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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
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physical body because I was somewhere else.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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We are happy to have with us on roundtrip death today, Peter Fanel.
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Good morning, Peter.
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Good morning, how are you doing, Eric?
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I'm great, how are you?
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Doing well, doing very well.
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Remind me, where do you live?
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I'm right outside of Tampa, Florida.
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OK, well, that's a beautiful part of the world.
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Hey, before we get started in your near death experience, which is what we're here for,
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our audience wants to get to know Peter just a little bit.
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Who are you?
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What are you about?
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I am your average Joe.
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I worked construction.
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I did a short tour in the military years ago.
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I drank, I partied, I did competition barbecue.
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I've had failed marriages.
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I've just an average guy.
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You were talking past tense on some of these things.
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Is that because you've put that life behind you and you're a different person now?
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Since my near death experience, that that person seems to be the one who died in the hospital.
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And this new person who's come out, I'm still kind of discovering.
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Well, let's get back there.
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How long ago was this that you were in the hospital and what was it for?
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It was all of July and most of August of 2021.
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It was seven and a half weeks.
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I went in for what was supposed to be a routine colon resection.
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They found a polyp that couldn't be removed in the colonoscopy and they suggested surgery.
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So I went for it and it failed.
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It almost killed me.
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So what happened?
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I mean, did the doctor just forget?
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Did he nick something?
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Did he or she forget to close it upright or what happened?
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Well, the reconnection, once they do the colon resection, the reconnection is called anasmosis.
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That portion failed.
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The reconnection failed.
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For three days, I was in the hospital doing normal recovery and he failed to recognize
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it even though the nurses did.
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And he discharged me on the third day with a leaking colon.
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And how were you feeling?
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Did you know you weren't getting better?
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I didn't, but I kind of, you know, I just thought it was surgical stuff, but my friends,
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families and the nurses all recognized something was going wrong.
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You know, the first day I was begging for food.
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I was ready to eat again.
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And the second day about midday, that fell off.
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I didn't want anything to do with food.
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And by the third day, I was delusional.
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I was seeing Hollywood movie stars walking through the hallways and I'm not, I'm not
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a starhound.
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I'm not one of those people.
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Never was.
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That sounds crazy that they would send you home at that point.
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That's one of the failures of the medical system.
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Dr. Fortuni did not want to admit any type of incompetence, failures, whatever you want
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to call it.
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His ego would not allow that to happen.
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So even though nurses told him I needed a belly scan before I left, they didn't do it.
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And I'm guessing that speaking of medical system, that on this kind of routine surgery,
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the insurance company says, Oh, three days in the hospital, time to go home.
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Pretty much.
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And some, there's some kind of a payment system in there that the doctors, I don't know what
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it is.
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I don't know.
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I don't want to know what it is because it's grotesque.
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It almost killed me.
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But it forces the doctors in the hospitals to get you out or there's some type of a,
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I don't know if it's like a ding against their record or they don't get paid beyond
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that or whatever it is.
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All right.
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Well, let's move ahead.
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So you get home.
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Do you start getting better?
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Do you get worse?
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I was getting worse every day.
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I came home.
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I don't remember the majority of my four days at home.
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The leaking colon just kept leaking and my girlfriend called the doctor's office every
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day and every day they told her it was, I was being lazy.
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I was being a baby.
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I wasn't getting up and moving around enough.
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It was trapped air.
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It was every excuse they could possibly give and it was all over the phone.
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There was no examination.
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It was all advice over the medical advice over the phone.
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And by the fourth day, I mean, I was crawling.
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I couldn't walk.
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I was crawling and I went in to use the bathroom and I vomited feces.
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I was on the toilet and I leaned over into the bathtub and my system turned into a reverse
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and I vomited feces.
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At that point, I got my girlfriend out of bed and I said, it's time to go to the hospital.
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I'm dying.
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Yeah, you are really sick at that point.
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Okay.
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So you get back to the hospital and then what happens?
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We go into the emergency room.
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Dr. Fratini was doing surgeries again that day and he took me in and completely opened
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my belly.
