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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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On back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and welcome, welcome all over the world, wherever
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you're listening from, and especially during this holiday season.
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We have a nice guest today, Ray Katanya.
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Good morning, how are you?
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Good morning, Eric.
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Thank you for having me on the show.
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I'm honored and grateful.
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Well, you're welcome.
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Morning, afternoon, evening, wherever we are.
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I know it's afternoon for you.
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You're on the east coast of the US, correct?
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Yes.
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I'm on the New York, New Jersey border.
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It's the first suburb outside of the city, and I also touch with upstate New York, so
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it's nice.
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You get the best of both worlds.
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That's a beautiful area.
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You don't have much of that accent.
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You're not near Brookland or anything.
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Wait for it.
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Wait for it.
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It'll come out.
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I've been trying to lose yours.
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Well, before we jump into your near-death experience, and I'll let our listeners know,
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as they already know, every experience is different, and yours is different too, and
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I love that, and that's going to be a lot of fun.
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This happened to you back when you were a teenager.
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But tell us a little bit about you so we can get to know you a little bit first.
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So today, I am a life coach.
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I just got my master's degree in metaphysics, so I teach metaphysics as well.
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I love the fact that in metaphysics, we bring science to spirituality, and because I come
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from such a skeptical background myself, the title of my first book is The Atheist in the
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Afterlife, I was the atheist, obviously.
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And so I was a big skeptic.
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And in order for me to overcome that, I needed to learn the science behind it.
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So I had a combination of formal education, but I also had the informal education, where
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I had several mentors who were great to me.
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And so the combination of learning from all of those sources, as well as I'm a voracious
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reader, I felt like it enabled me to coach people in a way that was a little different
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than most.
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And it seems to be working well for them.
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So I think that this is where my calling is, and I left the business world a few years
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back.
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And this is what I've decided to devote my life to, and it's been going very well ever
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since.
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Scientists are all into the scientific theory, the way they prove things.
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Just very briefly.
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I don't want an hour jumping down this rabbit hole, but tell me how this works.
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How does science prove these things?
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So when you can find a scientific theory that's behind pretty much any spiritual theory, but
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you have to look for it.
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And in order for it to be in the second book, I have to find that, have to fine tune it.
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And I also have to replicate it.
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So let's I'll give you an example.
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Let's look at the law of attraction.
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We were familiar with the movie and the book, The Secret, and you can manifest and you can
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attain things.
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And yes, that is true, right?
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But how does that really work?
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What's behind the curtain that makes that work?
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Well, as Tesla told us, energy, frequency and vibration are the three key elements to the
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universe.
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If you want to know the secrets, they lie there.
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Very true statement for this.
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The law of vibration supports the law of attraction.
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When we think thoughts are things, when we say things, words are things, we emit an energy
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and that energy is on a specific frequency.
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And when you emit that energy, you try to send it out as many times as you can in order
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to attract the item you want to attract.
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Now the item has to be on the same frequency.
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How do you align your frequency with an inanimate object?
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You think about it, you visualize it, you see it, you use all your five physical senses,
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senses in your sixth sense, which is your consciousness.
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And you put it in there and you smell it and you taste it.
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You're not really smelling it and tasting it, but you are doing it in your conscious mind
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and you're emitting that frequency.
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You're now on the same vibration as whatever it is that you're looking to acquire.
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Well, like attracts like.
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We know that if I dial myself, if I do, if I pick up my cell phone, I dial your number,
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your phone rings because we are now on the same frequency.
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It's that simple.
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So the law of attraction works like a cell phone.
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It works like a satellite dish and a radio picking up a radio station.
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There's no difference.
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You connect and you receive the information and you can apply scientific principle to
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just about anything that we examine in the spiritual world.
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That is a great description, a very succinct description.
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I like that a lot.
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Thank you.
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Let's go back to what were you 14 years old?
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20, 20.
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Sorry, 20 years old.
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So you weren't a teenager.
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My apologies on that.
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Just no worries.
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It was just after the teenage years.
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I had a rough childhood.
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I guess you could say that it was one in a home that wasn't particularly the Brady Bunch
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type.
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It was a little rocky and I spent a lot of time by myself and trying to escape the things
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that were transpiring in the home.
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Chaos became my comfort zone.
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And ultimately, as I got into my teenage years, I became self-destructive and then that went
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on into my 20s.
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I would put myself in situations to up the ante, if you will, that were more and more
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dangerous.
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I took jobs where I would work with dangerous people.
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I did things with dangerous people.
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And I took a lot of chances.
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And I did a lot of things that I'm not proud of today.
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And this is why I've decided to dedicate my second half of my life to helping people,
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but not to get off the topic.
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When I was 20, I had a lot of near-death experiences.
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Now, I'm a little confused as to why we're calling it a near-death because that was the
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real death when I actually died.
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The near-deaths were the ones where the shootouts where I somehow got out of there by crawling
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around the bar and getting out the side door from a source from above that's telling me
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to go out the side door.
