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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome to RoundtripDeath everybody and welcome.
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This is going to be really fun today.
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We have Dr. Lottie Valentine with us today.
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How are you?
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I'm great.
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How are you?
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Thank you so much for having me.
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I'm good.
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And it was fun.
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I was asking you about the pronunciation of your name.
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Why don't you tell us where you're from and maybe that will explain a little bit.
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Yeah, so my name is Valentin or Valentine.
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It can actually be pronounced in two different ways.
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And that's because I was born and raised in Sweden, which is in northern Europe, all the
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way up by the North Pole, Scandinavia.
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Everybody gets it confused with Switzerland, but it's Sweden.
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So I think Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland up in that area.
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And in Sweden, Valentine's Day is spelled like my name.
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It doesn't have an E on the end.
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And because if you put an E on Valentine, you wouldn't be able to pronounce it in Swedish.
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So the names change with every country, depending on the language that's spoken.
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And so as soon as you leave Sweden, people are going to pronounce your name in English,
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which is Valentine, even though it doesn't have an E on the end.
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As a child, you go to Spain a lot because that's like living in New York, going to
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Florida, trying to escape that winter climate, and then they would always say, you know,
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Valentino, Senorita Valentino.
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So now they add an O. So anyway, so that's why people get confused about, you know, is
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it Valentine?
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Is it Valentin?
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Is it Valentine?
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But it's actually pronounced Valentin or Valentine.
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I'm going to stick with Dr. Lottie.
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How's that?
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Why?
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Make it easy.
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Now, we have a lot of listeners in Sweden.
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So do you want to say hi to them in Swedish?
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Oh, yeah.
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Hey, hey, all the way home in Sweden.
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I grew up in Sweden and moved to America when I was 21.
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So my family is still in Stockholm in the spring in Sweden and many old friends.
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So if you want to say hi to everyone.
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I have one question about Sweden and then we're going to move on, I promise.
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My son spent a couple of years in Norway doing a church mission and he said the Norwegians
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make fun of the Swedes.
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Is it also the other way around in Sweden?
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Do they make fun of the Norwegians?
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Yes, all the time.
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It is just, you know, it's just an old joke, you know, from hundreds of years ago.
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It's just like people have jokes about the Polish people in New York or Italians, right?
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It's the same Sweden and Norway are neighbors.
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And so there's always jokes about how the Swedes are so much better than the Norwegians.
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And then of course it's the same joke in Norwegian about the Swedes.
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But it is, you know, it's not any ill meanings or anything.
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It's just, you know, funny.
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Good fun.
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Like teasing your little brother.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, tell us a little bit about, more about you, including what kind of doctor are you?
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So I'm an NMD and so there's an N in front of the MD part, which means that I'm a naturopathic
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medical doctor.
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And depending on where you live in the United States, the licensing procedure is still ongoing
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in the United States.
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So about half of the states, if you are an NMD, so about 25 states in the United States
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have treats and naturopathic medical doctors as a physician, because we did go to medical
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school and we did pass our boards just like a regular MD.
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But it's the issue that we used to have with the chiropractic physicians before they became
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accepted.
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And now it's that same movement about naturopathic medical doctors.
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And the difference of an MD and a naturopathic medical doctor is that a naturopathic medical
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doctor also studies botanical medicine, acupuncture, homeopathy, nutrition.
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And then of course we all started the pharmaceutical medicines.
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We actually had a few hours more than the regular MDs because we have to be more aware
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of the interaction.
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So it's just a more holistic approach to how we treat the body versus when you go to the
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MD is more of a traditional Western approach.
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You go to a naturopathic doctor, they may say, well, pharmaceutical is your best option
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for this, you know, for this condition.
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But in other conditions, it might be a botanical medicine or homeopathy or acupuncture.
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So your tool bag is just bigger, how to treat somebody.
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So it's a more of a holistic approach to treatment.
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And then you have the functional medicine doctors that are on the wagon, you know, kind
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of saying, I wish I had more knowledge about the integrative medicine.
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So they become functional medicine doctors.
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So they're kind of in between the regular MD and the naturopathic doctor.
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Okay.
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That sounds great.
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And you live in Phoenix?
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Yep.
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I live in Phoenix.
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All right.
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Well, I know you've had a couple of near death experiences.
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I've heard nothing about him yet.
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I'm going to be as surprised as anybody.
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Can you tell us about the first one?
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Sure.
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So my first near death experience was in 1992.
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I was giving birth to my third child that had already given birth to my two boys that
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were now six and three and a half.
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So the birth itself is kind of interesting.
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So we, we had to the hospital because my second boy was born literally in two hours.
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It was such a fast labor.
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So I had a contraction at like two in the morning.
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We had it straight to the hospital.
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We get there.
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I'm in labor and I'm on this table in the birthing room and a 7.4 earthquake.
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So everything, you know, shook a lot and this hospital was built on rollers.
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So it was a fairly new hospital.
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I lived in California at the time and so he was in Eastern Anaheim.
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So for people who are familiar with California, if you've ever been to Disneyland, Disneyland
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is an Anaheim.
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So if you go all the way to the Eastern part of Anaheim, you know, you're bordering more
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on the desert and this earthquake was luckily centered in the desert.
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And that's why we, there wasn't much damage, but this hospital was built literally on the
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edge to the desert.
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So we were really close to the epicenter of the earthquake.
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Everybody started leaning over me on the table, my husband, the nurses, the midwife.
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If they had not leaned over me on the table, they would have fallen down because it shook
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that much and I would have flown off the table.
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So during this earthquake, there's these windows floor to ceiling windows and I'm lying on
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this table and I'm thinking, this is it.
