"I Was Pulled To The Light" - Sally's NDE

0:03 From the time that they pronounced me that was a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I could see people screaming and crying But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else The only thing that I could feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. And we have a very special guest today that we're going to learn a ton from. And that's Sally Reed.

0:47 Good morning, Sally. Good morning. Thanks for having me. You're so welcome. I'm glad to have you on. We've worked a while to get this set up and today's finally the day. So here we go. And I know we had some issues with different different time zones. And that's OK. We've got it figured out now. So we're we're really grateful to have you. And before we jump into your two near death experiences, will you take just a minute and tell us a little bit about Sally? We don't need a full life history, but just so people can get to know you a little bit. Sure enough. I'm Sally. I am a woman of a certain age and I've been alive since the decade was five. And so I've been alive for a little bit.

1:40 I've always felt like I didn't quite fit. There was something apart and separate. And so it was one of those picky or pick a career kind of people. So I have been everything from chief dog catcher of a metro Atlanta county. to exercise horse, race horse rider. I've been a swamp tech where I had to avoid copperheads and cotton mouths. I worked in factories. I've been phone worked on the phone, like being a secretary and stuff on the phone, calling and setting up stuff. I've even done voiceovers, but I didn't settle until I really, really embraced everything that I learned during my second NDE. It took me, I mean, it's like I kept getting knocked from career to career, wrote for the newspaper, you name it, I've done it. That's a good tease right there of things to come. I'm just curious, of all those different jobs, are there any that you would say, hey, I recommend someone try this or oh, do not do the swamp thing? The swamp was actually really fun. I mean, imagine this, you're rolling out of bed, it's summertime in Georgia, and you know, the cicadas are screaming and all. And the first thing you do is back a Boston whaler into the Savannah River and roll down the river to your test plot. The sun is just rising, there's steam

3:13 coming off the river. It's gorgeous. It was beautiful. Yeah, every once in a while you step in the wrong place and you're like this deep in water, but the rest of it's okay. You know, except for the radioactive part. I was at this river plant and we were testing for radioactive changes in the plants and animals of the area. That's literally what the job was. The good and the bad about the job. Yeah, really. And you glow in the dark now and that's the good side of it. You're your own nightlight. I really did get lit up a few times. I did. Let's jump back in history. Back to those early early years. You were telling me something earlier that I find fascinating and I'm not sure what to do with this. And that is that you can remember things from when you were very very young. Give us a little explanation because that background matters on your first NDE. It does. And silly me you know like if you don't know any different you think everybody else is the same. What i do remember the moment in time. When language went from you know just let me know charlie brown type noises to actual words it's like almost a click and that happens around seven months i don't hold i was at the time cuz you know i couldn't do chronological time but. It was very odd to be able to understand language and then struggled to be able to speak.

4:41 And that's what that talking is that babies are doing. They're trying to talk. So when you talk back to them and show them the sounds that they're making, it actually helps for them to learn. Another thing I remember is figuring out how to, to cruise, they call it, you know, to how to stand up enough to grab onto the couch. And it was a 1950s pink couch. I do remember that. So that stage of going from crawling to standing up and eventually to walking. I do. And that moment of letting go and then going to the chair, I remember this. It is so bizarre. Because I wanted to avoid sitting down hard or falling over and hitting my head. Because we learned through pain, right? It was a lot to understand that most people can't remember that kind of thing. No, I know that I can't It's funny you bring that up because this afternoon I'm gonna be watching my granddaughter who happens to be exactly in that phase right now so what is she gonna be thinking when she's standing up and she's going oh, I can't get over there yet, but Am I scared am I excited what's going through her brain? She's in discovery mode and for me personally I had a running commentary in my head with, what if I did this? What if I did that?

