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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
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And I'd like to welcome our special guest, Fabio Delboni.
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Did I say that right?
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Yes, I would like to say it from 0 to 10, 7 and up.
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Would you say it properly, please?
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Delboni.
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Delboni.
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Yes, that is a 9 and a half.
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Okay.
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Well, for me to get a 9 and a half and anything's pretty good.
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So anyway, hey, welcome.
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It's good to have you, Fabio.
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And I know the first question people are going to ask, please don't be embarrassed.
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Are you the Fabio that was on the cover of all the romance novels?
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You know the Fabio, that was maybe because they lost their hair, you know.
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No, no.
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So that was you 20 years ago.
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And that was mean, but it's a secret.
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I cannot share that.
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All right.
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So Fabio, I know you're from Italy.
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You live in Florida now.
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Tell us a little more about you.
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Okay.
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I grew up in the South American and Central America.
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My first 17 years, I lived in 13 countries all around.
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Paloma, Venezuela, Colombia, Argentina.
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Many of them because my father was traveling a lot.
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And then I was following them.
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And then when I was a teen, although I went to Italy to do my own path.
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And then I got to the college in Florence for the engineering college.
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And after all, instead of becoming an engineer, I was, but I become a journalist.
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And then I traveled a lot as a journalist in many fields.
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I was also a chief editor, editor in chief for financial newspaper in Italy.
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I worked many years for an agency, the journalists.
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And then I went to the other part of the wall.
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That's been, we have journalists, they talk with the communication part of the government
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or the enterprise.
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And they like to fight, really fight sometimes.
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But I crossed the line.
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I went there.
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I worked there for many big companies.
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And then I become a journalist again.
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I stand back a bit.
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And then I came back again there.
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I was like moving in Italy is a little bit crazy.
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In the United States, they consider, wow, this guy is really something because he can adapt
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for many situations.
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But we can't, what is this?
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What is he?
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Journalist or communication part.
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Okay, but I become like an executive and then at the end I decided to my own company as
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a strategic consultant, opening in the United States.
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And I moved the family where to Florida because the weather because close to the South America,
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Central America, but for me, they were the best market to work.
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We landed in Tampa.
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And now we live in Sarasota where I have an art gallery because I become an artist.
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That's the thing that I have to ask you.
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You went from journalist to engineer, journalist, et cetera.
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How did you become an artist?
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I was a part of me every time, but I became an artist after this experience because in
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Tampa, out of the blue, I was playing tennis with my wife, she always beat me hard, but
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not for that.
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That was not the reason, but I had the coronary artery 100% of the wound.
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And I was gone quickly, done and was in Tampa.
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In eight minutes, I passed at least eight minutes gone and they were already signed
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the time of death and the doctor, an angel, and with the defibrillation and I wake up
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again.
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I came back, but it's a big bad because, wow, he came back, he said to my wife, with
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nothing like a baby, nothing.
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No vital function affected, nothing.
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It's new, it's brand new.
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And that was a really incredible surprise, miracle, because in eight minutes, you know,
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you lose everything.
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And we will talk a whole bunch more about your near-death experience in just a few minutes.
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But this led to you becoming an artist.
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Keep going.
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Yes, because when I came back the first, and then I will tell you that, but I wanted to
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change because my child, my wife, my life changed completely.
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That was a turning point.
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I said, I wanted to do something different in my life and I wanted to do something that
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I really wanted to do in this moment, in this moment, because I love to do what I did.
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And I wanted to do an artist because I wanted to do something to replicate the light that
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I have seen in that period when I was with my father.
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And I tried again to do with some medium like canvas, paper, glass, bronze, nothing was
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nice for me to have the vibrancy in the light.
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And this was paint on top of those?
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I paint over aluminum, yes.
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Okay.
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So, but you tried painting on these other medium.
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You just couldn't quite get the colors.
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So you tried aluminum.
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Who does that?
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Because I saw pictures, you have photos, you can print on the aluminum and they are really
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nice.