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We're going to all get buried in rubble.
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Those ceiling tiles are going to cave in.
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Those windows are going to shatter.
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You know, all the instruments, you know, in the hospital, they have those metal trays
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with all the instruments.
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They were levitating, jumping up and down on these trays.
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It was like cling, clang.
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We lost all the power, all the lights went out.
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That was one of the times in my life when I thought I was going to die.
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And that experience is very different from my near death experience, which comes in a
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little bit because when you're in a situation like that, and I bet a lot of listeners have
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been almost in a car accident, you're thinking, oh my gosh, this is it.
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This is it.
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I'm going to die.
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And anyway, the earthquake stopped.
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My labor also stopped because it was that a traumatic event.
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So if you're giving birth in the jungle and the lion comes, you're going to stop giving
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birth, get yourself to safety, and then give birth when the lion is not there.
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It's when you're in a situation like that, everything will just stop because your body
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is more interested in saving your life right now.
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My labor stopped.
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And then, you know, after half an hour, an hour, my labor started again.
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I gave birth to my daughter.
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And then they finally, we still only have a nightlight, like the generator in the hospital
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kicked in.
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So we have like a nightlight in this birthing suite.
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And we have another earthquake kick, a 7.2 earthquake.
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This poor man that was drawing my blood, his eyes were like golf balls because he had been
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further away from the first earthquake.
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So to him, this earthquake was worse because he was not much closer to the epicenter.
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And we're all saying, oh, don't worry, this one is a small one and it was a 7.2.
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So it was still a really big earthquake.
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Right.
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And then they finally give me the baby because all this is happening.
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And as soon as they give me the baby, I start screaming and arching backwards saying, take
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the baby, take the baby.
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And I started hemorrhaging.
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So now they come to nurses in the midwives there, squeezing my abdomen and trying to
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make all the blood clots come out, put me on an IV drip.
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It's not like they were going to take me to surgery because we were running on generators,
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right?
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The whole hospital was just trying to make sure everybody on life support is still alive.
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So they put me on IV drop, kept me for another two days, finally sent me home and said, all
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right, seems like the bleeding has stopped and you're good to go.
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Well, 10 days later, I went to my friends were having a baby shower for me because I had
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a daughter and I had two boys before.
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So they were all excited to give me pink dresses and all those things.
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So I get to the park and I feel like I need to use the restroom.
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So I take my kids with me, we go to the restroom and this enormous blood clot comes out, like
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larger than a man's large fists, right?
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Very large.
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And I run back to my friend and I said, something is really wrong.
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And I had had this pain.
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So I would constantly have to sit down to relieve the pain.
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It was like shooting down from my pelvic area down my legs, almost feeling like, imagine
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putting a bowling ball in your stomach and how much pressure that would put.
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So it was that kind of a feeling.
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And I was thinking, what is the difference with this birth?
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Why am I having so much pain?
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So then I had this huge blood clot, put my kids back in the car, drive home, my husband
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comes home from work, takes them to the hospital.
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And my parents are luckily visiting from Sweden at this time.
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So we go to the hospital, they do a manual inspection and they say, oh, everything looks
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good.
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They keep me there for two hours and they say, well, it could have been a second lining
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that came out and they sent me on my way.
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I go home next day, a hemorrhage again.
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And it's in the evening, my husband calls the hospital and I'm yelling to him, I'm not
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going back.
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They're not going to do anything because the bleeding stopped.
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So they said, all right, see the doctor the next day.
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We lived in Huntington Beach, California at the time.
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I see the doctor the next morning, Friday morning, same thing, manual inspection, no
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blood work, no ultrasound, nothing.
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He says, oh, could have been a second lining that came out thinking I had like two linings.
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Like this is so weird.
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And I'm 34 at the time, young, look very healthy.
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You know, it's in June, we're all tanned, living in California.
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I was the picture of health.
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I had just studied nutrition.
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I was eating healthy.
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And he says, all right, well, I'm going to send you home.
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And the next that afternoon, same day, a hemorrhage again.
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So we go back to the ER.
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So now I've hemorrhaged three times, right?
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So they said, all right, well, we're going to do an inspection again, manual inspection,
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no blood work, no ultrasound inspection, leave you on the table.
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So here I'm lying on this table in the ER and I finally start bleeding and I'm thinking,
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oh my gosh, finally, I'm bleeding.
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I'm in the ER.
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They're going to figure out something is wrong.
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So I'm lying.
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I'm not thinking much of it.
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I'm bleeding for three days.
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I think the spirit world sent the nurse to check on me because the timing is literally
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divine.
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So this nurse comes to check on me.
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She opens the door.
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I don't even have a beltering.
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I'm just lying in this ER on this table.
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And she sees all the blood that's on the table and all the paper on the table and her jaw
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just drops.
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I mean, the look on her face is just fear and horror.
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And I hear the call on the loudspeaker OBGYN stat to the ER OBGYN stat to the ER.
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And all I'm thinking is, thank gosh, you know, finally figured out something is wrong.
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Within 30 seconds, this middle-aged doctor runs in full speed.
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That's literally out of breath.
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He probably ran across the hospital.
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Younger physician in tow.
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Again, a manual inspection.
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First he says, how much have you been bleeding?
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He sees all the bloody papers in the wastebasket because the nurse had tried to clean everything
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up.
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So I told him, this is, you know, started Wednesday.
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I've been, this is my third day.
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And he said, all right, let's take a look.
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And they did a manual visual inspection again.
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And as they do that inspection, one of those huge blood clots comes out.
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Oh my gosh.
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That doctor.
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I'm trying.
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Right.
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I'm just thinking, oh my God, thank God I'm in the ER this time.
