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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I had known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Just one quick note before we get started with today's interview.
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I would like to welcome to the show today our very, very, very special guest.
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Robin, how are you this morning?
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I am doing fantastic, a little hot out, but doing well.
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Thank you.
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Well, you're in Arizona, aren't you?
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I am.
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You're lucky you're not in the hottest part.
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I know they've been in Phoenix over 110 degrees for the last three weeks.
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Yeah, Mesa, Phoenix area, absolutely.
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So you're what, 105 or something is all?
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I guess, sir.
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Okay.
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Well, before we jump into your near-death experience, tell us just a little bit about
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you so people can get to know you.
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Sure.
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I grew up in Michigan, Lansing.
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I left there when it was about 1920 years old moved out to Nevada.
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And ever since then, I basically lived here on the West Coast.
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My seat, a little embarrassed.
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This is the fun part where you can tell us anything you want and you can leave out all
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the bad if you want.
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There's the introvert in me.
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Anyway, I got married in Nevada back in 1985 and did have a son.
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And then I've worked in the field of medicine and I'm very interested in that and experienced
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homelessness for a while.
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So I'm understanding others in that situation.
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I really, really enjoy people.
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And I think that we, I don't assume, literally, and figuratively what you, someone wears
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because we don't know what someone's story is and assumptions I'd rather disagree with
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because nine times I attend, they're very, very wrong.
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I am hopeful to work in the area of behavioral health to do de-escalation or work with a
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homeless since I've experienced it myself.
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I believe that all of us are the sum of our experiences, good, bad, and the ugly, and
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the part we didn't take it in, the part we did.
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Every day has been, you know, we have our ups and downs.
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I'm now little of eight years and I've been on my own for quite a while.
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Every once in a while I get lonely.
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We all get lonely sometimes.
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But besides that, I'm very hopeful for the future.
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It's sometimes rough, but it makes us stronger.
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Well, you are a sweetheart and I appreciate you being on today.
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And I'm going to give our listeners kind of a heads up.
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In addition to talking about near death experiences today, we're going to be talking about some
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other things too that may be a little bit difficult, things like homelessness and mental
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health and addiction and things like that.
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So yeah, everybody take a big breath and let's jump on this roller coaster.
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Take us back six years ago.
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We're leading up to your, Andy.
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Tell me what was going on in your life and what led up to this.
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Well, actually I had lost my husband January 1st of 15 and it put me in a very downward
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spiral.
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I had to deal with family members and things can get kind of hairy when property and money
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is involved.
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And so for a good year, I was just so traumatized by the loss of him.
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We were only married eight years together, about 10, but it just, I had to sell my manufactured
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home three and a half months after he had passed away because I couldn't go ahead and
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take care of the repairs if something were to go wrong.
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And so that first year, there was a lot of ups and downs, mostly downs trying to deal
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with the grief.
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And I found that, you know, grief over time, it doesn't go away.
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It's just how you handle it.
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It becomes more and more wild, but everybody experienced grief.
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But at that point, I had to get rid of my home and get rid of all my things that my
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husband had had.
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And I found that so many people had their hands out, but unwilling to pay anything for
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it or what have you.
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So I was basically in a downward spiral in my depression, to say the least, up until
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February 4th of 16.
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He died January 1st of 15 until my auntie, Ian, February 4th of 16.
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I've been pretty much a big mess having to realize life and go on without him.
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Everyone's really rough.
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And I think I said six years ago.
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So this was actually seven years ago then.
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My auntie was seven years ago.
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Yes, sir.
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So what was going on with your health that led up to this?
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Well, mainly just depression.
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Back in the day before my auntie, I had been diagnosed with everything but schizophrenia.
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So I was on a lot of medication.
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I consider what was going on with me.
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I was dead by breathing also.
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And subsequently after my auntie, I'm now only on one medication for sleep that has
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a small antidepressant.
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But back then I was living in my past traumas and I partially didn't know what they were
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either.
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So basically I was crazy with grief and was struggling with change and that whole year.
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Now you mentioned homelessness in your past.
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Was that at that time or some other time?
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It was after my auntie.
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I actually had retained a really nice apartment with the sale of my home.
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And I didn't experience homelessness till around 2018, almost 2019.
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Well let's get back chronologically to where we were.
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So back seven years ago, what happened to you?
