Died at 16 Playing Soccer - Cara's 7 Minute NDE

0:03 From the time that they pronounced me that was a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I could see people screaming and crying But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else The only thing that I could feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody. This is going to be so fun today because we're going all the way over to France to talk with Kara. Good morning or evening for you Kara, how are you? Good morning, good evening Eric. I'm great, how are you? I'm fantastic. We've gotten over our technical glitches for the day. Just so everybody knows we've had our share of frustration including and you didn't hear about this yet Kara, but our Internet where I live has been out for about 12 hours and luckily I have a starlink that I use when we're camping and stuff and so I rigged that up and and Then you had problems with Riverside and anyway, but here we are. It was meant to be we just had to work through it It was meant to be it's still amazing to me that we can connect from Utah to France like this

1:34 Yeah, and and there's no pause or delay really either. It just works Yeah, so cool. Would you pronounce your last name? sure long Dare boved Kara von der Boved, but you can say longer or vander it's my my husband's last name which he's french and the name is dutch so it takes it takes some time to say i'm gonna stick with cara if you don't mind no that's good cara is good just so we can get to know you a little bit before we jump into your near -death experience what got you to france because you grew up where north carolina Yeah, I grew up in the mountains of North Carolina and my husband actually was an exchange student in the mountains from France.

2:25 He came to the mountains of North Carolina to play soccer and we connected then and then I moved to Colorado. He lived in France and we were both revisiting North Carolina at the same time and fell in love. A short way of saying that's how I got to France was because of him. And then very quickly I became pregnant with my first daughter and now I have two daughters. So I've been here for 10 years. So what part of France? Just outside of Paris. So I'm in a small town outside of Paris, but definitely with that same energy. Yeah. Yeah well there's a lot of energy in Paris but it's an interesting place because there's just, to me it was kind of polarizing because there's all these beautiful museums and then there's crazy traffic and politics and all that kind of stuff but I loved it but it would be weird to live there I think. Yeah, it is and I'm out of the city enough like I'm in another small city just outside of the city where when I come back From the center of the city. I feel really calm and grounded, but you're exactly right It's there's a lot of extremes going on in that city, but it's it's magic too. It is But I can tell you're a person that's not the frenetic energy type And no, it's taken my nervous system a long time to adjust, like years, but it's adjusting, so. Well, one of the things that's

3:58 going to be fun today, and maybe I should warn our listeners up front, 5 % of the time do a pre -interview with people and know the whole, a little bit about the whole story. So I'm not too surprised as we're going through it, but we didn't have that opportunity this time. So I'm going to be very surprised by some things. I know your experience happened when you were 16 years old. So, but I want you to just jump into it and tell me what was going on with your life and what led up to what happened. Okay, where should I start? So I will start at the experience itself. I was a soccer player growing up. I played from like age seven until 16 with the same group of girls. And we were on our way to state playoffs. It was right before halftime.

4:55 There was raining, like very dramatic scenery. And then our best kicker kick the ball straight into my left temple and it instantly stopped my heart and my heart was stopped for seven minutes and my dad said that the blow to the head was so extreme that it went up and over the stadium lights and she, I don't know if you know about soccer, but she was a sweeper and I was a left fullback and she was meaning to kick it like to the other side of the field but it kind of spun off and just directly directly hit me in the head and I had a teammate run to me saying, are you okay, Kara? Are you okay? Are you okay? And that was the last thing that I remember.

5:37 I just instantly went out of my body and I was up and over everyone. So. Okay. Before we get deeper into that, I'm just curious about the thing. Cause I mean, I've played a little soccer. I've seen a lot of soccer and soccer players are hitting the ball with their head all the time. Did this hit you in a different spot like the temple or something? It did. It was in my left temple. Yeah. And me too, I played for a long time. So the whole, when I came back to my body, I was really fascinated of exactly like how that could happen. But it was the left temple that instantly stopped my heart. And medically how did they bring you back? With a defibrillator.

