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I had intense fear and panic because we were obviously crashing. Out of my heart came the
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thought, oh god help, I'm going to die.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was a good 45 minutes.
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It's determined that I was not breathing for 20 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. And I could
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see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realise that was actually my physical body
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because I was somewhere else.
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By which you went to the past far, in the afternoon, by half past seven I was dead, clinically
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dead for four minutes.
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And they were crying because I was dead and I was trying to tell them no, I'm not dead,
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I'm just fine, I'm okay.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful, soothing,
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loving energy.
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I'm back with God again. I just felt this all in my tube release, like, wow, I'm back,
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home. I'd come back home. It was a very strong feeling, I've
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come back home.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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And light is literally emitting from him and I could feel that that tremendous amount
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of love was coming through him as well.
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They were brighter than everybody else and I just knew who they were.
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We are excited to be here on Roundtrip Death today because we have a great guest, Lisa
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Arrington, coming to us from North Carolina. Good morning, Lisa, how are you?
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Good morning, I'm good and thank you for having me.
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And I was going to embarrass you by going into your nickname, but I'll tell you what,
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I'm going to ask you to tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and you can volunteer
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any kind of information you want. Tell us about you.
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Sure. So again, my name is Lisa Arrington. In my professional life, I'm an SEO, search
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engine optimization professional, doing that for about two decades. I have a six-year-old
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daughter, my family is born and raised in the Raleigh, Durham, North Carolina area.
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And on the outside of my professional life, I also have a small twin flame and so my grief
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support group for people who have lost someone that they feel connected to, that's on Facebook.
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So I've been managing that as well as looking into self-publishing a book as well about all
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of these experiences that we're going to talk about.
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Congratulations, that's a lot. What do you do for fun?
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Well, fun. Oh, this is kind of the for fun part, I feel like. No, but just getting out
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into nature, honestly, is such a break in relief. It's so nice just to go out and connect,
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even if it's just a small walk, you know, and in between meetings, during the day. Yeah,
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and of course, playing with my daughter.
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Good. And you have a new puppy?
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Yes.
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So we're forewarning everybody. If you hear the puppy, that's okay. That's not a sound
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effect we threw in. That's real live, real live everything here. Okay, I think we ought
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to just jump right into your near death experience, but I'm going to give people a little teaser.
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Maybe I should have done this upfront. And the teaser word of the day is Groundhog Day.
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In a few minutes, everyone will know what that means. Let's go back to 2016. Tell me
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what's going on in your life and your health that led to your NDE.
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Yes. So in 2016, I was pregnant with my first and only child. She was born in August, August
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18. So, you know, it's a pregnancy, normal pregnancy. My water broke. We went to the
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hospital and I want to point out in this story, again, I'm in the triangle of North Carolina.
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We have three nationally acclaimed hospitals right here within, you know, a 10 mile distance
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of one another, pretty much. So I went to a local hospital here. And things are kind
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of interesting off the gate with this birth that will lead to the NDE. So we arrived.
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We did a C-section birth. It was successful. You know, baby was born. She was underweight,
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but otherwise everything was fine. And we get back to the maternity room that they put
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you in where you can bond with your baby. And I kept telling the nurse something is wrong.
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And even looking back, talking about this, it's difficult for me to explain what was
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wrong, but just in your body, you know, something is not quite right. And they said, well, no,
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you just had a baby, you know, that's totally normal. So I said, okay, within 24 hours,
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my health began to decline. I was swollen all over. I could barely hold my newborn who
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was four pounds, seven ounces. She wasn't even that big. It was uncomfortable to try
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to hold her. I started to, what is it? It's not dementia, delirium, I think is what the
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medical term for it. Yeah. So like my mental health started to decline because my body
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inside was having all these issues. My organs began were shutting down essentially.
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So is this a reaction to medication or some kind of an infection coming on?