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Well what had been going on is that I believe I used to make meals and then put them in
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the freezer and I had some chili that I had on thawed.
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I believe it definitely had food poisoning.
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I was throwing up and unable to have a bowel movement.
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And actually food poisoning can really offset your emotions.
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It can be worse than a UTI.
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It can just make everything go wrong.
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And so I was experiencing food poisoning the day before my NDE.
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Did you want to hear about my NDE, how that happened?
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Well yeah, so you had food poisoning.
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Did that lead you to the hospital?
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It did, yes.
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So anyway what happened was, February 3rd of 2016, at about 11.30pm, I had been vomiting
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really really bad.
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Finally I decided I was disoriented, getting lost, what have you in the neighborhood.
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So I did eventually call EMS and they came and got me and I was actively throwing up.
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This is 11.30pm that I arrived at this emergency room.
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Next thing I know, I'm throwing up and saying I'm unable to have a BM.
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This has been a problem.
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They went ahead and took some blood tests and then went ahead and shot me off to get
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a CT scan of my belly to see what was going on in my bowels to see if there was a bowel
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obstruction.
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And so next thing I know, while I was getting my blood tests, I had asked for an anagnya
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medication, something for pain.
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Zofran is typically used in an ID to deal with the nausea.
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And next thing I know, I'm in the CT scan and the gentleman had been playing actually
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some Christian music.
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I'd asked him to shut it off.
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And what ended up happening is he turns it back on and then within a couple minutes I
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stated my time of death.
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Next thing I know, I'm back in my room and I'm being given an ID.
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I'm asking the nurse to say Zofran and she said yes.
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Next thing I know, I start losing consciousness and someone comes in and says, can I take
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your blood pressure?
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Turn over, show me your arm.
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And next thing I know, I feel a flash in my brain and then my heart, a very indescribable
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flutter.
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And I cry out my heart.
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The doctor was in the room and said, oh, it's just the morphing.
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And next thing I know, I'm out and I'm up above my body and I watch him come in and he's
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checking my pupils.
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I'm unreactive.
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So I ended up, I believe that the morphine suppressed my breathing and I died.
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And while I was dead, I was up above my body watching at certain points.
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And next thing I know, I'm in this dark, dark tunnel and there are jagged, jagged rocks
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all along the wall.
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And I hear sounds from down below, a lot of negativity.
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And this thing I call the devil trying to grab my legs.
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You can't do it.
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You can't make it.
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Next thing I know, there's this last jagged rock I'm looking at it going, I can't do this.
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And finally said, excuse the expression, hell no, literally, and figuratively.
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Next thing I know, I'm sitting in this big room and I believe I know where it is in Jerusalem,
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where the doors have been closed for hundreds of years.
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I can describe the inside and I'm sitting and talking with Jesus.
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It's being shared with me my future, not the timing, but what I would experience throughout
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life.
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And so far, it's completely what he described.
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Next thing I know, I'm at this gate with combs with this bright light and booming voice,
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go now.
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For me, many people that have an empty, don't remember any of it.
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Some remember all of it and some remember parts of it.
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And some people don't learn.
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They end up learning through years and years and years where they remember what they're
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experiencing.
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So there are some, like I said, that don't remember anything.
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And I remember the pure love, that love, I didn't believe in love.
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I didn't experience it as a child in any way, shape or form from my parents.
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And so I didn't believe in love, no way, no how.
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And I felt that pure, pure love.
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Now I've gotten glimpses of being on a path with entities, people with these bright lights
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inside them.
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So I know there's a lot more to my NDE.
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So far, I don't know what the complete NDE, but I imagine someday I'll go through hypnosis
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to go ahead and learn the rest.
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But I just experienced a pure love.
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And I always tell people when I describe that love, dogs here on earth in this realm, so
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to speak, the perfect love, unconditional.
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And I think dog is actually Hebrew.
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In Hebrew you read from left to right, dog backwards spells God.
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And that's the only thing that I could, the only way I can describe that perfect love.
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Next thing I know, I remember getting an injection in my right wrist from the doctor.
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And I hear him say, honey, you're no angel, you're on angel dust.
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And I end up told by the nurse, sit up, get dressed, leave.
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And this is about 1.45 a.m. February 4th, mind you.
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I wasn't there for very long apparently.
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And next thing I know, I know there's stores leading to the middle of the hospital.
