#302 - Vinney Tolman's NDE After Being Dead 1.5 Hours (Part 2)

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Welcome back to Round Trip Death and part 2 of Vinny's incredible near-death experience.

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If you haven't yet listened to part 1, which is episode 301, I highly recommend starting

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there, then come back to this one.

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In part 1 we heard about Vinny's death, how he was actually placed in a body bag and on

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his way to the morgue, a courageous EMT heard and felt a voice saying, this one's not dead.

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During Vinny's extensive NDE he learned so many things about the spirit world.

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Then he audibly heard a voice back in his hospital room, praying and pronouncing a blessing

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on his body.

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Let's pick it up from there.

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And as I was feeling and experiencing this love, out of nowhere I start hearing a prayer

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or a blessing being said over my body.

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And now granted, I didn't have any recollection at this point of what was going on with my

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body at all.

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I had completely left the body.

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I was having my whole heaven experience.

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I get this hug from Drake.

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As I'm getting the hug, I actually hear a blessing being given to my body in the hospital.

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And I hear it as loud as if someone's speaking right into my ear.

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And it's my brother's voice.

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And he's there on earth giving my body a blessing.

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And as he's saying this special prayer over my body, he blesses me to be whole, that I

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will be made whole.

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And I could feel the tremendous amount of love that my brother had for me, which was

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odd for me because me and my brother were two years apart.

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But we've always been very close in size through our whole life.

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And so growing up, we had a little bit of a rougher upbringing because we were always

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in competition with each other.

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And out of nowhere, I understood that my brother really loved me and loved me more than I could

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ever know.

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And that not only was I feeling my brother's love, I was feeling God's love from heavenside.

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And I went from this experience of this hug to hearing the blessing.

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And then as I heard amen to this prayer, I was pulled, I was yanked away from where I

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was, completely pulled away from where I was.

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And I was forced back into my body.

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Now this all happened at 930, 10 o'clock at night, that my brother gave me the blessing

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and gave me did that special prayer over me.

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But I came into my body at 111.

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So from that time of about 930, 10 p.m. and 111 in the morning is when I woke up and tore

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everything off me at 111 in the morning.

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I was done as soon as I woke up.

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Now this is the weirdest part about the whole experience.

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I woke up not remembering anything.

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I didn't even remember leaving my house on the morning that I was going to go to the

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auto show.

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I had a lot of like, blank space in my mind.

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So I woke up to not knowing how I got there.

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I didn't know what day it was.

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I just knew I was in a hospital, a hospital I didn't recognize.

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And I knew that I was extremely claustrophobic, like to the extreme.

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I never felt claustrophobia before like this, or really ever.

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I used to go, you know, go through caves and such.

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But since this experience, I am extreme, like really bad, bad claustrophobia because the

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energetic body or the spirit body is so much larger than our physical bodies here.

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It is our spirit body is so much larger.

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To come back into this physical form is it feels like trying to get a blue whale to fit

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in a can of tuna.

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It just you're doing the impossible essentially.

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But that's what happened.

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I came back and I felt extremely claustrophobic.

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I yanked everything off me.

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The report said, you know, everything went flat line at 111 in the morning because that's

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when I yanked everything off me.

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And I had tubes literally coming out of my mouth, out of my nose.

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I had a catheter in.

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I had all sorts of IVs in me.

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I yanked everything off of me, everything.

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And I just stood there in the hospital room naked.

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I couldn't even have clothes touch me.

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I just stood there naked for a few moments and just taking deep breaths.

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I just stood there and just just breathe deeply, trying to understand what was going on, why

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I felt so sick and claustrophobic.

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And then I realized, oh crap, you're naked and you're in a public space.

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So I went and grabbed a hospital gown and wrapped it around my waist.

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Then I decided that I wanted to go home.

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I didn't know how I was going to get home, but I wanted to go home.

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I didn't want to be there anymore.

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Okay, hold on, hold on.

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At some point, a nurse or some medical person had to have walked in and seemed like Lazarus

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just got up from the grave.

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The funny thing is they didn't see me until I made it all the way to the elevator without

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them knowing because what had happened is they were doing their rounds.

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So there was two nurses there at the time.

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They were doing their rounds in the rooms when I pulled all that stuff off me.

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So they weren't hearing the alarms yet.

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Now after the alarms have gone on for a little bit, they get louder, I guess, or something

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like that, where as they were doing their rounds, they heard the alarm.

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They went and checked the room that the alarm was coming from.

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Then they went and actually checked the room.

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And in that process, the one nurse first goes in and she screams.

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Then the other nurse comes running over.