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So there were infections. There was a laundry list of things. I had an E. coli infection
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in my blood. I had deep vein thrombosis. I mean, there's so many different things,
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but they were all repercussions of an internal bleed in my uterus, which at the time the
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hospital didn't know. And so on paper, on the reports, they said, oh, well, you know,
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just your liver's going bad. And they just assumed my liver was bad and I needed a transplant
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and all sorts of crazies. I have never had previous health problems. So it's like, you
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know, what, I mean, liver, what? And my husband at the time, thankfully, he did not accept
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the answer that no, she's just going to have to have this liver transplant just and it's
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a 25% chance if she does get the transplant that she'll live. So say your goodbyes. He
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has a family member that works in UVA Charlottesville, University of Virginia Charlottesville in the
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liver transplant unit. She's an OR nurse of all things. And so 24 hours after the birth,
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I started deteriorating. Not long after that, I was intubated. So I was put in a medically
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induced coma to stop, you know, slow the damage. And then I was life-flighted out to
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UVA in Virginia. And that is where I feel like that's really where the ND experience really
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starts.
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Yeah. So you were at a great hospital, but they sent you to one that specializes in the
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liver issues that you were happening.
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The hospital, interestingly enough, did not actually authorize it because they were so
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convinced that it was just my organs shutting down, that there was no, you know, no saving
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me. But as soon as I arrived at UVA, literally that same morning, they saw they looked at
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me and they identified the bleed and corrected it. And so the ND happened in the amount of
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time it took me from that fix happened, this surgical fix happening to when I woke up.
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Okay. Let's jump right into that.
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It is very interesting because again, I was in a medically induced coma. First of all,
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medically speaking, your brain activity is supposed to be null and void. You're really
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not like technically, scientifically, we believe that there's no brain activity when you're
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in a coma. And this is interesting because I had so many different odd dreams and things.
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And I'm including this in the story because there's a difference between the dreams that
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you have and this near death experience. They're two different subjects.
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Tell us how you know the difference, how you know you weren't just dreaming the whole time.
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The dreams were more so like when you're, you know, at night, we all dream, right? We
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know what that feels like. Sometimes they can feel real, but even still, it's not quite
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the same as a near death experience, which was, let me try to, the best way to explain
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this, you're comprehending things not with your mental abilities, you're comprehending
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things through consciousness. And I think that's why there's a lot of stories of NDEs,
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you know, dealing with time, either speeding up or slowing down, because we're not using
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our brain necessarily or our, you know, intuition or our physical body to perceive these things.
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So with the NDE, again, it's really hard to describe, but the best answer I have is that
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the difference between your mental, your mental thinking and your cognition versus your consciousness,
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your actual essence, your spirit, your soul, whatever you want to call it, that's the main
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difference.
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Okay. All right, let's keep going. So you had dreams and an NDE both. Where do you want
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to start?
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So I was having these crazy dreams, which a lot of people in ICU when they're unconscious
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do have. And when it switched over to the NDE, again, I'm pointing out that that's,
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I was transferred to UVA. I actually remember a dream of being in a helicopter and they,
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you know, somehow magically transported me directly into the ICU room that I was in.
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Of course that didn't happen. That was a dream. But then everything changed. It was darkness,
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total darkness, not scary darkness though, just kind of like an empty space. I somehow
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knew that I was outside of my body, that I was not my, you know, my soul, my essence was
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not attached to my body at the time. And just kind of like a floaty kind of abyss. And then
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I saw a light, which some people might describe as like a tunnel kind of light. And I heard
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a disembodied voice and it said, it basically told me, you can let go. If you want to let
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go, no one will blame you. Now is the time. You'll be okay. Your daughter will be cared
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for. You can go ahead. And for a split second, I considered, I'm like, wow, that sounds relaxing.
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You know, like I no longer have to fight, right? I just can just go. But I had this
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weird instinct. I'm like, no, wait, no, no, no, no, I should not do that. I need to be
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here for my daughter. I have things to do. There are things on this earth I need to achieve.
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And at that point, that's when I kind of perceived that disembodied voice to be evil. I don't
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believe it was evil. I really do think it was honestly just giving me the choice. But
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again, we're geared for survival. And so we might perceive that as being evil if it's
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trying to get us to, you know, end our lives. And so I, again, this is all happening in
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consciousness and this out of body experience.
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In addition to the light, are you seeing anything else?
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Not specifically, no, it was really just darkness and then just the light at this point in time.
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And then once I made that decision to say, no, I want, I would like to live and I, it's
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strange because I want to say, you know, I bolted as far away as I could from that light.
