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One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die?
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Is death the end or a new beginning?
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Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast.
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In this show, we listen to first-hand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and
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return to talk about it.
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We are happy to have on the line with us this morning, Kristen Butler.
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Kristen, good morning.
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Good morning.
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Tell us just a little bit about you so all those out there listening can get to know
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you and we have listeners all over the world.
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So first of all, where do you live?
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I live in California, in the Central Valley.
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Lived here my whole life.
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A little bit about myself.
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I recently graduated with my bachelor's of science in psychology.
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It's been something that I've always wanted to study.
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So I finally went back to school and got it done and I'm planning on going back for my
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master's in business administration and with a concentration in human resources.
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I want to use my education to help businesses with the psychology of their employees.
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I'm a single mother.
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I have two special needs kids.
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One is autistic and the other has ADHD.
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So I always have my hands full.
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Always.
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There's never a dull moment.
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First of all, congratulations on the degree.
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You should be very proud of that.
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And yeah, that's a handful with a child on the spectrum, etc.
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It really is.
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So they basically take up all of my time.
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I do have some free time because right now I'm on a break from school.
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I graduated in June and my son had some medical needs that he needed to have taken care of.
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So I took some time off to take care of those medical needs and I'm planning on going back
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this year.
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And I'm not dealing with all of that or busy, busy in any free time I get.
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I do like to read.
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I'm a big reader.
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I like gardening and planning stuff and but mostly my time is spent with my kids.
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My faith is a big part of my life.
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Now I'm very involved and active in the church that I attend.
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So that takes up any free time.
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Do you mind if I ask before we get into your NDE, was your faith the same before?
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No.
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Your experience, did it change because of the experience?
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It changed.
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I wouldn't say because of my experience, but it changed in relation to my experience.
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So I was led to where I am after my experience through spiritual promptings and spiritual
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guidance.
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Well, let's go back in time about five years.
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Tell me what was going on health-wise that led up to this.
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Well, okay.
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So I had a couple issues going on.
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I had a severe dental infection going on and what actually caused the NDE was a laceration
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to my foot.
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I accidentally stepped on a drinking glass that was on the ground and I had flip-flops
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on.
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There was really no protection because the flip-flops slid out from underneath my foot
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when I stepped on the glass.
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And it wasn't just a regular thin drinking glass.
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It was one of those really thick, thick ones.
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And so yeah, it lacerated my foot about one or two inches into my foot.
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I noticed the blood immediately and I wrapped my foot or tried to wrap my foot and I started,
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I was losing blood and I started feeling really woozy.
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I was feeling really, really weak and I called 911.
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They came out and they would not transport me with my young son.
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And I've had a lot of people disagree with that saying they can't deny me care, but they
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did.
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It's what happened.
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They said, we cannot transport you with your two-year-old child.
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And I said, well, what am I supposed to do?
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I feel really weak.
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I feel really weird.
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And they said, well, just get to the hospital as soon as possible because you do need to
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be seen, but we can't transport you.
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I wasn't able to get anybody to help me with my son.
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I remember sitting there, they did bandage it, but I was still bleeding through the bandage.
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Or I remember sitting there watching the sunset and thinking to myself that it was so beautiful.
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And I felt like it was the last time I was ever going to see the sunset.
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And I was watching my son play in the dirt.
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And because I couldn't do anything, I was just sitting there like really lethargic.
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I ended up taking him in to go to bed.
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And it was after he had went to sleep, it was sometime in the middle of the night that
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I crossed over.
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Okay.
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So were you, some people would ask, were you asleep?
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Did you just dream something?
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A lot of people have asked that, but it was way more than any dream I've ever had.
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It was way too real.
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I remember at first I was hearing almost like spiritual screams of torment.
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And I was feeling really scared.
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And I felt like my life was like I was right on the cusp.
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It's hard to explain the feeling of being so close.
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And then I remember calling out to God saying that it was written that I'd never be left
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nor forsaken.