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I always had that spiritual guide, if you will, that stuck by me.
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Why I have no idea.
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I certainly didn't deserve it.
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Let's call those a brush with death.
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You know, like we have on the freeway.
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When somebody about runs us off and we call that a near-death experience, that's not what
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this show's about.
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I got you.
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Those are brushes with death.
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But yes, when people actually die and come back.
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And by the way, we had Dr. Raymond Moody on this show a little while ago.
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He's the one that termed the phrase near-death experience.
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So if anybody wants to know where that came from, go back and listen to his episode.
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So also to give him credit, we're going to stick with that terminology.
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Sure.
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Let's talk about not brushes with death, but when you had an experience where lights were
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out.
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So I'm 20 years old and I am still living at home with my parents at this time.
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And I was sleeping.
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And what had happened was the stove and the kitchen was directly beneath my bedroom where
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I was at that time.
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And the stove was leaking gas all night long.
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We don't know how long it was running for.
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In the morning, my mom woke up, turned the stove on to make breakfast, poof, the stove
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goes up in flames.
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It goes out rather quickly because there's a safety valve on the gas.
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It wasn't the fire that harmed me.
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It wasn't the smoke.
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It was the gas fumes.
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They were rising into my room all night long.
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So I hear the fire trucks and I hear the commotion.
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I hear the police.
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And I'm trying to get up to see what's going on.
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And I find that I can't get myself out of bed paralyzed.
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Most of my body will not move.
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My legs were so heavy I could not move them.
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My head, I couldn't get it off the pillow.
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And I know something is very, very wrong.
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I can't even yell for help.
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My right arm works.
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So I utilize that and I pull myself to the edge of the bed, but I don't get there.
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I pass out.
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And then some noises downstairs that wakes me up again and I know I got to get out of
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this bed.
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I pulled myself again.
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I passed out a second time.
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And now I'm like, if I don't get myself out of this bed, I'm gone.
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I know this for a fact.
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And I pull with everything I have and I tumble out of the bed.
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Now I fall face first.
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And as I'm falling, I don't feel the hit on the floor.
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I don't feel that pain that you're supposed to feel when you hit the floor.
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Because in this moment, I'm not in that body any longer.
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Now I'm above it and I'm in the corner of the room and I'm looking down at my lifeless
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body.
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The colors of the room are more vibrant.
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They are more, it's an entire different way of seeing the world.
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I felt like I could manipulate that world.
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And I'm not really sure what's happening in this moment, right?
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And there is this huge cone shape, beautiful white light that is shining only on me in
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the corner of the room.
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This light comes with it, the most euphoric, beautiful feeling I've ever felt in my entire
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life.
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The more I go into the light that euphoria begins to increase and there is a being at
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the, I guess at the end of the light who's telling me it's okay, it's safe, right?
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Come into the light.
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It's okay.
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And so I want to go and I begin to go.
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And then my father comes in the room and he sees me on the floor and he scoops me up and
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he's screaming and crying for the paramedics.
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Now we didn't have a great relationship, he and I, to say the least.
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But in that moment when I saw him holding me and so distraught that something had happened
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to me, I asked the being if I can return because I can't leave him that way.
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And it was breaking my heart.
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I always wanted, that was probably one of the few times my dad hugged me ever and I was
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dead.
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So I wanted that so badly.
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And when I came to, I was not there.
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I was in the living room and I woke up and I was still in the state of euphoria.
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My whole body was just tingling and it felt like, no, I mean, I've done a lot of drugs
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in my life.
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I've never felt this feeling.
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You can't match it.
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You can't top it.
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There's just, there's no words to describe it and the paramedics are doing their things
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and they're using their tools and equipment on me and they're like, hurry up, get the
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truck.
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We got to get this guy out of here.
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We got to get him to hospital and like, guys, guys, relax, I'm fine.
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I'm fine.
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I'm better than fine.
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You should have seen what I just saw.
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Anybody see the light?
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Did anybody hear the voice?
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And these guys are looking at me like I'm loony tunes and I'm thinking, well, I better shut
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up because they're going to send me to the wrong hospital.
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And then I can't check myself out of.
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All right, before we go further and I want to hear all the rest of the detail.
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Yeah.
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But before you move on, I want to pick this apart just a little bit.
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If you don't mind.
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Go for it.
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Yeah, no.
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And I know this was, this was very brief.
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This was probably just a few, I'll call it moments because we don't know if it's seconds,
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minute or, you know, whatever.
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And that's okay.
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It doesn't change.
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How do I put this?
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Being a short NDE can be just as life changing as having a two hour or two day NDE.
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And I believe that's what happened to you.
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That certainly is what I'm seeing on your face right now.
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Please explain this euphoria more.
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Is there any, are there any other words you can use to explain what it felt like?
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I can tell you, I can give it to you this way.