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But again, this is happening like in a realm where there's no sense of direction even.
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It's very interesting. But after that point, after I made that conscious choice to live,
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that's when we went into the next part of the NDE.
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Okay. Is this where the Groundhog Day part comes in?
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Almost.
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Almost.
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So the next stage in it, there was three stages really. The first was that disembodied, you
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know, make your choice kind of thing, which again, just for the sake of realness here,
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for years I called it the death trap. It was terrifying. Like once I woke up and I looked
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back on it and I realized that's very scary to be told, go ahead and die. Like, you know,
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you feel like you're being manipulated or lulled into making a decision to die.
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Yeah. I find that interesting that your feeling on that is that that was a negative thing,
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maybe even an evil thing. Some other people and everybody's experience is completely different.
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There's no right or wrong here. But some other people feel like, hey, that was such a good
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place. And I really wanted to stay because it was so wonderful. And it's interesting
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that you're feeling on that's a little bit different.
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I don't think I was quite there yet though. That wasn't, you know, that realm that people
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reach.
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Okay. That makes sense.
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Yeah. This was more like, for people who believe in spirit guides, the best way to describe
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it would be my guide was, you know, touching base with me saying, hey, if you want to,
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you know, opt out, now's your chance. You can go ahead. And I said, no, I've got things
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to do. And so the next part was that realm that we're talking about now that you're
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with your, I call them spirit guides or soul family, the people, the souls, their energy
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that we're connected to in our lives. And unfortunately, I don't remember much about
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that during the NDE. I have been able to get back there in meditation after, which again,
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it's fascinating. And I truly credit it. I don't believe that I'd be able to achieve
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that if I hadn't first experienced it in the NDE. So it kind of was like this open this
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window, so to speak, so that later in life, I can always come back. I can always be connected
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to that feeling and that great supporting network of beings or energy or spirit, souls
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who have my back and who I have theirs.
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Well, and it's also not unusual for these memories to come back gradually.
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Yes.
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You know, whether it's through meditation or some, for some people, they just all of
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a sudden come back or something. So tell us a little bit about what you do remember.
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So the next thing I know, once I made my decision, I again, the goal is to get back
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into my body because I want to live. And so I started my journey to my body. I distinctly
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remember the feeling of my energy or my soul entering into my physical being. However,
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it was not mine, if that makes any sense. It was a body that looked like mine. It was,
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and I woke up actually August 27th, looked around. You know, I saw my husband and my
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family, the ICU nurses, but it did not feel quite right. Again, just waking up out of
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a medically induced coma, I wasn't able to stay awake that long. You know, I very quickly
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felt like a sleep. But when I woke up the next time, I found myself in the same position
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with different circumstances, different, you know, people would have a slightly different
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demeanor, or the events of the day would go slightly differently. And again, each time
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I felt I remember the feeling of having to reenter a body every time.
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So did you feel like it was different because maybe this was an hour or two later, or it
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was different in that you were re-entering, re-waking up for the first time, but things
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were different anyway? Explain that a little bit.
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Sure. Yeah, I think it took, you know, a few times because again, we have to keep in mind
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there were dreams involved in this at the beginning from all the heavy coma medications
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and everything. So I wasn't sure, you know, what is this? It took me a minute to really
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understand this a way to second. I am waking up on the same day over and over again. And
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once I realized that, again, this is very interesting because it wasn't fully mental
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cognition. It's still kind of, you know, it's still halfway out of body experience to where
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I'm still kind of thinking it from that level of consciousness. And so there was a level
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of security there to where I knew and somehow understood that this is okay. I'm safe. I
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feel like that was from seeing my guides in between. I think they, you know, wanted to
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reassure me and say, you know, you got this. Yeah. And so, yeah, so I would wake up again.
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And when you wake up and I see you, they ask you three questions. Where are you at? Who
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is the president and what day is it? And I would get two out of three right. I'd always
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get the date wrong. Because in my experience, it was August 27th. And they would say, no,
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it's the 26th of 20th. It was just very strange. It was always just something slightly off
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like that. Or for instance, here's a good one. So my aunt and uncle, my aunt is a nurse.
