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One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die?
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Is death the end or a new beginning?
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Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast.
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In this show, we listen to firsthand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and
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return to talk about it.
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We're taking a long trip today all the way down to Australia talking to Jacob King.
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Jacob, welcome to the show.
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Thanks, Eric.
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Where in Australia are you and what do you do there?
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Melbourne, Australia.
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I've done a lot of different things down here.
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I live kind of somewhat of a bag of all-night style, something like that.
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You could say I find all kinds of jobs to do.
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I don't like to stay in one position for very long.
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I was born in the backseat of a car on the side of the freeway.
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Emergency birth.
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And that kind of set the tone for my whole life.
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I've moved.
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I've probably lived in 50 different houses.
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I've probably worked 50 different jobs.
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I've gathered so many different skills and met so many different people from all around
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the country.
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And I enjoy it.
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Whenever I try to stay locked into one place, I start to feel like I'm dying on the inside.
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And I move and I explore something new, a new facet of life, a new facet of myself.
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And that's my lifestyle.
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That's great.
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So nothing's tying you down.
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You're not married with 10 kids and all that kind of stuff.
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Unmarried with zero kids.
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Well, anyway, welcome.
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We love to talk to people down there.
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One of my favorite interviews was Greg Keighley, if anybody wants to look it up and listen
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to him.
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He was just a stud Navy guy, talks about getting run over by a ship and stuff.
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And anyway, he's on one of the earlier podcast episodes.
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But we have a lot of listeners in Australia and New Zealand for some reason.
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Why is that?
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I don't know.
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I had no idea.
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But it's I'll tell you what, when you're down here, you wouldn't think that every now and
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then I've mentioned, you know, brief talks and my experience to people and they just
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think that you escape the psychiatric ward.
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So I'm not sure.
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It definitely doesn't feel like it when you hear.
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Okay.
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Well maybe that's why they're listening is because I mean, obviously there's a lot of
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people that have had these experiences, but if they don't talk about it, maybe they just
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want to listen.
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And it's one way they're coping with it at this point.
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And we've talked about this before.
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But you know, in the US anyway, and I know every country and culture is a little bit
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different.
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But you know, 30, 40 years ago, if you talked about your near death experience here, people
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did think you were crazy and they were just going to check you into the psych ward.
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And quite often doctors or nurses or family members would say, yeah, yeah, sure.
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That happened to you.
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But you know, don't talk about it because it's going to ruin the rest of your life.
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Anyway, it's nice that now people can be open.
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I know your experience happened just over a year ago.
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You haven't told many people yet.
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So we're honored to be able to listen.
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So Jacob, tell us a little bit about what led up to your near death experience and if
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it helps to give more background, go right ahead.
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Yeah, so I grew up and had a very rough childhood.
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And I literally found from the moment I was born, as I said, emergency birth in the car
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on the side of the freeway on a very cold day.
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My mom said that I was basically dead at birth.
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My skin had turned blue from how cold it was in the car.
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And so, you know, literally from my first breath, I was traumatized.
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I was damaged.
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And my father was extremely violent, extremely narcissistic, very, very damaged individual
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and kind of like that saying goes hurt people hurt people.
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And I was definitely on the receiving end of that.
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Very, very vicious memories from from childhood.
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My mother was quite mentally ill, drug addicted, things like that.
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Even though that was going on, we were a religious household.
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My parents both came to Australia from Egypt, and we were of a Coptic Orthodox background.
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So it's like, you know, very strict, sort of fundamentalist type of Christian.
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And you know, I was going to church all the time on Saturdays and Sundays, partly because
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I had to but partly it was just to get away from my dad who never went to church.
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And the more time I could spend away from him, the better.
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And as I was growing up, I was a very keen athlete.
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I loved playing sports.
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I would absolutely lose myself playing sports.
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My dream was, you know, as the dream of many kids are, I wanted to become a professional
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athlete.
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And I thought, you know, that's how I was going to make it out that type of dream.
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But that didn't come to pass.
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And when I after I finished high school, and I realized I wasn't going to become a professional
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at any any sports, my mental health really started to take a turn for the worse.
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But I started to feel very suicidal.
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And I remember the first time I really felt the temptation to commit suicide, I think
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that was about 18 or 19 years old.
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That stayed with me for a long, long time.
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I didn't stop feeling suicidal until maybe 12 years later or something like that.
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And along with that, when you're on death's door, mentally speaking, and you want to commit
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suicide, you you turn to drugs to numb the pain.
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I mean, you can say to pit you can judge people you want for taking drugs, but a lot of time,
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that's the lesser of two evils for them.
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And that was definitely the case for me.
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So you know, for me, it was mostly cannabis and alcohol, which, you know, not hard drugs
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by any means, but I was on and off with those things.
