#333 - Sal Has Three NDE's And Meets The Grim Reaper

0:00 I had intense fear and panic because we were obviously crashing. Out of my heart came the thought, oh god help, I'm going to die. From the time that they pronounced me dead was a good 45 minutes. It's determined that I was not breathing for 20 minutes. They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realise that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else. By which you went to the past far, in the afternoon, by half past seven I was dead, clinically dead, four minutes. And they were crying because I was dead and I was trying to tell them no, I'm not dead, I'm just fine, I'm okay.

0:45 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful, soothing, loving energy. I'm back with God again. I just felt this all in my two breath of these, like, wow, I'm back. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. I'd come back home. It was a very strong feeling that I've come back home. The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't anything else to be felt. And light is literally emitting from him. And I could feel that that tremendous amount of love was coming through him as well. They were brighter than everybody else. And I just knew who they were.

1:34 Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. We have with us today. This is going to be fun today. Sal Adatsi, I hope I pronounced that correctly. Did I, Sal? Yes, it is. Hi, Eric. Thank you for inviting me. And yes, you did. You're welcome. And Sal is from Portugal, now living in Florida. And I think you have about the funnest job in the world. Tell everybody what you do. I work as a, I don't call it work because, well, because it called me and it's a pleasure. I am a professional sailor and a yacht captain. That's my job. Take boats, sailboats across wherever they need to be sailed to. And in between breaks, I run yachts for other people, for wealthy people.

2:22 Not a bad gig. I imagine you get to eat the same food and some of those kind of things along the way too and see a lot of beautiful places. Yes, I do. I do. I do go to incredible places and the food is remarkable. And sometimes it's not. So there's always that balance of life. There's incredible stuff, but there's also moments of shocking realities. But that's a beauty. That's what we're here for. Yeah. It's adventure. Do you do any racing, by the way? I've been an America's Cup fan for years and years and years.

3:04 I do. I do some racing from 50 footers to the largest yacht we raced was 200 and something like that. 200 feet, yeah. It was actually a classic skano wooden rig, classic style and with the Dracer art and it's incredible. Well, I'd love to talk sailing with you all day, but that's for somebody else's podcast. We have people here that want to hear about near-death experiences. Yours is cool and scary and has some interesting things to it. Remind me, you had a heart attack when you were 27 years old? Correct. Tell us about that. Were you healthy? Was this just out of the blue? What happened?

3:50 I was healthy. Well, I wasn't apparently, but that's... Well, you look healthy right now. So how were you back then? I am, man. So I had long story short, I had a background. I think since I was 14, I started with drug usage and then until I was 23, 24, yeah, 24, when it was the end of it was a disaster obviously. It's all drug dependency and that was nine to 10 years there. I don't see it as a problem or as a disaster anymore, but it was what it was. But then I did get into rehab and I was clean and sober by 21, I was 24. So when I had the heart attack at 27, it was totally unexpected because I was clean and sober, I was healthy, I was doing... I was healthy physically, I was doing all the right steps. You know, you have the 12 step program and we do service to a community and do a lot of healthy lifestyle. But three weeks prior to my heart attack, I got into a deep depression and it was at some point it reached such a depth of depression that I desired to die. I wished to die really with everything that I had. I threw the towel and I said, I'd rather die than be here like this.

5:16 And three weeks later, I found myself having a heart attack. Where were you when it happened? Were you on a boat? Where were you? I didn't know how I was at home in the countryside back in Portugal and at the time I had a dirt bike. I used to get together with my cousins and my friends and on the weekends that we play around with dirt bikes, you know, just boys being boys, just burning some gas and using motorcycles, playing with engines. And I just felt bad. I felt weird and I told them, I'm going to go. And I left them. I went to put the motorcycle in the garage and by the time I got to the garage, put the motorcycle in, I just fell straight on the floor. I was the most powerless situation I've ever had of having no control over the body and literally falling like a tree just fell. And I was by myself.

6:10 So then what happened? Did people find you and then call an ambulance? Take us through kind of the physical stuff and then let's talk about what happened to you spiritually. So on the physical, because the heart stopped pumping blood, obviously the whole body shuts down. There's no, there's no fuel. So the body stops. That's why I fell. But the first one, when before I fell down was the excruciating pain that it's not to a heart attack. So my chest just goes like being ripped with two big knives. It's just weirdest pain I've ever had. Very, very strong pain. But this is what I'm standing at. But by the time I hit the floor and I fell with my face, I fell with my nose and my face on the floor, I didn't feel it already. So this was, it's such a switch off physically that I hit my nose and didn't hurt me and I was on the floor and I couldn't breathe. I was really trying to get some air and I couldn't, but I still had some something in me and I was getting some gasps. So I managed to get up again and I'm thinking, whoa, this, I got dizzy or I fainted or something, but I couldn't still breathe in the pain or see which excruciating. So I fall again and I'm still trying to get little bits of air and getting up and falling. And to the point that I fall on my back and I have no more air, the pain is excruciating.

