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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome to Roundtrip Death, everybody, and we're happy to have on the show with us today
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Daniella Gordon.
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Daniella, how are you?
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I'm doing very well.
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Thank you.
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How are you?
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I'm great.
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It is such a pleasure.
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We have talked a couple of times already and got to know each other a little bit and
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people are going to really like you today.
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They're going to like your honesty and your experience and everything else.
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So and you're in Baltimore, Maryland, right?
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Correct.
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Okay.
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Do you want to tell us a little bit more about you?
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Sure.
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So I'll be 56 soon.
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I have three amazing children that are all adults.
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I've been married and with my husband off and on for over 40 years since junior high
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school.
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We've been best friends since then.
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I went to college and studied psychology, which I really loved.
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And then I continued more education and I practiced radiology for a while more in the
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trauma, critical care, intensive care, operating room, an emergency room, and my specialty,
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of course, was trauma as well as orthopedics.
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I really loved that.
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I thought I had the best life then because of course, the income was good.
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I was just happy all around.
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Until I had my car accident, everything changed.
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However, after I do talk about what happened, it kind of really happened to push my purpose
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more forward.
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All right.
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We'll get into all the detail of that here in just a minute.
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So three grown kids, any grandkids yet?
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No grandchildren.
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My 31-year-old just got married a little less than a year ago, so hopefully soon.
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Well, I will tell you, they are the best.
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I can't wait.
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They are absolutely the best.
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So I wish you many grandchildren one of these days at the right time and all that kind of
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stuff.
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So, Daniela, oh, one thing you left out.
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You're allowed to brag about yourself a little bit.
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You're working on a PhD right now.
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I am.
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Actually, I'm done.
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It's just the last piece is the grading of the dissertation because it is a 10,000 word
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one.
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It's pretty long and really interesting.
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It takes a little while for them to grade it.
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So yeah, I have about another month and a half to two months and I'll have my doctorate
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as well.
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And this stemmed from this experience that made me go in this direction.
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Congratulations.
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I'm going to just start calling you doctor if that's okay.
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You can.
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I'd rather wait though.
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I'm very humble, Eric.
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I'm a very humble doctor.
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Dr. Danny, how's that?
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Oh, my goodness.
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It's going to be a big difference.
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All right.
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Let's go back in time quite a few years leading up to your near death experience, bad car
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accident, but give us a little background.
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What was happening that day?
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What led you to that specific moment in time?
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So it's very interesting that you are the only one that actually asked pre, which is
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kind of interesting because that day in the evening we were invited for a holiday dinner.
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It was during the winter.
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It was in December of 1997.
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And the strangest thing that I couldn't figure out, of course, until after the fact was,
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you know, in the winter us women don't care.
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We don't want to shave our legs every day and look pretty and all that.
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And that night, that evening, late afternoon when I got in the shower, I was like shaving
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my leg.
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Like I was getting ready for something and I didn't make sense, but I was compelled.
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We were after, you know, getting ready and everything.
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My oldest son, who was five years old at the time, and two of my nephews who always wanted
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to be with our aunt, Daniela, we got into my car and my husband actually got into his
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truck and was driving behind us because he did have to take a ladder over to where we
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were going for to get on the roof or something like that.
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So he was actually right behind us when the accident happened.
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When we had left the house, we were driving down one of the main roads by us and an old
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man ran a stop sign and hit the right front end of the car where my son was sitting.
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However, from the impact, I got all the impact where I was crushed and not my son.
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And I'm so grateful for that because I literally would have been living a nightmare every day.
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Had my son gotten the injuries, got forbid, you know, that I did.
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Yeah.
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That would have been horrible.
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So was he okay?
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He was.
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When my husband saw the crash, of course, he jumped out of his truck and he didn't realize
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that I wasn't breathing only because when he looked in the car and my husband's a retired
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police officer now.
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So he's trained to look for the most serious injuries and he absolutely did the right
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thing as I think any mother would sacrifice their life in a heartbeat without even thinking
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twice for their kids.