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I was always trying to develop my spiritual life on the inside, I always felt a calling
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a pull on the inside to go towards spirituality, because I knew that something about the spiritual
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stuff I know that will satisfy me and heal me on the inside.
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And it took me a while before it really started to make sense.
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In the meantime, I made over a handful of suicide attempts.
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So I didn't have any MDEs that I could remember from my suicide attempts.
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But there was one time, I believe it was 2017.
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I woke up in an ambulance after after one of my attempts.
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I got taken to the hospital and my girlfriend met me there.
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And the first thing I said to her was, I need to start doing martial arts.
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And she was like, you can barely talk right now.
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Like, you've lost your job, you got no money, you just became homeless.
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And you're talking about joining a martial arts club.
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I was like, I don't care.
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That's all I'm going to do.
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And it was just so random.
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And looking back on it, now I think I must have had an NDE and they must have told me
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you need to start practicing martial arts as your catharsis on earth.
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It must have been because that's the only way I can explain that.
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And long story short, I did join a martial arts gym.
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I found a coach there who really resembled my father in a lot of ways.
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He looked a lot like my dad.
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He had the exact same type of build, the same type of body, the same kind of raw power,
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strength, that alpha behavior, all of it.
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But he was much more calm and composed and he had his healthy outlet for his masculine
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behavior.
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Yeah, he kept it under control.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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My father never had, he needed to go to the gym.
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My father needed a boxing club or something like that.
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But he didn't have that.
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So I was his boxing bag, you know.
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But this guy who was my coach, we'll just call him Coach Vic, he often would trigger
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me in a lot of ways where I would kind of snap at him like as if, you know, it's like
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I was working out things with my dad with him and he would always forgive me, which
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was interesting.
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And he really, he didn't have a son.
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He had four daughters.
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He always wanted a son.
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And I sort of became like that son that he wanted to have, you know.
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It was interesting because it really became a healing journey for both of us.
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And as time went on, I got better and better at martial arts and I was mainly doing Brazilian
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Jiu Jitsu and I started competing in tournaments and I started winning these tournaments and
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I was really like flying high.
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You know, I was, I started to really focus in eating healthy, not doing drugs, all of
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that good stuff.
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And that lasted for a good few years until the lockdowns hit in 2020.
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If you remember anything, if you've heard anything about the meltdown lockdown in 2020,
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2021, they were the strictest in the world outside of China.
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We couldn't leave our homes more than three miles and only for essential purposes.
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And if we wanted to go out and exercise, we could walk for like an hour or two and that's
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it.
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There was no clubs.
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There was no training.
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And that was my therapy.
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And I tried my best to keep it together during that time.
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I know it's meditation and prayer and all these things.
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And I was trying my best, but I fell apart.
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I couldn't keep it together for long.
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And I fell into the drugs and alcohol very, very heavily, even worse than before.
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Drinking all day, every day, smoking all day, every day, and some harder drugs that I want
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to get into.
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But it was a rough time for me and I became very, very suicidal.
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And that continued up until that sinful night in October 2021.
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And having the same old routine that I had every night after getting my paycheck where
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I could afford to go out and get all the expensive drugs that were really going to numb the pain
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and that.
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I took that chemical cocktail as I usually did, but I had a completely different experience
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this time.
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And I've never been the same since that night.
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Well, take a breath and let's go ahead and get into it.
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So what happened was then I was just doing my thing.
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I was in my room by myself and I just passed out.
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I passed out and when I passed out, I was instantly somewhere else, a very dark place,
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completely black all around me.
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And I was conscious and I was just like, okay, what is this?
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What just happened?
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I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful, soothing,
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loving energy.
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It was something that I've never felt before, never experienced here on earth, anything
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like that.
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And it felt a bit like if you hug someone that you haven't seen for a long time and
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when you hug them, you can sort of melt into their arms.
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It felt like that, but times a hundred or times a thousand, well beyond anything that
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it's like the human brain has a limit on the chemicals it can produce to make you feel
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good.
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And it's way beyond that.
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The human brain cannot create these kinds of sensations.
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I've mentioned this before.
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In fact, a few times, I hope people don't mind me mentioning it again, because we had
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a guest describe this love in what I thought was the greatest way.
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It fits with what you just said.
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And that is he said it felt like a hug from a thousand grandmas all at the same time.
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I don't even know if that does it justice.
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I mean, it really does.
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I've been trying to think about a way to describe this love for the longest time.
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Put it this way.
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When I felt this love, I was intimidated by it, which sounds like an oxymoron.
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How can you be intimidated by love?
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I was genuinely intimidated at the power of it.
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Calling it love almost seems like the wrong word to use.
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I think we need a stronger word than that, like cosmic love or something.