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But for me, they were not so satisfied because the photo is beautiful, but it's not an movement.
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It's stable, it's flat, it's two-dimension.
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And then I tried to paint, move.
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And that's the end, seems that I am doing very well because people love my...
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Well, it is unusual and it is beautiful and if anybody wants to see some of your artwork,
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Fabio Delboni.com.
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And that will be in the show notes in case you can't spell it.
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Well, we'll get into this even more as we get into your story.
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I love talking to artists on the show that have had near-death experiences because we
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get more of a feel for the color.
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And I know it's so difficult to explain the color that you saw there or colors because
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there are things that you can see there that you can't see here.
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But let's back up, let's get to what, how did your NDE happen?
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In other words, was there something going on with your health?
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I know you had a major heart attack.
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Did you have any idea that it was coming or was it just Wambab one day?
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No, no idea.
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And also I would like to say this, that was 2014, before traveling to and from Italy
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to the United States to move the family months before I did a complete check out.
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Let's say, my heart, my system, everything.
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I was perfect.
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15, 9 years old, very good fit, perfect.
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Was really unexpected out of the blue.
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I was playing tennis and the doctor said that was not the tennis or the sport.
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They said, that saved your life because your body was able to resist some kind of massive
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heart attack.
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But in that moment, when I was, the match was ended with my wife, I lost.
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And I would say, was Alexa, and her name is Alexa, Alessandra, but she's Alexa.
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And that said, I cannot breathe or someone because I am really, are you kidding?
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No, I am being something great back.
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And then she called the ambulance, but was completely unexpected.
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So tell us about that.
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So you had this heart attack right there on the tennis court.
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What happened next?
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They came with the ambulance really fast.
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I would like to say maybe 10 minutes.
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I just received the ambulance and they were prepared for that.
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They brought me, fortunately, it was like not so far.
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The tennis center was the, in Tempat was the Peppin Park Institute where they brought me
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in a few minutes.
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And when I arrived there, I saw all these people going around fast and we had nothing
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to do with something like that.
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They said, I am here, it's noisy, moving or something.
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And then it was incredible for me.
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And in that moment, I remember that I thought, okay, at least I am here.
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They can take care of me.
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And then in that moment, I died.
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And then I was gone.
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And that is the period that I do remember what happened here.
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But my wife told me that what happened because she saw the line of the monitor.
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Yeah, we call it a flat line and that was for eight minutes.
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Yeah.
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And she started crying and she saw all the people.
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They pushed her in another room to don't see nothing, but they said, you cannot stay
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here.
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And she was, she were waiting for the answer.
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And what the doctor came to her and said, it's solitary.
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I am not explained with my medicine book doc, but he came back and he's brand new with
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a stand.
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It would be a stand.
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What is the first thing that you remember after that happened?
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Some people go through a tunnel towards a light.
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Did you have any of that?
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Or what do you remember first?
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Not the tunnel, but the light.
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I was thinking that I am going to the light, or the light is coming to me.
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But it's the same.
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I felt like I was part of the light.
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My spirit was already without the body, free to go has an energy.
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And that was the light, the movement of the light.
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And then I immediately, immediately saw incredible light.
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White, splendid white, but serenity, peaceful, but in any case, so strong, but not blinding.
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And then I saw my father.
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I recognized his eyes, but the beautiful thing about the color there is that it's white,
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you can only identify the incredible, never seen blues, greens, orange, yellows, reds,
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then you can define everything.
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I was not dressed, but I was not naked.
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I was white, like a spirit.
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But my father was white, like an angel.
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But if I remember it, and I remember it, I remember his team, the color that he had when
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we, when we were together, my five died 10 years before me.
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I want to ask about the color you're talking about.
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Because you're talking about light that is white, and you're seeing blue and other colors
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in it.
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All of them, all of them, not the black.
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Now the only way I've been able to process that in my brain is thinking back to a physics
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class that I had in college.
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Yes.
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The professor did a thing where he added different colors of light on a screen.
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Okay.
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Tell me if I get this right.
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Green, blue, and red.