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She goes in.

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They're frantically looking around.

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They think that maybe somebody snatched a body because this guy was in a coma.

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His body was in a true coma, so much so that they'd given information to my brother and

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my dad about palliative care, about someone who's a vegetable for the rest of their life.

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They really thought I was going to be a vegetable for the rest of my life.

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And so they're looking around thinking somebody snatched a body, like literally took a body.

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And as they're looking, they see this guy standing naked just holding a gown around

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his waist at the elevator.

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And I'm sitting there like hitting the down button, down button.

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And then they both screamed.

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And I knew as soon as they both screamed, I just knew.

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And it was weird.

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I knew so much about these two nurses.

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I don't know how I knew about it.

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But I just knew so much about them.

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And I knew that they were both going to get in so much trouble if I left.

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So I needed to come back.

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So I did.

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I came back, and they actually got a security guard, and he kind of babysat me for a little

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bit, wouldn't let me leave the room.

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I'll bet they had special journal entries that probably you won't believe what happened

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last night.

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What's funny, though, is I couldn't I wouldn't allow them to put anything back on me.

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They wanted to put oxygen on me.

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They wanted to put the catheter back in.

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They want to do all this stuff.

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I'm like, no, I'm like, look at me.

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I'm fine.

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And they kept telling me that I was going to go back into a coma, that there is this

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freak thing that someone will come out of a coma for a moment, and then they go back

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under and usually die.

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And I'm like, no, I'm here.

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I'm back.

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Yeah, they didn't fully trust that.

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So I did have to sign paperwork from from about 111 in the morning until about 7am.

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I was signing paperwork and I was meeting with specialists.

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So I met with specialists solid, consistently as the specialists would show up for the day.

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I would meet with them, you know, first shift.

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And I'll tell you, it was crazy all morning long meeting with these specialists.

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Every single one of them would ask me all the same questions.

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Do I know who I am?

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Do I know what year it is?

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Do I know what year I graduated?

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Do I know what my birthday is?

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Do I know where I live?

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Like simple questions that that everybody's going to know the answer to.

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But all of the experts wanted those questions answered and then some and some of the experts,

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they wanted me to get some they wanted me to do an MRI.

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They wanted me to do a CATS like all these different scans.

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And I felt fine.

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I felt completely fine.

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I did.

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I did allow them to do some some check on my on my heart.

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I allowed them to do a couple of scans, but I felt totally fine, you know.

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And so I just kept telling them, I'm fine.

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I can go.

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I want I feel like I can go.

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And finally, you know, after signing a phone book full of paperwork, I was able to allow

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myself to get checked out.

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They wouldn't let me obviously leave leave.

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I would I'd have to have somebody come pick me up.

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So I I did get a hold of my dad that morning.

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I called my brother first, but he was he didn't answer.

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So I ended up getting a hold of my dad and my dad came and picked me up.

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So that very day you went home.

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Yep.

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That very day.

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That very morning.

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That's what got me away too, because they wanted to they wanted to hold me for minimum

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24 hours.

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They actually wanted to hold me for 72 hours, but they wanted a minimum of 24 hours just

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to make sure I wasn't going to relapse and go back into a coma.

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But I, you know, I left fully knowing that that was a possibility.

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But to me, it wasn't a possibility because I was awake.

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I was fine.

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And in fact, within an hour of my dad, my dad took me home to my place and I went jogging.

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I literally went jogging.

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Like, I was such a fitness nut back then.

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I felt like I had to.

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And it really felt good because it felt like I was getting out of that claustrophobia that

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I was feeling.

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And it helped me actually quite a bit to go jogging that day.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I have so many questions.

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But the first thing is that why this part of it blows me away so much is because other

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people that I've talked to that have been clinically dead for a minute or six minutes,

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or some even 10 minutes, which is a long time, your physical body starts deteriorating when

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that happens.

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It does.

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When your heart and everything stops, it's almost like, you know, if you take a piece

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of raw hamburger out of the refrigerator, it starts decaying.

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And your body does the same thing.

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It starts decaying.

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And because your organs are all shut down, all these bad things are happening, let alone

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what's going on in your brain without oxygen to it.

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Yeah, this is beyond miraculous.

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Not only that you came back, but that you were healthy that fast is crazy.

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Yeah.

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Like, well, I did have three days to kind of get my body straight, you know.

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And I think that's why I was allowed to be away from my body, because that was probably

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a pretty rough process, you know, getting my body back to life.

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But you know, since then, actually, I met a really cool guy.

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I've lost contact with them since, but I worked with a guy that was awakened in the morgue.