6:05 I wonder what this is? Does it taste good? It's all questions of what and just full discovery like this, like almost as vacuum cleaner of a brain. Like, what is that thing? What is this thing? It's so curiosity driven and you'll notice that her attention will go From new thing to new thing if you make something new appear to her. She can't help it. She has to go to it It's really fun. And I do remember that just driving curiosity Yeah, I took her with me to Costco last week and I thought she was gonna get whiplash just Looking at everything. Anyway, we are so far off topic. I apologize listeners Let's get to this you were about three years old when the first experience happened Tell us what was going on what led up to it well, I was to have surgery as a three -year -old in the early 1960s and At the time they used ether on children they didn't have the intubation that they do now and evidently they must have given me too much and I I stop breathing. The first thing I remember in this, very classic to your listeners, is being above the scene and looking down. Like all very curious children, I was like, what are they doing to that little girl? I was looking at them. Other listeners may have said the same thing, I don't know. Then the next thing you know is the pull

7:37 to the light. It's almost a physical pull to the light. And I do remember that going into the light and I remember the feeling of being safe and warm and protected and loved, you know, that feeling of belonging. It just felt so great. And then I remember being in the room, you know, with my grandmother who had passed away probably 20 years before. That grandmother was there and she was telling me how happy she was to meet me and was telling me about the place and how it wasn't my time. And I do remember going, no, I want to stay. And she said, no, no, you have to go. Your mommy needs you. And I'm like, no, she doesn't. I do remember arguing with her.

8:29 And then of course, the next thing I know is I've woken up from the anesthesia and I'm in the hospital bed and I told telling the nurse about it. And she was, yeah, sure. That happens. You know, it's funny because back then, 1950s, 60s, whenever this was, this wasn't a topic that was talked about much. Most adults didn't dare tell the nurse or doctor, or if they did, they were told, don't talk about it. You're going to end up upstairs in the psych ward. With a three year old, I wonder if she totally believed it or just thought it was, Oh, what a cute imagination or I don't know, but I'm glad that she didn't try to squash those memories or, or what you were telling her. No, she totally believed me.

9:18 Now, my mother, no, my mother did not. She stopped that thing cold, but this nurse is she, she talked to me like, well, of course that's what happened. That's really cool. We had a few months back we had on the show Dr. Melvin Morse who's a pediatrician in Seattle and has studied NDEs in children. What he does in addition to having them explain what happened to them is he gives them paper and crayons and lets them color. Did you have a chance to do any of that? I do remember having paper and crayons and coloring but I didn't really color about, oh boy, you have no idea how much it got shut down whenever I talk about grandma, because it was my mother's mom and she had passed away, right? So I did get shut down. Cause I do remember later on, I think I was like five, having a conversation with her while I was outside playing in the sandbox. And I came in and told my mother about it and that did not go over well.

10:20 So you probably didn't feel like you could color it either or you were gonna kind of be in trouble It was like don't talk about it. Don't think about isn't not good This you get in trouble. Don't you know every kid knows this you tend not to do the things that get you in trouble. Yeah Were there any other details that you remember from that? I Remember we were sitting in Kind of a sunroom like I was not allowed to go fully into the garden I couldn't go actually in there. Grandma had me in this room, and I was like all toddlers do, wandering around the room, picking up things and looking at things. Then she called me in and had me sit on her lap, and that's when she told me I had to go. That is something I do remember. She pulled me in, and I barely got my, you know, the temper tantrum was going to start. Boom, I was gone. It was so instantaneous.

11:14 Boom, boom. Just like arrival was, it was, I couldn't have avoided arriving. It was almost like suctioned up. And I don't know if other people have talked about that. There was no choice about it at the time you were going. Well, most people are actually given a choice. I was on the second one. Yes. Although some people have to be talked into it. Now you being a child that might make it kind of a different sort of situation. And a lot of people remember being put back into their bodies and can describe that feeling very clearly. My second one was very, very different.