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It was like all the power of all the universes was being run by this love.
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And all that love was surrounding and enveloping me.
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So this wasn't the kind of thing you've ever felt with alcohol and drugs before.
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This was completely different.
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Completely.
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Enough that I know it changed your life in many ways.
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Yeah.
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OK, keep going.
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As my brain is still working, I'm feeling my bones relax and my cells are...
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I feel every cell in my body telling me, oh, we're going to turn off now.
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We're not needed anymore.
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Our job is done.
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And the cells in my body just gave up.
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And I was still there when I could just feel this energy.
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And I remembered this energy from somewhere.
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It felt familiar.
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And I was trying to think, where do I remember this energy from?
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Scanning through all my life.
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And I was able to scan through my whole life within a second.
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It was not a life review.
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Something else.
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It was just a quick scan throughout, looking for that energy.
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And then I went before my life.
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And that's when I remembered it.
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And I said, oh, I spent time in this energy before I was born.
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This is God's energy.
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Oh, God's given me a hard ride now.
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I'm back with God again.
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I just felt this almighty release like, wow, I'm back.
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I'm back home again.
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Every single thing I wanted to experience on Earth, all the pleasure, all the love,
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the drugs, the women, you name it, everything I was chasing on Earth was like I was looking
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for this feeling again.
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And I didn't know it.
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And that's why nothing on Earth really satisfies us for very long.
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We're always saying, I need more of this, or I'm having too much, or not enough.
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We never find that part of complete stillness, not for very long anyway.
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But now I found it.
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I found that thing that my soul was crying out for all this time.
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And I just wanted to stay there forever.
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And I melted into God's arms.
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And then he took me out of this black void sort of area.
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And I was instantly taken into another dimension.
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This other dimension looked a lot like space, but the stars that were everywhere were emanating
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these beautiful colors, these beautiful lights that were changing.
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They were dynamic.
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The lights were changing always.
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And as I was looking at all this, I could see God was gathering all these lights together.
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And these lights were responsive.
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They were conscious.
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And I felt like they were all souls.
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I don't want to say human souls, because human souls doesn't really make sense.
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They were souls.
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And he was gathering them all together.
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And he was kind of creating these effects that you could almost say it was like a display
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of fireworks.
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But that doesn't quite do it justice either.
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He was basically creating art with these lights, and the art was alive and changing and moving
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and evolving and revolving.
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And I was just so amazed and astonished at what I was looking at that I felt like it
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was too beautiful for me to handle.
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Like the sheer beauty of what I was experiencing was enough to kill me.
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If you've ever looked at something and you were in awe, multiply that awe over and over
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and over again, there's a point where there's too much awe and you're going to have a heart
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attack.
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Beyond awe.
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Yeah.
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Death by astonishment was what I was experiencing.
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And I was kind of like saying, oh God, this is getting too much.
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And God kind of, he kind of has a sense of humor.
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He kind of chuckled.
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He was like, just kick back and then like, I'm putting on a show for you.
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You just enjoy it.
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And he enjoyed giving me the service of a beauty that goes beyond any human comprehension
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and just letting me experience that.
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He loved giving me that service.
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He was so humble.
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He wasn't, he was very different to the religious God I was taught about grounding out.
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He wasn't judging me for being a drug addict and suicidal guy.
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He was just like, I'm here to serve you.
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I'm here to heal you.
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I love you.
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That is so cool.
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Was there sort of a progress like this all happened at the first and then was there a
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next step to this?
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Maybe just tell me what you remember next.
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I remember it like sequentially, but when I was there, there was no sense of time.
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I can only translate it into time when I'm here.
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Right.
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Because it's just the way the human brain works.
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I'm limited by that again, unfortunately.
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But so yeah, I do remember it sequentially.
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Anyways, the next thing I remember was we started flying through all of these lights
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and through all of this artwork and everything that it was creating.
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And as I was flying through it, it was like I was experiencing all of the love and all
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the beauty and all of it as I was experiencing the inertia of the flights.
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And the flying felt a bit like flying underwater.
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You know, if you ever swam underwater, if you've ever, you know, sort of flown as well,
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like it's the same sort of thing at the same time.
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Because it's three dimensional.
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You're not limited to just walking along a sidewalk.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Up, down, side, side to side.
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Yeah.
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It's all of it at once.
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It's there's no limits there.
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Before you go on, you just mentioned we.
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So this was you felt like you and God doing this traveling together.
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Absolutely.
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Was it a seeing this being or just feeling this being a good question?
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It was just feeling there was no I know most people say they saw God as a white light.
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I don't recall seeing him as a white light.
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I recall him being completely invisible, but he may as well have been visible.
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I knew exactly where he was.