7:42 And that's when I realized I had something serious. I realized I was not just fainting or not just having some indigestion. That's when I couldn't move. Yeah. Who found you? No one. No one. So how did you get help? That's where the fun begins. Okay. Take us through it. Because this was the entrance of the garage and I'm on the floor and I couldn't get more air in and it's just like I start fainting. I start realizing that that's when I'm starting realizing I have something serious. And at this moment, actually my cousins, my friends, they passed through like 50 yards away with their motorcycles going home. They passed through the garage, but they didn't see me on the floor and I was there and I wanted to raise a hand, raise a finger, shout, move my head. Something. I was giving the conscious commands to the body. I looked, goes for help, do something. But my body was always replying it all. The body was having none of it. It's loving. You could think whatever you want, but not moving. The body was steady. I couldn't even move my eyes. I was, and that's when I realized, okay, this must be serious and that must be dying because there's no other explanation. I must be dying.

8:59 Yeah, this is where the spiritual part starts. Okay, go ahead and tell us about that. The pain being so intense, the body not responding. And my consciousness, my saying this voice, the voice that you have in your head, your own voice still being clear and active as it is now. You start understanding that you start self, it's a self-dependence. So I was just, I started separating from the physical body. I was like, wait a minute, I'm conscious. I'm aware just the body that it's not good. And first before this, I remember crying. When they left, they passed me. They didn't see me and I thought, okay, I'm dying. I'm done. They were the only option of somebody to see me. Nobody else is going to come here.

9:44 I'm done. And I realized I was dying, but I thought I was dying. And I remember just what I feel like now. It was the last movement of my body as its last breath of life was a teardrop leaving my body because there was nothing else. And I accept it. And that's when I start separating from it and realizing that it doesn't hurt anymore. At this stage, I was in an intermediate place. I was still holding to the physical life, but I was trying to get away from the pain, I'm dissociating from my body. And this is when I start noticing around me that the sand, that the concrete, the trees, the wind, I could see the air between myself and the walls, myself and the trees. What we see as empty space, I see this as not empty space. You can see everything as current. You can see the life on the tree.

10:40 You can see, it's like you have an x-ray. You can see that everything is alive. Everything. I realize, oh, this doesn't hurt. And it seems like it's not the end. So I slowly, slowly, but very fastly start accepting and letting go. And as soon as I feel no pain and I started feeling into the blissful states that we are, I start moving away from the body. And I see the body flat on the floor. I see the trees and the sand of the world. And I start seeing the planet getting smaller, alive, but smaller and me going. And then I just change direction. I'm thinking and thought and conscious. It's like, okay, so what's next? This doesn't hurt.

11:22 This feels great. This doesn't hurt. What's next? And I go into this black space, feeling amazing, still feeling the best feeling I could ever describe. And I see the light at the end of the tunnel, the traditional light at the end of the tunnel. And as I see the light, I'm immediately attracted to it. And I go through it, go to it, which, which feels like a tunnel, but it's not really, it was, no, it's an empty space with a light that's just the speed of going. And then starting to be curious and excited and happy because I feel amazing. And I see that there's something else. So all these emotions in these thoughts come very, very fast and very real, very aware and very obvious. I disconnected from my body already. I didn't care about my body on the floor of the garage anymore. I'm just like, Oh, and that's when I get to the other side of the dead light was this, this signature, this is the light signature, though powerful and so beautiful. And so the feeling is indescribable.

12:22 It's, it's your love life. It's what I call it. And I'm faced with it. And we're there and I'm feeling amazing. And it's, what are you seeing while you're feeling all this? It's, it's, it's ghost progressive. So with all of this now comes a lot of learning of how, how my experience was. But as I start having questions and answers, you start taking conclusions and you start realizing how to communicate. So in the beginning, I saw nothing. I just saw this light. And then through my educational as a Catholic person, even I stopped going to church where I started being so devoted to it when I was to kill the teenager or teen or something, those things are there and I was raised as a Catholic. So my first thought was, Oh, Christmassy God. So when I take that conclusion, it shapes a kind of old beard, white hair, man with a long white robe stuff. So that light starts gaining shapes.

13:29 And then I realize I must, so this must be heaven. And I start seeing energetic clouds, not, not the traditional clouds, but we were above this field of waves and currents and colors. And as I start making assumptions, they start getting shape, depending on my assumptions. So that starts forming. And then I start seeing what I now understand that it was other souls floating around just a clear image that we were on the other side. So basically that was what I started seeing. So the images of what I see are progressive to the mind, the conclusions. Yeah, just for our listeners, I want to explain something.

14:13 And that is that you're using your hands very much almost like charades at the same time that you're explaining. It must be hard to find all the words to explain all of this. It is. So anyway, so I just wanted to explain that to our listeners that I wish you could see because Sal's hands are doing all these things and I don't really know how to explain it. But I think the impression that I'm getting is the experience was overwhelming enough. You're at somewhat of a loss for words. Yeah. And that's why your, your hands are trying to help you put it together. So anyway, gather all the adjectives you know, and let's keep, let's keep going through it.