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When I came back to my body at not originally, but when I was in the hospital, eventually
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I'm sitting in the bed, the, the pain of everything that you have, like let's say you broke a
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finger when you were a kid and you never got it fixed and it always bothers you a little
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bit, maybe when it rains, little arthritis sets in there, all those little things that
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are wrong with us.
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When you're back in your body and you're no longer just an energetic being, it hurts
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like you know what, it's so painful when you come back into your body, you feel every
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little aches, all the aches and pains that are in your body all at once.
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And I, I was like, Oh my God, I made the wrong choice.
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I want to go back to the light.
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I want to mulligan, give me a do over.
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Come on guys.
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You know, I just, I wanted to die.
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I wanted to go back.
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What, what, what did I come back here for?
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The hug?
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I didn't have that opportunity though, did you?
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No, no, no take backs on that one.
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No, tell me about, tell me about the light and the being.
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Did you see a being or just feel that there was a being there?
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No, you, you, I felt the being and the power of the be everybody says, can you explain
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the voice and, and it's a, and I say it's a blue voice.
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No one understands that.
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I don't even understand it, I associate the voice with the color blue and I don't know
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why I'm, am I hearing blue?
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The same senses and the way we use them here are not the same, the way we would use them
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there.
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You can hear color, you can see a sound.
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It's, it's a different environment that allows you to do different things than you can do
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here, which is why when we're, we can tap into that sixth sense and learn those abilities
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and get a taste of that while we're here, because we are those energetic beings.
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They are a part of us.
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They are our conscious mind and they run through our entire body.
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We can tap into that.
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So what you experience when you first cross over is the euphoric state.
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Like I said, there's just no other feeling you're in an energetic, you're an energetic
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being.
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There's no pain.
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There is no emotional state that is remotely negative.
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There's no bad feelings.
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There's no, no sadness, but I mean, I wasn't there that very long, like you pointed out.
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So could there be sadness?
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Yeah, maybe.
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But at that moment, all I wanted to do was go forth to the being at the end of the light
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and, and see what was there.
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And it was, you know, that relationship that I never had with my dad that I wanted so badly
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that I had, I wanted to come back and that we never had that relationship.
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So like I said, if I could do it all over again, there's no way I'd come out of the
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light.
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It was such euphoria.
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I don't have another word.
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I wish I did.
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A lot of people use the word love.
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Did you feel love?
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Yeah, yeah, you feel at all positive.
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The light hugs you.
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It's it.
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Yes.
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That's a great way to explain it.
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The light is just like everything.
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And you you become one with that light as you go further and further in.
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I can only imagine what's on the other side.
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Others have gone all the way across.
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Now I looked for somebody else who had an NDE after I did because I wanted to.
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We didn't have computers in the internet back then.
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So I was trying to find someone or a group or anything that I could compare notes with
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that I couldn't find anybody.
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And in fact, when I would talk about it, people would think I'm absolutely crazy.
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And I come from a Christian home and these things are not really talked about.
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Really unless you're saying, well, you know, I definitely saw God and whatnot.
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And I did not see God.
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It's not it's frowned upon.
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And my mother went through a long time of denial.
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I mean, let's face it, you know, her son died on her watch.
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So this this devastated her.
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And I get that.
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So she went through years of denial saying it never happened.
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And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to let this rest.
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And I'm going to figure out because I prefer atheism where I don't have to figure things
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out.
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That's easier for me.
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So I figured this is what I did.
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I chalked it up in my head.
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The white light was the sun coming through the window.
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The hallucinations I had were because I was breathing in gas.
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And that explains that's a rational explanation for what happened.
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And that's what I'm going to carry around with me.
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There you go.
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I can't figure this out.
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You sound like you're not an atheist anymore, though.
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You keep talking past tense.
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No, no, I was there.
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Just a quick break to tell you about an exciting program that we have coming up.
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One of our favorite guests on the show, Jeff Jansen.
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I believe he was episode number 328.
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If you want to go back and listen to it.
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Anyway, Jeff is offering a special discount on his master class series called What Really
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Now, back to the interview.
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So that experience didn't change you from an atheist to a believer.
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What did?
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Was it just time that went by or what made that change?
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What happened after I came back, I was always able to read energy to a degree.
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I was in isolation.
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So imagine meditating for hours and hours and hours.
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I would stay a frightened kid in a room staring at a wall waiting for everything to end and
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then I could come out of the room or just fall asleep.
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So I'm meditating for hours and hours and I can start to see energy.
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After I cross over and I come back, these beings come with me and it was only about
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two years later that I get my first apartment and I'm like, this is going to be great.
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We're going to parties all the time and girls over and this is going to be phenomenal.
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None of that ever happened because I would go into my house and my apartment was filled
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with energy of the deceased.
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And I was like, my house is haunted.
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And again, I don't believe in this stuff, right?
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So I'm literally, they're turning the lights on and off.
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I turn the TV on, the TV goes off.
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I pick up the phone.
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There's nobody there.
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I remember talking to my friend one time on the phone and I said, you know, I think my
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house is haunted.