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And in that moment, if like my soul was just lifted up and like a hand grabbing me by the
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collar and like straight up speed of light and the light and love exploded all around
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me and through me, no longer in my body.
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Before you go on, can you fill in more detail?
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What if anything did you see?
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Did you hear?
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Did you feel what, what more detail, what was going on?
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So when I, in the place where I was hearing the spiritual screams and I felt like I was
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separated from love and from life and from everything, I felt like this separation, but
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it was all dark.
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I did not see anything whenever I did call out to God.
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And I said what I said, it was a bright flash whenever I felt like my body or not body,
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but my spirit was being pulled up.
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It was a bright flash of light, almost like a bluish white light.
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I don't know if it's really blue.
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It's colors are so it was, it was bright.
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And it exploded all around me and through me is what it felt like.
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It felt like I was being connected to source again.
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And in that moment, I was in an all white space.
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I mean, it wasn't white, like the color white.
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It was a bright, bright, like an, I can't explain exactly the color white, but it wasn't
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like the white of the wall.
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It was just, it was a bright light white.
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And I was then in a place of, okay, so to me, the only way I can describe it, it was
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like a waiting area, not a waiting room, not it would didn't have like waiting room across
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the top of it.
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It wasn't an actual room, but it was like this place of bright white light.
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And that's whenever I experienced my life review.
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Tell us about the life review.
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I was shown in that life review, planning this life with a council of others.
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And I was given such understanding, like my understanding of my life and things in my
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life completely just, it all made sense.
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And like I said, I was shown planning this life.
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And then I was shown different areas of my life where I had had angels that had watched
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over me or guidance that I had not known was there at that time.
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But I was shown in such detailed, a couple other points in my life where I was saved
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pretty much from some pretty bad things happening to me because it was, I don't want to say
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it was planned out, but there was guidance in those times.
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And it blew my understanding of what I was here to do and my life just so completely.
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And I didn't get to finish my whole life review.
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I got up to about the point where I was at.
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And during that time, there was like mediation going on around me about my life between two
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beings.
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And I did not see the beings per se, but I could hear it.
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I could hear the mediation going on about who I was and what I was here to do and the
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type of person I was.
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And it was decided that it was not my time and to send me back.
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And in that moment, I was like, my spirit was slammed back into my body.
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And that's the only way I could describe it was slammed into my body.
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And I took a breath and I woke up.
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This whole process of the spirit getting back in the body, of course, we don't know how
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that works.
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And I've had it described to me different ways, but some have said that word that you
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just use, like it was just slammed back in, almost like it took force and it hit really
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hard.
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Can you describe that more?
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It was more in my, it felt like it was in my chest where it was slammed back in.
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Like even whenever I'm describing it now, I could feel it in my heart, in my chest and
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almost like, I don't know how to describe it any more than that.
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But just like the feeling of being drawn up with such force, I was slammed with such force.
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So it was about the same amount of force, either direction.
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Okay.
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Interesting.
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Tell me about the very first thing you said you heard spiritual screams.
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Did you see anything and what do you think those screams were?
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I'm not really honestly for sure about what that was.
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I do know that the understanding that I received on that was before my NDE, I thought that
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this life was hell.
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I'd been through a lot of trauma, a lot of pain, and I thought for sure this life was
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hell that we were walking through hell trying to get to the other side.
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And I believe and the understanding that I received was that I was shown that instance
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or that stuff or not shown, but I heard it to show me that this life was not hell.
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And whenever I went through my life review and I received the understanding of us planning
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our life here was that this life is a gift.
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It's something that we wanted to come here and experience.
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We knew it was not going to be easy, but we wanted to come.
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Our souls wanted to come to grow.
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To me, the understanding I received was that I was shown that area or the lower depths
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or the lower frequencies because that's where I was centered at at the time of my NDE.
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I felt like this life was hell.
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I felt like this life was not worth living.