11:54 All right, we'll be there in just a minute. I have one more question before we move on to that. And that is, this set you apart from other children. Most children have not had an experience like this. So as a four -year -old, six -year -old, ten -year -old teenager, In what ways do you think you were different than the other kids? Well, one of the things that I noticed is I had a very keen sense of discernment that other people didn't seem to have. The bullshit meter was off. I could almost see the waves in people's speech. Another thing that was really different is, you know, like when the phone would ring, I would know who would be on it. Like the phone would be ringing like, mommy, so -and -so was calling.

12:44 And she said, well, answer the phone. No. I'm like, why are you not answering the phone? Kind of a thing. That was different. My sisters, they would tease me about a lot of stuff. And so I would spend a lot of time like outside. because you know the veil where you can jump in and out. I could step out of my body. And so I guess people call that astral projection. But I was very good at escaping. I since stopped doing that because evidently that's not good for you. Don't do that. But I think those are some of the effects of having passed away so young that the psychic ability was off the chain, but it was also not discussed or accepted. where I was so I sort of you know spent a lot of time masking as if I were like autistic or something you know had to do a lot of masking. That's the main thing that that felt very different. So with your mother who didn't want you to talk about this is that because of some kind of religious background that she had or did she just think you were making it up? What was her deal? I don't know. And that's the true story. I have no clue. Okay. My mother was raised Catholic and my father was raised Jewish. And so we of course were Protestant.

14:08 I have no clue how that happened. But they, I mean, we went to church every week. Mother sang in the choir. Dad was one of the deacons. You know, he was really super involved, but he was Presbyterian. And that's not usually a very vociferous. religion. I don't know her motivation. I don't know, but I do think it had something to do with the fact that I spoke about her mother in such a way as if I had known her. And I think that was very emotionally uncomfortable for her because she lost her mother when she was 14 and was forced to become the mother of her younger siblings.

14:51 I can see how that could be difficult. Could also be comforting for some people To know that mother's okay and is there but but we're all different and have emotions all over the place All right. We're gonna fast forward to about 1999. Tell me what's going on then One of those jobs that I used to have was a horse trainer, right? I used to gallop race horses But I also started horses and rode horses that were bad for Bronx, you know I was working with a horse that I mean, technical term was he was a shit. And he was a very smart one. And so while I was dismounting, he scooted out from underneath me and I flipped over backwards and landed in such a way that I broke three vertebrae in my neck.

15:38 I mean, crack, crack, crack. And it was C3, four and five. And if you know your anatomy, if those vertebrae are disrupted, you have pressure on the nerves that help you have your diaphragm moving. So if you're unconscious and your diaphragm's not moving, technically you die. It's just guaranteed, you know, check. And so that's what happened. And again, this one was funny. I got out of the body, you know, it was like, oh man. And then I looked, ah, shit, not again. It was like the first thing I said. It was like, oh man, I did it again. I thought you were going to be excited to go back. I had the time I had two kids in elementary school. One was in kindergarten, one was in first grade. So they were babies. They needed their mommy. I had a six -year -old and a seven -year -old. The funny thing about it is when I looked down at my body, I was able to just say, oh, man, and begin to move in the direction I knew I was supposed to move in, right?

16:42 And as I was walking through the barn, because That was where the light was at the end of the barn as I was walking through the barn I told you that I looked at the clock. It's hilarious. I did look up at the clocks and it's like 147 and When I got to the end of the the light and I stepped into the light That's when all the choices started coming. You know, you have this choice you you can stay here or you can move forward and and it's sort of like the bargaining started having it was like if If you want to go back, then you have to do what you agreed to do." And I'm like, I agreed to do something?

17:23 That's news to me. You know, I'm arguing with them. Them, right? And they're saying, well, yes, you have to go back and you have to teach the people and you have to let the people know the truth. And I'm like, the truth about what? And I just argued with them until finally, As I was going to say, well, forget the whole business. Then I remembered how painful it would be for my children. I knew that the children needed me, but I really didn't want to do that thing that they wanted me to do. Like, which is worse? The pain it will be for the children or the pain it will be for me? And what did a mother choose?

