Died at 16 Playing Soccer - Cara's 7 Minute NDE

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody.

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This is going to be so fun today because we're

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going all the way over to France to talk with

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Kara. Good morning or evening for you Kara, how

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are you? Good morning, good evening Eric. I'm

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great, how are you? I'm fantastic. We've gotten

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over our technical glitches for the day. Just

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so everybody knows we've had our share of frustration

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including and you didn't hear about this yet

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Kara, but our Internet where I live has been

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out for about 12 hours and luckily I have a starlink

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that I use when we're camping and stuff and so

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I rigged that up and and Then you had problems

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with Riverside and anyway, but here we are. It

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was meant to be we just had to work through it

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It was meant to be it's still amazing to me that

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we can connect from Utah to France like this

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Yeah, and and there's no pause or delay really

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either. It just works Yeah, so cool. Would you

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pronounce your last name? sure long Dare boved

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Kara von der Boved, but you can say longer or

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vander it's my my husband's last name which he's

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french and the name is dutch so it takes it takes

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some time to say i'm gonna stick with cara if

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you don't mind no that's good cara is good just

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so we can get to know you a little bit before

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we jump into your near -death experience what

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got you to france because you grew up where north

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carolina Yeah, I grew up in the mountains of

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North Carolina and my husband actually was an

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exchange student in the mountains from France.

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He came to the mountains of North Carolina to

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play soccer and we connected then and then I

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moved to Colorado. He lived in France and we

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were both revisiting North Carolina at the same

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time and fell in love. A short way of saying

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that's how I got to France was because of him.

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And then very quickly I became pregnant with

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my first daughter and now I have two daughters.

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So I've been here for 10 years. So what part

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of France? Just outside of Paris. So I'm in a

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small town outside of Paris, but definitely with

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that same energy. Yeah. Yeah well there's a lot

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of energy in Paris but it's an interesting place

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because there's just, to me it was kind of polarizing

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because there's all these beautiful museums and

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then there's crazy traffic and politics and all

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that kind of stuff but I loved it but it would

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be weird to live there I think. Yeah, it is and

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I'm out of the city enough like I'm in another

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small city just outside of the city where when

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I come back From the center of the city. I feel

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really calm and grounded, but you're exactly

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right It's there's a lot of extremes going on

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in that city, but it's it's magic too. It is

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But I can tell you're a person that's not the

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frenetic energy type And no, it's taken my nervous

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system a long time to adjust, like years, but

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it's adjusting, so. Well, one of the things that's

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going to be fun today, and maybe I should warn

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our listeners up front, 5 % of the time do a

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pre -interview with people and know the whole,

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a little bit about the whole story. So I'm not

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too surprised as we're going through it, but

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we didn't have that opportunity this time. So

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I'm going to be very surprised by some things.

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I know your experience happened when you were

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16 years old. So, but I want you to just jump

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into it and tell me what was going on with your

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life and what led up to what happened. Okay,

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where should I start? So I will start at the

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experience itself. I was a soccer player growing

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up. I played from like age seven until 16 with

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the same group of girls. And we were on our way

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to state playoffs. It was right before halftime.

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There was raining, like very dramatic scenery.

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And then our best kicker kick the ball straight

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into my left temple and it instantly stopped

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my heart and my heart was stopped for seven minutes

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and my dad said that the blow to the head was

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so extreme that it went up and over the stadium

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lights and she, I don't know if you know about

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soccer, but she was a sweeper and I was a left

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fullback and she was meaning to kick it like

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to the other side of the field but it kind of

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spun off and just directly directly hit me in

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the head and I had a teammate run to me saying,

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are you okay, Kara? Are you okay? Are you okay?

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And that was the last thing that I remember.

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I just instantly went out of my body and I was

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up and over everyone. So. Okay. Before we get

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deeper into that, I'm just curious about the

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thing. Cause I mean, I've played a little soccer.

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I've seen a lot of soccer and soccer players

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are hitting the ball with their head all the

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time. Did this hit you in a different spot like

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the temple or something? It did. It was in my

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left temple. Yeah. And me too, I played for a

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long time. So the whole, when I came back to

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my body, I was really fascinated of exactly like

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how that could happen. But it was the left temple

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that instantly stopped my heart. And medically

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how did they bring you back? With a defibrillator.

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Thank goodness those are all over the place now.

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Yeah yeah it was in an ambulance so it took a

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little time from the soccer field to get into

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the ambulance but for me it was an amazing experience.

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All right let's get back into it. So you get

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hit in the head with a ball you remember your

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friend saying something then what do you see?

