"I Was Pulled To The Light" - Sally's NDE

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

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And we have a very special guest today that we're

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going to learn a ton from. And that's Sally Reed.

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Good morning, Sally. Good morning. Thanks for

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having me. You're so welcome. I'm glad to have

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you on. We've worked a while to get this set

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up and today's finally the day. So here we go.

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And I know we had some issues with different

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different time zones. And that's OK. We've got

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it figured out now. So we're we're really grateful

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to have you. And before we jump into your two

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near death experiences, will you take just a

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minute and tell us a little bit about Sally?

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We don't need a full life history, but just so

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people can get to know you a little bit. Sure

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enough. I'm Sally. I am a woman of a certain

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age and I've been alive since the decade was

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five. And so I've been alive for a little bit.

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I've always felt like I didn't quite fit. There

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was something apart and separate. And so it was

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one of those picky or pick a career kind of people.

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So I have been everything from chief dog catcher

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of a metro Atlanta county. to exercise horse,

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race horse rider. I've been a swamp tech where

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I had to avoid copperheads and cotton mouths.

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I worked in factories. I've been phone worked

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on the phone, like being a secretary and stuff

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on the phone, calling and setting up stuff. I've

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even done voiceovers, but I didn't settle until

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I really, really embraced everything that I learned

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during my second NDE. It took me, I mean, it's

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like I kept getting knocked from career to career,

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wrote for the newspaper, you name it, I've done

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it. That's a good tease right there of things

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to come. I'm just curious, of all those different

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jobs, are there any that you would say, hey,

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I recommend someone try this or oh, do not do

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the swamp thing? The swamp was actually really

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fun. I mean, imagine this, you're rolling out

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of bed, it's summertime in Georgia, and you know,

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the cicadas are screaming and all. And the first

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thing you do is back a Boston whaler into the

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Savannah River and roll down the river to your

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test plot. The sun is just rising, there's steam

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coming off the river. It's gorgeous. It was beautiful.

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Yeah, every once in a while you step in the wrong

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place and you're like this deep in water, but

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the rest of it's okay. You know, except for the

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radioactive part. I was at this river plant and

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we were testing for radioactive changes in the

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plants and animals of the area. That's literally

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what the job was. The good and the bad about

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the job. Yeah, really. And you glow in the dark

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now and that's the good side of it. You're your

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own nightlight. I really did get lit up a few

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times. I did. Let's jump back in history. Back

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to those early early years. You were telling

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me something earlier that I find fascinating

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and I'm not sure what to do with this. And that

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is that you can remember things from when you

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were very very young. Give us a little explanation

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because that background matters on your first

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NDE. It does. And silly me you know like if you

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don't know any different you think everybody

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else is the same. What i do remember the moment

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in time. When language went from you know just

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let me know charlie brown type noises to actual

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words it's like almost a click and that happens

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around seven months i don't hold i was at the

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time cuz you know i couldn't do chronological

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time but. It was very odd to be able to understand

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language and then struggled to be able to speak.

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And that's what that talking is that babies are

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doing. They're trying to talk. So when you talk

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back to them and show them the sounds that they're

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making, it actually helps for them to learn.

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Another thing I remember is figuring out how

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to, to cruise, they call it, you know, to how

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to stand up enough to grab onto the couch. And

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it was a 1950s pink couch. I do remember that.

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So that stage of going from crawling to standing

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up and eventually to walking. I do. And that

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moment of letting go and then going to the chair,

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I remember this. It is so bizarre. Because I

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wanted to avoid sitting down hard or falling

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over and hitting my head. Because we learned

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through pain, right? It was a lot to understand

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that most people can't remember that kind of

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thing. No, I know that I can't It's funny you

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bring that up because this afternoon I'm gonna

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be watching my granddaughter who happens to be

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exactly in that phase right now so what is she

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gonna be thinking when she's standing up and

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she's going oh, I can't get over there yet, but

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Am I scared am I excited what's going through

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her brain? She's in discovery mode and for me

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personally I had a running commentary in my head

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with, what if I did this? What if I did that?

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I wonder what this is? Does it taste good? It's

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all questions of what and just full discovery

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like this, like almost as vacuum cleaner of a

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brain. Like, what is that thing? What is this

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thing? It's so curiosity driven and you'll notice

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that her attention will go From new thing to

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new thing if you make something new appear to

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her. She can't help it. She has to go to it It's

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really fun. And I do remember that just driving

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curiosity Yeah, I took her with me to Costco

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last week and I thought she was gonna get whiplash

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just Looking at everything. Anyway, we are so

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far off topic. I apologize listeners Let's get

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to this you were about three years old when the

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first experience happened Tell us what was going

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on what led up to it well, I was to have surgery

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as a three -year -old in the early 1960s and

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At the time they used ether on children they

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didn't have the intubation that they do now and

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evidently they must have given me too much and

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I I stop breathing. The first thing I remember

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in this, very classic to your listeners, is being

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above the scene and looking down. Like all very

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curious children, I was like, what are they doing

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to that little girl? I was looking at them. Other

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listeners may have said the same thing, I don't

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know. Then the next thing you know is the pull

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to the light. It's almost a physical pull to

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the light. And I do remember that going into

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the light and I remember the feeling of being

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safe and warm and protected and loved, you know,

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that feeling of belonging. It just felt so great.