18:05 I'll take the pain. I got to go back to the kids. As I was moving into my body, I could feel dread almost. There's like, oh god, this is going to be a hard life. You know, I just didn't want to do it. Quick break here to update you on my experience with OneSkin. They sent me some samples to try, but first I did a deep dive into their products. What I learned is that OneSkin scientists have developed their own proprietary peptide, now let you figure out what a peptide is, called OS1. They literally have scientific research about how well it works. I'll post a link to the study down in the show notes. Oh yeah, and it is not just women. I've been using OS1 face moisturizer and eye cream for about three weeks now and I'm not one for the before and after pictures because we both know how easily they can be faked. My wife says my face looks less like 60 year old shoe leather. Let that one sink in for a minute. What I notice is that my skin actually feels different. It's softer, maybe even younger. Oh yeah, and less like old shoe leather. Hey, I hope you'll give it a try too.

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20:10 I had broken my arm and I had broken my neck in three places. C4 was actually broken through the foramen, like in half broken, right? But I got up and I went and got that horse and I took his saddle and bridle off and I put him in his stall with a broken arm. Then I went and I wrapped the broken arm with a wooden spoon and an ace bandage. So it was snapped at the ulna and radius at my wrist. And then I waited for the children to come home and I gave them their snacks. Yes, I had a ferocious headache. Yes, I was having like, ooh, I'm not really here moments, you know, like after a body is really, the inflammation was really hitting and there was a lot of pressure in my skull. And then I drove myself to the hospital after my husband came home. And let's jump to the serious miracle.

21:04 The fact that It felt like somebody was holding my neck together, literally. Then the serious miracle is a year and a half later I got another x -ray on my neck just to check to see how it's healing and there was literally no evidence had it ever been broken. It was like none. It was healed completely. And they had done nothing but stick a neck brace on me and put cast material around it. Because at the time the doctor was too freaked out. You know that movie Death Becomes Her? He was having one of those moments in his office, but he'd be like looking at the MRI of my neck and then looking at me and going, how are you still breathing? And he did get quite upset there for a minute. Upset at you because you didn't come in sooner in an ambulance or what was he upset about? He was upset because I was still breathing and he was frightened.

22:03 Okay. He couldn't figure out how I was still alive, presented to him in this office. So it just didn't make sense to him. So as a doctor, it's like, I don't get it. And I'm supposed to understand everything therefore. Yeah, that's it. Exactly. He kept yelling like, how are you still breathing? I'm like, I'm clearly breathing. I have a headache. Please don't yell at me anymore. It was. Frightening and then because of that and the weight of you have to do what we asked you to do and Every time I tried to not do it Our lives did not go my husband our lives did not go well at all Because I did try to avoid it for the longest time because it's been 26 years 27 let's get a little bit more detail on this one Okay, you brought you brushed over the NDE pretty quickly itself Are you seeing grandma again? What are you feeling this time? I did not see any I saw the people with the clipboards.

23:06 I don't know how to explain it, but the figures with the clipboards I don't know if anybody has ever talked to them about them. There are the people who are there for your moment of choosing You know that the time when you to see I'll take that life Yeah, you know that moment of choosing that I swear to goodness. There were three men in clipboards You know, like tall figures. The reason I call it the clipboards is like, they feel like the deciders. They feel like the people who are guiding. I don't know. They came back years later and said that, you know, you are to whatever. You are to do this thing and you forgot we're making you do it. They did come back and they still come back and advise. which is interesting to help me. Yeah, it's a little unusual. Do they have names? No, they're just the council. Yeah, they're just the council.