14:57 So you're starting to see things. And you think that a lot of the things that you're seeing are based on your background, your religious background and things. Yes. Why do you think that is? Because you have the clear understanding of how powerful your mind is and how it creates. You start understanding immediately how your thoughts dictate whatever you experience. You see it happening. And there's no other way to describe it. So you see how your, your thinking still up there, still in a non-physical state, still dictates your experience. And that was one of the best lessons that I brought back with me to really understand how powerful our thoughts are because of their, that that's what's happening because all the questions that I had, and I start putting them up, they started being answered. Can you give us an idea of what some of those questions were? First question, why am I going through this? And the immediate answer because that's what you asked for. And the, when the answer comes, doesn't come just as a block of information, comes with image and, and moments like it, it proves, it gives me a clip of the moment that I desired for it. Like we travel back three weeks. And it was like, because here you chose this with all this power and emotion and direction and focus. And then, oh, and what got me through it. And then this got you to that, that situation that they took you to make that decision.

16:27 And again, the same goes like a map back, backtracing why everything goes because my questions were mostly focused on why and how and what for. And as I asked questions, that's when we jumped to their life review, which we went to the beginning of, which is also very obvious and immediate understanding that, because it's very clear, they were with the information, basically, okay, so this time around, putting it very, very obviously. And also you feel it when I say that this, you should have mentioned this before. When you're up there, when you're reaching and get faced with this, with this bright night, it's like, it's like I got reunited with the rest of me with my other selves, with my whole self. It's like, it's like the me here on the planet puts just a very small fraction of my real self, fulfilling your fullness and, and blissful and and ecstasy. That comes, that feeling comes with rejoining with what I knew, which was the rest of me, the whole of me, that I'm just a part, the part of me that it's here on the planet. All of those things become obvious and very clear. Then it starts from the beginning, that's where it goes to, okay, so this time around, when you chose to go by go meaning sending a little part of you, like dipping your toes in the planet earth, this time to see how the world appears. And that's what we did. That's what you did because it's what you wanted. You wanted to go as yourself this time

17:58 around to experience this. So that's all very obvious and very clear. Because there's no, there's no doubts. It's all part of the informational scabble. And it goes to, okay, so this time around, it goes from the moment when I was born, this time physically born. Okay, so, so we're jumping into the life review here. Some people have told me that they their life review was almost like going to a movie theater. And they were watching it on a big screen or even a stadium and they were watching it on thousands of screens. Seems like everything that's happening to you so far is just all these images and thoughts being put into your head. So was the life review like watching a movie or was it more delivered straight to your conscience somehow? Or how did that? How would you describe that?

18:46 From this moment where when I've asked a few questions and and the answer were given and that was this this feedback going on this clarification going on. From the moment we jump to the life review of this of this time around, it goes on to a movie. It goes on to a screen. It's like you see on these movies where the screen is just a glass, a transparent glass that it's there between us. And the movie just shows up in this screen in between us. So it's like this, I call it an entity, this this source of light, this energy source on the other side. And I'm here and this in this screen just comes between us and it is like a movie. This one is like going to the movies, but it's like a it's like a transparent transparent glass screen between us and the movie and we're both watching the movies. I'm watching from here, he's watching from there. And the movie starts like a movie theater. Yes. Yeah, what kinds of things did you see all of your life or certain important events or?

19:47 We went from the beginning of my life and it was interesting because it was not just a movie as pictures. It was like we had the movie and then we had that time and space moved by social behavior, social worries, all the ingredients that make decisions happen, they are present. It's like it's like it's not just a movie by itself was very, very complete with how people are thinking, what you why you can feel the essence of why people are making decisions like that and what's going on in the black, what's what's the time concern of that age. So it was very complete.

20:28 And the movie goes fast until I had the question until I had the questions. When I had the questions like, oh, wait a minute, either I don't remember that though, what was that? Why was that so? Where was that so marking or so important to me at that search that we would make a pause? The movie would pause and we would have an explanation. Kind of because this is coming from the sides, there's a pressure or there's an intention or an emotion coming from the end. There's another emotion, there was another intention coming from the sides. This causes this emotion and causes you to decide like this. So you took that action and we decided for that the episode would get sorted and explained and resolved. I would make it would make sense to me. It was very beneficial because I could see that previously when I was a teenager or when I was in drugs or when I was angry or whatever, when I was getting taking rash decisions, the blaming of others completely disappears. The forgiveness is immediate, the forgiveness because it's very clear that everybody's acting out of love and out of their best knowledge and out of their best interest.

21:40 So I could see that there was no one to blame on any episode. It made sense why I made that choice. It made sense why the other person made that choice. All the episodes I had doubts were related to human relations, right? Because it's what usually causes more conflict. It's human relationships. Can you give me an example, a specific one? We started thinking why was I angry with my parents at that day and age? Why was I blaming them so much that I wanted to take a rational decision? Why was I so upset that I ran away and I would understand, okay, why was I angry? That kind of situations and then understanding that there was no one to blame. There was no that everyone's acting out of love, always acting out of love, even if we feel triggered by something. It's our process but that everything works perfectly. That everything made sense and it would be like, of course, when I would do that. Of course, my father would. I would do the same if I was in their shoes or so immediately every subject that I had as a counselor got clarified and basically loved all the episodes that I had angered with war was just full of love now. And you mentioned someone being on the other side of this screen.