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And I said it in jest.
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We were kidding.
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I was kidding anyway.
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No, I don't know if I was.
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The phone goes click.
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I called him back.
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I said, why'd you hang up on me?
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This is a landline.
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We didn't have cell phones yet.
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I called him back.
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I said, why'd you hang up on me?
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I said, why'd you hang up on me?
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You hung up on me.
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Click.
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There it goes again.
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Yeah, that didn't used to happen on landlines.
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Right.
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That was super rare.
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Right.
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So, I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Now I'm calling the maintenance guy and they think I'm nuts because they're like, listen
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kid, there is nothing wrong with this place.
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Okay.
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Don't call us anymore.
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And I was like, okay, all right.
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So I move out in 10 months out of that place because I'm convinced it's the place.
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So I go into my new place and guess what?
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Same thing.
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It's not the place.
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It's Ray.
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And I have to start coming to terms with this because they're not going to leave me alone.
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I could not sleep.
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I started using tremendous amounts of drugs and alcohol to sleep.
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Tremendous amounts because I needed to turn that off and I couldn't turn it off.
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And it took many, many, many years.
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And eventually it was when I got married around 30, I had two children of my own.
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And there was no more of that Ray living life on the edge.
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Didn't care if he died because now I had two kids that were dependent on me.
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So I drove myself, checked myself right into rehab, gave him the keys, said, don't let me
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out until I'm clean.
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I have not had a drink and I'm going on my second decade.
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I went back to college.
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I got my degree.
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I got a real job in New York.
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I worked my way up the ladder.
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I did very well.
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I came back to New Jersey, did the same thing in the New Jersey company, did very well
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again.
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Keeping these beings almost like we had a deal.
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They were there, but I'm not going to talk to you because I don't believe in you.
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So don't waste your time trying to drive me nuts.
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However, I get divorced in probably two or three years.
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That marriage goes, you know, falls to pieces.
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And many, many years later, I decide to date, takes me a long time before I decide to date.
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And I go on one of those internet sites and I see the woman and I said, wow, you know,
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that's her.
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That's my wife.
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So I joined that particular site and I send one email to that woman and I said, hi, I'm
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Ray, you're going to be my wife.
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And of course she's going to think I'm nuts.
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But she thought it was funny and she answered me back.
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Currently we're married.
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We live in this house.
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We have four children.
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So we're dating.
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And what happens as we're dating is I start seeing one of these energy beings I'm seeing
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as like a person and he is almost front and center.
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And he says the same sentence to me over and over and over.
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He says, I effed up.
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I made a mistake.
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You can help her.
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I cannot.
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That is the message that he keeps giving me repeatedly.
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I don't know who the man is.
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I don't know why he's talking to me.
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That's the clearest I've ever seen an energy being turning himself into a almost a human
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form.
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I'm not seeing with my eyes and not hearing with my ears.
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This is all in here.
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Third eye, sixth sense.
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He will not stop giving me this message.
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It's like a video loop that replays over and over.
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It started on a Friday.
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It was every hour.
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Then it was every half hour.
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Then it was every 15 minutes.
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Now I'm at the point where I think I'm insane.
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I remember the moment I was in the store.
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I was in CVS and I was paying for my stuff and I don't know what I did.
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Maybe I paused whatever I did the latest.
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Sir, are you okay?
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And I said, absolutely not.
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And I walked out to my car and I sat there.
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I just started dating this woman.
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Okay.
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And I'm like, I'm thinking I got to get my affairs in order.
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I got to make sure my will is written.
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I got to make sure I don't have a DNR.
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I'm not, I'm going back to the light.
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That's it.
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I'm not coming back here.
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And I think I'm losing my mind.
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This woman happens to be a doctor of psychology and neuropsychology by trade.
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So I'm thinking I'm going to lose her anyway.
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Maybe she can get me the help that I need.
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But there's another part of me that wants to try to shove this into a box and make it
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not real somehow so I can keep dating her because I love her.
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By Sunday evening, I can't function.
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I can't drive.
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I can't do anything.
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This man is just constant.
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So I take it to her and I said, listen, you know, there's something I got to tell you.
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I, I,
491
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,160
We're going to think I'm crazy.
492
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,920
You're going to think I'm crazy.
493
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,200
And then I'll tell you more if you want.
494
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,200
Right.
495
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,240
And, and so, but, so the reaction I thought I was going to get is she's going to run
496
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,240
for the hills.
497
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,240
She's going to give me a phone number.
498
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,600
She's going to say, call these people and never call me again.
499
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,320
And I got a completely different reaction.
500
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,080
She said, Oh, that sounds like my dad.
501
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,280
Is he coming through?
502
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,640
He always comes through.
503
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,880
I've seen other mediums.
504
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,880
You're probably a medium.
505
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,400
I said, what the hell is a medium?
506
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,600
What are you talking about?
507
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,760
And she goes on to explain.
508
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,200
She's very rational, common rational about this whole thing.