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And if you cross those colors, you then get the secondary colors.
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And as those colors are crossed in the very middle is white, meaning that white light
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has all the primary and secondary colors in it.
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Is that correct?
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Correct.
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And then like a prismal, so you can see the color in another experiment in physics.
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The color is going through the water and then it's separate.
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So like a prism?
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Yes.
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That sounds amazing.
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Amazing.
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It's amazing.
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What I have seen is something, it's really something.
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But, and I remember clearly, I, I recognize all colors.
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And also I saw colors that I have never imagined that can be exist on, but I didn't see black.
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And many grays, tonalities, but the whole black was not there.
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So and you mentioned colors that you hadn't seen before.
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Now that you're a painter, can you take a palette and mix up different colors of paint
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and come up with some of the colors that you saw there?
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I am so continuous to try that because I need to do that.
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I know that there is something more and more and more.
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I am, I will actually say, I am really satisfied with what kind of color I can replicate in
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my paintings.
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But I, I know that there is more that I can do because it's not enough.
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I think that never will be enough because even if I, if I, if I do that, it's not possible
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to replicate all of that color.
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And the final is to have that vibrancy of the light.
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I am trying to replicate.
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I would like to tell you something that maybe seems really strange, but this part is, I
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can perceive right now colors that I was not able to do before.
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When I look at it at the world, I, oh, and everything, I can identify color that for
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me, they are part of new color, new, new fallets.
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That is, it's something beautiful.
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It's like a gift.
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That is a gift.
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So you're seeing that all the time?
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Yes.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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That's incredible.
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Okay.
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I want to hear all about your father.
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Yeah.
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He died 10 years before you had this experience.
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Yeah.
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As we were talking earlier, you mentioned that you were able to somehow experience his
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whole life during this experience.
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Yes.
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Can you tell me first about, about what kind of person he was and a little, just a very
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briefly about his life and then how did you experience it?
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Was it some sort of a telepathic thing or how did that work?
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What's like not a communication like spirit one, really spiritual communication and not
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only his life, but also his private life to understand how he came to the world and to
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the life.
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And I remember something because it was part of my subconscious, some memories because
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they told me many times, my father, my mother, some, some stories about my youngest, my child,
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but also my father.
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My father was a really brave man, generous man, and he was born from a night of miracle
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between a lady and a man that they love each other, but was a little bit before the second
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war and in the middle, between the first and the second and most close to the first and
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the was 1926, 1926, that was my but the story in the book is that my father was coming from
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a, an adultery because the guy was with this lady was married and at that time it was possible
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to have this relation because under the fascism was really and he was a card.
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There was a, let's say a lieutenant of the name, we got him.
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And okay, he got, he committed suicide, this guy, went all that feeling out and my father
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went to the orphanage because for his mother, it wasn't possible to take him and keep him.
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And he passed these days and growing up in the orphanage, trying to escape them because
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he doesn't want to take, he didn't want to stay there.
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And there was coming the second war and he engaged the, the naming also.
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And he was a young there in the submarine and one day in the submarine, we did the war,
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that submarine was beaten by, by the bombs from the acre and the British and the submarine
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was already under one hundred meter, they were all dying, but the chef of the submarine
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or the crew decided he loved my father, decided to put my father in the, in the chamber of
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the torpedo chamber and launching like a missile, like a torpedo out of the, the water.
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But he said, at least you can have a chance.
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We are dying here and he died, but the, the corn water, really cold in the Mediterranean,
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he maintained keeping alive in coma for months.
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And he was recovered by a gypsy family that they were around like they do.
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He's a big Uber.
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They keep the, they took the body and move the body into them.
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After months, my father came back, suddenly, and he started taking his life, it's new life.
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And his life was really an eventual life going around all the countries from South America
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to North America, Europe, traveling alone.
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He met my mother in Brazil.
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They had the sixth, I am the third one in the middle.
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And always my father was loving me and then I loved my father.
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Also my mother, but in this case was with my father.