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You've said you left your body. Yeah, so instantly

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I was above everyone and I was watching like

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looking down at at my teammates which were kind

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of which were hovered all around me I could see

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them and I saw them like as a candle flame actually

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like I'm looking at a candle flame right now

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I saw them as this light so this this beautiful

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amazing lights around me actually I draw this

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often and then my body in the middle was like

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a wick like no light so i saw everyone around

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me with this light like each person had this

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light that went up and over them like as high

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as the trees and then the trees they had this

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light that just went over i mean so so high i

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would say as high as the mountains and it just

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moved and swayed and i was i was just in awe

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i could not Stop watching them. It was so beautiful.

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It was it was pure bliss. It was pure love and

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Then I focused in on my parents Because actually

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inside of my body, which I'll get to later. I

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was very Upset. I was a 16 year old very very

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very angry 16 year old at this point and I was

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very angry my parents so inside my body I was

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very angry at them outside of my body oh my god

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they were just so extremely beautiful I mean

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like I can kind of show you like the flame of

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a light I mean just swaying and swaying and swaying

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with so much you know the time I think it was

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around seven minutes but for me it felt like

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it felt like whole lifetime I was there just

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watching them and watching their beauty and seeing

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all this not not their bodies I didn't see their

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faces or their Colors, but I saw this light around

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them. That was just so beautiful and they swayed

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together and I didn't have any thoughts my only

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thought I can remember was like oh my gosh, they

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love me because I was watching, you know my teammates

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and my parents just how they and I felt how much

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they loved me. Yeah, so that's really what I

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saw. The next thing I remember is I came back

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to my body and I was in the ambulance and it

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was it was the opposite of those warm feelings.

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Outside of my body I felt like I was held by

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the whole universe like I was bathing and like

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when you're outside and it's really cold on a

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winter day coming back inside to a warm bath.

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It felt so safe and warm and then in the ambulance

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it was the opposite. There was fluorescent lights.

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It was cold. It was frigid and I wanted to go

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back to that place. Like I was like my body was,

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you know, I mean I guess I had just been defibrillated.

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My body was going through a lot and I wanted

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to go back. The next thing I remember I did go

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back and I was in the hospital and I had another

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experience this time. My brother was like beside

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me in the hospital room. He was probably eight

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and he was bent down and I heard him say, um,

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sissy, sissy, please come back. And I don't,

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I have no like logically in my brain now. I have

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no idea how I heard him that if he said it loudly

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or if I was able to hear his thoughts. But in

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that moment I came back to my body and I haven't

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left since then. So that's an overview. I am

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I'm writing a book about this where I have found

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like seven main truths that I discovered during

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that experience. But that's just a big, big overview

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of what it was like. Okay. Well, I want to hear

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a little bit more detail and description. Tell

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me more about your feelings. You mentioned love,

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you mentioned safety and warmth. What else? Yeah,

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I felt, I felt free. I felt free so I was myself

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100 % like I was as a child like I am now talking

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to you but even more myself like because I'm

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nervous right now but I was me like 100 % me

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and I think something that was fascinating now

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is looking down and realizing that everyone was

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looking at my body but I wasn't there and I was

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above I was because I was watching them I just

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felt so much love and everything was love like

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every single piece of it there was zero fear

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or zero worry or zero anger and I'll get this

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to this later but I was very angry in my body

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I wanted to die that was a big piece of it is

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I wanted to die I asked to die I prayed or But

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not right before, like a week before, but I vividly

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had this moment in my bed as a teenager. I don't

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know why. I mean, I can't really... Now, in my

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mom, 38 -year -old brain, it doesn't make a lot

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of sense why, but in that moment at 16 -year

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-old, just maybe a week before this event, I

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wanted to die. And I remember laying... on my

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bed and looking up to the sky and looking up

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to God to the universe and saying like take me

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out like this is not what I signed up for I don't

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want to be in this life anymore and I was so

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angry and I was so vivid and there was just so

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many pieces of my life I felt like we're falling

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apart and just these like intense intense emotions

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I would say I don't think I actually meant it

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but when it happened when the accident happened

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and I came back to my body The first thought

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I had was, how did I do this? I'm from a very

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small town. My entire community coddled me because

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of this terrible accident that I had. But inside

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of me, I thought, how did I do this? That was

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the main thought I had because I was like, I

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wanted to die and then I died. There was just

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an instant connection. I then became obsessed

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with The mind and the brain and I didn't feel

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like I could ever tell anyone this because You

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know, it's where I grew up like it's a sin to

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want to die and plus I was popular I was homecoming

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Queen I was on the outside I put a really good

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mask every day like I smiled brighter than anyone

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I was voted best smile and like on the inside

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I just was lost and angry and and even more after

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the accident because I was diagnosed with brain

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damage, but it kind of sent me on this path inside

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of me. I didn't tell really anyone except my

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very, very closest friends, my experience of

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pure love and seeing that the world is perfect

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and seeing that we are here right now in this

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paradise from above. I mean, the world was just

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so, is just so perfect and so beautiful and so

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held and I saw, you know, everything has a purpose

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and everything has a reason and just 100 % love.