509
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,800
And I'm like, do you understand there's, there's a guy here and, and, and she goes, yes, I
510
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,800
understand.
511
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,800
You're probably a psychic medium.
512
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,800
You don't know it.
513
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,600
And I was like, I don't know what that is, but it doesn't sound good.
514
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,600
So I'm not great.
515
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,600
You tell me I'm not crazy.
516
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,600
I'm crazy.
517
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,520
And she's a scientific person too.
518
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,640
She's a scientific person.
519
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,560
I guess you're both crazy.
520
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,040
I'm kidding.
521
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,240
We have to be, we have to be, you can't make this stuff up.
522
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800
I said, but I saw the photo of your father.
523
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,920
This guy does not look like your dad.
524
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,920
Okay.
525
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,600
And she says, I tell her what he looks like.
526
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,440
He's got a full beard, mustache, thick black hair.
527
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,200
He's a husky guy.
528
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,800
And she's like, the picture you saw was 20 years old.
529
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,520
He was much lighter and he was clean shaven.
530
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,280
He goes, let me show you.
531
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,640
And she goes through her phone and she shows me a photo of the guy and I said, you know
532
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,640
him.
533
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,640
And she said, that's my dad, silly.
534
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,640
That's great.
535
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,640
You can talk to him.
536
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,640
Now I can talk to him.
537
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,640
Wow.
538
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,920
So did that help you deal with all this?
539
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,600
Did he quit nagging you with this message every 30 minutes?
540
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,240
Second, I gave her the message.
541
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,000
He was gone.
542
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,440
That's what I was supposed to do.
543
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,440
Okay.
544
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,280
I need to ask you another question kind of in relation to this because you mentioned
545
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,320
how some of this started with your phone clicking dead and stuff.
546
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:11,200
I've had a few other people on this show that sometime after their NDE is usually within
547
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,760
the first couple of years, they have some interesting energy things happen.
548
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:24,120
Like one person was telling me recently, she went in to buy a new cell phone and it was
549
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:30,120
an Android and no offense to Androids, but she's picking it up and it literally, the
550
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,720
thing completely dies.
551
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,840
Like the guy in the store can't make it work.
552
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:41,820
So he gives her another one and she starts talking on it and it completely dies.
553
00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:46,880
Not just that call dropped, but the phone is dead and gone.
554
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:53,080
And they do that three or four times before they finally give up and try a different kind
555
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,080
of phone.
556
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,360
Again, I don't think the brand is the problem.
557
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,000
And I've had a couple of other people tell me things like that, like dispensing their
558
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:07,680
own gas at the gas station and something about the energy, but they haven't felt this negative
559
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,440
being presence like you explained.
560
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,520
He wasn't negative.
561
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,200
He was just persisting.
562
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,200
Okay.
563
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:20,400
This message actually turned out to be a lifesaver for another person in the family.
564
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,960
And we didn't know that at the time.
565
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,080
We didn't know what the message was.
566
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,080
We had to piece it together.
567
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:30,640
It took a long time and we got more messages and we had to figure it out because it came
568
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,800
in drips and drabs.
569
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,760
It's not like I can have a conversation.
570
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,240
It's like little piece, little piece, little piece.
571
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:42,160
And we eventually put it together and we were like, oh my God, we have to save somebody's
572
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,160
life here.
573
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,320
This is serious.
574
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,920
And we did and the whole story is in the book.
575
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:54,320
And the first message I ever get is one of life or death to make all things, to just
576
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,120
pile it on.
577
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,200
So I went from crazy to saving somebody's life in like four weeks.
578
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,160
And she says, let me take you to a medium so you guys can sit down a real medium and
579
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,560
you can talk about what you're seeing and she can tell you how she sees things and, you
580
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,840
know, maybe you can get a grip on it and whatever.
581
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,480
And I said, yeah, that sounds great.
582
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,560
Let's do that.
583
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,840
So I do that.
584
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,560
And I meet with her and I remember she makes two appointments.
585
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,480
My wife makes one for herself and one for me.
586
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,480
She goes, you want to go in first?
587
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,440
Then I said, oh yeah, I'm going in first because I'm petrified.
588
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,720
And if I go second, I'm not going.
589
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,800
So I went in and I sat down and I said, hi, I'm Ray.
590
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,840
And she goes, oh, you're that Ray.
591
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,840
And I said, I beg your pardon?
592
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,280
She goes, have a seat, Ray.
593
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,280
Why are you here?
594
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,280
I said, because I'm crazy.
595
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,200
She said, what do you mean you're crazy?
596
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,280
I said, I see people.
597
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,440
She goes, I do too.
598
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,240
And she's like, you know, she's making me laugh.
599
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,640
And I'm like, no, no, no, you don't understand.
600
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,720
And then I go on to explain how it happens.
601
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,240
And she goes, stop talking.
602
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,720
That's exactly the way it happens.
603
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,080
That's exactly the way it happens.