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He could mind that my mother, he could mind that my mother died five months before my
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father.
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And then not there, but after I, I, I thought, but why I didn't see my mother?
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I said, maybe because she was not yet there.
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Well, I don't know, but I met my father.
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He was telling me all of his story to understand really in the deep what I can do for myself
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with my energy.
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My father was a reiki master.
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Reiki is a technique that I think that you can show you know is to, he is capable to
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see your people with the end with energy and let me say that I was really skeptical.
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But you will, you will understand one day you have more energy than me and then you
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will use that energy when you, when there will be the moment.
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You told me at least every time I was, you know, living the life the courage way has
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he, he showed me all the times, never think you have nothing that can do for me like a
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superman.
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But in that moment when I was between, he was telling me the story.
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And then I understood also my, my early years, what I did believe and what my father showed
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me the ways to, to be with others, respect the integrity more away, no matter what you
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don't have to give up.
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You have many very strong messages.
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Let me just clarify, were these messages before he passed away or during your NDE?
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Both.
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Both, okay.
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I, I had in my thoughts, I, I grew up with that, but I was not focusing on that.
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Sure.
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I had to say that I was not following that for sure I was following because it wasn't
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me.
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So during your experience, part of what he was communicating to you was all about energy.
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All about love and all about the generosity, the open mind, being with others.
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And that was something that say, okay, but that I do that.
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I know that.
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Yes, but you can do more.
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And that was the idea of the energy, use the energy to come back.
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That was the moment, the intention.
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He said, you passed that frontier that I was not there.
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You are somewhere in the place that is not yet your place.
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Go back.
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Just a quick break to tell you about an exciting program that we have coming up.
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One of our favorite guests on the show, Jeff Jansen.
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I believe he was episode number 328.
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Anyway, Jeff is offering a special discount on his master class series called, What Really
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Now back to the interview.
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Yeah, at what point during this experience did you realize I'm not staying, I need to
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go back?
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When I was talking with him, but talking like I repeat spiritually, energy in not like
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no leads, they were moving nothing.
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In that moment for me was when he said, Fabio, you have energy, use that energy.
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And in that moment, something happened.
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And what happened was that in after eight minutes, the doctor wanted to try again.
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That was the moment when I was talking with that with my father.
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In that moment, the doctor was trying to get him to take me back.
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I remember really clearly that that light that they had in front of me, all around me, become
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yellow and like a team.
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And that was the light that the staff of the doctor was pointing me on my eyes and said,
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sir, sir, your name, your name.
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I said, Fabio.
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And in that moment, I was again here.
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I am not, I'm not embarrassed to say I was so frustrated in that moment because I was
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so peaceful there.
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Was so beautiful.
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Not that a piece, a place where you said, why I have to move from here?
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I stay here.
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I wanted to stay with you.
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But that was an instant, no?
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Because of course, you realize that you lose your family, you lose everything here.
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And for sure, I don't want to leave my wife or my kids, my family.
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But in that moment, when the light, the wonderful light changed to the white light yellow, like
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the flashlight, that was a distant.
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Wow.
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Kind of a rude awakening just from the beautiful place to the yellow light back in that body.
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We'll get to that part and talk about some of your physical recovery.
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I want to hear more about what happened during this eight minutes.
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Do you remember looking around?
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Was there anything else that you saw or experienced in addition to your father there?
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I saw his life.
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And I was living his life.
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I was with my father and I relived with him like 100 years.
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His life, his parent life, the story of the love story of his parents.
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And my life, I was there and I saw people.
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I saw perfectly that I was like in the movie, but was not a movie.
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Was something that I was touching was I was there, even if it was not my kind, because
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that was decades before me, but I was there with my father and he showed me what I was
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able to see.
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And then he said, this is where you are coming from.
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This is where I have to understand that.
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I said, yes.
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This is so fascinating to me because a lot of people have what's known as a life review.
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You were doing more like your father's life review.
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I was through my father's life, looking also at my life at a certain point, but to understand
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my life seems that my father has to tell me on the other part on his life.