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I'm even, if I, if I hadn't been, I would have died.
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Right.
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So everything is such divine timing.
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So I'm trying to sit up and tell him, I don't feel too good.
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Cause now is, you know, I've hemorrhaged this the fifth time I'm hemorrhaging these large
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clots in three days.
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So I try to sit up and he knows now exactly what's going on.
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Cause he saw the size of that blood clot come out and I told him I've been hemorrhaging
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for three days.
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So he just pushes me back down on the table and my eyes are now closed because I can't
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keep them open.
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And I hear the room filled with hospital staff.
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And I got this nurse on my right that's quoting to put on their blood pressure cuff and she's
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quoting my blood pressure.
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And I got a nurse on my left that's trying to put an IV in my arm.
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But you know, my veins are already collapsing because now I'm going into shock.
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And so it's really difficult to get an IV in or stick a needle in a vein that's collapsing,
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which is why when you go to the ER now, sometimes they just give you an IV and you're thinking,
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I don't need an IV.
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I'm here for something else.
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Well, if something goes south and they need to inject you with medication, they now have
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an access to that.
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They have a port.
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It's already in your vein.
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So they don't run into this problem.
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But in 1992, I don't think that that was probably not a standard procedure.
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So here I am lying on this table and I feel like I'm just falling.
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Imagine jumping out of an airplane and you just without the parachute and you're just
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free falling down to earth.
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That was the feeling I had.
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And it's probably my blood pressure plummeting at that point.
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And the nurse on my right, who's quoting my blood pressure, said, yells out in this panic
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voice, 50 over 15, hurry.
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She yells.
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So at this point, you know, I barely have pressure to support my heartbeat.
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That usually goes around, way around like 60 over 20.
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And I'm thinking, what's taking her so long?
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Why can't she get that IV?
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I don't have any medical knowledge.
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And shortly after that nurse yells out 50 over 15, hurry, that I know that I am dying.
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And that experience was very, very different from that earthquake when I thought I was
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going to die.
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Because at this point, I knew.
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And I could feel my soul like starting to separate and like coming out of my body.
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Like there was a separation happening.
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And all I'm thinking, I'm a complete atheist at the time.
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I don't believe in anything.
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Even though I was raised in Sweden and everybody was Lutheran back then because the state and
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the church had not yet separated.
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And so you were born in Sweden, you were automatically a Lutheran.
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And if you didn't want to be a Lutheran, then you had to tell someone.
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And it was this, the church that kept your passport and counted all the people and all
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that.
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So I was confirmed when I was 14.
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But I did not believe in anything they taught me.
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I didn't believe in God.
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I didn't believe in any of the stories or religion or the afterlife or the spirit world
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or that your spirit survives the death of your body.
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I didn't believe in any of it.
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And can I just clarify one quick thing before we move on?
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Based on something that you mentioned a second ago, this is prior to you becoming a doctor.
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So you don't have all the medical knowledge back then that you do now.
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Yeah.
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No, I was only 34 at the time.
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And so I had studied nutrition.
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So I knew nutrition.
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So I was really healthy going into this ordeal.
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And so my friends were always saying, you're only survived because you were so healthy going
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into this ordeal.
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And there might be some truth to that.
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But here I am on this table and my soul is trying to separate from my body.
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And I'm completely aware of the fact that I'm dying.
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And I'm a complete atheist.
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So what do I do at this point?
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I said, well, if there is a God or if there is something out there, this is my only hope.
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So I pray to God to save my life.
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And I say, I have three children under the age of six.
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They need a mother.
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Right.
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And I was just thinking, my husband can never do this.
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He's never going to be able to raise these three kids.
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My kids need a mom.
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They need, I have to be there for them.
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And shortly after that, I just got sucked out of my body.
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And that transition of being in your body and being outside your body, it happens so quickly.
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I don't, there's no words to describe how quickly that transition happens because, you
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know, people ask me, did you leave through your chest?
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Did you leave through the crown of your head?
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Or, you know, where was that exit point?
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No idea because you, um, in my body and then I'm not, it's just, it's the transition is
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too quick.
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You have no idea what happens.
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So then I find myself floating outside my body.
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I'm like a couple of feet up in the air and there is this, well, number one, there is
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this note, there is complete peace on the other side and unconditional love and peace.
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And you just feel like, wow, like there's no pain or anything.
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You're just there.
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But my first thought was, how can I be outside my body and still be me?
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How does this work?
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Then I also was aware that there was no time on the other side and that I had access to
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past, present and future.
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There was no, there was no time.
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The time only exists when I'm in my body in this earthly dimension, but time doesn't
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exist on the other side.
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And I was aware that I belonged to the body.
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So if you step outside your car or if you step outside your house, you know, that's your
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car, you know, that's through your house.
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It was that kind of feeling like I live in that body down there, but the me who I am
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is in this spirit form.
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And then I get sucked back into my body as quickly as I had left my body.
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So then they keep me in the hospital.
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And then that next day, I'm still trying to comprehend, you know, how could I be outside
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my body?
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What was that?
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Was that the lack of oxygen in my brain?
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And I'm trying to figure out why that could be.
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You know, my dad was a physician.
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My mom worked in the hospital.
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I was, I was always around medicine.
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I'm trying to make it logical.
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Atheists all do this.
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They try to justify, rationalize, explain away the whole thing.
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Right.
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You know, you're trying to figure out what that was.
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And this nurse that came in the next day to check on me, I think she was Norwegian.
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Uh-oh.
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That's a problem.
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Sorry.
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Go ahead.
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Did anything unusual happen yesterday?
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Cause she was probably aware of near-death experiences.
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I had never heard of such a thing.