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So when I came back to my body, I was really

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fascinated in discovering the difference. Why

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did I have that outside of my body? And then

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inside of my body, I'm back to all this anger

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and these thoughts that are really heavy and

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these thoughts that are really icky. So I began

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first studying with my neurologist because I

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was seeing the neurologist a lot to try to understand

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like what went on in my brain and then I was

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just obsessed with anything about the mind and

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the power of the mind and the mind -body I studied

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psychology for a while and then I was led to

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yoga which really was a huge huge healing space

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for me because in yoga it's It reconnected me

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to those same feelings of peace and bliss and

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pure love that I had in my near -death experience.

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I mean, it was being in death that it was just

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100 % love, like all of the fears and worries

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and things that... I mean, now, you know, we

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can look back. I don't know if you remember yourself,

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Eric, at 16 or, you know, a time in your life

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when you feel like the world is so awful and

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that everything's so awful and now i can kind

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of look back at myself at 16 and be like honey

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like i have two daughters like it's not that

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big of a deal you're gonna get through it but

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at the time it was so extreme but the second

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i was out of my body none of that exists like

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zero yeah those teenage years that i think just

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the hormones running crazy make the emotions

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go crazy i mean from super happy to super sad,

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frustrated, mad, whatever. I remember mostly

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just taking it out on my poor car, you know,

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driving away from high school every day, just

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like as fast as I could. I don't know, for some

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reason, that was kind of a release of everything

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pent up in the day. But other than that, I don't

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know, those years were fun too. But yeah, there's

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emotions all over the place. So before we move

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on, How else can you describe this feeling of

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love you called a hundred percent love and How

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does it relate to the love that you feel in this

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life? husband children Etc I Think I can access

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that love when I'm really calm The love that

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I have for my daughter's Yes, I would say the

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same love the love that I have for my husband

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like yes, that's 100 % that love moreover, I

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would feel like It's like you're bathing in that

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love. It's constant. And I love the ocean. That's

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another thing I really love. And I grew up on

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the coasts of North Carolina, South Carolina

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in the summers. And we have these waves that

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can sometimes be super dangerous. But I've always

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played in the ocean. And then a feeling that

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I feel like, for me, that's similar is once I

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get past those waves. And then there's just this

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peace like floating on my back, looking up at

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the sun and just feeling held, like this feeling

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of just being held. And I think we can access

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it. That's been my life goal is to have to reaccess

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it and to help others access it. Sometimes in

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Shavasana at the end of yoga practice, we can

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really get into that same place of just all of

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the air. If you just close your eyes and imagine

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that all the air is just love, I think that's

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a similar feeling. Alright, quick break for a

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bit of a little truth session here, shall we

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say. I have to admit, one of the fun things about

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if you would support the show by telling them

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that we sent you. Something that was also interesting

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to me is that my heart stopped. And as soon as

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I was out of, you know, as soon as my heart was

00:20:23.259 --> 00:20:27.200
stopped, I was like, I don't know. Into the heart

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like completely 100 100 percent Love, you know,

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I've I've also studied the brain a lot and I

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our brains are just are amazing Einstein, you

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know tells us they're the most powerful satellite

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in the world and at the same time when I was

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outside of my brain and feelings I didn't have

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any Worry or or fear so that love I think is

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100 % accessible to us now in life if we can

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just take ourselves out of the fear and worry

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and stress. Sometimes it helps to get there and

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to understand it if we realize what the opposite

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emotions are. And you've just mentioned fear.

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What are some of the other opposite emotions

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to this love? Anger, worry, stress. Anxiety,

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guilt. Yes, guilt. And when I came back into

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my body, I had instant guilt, but outside there

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was zero. Zero guilt. Any jealousy, I would say

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none of that exists. Envy, not even. Did I do

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something wrong? I think in my brain, the way

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I grew up, I was always wondering if I was doing

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the right thing or if I was good enough. I think

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that is one thing that kind of led me to this

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point of wanting to leave life is I just wanted

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to be perfect all the time. And then outside

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of my body, the pure love, it's just... It's

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hard to explain. Is there anything else you remember

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seeing? You described the candles. Anything else

00:22:18.029 --> 00:22:25.930
you saw? I saw the earth. So I... I saw my teammates

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with this light, this vibrant, vibrant light,

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which I now believe is our essence, is our soul,

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is who we truly are, because my light was gone,

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but I was somewhere else. I don't know exactly

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where. And I saw the lights. I spent a lot of

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time focused on that. People have asked me if

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I saw a light somewhere else, but the light that

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I saw was the earth. So I saw lights around the

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plants, the trees, the trees they had, like the

00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.160
people have amazing lights, but the trees, I