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And I followed him without doubt.
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Like I said, I was with him.
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And that was really fascinating.
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And then I understood very well one thing.
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And then it's written in the book that I tried to do my best to explain what happened in
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there and is the time.
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Let me say something about the time, the variable of time, because when you said, what is time,
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what is time, and you said, okay, what is the mean, 60 seconds, okay, okay, what happened
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in 60 seconds?
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I don't know.
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A good football player can sport, something bad can happen, many things, what, I don't
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know.
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But the minute that I have is different than your minutes, even if it's still a minute,
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because the value of the time, what I give to that means.
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I can do something in that time, one minute that is taking so much value for me, for you,
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it's not the same value.
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You have other goals.
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You have other goals.
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You have other goals, and that is the variable really important to understand, because the
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value that we give to the time is crucial.
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And that is the message that I came back from, said, okay, I have to value my time.
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I have that the time is valid.
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And that was something that helped me to write the book, because I was for six years, six
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years with not telling the stories to nobody, because it was too touch-full to me.
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Even if I read now, if I read my book, I still cry.
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It's a happy ending story, because I am here, but I am still crying because it's emotional.
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I was not able to talk to them, because I don't want to embarrass people, to shock people,
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people laughing at me, because I am talking about angels, I am talking about light, something
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that they don't want to become, somebody's oldie, he's crazy.
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But my wife and the doctor said, Fabio, you had a gift, you have an extra life.
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Use that extra life, share your story, because it can help people to understand how can use
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the time or how you can use the love, how you can spread hope and healing.
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You have to tell him story.
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It wasn't must.
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Then I was a writer, a journalist, I started writing.
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That's it.
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That was the big.
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Was there anything else that you saw besides your father and his life?
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I saw my life with my wife, I saw my kids, I saw everything on my life.
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In the book, I was written about my father, because it was so important for me, the message.
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I didn't want to have this message from me to others.
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The message that I received from my father are the same message that I can say to you.
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But in that moment, my father was the maximum message that I can send.
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I wanted to share that message.
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That's great.
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I relived all my life from when I was a young person in Cuba, when Fidel Castro was with
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my father, my father was fighting with him because he was a private Italian in Cuba,
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when the revolution wanted to have all the properties.
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We could do a whole show just on the politics of Cuba, I'm sure.
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But I'm not done grilling you on your NDE yet.
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I just want to know if there was anything else that you saw or experienced there.
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So your father's life review, your life review, lots of white and color, anything else.
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I saw the peace, the peaceful place is the maximum in the happiness.
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All of us, we are looking for happiness in some way.
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But it's like climbing a mountain on a tree where every time you go up and up, you can
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find more happiness.
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And the happiness that I have seen there was celestial, was living, the immense, we cannot
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have time, was not there, was no, all positive things, all the beauty, all in an imaginable,
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peaceful, good life.
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Describe the love that you felt.
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There or now?
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There.
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There is no truth, totally without prejudice, this is the thing that I learned there alone,
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is no prejudice, no, no, I didn't have before, but more.
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You don't have to live, you have to be really open, the love with each other.
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You don't know nobody.
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But for example, it's not in the book, but my father showed me when I was young, I used
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to smile a lot with people, and my father said, told me, you remember that smile you gave
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that guy?
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No, I don't remember.
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I was smiling at a guy that was coming to me like desperate, like going out, you know,
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and after my smile, I didn't care about that time and that for sure I was not remembered
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that.
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But there, my father was showing me what happened to that guy when he smiled, he said, look
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at his face, and I smiled to him, and I saw that smile, and I saw the guy was opening
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this energy.
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And I said, Fabio, when you smile to someone, easy law, this energy, and you share energy,
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you give so much energy just this smile that you cannot imagine.
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And that is part of the love.
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That also seems to be kind of a common denominator on life reviews, is that people experience
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how their actions affected other people.
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Yes, yes.
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Was there any more of that that you can remember?
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Yes, I remember all of my life.
