Deb Dies In Car Accident at 8 Months Pregnant - Has Unusual NDE (Near Death Experience)

0:03 From the time that they pronounced me dead was a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped and I could see people screaming and crying but I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else. The only thing that I could feel if you could imagine absolute love and peace, there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I had known in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. I'm so grateful and happy that everything is finally working technology wise. I've got Deborah Haney with me here. Deb, how are you? Hi, I'm good. After all the shenanigans of getting this going. If listeners only knew what we have been through for the last 45 minutes, trying to make technology work, but it's working and that's all that matters. So anyway, welcome to the show. Thank you. Sorry for the rough beginning.

1:11 No worries. Learn something new every time you do that. Hey, I don't know if I warned you, but before we jump into your near death experience and all the other wonderful things that we're going to learn from you. Would you mind taking just one minute and letting our listeners get to know you so they know who Deb is? Just tell us a little bit about who you are. I guess I'll start with this. I'm a first -generation American. My parents were immigrants from Germany. My mom is gypsy. My dad is German. And in my mom's family, some of these spiritual things have been passed down from generation to generation. I have three grandchildren and four grandchildren. I am a, I guess I'm a psychotherapist, but I'm more of a spiritual psychotherapist. So I've worked much more in the spiritual realms. Gotcha. Thank you for that. Okay. I don't want to waste any more time after all this. I want to jump straight into it. We're going to go back to when you were only 26 years old. Yeah. And eight months pregnant, lead up to the accident. Tell me what was going on this day. So I had been working that day I had driven lived in actually in Illinois so I had been driving to a meeting and on my way back I was on the highway and There was a red truck that crossed across the highway To 15 year old boys not to their fault at all. We all make mistakes

2:43 Took their truck from the ranch, but really didn't know how to drive And so came across the road. It was a head -on collision. I remember bits and pieces of it, but basically my car was accordioned. So I took the jaws of life and I was in a massive accident. Yeah. Wow. Sorry. I don't know where to jump into this, but you were eight months pregnant. So any accident is really bad. What kind of injuries did you have? Were you conscious? What happened at the hospital? So it already started actually at the scene and I remember I remember just there were miracles like there were small miracles. One was there was a paramedic who was on his way to work who was actually behind me which expedited the ambulance getting there except they still had to cut me out of the car.

3:42 And there was a French woman who was out in her land who happened to be not that far away. And I just remember screaming and saying, I'm going to have this baby because I was out of my mind, to be quite honest. And then I sort of passed out. The next thing that I remember is the ambulance was there and I was in the ambulance. I remember hearing them say, as they were calling into the hospital, we don't know what to give her. We're losing her. And that's all I remember. Right. Before I went to the beyond. Let's talk about the went. What was the process like? Do you remember actually leaving your body or something like that? A lot of people look down on their body.

4:26 Tell me how it worked for you. When I left my body, it was more I didn't look back. That would be so me. I didn't look down at my body. I looked the other way. And I just remember being pulled. Pulled into like some people will say it's a tunnel. There isn't really a word for it. You're pulled into a portal that's probably what I would say pulled into a portal and The next thing that I knew I was in Stan Groff would call the void So Stan Groff would say like we experience God in one of two ways either People going into the light or people going into something called the void where there's nothing but everything but it's dark And that's where I was in that space.

5:13 And I should also say, as I was going into that, I also heard what I'm guessing was an angelic voice saying, don't worry, it's all gonna be okay, whatever that means. So when I got to this... void, this place. There were voices that were talking to me, very gentle. And I think what I remember most that will never ever leave me is this sense of peace that passes all understanding. There's absolutely no negative emotions, just pure love and pure peace to the point that I honestly did not even remember who I was. So these beings were saying welcome back we're so happy you're home isn't it beautiful here and isn't it wonderful here and all of those things and then they said the rocketing thing which was and you know you have a baby and I said I have no idea what you're talking about what are you talking about and they're saying well you're eight months pregnant if you choose to stay your baby, they will take your baby. Hopefully your baby will survive, will be raised then by your husband and whoever who knows down the road.