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mean, I was just fascinated. I could, their lights

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were so big and so extreme, kind of hovering

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over us, I guess. what science now can prove

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as you know the way that they take in oxygen

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and and protect us in this way. I saw the energy

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of the trees and I saw that the earth is is a

00:23:28.339 --> 00:23:31.680
paradise like this earth it's so beautiful I

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was I was just overtaken by the love and the

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beauty of this planet. I think since since then

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now I live I can show you outside of my window

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I see people walking around every day through

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the city and I haven't shared this experience

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very much but one reason I really want to share

00:23:52.529 --> 00:23:54.950
it now is because I just want to scream out my

00:23:54.950 --> 00:23:58.109
window because I can still see the lights around

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people and how they they have this energy above

00:24:02.309 --> 00:24:04.869
them not just one person or not just a good person

00:24:04.869 --> 00:24:08.190
but every single person and I just want to scream

00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:11.950
to them like yours you have no idea how amazing

00:24:11.950 --> 00:24:15.970
you are. And it's a shame that we all can't see

00:24:15.970 --> 00:24:21.069
how vibrant we are. We get stuck on like, I get

00:24:21.069 --> 00:24:24.009
stuck on stupid stuff all the time. I was so

00:24:24.009 --> 00:24:27.170
nervous about talking about this. I haven't talked

00:24:27.170 --> 00:24:29.230
about this because I've been nervous about it.

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What will other people think? But at the end

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of the day, I think we're so lucky to be here.

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A big piece of this to me is that the people

00:24:39.710 --> 00:24:42.859
that I saw, they had no idea I was there. I was

00:24:42.859 --> 00:24:45.299
around them. I was watching them. I was loving

00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:49.000
them so deeply and they had no idea that I was,

00:24:49.099 --> 00:24:52.019
you know, they were really, really, really fixated

00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:57.160
on my body. So now that I have daughters and

00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.500
I just want to let them know all the time, like

00:25:00.500 --> 00:25:03.079
we can't see, you know, all the stuff that's

00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:05.960
going around us. And if I was right there and

00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:08.759
nobody knew, you know, who is around us, what

00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.940
is around us. all the pure love that is surrounding

00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:16.519
us all the time. I think we just, we're super

00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:20.240
lucky to be here too. Another piece of this is

00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:23.680
one reason I haven't shared for so long is because

00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:28.940
yes, death is pure love, but also on the other

00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:32.039
side, it was very clear that life, the ones of

00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:35.920
us that are here, we are so lucky to be here

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and nothing is by chance. you just as you are,

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are that way. And just where you are is perfect

00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:46.920
like that. Like you don't need, we don't need

00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:49.279
to change anything. We don't need to do anything,

00:25:49.299 --> 00:25:53.180
but just the more aware we can become of how

00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:56.819
good it is right here and now, because it's all

00:25:56.819 --> 00:26:00.900
going to change. And to let go of everything

00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:03.779
else, you know, like life is so beautiful. Have

00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:07.539
you seen recently the astronauts? that went out

00:26:07.539 --> 00:26:09.859
and circled around the moon? Have you followed

00:26:09.859 --> 00:26:17.160
any of that? I haven't. Okay. But I do know of

00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:20.079
the overview effect and I feel like it's quite

00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.099
similar. Is that, sorry to interrupt you, is

00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:25.279
that what you're thinking? Well, I was wondering

00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.599
about a couple of things. If you've seen any

00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:31.900
of the video or stills that they shot from space

00:26:31.900 --> 00:26:34.960
looking back at the earth and how incredibly

00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:39.329
beautiful it is, I'm just wondering how your

00:26:39.329 --> 00:26:43.190
viewpoint related to that, but also about the

00:26:43.190 --> 00:26:47.049
oneness that comes through that. I had a discussion

00:26:47.049 --> 00:26:51.430
a few years back with a politician that had the

00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:54.890
opportunity to go up on the space shuttle and

00:26:54.890 --> 00:26:58.170
see the Earth orbiting the Earth. He was saying

00:26:58.170 --> 00:27:00.769
how it just completely changed him. There's no

00:27:00.769 --> 00:27:03.970
borders. There's no politics. We're all just

00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.980
part of this family on this beautiful, beautiful

00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:10.359
planet. I don't know, just kind of fit in with

00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.180
what you were saying. So I was wondering if you

00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:16.859
had any feelings on it. Maybe go onto NASA .com

00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:19.799
or their YouTube page or whatever and catch some

00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.079
of it and get back to me. Let me know what you

00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.700
think. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Actually, in my

00:27:25.700 --> 00:27:28.240
book, in my first chapter, I talk about the overview

00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:32.180
effect because the God, the Godmother, Godfather