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00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:38,480
And also, because in the book, I focused on my father and that submarine, I saw how people
476
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,760
react on the others and how some, like this cook that put my father in a chamber to the
477
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,600
torpedo, what was changing since that.
478
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,200
He was a hero, an angel, or what?
479
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,240
Or both, angel and hero, to protect him.
480
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:05,320
And we don't know maybe when we do easily things like a smile, we cannot imagine how
481
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,720
it can affect others.
482
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,320
On the contrary, how you can affect someone with not smiling, but with a bad face.
483
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,600
But in that there was not that face.
484
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,680
You know, there was only smiles, only nice things.
485
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:31,720
And another thing that I was able to identify there, and that changed a lot my life, that
486
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,760
I can explain this way.
487
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:42,600
All of us, we have in front of us extraordinary things that for us, we don't care because
488
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,960
they are always in front of me.
489
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:52,640
No, you have on your back, for example, that nice shipwheel, that one is a beautiful one.
490
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,320
You can say, okay, there are many others like that.
491
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,000
No, that is an extraordinary piece of art.
492
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,120
Someone a genius made that for you.
493
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,320
What doesn't mean that you can go where you want.
494
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,040
What is the real meaning of that?
495
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:17,240
And then you can identify, you can start thinking of the ordinary like extraordinary.
496
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,080
And that's what I do now as an artist.
497
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,840
I look at the view as sunset.
498
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:31,800
I can have that sunset every day, but every one of them is not ordinary, is extraordinary,
499
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,480
is amazing.
500
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:41,440
And then if you try to give the right value of the things, you change a lot your life.
501
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,240
That's a great message.
502
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,240
Just to be grateful.
503
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:46,240
Thank you.
504
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,960
And I am trying to do something out of steam.
505
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,320
I hope my words and my art can help you understand this.
506
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,320
Absolutely.
507
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,320
And we appreciate it.
508
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,760
I have to ask you a hard question.
509
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,480
And this is not in any accusatory way at all or anything, but people are going to hear
510
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:13,400
that you're about your father being shot out of a torpedo tube a hundred meters down.
511
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,480
And they're going to say there is no way that somebody can live through that.
512
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,480
No way.
513
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,480
No way.
514
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,400
Do you have any explanation?
515
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,480
Yes, I have an explanation about that.
516
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,640
And then it's the water.
517
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,640
It's the cold.
518
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,040
It's called hypotermia.
519
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:36,800
I made a lot of research about that before writing because when I was there, I was seeing
520
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:45,920
this, but when I was writing the film, I wanted to have something all sustainable from research
521
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,440
or something, and I did research on that period.
522
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:57,000
I did research of military weapons, and I did a lot of research, like two years of researching
523
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:03,640
as a journalist also, because I used to do research for investigation for what happened.
524
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,720
And then I found many others.
525
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:10,600
My father was not the only one during that.
526
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:19,600
That was, I find out that was, I don't want to say a method, but was a way to try to escape
527
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,120
from a submarine that was going down without chance to survive.
528
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:32,000
The thing that if you have to imagine that a submarine at that period was no longer that
529
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:38,040
this room, and they are leaving 47 people on that submarine, wait, five.
530
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:46,720
Even imagine 47 people like ants in a refuist of ants, they stay there close.
531
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,560
I cannot believe that.
532
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,240
I cannot even imagine that, but they were leaving there.
533
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:59,920
And my father was 16, 17, at that time, if he was 18 years old, he was really skinny,
534
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,600
younger, the younger of the blue.
535
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:10,800
And the words that the cook said, try to save yourself, at least you have a chance.
536
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,680
And then he researched, and that happened other times, and all people died, all of them.
537
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,680
Yeah, and I saw a film a while back, I can't think of the name of it right now, of someone
538
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,920
in a similar situation was shot out of a torpedo tube.
539
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,880
He did live, but blasted out his ears.
540
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,840
He lost his hearing.
541
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,560
Was your father's hearing okay?
542
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,560
He was okay.
543
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,560
He was just fine.