22:59 Was that God? Was that, do you have any idea? I'm going to be a bit blunt on this one. Today, I know we work with whatever I want to believe so it is. Okay, so if I want to skip, I can, I understood further on that interview I called it on that episode. I understood how even let's call it God, even God itself has descendants or sons or separations or continuations of ramifications. Let's call it ramification, the ramification of God and then those ramifications will have more ramifications. The same is that the lungs work, same as the roots on the tree work, the same as the universe works, all the ramifications that exist onto each other.

23:46 It's the same current, it's the same information. If you want to call it whatever I want to call it, it doesn't really matter. And I know this is not very clear but... No, it's not. Come on. Did you feel like this was, and whether the name is God or whatever, source or whatever, did you feel like that's who it was or somebody else? Yes, 100%. Okay, now I'm curious, as you're watching these things in your life, we're not all proud of every single thing that we've done and this grand being is on the other side, were you feeling guilt for any of that or were you just learning and being taught something? Nothing, nothing else, loving and loving, no guilt at all. No guilt at all, there's no guilt because that's the whole point. There's no guilt at all, there's no guilt. You're free of choices but not free of consequences so that's very obvious too but there's no guilt, there's no guilt.

24:45 So you were learning from what you were watching then, it sounds like? Yes, a lot, I was learning a lot. Is there anything else about the life review you want to describe to us? Yes, the freedom that we have in our pre-gult more in actually shaping our experience, that life review, it's just career through that when I chose to go right, there was nothing stopping me from going left when I chose to go up or when I chose to go down, where I chose to say yes or no, every decision that I made, there's no obligation, there's no determined but there's no, it's an endless option at any time, you can start at any time, you can make a new choice at any time. That's why we were laughing because sometimes you're like, well you gave me all of this and this is all I did, you know, I have this chance to go down there and do this and this is what I was worried with but at the same time I could see what the core of my interest, the core of my passions, core of my excitement, they were there and when I would allow myself to fall in there, then that type of satisfaction that comes, it was when the whole was benefiting from it, that was also an incredible thing to understand that at the times that I'm not listening to anyone or to circumstances or to anyone, I'm just following my true self, that excitement and the gratification that it brings you, that satisfaction, being honest to yourself,

26:19 that excitement that I feel, it's like it's channeled up to the whole again, to them up there and to the whole gratification, basically the lesson that was almost the only time we were being was useful to the whole when we can honor who we are and what our highest excitement was, like what are we here for, what am I here for and respecting your honest interests and your honest callings, the joy that it gives you, the excitement that it gives you when you're doing that, that's when you're benefiting. That makes sense. Yes, there was also very clean work with you. Okay, how did it end? Well, it ended on that day that I was falling in the grass. Okay. So we went through all the dramas and the conflicts and the fights and the angers, the things that motivated me at the time, the things that made me take decisions, took me where I was and there was no regrets or guilt, but there was also no more blaming anyone else.

27:24 There was a satisfaction, there was a laughing, basically the laughing of isn't this fun, isn't this fun like we are so powerful and so blissful and so pure and so, but we go there to the planet, we chose to go there, we choose to go there, bang our heads together, suffer and trip and fall and hurt and fight and in the end, isn't this fun? I'm just laughing about it and that was, that was a huge laugh. There's nothing here to take so seriously. There's nothing here. And I'm to speak because I was so depressed and so angry that I almost killed myself or which I didn't, well, the point is the fact that we were just laughing of isn't it fun and so we got to the point where I was so depressed because someone didn't react the way that I would like them to react and I got so depressed and so upset that I was upset. It didn't do what I want them to do, how they're like and obviously they don't have to, nobody has to, nobody has to do anything that we want. But I love hearing that in the spirit world there's humor and laughter and we laugh about things. Oh, everything, this, which will get us to the end of how it ends, which when we see all the, after all these conflicts because we stopped and cleaned up all the major dramas and events and events that mark what I used to call my life and laughing about it, laughing about how silly

28:56 is this. And then we ended up, we got to the part where I was on the floor of the garage and loads to meet him. And by this time I was feeling so well and so happy and so comfortable back in my spiritual form. I was so happy and everything was resolved. It was like getting rid of this burden. You know, it was like, Jesus, water, rides, everything is clear when everything is rid of and everything is clarified and I'm not angry with anyone and I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just having so much fun. And now we're starting to get comfortable there thinking, okay, what's next? And immediately between us comes that feeling in the air of the option. What's next?

29:40 And I see a multitude of options again, a multitude of options with the planet earth being just one of them here in the corner. During this conversation and the live preview, that's where I saw other souls floating around us and going and passing some closer, some further away. Some might feel I know them, there was this feeling of familiarity, some there was no feeling of familiarity, but I was comfortable around them and they were comfortable around me. And that's the moment where immediately my mind goes to or my essence goes to, I'm not done. There's things I would like to do better. There was things I would like to, I would have liked to have used all of this in a better way if I knew any better. There was a feeling that I was at the time. And immediately the response was then it's time to go back.

30:31 And I didn't even have a chance to say yes or no, because the feeling and the answer was so obvious. So we start moving away. And I'm like, well, it's all, we separate, I separate from the entity at the same progressive speed that I approached and I start looking to the other side of the machine. I see the planet coming closer, the planet getting bigger. And then myself on the floor of the garage and then so I go to the body. I open my eyes, I get some air. I managed to get some air. The excruciating pain is there. And I crawled for a little bit. I managed to turn myself around in the shant because I couldn't move my arms or my body. I crawled initially.