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And so those negative feelings held me down and was chaining me to that separation of
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the love because I felt separated from love here on earth before my NDE.
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Hmm, interesting.
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And that leads into what you were talking about in your life review that you first you
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saw that you had been part of planning your life.
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I don't get how that works.
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Tell me how that works.
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You know, it's hard to explain, but planning different areas or different circumstances
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in life, planning who my parents were planning, what I was going to experience here, planning
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what I was going to learn through those experiences if I chose to.
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And before coming here, we know who we are on a soul level.
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And it's like, yeah, I can do it.
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This is going to be a great ride.
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I know these things are going to be hard, but I can make it.
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And we have such a brightness of hope before coming because we know who we are on a soul
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level and that this is a place to, I wouldn't say learn and grow, but kind of sorta.
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It's like a test of our own spiritual nature and learning that love that we are.
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You know, we have to come and say, okay, we are this love that we have inside this brightness
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of love and hope and everything because that's who we are on a soul level.
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And can we get through all the mud and the muck and come out with the understanding of
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what we learn here?
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So you were going through some really hard things.
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Did you get any insight into, as you planned your life, do we plan in those really hard
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things too, or do we just plan on, hey, I need to learn this and this and that's how
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it happens?
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I do think that some of it is predestined.
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Our free will comes into play here because we have the choice of how we're going to react
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to those things that are planned.
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It's not going to be easy.
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And sometimes those things that are planned are not only for our benefit in the long run,
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but to help out humanity, to help out others who are going through it or have gone through
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it to help our fellow beings because we are all part of one source.
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We really are.
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And so whenever we can go through those things, we can help others go through those things
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and come out on the other side.
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But it is a choice.
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And sometimes before my NDE, I didn't feel like I had a choice.
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I didn't feel like I'd went through a lot of trauma, a lot of abuse.
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And I felt like, why?
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Why is this happening to me?
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What is it teaching me?
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Because I had been taught that our hardships are supposed to teach us something.
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So I always had that mindset of, okay, what is this supposed to teach me?
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But at some point, it all became a little bit too much.
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And I didn't understand what it was supposed to teach me.
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And I felt like my choice, I didn't have a choice.
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After my NDE, I realized that we do have the choice.
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We have the choice to grow and become more even through our trials.
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We are not just stuck in, you know, this is just who I am and this is what I've been through
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and it's created who I am.
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We do have the choice to learn and grow through those trials that we go through.
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And you mentioned the term predestined, were those things that came up through that planning
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that you're talking about planning your life?
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And if so, how does that relate to this free agency you're talking about?
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Even though things are predestined, we still have the choice, like I said, on how we react
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to it.
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We have the choice on how we if we let it crumble us, or if we take a path higher than
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what we feel we should, you know, a lot of people feel chained down by their trauma by
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their abuse by things that have happened in their past.
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And we really can break free if we change our mindset, change the way we think about
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those experiences and let it change us for the better.
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We either get bitter or we get better.
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So we can either reminisce and go over and be like, well, I'm this way because this trauma
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happened to me.
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I'm this way because my parents did this.
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I'm this way because this happened to me, instead of taking on the responsibility of
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ourselves to get better.
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There are tools, there are things, there's faith, there's things that can help us grow
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and that help us help other people as well.
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That's interesting.
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You said that you also in the Life Review saw how angels had watched over you and helped
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you in different things.
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Was that sort of a, I don't know, that sort of became clear to your mind or did you actually
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see it like watching a movie?
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I saw it.
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It's like a it's like watching a movie, but it's like telepathic images, you know, and
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it happens really quick.
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Yes, I did see that.
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And I remember there was an instant instance where I was in this, I was at this house,
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there was, it was not a good place.
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You know, there was drug activity going on and I had heard them talking about doing some
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not so good things to me.
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And but I didn't really think I thought, okay, maybe I'm just tripping.
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You know what I mean?
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But at this one point, I heard a loud voice in my head tell me get out and get out now.