544
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,640
That's fine.
545
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,440
And that was all, I don't know if it's the good term in English, but it was in Italian
546
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,440
terms, it's Pippo-Termian.
547
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:50,240
Yeah, it's under the medical, I don't know how it's made it called, sorry about that.
548
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:56,040
But it's like when you are going down some kind of level of temperature.
549
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,480
Yeah, and air pressure as well with your ears.
550
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,920
You are dead, but you are alive inside because you are frozen.
551
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,840
Yeah, because the water, especially that deep is very, very cold.
552
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,840
So cold.
553
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,080
Yeah, that is amazing.
554
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:17,480
I did research for that because I said, that story has to be sustainable.
555
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,480
And it was.
556
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,480
Okay.
557
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Well, I've tried to exhaust everything that you can remember from your NDE.
558
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,560
What was it like coming back?
559
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,120
How long did it take you to get better, you know, physically?
560
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,960
They put a stint in, you mentioned, and then how long were you in the hospital?
561
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,520
One day and after that.
562
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,520
That's it.
563
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,520
It's ending cold.
564
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,520
Yes, one day.
565
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,960
I said, you're fine.
566
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,920
You had a number of miracles happen.
567
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,960
I said, I know that.
568
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,960
I am really not.
569
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,400
Yeah, I know that.
570
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,720
I'm so grateful.
571
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,120
I am a water miracle.
572
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,120
I know that.
573
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,480
Fabio the miracle.
574
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,480
I need my life, like the life in Cigar.
575
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:05,040
Before we finish up, and this is not the topic of the podcast, but I'm so curious about
576
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,120
more of your background and how you were raised.
577
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:14,120
And part of it is because you mentioned going to school in Florence must have affected your
578
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,880
artwork someday.
579
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,880
You weren't an artist back then, but you are now.
580
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,240
And for those that have visited Florence, tell us about the famous artwork in Florence.
581
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,960
I'm a huge fan of Michelangelo, by the way.
582
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,960
You have Michelangelo.
583
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,080
You have all of them.
584
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,600
You go to the Fizzi.
585
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,120
One of the best museums in the world.
586
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,960
You can find expressions that are so amazing and unbelievable.
587
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:48,200
And I will tell you that when I was young and I was in Florence, I visited many times
588
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,200
that museum.
589
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:56,920
And then even if I was an engineer, but what happened was that I was able to understand
590
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,840
how to use the ease as an engineer, the pains.
591
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,440
And what you are able to do with a pen is unbelievable.
592
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:11,680
And you cannot imagine what you can do with a pen, just a pen, not a brush, not ink, nothing.
593
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,000
And he was an amazing painter.
594
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,400
But I read something, a quote from him saying, really, he was a sculptor.
595
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,720
He preferred being a sculptor.
596
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:27,600
He was kind of forced to paint, and he was the Sistine Chapel and everything.
597
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,600
It's incredible.
598
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,840
He was forced to paint that.
599
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,640
He was like a slave, no moving.
600
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,640
No moving.
601
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,640
You can imagine like that.
602
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,680
He's painting all the time and makes these.
603
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:45,200
But for people that haven't been to Florence and seen the David statue, it is literally
604
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,640
bigger than life.
605
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,640
Yes.
606
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,560
It's something that you can see for perfection.
607
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:56,320
But there are other great sculptures that we'll be in, like for example, I love Antonio
608
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,600
Canova, the perfection of his movement.
609
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:11,000
And they are trying, and I think, to replicate what they had inside.
610
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:17,200
And that is more or less the same that they've seen there, is how you can replicate something
611
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,840
so beautiful, like the human body.
612
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,680
I'm so disturbed, I don't want to do recordings, but I'm disturbed by it.
613
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,880
You said, I have to cover that, or I have to do that.
614
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,560
There is nothing better.
615
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,560
There is the human body, it's science, it's art.
616
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,800
Well, and speaking of that, I think some people might be uncomfortable with the fact
617
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,120
that you said, when you were in the spirit world, you did not have clothes, but I think
618
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,240
you said you didn't feel naked either.