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Didn't know anything about it.
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I figured, well, if I tell her, then they're going to lock me up in the psych ward.
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So I said, no, no, nothing, nothing happened.
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But also that day, I was aware of my sister-in-law in the left corner of my hospital room, ceiling,
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and she said, everything is going to be okay.
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I'm thinking, okay.
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So yesterday, I think I left my body.
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Today, I think I hear my sister-in-law who passed away 10 days ago and she's in this
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room.
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Like what is happening, you know, to me?
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And it was a scary thing at the same time because I'm trying to make sense of what is
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happening because I had no belief in anything spiritual.
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You've got to let me ask some questions here.
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Yeah.
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It's my show.
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Come on.
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You really went quickly kind of glossed over the fact that you felt unconditional love
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and peace.
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I meant to ask you to explain more and try to dive into that.
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What did that really feel like?
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I can't wait to get to the second end of year because it's so different from my first.
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So it's almost like, because the first near-death experience was really short.
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I didn't get to see the light, which I did in my second near-death experience and meeting
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spirit guides and everything.
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The first one was so short.
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It was like, I always feel like they saved me too quickly and now I have to have a second
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near-death experience to really get me on track what I'm here to do in this life, right?
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Because I didn't have that full effect.
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But you did feel something.
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Yes.
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But I still knew because when you're in that state, when you're outside your body, number
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one, there's no pain in dying because it's just a beautiful experience.
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It's nothing to be afraid of.
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Death is a beautiful thing where one second you're in your body and the next second you're
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not.
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That feeling of it's just such a tremendous peace and love.
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You're held for lack of a better word, like in the source or God, whatever you want to
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call that, you're just held as an infant and cuddled.
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You're just this unconditional love feeling.
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It's hard to put words to it.
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But it's the most tremendous calm and peace and love that you could imagine.
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So for people who are meditating, ask for divine source or God or whatever you believe
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in, spirit guides to give you that peace and love when you meditate and you start to feel,
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get a sense of what that feels like because it's your whole body just feels within this
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realm, right?
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It feels around and feels that love, it feels our body when we're meditating.
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And I'm sure other people can get to this place too.
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Yes, you're not stuck with these earthly dimensions of feelings because it's just unconditional
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love on the other side.
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It's just peace.
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Okay.
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I'll let you go on to experience number two now.
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So then I guess there's all these other things that happen in between.
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My watch is stopped, I had all these electrical interference, took me 12 years to have a watch
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tick for 12 years so that we can go into those stories later.
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So let me just talk about, you know, and how the spirit world started talking to me during
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this period.
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So my second and this while I was really sick afterwards and I had something called bone
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marrow suppression.
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And so the first thing the doctor said, I have to give you a blood transfusion.
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You've lost way too much blood and I turned my head slightly to look at the doctor and
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he yells, don't, don't move.
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Cause he was so afraid I was going to go back in to this, you know, he was going to lose
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me after he injected me with all, who knows what.
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I just remember just lots of injections when he saved me and he injected me with all these
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things.
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He said, you're not going to feel too good for a while.
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And I, he said, I have to give you a blood transfusion.
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And I said, do you have to give me a blood transfusion?
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And he said, do you have religious beliefs that prevent you from getting a blood transfusion?
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And I said, no, but I have three children under the age of six and this was 1992.
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And a lot of people back then that got blood transfusions ended up getting AIDS because
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we did not have any way of checking the blood back then.
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And so he said, he understood my concern and he said, well, you are like a young and healthy
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person.
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So let's see how quickly you make blood.
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So the two days in the hospital, they, you know, they kept monitoring my blood and how
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quickly I made blood.
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They ended up not giving me blood saying, okay, we're going to give you all these different
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supplements.
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You're not going to feel too good for a couple of months because it's going to take you some
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time to make blood enough to that you don't feel dizzy.
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So I pretty much slept for two or three months.
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I have very few memories of July and August.
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It was almost September.
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My parents changed their tickets back to Sweden two or three times.
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They just kept telling me to stay longer because I couldn't be up yet.
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And I just remember my hands and feet being ice cold.
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I was under, you know, wool blankets in June or July and in California.
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So I had no blood in my body and my head was pounding and I kept telling me to take it
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off the pillow because I would feel faint.
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And so finally by September, I'm now sitting up and I was sitting in the rocking chair
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00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,960
and then my mother-in-law came to help.
481
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:04,920
And then at Christmas, we all got the flu and we ended up not having any insurance for
482
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,560
that entire year because as all this happens, my husband was a regional manager and his
483
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,160
company got sold.
484
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,680
And so everybody got laid off from top to bottom, right?
485
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,800
Of course, in the middle of all this.
486
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,960
So he takes the first bed job, best job because he's got support, his wife and his three kids
487
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,040
at home.
488
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,080
So we were on that three month wait period to get insurance.
489
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,480
We couldn't afford to pay the Cobra payment.
490
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,840
So after three months, he gets another job offer, which is better than the job he's in.
491
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,480
So he takes that job and after three months, he gets another job offer.
492
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,120
So we ended up not having insurance until the following year, July 1st.
493
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:46,000
So that whole year, we didn't have insurance and we all got sick at Christmas and we went
494
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,880
to the walking clinic.
495
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,400
Everybody got antibiotics.
496
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,400
Everybody had pneumonia.
497
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,400
The boys had pneumonia.
498
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,400
My husband had pneumonia.
499
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,800
I had pneumonia.
500
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,320
And after eight days in antibiotic, everybody was well except for me.
501
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,520
I was even sicker.
502
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,720
So I go back to this walking clinic.
503
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,320
They take my blood, they come back in the room and they say, do you have AIDS or leukaemia?