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He woke up like four days after his death in the morgue.

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And they were about to perform his autopsy and he woke up.

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Have him call me when he needs to talk.

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And you know, it's funny, I was like, no way, because I told him about my experience.

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And he's like, he's like, oh, you think three days is good.

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I was I was actually four days in the morgue before I woke up.

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And he showed me the scar when he woke up.

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They had to they had already started to open up his chest cavity for his autopsy.

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And so he has the scar of the full cut when they do an autopsy.

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They fully open you up.

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So so there's some really neat cases out there where where if it's not your time to go and

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God wants to send you back, you come back.

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You know, you're not limited by by the physical realm at all.

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Well, we keep being reminded of that, don't we?

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Yeah.

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Can I start on some of my questions?

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Absolutely.

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OK, I don't want to cut you off in any way, shape or form, because this is fascinating.

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And I'm picturing you jogging out there, hopefully over to your brother's house.

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What was that reunion like?

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So I didn't I still didn't remember it was him who brought me back yet.

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So this all happened.

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I was back for a full day and the and full back a full day and a half when my sister,

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she wanted to take take me and my brother out to dinner.

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And my and and so we all met at a wingers actually.

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And we were in this this restaurant and.

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My sister kind of cornered me.

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Everybody got their dinners or we ordered our dinners.

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We were waiting for him.

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And as we were waiting, she's she's like, hey, you know, she calls me Todd, because

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that's my middle name.

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She's always called me Todd.

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She's like, Todd, come here, come here.

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She kind of pulled me over to the corner.

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And she's like, you know, you were dead, right?

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And I'm like, yeah, that's what everybody tells me.

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And she's like, did you have a near death experience?

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Did you see anything?

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Did you experience anything?

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And it is so weird because at this point, at this moment, I had been asked that like

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ten times already.

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And I had every single time I'm like, I don't think so.

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I don't remember anything.

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I don't remember anything from this period forward.

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I remembered a little bit of what was going on that Saturday morning that I died, but

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I didn't remember anything else, even to getting to the Dairy Queen or anything.

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And when she asked me this, my brain formed the words, no, like, no, I didn't have an

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experience.

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And I went to say the word no.

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But what came out of me was my was an entire download of my experience, the entire experience.

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And it's almost as if it was already there.

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But the doorway that was blocking it got opened by her asking that question.

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And I just started to bawl.

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I literally started to cry.

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And I'm not I'm a you know, I was a much tougher guy than I am now.

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I'm still kind of a tough guy.

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But I'm telling you, like I'm I don't I'm not a public crier and never have been.

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But I started to just weep like a little baby because I started to feel again that love

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that was there for all of us.

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And I explained to her that I had a guy and his name is Drake and that he he was he helped

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me through so much.

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And he he helped me come back.

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And that's when I realized that it was my brother who had who had brought me back.

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And he was there.

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I couldn't even look at my brother after that.

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I couldn't because even looking at him, I would just cry because I feel that love, you

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know, and and it was such a beautiful thing, but such a scary thing, too, because now all

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of a sudden, this whole experience was real to me, you know.

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And I'm still this analytical guy.

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So what do I do?

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I go and meet with a couple of professionals.

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I meet with one.

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He says he can't help me that he doesn't know what to do to help me.

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But he he refers me to this other professional.

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I go to this other professional and he says, OK, so here's we have a perfect case of delusion,

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you know, because your your brain was starved of oxygen.

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So it just makes up all this stuff to fill up the space.

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He says it's totally normal.

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I'm going to put you on these these medicines.

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And here's the weird part.

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So after my sister asked me if I had a near death experience, I started to understand

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why I knew things about other people that I should know.

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And this is a symptom that a lot of people have after they come back from one of these

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experiences.

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And I just knew some things about this doctor.

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I knew some things about his childhood that I shouldn't know.

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And so I I had a very strong premonition.

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I had a I had spirit or, you know, spirit energy telling me I needed to share these

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these knowledges about this this doctor before I took a prescription from him.

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So I did.

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I said, well, you might think I'm crazy, but I need to share this with you.

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And I flat out told him about some stuff about his childhood.

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And he freaked out.

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He cussed at me to get out of my office.

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And so I left.

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And even his secretary, the his nurse, you know, the secretary that was there, she's

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she's like, what did you say?

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And I'm like, I don't know.

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I just I just said what what I can't what I felt was true.

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And so I left.

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And a couple of minutes later, I get a phone call from that doctor.

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And he said he said this exactly.

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He said, you know, Vinny, what you told me was something I had even forgotten had happened.