24:06 Other people I've talked to know who I'm talking to, what I'm talking about. It's like people would have called them angels, but to me they were just figures in sort of this dark atmospheric thing. And the speaking wasn't, the voice was inside. I mean, I didn't hear it with my ears. I felt it. It was like, you have a choice. And then they went through what I was supposed to do. I'm still frightened. I can't speak about it without crying because it's too intense. Like, it still frightens me. I'm still avoiding it at what they wanted me to do. But they did give me quite a few things they wanted me to do back in 2000. And I avoided it and ignored it. Is there some of it you'd like to get off your chest and talk about now? Well, 2004, you know, I told you they came back to me more than once. They have come back to me more than once. In 2004, they came back to me and told me that I was to warn about the war that was going to be happening in 25 years. Everybody can do the math. That means we're three years away, right? Yeah. And I was supposed to warn about that war. I don't know what to say to warn about it because I shut it down. I'm like, who am I? What am I supposed to do? This is not my area type of thing. And

25:36 so we agreed upon that I would teach what real spirituality is instead. Because I have an understanding of what Is it's not necessarily the truth, but what is in alignment? Because it's a lot closer to physics than it is religion. I'm just going to say that right now. And so they they meaning the council. I've never asked them their names other than the council. You see how nervous I am talking about this, right? They. They guide me and they help me teach in a way like I. have been given such profound truths by them that have been echoed by other teachers like Buddha and Jesus and other people. I've been given a lot of truths like that. That's what I've allowed myself to teach. I just wrote a book that is with my editor. And we are not talking about the truths, we're talking about a system that helps people find their own truth. Because everybody has to decide what their own truth is, because that's essentially what spirituality is, is you in relation to with your spirit and with the rest of energy in general. A lot of people talk to me about physics. And about frequency and

27:07 vibration and those kinds of things. Is there any way that you can condense that into a good little lesson for us? Certainly. When you combine Newtonian physics with quantum mechanics, you get this space in between. And that's the place that all humans live. Meaning we understand gravity in a physical understanding. We drop things, they go down. But gravity... This force of gravity in quantum mechanics is totally different. It has an effect on how things flow, because gravity is time -space. Gravity changes no matter where you are in the world, where in our quote -unquote human experience gravity is Newtonian. You drop the apple, it hits the ground. And if you can find that space in between time -space and what we are truly Feeling physically that's where spirituality lives Okay I'm not quite sure exactly what to do with that, but I'm gonna let that settle for a little bit for a minute Are there any other details from that second experience that you can remember that you want to talk about?

28:21 Things that you saw things that you felt Besides the three. What did you call them council? They were the council. Yeah. Yeah. What else did you see and feel? I felt a lot of fear, which is okay. First, there's the 1001, 1002, congratulations, you're enlightened, you're dead. There's that, I felt that. All the physical pain goes away, all the emotion goes away, all the struggle goes away, I felt that. But I felt so much fear and resistance when they were explaining to me what my task was to be. I don't ever remember agreeing to this. It was that level of the arguing. I remember that feeling of, how dare you put this on me? But not really in a how dare you feeling, because I didn't have the physical body for the being indignant. But my soul was like, this is such a burden. Do you not know what a burden this is? You know, kind of a thing. So the task you're talking about is spreading the word on that war or something else? It was something else entirely. They wanted me to stand up and heal the people and tell the truth. Those were their words. Heal the people and tell the truth.

29:43 And I told them, nope. And here's an interesting thing. In 2006, I think it was. When the swine flu was going around, do you remember that? Yeah. I think that was six. Wasn't it six? I don't know the year, but I remember the whole, yeah, we were all worried about swine flu. We had never heard of COVID -19 at that point. Yeah, it's true. But I did catch the swine flu and I was actively in pneumonia in my bed. The council came to me and said, get up and go to the hospital. You're dying. And I said, good. Back to them.

30:26 I was like, good, now I don't have to do what you asked me to do. Because it had been ongoing. They kept urging me to do what they wanted me to do. And you are allowed to refuse. Many are called, but not everybody answers. And I wasn't going to answer, thank you very much. And I was like, no, I'd rather die than do what you said. And I said, I'm not going to do it. And they said, OK, you don't have to. And I said, good. And then they said, we'll take care of it. Evidently, they're going to ask somebody else. That part, I didn't matter. But probably two to three minutes later, my daughter walked in. They sent help.