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And the outside doors that lead in are way, way the other direction.
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Next thing I know, I think she grabbed my arm and said, no, this way.
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And I remember all the nurses and doctors at that station looking at me was such disgust.
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And so I'm light out those stores at around 2.03 a.m. in the morning.
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Okay, all right, I need to slow you down.
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We're covering a lot of territory here really fast.
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It's so hard, bud.
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Yeah, it definitely is.
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Let's come back to the end of that three hours.
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But first, I want to go through this kind of piece by piece.
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You tell me if I've got it right here.
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So first you leave your body and you're watching what doctors are doing with it, right?
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Right.
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Then you're going down a dark tunnel with the devil trying to grab your legs.
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Right, saying I couldn't do it.
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How did you know that that's who it was?
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Was it just the feeling there?
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Yeah, you can't make it.
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You can't do it.
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Stay down here.
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And I just remember being recoiled by what I was hearing these screams.
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I would equate when I've experienced only once that weird feeling like when I was in
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that tunnel climbing up those rocks and I was hearing a bunch of people together nagging
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about somebody else that they don't like.
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I was hearing that negative rhetoric, just pure negative.
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And you were able to get past that and then you ended up in a room that you said is locked
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in Jerusalem.
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Tell me about that.
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What is that?
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I still, my memory is pretty bad, but I heard a documentary.
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There's a room with a walkway that they sealed shut that Jesus, they say would do his talking
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to others and what have you.
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And I can describe the lions and all the structures inside.
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I didn't know about where this room was until I saw a documentary years later, like five
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years later.
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Right.
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So you saw this in your NDE, but didn't know where it was or what it was.
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Until I saw a place and they gave a description of what they thought was inside.
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But I knew what was, I know every detail to that room.
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And you said Jesus was there, right?
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Yes.
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Tell me about that.
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I just remember him talking to me, telling me what would happen to me, the homelessness,
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the loss of my son and how hard it would be to live this life.
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But in reality, all this heavy hardcore stuff that I got through in the explain this makes
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me experience empathy towards others who experience these things and be healthy, have healthy
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boundaries.
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And by, he was right, experiencing the homelessness, experiencing mental health issues, everything
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I've experienced, I'm able to relate to others on a personal level.
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So he explained all that.
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And he did explain in the end, you know, that I would experience the heaven when it's
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God's time, not mine.
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And that's become very apparent.
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Did you have a choice on whether you were coming back or were you just sent back?
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No.
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I was told to go by God Himself, the bright light.
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I said, go.
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I was not given a choice whatsoever.
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I think when I was sitting with Jesus, I said, okay, I understand what the outcome's going
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to be, but I wasn't given a choice.
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No, not whatsoever.
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What was it like coming back into your body?
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I remember slamming back into it with a nurse walking in the room telling me to get dressed,
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go.
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It was pretty, you know, I'm giving something in my arm to get me to breathe.
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And then within a couple of minutes, I'm sure I have somebody stomping in the room,
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me telling me to get dressed and leave several times.
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I'm just starting to breathe with this woman making demands on me.
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Yeah.
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And come to find out on that blood test, I had a true, false, positive for meth and
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PCP.
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I was actually on major drugs from psychiatrists.
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The two of those drugs have a tendency of throwing out a true, false, positive.
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And I never, I mean, it's kind of like poppy seeds, that that can throw out a true, false,
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positive.
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I've never, ever, ever used drugs.
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And come to find out was for methamphetamines and PCP.
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I have no idea what any of that would be like to take.
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I've always had medical knowledge and I kind of like my brain.
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Even if you had been on that, I cannot imagine them just kicking you out of the hospital.
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It happens every split second of the day across the U.S., especially at night.
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I think that that was one heck of an assumption that I was an addict and I've never used
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a dame on life.
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And it's very, very sad, very, very sad when people get treated this way.
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But it happens all the time.
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Addicts need medical help too.
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Absolutely.
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And I'm definitely an advocate.
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I've never done them before, but while I was homeless staying in shelters in Portland, Oregon,
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I would sit with addicts.
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I mean, they're not actively using in front of me.
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And come to find out a gentleman, his, a lot of narcosis, dead, deadening of the skin and
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his feet.
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And I sat down with him with for a half hour.
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I actually saw him within the last year here in Arizona having a meal.
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I sat down, got real honest and raw with him.