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And he said it scared me so much because there's no rules around that can explain what happened

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to you and how you could have known that there's no rules.

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He said there's no book that can explain that.

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And he said, I work in the realm of learning from books and helping people from what I

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learned, and he said there's nothing I've ever learned that can help you or explain

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what just happened.

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He said, but I know this for sure, that if you knew that that what you experienced must

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be real.

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I want you to do the best you can.

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But I don't think taking medicines is the right route.

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And I agreed.

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I was like, yeah, I agree.

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And it was it was my first confirmation that what I had experienced was not necessarily

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a delusion, that it was it was possibly a real thing.

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Now later, you know, later, a few months later, this all happened in January, my whole experience,

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I met with that doctor in February, and then come all the way to that July.

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I'm at a family reunion with my fiance, and and I'd met her since my experience.

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We're sitting in this family reunion at this little play in Afton, Wyoming.

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And this play is doing a presentation on the history of the town of Afton, Wyoming, and

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who the founders were, who were the first clergy in town and all this stuff.

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And up comes this picture.

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And I'm kind of cold.

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I don't want to be there.

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I'm kind of tired.

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And all of a sudden, I get this very strong change of energy in my wife or my fiance.

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And and I look to her and I and she says to me, she goes, Is that your guide?

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And because I had, you know, shared my experience with her.

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And I had told her, you know, what had happened to me.

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And I had shared my experience of Drake and who my guide was.

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And she she was looking at this image on the screen of this little play.

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And she felt that was him.

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So I looked from her and I turned to look to see the screen.

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And there he was.

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It was my guide.

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It was my guide, like the very man who would help me through the whole process.

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But what was weird is his name on the photo.

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It said it said Charles Kazer.

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And and I thought, well, that was odd.

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I you know, his name is Drake, I thought.

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And that was the only thing that didn't link up.

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And the very next day, I went to my grandmother who was alive at the time.

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And I I asked her, I said, Do you know anything about Charles Kazer?

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And she goes, Oh, great grandpa Drake.

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Yeah, I know about him.

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And it was her great, great grandfather.

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And he went by Drake, even though his name was Charles.

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Drake was his middle name.

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So he went by Drake because I guess his father was Charles or something like that.

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But but he went by Drake.

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So it was just really neat.

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That was an additional confirmation for me that that what I had experienced was something

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more than I could have ever imagined or made up or anything.

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Yeah.

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That is so cool.

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And that was one of my questions is, who do you think Drake is?

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And that's so, so cool that you found out who that is.

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I wonder how your wife recognized him.

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Well, it was an energetic thing for sure.

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She's she's always you know, if you if you get the book and read about it, I talk a lot

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about how I met Andrea, my wife.

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And and one of the ways I noticed her is I I could see in her eyes, I could feel that

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that energy of heaven in there.

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I really could.

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I could see just the the unconditional love that God has for all of us.

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I could see that in her eyes.

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And that's something that she's always been very synced up with is heaven.

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And and so I think that not only did she see it, but she felt it.

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And that's why she she brought it up.

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She was like, is that your guide?

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But I've been you know, I've been talking to her, you know, in very intimate moments,

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just really going over my experience with her.

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So she see she essentially knew the whole experience.

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I couldn't get into so much detail because it was still so fresh.

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I would just start to cry every time.

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But you know, in between those sessions of of me starting to cry and I couldn't talk

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anymore, she was able to get a lot of the story and get a lot of the experience out

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of me.

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So she knew it very well.

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She also knew I described Drake so much that when she saw the pictures, she was like, is

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that your guide?

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Is that great?

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And it was just really cool.

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It was really cool that she could recognize them.

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But yeah, when I when I did see him, though, I couldn't speak.

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I couldn't even say, yeah, that's him.

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I just froze.

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I literally froze.

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It was already a kind of a chilly night, even though it was in July.

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It was a little chilly.

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But I'll tell you what, I froze and she knew she knew just from my reaction.

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That was him.

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She knew.

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Yeah.

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That is so, so cool.

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In fact, we left we left right after that because I just started to break down again.

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So on this show, we we don't really talk about specific religions, whether good, bad or indifferent.

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But some people have voluntarily told me after their experience, they talk to their minister,

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pastor, whoever was over there, congregation about their experience.

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And some of those people gave them a really hard time about it because maybe it didn't

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match up with their theology exactly.

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Did you have an experience like that?

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So it's funny, I've never had a problem with any of the clergy.

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So of the church I go to, I've never had any problem with the clergy, but the members.

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But it's really funny.

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I'm Christian.