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You can feel the energy coming off of God.
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And God was not limited by any form.
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I didn't just feel like God was next to me.
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I felt like this whole area I was in was God and everything I was saying was God.
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But it was like a piece of God just came to hang out with me as well, if that makes any
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sense.
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Um, there is actually a verse in the Bible that said it's something like definition of
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God being that in which we move and have our being.
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It was all of it at once, which I know is hard to understand.
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It's hard to describe that.
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But anyways, he was always sort of on my left side and I was always on his right side throughout
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this whole experience.
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And as we were flying through and experiencing all this, it was getting really, really, really
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intense and we approached this large tower and this tower was made out of light, same
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kind of light that all the stars were made out of.
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And I looked up at this tower as we got to it and I couldn't see the top of it.
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And we started to fly up the side of this tower going towards the top of it.
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And the speed was increasing, increasing, increasing.
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And the inertia was getting really formed and I started to feel like I was reaching
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my breaking point.
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It was like, oh, like another ounce of this.
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And I think I might just completely eviscerate.
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It's getting too much.
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The love, the inertia, the excitement, the beauty, all of it, too much.
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I'm about to lose it.
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I'm about to die.
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And just as I got to within a whisker of feeling like I was about to die, we made it to the
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top of this tower.
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And I took a breather and I was like, whoa, nearly lost it there.
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And then I looked around and I just, I could see from the top of this tower looking out
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and I could see billions and billions of these light-filled alps that were just in view.
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It was a bit like, it's a bit like the sand on the beach, but imagine if you could see
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each piece of sand on the beach at the same time and each piece of sand was conscious
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and beautiful and you could experience each piece of sand individually.
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But it was all spread out the same way as it is when you look out at the ocean as far
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as the eye can see.
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Feeling, I mean, to call that breathtaking is a huge understatement.
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And I just took it all in and God was to my side and on my left.
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I could feel what God was going to do next.
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And the next thing we were going to do is we were going to fly through that.
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And I was like, oh God, wait a minute.
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And nearly died coming up this tower.
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I could, I barely held on.
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If I go through that, I'm dead for sure.
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For sure I'm dead.
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And he just said, yes, I saw that.
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All right, okay, let's do it.
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Which I know sounds crazy from a human perspective, but being in front of God, there was so much
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trust, so much faith.
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I didn't just trust him.
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It was like, he is wisdom.
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He is knowledge.
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So if he says it's okay to do this, like, I'm not going to trust my thinking over his
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thinking.
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You know?
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So I just said, all right, it's so I'm going to die.
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I'm going to die.
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And he picked me up like I was a paper plane.
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And he just threw me and I started sailing through all this light.
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Same thing again, the inertia, the love, the beauty, all of it increasing and increasing
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and increasing.
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And I got to that same point where I thought, oh, this is too much.
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Oh God, I'm about to die.
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I'm about to die.
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And it kept increasing.
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And I got past that point of feeling like I was going to die.
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And when I got past that point of feeling like I was about to die, when I got past that
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point, I started to feel like my skin was being pulled off me.
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My bones, my muscles, all the human layers were just coming off one by one by one.
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There was no pain.
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And it felt like taking off a tight shoe.
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Just this release of energy and all the trauma from my childhood just came off.
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Wow, it's just beautiful.
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It's like, oh, yeah.
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Keep taking off these layers.
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So it was like the human identity, the ego was dying.
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It was just one layer after another until I got to the last layer.
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And when I got to the last layer, I started to feel a little bit worried.
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I started to feel like, oh, when this last layer goes, there's nothing left.
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I wonder what happens then.
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And we kept flying and flying and this last layer wouldn't dissolve.
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It stayed.
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And I was like, man, whatever layer this is that can survive this, that's a very special
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layer.
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I wonder what that is.
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And then when I thought that, God stopped me from flying.
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And he just, he picked me up and it was like picking up, you know, one of those grains
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of sand.
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And he just held me and then I was able to see this layer from his perspective.
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So I was looking at myself through his eyes.
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And he showed me this was just like a little white light that was inside.
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That was like the light of my soul.
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And this layer did not dissolve in this area.
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And this, this little white light looked just like all the lights around me, but without
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the dynamic color changing, it was just the pure black canvas.
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And he said, you see this right here, no matter what you've been through, no matter what you
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will go through, this is eternal, this does not change.
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This is who you really are.
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Remember this.
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And he just rolled me like rolling a marble out of his hand.
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And I joined all the other lights and it felt like a drop of water joining the ocean again.
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And I became one with all the lights.
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I joined all of them and we became one unified being.
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Me and all the billions of lights became one.
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And when I became one with all the lights, I felt like I became one with God.
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I became just like God.
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There was no, not even one little millimeter of humanity left in me.