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And he's, he went and got clean.
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And I see him six years later.
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And so I know that I experienced what I did.
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It happens all the time, even for people who have recovered from addictions and still on
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their medical records.
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It's just very, very sad what he goes and what assumptions.
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And they don't, that's everybody has a story.
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We all do.
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And I definitely advocate.
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And everyone's small shows up on my records and I'm a poly substance abuser.
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I've never even used.
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So I've experienced being treated in a very, very bad way because of what's written on
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paper.
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And I don't seek out pain killers at all.
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I want to know what the problem is with me.
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I don't want anything for pain.
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But I mean, it's very sad where the world is today when it comes to assumptions.
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And we all are human and we all need, we all have strengths and weaknesses.
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And that's all I can say about that.
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Let me ask you, going back again, and then we'll finish up on this section, but tell
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me about the pure love as you called it.
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What was that like?
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For me, it's, I'm starting to lose what it felt like here and in what's going on in,
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in the world and, and how I'm treated and what have you.
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It's indescribable, just pure, pure, pure love.
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And I can only say the dog beside me, my Jack Russell, provides that unconditionally.
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Now some people, especially those that maybe aren't huge dog lovers, would have a little
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bit of a hard time with you describing the love in heaven, which most people call God's
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love with a dog's love.
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Can you help those people through this little paradox?
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I mean, love for people, I am a Christian, but for me, it's about spirituality.
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It is, if you find that love in a tree or wherever you may find it, if you feel it, that's what's
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important.
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Meditation, if that brings out love to you, anything, it's pure.
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It is pure and unconditional.
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And that is what love is, true love.
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And I didn't, nobody could describe to me what love felt like.
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I didn't believe there was such a thing till I died.
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And for me, a lot of people I've seen have said, I want to experience an end to E. I
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don't think you do.
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It comes with all kinds of, it's just not something that I think anybody should seek
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out.
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It's not the end result.
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It's hard to, it's just difficult after experiencing the end E in so many ways.
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So I don't recommend anyone trying to facilitate an end E. I really don't.
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But that pure love, many people find it in music and all kinds of different sorts of things.
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But for me, the closest thing that I could feel love is by a dog.
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But it can come from all kinds of different sources.
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You are absolutely right here.
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Let's talk about now how your life changed after that.
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Everybody's life, that's everyone that's had an end to either life changes in some
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ways.
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Yours got rough.
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Tell us what happened.
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Well, for me, they kept telling me that I had no, that I was a meth adder, what have
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you, and I actually met, exits your bloodstream and stuff within 72 hours, but not your hair
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follicle.
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I believed that for months.
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And I thought I came to the conclusion somebody was putting it in my food or something because
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I knew I wasn't doing it.
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I ended up, I think within a year ended up having to walk away from everything dear and
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near to my heart in that tiny little town in Oregon.
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I couldn't, I faced a defamation of character in a very, very large way.
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A lot of assumptions I was walking around saying that I was on angel dust.
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That doctor, I must have been in some type of state coming, starting to breathe and have
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somebody say, honey, you're no angel, you're on angel dust.
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And I'm wandering around thinking I'm on angel dust.
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Very, very, and it was never corrected.
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So I mean, I was literally looked and sounded crazy for a good year.
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And I ended up having to walk away from everything here, everything that into homelessness.
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And what was homelessness like?
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Most of us haven't experienced it.
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We've seen a little glimpses of it, but from someone who was there, what's it really like?
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For me, what's it really like, depending on how I was stressed, I couldn't use a public
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restroom in a restaurant or even a convenience store at all.
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Now if I was stressed nice, I had access to everything.
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So people were judging me by how I looked.
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I was always clean, but carrying that bag of clothes or a backpack, changed the perception
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and the assumptions.
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I actually have a fingerprint card.
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I have never had evictions, nothing.
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But these, and it's very, very sad that by the way in which I look, I'm treated differently.
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Even right now, I had something happen in my life that I was not at fault, so I don't
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have a car right now.
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I'm walking everywhere and I am treated so much differently.
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Doesn't even, well, it does matter how I look.
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I'm all dressed up today.
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I get totally.
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So that was the hardest part of homelessness, the assumptions.
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And then in Oregon, you have to make three times the rent.
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And then you have to come up with first and last.