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My uncle is a general physician in Pennsylvania out of state for me. My aunt came down while
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I was still unconscious. She came down on the day I woke up. And I personally did not know
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she was there, right? I had no way to know that she was actually there. I was still in
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my coma. And when I woke up in one of these iterations, in part of the near death experience
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still, my aunt, who is usually very level headed, very intelligent. She's Catholic.
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So that's part of who she is. But she was very bossy. She was telling, she was interacting
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with the ICU nurses as if she knew better. And she asked all these medical questions.
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And it just was not like her. And so it really felt like when I would land into these iterations,
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kind of like it was things were alien, right? And it's such a strange feeling to look around
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you and see your friends and family who you know and love. But there's something not just
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not quite right. And you know that they're not quite your friends and family, whether
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that's a timeline, reality, alternative universe, however you want to call it. Just again, not
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not quite right. And that gave me the drive, though, to keep going.
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So how many of these, as you call it iterations, how many of these were there?
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There were six that I can clearly remember. There were at least 12 that I remember starting,
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but you know, I couldn't tell you many details about them. So this this happened a lot. I
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mean, it was Groundhog Day on repeat. And it did get scary at a time. It finally, you
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know, after however many times, I felt like I was stuck in a loop. And I even started
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thinking, because every time I would wake up, my husband would look at me and say, Hey,
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beautiful, like he's doing something else in the room. He'd notice I was awake and
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say, Hey, beautiful. And I began to memorize what they would say. You know, my husband
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and my father, and I was like, maybe I can tell them something. Maybe somehow I can let
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them know that, man, I keep experiencing this over and over. And I did try that. I tried
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to remember one time I woke up and I said, Wait, I'm stuck in a loop. Something's going
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on. And of course, they didn't understand. I, you know, had to really realize, wait,
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I'm in this alone, essentially, you know, I have to brave this myself and get back to,
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you know, the right configuration of where I need to be. Yeah. And even talking about
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it right now in this moment, I just realized how how much this was such a needed lesson
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of courage, of trust, of faith, of being comfortable with the unknowns, right? Knowing that we
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have that soul family, that we have that kind of existence that didn't get that experience
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is tell us we have is pretty, pretty trippy is the word I can think of right now.
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Okay. Is there anything else that you remember during the NDEs besides the bright light?
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Is there anything that you felt or heard? I do remember realizing that I was in this
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kind of empty space, what I would call empty space, it was not uncomfortable. It felt natural
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to be there. So it wasn't disturbing. It wasn't startling that I was in this kind of dark
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area that I had this disembodied voice talking to me and I saw the light and I, you know,
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you can you really feel like the warmth and the love and you know, it's there. Even if
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you haven't entered into it, just somehow instinctively, you just know what all this
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is. It's like hidden knowledge that's just within us that lays latent. I can't really
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remember much else to be honest for that part. Okay. So let's move on. At what point were
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you fully conscious? How were things then? Did those things feel like they were in your
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normal reality or you were in one of these alter iterations? Sure. So when I officially
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woke up, again, this would be August 27th, I'd woken up and you know, I was by that
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point a little startled, a little kind of hesitant to be able to trust, right? Because
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it had gotten to the point where I was terrified to fall back asleep because when I'd fall
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back asleep, I'd wake right back up on that previous day. And sometimes I'd stay up for
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hours, you know, my body was recovering. That was a big feat to stay up that long.
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By the way, how many days was this since you had the baby? I had her on the 18th. I was
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put into the coma on, I believe it was the 20th. And I woke up officially on the 27th.
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Okay. And it did take about 24 hours for me to really come to. So.
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And did they, did they have to do a liver transplant or did they once they fix the internal bleeding,
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did things start to repair? Once they fixed it, I went uphill from there. Thankfully, I
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did not need any transplant. I needed no other, you know, intervention other than that surgery
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to fix the uterine bleed again, had a C-section. So that's totally understandable that that
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is, you know, might happen. My healing time was supposed to be at least six months and
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an inpatient intensive mobile rehabilitation facility. That was not the case. And I guess
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we'll get to that in a moment. But keeping with the chronological order, when I woke
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up in this reality in the curve, you know, the correct one, the one I need to be in here,
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I still, it was difficult to trust what was going on. I still was hesitant. And so I was
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very scared. I was also scared because I transferred hospitals and because I'd overheard things
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while unconscious of essentially that I was was going to die from the medical staff. So
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I was still very scared. I had to have my husband sit next to me. We didn't have a nice
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ICU room. There was only, you know, just a really crappy chair to sit in. That's it.