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It was just, I was one with God.
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To call that bliss and ecstasy is a huge understatement.
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It was the most, I felt a sense of belonging, like this was the source of my being.
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The absolute beginning of who I was was this before I was separated from God.
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And I just felt like I'm back home again and that's it.
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There's nothing, there's nothing left of me, Jacob, the human.
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It's just me, one with God, one with everything.
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And I stayed there for what felt like eternity, but it's hard to say that because obviously
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I came out of it again.
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And I stayed there forever long.
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I needed to stay there.
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And God plucked me back out again.
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And when God plucked me back out, he just held me in his hand and I saw an image appear,
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just like this image materialized of this body here back on earth, passed out.
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And I was like, oh, forgot about that guy.
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Yeah, that's what I came from.
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And then I realized, are you going to send me back to that again, aren't you?
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He said yes.
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And I said, okay, wait, before you send me back, can I ask some questions?
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He said yes.
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And I started to think like a human again.
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I remembered what it was like to be a human.
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And what went through my mind was when I get back to being a human, there's a lot of things
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I know I want to ask you, God.
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So I'm going to get that out of the way now so I don't regret the time I spent here.
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And they said, first of all, how can I go from all of this, all this love and this beauty
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and everything to going back to that?
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It's too much of a contrast.
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I cannot go back to that and just go back to being the same drug addict, depressed,
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suicidal, bye again.
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I cannot.
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And all he said was, that's okay.
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And when he said that's okay, what was embedded in that vibration was, I do not judge you
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for everything you've been through.
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So the way you've handled your pain and all the decisions you made with the resources
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that you had, I understand.
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I'm not here to judge you.
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It's okay.
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And it was complete love and complete acceptance without an ounce of judgment.
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And I felt good, you know, because with my religious upbringing, I was going to hell
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for sure.
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And he said, no, it's okay.
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And I said, okay, but when I go back, I'm going to want to tell everyone about this
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and they're not going to believe me.
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I mentioned some names.
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I said, oh, my cousin, my mother can reenact it.
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Go to fear.
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Can you show them this love as well?
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Can you let them experience this?
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And then he said, well, that's what you're there for.
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So you were sent back with a message.
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00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Yeah.
482
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,800
But I struggled when he told me that.
483
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,280
How can I show you this love?
484
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,280
That's not possible.
485
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,600
I'm not, no one would ever experience this kind of love.
486
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400
And he said, just ask me for help.
487
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,520
You can do that.
488
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:48,680
And when you asked me for help, ask to help to become an outlet for this love.
489
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,040
And I thought outlet is a very interesting word to use here.
490
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,440
I thought about this a lot when I got back.
491
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,520
Like I don't have to produce this love because I'm not capable of it.
492
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:04,240
All I have to do is move out of the way and the love will just flow right through me.
493
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,640
And I said, okay, I'll do that.
494
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,920
But what is so much harder on earth.
495
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,400
Like it feels so easy up here.
496
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,920
When you're down there, it's a lot more confusing.
497
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,960
I cannot go back to being that same guy.
498
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,960
I can't.
499
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,480
And I definitely can't go there and lose touch with you again.
500
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,200
If I lose my connection with you again, God.
501
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,720
And I was just, I started to really like panic a little bit, like that's not going to happen.
502
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,920
Then it's not going to happen.
503
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,120
And then he stopped me and he said, I am you.
504
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,040
And then I stopped and I again, I struggled.
505
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,040
I couldn't accept it.
506
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,960
What do you mean you are me?
507
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,960
Yeah.
508
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,960
What did that mean?
509
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,520
So I asked him, he could see I couldn't accept it.
510
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:54,480
And what happened was I was back in the sort of like an ethereal type of human body back
511
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,560
there again.
512
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:02,040
And out of this, out of my forehead, shot out this giant eye, a giant golden eye came
513
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,280
out of my forehead and it was looking at me, but it was strange because it was coming from
514
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,920
me, but looking back at me.
515
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:20,360
And he said, I am viewing your life and experiencing your life through you as you.
516
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,200
You and me are one.
517
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,120
And he sort of gave me this hint through not through words, but through vibration.
518
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:33,360
If you just tap into that third eye there, you can tap into me.
519
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,880
And I didn't understand it really.
520
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:42,960
And then I was sent back and I just woke up the next day feeling very groggy and hungover
521
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:49,480
and very confused, very confused, bewildered, beyond belief.
522
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,000
I started crying when I woke up.
523
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,360
I was just crying and that wasn't a drug trip.
524
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,360
Was it a drug trip?
525
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,400
Did drugs do that to people?
526
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,360
What happened last night?
527
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,040
And then I was like, oh, let's see.
528
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,080
I rolled myself a cigarette.