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And then I remember being in the room, you know,

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with my grandmother who had passed away probably

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20 years before. That grandmother was there and

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she was telling me how happy she was to meet

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me and was telling me about the place and how

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it wasn't my time. And I do remember going, no,

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I want to stay. And she said, no, no, you have

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to go. Your mommy needs you. And I'm like, no,

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she doesn't. I do remember arguing with her.

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And then of course, the next thing I know is

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I've woken up from the anesthesia and I'm in

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the hospital bed and I told telling the nurse

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about it. And she was, yeah, sure. That happens.

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You know, it's funny because back then, 1950s,

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60s, whenever this was, this wasn't a topic that

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was talked about much. Most adults didn't dare

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tell the nurse or doctor, or if they did, they

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were told, don't talk about it. You're going

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to end up upstairs in the psych ward. With a

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three year old, I wonder if she totally believed

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it or just thought it was, Oh, what a cute imagination

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or I don't know, but I'm glad that she didn't

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try to squash those memories or, or what you

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were telling her. No, she totally believed me.

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Now, my mother, no, my mother did not. She stopped

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that thing cold, but this nurse is she, she talked

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to me like, well, of course that's what happened.

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That's really cool. We had a few months back

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we had on the show Dr. Melvin Morse who's a pediatrician

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in Seattle and has studied NDEs in children.

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What he does in addition to having them explain

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what happened to them is he gives them paper

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and crayons and lets them color. Did you have

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a chance to do any of that? I do remember having

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paper and crayons and coloring but I didn't really

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color about, oh boy, you have no idea how much

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it got shut down whenever I talk about grandma,

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because it was my mother's mom and she had passed

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away, right? So I did get shut down. Cause I

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do remember later on, I think I was like five,

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having a conversation with her while I was outside

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playing in the sandbox. And I came in and told

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my mother about it and that did not go over well.

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So you probably didn't feel like you could color

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it either or you were gonna kind of be in trouble

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It was like don't talk about it. Don't think

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about isn't not good This you get in trouble.

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Don't you know every kid knows this you tend

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not to do the things that get you in trouble.

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Yeah Were there any other details that you remember

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from that? I Remember we were sitting in Kind

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of a sunroom like I was not allowed to go fully

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into the garden I couldn't go actually in there.

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Grandma had me in this room, and I was like all

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toddlers do, wandering around the room, picking

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up things and looking at things. Then she called

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me in and had me sit on her lap, and that's when

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she told me I had to go. That is something I

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do remember. She pulled me in, and I barely got

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my, you know, the temper tantrum was going to

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start. Boom, I was gone. It was so instantaneous.

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Boom, boom. Just like arrival was, it was, I

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couldn't have avoided arriving. It was almost

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like suctioned up. And I don't know if other

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people have talked about that. There was no choice

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about it at the time you were going. Well, most

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people are actually given a choice. I was on

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the second one. Yes. Although some people have

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to be talked into it. Now you being a child that

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might make it kind of a different sort of situation.

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And a lot of people remember being put back into

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their bodies and can describe that feeling very

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clearly. My second one was very, very different.

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All right, we'll be there in just a minute. I

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have one more question before we move on to that.

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And that is, this set you apart from other children.

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Most children have not had an experience like

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this. So as a four -year -old, six -year -old,

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ten -year -old teenager, In what ways do you

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think you were different than the other kids?

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Well, one of the things that I noticed is I had

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a very keen sense of discernment that other people

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didn't seem to have. The bullshit meter was off.

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I could almost see the waves in people's speech.

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Another thing that was really different is, you

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know, like when the phone would ring, I would

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know who would be on it. Like the phone would

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be ringing like, mommy, so -and -so was calling.

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And she said, well, answer the phone. No. I'm

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like, why are you not answering the phone? Kind

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of a thing. That was different. My sisters, they

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would tease me about a lot of stuff. And so I

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would spend a lot of time like outside. because

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you know the veil where you can jump in and out.

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I could step out of my body. And so I guess people

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call that astral projection. But I was very good

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at escaping. I since stopped doing that because

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evidently that's not good for you. Don't do that.