31:16 Then I got up and I fell, then I crawled. But I had in me, I knew I could do it this time, because God just told me it's time to go back. So suddenly I was with all the joy and all the laughter of our conversations just now in this body, in this wrecked body. But I had no fear. I had no doubts. And I crawled myself back to the house where my grandmother was. I managed to crawl in and get into the house. And the only words I can tell is called an ambulance. And she said, you're so pale, you're so white. Have some water and sugar, some sugar and water. That'll solve everything. Yes. I love grandmas.

32:02 Do the best. And I had to repeat, just call an ambulance, please. And I pass out this time on the couch. And then the second stage of the process starts. Let's take a breath. Okay, you're back. I felt like I was holding my breath the whole way, like you sort of were. So, okay, now you've got an ambulance coming. Let's pick it up from there, because this is not the end of the story. Yeah. Well, because we were in the countryside, there was no ambulances coming there any near us. So, but luckily, my next neighbor in the countryside was an uncle with an East wife, is a nurse. And so my grandmother, new scholar, circulated, let me call, let's call your aunt to come over. And luckily, they were home and they came running. And with my cousin, they were on the motorcycle ride, because that's where they lived. So, they made it home. And so all of them came because my grandma was worried. And she immediately, out of her, she puts her hand on my hand or something. But to her being a nurse, they immediately just picked me up and put me in the car. So, we're gonna drive them to the medical center straight away. This was a weird, was a weird part. When they picked me up, I have my two cousins picking up one on each leg, one on each leg, and my uncle and my aunt on each arm, and they're carrying me horizontally on the couch to the car. And I remember looking over the side,

33:37 and I see what's known as the, what's his name, what people call the death cartoon figure, the reaper, isn't it? The one with the black hood. Yeah, grim reaper. The grim reaper. So, the black tape with the hood and the big sickle and yeah. So, you saw a figure like that? Yeah, standing right behind them on the side of the house, watching them carrying me to the car. That doesn't happen every day. Yeah, and I'm like that. And I'm barely breathing, barely, you know, I'm very, very dazed. I don't know what's the word, but I'm pale and cold, I'm sweaty. And I see that that grim reaper there, and there's a kind of a communication kind of that I felt its essence, the essence of each other. Which felt like what? Like he's available to work if we call him. That was the vibe that I got. Like you called me, it was like, you called me and I changed your mind, that's fine, it's fine, go ahead. It was that there was a feeling that I got. It like, that's the figure that we gave him. Somehow I don't know how old it is, the figure I gave him to the grim reaper. I don't know the origins of the grim reaper. But the signature, the energetic signature was there, that that was the shape of the figure and definitely the dress code. And that was the interest change that we had. And I see him again later. I'll see him again later. And

35:08 the vibe, the feeling that the answer that I got was that I was laughing kind of almost again, almost again, like back in my humaneness, blaming him, like, huh, they're trying to get me, haha, here you go, I'm stronger or whatever, you lost or something like that. And he was like, no, you just called me, I'm available to work. I'm on call. You called me to come, now you change your mind. It was this, and he's like, huh, very matter of fact, it wasn't like, I'm coming to get you, buddy. Not at that. Yeah. No, very, very unemotional. Okay, so you get to the hospital, everything's cool. So not really. So they take me to the medical center of town, which was a small village and the doctor, they call the family doctor, this is a small village, he comes over, puts me all the he says immediately, he's having a heart attack, puts me immediately older, the heart monitor things. And because the MR says you guys have to go now, his heart attack described by him, this is a massive heart attack, he comes straight away. And the ambulance counts.

36:11 Now I'm no expert at all. But my understanding is, with a big heart attack like that, the more time that goes by before you get help, the more damage done to your heart. Is that correct? Did they tell you that? Yes, 31% damage to the heart muscle, 31% on that episode. That's how much you had? Yes. That's a lot. Yeah, not a big scar and some damage. And then when I'm in the medical center, and I'm again in that halfway stage between seeing, I cannot go back, I cannot not see everything as energy and alive. It's like speaking to a person in that stage would be the same to speaking to a wall. I was speaking to conscious and I was speaking to life. It was weird. It was after seeing that the tree is alive, the same way that is the molecules of my body or the drawer or the concrete or that everything that's around is alive. So the respect I gained out of this experience for everything that surrounds me, for the air that you breathe, for the oxygen that keeps us alive. My most valuable thing at the time was oxygen. I needed to get oxygen in me, right? Because I needed to breathe to feel alive again. And nothing would come as close to feeling on the other side away from my body. Because it feels amazing and I don't need oxygen. I wouldn't need food. I don't need nothing to feel amazing. So here I was back in my human body. I asked him for pain killers and they didn't want to give me pain killers because they thought I was having an

37:44 overdose. Oh, then there was that side. The human side was, he used to be a drug addict, he's been clean and sober for four years. He had a relapse. As it happens traditionally with drug addiction, when people sometimes relapse, it's your body so clean and the drug is so powerful or you don't know what you're doing and then you get an overdose. So the doctors didn't want to give me anything because they were afraid it would react with whatever I would have taken. I was like, no, I didn't take anything. And I needed pain killers. Just give me something because it hurts. And they didn't want to give it to me. And the ambulance arrived and I'm questioning again, have I done the right choice in coming back? Because I've been pain since I've been back.