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And when he opened my belly, he cut my duodenum.
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So it created internal bleeding inside of all this sepsis.
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I heard the colon resected more of my small intestine, my large intestine.
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So I'm pretty much without an ascending colon at this point.
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Then he closed me back up and I put me back in the room.
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And again, on the third day, he was trying to discharge me.
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One of the nurses came into the room and said that he was going to kill me, that my girlfriend
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needed to go get help.
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She went and got an administrator and within 15 minutes of him trying to discharge me,
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I'm being wheeled into the intensive care unit where they're installing a drain on my
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side and they had drained me of six and a half liters of septic fluid.
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VCs, when they cut me open, it sprayed all over the floor.
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So I'm sure I had more inside of me than the six and a half they caught.
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And this man was just trying to discharge me 15 minutes earlier.
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Wow.
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That's unbelievable.
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But we're not here to slam on the medical system.
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Let's talk about your near death experience.
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Does this happen while you're in the ICU?
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Yes, it did.
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Yes, it did.
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Most of my time in the ICU, the first several days, I don't have a recollection of.
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It was during the height of COVID and it was another spike that happened in the summer
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of 2021.
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So the ICU started filling up again.
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And I went from what I guess was a regular room where they could isolate me to a curtain
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room right outside the nurses station.
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They were isolating all the COVID patients in the regular rooms because they could close
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the doors, seal them up.
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While I'm sitting outside of the nurses station in this, what I thought was a hallway, it
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was a curtain room, is when my near death experience happened.
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All right.
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I want every detail of it.
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What happened first?
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I was laying there in the bed and I was hallucinating, whether it was the sepsis, the fever, the
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medication, I'm not certain, but I mean, I was, I was laying there and the ICU turned
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into what I call a steampunk construction site.
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For those that don't know the term steampunk, describe that a little bit more.
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It was heavy copper and brass tubing.
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It was ornate.
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It was gothic.
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It was strange.
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It was very, very strange.
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And I got to the point where I mistook one of the nurses for a welder.
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And I told another nurse, hey, your boyfriend can get a better job.
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He's a great welder, you know, it's, there was, the hallucinations were intense.
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But beyond that, when the nurses station was in this state of steampunk construction, everything
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got really, really dark.
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There was a doorway behind the nurses station and it was black.
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And I felt myself leave my body and I got into this doorway and I could feel that I
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could sense the hospital behind me, the lights, the commotion, the people.
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And I just stepped through this doorway into the darkness.
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And I was standing on top of a stone wall, like a castle wall.
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And I proceeded out and there was a being there.
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I don't know who it was or what it was, whether it was my mother, my father, you know, a guardian
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angel, I have no concept of that.
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We were staring over this dark monotone sepia type of area.
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The only thing I can imagine it was was purgatory.
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It wasn't hell.
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It wasn't life.
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It was the absence of life.
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Now, let me, let me just interject here.
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You were having hallucinations.
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How do you know this wasn't just one of those?
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I don't.
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That's why this, this is a near death experience.
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I know that my fevers were 105, 106.
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I was diagnosed with E. Coli sepsis and acute septic shock.
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Nobody expected me to survive this.
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Nobody not even, not even the physicians expected me to survive this.
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And when I did, they got scared.
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So this is, this is truly a near death experience.
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I don't say I crossed over into something and I got downloaded with information that
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I shouldn't have.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So you're back in this, what you describe as a purgatory kind of place.
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What's going on there?
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What do you see?
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What's happening?
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I feel everybody's pain.
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There's a lot of souls there that are racing about some are, some are having fun, being
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malicious.
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Some are in pain.
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They're crying out.
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They're suffering.
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The sense that I got from that was suicides, some drug addictions, people that are addicted
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to this existence, whether it be sex, whether it be drugs, whether it be alcohol or just
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being a malicious person.
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If they're addicted to that, they're held in this area until they can get recycled.
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It's like a big recycling process center for souls.
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It was, it was intense.
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It was intense.