504
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,200
Because you have no immune system.
505
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,560
And I said, well, I can't have AIDS because they never gave me the blood transfusion because
506
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,320
that was the concern.
507
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,960
And they said, well, you have to go to the ER because you have no immune system.
508
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,720
You have no white blood cells.
509
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,480
And I said, I can't do that because we don't have medical insurance and we're going to
510
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,120
get medical insurance soon.
511
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,840
Anyway, they sent me home with all these antibiotics.
512
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,200
They injected me with all this stuff again.
513
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,120
They called the next day and said, are you doing better?
514
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,120
And I said, yes.
515
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:37,640
It took me another couple of weeks, but I finally came out of that.
516
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,560
And then I started bruising.
517
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,040
And I had a bruise on my hip that spanned my entire hip area.
518
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,320
So I bumped into the baby's changing table, something that would give you a bruise the
519
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,360
size of a small coin.
520
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,680
I had a bruise that spanned my entire hip.
521
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,800
It was purple and red.
522
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,040
And now it's May.
523
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,640
My baby is now 11 months old.
524
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,480
It's almost a year later.
525
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,080
I put the kids in the car.
526
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,000
I drive myself to the doctor.
527
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,080
He sees the big bruise and he thinks that my husband is beating us.
528
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,400
So then he rips off the shirts and all my kids, he realizes there's no bruises on them.
529
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,520
And I'm telling him, I'm telling you the truth.
530
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,280
This is what happened to me.
531
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,800
And I bumped into the baby's changing table.
532
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,200
So then he believed me and I said, look, that is a doctor.
533
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,920
I understand there's something wrong with my blood, but we're getting insurance July
534
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,920
1st.
535
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,920
And we were in mid-May now.
536
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,680
So it was like six weeks to go.
537
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,360
I've survived this whole year.
538
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:33,920
And I said, as funny as this sounds, I'm better now than I have been the whole year because
539
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,000
I put my children in the car and drove myself here and walked into this clinic.
540
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,840
I'm getting better, but obviously there's something wrong.
541
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,880
Anyway, he gave me all the lab work, which I didn't do because I knew that I would have
542
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,040
a pre-existing condition and then I wasn't going to get insurance.
543
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,240
And I said, well, I've gotten out of all these problems the entire year.
544
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,720
So I just ripped them up and I luckily got better.
545
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,280
During this whole time, I have visitations from the spirit world.
546
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,080
I'm here in the spirit world.
547
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,520
But then another year goes by.
548
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:10,320
So not two years later in 1994, I am living with this bone marrow suppression and always
549
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,120
having this feeling of my soul leaving just like it did in the ER the first time where
550
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,760
you just feel like your soul is separating from your body.
551
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600
So this is just my normal life at this point.
552
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,680
Every time I stand up, every time I bend over, lying in bed at night, I have to take my head
553
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,040
off the pillow because my head is pounding because I don't have enough blood.
554
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,960
So my second NDE happens in the middle of the night.
555
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,920
I wake up, my head is pounding, I take my head off the pillow and just like the first
556
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,480
time I just get sucked out of my body.
557
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,200
But the second experience is so different from the first because now I am tumbling through
558
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,480
darkness, I think like a spaceship traveling in Star Wars, right?
559
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,960
So I'm traveling through darkness like tumbling.
560
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,880
And I get to this place that I call the mid station because I knew that there were, it
561
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,480
was like an awareness that I could be higher or I could be lower.
562
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,480
So imagine going into a skyscraper and there is a hundred floors in the skyscraper and
563
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,960
you push the button on the 50th floor.
564
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,720
When you get off on the 50th floor, you know there's floors above you.
565
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,160
You know there's floors below you.
566
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720
You just don't know what's on those floors because you can't see them.
567
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,200
But that was the feeling that there was like levels and I call it the bouncing station because
568
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,200
they sent me back.
569
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,480
I did not get a choice to stay.
570
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,960
Like some people say, oh, I had a choice.
571
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,960
I could stay.
572
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,080
There was no choice.
573
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:36,400
So I get to this mid station and the first thing I hear is the most beautiful music.
574
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,720
And I'm thinking, where is this music coming from?
575
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:44,560
And I look to my right and for all the people in Sweden, what I see is a log cabin.
576
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,200
So I'm thinking, well, the music must be coming from this log cabin.
577
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:53,120
So I open the door, I look inside and it looks like it literally looks like a sauna, like
578
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,120
a Swedish sauna, a small log cabin.
579
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,440
And I open the door, I look inside, but it's empty.
580
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,760
And I look to my left and I see a mirror image of the log cabin on my left.
581
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,400
I open the door, I look inside, but it's empty.
582
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,560
But then I'm thinking, where is this beautiful?
583
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,240
The music is so beautiful.
584
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,200
It's more beautiful than any music you can make here on earth.
585
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,120
I tried to make the music.
586
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,320
We had a synthesizer with like 200 sounds.
587
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:25,360
There was not one sound on the synthesizer that I could make similar to this beautiful
588
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,440
music.
589
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,080
So then as I'm in this state, I become aware of this bright white light.
590
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,280
It's almost like I was standing the way I would say it's like you're standing inside
591
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,920
a cloud and then somebody's shining one of those really bright spotlights that they have
592
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,680
at like a soccer game or, you know, like a sports arena.
593
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,040
And so I'm surrounded by this bright white light.
594
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,440
I'm standing in it almost like you're standing in a cloud or standing in a fog.
595
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,200
But this bright white light, it extends everywhere.
596
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,800
But this bright white light, there is a knowing that this bright white light is God.
597
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,120
It is divine source that we come from this light.