604
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,640
And then I told her two other types of premonitions
605
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,160
that I had.
606
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,920
And she goes, stop talking.
607
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,800
That's the way it happens.
608
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,400
She goes, this is very rare, especially for a man.
609
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,960
Most men cannot do this.
610
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,560
And I said, yeah, I know, I'm lucky if I can walk and chew
611
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,560
gum at the same time.
612
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,320
My wife can do 46 things.
613
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,880
I can do two.
614
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,480
And she's like, just relax.
615
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,440
I said, OK, so I'm not crazy.
616
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,520
You are not crazy.
617
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,800
Now, is it better to be crazy?
618
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,400
Or is it better now?
619
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,920
What do I do with this thing that I now have?
620
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,920
And I don't mean the man.
621
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520
I mean the fact that I can talk to people.
622
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,440
Because now the messages start flowing.
623
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,800
And I keep giving them to my wife.
624
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,040
And she keeps knowing who they're for.
625
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,880
And I'm still fighting this.
626
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,560
I'm like, this is not real.
627
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,640
I said, OK, OK.
628
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,520
I said, I got a message.
629
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,360
This is what it is.
630
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,280
I told her what it was.
631
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,760
She knows who it's for.
632
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,880
I said, by the way, the last thing the man said to me
633
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,600
before he left, he says, remember the silly shoes.
634
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080
And I said, if your friend knows what that means,
635
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,440
I'll be a believer.
636
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Because that made no sense to me.
637
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,880
The rest of the message was very serious.
638
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,000
And then it goes into silly shoes.
639
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,360
So she has dinner with a woman.
640
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,040
And she comes back.
641
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,440
And she can't wait to tell me.
642
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,840
She goes, everything you said was on point.
643
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,840
And she needed to hear those things.
644
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,560
Because she needed closure on certain things
645
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,120
that she didn't understand.
646
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,320
And I was like, that's great.
647
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,120
But what about the silly shoes?
648
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,240
The silly shoes was the first date they ever had.
649
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,200
He wore the most ridiculous shoes she's ever seen in her life.
650
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,240
And it was a running joke throughout their entire marriage.
651
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,600
And I was like, oh, crap.
652
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,760
I have to believe now.
653
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,800
I said I would.
654
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,080
So now I have to.
655
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,120
I can't get out.
656
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,160
How does this, how does the mediumship,
657
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,440
and I'm going to call these spiritual gifts, a term
658
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,920
that I prefer, how does this relate to the whole atheism
659
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,160
discussion?
660
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,560
Exactly.
661
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:07,480
I went from atheism in my teens to here I am, a medium
662
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,840
I crossed over.
663
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,000
I told you, somebody was keeping me out of trouble,
664
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,960
out of the other near deaths that we don't call near death,
665
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,000
brush with deaths.
666
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,400
Why?
667
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,280
Was it because I was going to do this
668
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,680
and I was going to bring this information to people?
669
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,120
I don't know.
670
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,040
I just don't know.
671
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,400
I'm not special.
672
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,640
I definitely am not.
673
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,160
And up until that point, I didn't even
674
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,920
deserve to have those things.
675
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,520
I cannot answer to this day.
676
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,800
But I know that what I have to do today,
677
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,200
mediumship became too overpowering for me.
678
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,400
So I don't do it professionally.
679
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,200
I eventually go to school for this
680
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,800
and I had a great mentor between the first one
681
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,480
and the second one.
682
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,080
They saved my life because they taught me
683
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,880
how to turn it on and turn it off because it's very intrusive
684
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,120
and it affects me emotionally.
685
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,600
And I just had my own spiritual breakthrough
686
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,320
where I got rid of a lot of negative emotions
687
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,880
and a lot of negative feelings.
688
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,360
And I'm happy for the first time in my life.
689
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,120
Now, the first 48 years of my life, we're not happy.
690
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,000
I want to live the next half of my life
691
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:23,080
without feeling these emotions from the other side of people
692
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,080
who are always feeling guilt and always feeling regret
693
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,280
and always trying to fix whatever they did here
694
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,720
or didn't do here.
695
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,120
That's too much.
696
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,560
I just found happiness.
697
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,720
I need to enjoy my happiness.
698
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:36,800
Maybe I'll go back someday.
699
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,320
But as of today, I prefer to teach people
700
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,280
how to have their own spiritual awakening.
701
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,880
And that's what my entire second book is about.
702
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,840
OK.
703
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,840
And by the way, we'll put links to those books
704
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,520
in the show notes here of the show
705
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,440
so anyone that wants to reach out and look at those can.
706
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,080
Let's, speaking of going back, let's go back to when you were 20.
707
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,880
Sure.
708
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,720
I took us down a sidetrack here.
709
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:01,160
Let's get back on track.
710
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,720
All right.
711
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,320
So if I remember right, what was happening
712
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,760
was you woke up downstairs.
713
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,240
You've got paramedics over you.
714
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,600
And you're talking crazy because you're
715
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,200
talking about the light.