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And when somebody is on a certain, just a one income and your housing challenge, you
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can't get a job, but you have to have a job to have a place.
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Let's talk about affordable housing.
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I've never even had an eviction, never left damage, none of that.
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So I ended up staying in shelters.
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And I always say I'm an assumption buster.
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One day up in Portland, dress very, very nice.
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I talked about my homelessness.
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This woman says to me, you don't look like you're homeless.
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You're well put together.
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And I said to her, what does homelessness look like and sound like to you?
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And she had no response.
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So I think, you know, we need to give, we can't assume people's story in any way, shape
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or form at all.
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And not even half of those that are on the streets or addicts or alcoholics, by the
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way, they can't get access to housing that they can afford.
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And it's spread throughout the whole country.
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I don't believe in expensive band-aids called shelters or what have it.
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But there are zoning laws where people don't want homelessness in their neighbor, someone
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who has been homeless.
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And so that's just a totally different discussion.
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But I'm all about behavioral health and giving people a chance.
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And in Oregon and throughout the country now, they're having tiny house villages where
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they're teaching people how to live in a community.
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And the success rate at once they leave that program is almost 100% actually.
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That's fantastic.
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Was there a certain program or something that helped you get out of homelessness?
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Well, actually, yes, here in Arizona.
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But actually in the large county, you had to be an addict or an alcoholic.
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Now no one's wandering around saying they have to be an addict or an alcoholic to get
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into temporary housing.
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I changed that.
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I guess I'm the success story.
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I think it's kind of success story.
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They told me I was gifted.
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I went and applied at that apartment and I was in the next week.
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But there are so many homeless that will do that.
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I don't think what I did was that special.
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But I have an income where I was able to once they helped me out, I was able to get on my
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own footing and succeed.
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Not every homeless person is a criminal or what have you.
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Like I said, I've got a fingerprint card and no evictions.
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It's just a matter of having that extra help to get into places costly.
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It really, really is.
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So yes, I made some changes in this county in Portland and what have you.
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People are wandering around saying I need to go and use and get them here and sample
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to be able to be included in a program.
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Actually after I died, I started realizing I had been living in my past trauma.
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I was living in my past.
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And I actually at the time, you're so later had been seen a very knowledgeable counselor.
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And I walk in the door talking about what was going on, what had, this is why are you
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here Robin.
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And I'm thinking, hmm, he's going to go home.
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Well finally after a while, I realized what he said, what he was getting at.
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You are talking about the past and you can't control it.
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So I equate that to my past and all of that is in a room.
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Walk out that room and never enter it again.
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And I was able to realize my past and my strengths and weaknesses because of them.
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I was able to overcome that ugliness and stopped living.
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And that is the biggest blessing for my NDE.
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It was a total reset on my mindset.
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What I was telling myself in my head was not the truth.
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They say nine times out of 10.
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A thought is actually a lie.
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And in my case, I had to reprogram myself talk, what I was telling myself every day.
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And I was able to recover and no longer be on all those starting drugs.
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I think drugs, anisecotics and what have you are effective for many, but I don't find
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it being a long term thing.
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I'm hopeful that it isn't for so many, but I was able to realize that that was my past.
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That makes sense.
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And you mentioned help for people with addictions.
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Did you observe a lot of mental health, other mental health issues as well?
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Absolutely.
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People that had experienced pure trauma in their lives like I have.
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I think that that is basically, I would say almost 100% of those that are homeless,
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have a lot of trauma, a lot that they're unable to overcome.
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It's mainly having to do with mental health.
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That is the tie.
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And when your housing challenge and living in the elements, anybody would have a hard
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time with that.
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There are many people that are income based right now facing homelessness where they don't
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know how they're even going to put food on the table.
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And it is a reality that is very, very hard.
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We are all human beings.
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I will sit with anyone and talk with anyone with those healthy boundaries.
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And what happened to after my ND is human behavior, how someone stands, carry themselves,
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how they speak.
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I know what I'm feeling and looking at with behavior.
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But addictions, I think so many people turn to addictions because they're struggling so
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bad.
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But like I said before, not even half of those homeless are addicts or alcoholics.
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They're trauma-filled.
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So what can the average person, you and I that live, whether we live in an urban area where
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we see homelessness every day or like right now I'm in a more rural area where I don't
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see it so much, what can we do to help?
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I think that we need to stop assuming and start listening to people's stories.