31:06 My daughter walked in the room. At the time, she had a newly licensed driver. And she freaks out, oh, mom, you're blue. You're not breathing. And she threw me in the car and took me to the hospital where they did all the things to help me live. But I was ready that conversation in my head with them is like good I Will go ahead and step out for the third time just to avoid What I felt was going to be the persecution the ridicule that I would have gotten and I don't know whether it was because of my early Experience with my mother coming down on me so hard Whenever I would speak what was really going on inside of me or not. I don't know, but I did know that I flat was not going to talk about the guys with the clipboard. And here I am doing it, which is really hilarious. It's okay. Only about a hundred thousand people are going to hear you.

32:03 Okay, cool. Yeah. I mean, I still have access to them and they still talk to me. Do you see them, hear them, or get impressions from them? All three. All three. Will you next time ask them their names? Tell them I want to know. Okay, cool. There was a time when we were watching we my son and I were watching Michio Kaku on the TV You know watching a TV show. This was way back When they were still constantly in my head arguing with me We were watching he was talking about the the different strings He was talking about string theory and he was talking about 11 strings and how their strings and these they were in my head Literally rolling around on the floor laughing because he had gotten it so wrong they were explaining to me in my head, you know, like how there are nine strings and what they were. And I wish I had written it all down, but I do know that, okay, there's the first dimension, the second dimension, third dimension.

33:01 We live in the third dimension. Then there's the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is the space in between the space time and the continuation of all that is, right? Those are the words that I had for it as a kid. So I'm sorry. The fourth dimension is where people see and hear and talk to ghosts, right? And then there's the fifth dimension, the sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth. And ninth, at that ninth level, that's the God particle. That is the space where all intersect and become one. And that's what they were explaining to me. And this is the kind of information they had all the time. And they still do if I sit and connect with them again. They know stuff.

33:44 It's amazing what they know. Oh, they should. Yeah, they should know everything pretty much. I wanted to touch on just a couple of sort of interesting things before we finish up here. One is you mentioned feeling a lot of fear during your NDE. That's a very unusual thing. Did you also feel other emotions like love or guilt or anything else? The fear was for my physical body in the future. It wasn't in the space of moment, you know, it was like it was anticipatory fear. You know, like when somebody asks you to do something that you know isn't going to be fun or pleasant, it's that anticipatory dread fear. Did I feel love? I felt relief. That was the first thing I felt was, ah, thank you. Struggle over, thank you, check. And, you know, off we go. And then the next emotion I felt Was the piece it's that What I call neutral and it's what I teach. It's that it's that bliss of Not having enough not having a down but being at zero point It's that and a lot of people talk about the piece But there is a way to achieve it in your physical body if you get into neutral and we do achieve it Whenever we fall in love. There's moments of neutrality When we when we hold our child for the first time That's a moment of neutrality.

35:13 You know, there are ways to achieve that. And that's the zero point. It's where we have no upper limit and we have no lower limit. We are existing out of space and time. Make sense? Yeah, because most people can't describe it that well. And that's an interesting description. One of the other things that I wanted to touch on is I'm, I'm a huge believer in freedom of choice or agency or whatever we want to call it. And it's interesting how you used yours. You know, sort of like we've got this mission for you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to do that. Most people seem in their NDEs only experience it with a choice of coming back here or not. And nearly everybody. except for you as a child and a few others, are given a choice.