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But my son did have a little bit of blood underneath his nose.
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So my husband went right over to him.
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Now I couldn't breathe.
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So I started beeping the horn like very aggressively just because I needed help.
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I just couldn't breathe anymore.
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But he, you know, he was with my son and in the accident, the way the car was hit, I got
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completely crushed and my left leg was caught under the dashboard.
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And I think my head broke the mirror as well, like the rear view mirror definitely did.
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I sustained an enormous amount of injuries, but leading up to where I had passed away,
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once I was hit, immediately I knew that I just, I couldn't expand my lungs.
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I couldn't breathe.
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I could not get an ounce of oxygen into myself.
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And next thing I knew, my entire life literally flashed in front of me.
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Right after all that, every worry that I could possibly have ran in front of me.
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And of course it was all about my son.
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Like I said, I knew I was going to die.
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I couldn't breathe and I knew I was going to die.
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That was a given already at that point.
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And I just interrupt and asked one quick thing.
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Some people have what they call a life review.
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Would you say that that's what your life flashing before your eyes was or was it kind of different
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than that?
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Yeah, no, it was definitely a life review.
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Everything flashed in front of my eyes and it happened so quick, so quick, but everything
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was there.
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And then it went to, you know, every worry.
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And of course with my son being in the car and my nephew, I knew that my nephews were
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okay because I did check.
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I remember every worry I had, like is my son going to be okay?
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How is he going to grow up?
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What's going to happen?
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You know, every kind of worry about your child, about my child ran through my head.
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And then that was it.
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I ended up somewhere else.
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Okay.
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So you didn't have the experience of going down the tunnel that some people do.
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Certainly not everybody does.
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Seeing the light, all that kind of stuff.
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I think mine was so immediate, Eric.
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You know, it happened so fast and it was a really hard impact.
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It was pretty bad.
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My understanding was 911 had never received so many calls as they did for this accident.
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It was pretty bad.
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Well, and that doesn't make your experience any less real.
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The fact that you arrived there quickly.
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Can you tell us where there was?
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Well, it was definitely somewhere I had never been before or never seen much less ever experienced
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what I did.
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I remember right when I got there, my physical dead body was in front of me.
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I wasn't floating or hovering or anything like that.
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Actually, to the contrary, I felt very grounded, Eric, extremely grounded.
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I remember my head was positioned to the left and my feet were to the right.
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And it was, I can't, you know, I didn't hear any voices or anyone talking to me.
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It was more like a very distinct knowing you just knew.
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You could call it some form of mental telepathy, like a telepathy type of understanding.
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But I realized, Eric, that what I was supposed to do was take a really good look at my physical
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dead body and say goodbye to it, which is what I was basically doing.
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That's interesting.
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So was there more, you said you just knew, was there more than that that you knew at
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that point?
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So I remember right away after saying goodbye to my body, I had, I was saying to myself,
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my soul, because my soul was still alive outside of the physical body.
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I was totally away from it.
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And I remember saying, oh, my, this is, this is home.
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I mean, we all have houses.
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We all have, you know, different places that we live in here on earth.
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But that was truly home.
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There was no doubt or question in my mind about it.
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It was the most extremely peaceful place.
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We have nothing to compare it to here.
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I get that question actually a lot because people will ask me, Daniela, how, how can
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you describe the peacefulness that you experience?
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And I will literally ask them, what makes you peaceful?
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You know, some people will say lighting candles, listening to certain music, taking a warm
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bath.
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Everybody has different things that are, makes them feel peaceful.
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And of course, my, my immediate response is try to multiply that by infinity.
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So you see, it's impossible because we just don't have anything anywhere like it here.
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Yeah.
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Are there any more words than peaceful that you could add to it to help us understand that
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feeling?
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Absolutely.
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So let me explain what I saw because I think that will kind of also help.
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Please do.
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That'd be great.