38:27 Sure, I get it. I mean, you felt great there and not anywhere close to great here. And so when they take me to the ambulance, I see this time I see two figures. I see the green reaper and I see a figure of a priest. So the green reaper was there again, but I also see a priest. They put me in an ambulance. I start asking for my more pain killers. They don't want to give it to me. And I quit. I say, you know, effort. You guys don't want to give it to me. I'm dealing with humans again. I feel, why do I need to fight? Why are you not listening to what I'm telling you?

39:07 I'm just speaking with all honesty with all my heart. I'm telling you, hey, it's fine. I need pain killers, give me pain killers. I just came from speaking with God and these idiots, I'm sorry for that. But that's how I felt at the time. Freakin idiots as freaking don't know what you're doing. You know, listen to me, give me the pain killers. And they didn't. I said, okay, I'm going to go again. And I decided to go again. I went back up, left the body, back to the blackness, back to the whole light, back to the presence, back to the stealing of, so good. There's so much better. It's such a relief. But then I get confronted with another situation, which is the non-stopping of evolution and consciousness and progress, the growth, the growing of being. I get confronted with this situation now. So now I am in a place, kind of the message that I get from the entity again is like, yeah, the fact that you come here doesn't mean that you're just going to sit there on the end. Just we are growing, we are evolving, we are moving. There's no being stopped. There's no rest. There's no restness. There's nothing, there's no stillness. This is always growing and moving. And this is, there's always unknown, and there's always progressing. And there's always, it's a constant evolution. And this is the time that they shocked me. They shocked me to bring it back to my body. So I'm speaking with the entity, because this is explaining this space to me. I see another level of the, that's why I was

40:41 mentioned before at the beginning, that level of the fructalic construction of consciousness and life, how it keeps growing in a fructalic way, if you understand the terminology, it's like a fractal. It's like the roots of a tree. And they keep growing and growing and growing and expanding and expanding and expanding in all directions. In every direction, it's expanded. What we can see the good, what we can see the bad, what we can see the better or worse, it's only perspective. It grows in every direction. It has to grow in every direction. So it grows. And I was having questions answered and clarifications on the change on composition of life, the existence, where is this going? Oh, then it brings me back to my body. I wake up again, oh, when I see the nurse looking at me. I don't see the paddles because they took it from the side, but I see, I see their hands are there and they're there looking at me and the nurse is looking in my eyes.

41:43 Kind of, I see how scared he is because he knew it lost me. And she's looking at me, biggest eyes. And the first thing that I say is, he did a pain chill. And he says, okay, I'll die if you don't, right? Exactly. And you meant it. Yeah. And he did. He was like, I'll give you just a little bit. Whatever. Just, it's all right. You've got another experience coming up a few years later. Is there anything you want to bow you want to put on wrapping up this one here before we move on? The benefits of just listening to yourself, listen to your heart, just listen to your heart. Everything is there. All the answers, all the energy, all the resources that it is okay to choose whatever you want to choose. It is okay to do whatever you want to do.

42:30 It is okay to experience whatever you want to experience and believe in it. And I mean, the more you focus on it, the more you get it. That was to wrap up this, the old knowledge that once, because then I practiced it for, it was 27 now, 45. Yeah. I tried this for a long time. Yeah. So 18 years since then. So yeah, that's, oh, that's young. 27 years old. Have that kind of heart attack. Have two near death experiences where you actually leave your body. Yes. But you had one more, didn't you? I had one more. Go ahead, jump forward to there. Again, relationship. So we had this lockdown, right? Three years ago, there was a lockdowns and all this stuff. They said that people looking back at the COVID people, some people had babies and people got a pet, some people get married, some people got divorced. That was a decisive point in life, right? It was a decisive point in this planet. I got into a relationship at the time, but because I'm a yacht captain, I was stuck with a boat. We were coming from the Caribbean and we stopped in Miami and I got stuck. We couldn't leave anymore. We put the boats at the river and half of the crew had to go home because it was a world pandemic. They had to travel and I stayed with a person on the boat. I ended up having a relationship and soon after I realized it was not the relationship that I wanted, but I couldn't run away from it. Obviously, it was the COVID. Well, all the excuses I was giving myself, I could, but it was not the best of all. But anyway, the relationship was very,

44:03 very, we would have emotional peaks of extreme passion and love, through extreme anger and fighting. And one thing I knew from myself, from my previous hard life, that I don't get involved in hard fighting. I don't. Well, another thing I learned from the New York experience with my third episode was whatever you want to do. Oh, I don't want to do this. Okay, just do it. Go, do it. Keep it a little. Can I say best to you? And all we knew what you want to do is to do it. I respect that a lot. I don't get in fights. I don't get in arguments. I do you, you do you. You do you, you argue me, that sort of stuff that, you know, you're free to do. Because arguing is not good for my heart because my emotions and my physical body react very quickly. So that relationship, I was suffering with it. I was getting a lot of physical pain in my heart with it, because we were fighting a lot. And it was like, okay, you can share with my, you know, this is going to go one of these days, you're going to be so angry and so upset because you're arguing the basic perspective.