00:27:32.180 --> 00:27:35.420
of my daughter. is a pilot and his best friend

00:27:35.420 --> 00:27:38.900
is a French astronaut that was in space and so

00:27:38.900 --> 00:27:42.660
I asked him a lot of questions too because I

00:27:42.660 --> 00:27:44.599
have heard of the overview effect and I was like

00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.220
yes that's it that's that's it that is exactly

00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:51.279
that is so similar to what I saw and when I do

00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.240
see the photos of of the earth and all these

00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.349
lights I saw that that was what I saw But the

00:27:59.349 --> 00:28:01.609
lights were not the lights of the city, the lights

00:28:01.609 --> 00:28:05.789
were the people. So I saw, I saw your light,

00:28:05.910 --> 00:28:09.869
I saw all these lights. And absolutely, there's

00:28:09.869 --> 00:28:12.609
no war, there's no worry, there's no, there's

00:28:12.609 --> 00:28:16.069
nothing like all of the heaviness that we carry

00:28:16.069 --> 00:28:20.869
around with us all the time. I think that goes

00:28:20.869 --> 00:28:24.250
into the ground with our bodies. I became really

00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:27.549
Like I said, really interested in the body too.

00:28:27.769 --> 00:28:31.589
And I studied anatomy and physiology and went

00:28:31.589 --> 00:28:34.869
into a lab and saw, some people think this is

00:28:34.869 --> 00:28:37.690
really creepy, but saw the dead bodies and held

00:28:37.690 --> 00:28:41.250
them and dissected them. But it was so clear

00:28:41.250 --> 00:28:45.650
for me coming back that I wasn't my body. I love

00:28:45.650 --> 00:28:48.990
this body and what a gift that we have to have

00:28:48.990 --> 00:28:53.670
these bodies, but we are. Something else what

00:28:53.670 --> 00:28:57.369
I don't know the connection with the astronauts

00:28:57.369 --> 00:29:02.130
is 100 % True and even on a plane. I don't know

00:29:02.130 --> 00:29:06.089
if you fly very much Eric, but I love to fly

00:29:06.089 --> 00:29:11.250
and look at the clouds like from above and Out

00:29:11.250 --> 00:29:14.230
the window and just seeing the world like that,

00:29:14.230 --> 00:29:17.829
you know, we fly over Paris and you don't see

00:29:17.829 --> 00:29:21.029
like all the horns or you don't hear the traffic

00:29:21.029 --> 00:29:23.230
you can put your headphones on and you can really

00:29:23.230 --> 00:29:28.049
get into a place sometimes I see us like ants

00:29:28.049 --> 00:29:30.490
in a way like that you know like we get so stuck

00:29:30.490 --> 00:29:34.230
in our in our worries and fears while we just

00:29:34.230 --> 00:29:37.390
have this like amazing opportunity to be on this

00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:41.109
planet with all this beauty and all this light

00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:45.319
and all this magic all right Let's talk about

00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.339
some of the things that you learned you mentioned

00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:50.700
seven things Are you gonna be able to tell me

00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:53.819
the seven? Or just tell me a few doesn't matter

00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:56.259
how many or what order no, I don't I don't mind

00:29:56.259 --> 00:29:59.279
to tell you well I'll start the first one I've

00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.359
already told you is That this really links into

00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:03.900
what we were just talking about is that the earth

00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:08.180
is a paradise like I saw Sorry, the bells are

00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:11.500
going off here. I love hearing the bells. I know

00:30:11.500 --> 00:30:13.380
our listeners are not going to be able to hear

00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:17.660
them, but the bells just sound like Europe. Yeah.

00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:20.140
And they've been off and on the whole time we've

00:30:20.140 --> 00:30:23.819
been talking. Yeah, every 15 minutes they come.

00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.019
So the first thing I notice is that the earth

00:30:27.019 --> 00:30:29.880
is a paradise. I can go deeper in that, but I

00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.299
won't. The second is, you know, there's nothing

00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:37.980
to fear in the dark. was light, complete light,

00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.819
like there was zero fear in death. The third

00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:46.519
major thing is the lightness piece that I believe

00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:50.640
we are light, we are this light and my mission

00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.619
in life since then has really been to help others

00:30:54.619 --> 00:30:57.240
connect to that light through yoga, through meditation,

00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:01.279
through just sharing and like I said I want to

00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:05.480
now just scream to everyone and be like you don't

00:31:05.210 --> 00:31:07.829
Don't worry, don't look down at your phone all

00:31:07.829 --> 00:31:10.190
day. You are so much more than you think you

00:31:10.190 --> 00:31:12.809
are. You are this beautiful light. And to follow

00:31:12.809 --> 00:31:17.349
the light and to be light, the next one is, and

00:31:17.349 --> 00:31:19.390
it actually goes through the chakra system to

00:31:19.390 --> 00:31:22.809
really create a transformative process for the

00:31:22.809 --> 00:31:26.210
reader, for the person to experience. My goal

00:31:26.210 --> 00:31:28.569
has been for them writing this. I've worked on

00:31:28.569 --> 00:31:30.650
it for seven years, is to help them really...