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I mean, there was nobody in the house.
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There was, you know, it wasn't anybody.
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It was a spiritual get out.
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And I remember grabbing my stuff and running out of the house.
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And there was three people that was still there on the outside.
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And so after I'd left, I'd heard from other people that yeah, they had been planning on
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doing not good things to me, hurting me really badly.
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And they were surprised that they thought that somehow I knew and because I took off.
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And to me, I knew that that had happened.
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But at that point in time, I thought maybe I was just tripping.
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You know what I mean?
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Also before that, okay, now I got to back up a little bit.
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I had been electrocuted by a big door outdoor generator, I had touched a live nail.
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And I remember my vision going black, like one of those old time photographs, you know,
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whenever the person would stand behind the curtain and push a button and it would go,
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you know, and everything would go black and there'd be black suit everywhere.
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And that had happened.
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And then after that is whenever, like, I seem like the spiritual portion seemed to open
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up within me more so.
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And it was only like a few days or maybe a week after that happened.
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And I thought that I had died for three days and was transported to an alternate universe
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after I was electrocuted.
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So whenever I had heard the voice telling me to get out, or hearing things, I thought
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that I was that something had like happened in my mind, I'd went crazy or something.
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And in my life review, I was showing that instant that whole part and that it was that
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I was spiritually protected, you know, that I did have angels watching over me to protect
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me and to get me out of things that wasn't meant for me that wasn't part of my, my life
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planning.
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From time to time, I'll be on the freeway or stopping in a red light or something.
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And there's a really close call with another car almost hitting me.
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I mean, we've all been through those kinds of things.
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How do we know when those are just a, who boy, that was a lucky scrape with death or
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an angel actually helped us?
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Do you have any idea how we can know that?
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Because I wish I knew.
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I think it varies on person to person.
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Sometimes you can feel like, oh, man, that was a close call.
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And sometimes you can feel like, oh, man, someone, something had to have been protecting
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me from that, you know, or maybe it wasn't in the timeline, it wasn't planned.
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And so that's why it didn't actually hit.
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That's why it was a close call, because it wasn't something that you had planned throughout
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your life, you know.
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And sometimes those angels are there to protect you because it wasn't something that's planned
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for your life, you know.
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But we get those close calls and it makes us like, we knew that we were close to it,
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you know, because you can feel the spiritual nature of it, I would say.
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I have a feeling there's a lot of those.
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And if I look back over my life, I can think of so many close calls I've had from the time
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that I was a child on up, and I have a feeling if I someday go through that kind of a life
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review like you did, it's going to take me hours to say thank you to all those that helped
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in those times.
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You know, a lot of my life I felt alone.
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And through my experience, I realized that I'm not.
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And so that has been very life changing for me, even through a lot of the pain, a lot
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of the trauma, a lot of the abuse that I went through, or that I went through to know that
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if I was to just reach out and ask for that spiritual guidance and spiritual help, that
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I could be guided and I can be protected, because we do have angels that watch over
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us.
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All right, let's talk about how this changed you, if at all.
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Okay.
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You mentioned earlier about religion and spirituality a little bit.
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And on this program, we're certainly not pushing any particular religion at all, and rarely
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do we even mention names of religions.
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But tell me how this changed your path or your projectory in life, your projectory.
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What is the word I'm looking for?
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Your trajectory in life?
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How did things change after this?
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Okay, so I know that after I came back, I did feel connected to everything, everyone
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and everything.
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It was very confusing for me to be back in my body.
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It felt very weird.
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I know that in my younger years, I had been part of a religion, I was a Baptist, I did
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not go with my parents, I went on my own and I was baptized at 16.
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And I only was in that religion for maybe three years, but I did have a lot of, I guess,
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learning on Scripture, Scripture learning.
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But I had went through something that I had the pastor telling me that my walk with God
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was not right.
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And I remember telling him that, hey, it's my walk with God, who are you to tell me that
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my walk is not right?