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Yeah.
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And what I experienced, I will tell you when I first got there, the colors there were a
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huge contrast of black, gray, and white.
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I was not presented colors yet in the beginning.
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Everything was very distinctive, gray, black, white, and I was able to see infinity in front
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of me because one thing I did do was look around everywhere and observe a lot that was,
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you know, there.
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And what I can tell you clearly is there are no walls.
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There is no flooring or grounds.
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There is no time.
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There is no schedule.
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There is no weather.
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There's a lot of things that are not there that we have here.
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However, it is the most peaceful, tranquil, serene place you could ever be in.
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Beautiful.
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What did infinity look like?
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Endless.
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It was so endless.
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Was it like solar systems and planets and space or people or?
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At that time, again, it was still the gray, black, and white.
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So if you're looking straight ahead, for example, I guess you could try to imagine driving down
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a dark road with no headlights, with no street lights, but yet there's that glare of the
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moon that gives you some contrast.
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And you're looking down an endless road.
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That was not exactly like that, but you could see infinity.
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I got to see infinity.
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It never ended at all.
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At what point did the black, gray, and white turn into color?
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And what was that like?
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That happened pretty much right before I got pulled back.
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But there's some other things that I want to share with you that I know my experience
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was very different.
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I know many people had this experience with their NDE.
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I remember at one point I was privileged to look down on Earth.
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And it was very interesting because I literally got to see every city, every state, every
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country, and all the souls that are populating each demographic area.
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And the importance of that, I think that I was presented with, was how every single
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soul has a purpose here, good, bad, or indifferent.
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Every single one had a purpose here.
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And I do recall distinctively looking down, and it was an Asian man that really I focused
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on from up there.
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And it was because of the way he was lit up and the way he was just moving around in
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the vibration that now looking back, I do believe this was a person that probably had
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a very significant NDE.
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He was very different than a lot of the other souls that I got to see.
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There's something very different about him.
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But a lot of people will say, well, how do you know that each person has a purpose and
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it's from there?
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And I try to explain the analogy of like, you know, like if you go to ride bumper cars,
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like at a park or amusement park, and each bumper car has almost like the centenity that
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goes up to the ceiling and the electricity generates off in there.
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It was pretty much like that.
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Everybody had this form of antenna, a connection to have their purpose worked out here on Earth,
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play out, worked out, however, you know, you want to word it.
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And that was very different.
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That was very different.
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And then again, once the colors were presented, meaning after I had looked around after I
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had it very curiously, you know, wanting to see everything, that was when the colors started
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to present themselves.
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And the colors there are, listen, we have beautiful colors here on Earth and artists
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do amazing, amazing work with with the colors that we have.
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But it's very different there.
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The colors there are so vivid, so bright.
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We just don't have it here, but they are absolutely gorgeous.
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Would you say there are other colors there in addition to what we have here, or are they
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just brighter?
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What I saw was they were just a lot brighter.
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We don't have them here that way, but they're just so in depth and so beautiful that we
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really just don't have them here.
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Yeah.
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I've had some people explain it to me as it's almost like they're just sort of muted or watered
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down here compared to there.
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Does that sound right to you?
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Exactly.
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That's what I mean by very vivid and bright and just they're just gorgeous.
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Everything is just beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
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Okay.
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What else did you see or do?
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So I did want to make mention the one thing that I did feel when I first got there also
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was, and I have to say it was a male dominant sense that I could feel all around me while
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I was there.
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And the beauty of that experience was that was loaded with unconditional love, protection.
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You just knew nothing was wrong.
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Everything couldn't have been more perfect, but it was more of like a male dominance.
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I didn't see the bright light.
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I didn't see a tunnel.
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I didn't see God.
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I didn't even see relatives, past relatives or anything, but that was very significant
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that I clearly still remember like it was yesterday.
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Right.
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But you didn't see this male presence, but it was a very strong feeling of it all around
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you.
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All around.