00:31:30.730 --> 00:31:35.529
not just me tell what happened, but to also help

00:31:35.529 --> 00:31:38.250
the reader experience it for themselves. Because

00:31:38.250 --> 00:31:40.750
one of the biggest things that I learned is that

00:31:40.750 --> 00:31:44.390
death is amazing, but if we can take what we

00:31:44.390 --> 00:31:49.150
can see in death and live that in life and exploring

00:31:49.150 --> 00:31:51.250
death and talking about it, like you do, Eric,

00:31:51.269 --> 00:31:55.769
so good, helping people bring death to the surface,

00:31:56.190 --> 00:31:58.950
not as something taboo or dark or scary, because

00:31:58.950 --> 00:32:02.230
that is nothing like I saw when I was there,

00:32:02.630 --> 00:32:06.309
but just to talk about it and to bring it into

00:32:06.309 --> 00:32:09.650
our lives more. The unknown is always scary.

00:32:10.349 --> 00:32:13.490
And that's one of the reasons it's so awesome

00:32:13.490 --> 00:32:16.490
to talk to people that have died and come back,

00:32:16.829 --> 00:32:19.069
because it takes some of the fear out of it.

00:32:19.509 --> 00:32:21.329
And the people that I talk to, they're always

00:32:21.329 --> 00:32:23.009
telling me, Oh, I don't have any fear of death

00:32:23.009 --> 00:32:27.109
anymore. Okay. But that's because it's not so

00:32:27.109 --> 00:32:30.710
unknown for you as it is for most people, right?

00:32:31.650 --> 00:32:35.069
I'm curious. This is a profound thing to happen

00:32:35.069 --> 00:32:38.950
to somebody and you were only 16 years old. When

00:32:38.950 --> 00:32:41.109
you, I don't know how long it took you to get

00:32:41.109 --> 00:32:43.369
out of the hospital and get back to school and

00:32:43.369 --> 00:32:47.710
stuff, but how was Kara different? Because you

00:32:47.710 --> 00:32:50.410
weren't a regular 16 year old anymore after having

00:32:50.410 --> 00:32:54.670
an experience like this. Yeah, thank you. Before,

00:32:54.670 --> 00:32:59.750
like I said, I was angry and I believe I was

00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:02.150
even struggling with the eating disorder. I was

00:33:02.150 --> 00:33:09.130
just really lost. Coming back to my body, I was

00:33:09.130 --> 00:33:12.329
diagnosed with brain damage, so it wasn't overnight.

00:33:12.490 --> 00:33:15.390
It wasn't like the next day I felt like I do

00:33:15.390 --> 00:33:19.309
today. It was a long road of healing for years,

00:33:19.529 --> 00:33:23.740
but in quiet moments, like in my bath at night,

00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:28.480
I would remember what I saw and it changed everything.

00:33:28.539 --> 00:33:33.059
I was obsessed with learning more about the mind

00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:37.039
-body spirit. I was obsessed with learning about

00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.839
the brain and the body and other cultures, like

00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.480
what do they say about... I wasn't really interested

00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.559
in hearing what other people say about death

00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.609
because I had... It was such a huge, profound

00:33:49.609 --> 00:33:54.509
thing for me. I didn't need more explanation

00:33:54.509 --> 00:33:56.970
about that, but I did want to know more about

00:33:56.970 --> 00:34:00.609
the mind and the body. When I discovered yoga

00:34:00.609 --> 00:34:07.069
at 21 in university, in my early 20s, I couldn't.

00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:09.530
I took classes for probably a year, and then

00:34:09.530 --> 00:34:12.219
when I got hooked, when I started coming... back

00:34:12.219 --> 00:34:14.320
to those same feelings that I experienced in

00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:18.000
death. I quickly became a teacher and I could

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.280
not stop teaching anyone that would listen. I

00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.980
didn't want to spill my experience on death on

00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:28.639
everyone because it's something that I love to

00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:30.699
talk about, so I'm really thankful for you to

00:34:30.699 --> 00:34:33.659
talk about it, but it's also something that I

00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:36.420
don't talk about because it's a triggering subject.