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You know what I mean?
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Let me walk it, let God be the judge.
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And so I really disconnected from any form of religion because of that experience.
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And I would always tell people I'm not religious, I'm spiritual, which I hear that a lot from
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people now.
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And it's like, hey, I remember feeling the same way.
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I remember feeling, you know, I do believe in God, I do believe in Jesus Christ, but
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I don't believe in organized religion, manmade religion.
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I don't, you know, that's not my thing.
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And so before my experience, I had been, not directly before, but maybe six months before
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I had been, I felt God call me back to Him, just, you know, wanting me to be more spiritually
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inclined.
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And so I started reading my scriptures more.
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But it happened, and I fell back out of that.
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But I had been meeting with missionaries from a certain religion.
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And I remember I was so contentious with them because I'm like, you know, I know Jesus Christ
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and who are you to say who He is?
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And do you really know?
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And I told them that they were nothing but kids and, you know, they wouldn't know what
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my life was like.
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I hadn't taken it seriously.
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And even in that time, I remember I had, I wouldn't say reprimanded, but I know God was
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telling me, okay, if you think these kids are just kids, why are you arguing with them?
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Why are you trying to prove them wrong?
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And it was so funny.
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So it was like, okay, I understand God, you know what I mean?
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But I still, I wasn't in it with my whole heart whenever I was meeting with them.
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After my experience, I felt like I was between worlds.
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I was still halfway here and I was halfway in the spiritual realm.
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I felt very off balance and off centered and I remember having a spiritual prompting telling
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me that I needed to get somewhere safe because the place I was at where I had to cut my foot
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was not safe.
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Get somewhere safe and I needed to get a hold of the missionaries.
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And I didn't know why at first, all I knew is that I was going to listen to that prompting
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because it was so strong within me.
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And when I did, then I received the prompting of I needed a blessing.
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And so I was anointed and they gave me a blessing.
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And within three days to a week, I got better, like immensely better.
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At that time, whenever I'd asked for it, I was having vertigo.
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I was dizzy.
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I couldn't really think straight.
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And I remember I had been praying and praying and praying about it because, you know, I
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had my young son I was trying to care for and I was telling God, I can't do this.
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I can't take care of my son when I'm like this.
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And that's whenever I was receiving the spiritual promptings to get a hold of those missionaries.
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And I needed to.
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And so I did.
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And I'm so glad that I did because the healing that I received through that blessing is why
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I was like, okay, this is where God wants me to be.
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It was so weird feeling in between realms pretty much.
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And I knew that I couldn't keep feeling that way and take care of my son adequately.
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And so I feel like God made a way for me to get better and whether whatever happened,
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you know, and that blessing happened.
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And so I've now been a part of that religion for almost five years since because my experience
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happened in October of 2017.
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And I became a member or I started going back.
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I asked for that blessing in January of 2018.
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And I became a member in March of 2018.
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Sounds like you were healed more than just physically only.
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Yeah, it was a spiritual healing.
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It really was.
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It really was.
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So where do you go from here?
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You know, not every not everybody.
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In fact, most people have not had an experience like this.
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What what kind of advice or message do you have for everybody out there to live in love,
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to reconnect with that love that is within us and to share that love with others?
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You know, there's so much division in life in this world.
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I mean, we can find everything to be divided over.
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And really, we need to be working towards unity and towards love for each other.
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I was I've always been really empathic.
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But after my experience, I feel more love for people, for even people in my past that
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have harmed me.
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I understand more and I know that we're all here on this journey together and that if
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we can just find a way to band together and get rid of the differences and focus more
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on what connects us, then we can live a more fulfilled and happy and loving life.
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Good advice.
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Thank you very much, Kristen.
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Appreciate having you on today.
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Thank you.
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If you have had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear about it.
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Send an email to eric at roundtripdeath.com.
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And lastly, if you found this program uplifting, if it's given you just a little more hope
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