529
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,080
I went to the park.
530
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,080
I sat down.
531
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:13,760
I sat down at the park and I thought, I thought long and hard, what just, have I lost my mind?
532
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,760
What was that?
533
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Okay.
534
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,280
If I was with God, why am I smoking a cigarette the next day?
535
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,200
Wouldn't all that stop going away?
536
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:27,960
And then I was looking out and I realized something strange was I was no longer seeing with my
537
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,280
eyes.
538
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,360
I felt like I was seeing through my eyes.
539
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,080
My eyes felt like windows now.
540
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,720
And I thought about that third eye thing and I thought, oh, I'm seeing through something
541
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,720
else now.
542
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,520
I'm seeing things in a different way, through a different lens, literally through a different
543
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,520
lens.
544
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,720
I started getting downloads coming in and the first download that came in was the story
545
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,960
of the prodigal son.
546
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,400
And the prodigal son, he, somebody grows up in the palace with his father and he says,
547
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,760
I want to go out and experience the world.
548
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,080
He goes out and experiences the world.
549
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,080
He comes back.
550
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,080
Sorry.
551
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,560
And while he's experiencing the world, he ends up getting ruined and living with pigs
552
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,520
and eating pig slop at the pig farm.
553
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,560
And he's just absolutely ruined and over it, he says, let's sit and go back home again,
554
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,680
some of that, some of that rightful place.
555
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,320
And that's kind of what happened with me, but I understood it from a different perspective
556
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,640
of shifting out of the ego.
557
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,000
The development of the ego was the thing that is going out to interact with the world, to
558
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,360
become a worldly person.
559
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,360
Yes, I'm Jacob King, I'm a this, I'm a that, I'm a that, but I'm not any of that.
560
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,920
All I really am is the soul of life within that is directly connected with God.
561
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,600
And when I got sick of the ego and how it ruined me and drove me to utter despair and
562
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:57,040
suicidality, then that was my time to return home and be with God again.
563
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:03,320
Let's just finish the story of the prodigal son and how it fit with your experience.
564
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,920
He's ready to go back and just be a servant, right, to his father.
565
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,200
He doesn't think his father's even going to take him back for all the things he's done,
566
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,960
the fortune he's burned through, etc.
567
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:22,240
And what his father does is immediately forgives him, puts a coat on him, throws a big feast,
568
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,880
a big party.
569
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:31,680
There's not, there's not like a year of, you know, repent, do penance and all this kind
570
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,000
of stuff.
571
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,280
It's an immediate forgiveness.
572
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:41,080
Yeah, and it seems like you and many other people have felt that.
573
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,000
Yeah, it definitely was.
574
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:51,720
And I, it was an adjustment process still, like it wasn't all, you know, sunshine and
575
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,720
rainbows when I got back.
576
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,080
No, that's often the hard part.
577
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,120
Yeah, it really is.
578
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Because you've experienced something that is so amazing and your experience is amazing.
579
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,960
I thank you very much for sharing, by the way.
580
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:17,980
It's hard to go from that to back to, I'll just call it reality here on earth, where
581
00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:23,740
things are tough and that love that you just experienced, I don't know how to experience
582
00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:28,640
it here, at least not to that kind of degree.
583
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,560
So you miss that, right?
584
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,960
You know, I, that was part of the adjustment process was I did miss it.
585
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,740
The first two months or so, two, three months that I was back, I was swinging wildly in
586
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:42,920
between states of bliss and states of despair.
587
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,040
And I could go back and forth multiple times a day.
588
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,940
I was crying every single day, bawling my eyes out.
589
00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:55,240
I was out of bliss and sometimes out of despair and sometimes both at the same time.
590
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:57,560
And I knew I looked like a right mental case.
591
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:04,840
Like as time went on, I, you know, for a while I gave up the drugs and alcohol and that,
592
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,000
but I was still very confused with the world.
593
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,560
The world still had its grip on me.
594
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,840
I was kind of like working a new job and I was ambitious and motivated, had all the ego
595
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,720
drives still there.
596
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:22,480
But it was sort of mixed in with this, I don't know what you call it, but the godliness,
597
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,240
that vibration was there too.
598
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,080
And it was kind of tainted, you know, by all of that.
599
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:36,080
The first thing I realized was that women were the distraction, the lust and the pleasures
600
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:44,120
of the flesh were a huge distraction from that pure vibration of God within.
601
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Not to say that, you know, people were married and all that, no, nothing.
602
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:54,360
It was just people who are obsessed with lust and that never ending desire to satisfy the
603
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,800
body which can never really be satisfied.
604
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,920
No one is chasing sexual pleasure ever gets talking about where they go, oh, I'm satisfied
605
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,960
now I've had my fill, nice.