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But I think those are some of the effects of

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having passed away so young that the psychic

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ability was off the chain, but it was also not

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discussed or accepted. where I was so I sort

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of you know spent a lot of time masking as if

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I were like autistic or something you know had

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to do a lot of masking. That's the main thing

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that that felt very different. So with your mother

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who didn't want you to talk about this is that

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because of some kind of religious background

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that she had or did she just think you were making

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it up? What was her deal? I don't know. And that's

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the true story. I have no clue. Okay. My mother

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was raised Catholic and my father was raised

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Jewish. And so we of course were Protestant.

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I have no clue how that happened. But they, I

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mean, we went to church every week. Mother sang

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in the choir. Dad was one of the deacons. You

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know, he was really super involved, but he was

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Presbyterian. And that's not usually a very vociferous.

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religion. I don't know her motivation. I don't

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know, but I do think it had something to do with

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the fact that I spoke about her mother in such

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a way as if I had known her. And I think that

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was very emotionally uncomfortable for her because

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she lost her mother when she was 14 and was forced

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to become the mother of her younger siblings.

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I can see how that could be difficult. Could

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also be comforting for some people To know that

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mother's okay and is there but but we're all

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different and have emotions all over the place

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All right. We're gonna fast forward to about

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1999. Tell me what's going on then One of those

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jobs that I used to have was a horse trainer,

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right? I used to gallop race horses But I also

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started horses and rode horses that were bad

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for Bronx, you know I was working with a horse

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that I mean, technical term was he was a shit.

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And he was a very smart one. And so while I was

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dismounting, he scooted out from underneath me

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and I flipped over backwards and landed in such

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a way that I broke three vertebrae in my neck.

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I mean, crack, crack, crack. And it was C3, four

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and five. And if you know your anatomy, if those

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vertebrae are disrupted, you have pressure on

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the nerves that help you have your diaphragm

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moving. So if you're unconscious and your diaphragm's

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not moving, technically you die. It's just guaranteed,

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you know, check. And so that's what happened.

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And again, this one was funny. I got out of the

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body, you know, it was like, oh man. And then

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I looked, ah, shit, not again. It was like the

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first thing I said. It was like, oh man, I did

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it again. I thought you were going to be excited

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to go back. I had the time I had two kids in

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elementary school. One was in kindergarten, one

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was in first grade. So they were babies. They

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needed their mommy. I had a six -year -old and

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a seven -year -old. The funny thing about it

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is when I looked down at my body, I was able

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to just say, oh, man, and begin to move in the

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direction I knew I was supposed to move in, right?

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And as I was walking through the barn, because

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That was where the light was at the end of the

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barn as I was walking through the barn I told

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you that I looked at the clock. It's hilarious.

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I did look up at the clocks and it's like 147

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and When I got to the end of the the light and

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I stepped into the light That's when all the

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choices started coming. You know, you have this

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choice you you can stay here or you can move

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forward and and it's sort of like the bargaining

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started having it was like if If you want to

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go back, then you have to do what you agreed

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to do." And I'm like, I agreed to do something?

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That's news to me. You know, I'm arguing with

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them. Them, right? And they're saying, well,

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yes, you have to go back and you have to teach

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the people and you have to let the people know

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the truth. And I'm like, the truth about what?

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And I just argued with them until finally, As

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I was going to say, well, forget the whole business.

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Then I remembered how painful it would be for

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my children. I knew that the children needed

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me, but I really didn't want to do that thing

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that they wanted me to do. Like, which is worse?

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The pain it will be for the children or the pain

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it will be for me? And what did a mother choose?

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I'll take the pain. I got to go back to the kids.

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As I was moving into my body, I could feel dread

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almost. There's like, oh god, this is going to

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be a hard life. You know, I just didn't want

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heard about them and I'd really appreciate it

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if you would support the show by telling them

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that we sent you. I got up and this is where

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the miracle really happens. Okay, so I got up.

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I had broken my arm and I had broken my neck

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in three places. C4 was actually broken through

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the foramen, like in half broken, right? But

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I got up and I went and got that horse and I

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took his saddle and bridle off and I put him

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in his stall with a broken arm. Then I went and

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I wrapped the broken arm with a wooden spoon

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and an ace bandage. So it was snapped at the

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ulna and radius at my wrist. And then I waited

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for the children to come home and I gave them

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their snacks. Yes, I had a ferocious headache.

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Yes, I was having like, ooh, I'm not really here

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moments, you know, like after a body is really,

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the inflammation was really hitting and there

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was a lot of pressure in my skull. And then I

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drove myself to the hospital after my husband

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came home. And let's jump to the serious miracle.

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The fact that It felt like somebody was holding

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my neck together, literally. Then the serious

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miracle is a year and a half later I got another

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x -ray on my neck just to check to see how it's

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healing and there was literally no evidence had

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it ever been broken. It was like none. It was

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healed completely. And they had done nothing

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but stick a neck brace on me and put cast material

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around it. Because at the time the doctor was

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too freaked out. You know that movie Death Becomes

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Her? He was having one of those moments in his

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office, but he'd be like looking at the MRI of

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my neck and then looking at me and going, how

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are you still breathing? And he did get quite

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upset there for a minute. Upset at you because

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you didn't come in sooner in an ambulance or

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what was he upset about? He was upset because

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I was still breathing and he was frightened.