6:34 So they were sort of like letting me know what the outcome was going to be. And they said, but you can go back if you want to. And it was, it was like, it truly was in that moment, sort of this, I don't know what to do until like, somehow my wits came about me and I thought, I can't leave my baby for someone else to raise my baby. And as soon as I thought that, that's when the spiral back down happened. The thing that I remember most about coming back is so harsh. Going from pure bliss to going to pure hell again, because I was in so much pain and you hit that gurney and I hear the paramedics say, okay, we've got her back now. and going, Oh my God, what decision did I just make? Okay. All right. Let's pick some of this apart. This is great. There's a couple things that I don't get. And so I, and this is not skepticism. This is you try to help me fill in some blanks. Okay. And one of them is you don't see anything. You said it was dark, but a being that talked to you said, isn't it beautiful here? How does that work? It's a great question. So it's dark But these beings have a hue to them so they have a hue of Light just like not like bright as a star. Does that make sense? Yeah, like beauty doesn't always mean

8:04 it's visual beauty is I know a knowingness there it is a knowingness of where you are a sense of like what it feels like And I think even what it looks like, because now that you're saying that, I really do picture it. It is like being inside of this womb, but much greater than that. And everything is there, but nothing is there. I don't understand what that means. I know, it's so confusing. I've had other people tell me, try to explain the void before. And so with the little bit of frame of reference that I have, Maybe you can help fill in some of my blanks, because lots of people say everything is there and they feel connected to everything and everyone.

8:54 And I think I understand that. What I don't understand is everything and nothing. Because you can't see it. Yeah. So the nothing, so we think of energy, we can't see energy, but we feel energy. Think of if we were, this is a really bad example, but think of if we were in a MRI machine with our eyes closed, we would know we were inside of something and sort of what that felt like and possibly what it looked like just by feeling its dimensions and things like that. But magnify that times a thousand. Okay. And so in this space, maybe we could even say, let's think of this as like a womb. but it's not as small as a womb.

9:44 So everything exists within there, everything we would ever need, every connection to our own DNA, our parents' DNA, to beings that hang around us, to everything. And yet we're experiencing it in this whole different way. In fact, in the womb, in a way, there's the present, there's also the future, because you're developing into something. So that kind of makes sense to me. And even the past, right? Because our parents have DNA. We believe in past lives, which I do. We have our own soul's history, all of that.

10:24 Okay. What else can you remember from this? You talked about the peace, right? Did you call it overwhelming peace or overwhelming love? Remind me. Both. Overwhelming peace, overwhelming love. If I could put a word to it, I would put these two phrases. All that matters is love and everything that we need is right here. Sounds like a Beatles song. I like it. And in that space, this welcoming feeling of sort of like, how did I forget this exists? Cause we've been here many times before. How did, how can, how do we keep forgetting that that exists? And yet we incarnate and then Come back to that. It's a home if you will. It's the ultimate home. Yeah. So I guess what I want to come back to is just finish explaining if there's more to explain and then I want to talk about physically what was going on with you and baby.

11:25 So coming to this place. And I hesitate to even put a word to it, but for people who understand void versus the other, they're all the same thing. It's just a different experience. I think of the same thing. And going to that place is exactly like you said, like going to home that I think that I actually, cause when I've been with people who die, they say they want to go home, but they don't mean their house. They want to go home and This is the ultimate home. It is the place where everything is. And yet in our earth dimension, nothing is because it's not something we experience on an everyday level here on this planet in this dimension. Here's another way to describe it.

12:13 It's as if I had access to anything I would want. When one of the beings said to me, Well, you have a baby I I knew I could keep asking and I knew that I wouldn't be forced to do anything I knew that I could ask anything I wanted I knew that I could stay as long as I wanted that it was this very soulful interaction between higher beings and My own soul because I wasn't my body that was there. It was my soul Did you feel like they were trying to talk you into going back? I've thought about that many times over the years and I don't think so. I think they wanted me to make the decision for my soul so they wouldn't leave a piece out. Now what they didn't tell me interestingly is how I would fare in all this.