00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:41.079
I test the waters sometimes. In France, I feel

00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:44.219
like it's even more difficult to talk about than

00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:48.199
in the U .S., but people are very uncomfortable

00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.880
talking about death, so I don't share this unless

00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.260
I really feel in a safe space because it was

00:34:54.260 --> 00:35:02.420
so personal and so beautiful. I think I was probably

00:35:02.420 --> 00:35:05.900
always a child that saw the beauty in life, but

00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:11.780
at 16 I had lost that. 16, I was completely,

00:35:12.340 --> 00:35:15.360
completely disconnected from that. It reconnected

00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.780
me even though it took years to the beauty of

00:35:17.780 --> 00:35:22.260
life, to the beauty of being alive. As you and

00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:25.599
I were chatting earlier, you mentioned that near

00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.800
-death experiences are something that you didn't

00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:33.940
even really research much until recently. And

00:35:33.940 --> 00:35:37.139
then you found us, this is the first time you've

00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:39.739
really talked in a in a big public forum like

00:35:39.739 --> 00:35:42.619
this. Tell me about that journey. Yeah, thank

00:35:42.619 --> 00:35:47.380
you. So when I became a mom, nine years ago,

00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:52.659
living in France, I began writing a lot. And

00:35:52.659 --> 00:35:56.519
I've realized I had taught yoga now for 15 years,

00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:59.380
but I realized like, there's something deeper,

00:35:59.539 --> 00:36:02.199
something more that I need to do. I think life

00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:05.159
became super precious to me. And I started thinking

00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.579
again about death. And what would happen if I

00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:11.760
was to die? What would I want to leave my daughters?

00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.719
So I began writing. I didn't also moving to France

00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.840
10 years ago. I didn't speak French and I don't

00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.880
live exactly inside of Paris, the town city that

00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.019
I live in. No one speaks English, so. It was

00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:31.679
a long road. Now I speak French, but for years,

00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.900
you know, every conversation was difficult. So

00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:35.480
I went straight to my journal, I went straight

00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.320
to writing, and I realized there was a very clear

00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:43.940
book coming out of me, a very clear message of

00:36:43.940 --> 00:36:47.659
share because I realized there are people that

00:36:47.659 --> 00:36:51.659
are scared of death. For a long time, I saw that

00:36:51.949 --> 00:36:54.670
My experience was a curse because I was no longer

00:36:54.670 --> 00:36:57.090
allowed to play sports again. I was no longer

00:36:57.090 --> 00:37:00.630
You know, there was so much that felt difficult

00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:04.429
about it at the time and now I realize what a

00:37:04.429 --> 00:37:08.650
gift it was especially since I got to come back

00:37:08.650 --> 00:37:14.309
and I think on the other side the one the ones

00:37:14.309 --> 00:37:16.909
of us that have passed our parents our grandparents

00:37:16.909 --> 00:37:20.369
are ancestors, you know, I think they're always

00:37:20.369 --> 00:37:23.570
kind of whispering in my ear saying, share, share,

00:37:23.730 --> 00:37:27.130
share. People need to know how lucky they are

00:37:27.130 --> 00:37:30.269
before their, I don't want to say before your

00:37:30.269 --> 00:37:34.949
time is up, but if we could have the opportunity

00:37:34.949 --> 00:37:37.929
to wake up to the beauty of life while we're

00:37:37.929 --> 00:37:42.510
still here, I truly believe, I mean, Eric, I

00:37:42.510 --> 00:37:44.489
don't know any other near -death experiences.

00:37:44.530 --> 00:37:48.670
I really haven't. I only know one person that

00:37:48.670 --> 00:37:52.090
came to me and shared in a yoga class that she

00:37:52.090 --> 00:37:54.670
had had a similar experience. But I know you

00:37:54.670 --> 00:37:59.250
know so many, so I may be off on this. But I

00:37:59.250 --> 00:38:01.650
think we all will have, you know, when we leave

00:38:01.650 --> 00:38:03.670
our body, it will be something similar, you know,

00:38:03.809 --> 00:38:06.829
going straight into pure love and seeing how

00:38:06.829 --> 00:38:10.590
beautiful everything is right now. But my question

00:38:10.590 --> 00:38:13.150
has been like, what if we can have that while

00:38:13.150 --> 00:38:16.099
we're alive? And so that's why I came out to

00:38:16.099 --> 00:38:18.079
share. That's why I'm writing my book. I have

00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.420
a lot of art. Just talking about death and bringing

00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:25.679
death to the table because for me I kind of feel

00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.039
like if we're not talking about death then we're

00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.639
not truly living because it is a big piece of

00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.639
life. And it's easier not to talk about. It makes

00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.420
everyone uncomfortable it seems around me and

00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:38.659
it makes me uncomfortable sometimes too and I

00:38:38.659 --> 00:38:41.800
get it. Like I'm terrified of losing my daughter

00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.019
and my husband. I have very vivid dreams and

00:38:45.019 --> 00:38:47.519
I dream about them dying and I am crippled the

00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.880
next day so I get why it's hard to talk about.

