no your father's talking about an old coin that must be in your possession and I said I don't have any old coins next night this thing comes so i call my husband and i say guess what i got a present from my dad and spirit and my husband was was an unbeliever i said but the thing is it's an old coin and we don't have any old coins in the house yes we do he says i brought old coins from my father's house and put them up in our attic so i didn't know this So what had happened, my father had taken this from our attic and delivered it to me in Aberdeen, a distance of 250 miles. And there's me standing outside the room crying because I couldn't bear the dark.

34:05 So that's quite an amazing story, isn't it? I still have that coin to this day. Yeah, but what do you make of that? What did that mean? What was the lesson there? Well, it was a lesson about the what's how the spirit world can affect energy on planet earth to me that's what it is it was a gift but it was a lesson because you see when i'm working with people given healing or when you're doing your thing you know broadcasting the love the spirit world is working with our vibration our energy to uplift us think about it this way is there a real difference between a coin being, what would be the word that I would use, disappeared and reappeared, a bit like Star Trek, what they used to do in Star Trek. And our human bodies and our minds and our brains being uplifted by energy, being healed by energy.

35:00 So I definitely feel that was part of the lesson. Same as this painting, they used spiritual energy, blended with physical energy to cause these things to happen as well. and that is an extreme. Things moving physically and appearing physically somewhere else is an extreme way of being made aware of the power of spirit. Have you experienced something like that yourself? I don't think so. Many people have. Many people find things like feathers in unusual places, perhaps find lights going on and off, that all sorts of physical things are caused. I definitely believe in the spirit world and that there are spirits or souls around us.

35:48 I don't really get into things that don't seem to have a purpose. Like something moving around to me doesn't have a purpose. There isn't a lesson for my life in that. I don't need that to believe something. So I think it just isn't a deal for me. Well, I understand that, but of course I've dived deep into mediumship. Yeah, I need your shirt is about providing evidence evidence to people that their loved ones are still around. Some people need it and bucket loads. One last thing before I let you go. So we're going to do two things. I'm going to give you just a minute to wrap up and give us we like to finish giving a message of hope for everybody out there. It's a rough world out there. And so if you would think for a second and leave us with a message of hope. And then for those that want to stick around after that, I want to learn more about the paintings. And so we'll chat about, we'll chat about that. We'll leave things recording, but people don't have to listen to that if they're not interested in that. So leave us, leave us with a wrap up message. Okay. So as you say, this life is a tough gig. I believe that you can either choose to make it a comedy or a drama.

37:11 So I have learned to definitely stay on the dra - I'm so sorry, on the comedy side, my life was drama earlier. If you laugh frequently, if you hold a high vibration, your life will improve so much, everything will flow and it will become much easier than you ever thought it could. In the words of my old dad, Your hell was on planet Earth, not anywhere else. Can't we make it something better than that? Yes. This life can be heaven. This life can be heaven. If you stick with the comedy side, if you laugh and you have fun and you stay high vibration and refuse to ruminate over your worries, over the past, over the future, stay in the present moment. know that we are surrounded and part of the spirit world and more.

38:05 We are the same energy as the angels so how can we hate ourselves and how can we not realize that we are truly powerful beings. Thank you. I wanted to make sure that was clear because this life doesn't have to be hell it can be heaven right here. Your brain's your best friend or your worst enemy we get to choose. That is so true. All right, Jane. Thank you so very much Thank you. All right I want to talk about the paintings for one more minute because I'll tell you what the one over your left shoulder it just Reeks give me attention. Give me attention. So I've had a hard time taking my eyes off of it and I figured out what it is Tell me it could be a portrait of you or it could be a portrait of You and Mick Jagger's love child. It does look like Mick Jagger. Yeah, a little bit. Maybe Mick Jagger and I were together in a previous incarnation. I don't know. Who knows? This was signed by Picasso. He doesn't allow José Madrado to sign. I have one by Van Gogh over here. That's so typically Van Gogh as you can see. They were done. They were done at the same session, they're completely different, and Van Gogh allows Madrado to also sign his signature. So that one was done in about 10 minutes, that one was done in about

39:39 10 or 11 minutes too. Now does he paint with his finger or with brushes? You mentioned him touching the paint. Yeah, he just kind of, he just think from it... From the viewer's perspective, we're all seated and he's stood up over the canvases and his assistants put one canvas in front of him, a blank one, and he does his thing. Sometimes he gets the brushes out. But remember, he's in deep trance. His eyes are completely sealed closed. His eyes are closed the whole time he does that? Yes, the whole time. Get out of here! No! That, again, is part of how the spirit world uses energy to affect things on planet Earth. I can feel Picasso so close when I'm even talking about him. And this is something that I'd like to say.

40:29 If you think about someone who's passed over, they will get your thought and they will come close. Picasso's here. He's talking to me about a little girl. connected with this painting so maybe maybe neither of us are bang on but if you could see it outside where i live currently i have black railings exactly it's actually black balcony exactly this design up here and also the colors here the red and the yellow are about your chakras your sort of powerful chakras and your creative chakras and then of course For those who are interested, there is a bosom right there. He's a character. Alright, alright. Jane, I appreciate your time. Thank you. We'll talk again in the future sometime, I'm sure. Love to. If anyone's looking for me, erikjandawson .co .uk or on all, basically all social media.

41:28 Yeah, we'll get that down in the show notes, so anybody can just scroll down, click on a link right over to you. Fantastic. Blessings to everyone. That was a wonderful conversation. Thanks again for listening and don't forget to send those Christmas cards. All the best to you and your family in this life and the next.