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Okay. He couldn't figure out how I was still

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alive, presented to him in this office. So it

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just didn't make sense to him. So as a doctor,

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it's like, I don't get it. And I'm supposed to

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understand everything therefore. Yeah, that's

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it. Exactly. He kept yelling like, how are you

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still breathing? I'm like, I'm clearly breathing.

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I have a headache. Please don't yell at me anymore.

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It was. Frightening and then because of that

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and the weight of you have to do what we asked

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you to do and Every time I tried to not do it

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Our lives did not go my husband our lives did

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not go well at all Because I did try to avoid

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it for the longest time because it's been 26

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years 27 let's get a little bit more detail on

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this one Okay, you brought you brushed over the

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NDE pretty quickly itself Are you seeing grandma

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again? What are you feeling this time? I did

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not see any I saw the people with the clipboards.

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I don't know how to explain it, but the figures

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with the clipboards I don't know if anybody has

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ever talked to them about them. There are the

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people who are there for your moment of choosing

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You know that the time when you to see I'll take

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that life Yeah, you know that moment of choosing

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that I swear to goodness. There were three men

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in clipboards You know, like tall figures. The

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reason I call it the clipboards is like, they

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feel like the deciders. They feel like the people

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who are guiding. I don't know. They came back

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years later and said that, you know, you are

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to whatever. You are to do this thing and you

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forgot we're making you do it. They did come

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back and they still come back and advise. which

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is interesting to help me. Yeah, it's a little

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unusual. Do they have names? No, they're just

00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:05.930
the council. Yeah, they're just the council.

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Other people I've talked to know who I'm talking

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to, what I'm talking about. It's like people

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would have called them angels, but to me they

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were just figures in sort of this dark atmospheric

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thing. And the speaking wasn't, the voice was

00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.940
inside. I mean, I didn't hear it with my ears.

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I felt it. It was like, you have a choice. And

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then they went through what I was supposed to

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do. I'm still frightened. I can't speak about

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it without crying because it's too intense. Like,

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it still frightens me. I'm still avoiding it

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at what they wanted me to do. But they did give

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me quite a few things they wanted me to do back

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in 2000. And I avoided it and ignored it. Is

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there some of it you'd like to get off your chest

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and talk about now? Well, 2004, you know, I told

00:25:02.019 --> 00:25:03.400
you they came back to me more than once. They

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have come back to me more than once. In 2004,

00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.579
they came back to me and told me that I was to

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warn about the war that was going to be happening

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in 25 years. Everybody can do the math. That

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means we're three years away, right? Yeah. And

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I was supposed to warn about that war. I don't

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know what to say to warn about it because I shut

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it down. I'm like, who am I? What am I supposed

00:25:31.819 --> 00:25:36.759
to do? This is not my area type of thing. And

00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:42.220
so we agreed upon that I would teach what real

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spirituality is instead. Because I have an understanding

00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:50.000
of what Is it's not necessarily the truth, but

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what is in alignment? Because it's a lot closer

00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:54.940
to physics than it is religion. I'm just going

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to say that right now. And so they they meaning

00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.460
the council. I've never asked them their names

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other than the council. You see how nervous I

00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:10.940
am talking about this, right? They. They guide

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me and they help me teach in a way like I. have

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been given such profound truths by them that

00:26:24.089 --> 00:26:27.549
have been echoed by other teachers like Buddha

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and Jesus and other people. I've been given a

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lot of truths like that. That's what I've allowed

00:26:36.829 --> 00:26:41.230
myself to teach. I just wrote a book that is

00:26:41.230 --> 00:26:44.460
with my editor. And we are not talking about

00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:48.259
the truths, we're talking about a system that

00:26:48.259 --> 00:26:51.380
helps people find their own truth. Because everybody

00:26:51.380 --> 00:26:54.119
has to decide what their own truth is, because

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that's essentially what spirituality is, is you

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in relation to with your spirit and with the

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rest of energy in general. A lot of people talk

00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:07.400
to me about physics. And about frequency and

00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.359
vibration and those kinds of things. Is there

00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.140
any way that you can condense that into a good

00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:17.279
little lesson for us? Certainly. When you combine

00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:21.420
Newtonian physics with quantum mechanics, you

00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:24.119
get this space in between. And that's the place

00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:29.660
that all humans live. Meaning we understand gravity