13:03 Should we talk about the physical side now? Maybe so because they did not like allude to any of that. Okay. That's always one of the hardest things about coming back. Right? You've been in a place with no pain peace love only good and then to feel that physical pain again I mean after all you've just been through this horrible accident. It sounds like the medical personnel I don't know. How did they revive you? Did they do you know did they shock you what happened? They had put something in my IV that Got the heart Whatever they would call it Like an adrenaline to restart it. That's a good one. Yeah, like an adrenaline I honestly never asked to be honest with you why they didn't do the shock but my guess is because I was eight months pregnant and that would have I Don't know what but with the adrenaline it worked Then I just remember I honestly don't remember much again until I got to the hospital and then there's just a whole lot of people everywhere Ended up going in an MRI machine because I had a broken hip and ribs had internal bleeding and right away because With a baby they get concerned about that. So they put the monitors on and they're checking all of that so Long story short and they're also

14:33 picking glass Crazily, this is what I remember the most the MRI everything hurts so bad, but they can't give you for it and not a lot of pain meds, right? And so what I remember most is the like four nurses picking glass out of my arms and out of my face and from the broken glass of the car and that hurting so bad. And maybe I just focused on that because I was too afraid to focus on anything else. Once they got the monitors on and I was in intensive care, the plan was to stabilize as much as they could. and then to do surgery because I had actually gone into labor. I was given medication to slow down the labor so it could stabilize enough to do a C -section and then do any repair that they needed to do. Here's where the miracle comes that I still don't quite understand. So the doctor, the... Obstetrician and the surgeon spent the night and they were coming in like every 10 minutes and somehow I fell asleep for a while and I remember before I fell asleep I had been praying which I'm not typically a religious person I'm a spiritual person but I kept praying because I kept thinking well if I decided to come back I Needed I need to do everything I can to make sure that this baby safe and that I'm that I'm gonna be okay and I woke up to the doctor over me, screaming

16:06 to the nurse to get another monitor for the pregnancy. And he puts the other one and he grabs me and looks me in the face and he's like, what did you do? Your labor has stopped. I don't know. I don't know. He said, I can't believe this because we were ready to do surgery in the morning and your labor has stopped. So we're just gonna watch you really close now. So I had been vomiting, not to be really gross, but I'd been vomiting. When you internal blade, you vomit a lot of black. So they had done another MRI to check all of that and had decided that they really didn't want to do the surgery for that and wait and see. I ended up going two days past my due date in the most miserable way, I will say that. But in the hospital, most of the time, At the very end, they would let me come home, but I would have to go to the doctor every day. And then my baby was born. Wow. How long were you in the hospital? Weeks, couple weeks. Did you have other broken bones besides what you mentioned? My hip was broken and my pelvis was cracked. As anyone who's broken their ribs before, it's so painful.

17:25 And what I remember most is At that point in time, he was already head down. It was my son and he was already head down, but he would kick as he got, as he got how, as he got more, he would kick. So I sat or slapped all the time with my hand tucked under my ribs to protect my ribs because every time he kicked, oh my gosh, I just about came through the roof. I don't think I've ever talked to anyone before that's had broken ribs while they were pregnant. That's a whole. A whole new level of pain right there. Yeah, it's really painful. And was baby okay when he was born? So he was healthy. Here's what I would say. He was physically healthy. Here's what was really interesting for anyone who doesn't think that when we're in utero, we don't hold memory. That's so false. He was a baby who was very, very attached to me and he would get upset really easily. When he was a baby, and I didn't catch it right away, but when he was a baby and ambulance or sirens would go by, he would just start shaking as if he were in a trauma response.

18:42 When he was two, I think I finally figured it out enough that he would, because he was constantly doing this. And then as it got older, he would hold his ears and just shake and shake and shake like he was in a trauma response. And so, I took him to an energy worker to help clear some of that because he shouldn't carry that. Wow, we don't think about those kinds of things. You talked about, I think you used the term spiraling when you came back down into your body. Explain that a little bit more. If the going to was like just gently being pulled up into this place. The coming away from it was leaving that place slowly, but then like if you're coming down a fast slide and then bam, that's what that felt like. So going from that to the gurney. And you keep smacking your hands. So was it kind of like a smack back in your body, slam in your body?