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Beyond that, beyond this area, I could see a light, you know, and I wouldn't call it
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heaven and harp and angels and all of that, but I got a glimpse into it.
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And what I saw was a functioning, clean, happy existence, a society that didn't have the
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pain and anguish that we have here.
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So were you able to go to that light and see more or did you just have the perception
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of what was happening there?
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The perception of what was happening.
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I wasn't, I wasn't allowed to go there.
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I took this being, all right, my father, I'm a survivor of suicide.
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My father chose to end his life when I was 11 years old.
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And at that time, you know, it kind of instilled in me an exit option.
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You know, my father could do this.
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I could do this.
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If life got too tough, I could opt out.
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You know, it made it an option.
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And I took my time in purgatory as a warning because, you know, with that option, I've
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attempted it a couple of times in my life when things got rough and I'm still here.
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And had I not had the warning of purgatory and the information download that I did receive,
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I might have not, I might not be here now.
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Because the last two years of my life have been excruciating.
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So was there anything else that you saw there?
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Did the beam communicate anything to you?
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What that information download to all right, well, like, but the guy I was before was a
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drinker and a smoker.
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I mean, I was a heavy drinker.
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I drank 12 pack a day, five, six days a week, you know, I'd smoke three packs of cigarettes.
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I had an onion allergy.
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You know, I did the barbecue circuit.
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I, I was basically what most people would call a redneck.
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That was all taken away from me.
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That was removed from my system.
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And the warning was put into my mind of this is where you're going to end up if it doesn't
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change.
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And it's not even an addiction that was removed from me.
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It was just the whole system, the social interactions that I had with that some of the friends that
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I had during that time, that person died in the hospital and this person emerged.
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Do you remember coming back into your body?
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I do.
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I do.
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I believe us at the time I was tearing, I think I was tearing out my IVs.
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I was doing a grand wall seizure freaking out.
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One of the nurses was the one who tied me down when she did tie me down.
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She was praying over me, but she wasn't praying over me for me to gain peace or be healthy.
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She was praying that she had the strength not to deal to deal with me to, you know, it
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was a malicious prayer.
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And I sensed that I witnessed that coming back in.
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I told this woman, I will cut your ugly effing head off, put it on a stake and post it outside
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of my house so everybody can see what it be you are.
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I attacked her.
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I attacked her religion because the way she was using it.
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that brought me peace.
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But this woman, I could sense her malice.
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What is a malicious prayer?
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It was a prayer of vengeance.
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It wasn't a prayer of peace.
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It wasn't a prayer of healing.
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It was, Lord, calm this guy down before I have to do so.
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It was that type of a thing.
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It was anger.
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And selfishness, it sounds like.
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Yes.
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More worried about herself.
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So you've been through a lot of dark things and it makes me wonder if, um, if maybe that's
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why your experience on the other side was sort of a dark one, that's something you can
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relate to in your life.
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And it knew, you know, it was for a good thing, right?
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It helped you make some good changes in your life.
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Absolutely.
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But it had to be a dark place to do it.
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I accept the warning for what it is.
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I know who I was and I still figured out who I'm going to be.
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So was there anything else in that warning that you can remember?
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Uh, not, not so much.
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I think that, I mean, that pretty much altered my life 180 degrees.
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The drinking, I haven't had a beer in two years.
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I haven't had a cigarette in two years.
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I have no desire to be a part of that life anymore.
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I still have friends from that life and those are true friends, but the acquaintances and
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the associates and the fights and the drama, I'm good not having anymore.
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My onion allergy was removed from me.
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And that's, I take that as like the final sign, like, okay, this is real.
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This isn't just the medical condition and fear dictating, but I broke out into hives
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when I ate onions, like from head to toe for hours and it was excruciating.
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I can eat all the onion I want now.
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And it's the strangest thing being back on this side with all of that being removed from
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my world.
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So we've heard about some of the physical changes that you went through.
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Well, much more than physical when we're talking, quitting smoking, quitting drinking, but
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that had effects on your physical body.
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Was that really difficult to deal with?
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I'm going to call it withdrawal symptoms or was it because you were in the hospital and
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dealing with all these other things anyway?