00:27:29.660 --> 00:27:32.299
in a physical understanding. We drop things,

00:27:32.299 --> 00:27:35.990
they go down. But gravity... This force of gravity

00:27:35.990 --> 00:27:40.130
in quantum mechanics is totally different. It

00:27:40.130 --> 00:27:43.890
has an effect on how things flow, because gravity

00:27:43.890 --> 00:27:48.849
is time -space. Gravity changes no matter where

00:27:48.849 --> 00:27:51.789
you are in the world, where in our quote -unquote

00:27:51.789 --> 00:27:55.309
human experience gravity is Newtonian. You drop

00:27:55.309 --> 00:27:57.950
the apple, it hits the ground. And if you can

00:27:57.950 --> 00:28:02.349
find that space in between time -space and what

00:28:02.349 --> 00:28:05.759
we are truly Feeling physically that's where

00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:10.259
spirituality lives Okay I'm not quite sure exactly

00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:12.180
what to do with that, but I'm gonna let that

00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:15.779
settle for a little bit for a minute Are there

00:28:15.779 --> 00:28:18.500
any other details from that second experience

00:28:18.500 --> 00:28:21.019
that you can remember that you want to talk about?

00:28:21.380 --> 00:28:25.319
Things that you saw things that you felt Besides

00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.460
the three. What did you call them council? They

00:28:28.460 --> 00:28:30.799
were the council. Yeah. Yeah. What else did you

00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:36.039
see and feel? I felt a lot of fear, which is

00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.700
okay. First, there's the 1001, 1002, congratulations,

00:28:39.859 --> 00:28:41.799
you're enlightened, you're dead. There's that,

00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.599
I felt that. All the physical pain goes away,

00:28:46.059 --> 00:28:48.180
all the emotion goes away, all the struggle goes

00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:53.000
away, I felt that. But I felt so much fear and

00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.160
resistance when they were explaining to me what

00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:01.339
my task was to be. I don't ever remember agreeing

00:29:01.339 --> 00:29:05.220
to this. It was that level of the arguing. I

00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:08.200
remember that feeling of, how dare you put this

00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:12.559
on me? But not really in a how dare you feeling,

00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:16.160
because I didn't have the physical body for the

00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:19.640
being indignant. But my soul was like, this is

00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.920
such a burden. Do you not know what a burden

00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.480
this is? You know, kind of a thing. So the task

00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.140
you're talking about is spreading the word on

00:29:30.140 --> 00:29:33.579
that war or something else? It was something

00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:37.619
else entirely. They wanted me to stand up and

00:29:37.619 --> 00:29:39.599
heal the people and tell the truth. Those were

00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.619
their words. Heal the people and tell the truth.

00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:49.480
And I told them, nope. And here's an interesting

00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:55.819
thing. In 2006, I think it was. When the swine

00:29:55.819 --> 00:29:58.359
flu was going around, do you remember that? Yeah.

00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:01.740
I think that was six. Wasn't it six? I don't

00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:04.960
know the year, but I remember the whole, yeah,

00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.259
we were all worried about swine flu. We had never

00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:11.059
heard of COVID -19 at that point. Yeah, it's

00:30:11.059 --> 00:30:16.099
true. But I did catch the swine flu and I was

00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:19.460
actively in pneumonia in my bed. The council

00:30:19.460 --> 00:30:21.779
came to me and said, get up and go to the hospital.

00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:25.549
You're dying. And I said, good. Back to them.

00:30:26.029 --> 00:30:27.869
I was like, good, now I don't have to do what

00:30:27.869 --> 00:30:31.829
you asked me to do. Because it had been ongoing.

00:30:32.650 --> 00:30:35.130
They kept urging me to do what they wanted me

00:30:35.130 --> 00:30:38.930
to do. And you are allowed to refuse. Many are

00:30:38.930 --> 00:30:40.750
called, but not everybody answers. And I wasn't

00:30:40.750 --> 00:30:43.529
going to answer, thank you very much. And I was

00:30:43.529 --> 00:30:45.930
like, no, I'd rather die than do what you said.

00:30:46.589 --> 00:30:47.990
And I said, I'm not going to do it. And they

00:30:47.990 --> 00:30:52.809
said, OK, you don't have to. And I said, good.

00:30:53.019 --> 00:30:56.920
And then they said, we'll take care of it. Evidently,

00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.000
they're going to ask somebody else. That part,

00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.259
I didn't matter. But probably two to three minutes

00:31:03.259 --> 00:31:06.539
later, my daughter walked in. They sent help.

00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.440
My daughter walked in the room. At the time,

00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.839
she had a newly licensed driver. And she freaks

00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.420
out, oh, mom, you're blue. You're not breathing.