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And you would be in shock.
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I knew women in Atlanta that had masters and bachelors that were traumatized.
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Many women, especially women with children that are homeless, you have no idea what they
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left behind.
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More than likely abuse, addictions, beatings.
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I really hold women up that are homeless with their children because they know their children
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are their future.
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I think to help the homeless, we need to hear their stories, first of all.
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And I think there's a lot of expensive band-aids going on in our country where I think the
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intent is great, but intentions are great and they only go so far.
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I think we need to start educating people in a very large way and facilitate a lot of
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kindness and love and mercy.
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Now I think there are dangerous people out there.
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Not all homeless are dangerous.
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I know a lot of dangerous people that have nice homes.
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So that assumption goes away right away.
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But I think we need to start hearing people's stories.
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And intentions are great.
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We need a plan, a solid plan, not just let's react to something.
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I think in Portland right now, we've got a mayor that's reaction after reaction with
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expensive band-aids without a plan, long goal plan.
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And I think that's all over the country.
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I really, really do.
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But let's talk about affordable housing.
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But so many people, not my neighborhood.
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So zoning laws are very, very hard.
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But I really, people are people.
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And I'm going to assume what you say they were or why they're out there.
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You would be amazed on how many people's stories actually are relatable to people in homes.
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And the assumptions need to go away.
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They really, really do.
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That sounds great.
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Before we wrap up, let me just ask you, what did you learn from your NDE that can help
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people who may be struggling in that area or those of us who have been very blessed in
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that area, but we would like to be able to help others?
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Realize the one thing is to listen to people and their stories and be healthy, you know,
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boundary-wise.
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And also realize that so many human beings, especially those out on the streets, are living
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in their past traumas.
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We need to start resetting with behavioral health and mental health to switch that tape
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in each individual to realize the strengths that people, that individuals have because
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we all have strengths and weaknesses.
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We really, really do.
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So we need to start retraining our minds on what's playing in our own heads, what we're
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telling ourselves, because that is what changed for me.
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I understood what I was telling myself all the time.
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And actually, what you tell yourself, if it's ugly all over day after day after day, it's
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hard to overcome that.
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So I really, I think that we need to start talking about therapy and start relating to
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one another because we all do have a human connection.
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And lastly, I love the words pure love.
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How again would you describe that?
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But even more so, how would you encourage us or help us learn how to feel that and to
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share it with others?
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Well, I think that get rid of assumptions and assumptions.
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And with pure love, it needs to accept one another.
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I think there is a big difference between who a person is and what their behaviors are.
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Just because you have a behavior that doesn't make you who you are.
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There is a difference between behavior and who you are as a human being.
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And I really encourage everyone to realize that, that we are human.
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And if there's some behavior, that's not what makes us who we are.
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And I think that would make the difference in the world.
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And pure love, you accept, you don't criticize and then walk away.
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You try to find a solution.
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That is what pure love is, acceptance.
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And trying to understand what that person is going through.
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I always say it's an impact.
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I know what to own and what not to.
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Also, so many people right now are struggling with what others say and the only control
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we ever have are our own actions and reactions.
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And that is, we need to all realize that, not get so stuck in what everybody's doing
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or saying back in the day.
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I used to think that I had control.
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I was crazy and no longer crazy.
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So I encourage everyone to realize that that person has issues and you need to realize
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just that.
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And that's pure love too.
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All I mean, what you're doing yourself and not what others are saying or what have you
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about you or about others.
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And that is pure love.
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And it sounds like the other thing that you're saying is not only expressing pure love to
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others, but to yourself.
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Absolutely.
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And I think there are tiny things we can do for ourselves.
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So walk is great for the endorphins.
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It really is.
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And mental health issues, some freedom.
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Many of us don't have any money.
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We can't go buy things or what have you.
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But there are tiny ways of taking loving kind care of ourselves.
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Music, whatever your thing is, you need to take that time every day, biking, whatever
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you can do for yourself or your own mental health.
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It is not good to sit in a room and just worry and get upset on things in which you really
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can't control.
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So everybody needs to take that moment to be able to deflate and to feel their own selves.
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It's so cathartic.
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It really, really is.
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Rob, and thanks a lot for being with us today.
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You are very welcome, Ira.
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Thanks again for listening and a quick reminder to follow this podcast and take a few seconds
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to write a review.
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Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the
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