6:22 Thank goodness those are all over the place now. Yeah yeah it was in an ambulance so it took a little time from the soccer field to get into the ambulance but for me it was an amazing experience. All right let's get back into it. So you get hit in the head with a ball you remember your friend saying something then what do you see? You've said you left your body. Yeah, so instantly I was above everyone and I was watching like looking down at at my teammates which were kind of which were hovered all around me I could see them and I saw them like as a candle flame actually like I'm looking at a candle flame right now I saw them as this light so this this beautiful amazing lights around me actually I draw this often and then my body in the middle was like a wick like no light so i saw everyone around me with this light like each person had this light that went up and over them like as high as the trees and then the trees they had this light that just went over i mean so so high i would say as high as the mountains and it just moved and swayed and i was i was just in awe i could not Stop watching them. It was so beautiful.

7:44 It was it was pure bliss. It was pure love and Then I focused in on my parents Because actually inside of my body, which I'll get to later. I was very Upset. I was a 16 year old very very very angry 16 year old at this point and I was very angry my parents so inside my body I was very angry at them outside of my body oh my god they were just so extremely beautiful I mean like I can kind of show you like the flame of a light I mean just swaying and swaying and swaying with so much you know the time I think it was around seven minutes but for me it felt like it felt like whole lifetime I was there just watching them and watching their beauty and seeing all this not not their bodies I didn't see their faces or their Colors, but I saw this light around them. That was just so beautiful and they swayed together and I didn't have any thoughts my only thought I can remember was like oh my gosh, they love me because I was watching, you know my teammates and my parents just how they and I felt how much they loved me. Yeah, so that's really what I saw. The next thing I remember is I came back to my body and I was in the ambulance and it

9:15 was it was the opposite of those warm feelings. Outside of my body I felt like I was held by the whole universe like I was bathing and like when you're outside and it's really cold on a winter day coming back inside to a warm bath. It felt so safe and warm and then in the ambulance it was the opposite. There was fluorescent lights. It was cold. It was frigid and I wanted to go back to that place. Like I was like my body was, you know, I mean I guess I had just been defibrillated. My body was going through a lot and I wanted to go back. The next thing I remember I did go back and I was in the hospital and I had another experience this time. My brother was like beside me in the hospital room. He was probably eight and he was bent down and I heard him say, um, sissy, sissy, please come back. And I don't, I have no like logically in my brain now. I have no idea how I heard him that if he said it loudly or if I was able to hear his thoughts. But in that moment I came back to my body and I haven't left since then. So that's an overview. I am I'm writing a book about this where I have found like seven main truths that I discovered during that experience. But that's just a big, big overview of what it was like. Okay. Well, I want to hear a little bit more detail and description. Tell me more about your feelings. You mentioned love,

10:47 you mentioned safety and warmth. What else? Yeah, I felt, I felt free. I felt free so I was myself 100 % like I was as a child like I am now talking to you but even more myself like because I'm nervous right now but I was me like 100 % me and I think something that was fascinating now is looking down and realizing that everyone was looking at my body but I wasn't there and I was above I was because I was watching them I just felt so much love and everything was love like every single piece of it there was zero fear or zero worry or zero anger and I'll get this to this later but I was very angry in my body I wanted to die that was a big piece of it is I wanted to die I asked to die I prayed or But not right before, like a week before, but I vividly had this moment in my bed as a teenager. I don't know why. I mean, I can't really... Now, in my mom, 38 -year -old brain, it doesn't make a lot of sense why, but in that moment at 16 -year -old, just maybe a week before this event, I wanted to die. And I remember laying... on my bed and looking up to the sky and looking up

12:17 to God to the universe and saying like take me out like this is not what I signed up for I don't want to be in this life anymore and I was so angry and I was so vivid and there was just so many pieces of my life I felt like we're falling apart and just these like intense intense emotions I would say I don't think I actually meant it but when it happened when the accident happened and I came back to my body The first thought I had was, how did I do this? I'm from a very small town. My entire community coddled me because of this terrible accident that I had. But inside of me, I thought, how did I do this? That was the main thought I had because I was like, I wanted to die and then I died. There was just an instant connection. I then became obsessed with The mind and the brain and I didn't feel like I could ever tell anyone this because You know, it's where I grew up like it's a sin to want to die and plus I was popular I was homecoming Queen I was on the outside I put a really good mask every day like I smiled brighter than anyone I was voted best smile and like on the inside I just was lost and angry and and even more after the accident because I was diagnosed with brain damage, but it kind of sent me on this path inside of me. I didn't tell really anyone except my very, very closest friends, my experience of