00:31:14.619 --> 00:31:17.420
And she threw me in the car and took me to the

00:31:17.420 --> 00:31:20.339
hospital where they did all the things to help

00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:24.190
me live. But I was ready that conversation in

00:31:24.190 --> 00:31:27.509
my head with them is like good I Will go ahead

00:31:27.509 --> 00:31:31.450
and step out for the third time just to avoid

00:31:31.450 --> 00:31:35.730
What I felt was going to be the persecution the

00:31:35.730 --> 00:31:38.130
ridicule that I would have gotten and I don't

00:31:38.130 --> 00:31:40.509
know whether it was because of my early Experience

00:31:40.509 --> 00:31:43.450
with my mother coming down on me so hard Whenever

00:31:43.450 --> 00:31:45.569
I would speak what was really going on inside

00:31:45.569 --> 00:31:49.109
of me or not. I don't know, but I did know that

00:31:49.109 --> 00:31:54.180
I flat was not going to talk about the guys with

00:31:54.180 --> 00:31:57.759
the clipboard. And here I am doing it, which

00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.920
is really hilarious. It's okay. Only about a

00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.859
hundred thousand people are going to hear you.

00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.500
Okay, cool. Yeah. I mean, I still have access

00:32:06.500 --> 00:32:10.160
to them and they still talk to me. Do you see

00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.819
them, hear them, or get impressions from them?

00:32:13.059 --> 00:32:17.539
All three. All three. Will you next time ask

00:32:17.539 --> 00:32:20.259
them their names? Tell them I want to know. Okay,

00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.339
cool. There was a time when we were watching

00:32:23.339 --> 00:32:26.539
we my son and I were watching Michio Kaku on

00:32:26.539 --> 00:32:29.099
the TV You know watching a TV show. This was

00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:32.079
way back When they were still constantly in my

00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.000
head arguing with me We were watching he was

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:36.940
talking about the the different strings He was

00:32:36.940 --> 00:32:38.339
talking about string theory and he was talking

00:32:38.339 --> 00:32:41.960
about 11 strings and how their strings and these

00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:45.200
they were in my head Literally rolling around

00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.799
on the floor laughing because he had gotten it

00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.230
so wrong they were explaining to me in my head,

00:32:51.230 --> 00:32:54.470
you know, like how there are nine strings and

00:32:54.470 --> 00:32:56.430
what they were. And I wish I had written it all

00:32:56.430 --> 00:33:00.009
down, but I do know that, okay, there's the first

00:33:00.009 --> 00:33:01.569
dimension, the second dimension, third dimension.

00:33:01.589 --> 00:33:03.029
We live in the third dimension. Then there's

00:33:03.029 --> 00:33:05.190
the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is

00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:12.589
the space in between the space time and the continuation

00:33:12.589 --> 00:33:15.349
of all that is, right? Those are the words that

00:33:15.349 --> 00:33:17.799
I had for it as a kid. So I'm sorry. The fourth

00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:19.500
dimension is where people see and hear and talk

00:33:19.500 --> 00:33:21.940
to ghosts, right? And then there's the fifth

00:33:21.940 --> 00:33:24.079
dimension, the sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth.

00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:28.440
And ninth, at that ninth level, that's the God

00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.599
particle. That is the space where all intersect

00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:35.299
and become one. And that's what they were explaining

00:33:35.299 --> 00:33:37.299
to me. And this is the kind of information they

00:33:37.299 --> 00:33:40.000
had all the time. And they still do if I sit

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.420
and connect with them again. They know stuff.

00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.859
It's amazing what they know. Oh, they should.

00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:49.579
Yeah, they should know everything pretty much.

00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.140
I wanted to touch on just a couple of sort of

00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:56.319
interesting things before we finish up here.

00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.539
One is you mentioned feeling a lot of fear during

00:33:59.539 --> 00:34:04.000
your NDE. That's a very unusual thing. Did you

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:08.679
also feel other emotions like love or guilt or

00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:12.619
anything else? The fear was for my physical body

00:34:12.619 --> 00:34:16.059
in the future. It wasn't in the space of moment,

00:34:16.420 --> 00:34:19.079
you know, it was like it was anticipatory fear.

00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.739
You know, like when somebody asks you to do something

00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:24.679
that you know isn't going to be fun or pleasant,

00:34:24.820 --> 00:34:29.239
it's that anticipatory dread fear. Did I feel

00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.480
love? I felt relief. That was the first thing

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.019
I felt was, ah, thank you. Struggle over, thank

00:34:36.019 --> 00:34:40.699
you, check. And, you know, off we go. And then

00:34:40.699 --> 00:34:46.690
the next emotion I felt Was the piece it's that

00:34:46.690 --> 00:34:50.449
What I call neutral and it's what I teach. It's

00:34:50.449 --> 00:34:53.949
that it's that bliss of Not having enough not

00:34:53.949 --> 00:34:57.110
having a down but being at zero point It's that

00:34:57.110 --> 00:34:59.250
and a lot of people talk about the piece But

00:34:59.250 --> 00:35:01.389
there is a way to achieve it in your physical

00:35:01.389 --> 00:35:04.510
body if you get into neutral and we do achieve

00:35:04.510 --> 00:35:07.949
it Whenever we fall in love. There's moments

00:35:07.949 --> 00:35:10.949
of neutrality When we when we hold our child

00:35:10.949 --> 00:35:13.300
for the first time That's a moment of neutrality.