716
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,320
And did other people see the light?
717
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:16,880
Keep going.
718
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,120
What happened after that?
719
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,240
And I'm more worried about the fact
720
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,360
that I'm soaking wet from the waist down, right?
721
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,560
Because when you die, the first thing you do is you pee yourself.
722
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,080
And I'm humiliated by this.
723
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,240
And these guys are like trying to express to me
724
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,360
how serious of a matter this is.
725
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,080
And you need to go to the hospital.
726
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:35,320
Yeah.
727
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,320
And they're used to seeing people like that.
728
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,760
So to them, that's no big deal.
729
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,120
Yeah.
730
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,200
But they want, they just want me to go.
731
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,440
You know, I got to get the ambulance and go.
732
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,520
So did you refuse to go?
733
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:46,960
Yeah.
734
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,920
I told them I felt great, but I did go.
735
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,080
I did go.
736
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:50,320
Good.
737
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,320
But I was saying, you guys, I wish I could, I feel phenomenal.
738
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200
I don't know what just happened, but I feel great.
739
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,280
I feel complete euphoria because the pain doesn't set in.
740
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,520
It's a couple hours later.
741
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,480
Then it's like a bomb goes off inside your body
742
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,840
and it's horrendous.
743
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,600
But that was later at the hospital.
744
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,280
And actually, my mother who finally did come to terms
745
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,280
with this at the age of 83 or 82, which is she's 83 now.
746
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,880
So she was 82 when she finally admitted
747
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,960
that this really happened to me.
748
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,680
She said, not only did you have to be resuscitated one time,
749
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,960
but there was probably three more in the ambulance
750
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,040
as you were going to the hospital.
751
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,120
And I was like, wow, I didn't know that.
752
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,200
I didn't know that.
753
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,440
So it was everybody's taking this very seriously,
754
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,800
except me, who's like, I just came back from the greatest thing
755
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,240
I've ever done in my entire life.
756
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:48,520
I don't care if I go back.
757
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,840
I'm good with that.
758
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,760
This is great.
759
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,560
I want to feel more of this.
760
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,920
I think that that changed my feelings with death so much.
761
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,840
And in such a way that I realize every day could be the last.
762
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,400
And I'm OK with that.
763
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,080
I'm really OK with that.
764
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,960
And I never let any of my children
765
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,440
walk out at a house without telling them I love them
766
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,760
or my wife, because I never know when that last day is going
767
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,240
to be.
768
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:18,160
But I'm OK because I know where I'm going.
769
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,120
And I know it's going to be fine.
770
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,720
And when other family members experience death,
771
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,720
I know they're fine too.
772
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,200
So I'm not crying at the funeral.
773
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,560
I'm like, we'll see you again.
774
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,320
It's just goodbye for now.
775
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,120
That's amazing.
776
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,760
You can get that much from such a short glimpse.
777
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,720
Yeah.
778
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,760
You know, your glimpse into eternity
779
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,120
was just a little, little, little thing, no offense.
780
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,400
But it's so profound that it can happen that quickly.
781
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,120
That's awesome.
782
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,840
And it's much more about the feeling than what you saw.
783
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,280
Right.
784
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,720
Is the euphoria, as you describe it.
785
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:54,640
Yeah.
786
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Cool.
787
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,040
So were you out of the hospital the next day?
788
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,920
Physically, what happened next?
789
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,200
Yeah, that's it.
790
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:00,600
OK.
791
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,960
Like no big deal.
792
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,160
Sent me on my way.
793
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,520
And then you feel like the worst feeling in the world
794
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,400
because you're back in your body.
795
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,760
No one's hugging me anymore.
796
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,920
It's just, you know, it's back to the same old life
797
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,800
that I didn't enjoy before.
798
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,200
So, you know, I go on and like I say,
799
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,760
I start to up the ante because now I'm a 20 year old who
800
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,120
doesn't fear death.
801
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,360
And that's probably the worst thing a 20 year old can ever
802
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,320
feel, right?
803
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,840
Yeah, because teenagers don't believe they can die.
804
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,800
Right.
805
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,840
So at 20.
806
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,200
I don't care if I do.
807
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,840
You just take that to the next level.
808
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,040
So, you know, who kept me around for another 10 years?
809
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,440
You know, thanks.
810
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,920
No, I kid, I don't know who it is, but I do know.
811
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,440
I can I know that guide.
812
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,280
And, you know, he or she, there's no he or she at that level.
813
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,440
That they're they're just energy.
814
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,200
You can't see any human form.
815
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,560
And that's why I say it's blue.
816
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,000
It's a blue voice.
817
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,760
And they told me to write the book.
818
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,400
They told me, you know, it was OK to walk away from my job,
819
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,520
which was a huge leap for me just to, you know,
820
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,000
take a leap of faith and stop working at the top of my game
821
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,280
to write a book, you know, that I never thought anybody would
822
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,640
even read.
823
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,400
Now, I'm so honored and grateful that it wins awards.