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Absolutely.
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All around.
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All right.
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Anything else?
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As far as while I was there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Anything else before you came back?
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Let's hear it now.
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Of course.
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I do remember at the point when I had to look at my physical body and leave it as if I was
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going somewhere else.
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I do remember that my soul, I started turning at about a 35 to 40 degree towards the left
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side heading somewhere else where I was heading.
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I don't know because that happened to be the time that I got pulled back.
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I know that they did work on me for over six hours to try to stabilize me.
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I know that they also pulled my husband out and he was running between the emergency room
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and the trauma unit because we did, you know, my son was taken just to make sure everything
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was okay.
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He's perfectly fine.
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I know that they did pull my husband out and told him that, you know, we're not sure
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if we're going to be able to save her, but we are trying to do everything we can.
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At that point when I was turning the 35 to 40 to the left, that's when I got yanked back.
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What do you mean by yanked back?
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That sounds interesting.
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You've used the word pull and yanked.
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It's almost like it was against your will.
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You got pulled back.
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Well, you don't really want to leave there.
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I hate to say that.
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I mean, I'm grateful that I did because I had a five-year-old at that time and I need
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to be here.
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My purpose was a lot bigger, you know, after that experience than what it was ever before,
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but you literally get yanked back.
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You get pulled back into your physical body again.
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Was there anything that you remember about that process or were you just all of a sudden
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back in the body and then did you wake up physically?
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I remember waking up.
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Actually everything is a blur.
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I mean, I sustained a lot of injuries.
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I was bleeding internally quite a bit.
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You know, I've had a lot of physical damage from it.
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I've lost a lot of parts of my body, you know, from the accident, from the physical impact,
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but you don't want to leave there.
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You don't want to leave there.
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But I remember talking to the paramedic in the ambulance.
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I remember finally being able to say something and I kept telling him I can't breathe.
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I did have one of my ribs completely popped out of where it was supposed to be.
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It was very hard to breathe.
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And I kept saying, you know, I can't breathe trying to get that out, but he was amazing.
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He kept reassuring me, you're breathing.
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If you can talk, stay with me.
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Keep trying to talk.
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You know, keep this.
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And the next thing I remember, I was in the Trauma Unit with a bunch of doctors and nurses
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all around me working on me.
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It just seemed to never end.
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And then after that, of course, I had, you know, I'd stayed in the hospital for a while.
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Even after that, I went through, I stopped counting at about 30 to 35 surgeries, but
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realistically between surgeries and invasive things that I've had to have done, I'm probably
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easily in the 50 some for that.
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Also I had to use a wheelchair for a while.
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It came for a while.
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I was in physical therapy and aqua therapy for way over 10 years to get my life back.
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You know, I had to learn how to breathe right because I was breathing so shallow.
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It was so painful.
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Using my arms properly again, my legs.
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It was very hard.
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Recovery, a lot of surgeries, a lot of emergencies.
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It was, it was really a rough road.
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That's rough.
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The fact that you had this experience, do you think that helped you at least from a perspective
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of having a better attitude about things?
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Did the experience maybe help you through the recovery?
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It definitely did.
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I was always a very positive person and I think in a strong person, and I think that
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that just really enhanced a lot more because you have to remember that these surgeries
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weren't right after the accident.
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It was problems that kept happening.
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So this went on for a while.
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And I had four miscarriages from complications, which was very, sorry.
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It's okay.
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Take your time.
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Which was really hard.
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All three of my kids were born very, very premature.
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So it was a battle because they were on a respirator with oxygen and for months, it was very hard.
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And in between, I got bleeding internally from different parts.
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I lost, you know, I lost all my fallopian tubes, my ovaries, my uterus.
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I lost a lot of parts of my body from it because I kept bleeding internally.
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So it was a really rough road.
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But at the end of the day, I have three beautiful children and they're all thriving, doing well,
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amazing careers.
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They did great.