13:50 pure love and seeing that the world is perfect and seeing that we are here right now in this paradise from above. I mean, the world was just so, is just so perfect and so beautiful and so held and I saw, you know, everything has a purpose and everything has a reason and just 100 % love. So when I came back to my body, I was really fascinated in discovering the difference. Why did I have that outside of my body? And then inside of my body, I'm back to all this anger and these thoughts that are really heavy and these thoughts that are really icky. So I began first studying with my neurologist because I was seeing the neurologist a lot to try to understand like what went on in my brain and then I was just obsessed with anything about the mind and the power of the mind and the mind -body I studied psychology for a while and then I was led to yoga which really was a huge huge healing space for me because in yoga it's It reconnected me to those same feelings of peace and bliss and pure love that I had in my near -death experience.

15:13 I mean, it was being in death that it was just 100 % love, like all of the fears and worries and things that... I mean, now, you know, we can look back. I don't know if you remember yourself, Eric, at 16 or, you know, a time in your life when you feel like the world is so awful and that everything's so awful and now i can kind of look back at myself at 16 and be like honey like i have two daughters like it's not that big of a deal you're gonna get through it but at the time it was so extreme but the second i was out of my body none of that exists like zero yeah those teenage years that i think just the hormones running crazy make the emotions go crazy i mean from super happy to super sad, frustrated, mad, whatever. I remember mostly just taking it out on my poor car, you know, driving away from high school every day, just like as fast as I could. I don't know, for some reason, that was kind of a release of everything pent up in the day. But other than that, I don't know, those years were fun too. But yeah, there's emotions all over the place. So before we move on, How else can you describe this feeling of love you called a hundred percent love and How does it relate to the love that you feel in this life? husband children Etc I Think I can access

16:45 that love when I'm really calm The love that I have for my daughter's Yes, I would say the same love the love that I have for my husband like yes, that's 100 % that love moreover, I would feel like It's like you're bathing in that love. It's constant. And I love the ocean. That's another thing I really love. And I grew up on the coasts of North Carolina, South Carolina in the summers. And we have these waves that can sometimes be super dangerous. But I've always played in the ocean. And then a feeling that I feel like, for me, that's similar is once I get past those waves. And then there's just this peace like floating on my back, looking up at the sun and just feeling held, like this feeling of just being held. And I think we can access it. That's been my life goal is to have to reaccess it and to help others access it. Sometimes in Shavasana at the end of yoga practice, we can really get into that same place of just all of the air. If you just close your eyes and imagine that all the air is just love, I think that's a similar feeling. Alright, quick break for a bit of a little truth session here, shall we say. I have to admit, one of the fun things about this podcast growing as big as it is, is that companies send me their products to try out from time to time. Recently, I received a package

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19:50 a limited time, try OneSkin with 15 % off using code roundtrip at oneskin .co forward slash roundtrip. That's 15 % off at oneskin .co with code roundtrip. After your purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. And I'd really appreciate it if you would support the show by telling them that we sent you. Something that was also interesting to me is that my heart stopped. And as soon as I was out of, you know, as soon as my heart was stopped, I was like, I don't know. Into the heart like completely 100 100 percent Love, you know, I've I've also studied the brain a lot and I our brains are just are amazing Einstein, you know tells us they're the most powerful satellite in the world and at the same time when I was outside of my brain and feelings I didn't have any Worry or or fear so that love I think is 100 % accessible to us now in life if we can just take ourselves out of the fear and worry and stress. Sometimes it helps to get there and to understand it if we realize what the opposite emotions are. And you've just mentioned fear.

21:16 What are some of the other opposite emotions to this love? Anger, worry, stress. Anxiety, guilt. Yes, guilt. And when I came back into my body, I had instant guilt, but outside there was zero. Zero guilt. Any jealousy, I would say none of that exists. Envy, not even. Did I do something wrong? I think in my brain, the way I grew up, I was always wondering if I was doing the right thing or if I was good enough. I think that is one thing that kind of led me to this point of wanting to leave life is I just wanted to be perfect all the time. And then outside of my body, the pure love, it's just... It's hard to explain. Is there anything else you remember seeing? You described the candles. Anything else you saw? I saw the earth. So I... I saw my teammates with this light, this vibrant, vibrant light, which I now believe is our essence, is our soul, is who we truly are, because my light was gone, but I was somewhere else. I don't know exactly where. And I saw the lights. I spent a lot of time focused on that. People have asked me if