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It was just sort of a fresh rebirth when you got home.
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It was more of a fresh rebirth.
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I mean, even when I was drinking and smoking like that, I could go two or three days without
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beer.
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I mean, and I would intentionally do that.
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I'd say, no, I'm taking, I'm taking two days off, you know, just, just to give my system
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a break.
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And I never had DTs, I never had the vomiting or, you know, the physical symptoms of withdrawal.
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I would get anxiety.
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Like if I knew I was going out drinking and I wasn't going to the bar by five o'clock,
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I would get anxious, you know, that was, okay, we're going drinking, let's go do this.
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But if I wasn't, I could handle it.
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So I never had the detox stuff.
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It was just a rebirth.
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Like you said, a rebirth and trying to figure, trying to walk, learn how to walk again, you
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know?
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Yeah.
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How did you interpret all of this?
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Did it take some time to go, oh, wow, my experience means XYZ.
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And I'm going to change my life purposely because of these things.
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Or was it much more of a natural, hey, that happened.
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Now this is happening.
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No, it was hard.
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When I came out of the hospital at the end of August, I had to learn how to eat again.
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I couldn't process whole meats.
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Being a barbecue guy, that was traumatic.
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You know, I've been dealing with PTSD.
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For a year and a half, I sat in my office every morning and cried for absolutely no reason.
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The tears and the pain, the anxiety of it all, I would just cry.
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At some point during that year and a half, I was investigating therapies, different types
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of therapies.
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And a lot of people suggested to me ketamine therapy.
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Okay, I understand that.
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But with my situation, any type of a clinical environment just enraged me.
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I mean, I couldn't talk to my insurance company on the phone when they call to solicit a new
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plan.
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I'd cuss those people out and then apologize and say, look, it's not you.
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You're just an employee of this corporation who destroyed my life.
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You know, I want your bosses to hear this.
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I want the doctors to know this.
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You know, and the people on the phone were generally kind about it.
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And I tried to make it as nice as possible.
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But PTSD is real, even if it's medically induced.
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So these things were triggers that set off that trauma.
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Oh, big time.
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Big time.
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So how did you get through that?
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What did you do?
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I finally landed on a therapy for ayahuasca.
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And I went and I was called.
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I found this place.
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It was Solterra in Terrapoto, Peru.
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And as soon as I saw it, I knew this is where I had it.
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I had to go.
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This was my calling.
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And at the time, it was the beginning of 2023, January.
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There was a lot of civil unrest in Peru.
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So I decided against that location and I opted for another one in Costa Rica, Playa Blanca.
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And it was the calling is real.
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You know, I felt it.
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I'm not saying this is what's going to work for everybody else.
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I'm not saying that this is the cure all magic button to fix it because it's not.
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It's a tool in an arsenal that you can utilize to rebuild your life.
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And it worked for me.
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And I did the Playa Blanca location and I got the head start on it that I needed.
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That was in May of 2023.
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And in the beginning of June of 2023, I got a notice that Terrapoto had openings.
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And I finally answered the calling to that location.
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I got the healing that I needed.
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I got the start in Costa Rica and I got the completion for now in Peru.
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So this is extremely new because we're recording this the end of June of 2023.
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So you just barely went through all this and the results are really good so far.
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And we're not here to take any kind of deep dive on ayahuasca or ketamine or anything else.
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But I'm glad you found something that helped you.
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That's what matters.
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Oh, yeah.
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And like I said, I mean, the PTSD is real.
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It's how people experience it or where they get their trauma from is going to lead them
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in a direction.
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Whether it be turns that they turn to God and the church bless them.
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That's what works for them.
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If they turn to psychotherapy, God bless them.
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That's what works for them.
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But my calling was to this medication in the ancient ways and it worked for me.
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Hey, tell us about the new Peter.
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You mentioned things you gave up.
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What have you adopted?
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What's the new you?
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Healthy eating habits.
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I haven't had pork in probably a year.
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You know, whole red meat.
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I just had a little bit the other day and it's okay.