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There was no bed. There was no sofa and nothing. So he had to stay there with me at least 48
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hours overnight because I just couldn't trust, you know, I just like, hey, that you know,
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something's not right. They're going to get me, you know, the medical staff. I mean,
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you know, I was trying to survive. But after that, now I definitely could tell I was in
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reality. I mean, there was no question. And that's, that's the craziest part about this
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is that again, the difference between dream, new experience and reality. Very cool story
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in that respect.
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You want to explain that?
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You know, it is difficult now that I think about how do I explain this to someone who
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if you think of a dream you've had and you swear it's real, you know, you, when you wake
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up from and you're like, that was real. But if you really look back and think about it,
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it wasn't real. There's, it's such a subtle difference. It's really hard to explain this.
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I think it really comes down to intuition. It comes down to knowing in yourself, in your
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soul or spirit, essence, whatever you believe, it just feels right.
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And real. That's what many people tell me is it just feels more real than real even.
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Yeah. I mean, it's just like, aligns with what you're configured for it aligns with
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like what you know as well. For example, that I had just given birth, I had a daughter and
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I needed to be her mother. And so when I came to and back into reality, I was well aware
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of that.
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And you know, you always look for little things, even if you're trying to like lose the dream,
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they tell you to always look for subtle things. Like there's little practices you can do actually
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to kind of look at something and say, okay, well, if it's a dream, if it's not real, then
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I'll look away. And when I look back at it will be read. In reality, you can't do that.
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So there's lots of little checks and balances that you can do for that as well to disseminate.
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Okay. We're going to move on in just a minute and talk about some of the things that you
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learned from all of this. But before that, people know I love happy ending. So I want
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to hear about being reunited with your daughter and how your health proceeded from there.
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Absolutely. Sure. So yes, so since I was life-flighted to UVA, I was, you know, over, I think, like
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180 miles away from my newborn daughter who was back in Raleigh in a hospital here in
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NICU just because she was underweight. So this whole time I've been at the three weeks
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or so I was away from my daughter. And again, the surgery they did to fix the bleed brought
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me back to pretty quick. So by 27, 28th of August, I was awake. My next goal was to
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get out of ICU to the general floor and then I could go home. And so there's this miraculous
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healing that happened to where, again, the doctor said three to six months, you know,
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you're going to, you're not going to be able to basically walk. You're going to have to
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relearn to walk. And by I think was the fourth or fifth day, I was using a walker like, you
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know, an elderly person has slowly moving around my room with a lot of help. But nonetheless,
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I was standing and just kept making this miraculous progress in my healing. September 11th is
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when I was able to go home and drove straight down to see my daughter. I had all these IV
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bandages on me. I mean, it was to the point where when my kidneys failed, they had to do
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dialysis through my neck, through two points in my neck. It was that crazy. So I was free
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of all the machinery and all the stuff I had lost so much weight from being in that hospital
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bed and my body failing. But we got home. We saw our daughter, her name is Everly. And
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today she's six years old and doing so well and just such a blessing. And I won't get
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too much into it, but I do want to note that through this NDE and through other things
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that have happened since then, you know, spirit or God or whatever you believe in is truly
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showing how interconnected all of this is. So my daughter is interconnected with a lot
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of these kind of spiritual things in life and she's just naturally on it. I mean, just
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it's just wild to see. It's very cool.
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It's just very perceptive, huh? Okay, let's talk about other things in general in your
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life that have changed because these things change you. Yeah. Okay, how are you different
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than you were before?
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Oh man, that's a good question. So this might be interesting. So when I healed and you know,
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woke up and healed from the near death experience, before that I was really into politics. I
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was pretty passionate about it. You know, the sense of reason and logic and all the
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little moving pieces and all that stuff. And I had been all my life. But after the near
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death experience, I would turn on the talk radio and just have this feeling in myself
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like it was like kind of like the polarization had changed. Like, you know, you try to put
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two magnets with the same polarization together, or they're going to repel, they're going to
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bounce back on each other. You have to have the right combination and then they stick.