22:50 I saw a light somewhere else, but the light that I saw was the earth. So I saw lights around the plants, the trees, the trees they had, like the people have amazing lights, but the trees, I mean, I was just fascinated. I could, their lights were so big and so extreme, kind of hovering over us, I guess. what science now can prove as you know the way that they take in oxygen and and protect us in this way. I saw the energy of the trees and I saw that the earth is is a paradise like this earth it's so beautiful I was I was just overtaken by the love and the beauty of this planet. I think since since then now I live I can show you outside of my window I see people walking around every day through the city and I haven't shared this experience very much but one reason I really want to share it now is because I just want to scream out my window because I can still see the lights around people and how they they have this energy above them not just one person or not just a good person but every single person and I just want to scream to them like yours you have no idea how amazing you are. And it's a shame that we all can't see how vibrant we are. We get stuck on like, I get

24:21 stuck on stupid stuff all the time. I was so nervous about talking about this. I haven't talked about this because I've been nervous about it. What will other people think? But at the end of the day, I think we're so lucky to be here. A big piece of this to me is that the people that I saw, they had no idea I was there. I was around them. I was watching them. I was loving them so deeply and they had no idea that I was, you know, they were really, really, really fixated on my body. So now that I have daughters and I just want to let them know all the time, like we can't see, you know, all the stuff that's going around us. And if I was right there and nobody knew, you know, who is around us, what is around us. all the pure love that is surrounding us all the time. I think we just, we're super lucky to be here too. Another piece of this is one reason I haven't shared for so long is because yes, death is pure love, but also on the other side, it was very clear that life, the ones of us that are here, we are so lucky to be here and nothing is by chance. you just as you are, are that way. And just where you are is perfect like that. Like you don't need, we don't need to change anything. We don't need to do anything, but just the more aware we can become of how

25:53 good it is right here and now, because it's all going to change. And to let go of everything else, you know, like life is so beautiful. Have you seen recently the astronauts? that went out and circled around the moon? Have you followed any of that? I haven't. Okay. But I do know of the overview effect and I feel like it's quite similar. Is that, sorry to interrupt you, is that what you're thinking? Well, I was wondering about a couple of things. If you've seen any of the video or stills that they shot from space looking back at the earth and how incredibly beautiful it is, I'm just wondering how your viewpoint related to that, but also about the oneness that comes through that. I had a discussion a few years back with a politician that had the opportunity to go up on the space shuttle and see the Earth orbiting the Earth. He was saying how it just completely changed him. There's no borders. There's no politics. We're all just part of this family on this beautiful, beautiful planet. I don't know, just kind of fit in with what you were saying. So I was wondering if you had any feelings on it. Maybe go onto NASA .com or their YouTube page or whatever and catch some of it and get back to me. Let me know what you think. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Actually, in my

27:25 book, in my first chapter, I talk about the overview effect because the God, the Godmother, Godfather of my daughter. is a pilot and his best friend is a French astronaut that was in space and so I asked him a lot of questions too because I have heard of the overview effect and I was like yes that's it that's that's it that is exactly that is so similar to what I saw and when I do see the photos of of the earth and all these lights I saw that that was what I saw But the lights were not the lights of the city, the lights were the people. So I saw, I saw your light, I saw all these lights. And absolutely, there's no war, there's no worry, there's no, there's nothing like all of the heaviness that we carry around with us all the time. I think that goes into the ground with our bodies. I became really Like I said, really interested in the body too.