606
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,240
You just keep chasing it.
607
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,820
It's a bottomless pit.
608
00:36:06,820 --> 00:36:09,560
And that's, I realized like, okay, I can't do that anymore.
609
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,400
So I had to break open my girlfriend.
610
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,440
I mean, being in a toxic work environment full of guys who were bullying each other
611
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,360
and being mean and doing this and doing that and we're fighting was necessary.
612
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,000
I couldn't do that anymore.
613
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,480
People would disrespect me and I was just like, I don't even feel like fighting back
614
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,480
anymore.
615
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,760
I don't feel like being the dominant guy anymore.
616
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,960
This just doesn't interest me now.
617
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,380
So I couldn't master that job anymore.
618
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:40,120
And then that was just like one thing after another.
619
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,480
This was the process of me dying to the world.
620
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,560
And let me tell you, at one point I became very sour because I was not expecting it to
621
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,560
be like this.
622
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,840
I thought when I got back that that's it, I was enlightened.
623
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,880
It's gonna be easy.
624
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:53,880
Oh, no.
625
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,800
No, no, it doesn't work that way.
626
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,680
It's much more difficult than that.
627
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,880
Yeah, I started to doubt my experience.
628
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,040
I started to think, well, maybe this was just a drug hallucination thing because I'm a mess.
629
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,400
I'm more of a mess now than I was before I left.
630
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,400
I got sour.
631
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,400
I'll be honest.
632
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,080
I got very angry with God.
633
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,600
And I was like, whether or not this experience was real, if you're real, why is this happening
634
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,600
to me?
635
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,840
Why are people, either when they're meeting you or believing they met you, like you shouldn't
636
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,840
be letting this happen.
637
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,560
Are you even real?
638
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,720
And I tried to convince myself that my NDE was fake, but I just couldn't.
639
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:40,880
There was too many gifts that came after my return that I couldn't deny.
640
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,280
I could not rationalize them.
641
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,800
And some of them just seemed really silly.
642
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,120
I'll give you one example.
643
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:55,680
The one time I was at home and this was early 2022 and I just returned to the drugs and
644
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,800
alcohol again to numb my despair.
645
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,320
And I had ordered a pizza, which was being delivered to the house and I thought, I feel
646
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,240
like doing something nice for the delivery driver.
647
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,560
I'm going to give him a big tip.
648
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,400
I mean, I got some money.
649
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,480
As I collected the money, I heard a voice in my head.
650
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,000
The voice in my head said, you're going to be too embarrassed to give that tip to the
651
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
driver.
652
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,280
Well, not what's so embarrassing about giving a tip to the driver.
653
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,080
I just tried to ignore it.
654
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,760
And then I was waiting by the door and I could see out the driver's door came a woman that
655
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,960
I used to go to church with when I was younger.
656
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,160
And I was like, oh, I can't barely see me drunk like this.
657
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,160
And I got too embarrassed.
658
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,840
I thought, oh no.
659
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,440
And there were so many things happening like that where this communication coming from
660
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,200
the other side in ways that I can't deny, I cannot rationalize it away.
661
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,340
I had to come to terms with what was happening.
662
00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:55,800
And the image that kept coming to my mind throughout this depression was about this
663
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,120
ego that I experienced when I was flying through with the lights and I could feel all the layers
664
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,760
of my human identity come off me.
665
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,520
That image was constantly being beamed into my mind.
666
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,560
They're saying, remember, remember.
667
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:16,200
And at some point I was resigned to the fact that I was basically going through the earth
668
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,480
version of that, but it wasn't fun and it was not blissful.
669
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,320
It was very painful.
670
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:32,080
And when I got out of that was later on in 2022, so not too long ago, where I was driving
671
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,680
and somebody got really aggressive with me on the road.
672
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,600
And usually I'm the kind of guy all my life, you want to road rage with me, you road rage
673
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:40,600
with the wrong guy.
674
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,600
Like I'm crazy.
675
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:48,120
And I had this shift in perspective where I just felt to my very core, like I was just
676
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,080
dying and I was done with this world.
677
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,320
And I thought, you know what, you're still playing that human game.
678
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,680
It means so much for you to get in front of me and act like that.
679
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:57,980
Go for it.
680
00:39:57,980 --> 00:39:59,760
And I gave it a gate in space.
681
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,000
And then I started giving other people space and I started serving other people on the
682
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,300
road.
683
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:09,340
And when that happened, I felt like a little door open up within me.
684
00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:13,920
And it's like I walked into this inner door and I was back surrounded by the love and
685
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,920
the peace again.
686
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,640
And I was like, you made it.
687
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,640
You made it.
688
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,640
You figured it out.
689
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,600
You made that one step anyway.
690
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,200
And there's lots more steps.