45:07 Because it's all it is just a waiting perspective. And you're going to fall again on her with another heart attack. And I want that. I ran away. I said, we have to break up for this seventh time. We have to break up. We fight a lot. This is not a good relationship. And one day I was arguing on the phone and she calls me back and she starts shouting at me and I was arguing on the phone. I started getting so angry and so agitated that I was with somebody else on another boat and I said, call an ambulance. I know what's happening. And each time he drives me to the ambulance, we have to meet an ambulance halfway because of the traffic. The ambulance cannot make it on time.

45:48 So this guy, very good mate, puts me in his car, drives through traffic like an maniac, crosses everything, takes me to the ambulance. And the ambulance says, I was still very conscious, really half aware, half conscious on that hazy phase of seeing everything as energy. And they monitor my heart and they say, you're a 220. How long have you been at 220? Your pulse, your heart rate? Yes. Yeah. Well, that's really high. Was it 220? And the other guy says, well, we took us 15 minutes to get here. So it's been 15 minutes at 220. And the guy says, okay, I'm gonna have to shock you. And I know first he says, I'm gonna give you some drugs to reduce the speed. And I was like, sure, do what I'm trying to do.

46:36 He gives me the drugs, an injection, and it doesn't change. Or it dropped, I think it dropped to 18 for a few seconds, and then went above 220 again. And he was like, oh, this is not working, we're gonna have to give you again, see what ever you want to do. It gives me another injection. And I feel it dropping again a little bit, but not fixing it going back up again. And he says, I'm gonna have to to shock you. And I tell him, you can't because I have a diffie brillator. Oh, in this 18 years of my, my process at some point, they decided to install me a diffie, a pacemaker with a diffie, because they say, well, you're super healthy. There's another thing I would like to say. Obviously, after my heart attack, I did I changed in every areas of behavior.

47:28 And food and exercise was obviously one of them. And each time I went back to my doctors, they would call the other cardiologists because they could not believe the progress I was doing physically, because they said the heart is not supposed to regenerate. It's the only organ that wants it's damage, it's damaged. And I changed my food habits, I changed my exercise, I changed my routines, I changed my mental exercises, meditation, rituals, the priorities. And I got to, I was getting better, healthier, I was getting healthier. So I could run the marathon. I was, I was, they couldn't believe I was very, very healthy. But at some point, they said, okay, they also told me when I left the hospital, here's seven pills you must take per day. And you can't work, you can't do nothing, you can't get emotional, you can't get nervous, you can't get angry. And I remember clearly saying to the doctor after one year of recovery, I said, listen, doctor, I'm gonna live my life. Okay, I just got back, I feel I'm fixed. I just leave your efforts, exams, and you just see how healthy I am. I want to live my life, I don't want any pills.

48:35 And I don't mind if I die, because I know it will be the right thing to do if I disappeared, you know, it's fine. Don't worry, you shouldn't worry, nobody should worry, I shouldn't worry, because everything works perfectly. So don't worry with that. I'm enjoying it. But while I'm here, I'm going to follow what I've learned. Okay, I'm going to do what makes me happy, I'm going to do what excites me, I'm going to live my life. And that's, that's why I was sailing, I was jumping off an airplane, I was diving wrecks all over the world. I've been doing everything that I wanted to do, all my bucket lists, I've picked them all. But at some point, the doctor said, okay, then please, let me put you a pacemaker and a beefy, because in case if you have an attitude somewhere, at least you're protected, because you're going to be in the wild, I went to the desert, I went, you know, across the Atlantic Ocean nine times, I wanted to have excitement in my life. And I would reach to put the device, but they didn't put the settings on, they just put the device, but it was pointless, I don't know why they didn't get it right. But one condition when you have a beefy, we said you cannot be beefy by another device, because that can kill you.

49:43 So what does the paramedic do for you then? Well, he says you cannot have a beefy because if you had one, it would have fired already, because you've been at over 220 for over 20 minutes. Yeah. So you have to, you don't have one. And I showed them it's here, I had one. And then it says that it's broken, because it should have worked. You cannot be over 220, over 20 minutes with a beefy. So that thing is broken, I'm going to shock you anyway. And I've insisted with him, because I had the message from the doctor says you cannot be shocked, you cannot be shocked. There's two devices, 400 volts, whatever it is, everybody gets shocked or something like that. But they shocked me. And I said, you know what, you're right, because I think this doesn't kill Gudam, but 220, I would do what you have to do. Yeah, do something, anything. Yeah. So he shocks me and that's when I go back to the other side, back to the darkness, back to the light.

50:43 Did you have another life review? No, not a life review was isolated. I was feeling so comfortable. I was feeling was more isolated questions, isolated answers. What am I doing wrong? Why am I here again? Why did my thoughts, because I don't blame anyone, I don't blame the girl that I was dating for my heart attack. I don't blame her at all. My question was, what has been my thought process that brought me here again? Why am I suicidal? Because I know I also learned that every death is a suicide. Every death, what we call death, when people depart this planet is a suicide, all of them. It's not just when people get the resources, or they're there all the time. My death was a suicide. I called, I asked to be there. I asked for the green reaper to come and take it. You do know a lot of people are going to disagree with you on that statement, right? That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, that's okay. Keep going.