00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.800
For me, I know I have to share. I have to let

00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.239
people who are interested know kind of what it

00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.860
was like and sharing in a way of we travel a

00:39:01.860 --> 00:39:05.079
lot, we're getting ready to go to Japan on Sundays,

00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.739
sharing it in a way as I would someone who's

00:39:08.739 --> 00:39:11.619
interested in a different country. It was very

00:39:11.619 --> 00:39:15.860
vivid and it lives with me every single day and

00:39:15.860 --> 00:39:18.900
I feel like until I fully get it out and share

00:39:18.900 --> 00:39:23.099
it I'm not quite complete. Yeah it's funny something

00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:26.539
that you mentioned a minute ago because I don't

00:39:26.539 --> 00:39:29.179
feel like this podcast is about death isn't that

00:39:29.179 --> 00:39:32.400
weird it's even in the title and I don't feel

00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.099
like it's about death because well for the people

00:39:36.099 --> 00:39:39.199
that come on this podcast it was a very temporary

00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.400
thing it was a quick death get a glimpse of the

00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.340
other side, learn something, come back. Okay,

00:39:46.340 --> 00:39:50.280
let's talk about it. As someone just a couple

00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.639
of days ago explained to me, their dying felt

00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.920
like just walking into another room. It was so

00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:01.760
simple and so easy. And we talk about life in

00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.679
the fact that we have hope. Death is not an end.

00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:08.519
And so it doesn't need to be as scary of a thing

00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:12.519
as we think. Sure, we're going to miss people

00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.559
that have died. It's funny the old phrase, oh,

00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.179
they're in a better place. You know, it just

00:40:19.179 --> 00:40:25.039
seems so trite. But it's so darn true. It just,

00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.420
it just is. And those that we have loved and

00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:31.579
lost, we haven't, well, first of all, we haven't

00:40:31.579 --> 00:40:36.280
really lost. They really are in a great, great

00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.599
place. and we really will be able to see them

00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:45.019
again. And that's a beautiful thing. So, I don't

00:40:45.019 --> 00:40:47.679
know, maybe we should take death out of the whole

00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.340
terminology out of the equation here, but I digress.

00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.400
Why did you all of a sudden want to reach out

00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:00.920
and do this? And how'd you find us? I, the book

00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.460
I was telling you, I'm almost finished writing

00:41:03.460 --> 00:41:06.900
it and I thought, okay, if I'm going to put this

00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:09.820
book out into the world. I should start talking

00:41:09.820 --> 00:41:12.400
about it. The book is about talking about death.

00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:20.239
And so I just honestly did a little, like a two

00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.940
minute research and your podcast came up and

00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:27.400
I had a good feeling. And so I sent you a message

00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.539
and you instantly responded. And I was like,

00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:36.820
okay, here we go. So it was people saying, Things

00:41:36.820 --> 00:41:39.679
that are aligned are simple. It was that simple.

00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:48.179
It was really a heart -felt movement of reaching

00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:51.739
out. Well, I'm glad you did. It's been great

00:41:51.739 --> 00:41:54.219
getting to know you. Would you leave us with

00:41:54.219 --> 00:41:58.239
some kind of a message of hope today? Yeah, of

00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:05.329
course. To anyone listening, you are so... You're

00:42:05.329 --> 00:42:09.989
so powerful. You're so brilliant. You're so vibrant.

00:42:10.230 --> 00:42:13.670
You're so much more than you think you are. I

00:42:13.670 --> 00:42:17.610
think this morning I was with my three -year

00:42:17.610 --> 00:42:20.570
-old. They start school here in France at three,

00:42:20.869 --> 00:42:23.289
with all these kids from all around the world.

00:42:23.670 --> 00:42:26.409
And each of us, we have, you know, this beautiful

00:42:26.409 --> 00:42:30.090
gift of love and light and beauty. And we can

00:42:30.090 --> 00:42:34.840
get so stuck on what we're lacking. and we can

00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.440
watch the news and get stuck in how terrible

00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.639
the world is. Yes, there are a lot of things

00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:44.179
to make better, but I think as soon as we leave

00:42:44.179 --> 00:42:47.880
our bodies, we're going to see how amazing every

00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:51.500
little piece of life was. So the hope is that

00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:55.420
you are perfect just as you are and keep spreading

00:42:55.420 --> 00:42:57.739
your light and enjoy your time on earth because

00:42:57.739 --> 00:43:01.500
we are so truly lucky to be here. Like it is

00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:04.920
a paradise. Things happen, everything happens

00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:09.539
for a reason, I believe. And all is love. All

00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:12.320
is love. It's the bottom line. All right, Kara,

00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:17.510
thanks a lot. Thank you. Thanks again for listening

00:43:17.510 --> 00:43:19.949
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00:43:25.650 --> 00:43:28.170
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00:43:28.170 --> 00:43:30.150
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00:43:30.630 --> 00:43:33.630
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00:43:34.070 --> 00:43:36.230
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00:43:36.230 --> 00:43:38.650
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