598
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,880
So there was this knowing we come from this light, we are part of this light and we carry
599
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:16,440
this light within us and we come and return to this light when we die.
600
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:23,040
And that light is, that is the unconditional love bliss.
601
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,480
You would never want to leave this light.
602
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Like if you could stay there, if I did, I'd say, do you want to stay?
603
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,400
I would say yes.
604
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,400
Yes, please.
605
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,400
Right.
606
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,920
Because it's just this enormous love and bliss feeling.
607
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:43,000
In this light, I see an outline of angels and the music is coming from the angels.
608
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:49,480
But I am completely aware of the fact that I'm seeing angels and thinking, I don't believe
609
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,480
in angels.
610
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,080
Like why am I seeing angels?
611
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,920
You know, these things aren't supposed to exist because I'm still me in this condition.
612
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,920
Right.
613
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,920
I'm still me.
614
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,080
I'm still the person I am here on earth.
615
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,360
Like I'm still my same spirit.
616
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,760
I'm still thinking this can't be angels aren't real.
617
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:12,280
But here I am seeing, hearing the angels creating this beautiful music and then I've become
618
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,640
aware of these two spirit guides and they're talking to each other, but I can hear them
619
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,280
and the spirit guide on my right says to the one, if they are going to lead in front of
620
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,640
me to the left, what is she doing here?
621
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,640
She can't be here.
622
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,760
She has to go back and I'm saying, no, no, no, wait a second.
623
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,960
How can this be?
624
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,960
How can I be outside my body and still be me?
625
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,960
Right.
626
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,720
I've been here for two years now, me trying to come to terms with my first near death
627
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,720
experience.
628
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,880
And the spirit guide diagonally to the left in front of me says, well, if I told you,
629
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,040
you won't, you wouldn't remember.
630
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,360
So I would say there's some kind of like control mechanism of what we get to remember.
631
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,960
But then it's like I'm standing on the moon looking down on the earth and around the earth,
632
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:02,240
there is this, what I called at the time, because this is 1994, a silvery glittery fishnet
633
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,840
because we didn't have the internet back then.
634
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,680
You couldn't Google, you know, grid around the earth.
635
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,960
I spent years coming to San Francisco public library trying to find what was that that
636
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,200
I saw.
637
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,520
So I call it the fishnet only because I was raised in Sweden and in the summers I spent
638
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,360
my time on an island without electricity or running water.
639
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,760
And I would row the boat for my grandmother who laid fishnets in the ocean to catch fish
640
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,760
for the family.
641
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,240
And when she lifted those fishnets out in the early morning sun, the water droplets on
642
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,800
that fishnet would sparkle in the sunlight.
643
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,280
So that was my description of what I saw was like, it looked like a fishnet that was sort
644
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,680
of sparkling.
645
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,600
And the spirit guide said, everything on earth is connected to each other, but everything
646
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,080
on earth is connected up to this grid.
647
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:57,560
And with that message, I got sent back to earth, which has then, you know, taken me 29
648
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:04,440
30 years to put these experiences understanding what the meaning of all these experiences
649
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,440
were.
650
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:11,240
But now in my work today, where I work as an ancestral healer, I work as a medical medium,
651
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:15,720
I'm an evidential psychic medium, I do spirit readings for people as well.
652
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:21,320
Now I understand it, but it took a long time to understand what is that interconnectedness.
653
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,680
It's like I had to wait for quantum physics to catch up and the internet to catch up.
654
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,000
I searched for years.
655
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,360
I used to have stacks of books next to my bed.
656
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,840
I was reading, you know, Stephen Hawking time, the physics books, why is there no time on
657
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,840
the other side?
658
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,960
Somebody please explain these experiences.
659
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,240
What is that grid?
660
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,080
And then eventually I said, okay, that's it.
661
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,040
I'm just going to give up on this and let it be.
662
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,040
I'm sure you have questions by now.
663
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Oh, this is just really cool.
664
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,720
It's been fun to listen to.
665
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:53,240
What do you make of all this?
666
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:58,800
I mean, really, how did this settle with you and change you internally?
667
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,800
Right.
668
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,800
So exactly.
669
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,160
So it's not what happens to you.
670
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,520
It's what happens inside of you as a result of what happens to you.
671
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,040
People who are familiar with Gabor Mate and his trauma healing have heard him say that,
672
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:18,240
but it applies so well to people who have near-death experiences because when we listen
673
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:24,760
to somebody's experience, we are looking for confirmation or knowing that, you know, life
674
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,040
goes on, our loved ones in the spirit world are okay.
675
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,400
You're going to be okay when you pass on.
676
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,040
But we, you know, we're kind of stuck in that phase and we're fascinated by these stories
677
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,360
because that's where we are in our conscious evolution right now.
678
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,480
But then when you look at what happens to these people as a result of those experiences,
679
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,440
even for me, it was a complete life transformation and that's why I always joke they saved me
680
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,160
too quickly the first time.
681
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,400
And so they had to give me a second near-death experience so they could put me on the right
682
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,320
track for this life.
683
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,320
Growing up in Sweden where my father was a physician and my mom was a hospital floor
684
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,560
administrator, I was always surrounded by medicine and ever as long back as I can remember, I
685
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,840
wanted to be a doctor, just like my dad.
686
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,840
I want to be a doctor.
687
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,120
But back then, you know, I was born in 1958, so I was raised in the 1960s.
688
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,640
Typically back then the women became nurses and the men became doctors.
689
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,120
And my dad would always say, you know, be a nurse, be a nurse.
690
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,600
It doesn't take as long.
691
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,240
And I ended up not going that route.
692
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,040
It was a business major, computer science major.