824
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,120
And I never I'm not a writer and I even say that in a book.
825
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,600
I'm I'm not a writer.
826
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,760
So I apologize for any errors that may be in here grammatical or
827
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,760
otherwise and sorry for all the four letter words because I'm from Jersey.
828
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:36,480
It's OK.
829
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,640
We have a bleep thing that we use in this podcast from time to time.
830
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:41,640
I don't think I said any.
831
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,720
Did I? I don't know. You've done good.
832
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:44,960
OK, good.
833
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,560
But people have heard of my son, Will.
834
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,760
He does the editing and he's good with that little bleeper.
835
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,560
So it's OK if they sneak out.
836
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,040
All right. All right.
837
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,960
Well, this is this has been a lot of fun.
838
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,400
Tell me. Tell me what people can take away from this.
839
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,400
What can they learn from this that can improve their life?
840
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,600
Well, there's so much.
841
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,160
But to change your relationship with death is one of the greatest
842
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:17,440
gifts that you can really have because we put so much emphasis on
843
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:26,800
trying to get things done and own things and and and do things that are just silly.
844
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,680
In my opinion now today, I don't care what I drive.
845
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,760
I don't care, you know, if I eat at a fancy restaurant.
846
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,960
Who cares?
847
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,280
You know, certain things are just meaningless at this point in my life.
848
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,240
What's meaningful is my wife walking in the door and I hug her and and my
849
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:49,840
children coming home for dinner because I got to in college and I got two little ones.
850
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,600
And, you know, those are the things that are meaningful now.
851
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,280
It's not about materialism.
852
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,440
It's not about anything other than love.
853
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,840
And we're all one being.
854
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,080
This is another thing I learned.
855
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,160
We're all from one source.
856
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,560
We are all one.
857
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,840
So when you hurt somebody, you're hurting yourself.
858
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,760
When you talk about somebody,
859
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,160
you're talking about yourself.
860
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,160
We're all one.
861
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,040
Believe me, you're going to see the other side.
862
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,160
We're all one and you're going to regret.
863
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,040
Anybody you hurt, anybody you harmed, anything you forgot to do.
864
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,440
So do it now.
865
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Get out and do it and don't be afraid.
866
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,120
Just do it.
867
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,920
I think I heard that slogan somewhere before.
868
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Yeah, that could be famous.
869
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,840
Yeah, right?
870
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,920
Just copied that one.
871
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,760
If somebody that's listening today has recently lost a loved one
872
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,640
and that is difficult, I don't care how much you believe that's a difficult thing
873
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,360
because you're going to miss that person.
874
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,160
What words do you have for them that might ease some of that burden?
875
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Well, there's a couple of things.
876
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,760
First is do not worry about them.
877
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,240
They're just fine.
878
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,320
In fact, they're in a great place.
879
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,560
The second thing is you can communicate with your loved ones.
880
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,080
You don't need to be a medium to do this
881
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:18,600
because you have that bond with that person that is required in order to have communication.
882
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,000
So you may not have full on sight or hearing.
883
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,680
Maybe you will. Maybe you won't.
884
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,640
But you may have other types of
885
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,840
synchronicities that happen all around you and you're not noticing them,
886
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,920
but they are coming from the other side.
887
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,160
I can tell you a story.
888
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,120
I recently lost an aunt who was like a second mother to me and our cousins.
889
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:44,560
We were all getting together and we were talking and her daughters were telling me a story about dimes.
890
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,920
There was something I don't really remember the story, but it was about it
891
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,640
with dimes in the story and it was relevant to her and also to her children.
892
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:59,880
So when I started to think of her, I started finding dimes like the one I'm going to show
893
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,000
you right now on this camera I found this morning.
894
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,440
Now, I find dimes in the strangest places.
895
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,880
I wake up, they're under my pillow or they're on the nightstand.
896
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,080
We don't even use cash in this house.
897
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,640
We use cards for everything.
898
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,320
You couldn't find a dollar around here if you wanted to.
899
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,400
And here are all I have a stack of dimes now.
900
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,840
And if I'm having a tough day or I have to do something that's challenging,
901
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,560
I'll find one of these.
902
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,120
And I know that she's right there.
903
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,040
So you have your own dime.
904
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,960
I don't know what it is, but you do.
905
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:31,880
You have it.
906
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,640
Look for it and find it and you can communicate.
907
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,760
And don't worry that you can't because you can't.
908
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,760
And hopefully those are hundred dollar bills for some people.
909
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,560
On a scale of one to ten, what's your fear level of death?
910
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,120
None. None.
911
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,480
Very good.
912
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Ray Katanya, thanks a lot for being with us today.
913
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,920
Thank you. Thank you so much.
914
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,280
This was great. I'm so honored.
915
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,920
Thank you for listening.
916
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,200
And remember to check out the what really happens after we die master class at
917
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,440
roundtripdeath.com or the link in our show notes.
918
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:34,800
Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