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You know, all the problems that they were supposed to have, they didn't have any to the
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point where the pediatrician, their pediatrician literally was begging me to write a book to
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help parents, you know, that have premature babies.
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And I knew I had three sets of eyes watching me.
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And I had to always remind myself that I have to set the best example not to ever give up.
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You know, I fell into like really deep depressions at the time from it.
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Just because in the beginning, I couldn't even process what happened to me.
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This took me over 10 to 15 years to process what happened.
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And I had to get help from spiritual leaders who helped me a lot because all of a sudden
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things were very different in my life.
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Things that I was seeing, things that I was experiencing were very different, unknown
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to me ever before in my 20 some years.
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That's what happened when I was in my later 20s.
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And nothing like that had ever happened before.
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And the beauty of it was they really helped me understand why I can see spirits and why
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they come to me.
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And it was because it was explained to me that when I had got pulled back, I never
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shut the door from where I was.
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So it's an open channel.
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And it's a blessing because I do help people through mediumship greatly.
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I also have gifts with my hands with healing.
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I get a lot of clients.
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I've helped so many people literally all over the world that have gone to doctors anywhere
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from 10 to 30, 40 years.
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And they've exhausted every means that they could do for these poor souls suffering.
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And they end up getting referred to me.
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And my statistics across the board is within three months, they're doing much better than
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prior to where there was an injury, an accident, or trauma.
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Whatever the situation is across the board within three months, my hands have been able
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to heal them.
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And I also do medical intuition where I can scan the body with my hands and see what's
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going on inside.
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So I've been able to find things that even our MRIs and stuff haven't found or I can
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find where the source of the problem is.
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So I've been really gifted on that end with coming back.
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A lot of people when they come back, they have a hard time processing like what you
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were just talking about.
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And some tried to talk about it and they got shut down saying, you know, don't talk about
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that.
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You sound crazy or something.
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So just don't even talk about it.
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What advice do you have for people that are going through that?
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What kind of help should they get?
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You mentioned spiritual help.
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Are there counselors, therapists that they should talk to too?
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Or what's your advice?
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I mean, I do a lot of spiritual counseling as well.
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That is part of what I do.
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That's actually in the metaphysics, the doctor that I'm doing.
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My specialty is counseling, which I felt was very important.
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And the greatest advice I can give is this.
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I couldn't talk about it.
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I couldn't even put it together to talk about it.
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It took a long time.
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And I know that now, you know, after meeting a lot of people that have gone through this,
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that's pretty common across the board that it takes a long time.
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Very rarely you'll have somebody talking about it a year or two years after the situation.
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It's usually a way above 10 years.
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And I know mine has been.
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But if I can give the best advice here is take your time to process what happened because
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it happened to you for a reason.
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You were selected for that to happen, regardless of how it happened.
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Take your time on processing it.
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But the second that you feel that you're ready to talk about it, come out and talk about
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it.
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Don't worry about anyone's opinions, remarks, comments, because they are truly worthless,
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meaning that whatever comment they make is really meaningless.
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Because one, most likely they didn't have this kind of experience.
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If they did, they surely will not make a comment about it.
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They would be more loving and understanding because it is very hard to go through, you
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know, into process.
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So keep going and do what is best for you.
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And don't be scared to talk about it.
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Would you recommend that it would be beneficial for people to talk about it sooner than later?
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So that's a two-part question when you ask that because one, yes, talk about it as soon
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as you can.
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But again, you have to realize, don't come out and talk about it if you haven't even
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processed it, because that's what truly takes the time is to process all that.
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So the second you're ready, I mean, I joke around, I say, wow, it feels so good to come
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out of my spiritual closet and be able to talk about it.
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You know, people are scared because maybe somebody will judge them.
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Maybe someone will, you know, like you said, tell them, oh, you're crazy.
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But the truth of the matter is you're not.
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You're not.
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Come out of that spiritual closet.
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You will feel so much lighter because that is truly very heavy to carry around and feel
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lost with.