19:42 How would you describe it? What I remember most is like slam back in my body and feeling that hard gurney because the gurneys and ambulances because of what was happening and how I was strapped and everything. It was a hard gurney. And I remember just feeling so uncomfortable. Tell me what you learned from all this. How did it change your life? Radically. Wow, there's so many ways it changed my life. I always speak my truth about what it was what it was like for me. I'm not saying that it's like this for I know many people have had near -death experiences and just felt glorious and all of that. For me, that was not the case. In all honesty, I had a deep depression.

20:23 Having a baby and being in so much pain, it made me really go to that place of like, I don't know if I like this earth. I don't know if I like this. However, that being said, when I had my second child, we moved to Colorado. And that is truly when the magic started happening. And it all I truly believe it all came from this. I feel like the near -death experience was a part of my journey. It was supposed to be. I was fortunate enough to connect with a therapist who I was doing some trauma work around, around this accident. But panic was getting worse, not better. And she contacted someone, his name is Stanislav Grof. I'm not sure if you're familiar.

21:10 He's a very brilliant psychiatrist who developed holotropic breathwork. He was doing research with Timothy Leary and that whole crowd in those days and came over from Prague. And when he developed holotropic breathwork, he would talk often about these different experiences. She was connected with him, which in turn, then I became connected with him and he told her to just keep me in this until it passed through because this would be an initiation of some sort. He said, don't worry about it. Teachers will come along the path. And I'm like, well, screw this. I don't want to be initiated into anything. I just want to feel better. But the truth is that really did happen. I got past it. I had shamanic teachers who came upon my path who then said, this is your journey. This is part of what you're needing to learn and the near -death experience was part of your initiation. So I went kicking. I did not want to do this. I said, I'm not going to do that work. That's not who I am. We can sometimes say no all we want, but it keeps coming back in front of us, right? And so I started to learn all of that. And it was true as I studied more and learned more that there are like, and I knew none of this before. There are certain kinds of initiations that would be looked at in tribal communities that would bring people into that space. And a near -death experience was one of

22:43 the prime ones. We're just about done. But before I ask the last couple of questions, was there anything else on this whole journey that you wanted to fill in for us? It's not about me, but it's about my son. Because my son who was born in this, I... sometimes think he was supposed to. He ended up spending much of his time in Nepal and India and Tibet. He now translates Sanskrit and he speaks many languages and he teaches Buddhism. And so I don't know, that's his journey and we've talked about it on and off, but I sometimes wonder if this wasn't part of his journey as well. It really sounds like it, doesn't it? Doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. How much fear of death do you have? This is what I always say, I have no fear. And then when the time comes when you know you're gonna die, who knows, right?

23:37 But I do, I get called sometimes by hospice to journey, to journey with people into their own deaths. And when you journey with people into their death, it's so beautiful to watch what their journey across is. Can I share the death of my father? Yeah. I was just going to ask for an example. So go ahead and tell us about his. There's actually two that come to my mind that were so beautiful. So when my father passed away. So think about my father. He was, he worked on Apollo. He was like an engineer. He worked on Apollo. He figured out how to bend titanium. So totally a science mind. He was not spiritual at all. When he was dying of cancer, he came to me with shock and asked me if I would help him, help him die, help him cross. I said, well, you know what that means. You know that I drum and I go in and journey. And he's like, that's what I want. And he started to cry. Oftentimes hospice gives you that three hour window, right?