51:42 I know. They have, I've been doing this for a while. I've been speaking about this for a few years. Oh, I know. I know some people I can feel it's pointless to speak about this. And some people, I know they're open to the idea. When we understand the power of thought and emotions, every thought is a suicide. Every thought, no, I'm sorry, every death is a suicide, because every thought, the power of thought, a conscious thought, and the choices where you put your consciousness through focus, whatever you focus on, you will get it. Whatever you focus the most, because if you focus about getting a pot of gold, three seconds every five days, you're not going to get the pot of gold. It's energy, thoughts. It's mind or matter. This has been the latest discussion. I don't discuss because if people don't want to believe that they were not open, I said, okay, that's fine.

52:31 But I'm just sharing things that I know. Yeah. And I didn't mean to get you sidetracked. Was there anything else that happened in the spirit world this time that was different than the other times or new? No. It was different. We met in a different room, more evolved, more, I was more comfortable. The information was given in the same way. There was answers of why I was gone, because that was my main question, because I knew it was my thoughts that brought me to that state. And so my main question this time is, what am I going through? Which thoughts am I doing that are causing me this experience? And then I got the answers. That's clarification.

53:17 And I was in there in peace for a while. I was just enjoying it for a while, and then I woke up in the bed of the hospital. And then it's all flowers and roses since then? If I so choose to. Yeah. If I wake up and I do my, I have meditation books and our views, I write 10 things. I'm grateful, sometimes 20 things. I'm grateful for every day since the Resort. I always do a gratitude for staying in the morning while I have my, first, even before I get out of my bed, as soon as I wake up to the meditation, I take profits of that moment of waking up without concerns or without the matter and being in that spiritual zone, that peaceful zone, to celebrate war and to see which thoughts really matter. And then I do make my coffee and I write my gratitude list for the day. Be it I'm grateful for my coffee, too. I'm grateful for the money in my bank or I'm grateful for girls' friend, whatever it is, small things, big things, whatever you want to. You need to find the joy in being here because this is what you will laugh about it when you get to be at the site. You will laugh about it and you will see how your choices and your thoughts create a different experience. That would have been a perfect ending to this podcast, but I have a couple more questions first. So that's fine. You mentioned a book and I know you have a book called Captain Heart and it's by the pen name of yours, George Adotzi. Is that book about your

54:49 near-death experience or something else? Yes, it is. There's more information on it about what we just spoke of, but yes, it's about that. You can always fit a lot more in a book, a lot more detail. Well, is there anything else before we go that you'd like to share with our listeners, whether it's something that's going to help them in their life, bring them some joy at this point? Go within and find what makes you smile. Go within. If you're not having a good time of your life, if you're and you're blaming others and you're blaming circumstances or whatever it's going on around you, trust me, it comes from you. We come here to experience things. I know many people don't believe on mind over matter. They don't believe on the power of thoughts. That's fine, but imagine that. Just imagine hypothetically. It doesn't mean that I'm right or it doesn't mean that you're wrong, but imagine, let's imagine this apathetic world where whatever you would desire would come to you, hypothetically. So what would make you smile? What would make you happy?

55:56 How would you like to spend your day? Just try it, hypothetically. Just imagine that the world, this is how the world would work, that you would bring to you whatever you spend more time thinking about. What would you do then? If that was a true fact, what would you do? What would you think about? What would you think about since you wake up? Or what would be the first two hours of your day that you would think about if what you think about brings you your experience? If this was true, what would you be thinking about? So hypothetically, whatever puts you smile in the way? That would be my advice. And ignore the rest. Ignore that somebody's not in the door, ignore that somebody asks you something, again, it would be something big, again, it would be wait a minute. And it's the care of my self. I cannot help you if I don't do that. So give me a minute and two hours for my show. I love that. How would people's lives be different if they had no fear of death? Because I can tell that you don't. Oh, not at all. There's no death. There is no death. There is no death. And this, again, I'm going to try to put it in the different worlds.

57:02 This is like coming to a movie theater, or this is like going to an attraction park, where you choose to get in, you choose which rides you want to do, you choose which rides you want to do again or not. And you choose when to leave. And what people are not convinced is they think that somebody's going to kick them out of the attraction park, or you think that somebody's going to hold them in the attraction park, and now you have to work, and you're going to do this because you have to stay at the attraction park, and you have to suffer before you leave. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, none of that. You choose when you get in, you choose which rides you're going to take, and you choose when to get out. This coming in here is exactly like that. And you will laugh. Once you get out the attraction park, there was moments you were sad, there were moments you were scared, there was things you wanted to do again. But God, you want to go back. I love it. Thanks a lot, Sal. Appreciate having you on today. Well, I hope I've answered your questions. They do know I do go sideways. They're not some of the subjects and I sometimes it's hard to find the words or the vehicle to bring some information.

58:06 Your English is pretty darn good. Don't worry about it. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. Thanks again for listening and remember to share this podcast. To be notified when the next episode goes live, follow us on your podcasting app or click over to roundtripdeath.com and sign up for our email newsletter. Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.