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That's how I was feeling when I heard of this on the radio. And what I was responding to,
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I think, was the sense of aggression, the sense of, I don't know, just very topical
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service level nitpicking back and forth. Which after you go through experience like
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this, it's like, man, there's so much more than that. You guys, you know, like, we don't
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need to be down in the weeds, like going back and forth about that. And so one of the big
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things that changed was my tolerance for aggression, service level stuff, and kind of seeing things
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from that different perspective, as well as knowing that we are always connected to the
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beings, the people, the things that we experience in these NDE's, we are constantly connected
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to that side or that realm of our universe. And these NDE stories, all they really do
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is help us to make sense of that and believe it, right? Because it's hard to believe something
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unless you've experienced it yourself. But I feel like that's one of the most powerful
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things about all these stories is that it's not just one person, you know, it's multiple
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people, and as well as some of the psychedelic experiences, which I won't get into either,
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but it's very fascinating when you hear these, this overlap with these experiences that people
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have like mine as well.
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What do you mean by that? The overlap?
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In my story, and even though I can't quite remember the in the moment meeting my spirit
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guides my soul family, I know that I did. And afterwards, you know, again, like I said,
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in meditation, I was able to actually access that realm, which is mind blowing because
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some people say they'll pay hundreds of dollars per hour to be guided in meditation to do
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this. And here I was in my living room, never meditated before and just did it. It's very
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comforting feeling.
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But then you have other people in NBEs who have also been in this blissful realm, they
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feel that unconditional love. It just feels right that, you know, there's greater purpose,
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there's like this invisible path in life that is being illuminated by these encounters.
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And even in experiences like I think it's DMT, where people say they report that they
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will they will actually see figures like this, figures that will tell them like our spirit
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guides or soul family that tell them either, hey, you know, you're doing great or, or hey,
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or, you know, no, this isn't cool. And they guide us.
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And I was like, I just think that's so beautiful that no matter how you look at it, NBEs, I
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feel experienced spiritual, transformative experience. It's all about that we're all
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here guiding one another and supporting one another.
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So what else came back to you through your meditation that you felt like you remembered
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from it?
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A lot. A lot of the little pieces started to make sense of it because this took a while
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for me to put together. And it's still not quite put together because at the time 2016,
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this is when the Mandela effect was popular. You know, the, is it Bernstein bears or is
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it Barrenstein bears, that type of thing. People are, you know, or did was the Volkswagen
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logo, did it always have the separate VW or, you know, little things like that. And that's
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exactly what this experience felt like. It felt like it was just those little tiny things
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that were different when I would wake up.
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So oh, I probably should add that I did do therapy. I did do EMDR or E, I always forget
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it. I think it's EMDR therapy, which has to do with like tapping to stimulate the ulterior
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brain. So I did that for medical trauma.
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Just because the whole experience of the actual hospital and, you know, dying was.
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Yeah, that was traumatic.
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So I did that, but that didn't really unlock anything. It really through the meditation.
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This unlocked so much. And I don't know how much is remembrance, but I can tell you that
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I've learned about the relationships with some of the, you know, disembodied voices
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or the beings that I met, kind of learned who I am to them, who they are to me, why
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they even appeared to me, which for the most part is that, you know, they, they are essentially
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just other people, other souls that throughout time we have formed this bond.
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Like I'm trying not to get in a rabbit hole here, but we support each other, you know,
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through life and whatnot. And I've even gone as far as to remember past lives. Again, all
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from the seed point of that near death experience. I mean, they continue to help with, I'm flipping
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through my notes right now, even little things like helping with posture, right? Like I severe,
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lower back and GI issues. And it was an issue with my spinal nerve and fix my posture, just
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crazy things like that, little things like that. Yeah. And I think another big thing
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again is my daughter and the role she plays in my life. And it's important for me to understand
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that as a parent so that I can raise her in the best way to achieve whatever she needs
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to because when I came back to the surf from that NDE, I had a purpose. And that's all
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I knew was I have a purpose. There's a reason I need to do this. It reinstilled this dedication
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as well as the sense of love.