691
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,520
Yeah, a hundred percent.
692
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,840
And it's a constant thing.
693
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,960
So now it's just like being in the present moment all the time.
694
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,360
And whenever I do something that gets me out of the present moment, out of the state of
695
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,320
flow, these things are what is called sin.
696
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,160
Whenever I sin, I lose my connection with God.
697
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,000
I lose that inner peace, that inner serenity.
698
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,880
I'm not trying to think what is seen.
699
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,440
I'm not doing it because it's right or wrong.
700
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,040
I'm doing as Jesus said, and being like a little child.
701
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Little child doesn't go and hug his mom because it's the right thing to do.
702
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,040
He's just doing what he's feeling in the moment.
703
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,960
And that's how I'm living my life.
704
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960
And it's worked wonders.
705
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,720
It's been amazing.
706
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:09,640
And I haven't been the same since then.
707
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,640
All right.
708
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,640
Let me ask you a hard one.
709
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,640
Sure.
710
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,400
So from the things that happened in your childhood, you carried a lot of baggage and hurt and
711
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,160
I assume anger and pain.
712
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,280
We'll just call it PTSD for a big general term here.
713
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,240
How much of that was in those layers that just wiped away?
714
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,960
Or how much did you still come back with and have to deal with?
715
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,520
I still had to deal with all of it when I came back.
716
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,360
But in the experience, I lost it all.
717
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:49,440
What I experienced when I came back was my experience was more of almost like a trailer,
718
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,760
almost like a lesson.
719
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,280
What happens with this experience when you stop identifying with the human layers and
720
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,720
you identify with something deeper.
721
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:05,680
But see, once I came back to earth, I'm back in all the human layers.
722
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,380
Look, I'm in a body.
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The layers are back.
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My nervous system remembers all the things that I went through.
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I still have my triggers.
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I still get angry and snappy.
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But because I identify with something deeper, those layers are slowly dissolving energetically.
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NDEs are no shortcut to, at least for me, it was not a shortcut for healing.
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And I felt one of the things I felt very strongly upon returning was you're going to have to
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learn how to heal so you can show others how to heal as well.
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Because there are a lot of people who are listening to these NDEs going, oh, I could
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have one, then everything would be all right.
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It's not quite.
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It's not quite.
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But the things that I had to do to learn to heal and to recover and restore myself are
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things that everybody else can do as well.
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So how are you helping people do that now?
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Well, I'm still healing myself.
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So I actually am in touch with Greg Shealy, who is one of your former guests, that he's
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a hypnotherapist now.
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And he's been giving me great sessions on releasing all the pent-up trauma stored within
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me.
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And I'm just, I'm not going out and choosing to do anything.
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I'm just being in the flow state.
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And when I'm in the flow state, God is putting me in places in bizarre scenarios where I'm
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just happened to meet the right person who needs to hear the right thing at the right
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time.
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I could literally be at my mate's house and somebody calls him and asks him a question.
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He says, oh, I don't know, but this guy knows.
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And then he'll give me the phone and I'll start talking to his friend and we'll have
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a 45 minute conversation.
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I'm going to turn around and my mates fall asleep on the couch.
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Things like that.
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It's like almost every day I'm experiencing miracles, but I'm not creating the miracles.
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I'm just being the outlet.
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I'm just being in the flow state.
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I'm not thinking about it.
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It's I have a lot of lessons that I've learned, a lot of things that I've experienced.
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And I'm just sharing that when the time is right.
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I am starting up a YouTube channel and I have so many lessons that I want to share with
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people.
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I'll be watching.
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Yeah.
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I'll be your first fan on there.
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How's that?
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Thanks, man.
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I know you came back with a message and you've told us what that is in many ways, but if
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you were to summarize, if somebody were to say, wow, you had an amazing NDE in 15 or
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30 seconds, what is the message?
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What is the message for me from Jacob who got it from God during this NDE?
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God is running the show and not you.
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And all the impulses you feel, all the things running through you, a lot of these things
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are coming from outside and we need to trust God and be open.
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And the only way that can happen is if we can enter into the flow state, enter into
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the present moment right now.
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And we can learn these things through meditation, through being loving and kind towards others.
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And if we can enter into that flow state, then it's like kind of giving the steering
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wheel back to God again.
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And you watch the magic unfold in your own life.
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It's better than anything you could create on your own.
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Get out of the way and trust God.
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That's awesome.
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Jacob, thank you so much.
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Thank you, Eric.
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I appreciate it.
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If you have had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear about it.
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Send an email to eric at roundtripdeath.com.
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And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting, if it's given you just a little
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more hope in the future, share it with a friend, hit that follow button and take a few seconds
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to write us a review.
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Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and
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the next.