36:08 They sometimes say no at first, but then they're talked into it, but it still becomes their choice at some point. How do you feel about this whole concept of agency? Oh, I believe in the agency completely. You can remember that because of the first NDE, I believe that I had a bleeding of memories from previous lifetimes, deaths and lives. According to my parents, I was very confused about whether or not I was a boy or a girl, because all my memories are of being a little boy, because that's what I had been. I'm wondering in this new day and age, would somebody have forced me to live as a boy, because I'm a married woman and I'm completely female now. But my early memories were of being a little boy, and so I was identifying as a little boy for some reason. I mean, my previous lifetime. Was of a little boy and so there was a lot of I wanted to play with the little boys, you know I wanted to play army men with them.

37:09 I wanted to do little boy stuff and Then later on they sort of forced me into becoming a girl This is back in the days when girls had to wear dresses to school and all those Other things it wasn't you weren't allowed to wear pants. It's hard to believe folks, but that was the truth and There was a railroading of me becoming a girl And me, you know, subconsciously fighting again, I'm not a girl. But then later when puberty hit, oh, of course I'm a girl. No problem. Sure. I'll be a girl. I mean, painted fingernails and all. I'm a girl. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to the next stage. And that is you learn so much from all of this. How has it affected your life since then you mentioned early on you'd been through all these different careers now You're finally settled on something Tell me how it's all coming together for you well since 2010 I have been helping first individually and Then now in groups. I've been helping people sort of make sense of their own journeys is the best way to explain it everybody Guess a certain point in their lives where they stop being a victim of their life and they want to try to understand some sort of agency over their lives. And there are a million people out there teaching that and some of them more successfully than others you know like that i will say right now that for many people that idea of taking it to make

38:40 it. Does backfire to me it is like trying to paint over grease stains it will be through eventually. And so what I do is I help people align with who they are so they don't have to fake it till they make it through a series of things that the council taught me. And their whole thing is they want people to make friends with themselves so the world can be a friendlier place. In the council's teachings, they're saying that 100 % of the problem with this world's War like behavior and cruelty is that people don't feel Comfortable or happy inside so they want to share how uncomfortable and dissatisfied they are and Fearful they are by hurting other people and so they're trying to change it this way Sounds like you're at peace with all that now. Oh, yeah, I can I can teach But I did not want to be a prophet They literally said the words you were to be like Ezekiel and I know thank you I will not be Ezekiel if you don't mind Do you ever think about the other person that they gave all this responsibility to since you turned it down? I Haven't heard have you heard of them? No, but somebody somewhere is probably in that situation going I don't know what to do with this burden. We'll figure this out Kind of a kind of a Moses type of person

40:11 here Yeah, I want to tell you something real quick. I did try I went to go speak I went to Jimmy Carter's 80th birthday party and I spoke with Jimmy Carter's preacher from his church and we had like a two -hour conversation on this and I shared my information with him and So I felt like job done I did it. He didn't curse me, you know, Beelzebub or any of that. He didn't. He just, you know, like I have a message and here it is. And I sat and spoke with him for like two hours. I didn't tell Mr. Carter I came this close, but I thought since the preacher and Mr. Carter were such very close friends that he would speak. Yeah. Let it go through him.

41:02 Okay. How much fear of death do you have? Zero. Nada. Zip. And if anyone wants to get a hold of you, do you want to put something I put in the show notes or something? How do people reach out to you? Sure. I have a website. It's sallyreid .com. I also have a TikTok and Instagram and Facebook and they're all at blisslife underscore coach. Blisslife coach. Okay. All right, Miss Blisslife, I'm going to give you one minute to leave us with some kind of a beautiful message of hope today. Yeah, when I was helping my parents and my husband's father pass away, the one thing their soul was concerned about was the pain of judgment. All of them. They were so terrified of the pain of judgment. I can say number one, it doesn't hurt. And number two, it's not a test.

42:15 It's more of a welcoming home and let us help you understand what's next. Because as I called it as a child, the next place, I did call the next place. The next place is the place where we get to understand. This place is where we get to screw up. And the next place is the place where you get to understand what's actually going on. So if you've been searching your whole life to figure out what's going on, you'll find out in the next place. Beautifully said. Thank you, Sally. Until we meet in the next place. Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.

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