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Did you know what the purpose was immediately?
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Not a me. I mean, immediately, the only immediate thing that I knew was that I need to raise
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my daughter. But I mean, that's a basic thing. But it's also to be fair, you know, technically,
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I had my husband at the time, I had, you know, both families on both sides were there would
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be able to help and raise her. So it wasn't just a motherly instinct, you know, I mean,
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she would have been taken care of. And in my NDE, I was literally told she would be taken
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care of and be fine. So it really came down to a personal choice and understanding the
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impact that I personally would have on her, or maybe something, you know, in my life that
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I need to finish, which goes into my twin flame story. I'm going to get into that today
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because totally off topic. But it's again, it just, I cannot help but sit back and aw
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at how connected all of these events and pieces are. And even hearing other people's stories,
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it's a while just, you can't help but see just the natural embeddings and meanings
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and things. Yeah. So many experiencers talk about the connection, how we're all connected.
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Nobody's been able to explain it to me very well. Do you think you can explain it better
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than most? Okay, give it a shot. I will totally try. Okay. So our connection points. So there's
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two ways to look at this. The first is physical connection, right? So when we think of the
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physical body and how we communicate, if you communicate with something, you're connecting
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with them, right? You can do that verbally, you can do body language, you can even sometimes
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even emotionally, right? If someone walks into a room and you know, there's a lot of
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tension, they can just sense it. But some people believe we have other layers, the astral,
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the etheric, I probably messed that up. But there's these other layers that are not physical,
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so to speak. But we still communicate at these levels. For instance, astral deals with dreaming.
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Even in the Bible, Jesus Christ talks about looking at the content of the person's heart.
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That is fascinating because the heart actually has an electromagnetic field that radiates
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from it. So if you don't believe in Jesus, the one thing that we do know is there's that
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energy field. And so we're connected on these other levels. It's not just because I don't
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think I'm connected like my brain if I say, why don't I like you? I'm not connected to
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you. No. That's, you know, we're not talking about that kind of connection. We're talking
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about, again, physical example, you walk into the room with someone, you are within that
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sphere of their biofield that they're putting out, and your biofield overlapping. Again,
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this is just a very quick, simple example of that type of connection. Long story short,
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there are different ways that we connect with people. And it depends on which perspective
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you're taking as to how we define that. The other one, I'll try to be quick with this,
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not nerd out because it has to do with AI and SEO. AI, artificial intelligence uses natural
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language processing, deep relevance models. It essentially looks like a big word map kind
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of as to how it derives meaning. It uses relationships and associations to better understand a topic.
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You can't just give AI a definition and say, here's what color red means. You have to actually
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tell it, you know, it has to be able just like our brain, we can see a fire hydrant.
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We know, oh, even if the fire hydrant is in black and white, we know it's red, right?
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That's an association. So it creates this kind of network. It also uses things called
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embeddings. So embeddings, again, are just things that help it to create that deeper
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understanding and points of connection, associations, relationships. That, I feel, is the exact
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same way that we are connected as people, as souls, as essence, spirit, whatever you
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would like to call it. And not even in this physical form, we're connected on these different
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levels in that way. And it's the relationships we build over time. Even meeting you today,
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we now have this dotted line connection, right? And who knows, maybe we've been connected
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before in a different way. And I'm sure if we really wanted to geek out, we could analyze
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our LinkedIn profiles and find other points, you know, of mutual connections that eventually
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overlap. In that way, I really do believe that, yes, we're all connected. It's just whatever
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way you want to look at it.
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Okay. All right. Do you mind a personal question?
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Sure.
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Okay. You already agreed. No, I'm just kidding you.
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There are, you mentioned your husband, and you made it sound like that was past tense.
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And so many people that have NDEs end up having a divorce not too long after. Would you mind
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telling us a little bit about that? And if your NDE had anything to do with it?
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Absolutely. I'd love to. Thank you for the question. So, yes, I was married at the time.
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It was my first and only marriage so far to a good man. His name is Mike. He literally
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saved my life with his decision to life like me and to go against the doctor's prognosis.