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But for the most part, I'm basically a pescatarian.
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I, I just started eating poultry again.
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But for the last, I don't know, eight months, 10 months, it's been all fish, vegetables,
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fruit, smoothies, a garden.
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I had, I have 50 orchids that I take care of.
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I meditate.
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You know, the red neck ism is gone.
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And we're not slamming on red necks.
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No, not at all.
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We're not saying that's a bad life lifestyle.
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We love our red neck listeners out there.
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But for you, you needed to take a different step, a different direction.
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Right.
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Okay.
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And we're not slamming on barbecue either.
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Cause I mean, I still know how to barbecue.
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I still know how to build things.
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I still know how to survive off the land.
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If I have to, I was, I was in the military.
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You know, I, that's always going to be part of who I am because how I was brought up,
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but the negative portions of it, the toxic masculinity, the, the fighting, the rage, the
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alcoholism, the misogyny, all that's been removed from me.
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I have found in doing these interviews that quite a few people that have NDEs, their relationships
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change a lot.
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They get divorced or the girlfriend or boyfriend that they had in their life.
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That changes a lot of people even change jobs.
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Have you had some of those kinds of things happen?
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Um, I've lost some friendships.
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Um, my girlfriend is still with me.
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She's been very, very tolerant.
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Thank you, Heather.
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She sounds like an angel, by the way, saving your life many times.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I mean, I, during my PTSD, I, I would fly off the handle for absolutely no reason.
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And even during those episodes, I knew it was wrong, but I couldn't control it.
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And she, she got me through it.
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She's still here with me.
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So did you have a belief in God prior to, and how has that changed?
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I'm more of a spiritualist.
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I've had my bouts with religion and the people who portray themselves as leaders in
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religion.
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So my life pulled me out of that.
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I, you know, I was brought up Christian.
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I still have those core beliefs in my life, but I've been more of a agnostic for the last
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many years of my life.
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It's, and I'm still that way.
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Very spiritual, very ground, very grounded now, but not so ceremonial about it.
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I love to ask people.
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How much fear of death did you have prior to this and how much fear of death do you
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have now?
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The fear of death before.
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Yeah.
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I mean, everybody has that.
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It's the unknown.
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It's the, the great beyond.
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And it's human nature.
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It's okay.
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Right.
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Now, not so much.
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I have a good sense of what, what's going to happen to me.
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I want to live for the first time in two years.
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I want to live, you know, I'm, I want to leave a mark on this world that's positive instead
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of what I was before.
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How are you going to do that?
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I'm doing these podcasts, sharing my stories, keeping people away from Dr. Fortuni.
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Unfortunately, that man has a higher body count than most U S soldiers.
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It's true, but it is what it is.
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And I know that I've saved people's lives already with some of the stories that I've
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told the reviews that I've left.
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I've taken people out of his office and put them into a better situation.
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I know that for a fact.
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They've commented on, told me this.
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So that makes me feel good helping people through their ayahuasca journeys.
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I've had a couple of people that I've been in contact and they contacted me because
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oh, I'm going to do this.
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What was your experience?
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Well, my experience was my personal experience.
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You're going to have to deal with this on your own, but I'm here to talk you through
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it if you need it.
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You know, and I've lent support to people in that manner.
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It just, it changed my outlook to a more positive and I'm really enjoying it.
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So before we wrap up, let's expound on that just a little bit.
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Here's somebody out there listening that's having a really rotten day and you said that
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you used to feel like, ah, things got really tough.
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I could always take my life and that was an option.
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What's your message to someone that may be experiencing something really difficult today?
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Don't give up.
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There's hope.
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You know, you can't make a permanent solution for a temporary problem.
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Whatever you're going through will pass and there is help for what you're feeling no matter
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what it is.
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Peter, thank you very much.
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You and I are going to talk some barbecue after we're done recording here like we did
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the other day.
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Absolutely.
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But that's for somebody else's show.
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So I'm not going to bore our listeners with that.
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But anyway, thanks a ton, Peter, for being on.
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I appreciate you.
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I appreciate you, Eric.
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