693
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,720
I was a programmer and systems analyst of working for IBM in my, you know, after college in
694
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:32,800
the United States.
695
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,480
So I went with that very logical route.
696
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,000
So here I am, you know, after these experiences and always feel like the spirit world said,
697
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000
all right, you're on the wrong track.
698
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,160
We got to put you back on the healing track.
699
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,120
That's what you incarnated to be.
700
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,760
That's what you wanted to be as a child.
701
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,920
But then, you know, life sometimes takes you in a different direction.
702
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,000
I knew I had to be a healer or a doctor.
703
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,160
For 12 years now, I have heard the spirit world.
704
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,480
The spirit world would come and visit me.
705
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,400
So it started the first day after my first near-death experience.
706
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,120
I heard my sister-in-law.
707
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,920
And then a year later, my uncle passed away and he came to visit in the middle of the
708
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,840
night and I figured my mom was going to call me from Sweden the next day and say, hey,
709
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,440
you know, my brother passed away.
710
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Nobody called me.
711
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,840
So I said, wow, this is so strange.
712
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:19,840
I know he was here.
713
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,320
He said, you know, just letting you know that passed on.
714
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,720
Another day goes by and then finally this was the night like Sunday to Monday, finally
715
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on Wednesday, my mom calls.
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You know, she does her usual chit chat.
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How is things going?
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00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,640
And then she says, I have something tragic to share with you.
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00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,640
And I said, I know your brother passed away, you know, two days ago and it was just dead
720
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,640
silence.
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00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,760
And I said, how did you know?
722
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,280
And I said, he was here.
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You know, he came and told me my mom's response at that point was, you're just like your grandma,
724
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just like her mother, because she also knew when people passed away.
725
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:05,080
And so that's how it started, but the spirit world would tell me all these things.
726
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,760
So my kids were a little older.
727
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,120
So it was fun to tell the things that you're very, you know, that are verifiable.
728
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,800
So one morning I woke up and I had three images.
729
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,680
The first image was of our van and it was a black scratch on the side of the door.
730
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And the second image is I see two of my kids in the car, my middle son in the front seat,
731
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,960
my daughter in the back seat.
732
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:30,120
And then the third image is me leaving a note on the windshield of a black sedan car, but
733
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I don't see any people.
734
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,120
So I tell my kids, we live in the San Francisco Bay area in California and they go to school
735
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,760
in the city.
736
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,200
So I had to drive them to the city.
737
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,740
They were at the San Francisco Ballet School.
738
00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:45,480
And that's like the big book to do is like a training for the Olympics kind of thing.
739
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,560
They train them six days a week.
740
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,680
So I'm driving them to the city because they're too young to take the subway by themselves
741
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at that age.
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And so I tell my kids, this is what I saw.
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00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,320
And we go through all the intersections.
744
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,680
So we know the scratch is on the right hand side of the door.
745
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,960
It's the sliding door on the van.
746
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,880
So we must be hit oncoming traffic.
747
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,680
We're turning left oncoming traffic.
748
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,480
It's the only way we can get hit.
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00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,040
Two weeks go by and we figure out there's only one intersection in the city because a lot
750
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,320
of the streets in San Francisco are one way.
751
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,440
We come across the bridge into San Francisco.
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00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,760
We get off the freeway.
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00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,120
We come down to the light.
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00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,640
We jog left.
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Only street that has oncoming traffic.
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00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,960
So every day for two weeks, my kids' noses are pressed up against their window saying,
757
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,560
Mom, the coast is clear.
758
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,680
There's no cars coming because they're concerned too.
759
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,520
They're going to be in this accident, right?
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00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,680
Mom saw the scratch on the car.
761
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,880
So two weeks go by, nothing.
762
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,240
Then we're in Walnut Creek, East Bay, San Francisco, and at the bookstore.
763
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,600
We come out of the bookstore and there's this big truck in the way.
764
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,720
He's offloading all these boxes and I'm trying to get on the street.
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00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:55,840
And as I'm turning right onto the street, the right part of my car scrapes the car that's
766
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,400
parked and it's a black sedan car.
767
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,040
So now I know, right?
768
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,040
This is the scratch.
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00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,080
So I get out of my car and walk around the car.
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00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,880
I see the black scratch and I just raise my hands to the sky and just laugh.
771
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,920
I'm sure the people who saw me must have thought this woman is absolutely nuts.
772
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,440
Wouldn't be the first time you look crazy.
773
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,440
Right?
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00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,360
So here I am, leaving the note on the black sedan car.
775
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,440
So all these things were happening and I started hearing things, seeing things, knowing things,
776
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,280
hearing the spirit world.
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00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,760
And after 12 years of this and writing things down, because I thought, this is just a deja
778
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:34,760
vu.
779
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,760
I'm so skeptical.
780
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,200
I'm so scientific.
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00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,360
And I needed proof over and over again that what I was experiencing was real and it wasn't
782
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,040
coming from my brain.
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00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,320
And so I would, anything that happened or I saw things in a dream or in a meditation,
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00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,840
or I would just know things, I would write it down because it was a way for me to verify
785
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,240
that information.
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00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:59,960
So after 12 years of this, I am thinking, okay, I need to go back to work soon, but I
787
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:00,960
can't go back to programming.
788
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,040
I want to do something in healing.
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00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,560
So I come across this medical school on the internet, naturopathic medical school.
790
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,880
And then I realized it's a real medical school.
791
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,320
It wasn't just something you could do in a year.
792
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,600
I was like, four years of medical school.
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00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,920
There's not even any guarantee I'm going to get in.
794
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,280
I'm going to have to take all the pre-rex, the chemistry, the bio, the physics.