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So Mike had some trauma earlier in his life. He was the oldest of three brothers. His youngest
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brother, unfortunately, committed suicide when his brother was only 19. Okay. So fast forward
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to now the NDE experience where this man is being told that, okay, you have this newborn
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daughter. She's a NICU because she's underweight. Your wife's going to die. Have fun, basically.
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Right? I mean, that's terrifying. That's a lot of handle. And he was there every single
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day. I mean, he stayed with me when I was unconscious when he had to choose between
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being with me in Virginia or the baby in North Carolina. He stepped up and he stayed by my
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side and so grateful. But he remained strong through that experience. But afterwards, I
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do believe that it triggered some of that past trauma for him. I mean, that's so hard
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to go through. I mean, he didn't get a break, right? He went right back to work after that,
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after being in the hospital for three weeks, being told your wife's going to die after
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you've planned for nine months to have this happy family. And so again, I'm being so open
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about this because I do believe it's very important for the awareness that there were
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substance abuse issues involved from that point on to deal with the trauma. And that's
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ultimately what did deteriorate our marriage. And I don't think an NDE, like if you have
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an NDE, oh, you're going to get divorced. I don't think that's how it works. I do think
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just be prepared to go to therapy, to take walks, to, I know, go hiking, take vacations,
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to hide out in a cave, do whatever you need to, to give yourself time. You have got to
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process and integrate everything that's happened and to learn how to cope with that trauma
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because it is such an intense thing to go through for the friends and family members.
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That's a good explanation. How much fear do you have of death since this happened? I'm
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not saying want to die. I mean, is there fear there?
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So I'm not going to lie. I'm scared of the process of dying, right? Like if I want someone
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like stab me with a sword, that sounds horrible. But of actual death itself, I'm totally
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cool with it because I feel like, I mean, you can tap into that place of warmth and love
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and bliss that people get to. In an NDE, you can tap into that in real life right now.
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It is possible. It's like a feeling, a frequency. You can just feel it in your whole body. I'm
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getting it right now. It's awesome. We can always get back to that. So we're always kind
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of connected to it. So when we pass away, our physical body passes away. There's really
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no fear, right? We're going to be returned with our whole spirit and with our soul family
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or with whatever's next and take on the next challenge.
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Okay. I like that. Do you have any other messages today that you want to share with everybody?
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I guess if I had to say one thing just off the top of my head, it would have to do with
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the points of connection. It would have to do with looking at embeddings and thinking
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about not just processing things in life, but letting them integrate into yourself fully.
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And that's a whole other thing. But these connections are so important because even
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if you have not had an NDE or if you've had one and it's like way different from mine,
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there's still points in the story or I don't know, could be something as simple as the
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time of day that you watch this or this day and it's a special day because of this reason
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for you. Those have meaning and you don't have to have an NDE to derive that meaning
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to see these in everyday life. They're all around us all the time. And we are so, so
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loved even by living people, right? Like you and me. And I think that's that is the biggest
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message, right? These experiences are shown to us to really heighten humanity, to bring
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it back to the love, understanding the purpose, fulfillment, reason, things like that.
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What do people need to do today to fill some of that love and bliss you mentioned a minute
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ago?
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Great question. Maybe perhaps not be so quick to react to surface level topical things.
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Our natural state is abundance. Like one of the saying, another saying I love is emotion
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is energy in motion. I love that one. So if we're trying to feel that bliss and that
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love, we ourselves, yourself has got to reach that frequency. That's the best way that you
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can actually feel these feelings that you can feel the same thing as an NDE essentially.
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I mean, it really does. It feels the same. It's wild. It's all about frequency, energy.
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If you look at people like Dr. David Hawkins, he has something called the map of consciousness.
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It's a very basic experiment, but it's one of the only ones that we have to date where
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he logs emotions or behaviors with numbers, miracle values, and love is on the high scale.
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So yeah, the closer we can get to that, because they want to reach us, right? Like from that
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side, that love and stuff, like that's the goal here. So making yourself available to
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that, not getting logged down in the everyday stuff, not overreacting. There's lots of little
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things, little health well-being things for that.
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All right. Thanks a lot, Lisa. Appreciate you being with us today.
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Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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