619
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:46,240
Explain that.
620
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:51,960
Explain that is easy, because I would not say I was not with my shirt.
621
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,760
When it happened that, I was in the tennis clothes, no?
622
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,800
The shirt, short pants, and sneakers, and no, tennis shoes.
623
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,800
I was there, and how I am not like that, in there.
624
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,120
I was not dressed, but I was not naked.
625
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,800
I was feeling, I was tenured.
626
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,320
And then how can I imagine what I said?
627
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:22,200
I don't know, dress it in some way, but I was not taking, I was white, I was taking
628
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,480
colors like this, no?
629
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,680
That white that I have seen there was composed by many colors.
630
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,760
I understand what you said.
631
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,680
I hope that nobody is offended, but I was not naked, but I cannot say I was dressed,
632
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,400
because if I said I was dressed, and you said, ah.
633
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,400
I might say, what were you wearing?
634
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Did you die?
635
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,440
So tennis clothes or what?
636
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,920
No, I was white.
637
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,160
I was, I was evidence.
638
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,160
I was feeling.
639
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Do you remember speaking of spirit and energy, was there any physical contact with your father
640
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,720
and embrace or anything like that?
641
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:09,200
Nothing like we can use to feel like body with another body, but totally energy.
642
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,480
That is the meaning.
643
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:24,360
And that was so, so much great and higher than a hard body with both the energy is inmates.
644
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:32,000
And you feel, you feel that you feel his mind, he feel your, his, his energy.
645
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:39,640
But when I stand out of this, the first thing that I wanted to do for me is that the body
646
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,120
was not there.
647
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,720
My body was no more.
648
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:48,600
It's like a machine and a unit stop.
649
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,320
It was not working.
650
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,480
I was leaving my body and leaving the energy that I have inside.
651
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,120
Did you miss your body?
652
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,400
In that moment, not at all.
653
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,080
I was not thinking of men.
654
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,840
All right, two more quick questions.
655
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,280
I love to ask people, do you now have any fear of death?
656
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,880
I cannot trust you.
657
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:18,720
I don't have no fear about that because I saw a beautiful is there, but I am terrified
658
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:19,720
to die.
659
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:20,720
Why?
660
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,400
Because I am here as a human.
661
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,080
And then I can see, I cannot imagine it.
662
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:33,640
I don't want to see what can happen to my family, my friends, my business, something
663
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,240
because I am here.
664
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:37,960
And then I am terrified.
665
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:45,440
So if I think on that, but, and that is something that my doctor said, you can have someone
666
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:53,160
to relieve because to have peace because everybody can cry because they are missing,
667
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,840
they are lost, but they can cry because they are lost.
668
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:05,200
But don't cry for them because they are in a really peaceful place.
669
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,480
And that's the idea.
670
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,720
I know how beautiful it is.
671
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:16,040
I would like to say, how can you have fear about a wonderful place?
672
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,840
You are scared about leaving someone here.
673
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:30,440
That's yes, because you know all the things because we are building peace of art, communication,
674
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:36,760
papers, podcasts, we are building what we wanted to do in this world.
675
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:43,720
But when we are there, we have, we have only energy that is not only useful and we leave
676
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:44,720
all of this stuff.
677
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:50,280
We leave our Mercedes or our house or we leave them here.
678
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,280
We don't need that.
679
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,280
Call of God.
680
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,000
I'm sure we don't care about that stuff.
681
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,600
Neither do we care about the people, the people obviously we do.
682
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,640
Okay, what is one last message that you would like to leave with our listeners?
683
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:13,680
Okay, the message is, no matter, never give up and love and God needs to be.
684
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,040
All right, Fabio, thanks a ton.
685
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:21,160
Thank you so much.
686
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,400
Thank you for listening.
687
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:28,880
And remember to check out the What Really Happens After We Die Master class at roundtriptest.com
688
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,000
or the link in our show notes.
689
00:47:31,000 --> 00:48:00,800
Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