24:43 Where they think people, someone will pass. So my mom and my sister and I, went to him and I had all my things with me, my drum and my rattle, and I could tell that he was starting to go. So when someone journeys for someone, when they're dying, you actually go with their soul. You actually help their soul leave and you actually get to see what happens at that very beginning. It's not always like horrendous, you know, like the bad things that I went through. The first thing that happened was, and this was in a hospice facility, not a hospital. There were many people down the hall and all of that. And when he, when his breathing started to really change, then I saw a whole line of elephants come walking towards him. Or anyone listening should know that he did love elephants and I have a love of elephants too, but I've never seen them in a journey. And there was a whole row of them, I don't know, maybe 20. It came towards him and they started to circle his bed. Just circle and circle and circle and circle. And then they stopped and the biggest one took his trunk and lifted his soul onto his back, turned around and started to walk towards the light. So there there was this beautiful light of the very far away, but it was there. The second elephant behind him said, you can come to the edge, but you know, you can't cross through. Speaking to you, not

26:14 him. Me. And I said, OK. So I rode on that elephant's back. And then there was a whole row behind that. We got to the edge of the light. They all stopped. And the elephant that I was on said, you have to know you have to get off now. And so I did. And only like through talking to my mom and my sister, who were right there, because I'm in a journey. As soon as I got off the elephant, the elephants walked into the light. they lined up in a straight line like looking at us it was at that moment that my dad took his last breath and at that exact moment all the elephants raised their trunks and there was this incredible bright light like it consumed everything in the room and Trumpeted to the point that and this is truth half of that hall woke up weeping Because it was nighttime. It was three in the morning Two of the nurses came running into the room wondering what was happening and they were sobbing It was so beautiful That's a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing and my father had a tortured life. So for me that that was so beautiful because he had been He had been in Siberian prison camps and you know survived quite a bit. So then I thought And I had already sat for other people, but I began to think this is what's so important for our loved ones to know, like what was it

27:46 like for them. So I had gotten a call from Hospice that there was a Native American man in the Native American tradition. This is the way it would go anyway, is to drum for that person and go with them. And I happened in the time to be in Hawaii facilitating a retreat. And so Hospice called and said, we have a Native American man. He really wants you to come. journey with him. I said, I'm in Hawaii. I think this was on a Tuesday maybe or a Monday. I'm like, I can't, I won't be back until Friday, but I'll, and they said, oh, he'll never make it till Friday. He's already in a coma and he's modeling and all of that. And I said, okay, well, when I fly in, when I know that I'm landed, I'll check with you and see. So this is what's really funny.

28:33 So When I got off the plane, I called immediately, I called hospice, and this man, his two daughter, his two estranged daughters, I should say, had called a priest because they wanted his last rites to be read. He sat up out of a dead coma and told the priest to get the fuck out of there. Then laid back down and went in a coma and he waited. I couldn't believe it, he waited. So I got home, I got my things, I went right over to hospice. His two estranged daughters were there, I knew nothing about this man. And he was ready to go, there's no doubt. And so I just began the journey, I began the drumming. In his particular case, when he left his body, we were on like a pathway around this beautiful lake.

29:24 And there was a very old woman who came to greet him and he was just weeping. She took his hand and they began to walk around the lake going this way. And as they walked around from the side, there was a whole herd of pinto horses who had run to greet him as well. And just as that happened, he took his last breath and that was that. But I was very confused. So it's best. in my world that I not know things because then I really trust it and so I asked the daughters like what was his life story like so here's what his story was he grew up on the rez and his mother couldn't take care of him so he was sort of abandoned at a young age and the tribe sort of took care of him but then he left the tribe and guess what He lived on a small farm. He had these two children, but these two girls he sort of abandoned too.

30:21 And then later in life, they sort of had a little bit of contact with each other. Guess what he did for his hobby? He raised mental horses. And then I said, well, who's this older woman? Well, it was his mother who had abandoned him. Came to get him. Came to get him. It was a beautiful story in a sense. So it's always like where I go to that no matter how we die or no matter what preceded that, we still go to these beautiful, we go home, we go to these beautiful places and how we go may be different for each person, but it's still beautiful. Deb, thanks so much for all that you do, for helping all of these people and for sharing these great stories with us today.

31:08 I really appreciate it. Thank you. and hopefully it will help someone else. That's the whole idea. That's what this show is all about. Yeah. Is we're just delivering a message of hope out there for everybody. Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath .com. If you want to share your near -death experience, or if you have questions or comments about the show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.