00:35:13.820 --> 00:35:17.300
You know, there are ways to achieve that. And

00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:21.239
that's the zero point. It's where we have no

00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.880
upper limit and we have no lower limit. We are

00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:28.219
existing out of space and time. Make sense? Yeah,

00:35:28.219 --> 00:35:30.480
because most people can't describe it that well.

00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.019
And that's an interesting description. One of

00:35:33.019 --> 00:35:35.659
the other things that I wanted to touch on is

00:35:36.490 --> 00:35:41.210
I'm, I'm a huge believer in freedom of choice

00:35:41.210 --> 00:35:45.050
or agency or whatever we want to call it. And

00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:48.730
it's interesting how you used yours. You know,

00:35:48.829 --> 00:35:50.710
sort of like we've got this mission for you.

00:35:50.869 --> 00:35:52.650
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going

00:35:52.650 --> 00:35:56.230
to do that. Most people seem in their NDEs only

00:35:56.230 --> 00:35:59.550
experience it with a choice of coming back here

00:35:59.550 --> 00:36:05.070
or not. And nearly everybody. except for you

00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:08.309
as a child and a few others, are given a choice.

00:36:08.750 --> 00:36:11.650
They sometimes say no at first, but then they're

00:36:11.650 --> 00:36:14.510
talked into it, but it still becomes their choice

00:36:14.510 --> 00:36:18.369
at some point. How do you feel about this whole

00:36:18.369 --> 00:36:22.590
concept of agency? Oh, I believe in the agency

00:36:22.590 --> 00:36:26.389
completely. You can remember that because of

00:36:26.389 --> 00:36:30.050
the first NDE, I believe that I had a bleeding

00:36:30.050 --> 00:36:32.590
of memories from previous lifetimes, deaths and

00:36:32.590 --> 00:36:35.590
lives. According to my parents, I was very confused

00:36:35.590 --> 00:36:37.610
about whether or not I was a boy or a girl, because

00:36:37.610 --> 00:36:40.489
all my memories are of being a little boy, because

00:36:40.489 --> 00:36:44.449
that's what I had been. I'm wondering in this

00:36:44.449 --> 00:36:47.030
new day and age, would somebody have forced me

00:36:47.030 --> 00:36:49.769
to live as a boy, because I'm a married woman

00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:55.289
and I'm completely female now. But my early memories

00:36:55.289 --> 00:36:58.030
were of being a little boy, and so I was identifying

00:36:58.030 --> 00:37:01.349
as a little boy for some reason. I mean, my previous

00:37:01.349 --> 00:37:04.260
lifetime. Was of a little boy and so there was

00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:06.780
a lot of I wanted to play with the little boys,

00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.760
you know I wanted to play army men with them.

00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.500
I wanted to do little boy stuff and Then later

00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:16.380
on they sort of forced me into becoming a girl

00:37:16.380 --> 00:37:18.519
This is back in the days when girls had to wear

00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.760
dresses to school and all those Other things

00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.619
it wasn't you weren't allowed to wear pants.

00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:25.880
It's hard to believe folks, but that was the

00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.380
truth and There was a railroading of me becoming

00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:34.099
a girl And me, you know, subconsciously fighting

00:37:34.099 --> 00:37:37.719
again, I'm not a girl. But then later when puberty

00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:41.199
hit, oh, of course I'm a girl. No problem. Sure.

00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:43.820
I'll be a girl. I mean, painted fingernails and

00:37:43.820 --> 00:37:48.420
all. I'm a girl. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to

00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:51.480
the next stage. And that is you learn so much

00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.699
from all of this. How has it affected your life

00:37:54.699 --> 00:37:57.000
since then you mentioned early on you'd been

00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.340
through all these different careers now You're

00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:02.920
finally settled on something Tell me how it's

00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.880
all coming together for you well since 2010 I

00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.719
have been helping first individually and Then

00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.480
now in groups. I've been helping people sort

00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.820
of make sense of their own journeys is the best

00:38:18.820 --> 00:38:22.179
way to explain it everybody Guess a certain point

00:38:22.179 --> 00:38:24.739
in their lives where they stop being a victim

00:38:24.739 --> 00:38:26.579
of their life and they want to try to understand

00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:30.300
some sort of agency over their lives. And there

00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:32.179
are a million people out there teaching that

00:38:32.179 --> 00:38:34.619
and some of them more successfully than others

00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:37.099
you know like that i will say right now that

00:38:37.099 --> 00:38:40.199
for many people that idea of taking it to make

00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.340
it. Does backfire to me it is like trying to

00:38:45.340 --> 00:38:48.079
paint over grease stains it will be through eventually.