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I went through that.
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So I would advise against it heavily because once I did start talking about it, one, I
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realized there was such an outpour of love and support towards this, which is the best
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thing anyone could do when you hear somebody go through this experience.
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And you have to remember you're the one that experienced it.
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Other people have not.
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Other souls have not experienced it.
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You know, when people don't understand things, they like, they like to use the word crazy.
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They don't know what else to say, I guess.
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If it didn't happen to them, then there must be something wrong with it.
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Well, a lot of times people call things crazy.
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It's because, and I hate to say it this way, it's because they've reached their limit.
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That's it.
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That's all they're telling you.
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They can't comprehend beyond that.
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Would you also find that it's a good idea to, for some of these people to go to some
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IONS group so they can just casually talk with other people that have had similar experiences?
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Absolutely.
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And what I love about them is they do, they do a couple of Zoom meetings, you know, through
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the month, very interesting topics.
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You could pick and choose what you want to listen to, you know, enter the Zoom as you
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please.
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If a topic actually interests you, they hold annual meetings.
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They do a lot of nice things.
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I happen to know quite a few of the people that run them and they're just incredible
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souls.
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Some of them themselves have had NDE experiences.
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So you actually literally find the community that you fit in, that everyone understands.
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Everyone is looking for answers, is interested or has experienced, you know, something in
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regards to an NDE.
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So you're in a huge community of people that are very like-minded with experience.
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And that's actually, it's an amazing support system.
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Yeah, I wanted to interject just one other thing on this topic, and that is that not
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everybody remembers their experience immediately, especially if there's, you know, brain trauma
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or, you know, who knows what kinds of other physical traumas have happened.
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And that's okay.
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It doesn't mean that it's less real just because it took them three days or three weeks or
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three years or whatever for these memories to flood back.
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It doesn't matter because whatever it, whatever impact it has is your experience.
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There is no right or wrong.
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With my experience, I'll elaborate a little bit here, Eric, especially to the point where
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I got freaked out for the first time, literally scared for the first time.
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And it was actually when my 24-year-old son came home from the NICU.
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He was in the NICU, the neonatal intensive care unit, because I had to have him by live
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C-section of five months.
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I couldn't carry him for nine months.
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And it's so hard when I talk about my kids because they went through a lot, but they're
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amazing.
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But when he came home, you know, I breastfed all my kids.
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And I literally kept their bassinets right next to my bed because it's so dangerous to
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sleep with a baby in your bed.
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And I remember the first day that my son came home, I had just finished breastfeeding him
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and I put him in the bassinet.
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He had fallen asleep and I had laid down.
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This was late at night.
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All of a sudden, the way my room was, my bed was positioned in my room, my bed was literally
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facing the door of the bedroom.
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And I remember I laid down, then all of a sudden I saw a silhouette of a man in a black suit
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with one of those big top hats.
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He would not show me his face at all, Eric, for the life of me.
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But I knew all he wanted to do was come next to my son's side and look at him.
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But I didn't know who he was.
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I didn't even know what was going on.
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I just knew I'm looking at something that is not a human being, a soul.
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I remember saying, you need to leave, get away.
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I could feel how aggressively he just wanted to look at the baby.
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And I asked for him to leave and all.
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And I didn't know who he was.
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And he literally was saying to me, not by words, but he was literally telling me that
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if you look at my feet, you'll know who I am, exactly who I am.
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Well, I did look, Eric, and I didn't know who it was.
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So again, I asked to leave, and he was respectful and ended up leaving.
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Well, mind you, I was freaked out that whole night that the next morning I called my mom
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and I asked, is there anyone in the family?
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I mean, the shoes that he was showing me were so weird, Eric.
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They were literally shoes without the front part of the shoe on both feet.
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So I was asking my mom, is there anyone in the family that I don't know about that might
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have something like this?
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My mom didn't know anyone.
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I called my dad.
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I spoke to family and stuff nobody knew.