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00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,400
And then, you know, after finishing all of that, there's no guarantee they're going to
796
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,840
accept me because I'm going to be so much older.
797
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,160
Well, I closed the computer, walked to the kitchen.
798
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Now my kids are old enough to there in San Francisco, you know, they're taking the subway.
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00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,320
And as I'm walking to the kitchen, the spirit world drops in on me.
800
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,640
But now it's been 12 years of me listening to the spirit world and every message I have
801
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,080
received in 12 years have been accurate.
802
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,800
So at this point, I'm trusting what I'm receiving.
803
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,480
So the spirit world drops in and says, you have to go to naturopathic medical school.
804
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,280
You have to be a doctor.
805
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,120
And they said, you have to combine East and West, which is like combining all the new.
806
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,640
They said, you have to write two books, no wait, three.
807
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,640
And you have to bring messages to people.
808
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,760
And I'm like, what am I supposed to write about?
809
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,200
What are you talking about messages?
810
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,200
What do you mean messages?
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00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,920
And the spirit world answer was just when the time is right, we will let you know.
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00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,160
For now, just going on a roll in the prereqs, literally in two weeks, I was already taking
813
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,920
my pre-reqs.
814
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,360
And because I was a business and computer science major as an undergraduate, I didn't
815
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,080
have any of the like high school advanced placement biology and all that.
816
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,560
I had to start with advanced placement high school biology at the community college and
817
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,240
then get to the prereqs of biology, chemistry, organic chemistry and physics.
818
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,160
So I had to take all those classes.
819
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,280
And so that is how I ended up on, you know, going to medical school and I went to, I was
820
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,320
accepted and went into medical school at the age of 54.
821
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,320
Congratulations.
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00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:58,160
So everybody out there, it's a never too late to transform your life and follow and follow
823
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,360
that calling.
824
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:05,760
But that message of you're to write two books, no wait, three, I have gotten that exact message
825
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:12,520
with that exact phrasing four times from two professional mediums at Arthur Fiender College
826
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,960
in England, which is the top mediums in the world.
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00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,880
And two other times, one from a student and one from a friend who is who I met, who was
828
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,320
also a medium.
829
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,320
And the message is always the same.
830
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,920
You're to write two books, no wait, three.
831
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,920
That's so interesting.
832
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,600
So I'm always saying, no, why is that, that extra one is going to be different, I feel,
833
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,640
than the first two.
834
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:37,120
So I've written my first book, which is all about helping people transform their life
835
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,200
and follow their own calling and sharing a lot of my own stories of how the mediumship
836
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,680
developed and the spirituality developed for me to help people develop their own spirituality.
837
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,680
Yeah.
838
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,680
So let's do this.
839
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,960
We're going to spend some time talking about some of those spiritual things, or as I like
840
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,760
to call them spiritual gifts, because a lot of people after their NDEs have some kind
841
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,760
of spiritual gift or gifts that they did not have before.
842
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,240
Before we move on to that though, you had been an atheist.
843
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,040
Are you still an atheist?
844
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,240
How has this changed your belief?
845
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:13,440
You obviously believe there's something after this life.
846
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,680
My belief now, so we are eternal beings.
847
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,320
We don't, you know, we don't die.
848
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,000
The body dies just like if you're in a car crash, your car died, you go get another new
849
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,000
car.
850
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,000
Your body dies, you come back in a new body.
851
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:32,720
So it's that reincarnation and the spirit world, you know, when we leave this body,
852
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,440
we go on to the spirit world.
853
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:41,080
And I think eventually we reincarnated, we come back in another body, in another life.
854
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:46,200
My beliefs now is of course, in the spirit world, we are spiritual beings.
855
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:52,040
And in divine source, there is something out there that is of greater consciousness than
856
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,240
we are, and we are created in that liking.
857
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,040
Okay, I'm going to ask you to speculate on something.
858
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,720
You mentioned earlier that you were not given a choice on whether to go back or not.
859
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:05,880
You were just told you're going back.
860
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,080
Some people do have a choice.
861
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,080
So in your opinion, why do you think some have a choice and some don't?
862
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,000
I think it's just the incarnation that, you know, that, because I've heard, I met somebody
863
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:24,120
once at like a IAINTS meeting, International Association for Neodust studies.
864
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,600
And he said he had three outs.
865
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,560
He was told that he had three outs.
866
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,440
And this was one of his outs.
867
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,600
And he could have stayed if he wanted to.
868
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,520
It's like he had a choice.
869
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,440
You can go back and you can have this life and I'll look at all the fun things that are
870
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,760
going to happen where you can stay if you want.
871
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,280
This is one of your outs.
872
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,680
I didn't have a choice.
873
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,160
I feel like to a certain extent, we write a little movie script for what we're here to
874
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,680
experience.
875
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,560
And they were like, you can't stay because you have way too much to fulfill in this
876
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,560
life.
877
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,360
You can't go back and fulfill your incarnation.
878
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:02,200
So I feel like there is some sort of soul contract that we have about our journey here
879
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,480
on earth, because a lot of things that happen to us are in our astrological charts.
880
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,480
Right?
881
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,760
We can see things, major things that are happening in those charts.
882
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,960
So that's almost like your movie script in a certain sense.
883
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,480
Believe it or not, there is a lot, lot more to come from Dr. Lottie.
884
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,400
But we're going to put that in a part two of this episode and release that later this
885
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,400
week.
886
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,320
So I hope you'll come back and listen to the rest.
887
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,400
We're going to find out about her spiritual gifts, why her watches didn't work for 12
888
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,680
years, and a whole lot more until then.
889
00:46:37,680 --> 00:47:00,080
I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