00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:52.400
And so what I do is I help people align with

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:56.139
who they are so they don't have to fake it till

00:38:56.139 --> 00:39:00.639
they make it through a series of things that

00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.079
the council taught me. And their whole thing

00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:05.960
is they want people to make friends with themselves

00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:10.079
so the world can be a friendlier place. In the

00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.119
council's teachings, they're saying that 100

00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:18.369
% of the problem with this world's War like behavior

00:39:18.369 --> 00:39:23.429
and cruelty is that people don't feel Comfortable

00:39:23.429 --> 00:39:26.869
or happy inside so they want to share how uncomfortable

00:39:26.869 --> 00:39:30.630
and dissatisfied they are and Fearful they are

00:39:30.630 --> 00:39:33.449
by hurting other people and so they're trying

00:39:33.449 --> 00:39:37.170
to change it this way Sounds like you're at peace

00:39:37.170 --> 00:39:41.050
with all that now. Oh, yeah, I can I can teach

00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.519
But I did not want to be a prophet They literally

00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.900
said the words you were to be like Ezekiel and

00:39:46.900 --> 00:39:50.780
I know thank you I will not be Ezekiel if you

00:39:50.780 --> 00:39:53.039
don't mind Do you ever think about the other

00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.280
person that they gave all this responsibility

00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.900
to since you turned it down? I Haven't heard

00:39:58.900 --> 00:40:02.940
have you heard of them? No, but somebody somewhere

00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:06.179
is probably in that situation going I don't know

00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:08.159
what to do with this burden. We'll figure this

00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.650
out Kind of a kind of a Moses type of person

00:40:11.650 --> 00:40:15.050
here Yeah, I want to tell you something real

00:40:15.050 --> 00:40:20.349
quick. I did try I went to go speak I went to

00:40:20.349 --> 00:40:23.829
Jimmy Carter's 80th birthday party and I spoke

00:40:23.829 --> 00:40:28.489
with Jimmy Carter's preacher from his church

00:40:28.489 --> 00:40:31.349
and we had like a two -hour conversation on this

00:40:31.349 --> 00:40:36.269
and I shared my information with him and So I

00:40:36.269 --> 00:40:41.719
felt like job done I did it. He didn't curse

00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.940
me, you know, Beelzebub or any of that. He didn't.

00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:47.519
He just, you know, like I have a message and

00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.980
here it is. And I sat and spoke with him for

00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:53.159
like two hours. I didn't tell Mr. Carter I came

00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:56.480
this close, but I thought since the preacher

00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.099
and Mr. Carter were such very close friends that

00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:02.300
he would speak. Yeah. Let it go through him.

00:41:02.739 --> 00:41:05.820
Okay. How much fear of death do you have? Zero.

00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:10.389
Nada. Zip. And if anyone wants to get a hold

00:41:10.389 --> 00:41:13.510
of you, do you want to put something I put in

00:41:13.510 --> 00:41:15.989
the show notes or something? How do people reach

00:41:15.989 --> 00:41:20.010
out to you? Sure. I have a website. It's sallyreid

00:41:20.010 --> 00:41:27.670
.com. I also have a TikTok and Instagram and

00:41:27.670 --> 00:41:32.550
Facebook and they're all at blisslife underscore

00:41:32.550 --> 00:41:36.929
coach. Blisslife coach. Okay. All right, Miss

00:41:36.929 --> 00:41:39.969
Blisslife, I'm going to give you one minute to

00:41:39.969 --> 00:41:42.809
leave us with some kind of a beautiful message

00:41:42.809 --> 00:41:49.750
of hope today. Yeah, when I was helping my parents

00:41:49.750 --> 00:41:54.989
and my husband's father pass away, the one thing

00:41:54.989 --> 00:41:59.289
their soul was concerned about was the pain of

00:41:59.289 --> 00:42:03.690
judgment. All of them. They were so terrified

00:42:03.690 --> 00:42:08.429
of the pain of judgment. I can say number one,

00:42:08.449 --> 00:42:14.230
it doesn't hurt. And number two, it's not a test.

00:42:15.349 --> 00:42:20.250
It's more of a welcoming home and let us help

00:42:20.250 --> 00:42:26.090
you understand what's next. Because as I called

00:42:26.090 --> 00:42:28.489
it as a child, the next place, I did call the

00:42:28.489 --> 00:42:31.860
next place. The next place is the place where

00:42:31.860 --> 00:42:35.880
we get to understand. This place is where we

00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.019
get to screw up. And the next place is the place

00:42:39.019 --> 00:42:42.000
where you get to understand what's actually going

00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.500
on. So if you've been searching your whole life

00:42:44.500 --> 00:42:48.860
to figure out what's going on, you'll find out

00:42:48.860 --> 00:42:51.780
in the next place. Beautifully said. Thank you,

00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:56.780
Sally. Until we meet in the next place. Thanks

00:42:56.780 --> 00:42:59.179
again for listening and sharing this podcast.

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