28:27 And I studied anatomy and physiology and went into a lab and saw, some people think this is really creepy, but saw the dead bodies and held them and dissected them. But it was so clear for me coming back that I wasn't my body. I love this body and what a gift that we have to have these bodies, but we are. Something else what I don't know the connection with the astronauts is 100 % True and even on a plane. I don't know if you fly very much Eric, but I love to fly and look at the clouds like from above and Out the window and just seeing the world like that, you know, we fly over Paris and you don't see like all the horns or you don't hear the traffic you can put your headphones on and you can really get into a place sometimes I see us like ants in a way like that you know like we get so stuck in our in our worries and fears while we just have this like amazing opportunity to be on this planet with all this beauty and all this light and all this magic all right Let's talk about some of the things that you learned you mentioned seven things Are you gonna be able to tell me the seven? Or just tell me a few doesn't matter how many or what order no, I don't I don't mind to tell you well I'll start the first one I've

29:59 already told you is That this really links into what we were just talking about is that the earth is a paradise like I saw Sorry, the bells are going off here. I love hearing the bells. I know our listeners are not going to be able to hear them, but the bells just sound like Europe. Yeah. And they've been off and on the whole time we've been talking. Yeah, every 15 minutes they come. So the first thing I notice is that the earth is a paradise. I can go deeper in that, but I won't. The second is, you know, there's nothing to fear in the dark. was light, complete light, like there was zero fear in death. The third major thing is the lightness piece that I believe we are light, we are this light and my mission in life since then has really been to help others connect to that light through yoga, through meditation, through just sharing and like I said I want to now just scream to everyone and be like you don't Don't worry, don't look down at your phone all day. You are so much more than you think you are. You are this beautiful light. And to follow the light and to be light, the next one is, and it actually goes through the chakra system to really create a transformative process for the reader, for the person to experience. My goal has been for them writing this. I've worked on it for seven years, is to help them really...

31:30 not just me tell what happened, but to also help the reader experience it for themselves. Because one of the biggest things that I learned is that death is amazing, but if we can take what we can see in death and live that in life and exploring death and talking about it, like you do, Eric, so good, helping people bring death to the surface, not as something taboo or dark or scary, because that is nothing like I saw when I was there, but just to talk about it and to bring it into our lives more. The unknown is always scary. And that's one of the reasons it's so awesome to talk to people that have died and come back, because it takes some of the fear out of it.

32:19 And the people that I talk to, they're always telling me, Oh, I don't have any fear of death anymore. Okay. But that's because it's not so unknown for you as it is for most people, right? I'm curious. This is a profound thing to happen to somebody and you were only 16 years old. When you, I don't know how long it took you to get out of the hospital and get back to school and stuff, but how was Kara different? Because you weren't a regular 16 year old anymore after having an experience like this. Yeah, thank you. Before, like I said, I was angry and I believe I was even struggling with the eating disorder. I was just really lost. Coming back to my body, I was diagnosed with brain damage, so it wasn't overnight.

33:12 It wasn't like the next day I felt like I do today. It was a long road of healing for years, but in quiet moments, like in my bath at night, I would remember what I saw and it changed everything. I was obsessed with learning more about the mind -body spirit. I was obsessed with learning about the brain and the body and other cultures, like what do they say about... I wasn't really interested in hearing what other people say about death because I had... It was such a huge, profound thing for me. I didn't need more explanation about that, but I did want to know more about the mind and the body. When I discovered yoga at 21 in university, in my early 20s, I couldn't.

34:07 I took classes for probably a year, and then when I got hooked, when I started coming... back to those same feelings that I experienced in death. I quickly became a teacher and I could not stop teaching anyone that would listen. I didn't want to spill my experience on death on everyone because it's something that I love to talk about, so I'm really thankful for you to talk about it, but it's also something that I don't talk about because it's a triggering subject. I test the waters sometimes. In France, I feel like it's even more difficult to talk about than in the U .S., but people are very uncomfortable talking about death, so I don't share this unless I really feel in a safe space because it was so personal and so beautiful. I think I was probably always a child that saw the beauty in life, but at 16 I had lost that. 16, I was completely, completely disconnected from that. It reconnected me even though it took years to the beauty of life, to the beauty of being alive. As you and I were chatting earlier, you mentioned that near -death experiences are something that you didn't even really research much until recently. And then you found us, this is the first time you've really talked in a in a big public forum like

35:39 this. Tell me about that journey. Yeah, thank you. So when I became a mom, nine years ago, living in France, I began writing a lot. And I've realized I had taught yoga now for 15 years, but I realized like, there's something deeper, something more that I need to do. I think life became super precious to me. And I started thinking again about death. And what would happen if I was to die? What would I want to leave my daughters? So I began writing. I didn't also moving to France 10 years ago. I didn't speak French and I don't live exactly inside of Paris, the town city that I live in. No one speaks English, so. It was a long road. Now I speak French, but for years, you know, every conversation was difficult. So I went straight to my journal, I went straight to writing, and I realized there was a very clear book coming out of me, a very clear message of share because I realized there are people that are scared of death. For a long time, I saw that My experience was a curse because I was no longer allowed to play sports again. I was no longer You know, there was so much that felt difficult about it at the time and now I realize what a gift it was especially since I got to come back and I think on the other side the one the ones