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Well, that afternoon when my husband came home, he could see I was crying and I was very distraught.
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And he had asked me what was going on.
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And I told him, I said to him, please come sit down.
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I want to tell you what happened here because it literally scared me half to death.
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So he did sit down with me and I explained to him what I saw and everything.
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And then I told him, I said, but honey, he wanted me to look at his feet.
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He said, just by his feet, I would know who it was.
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And I can't figure it out.
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I spoke to family and everything.
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I can't figure out who's what his feet look like.
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And I told him, I said, it was a pair of shoes with no front end on both of them.
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And he looked at me and he goes, do you know who that is?
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And I said, no, I wouldn't be like this if I did.
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I don't know who it is.
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He said, that's my grandfather, David.
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And I said, well, how do you know for sure?
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And he said, because he had gangrene on all his toes from some infection, they had to
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remove his toes and make custom shoes for him.
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Now that was his grandfather, David.
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My husband lost his mother when he was six years old.
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So I never really met any of his family or knew anything about anyone.
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But the interesting part here is my son's name is David.
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So his grandfather, great grandfather, David wanted to come see David.
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But at the time I didn't know.
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Yeah.
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So you told him to leave and he was there for a good reason, not a scary reason.
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Exactly.
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But the beauty of it was he came back quite a few other times and he actually really helped
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me with quite a bit of things.
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And that was when, at that point, Eric was when I went to the spiritual leader leaders
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and said, listen, I need help.
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I don't understand what's going on here.
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And that's when they explained to me because you never shut the door when you came back.
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They can come in and out as freely.
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But if you're scared, you can always shut that door.
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Well, I didn't feel scared anymore.
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It was actually a blessing because it's helped with a lot of things too.
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Yeah.
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Well, we're nearly out of time.
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If you don't mind, I want to jump backwards just a little bit.
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We talked about a life review for a second.
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Do you remember any of the things that happened in that life review?
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I do.
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I'm a very family oriented person, even like my best of best of friends.
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I've had them since I was like 12 years old, if not even before until today.
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So I'm a very loyal, committed family, good friend type of person.
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I've always been that way.
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And it's interesting you asked that question because in my life review, not only did it
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go through everything that I did, but it also presented everybody that was really important
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to me.
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Did you see any, I mean, was this all good stuff?
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Were there things you felt guilty about?
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Tell me, what was the point of it, I guess?
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My experience was actually really good.
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00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,640
My life review was really good.
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00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:35,520
I didn't have anything like negative or felt remorse for anything, but I'm more of a, I'll
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give more than I can ever take.
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So I think it lined up with my value system and things like that.
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I didn't have a negative life review.
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00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:52,240
It was just interesting how it literally felt like it was in a couple seconds, but it was
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so much.
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And most of them are very positive.
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Or if there was something negative that they see from their life, it's not presented in
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00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,880
a horribly guilty way.
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00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,880
It's just a, hey, look, and let's learn from this.
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I'm glad yours was all positive.
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00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:15,400
And you know, Eric, I will say this to you also, as quickly as that happened, even when
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I landed in heaven, because I like to call it heaven, it was very beautiful and peaceful
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00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,720
that way you would think heaven should be.
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And it was.
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I will tell you that even during the time that was there, I had received such a download
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of so much information that even that seemed to happen so quick.
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But when people asked me about it, I would literally probably have to write, you know,
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two books or something to put all that down.
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All right.
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Leave us with a good message here.
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What did you learn that you can pass on to everybody?
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Very firmly, very firmly, always love as much as you can.
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Please give as much love as you can.
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00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,320
Don't ever judge anyone.
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That's not what you're here for.
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I love brief and precise.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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I mean, to love, to care, and to never judge.
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And most importantly, be understanding.
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Even if it's hard for you to understand, be understanding.
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All right.
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Daniela Gordon, thanks a lot for being with us today.
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It's my pleasure.
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00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Thank you, Eric.
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