37:14 of us that have passed our parents our grandparents are ancestors, you know, I think they're always kind of whispering in my ear saying, share, share, share. People need to know how lucky they are before their, I don't want to say before your time is up, but if we could have the opportunity to wake up to the beauty of life while we're still here, I truly believe, I mean, Eric, I don't know any other near -death experiences. I really haven't. I only know one person that came to me and shared in a yoga class that she had had a similar experience. But I know you know so many, so I may be off on this. But I think we all will have, you know, when we leave our body, it will be something similar, you know, going straight into pure love and seeing how beautiful everything is right now. But my question has been like, what if we can have that while we're alive? And so that's why I came out to share. That's why I'm writing my book. I have a lot of art. Just talking about death and bringing death to the table because for me I kind of feel like if we're not talking about death then we're not truly living because it is a big piece of life. And it's easier not to talk about. It makes everyone uncomfortable it seems around me and it makes me uncomfortable sometimes too and I get it. Like I'm terrified of losing my daughter and my husband. I have very vivid dreams and

38:45 I dream about them dying and I am crippled the next day so I get why it's hard to talk about. For me, I know I have to share. I have to let people who are interested know kind of what it was like and sharing in a way of we travel a lot, we're getting ready to go to Japan on Sundays, sharing it in a way as I would someone who's interested in a different country. It was very vivid and it lives with me every single day and I feel like until I fully get it out and share it I'm not quite complete. Yeah it's funny something that you mentioned a minute ago because I don't feel like this podcast is about death isn't that weird it's even in the title and I don't feel like it's about death because well for the people that come on this podcast it was a very temporary thing it was a quick death get a glimpse of the other side, learn something, come back. Okay, let's talk about it. As someone just a couple of days ago explained to me, their dying felt like just walking into another room. It was so simple and so easy. And we talk about life in the fact that we have hope. Death is not an end.

40:05 And so it doesn't need to be as scary of a thing as we think. Sure, we're going to miss people that have died. It's funny the old phrase, oh, they're in a better place. You know, it just seems so trite. But it's so darn true. It just, it just is. And those that we have loved and lost, we haven't, well, first of all, we haven't really lost. They really are in a great, great place. and we really will be able to see them again. And that's a beautiful thing. So, I don't know, maybe we should take death out of the whole terminology out of the equation here, but I digress.

40:53 Why did you all of a sudden want to reach out and do this? And how'd you find us? I, the book I was telling you, I'm almost finished writing it and I thought, okay, if I'm going to put this book out into the world. I should start talking about it. The book is about talking about death. And so I just honestly did a little, like a two minute research and your podcast came up and I had a good feeling. And so I sent you a message and you instantly responded. And I was like, okay, here we go. So it was people saying, Things that are aligned are simple. It was that simple.

41:39 It was really a heart -felt movement of reaching out. Well, I'm glad you did. It's been great getting to know you. Would you leave us with some kind of a message of hope today? Yeah, of course. To anyone listening, you are so... You're so powerful. You're so brilliant. You're so vibrant. You're so much more than you think you are. I think this morning I was with my three -year -old. They start school here in France at three, with all these kids from all around the world.

42:23 And each of us, we have, you know, this beautiful gift of love and light and beauty. And we can get so stuck on what we're lacking. and we can watch the news and get stuck in how terrible the world is. Yes, there are a lot of things to make better, but I think as soon as we leave our bodies, we're going to see how amazing every little piece of life was. So the hope is that you are perfect just as you are and keep spreading your light and enjoy your time on earth because we are so truly lucky to be here. Like it is a paradise. Things happen, everything happens for a reason, I believe. And all is love. All is love. It's the bottom line. All right, Kara, thanks a lot. Thank you. Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath .com. If you want to share your near -death experience or if you have questions or comments about the show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath .com.

43:34 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.