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And you know, in in my faith, there's I've always felt there's two aspects to my faith.

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There's the gospel side, the side that really follows the scriptures and follows Christ.

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And then there's the ego side.

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And the ego side represents everyone looking at each other, judging what they're doing

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and judging who's sinners and who's going to heaven, who's going to hell, that kind

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of thing that represents the ego side.

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And it's only people who are very embodied in the ego side of the church that have a

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hard problem with with my experience.

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And they have a very hard problem.

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All you have to do is go read any negative reviews I have on Amazon.

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You can see it's the ego side of my own faith that that writes those negative reviews.

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And I don't and I know it's it's part of life and I'm not judging them in any way, shape

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or form.

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I love every bit of who they are.

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And there's there's there's got to be a divine reason why they they really embody the ego

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of the church.

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But I'm telling you, the Christ centered part of the church is beautiful to me.

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At the same time, when I got to heaven, I looked around thinking I was going to see

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it was it was going to be like a big reunion of all the different branches of the church

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I'd been in my whole life, you know, thinking I was going to see all these people I knew

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who had passed and I didn't.

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Now I'm sure they they're there in their own way.

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But I'm telling you, I saw all these different religions in that space.

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And I saw that that at least the university side that I was in this beautiful side of

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heaven that there was all different cultures there, all different religions there, that

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there wasn't just Christians, you know.

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And and part of what I did experience is, you know, when we get to heaven, if we if

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we have prejudice towards any other religion, we get to our own version of heaven that's

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still distant from God, because for us to embody God's love, we can't have prejudice

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at all.

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We cannot have prejudice at all.

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I mean, we can't have prejudice against lifestyle.

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We can't have prejudice against religion.

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We can't because here's the thing, any prejudice we embody, we we actually are going to put

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on our own self three times stronger.

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And that was a very strong thing I learned there that and that's the only people that

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ever really have a hard time with me is is those who exist in the ego space.

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And I don't default them for it.

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That's their truth.

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And I honor them in their truth.

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If if their truth is that that my experience is is falseness, then then then that's their

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truth.

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I want them to to be glorified in their own truth.

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The one thing is, I didn't I didn't publish my story to make money.

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I didn't publish my story to to do this as a business or anything like that.

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I did this because for 15 years, people have literally harassed me after I told my story.

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Why don't you have a book?

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Why don't you share this?

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This is so important.

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You share this.

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And I felt that calling my whole life.

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But it took a long time for me to actually get the words right.

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Because this this whole experience is not something that that you can use words to describe.

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So I did have to take some really good help essentially from my my co author, Lynn.

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Together we worked on this for years, literally years, so that we could actually get the words

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right so that what he was writing down and what I was experiencing matched each other.

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And he did an amazing job.

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And we had some very, very good help helping us edit it, get it the right way so that it

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matched my experience.

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And you know, it's not meant for everybody.

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And I don't put it out there for everybody.

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But for those who need it, it really resonates with them.

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It does, and it helps a lot of people that are a little confused right now, even in their

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own faith.

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And it is multi faith, you don't have to be Christian, you don't have to be any of these

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things to read this book.

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Now what's cool, though, is whatever faith lane you find yourself in, I would say, most

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people who read it, they gain a stronger faith in their own lane, they're able to strengthen

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their faith in their belief system that they have, and get connected to God.

473
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:21,400
And that's all it's all about for me is, is I want you as the individual to have the best

474
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,920
connection you can with God, period, the best possible connection.

475
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,680
And that's my purpose for putting this story out there is to just help those who are ready

476
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,680
for it.

477
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,460
Now, it's not for everybody.

478
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:35,640
But those who are ready for it, it does really resonate with them.

479
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,960
And I've gotten time after time for every one bad review, I'll get, you know, try 90

480
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,000
or 95 good reviews of people saying, this has changed my life.

481
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:54,560
So I really, I, I'm so grateful to God for allowing me back, number one, even though

482
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,760
there's times I feel that was kind of a curse, because heaven is amazing and beautiful and

483
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,480
so so awesome.

484
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,120
But so is life here.

485
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,060
And I know I'm back here for a reason.

486
00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:10,160
And so that's, that's why I put it out there.

487
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,720
That's why I put it out for, for those who are ready to listen, for those ears that are

488
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,000
ready to hear and those hearts that are ready to feel it.

489
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,240
It's a great story for them, a great experience that I got to share with them.

490
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,640
But yeah, I don't get harassed too much on it.

491
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,840
But I do a little bit just with some of the members.

492
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,280
The name of the book, by the way, since you're not plugging it is the light after death by

493
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,080
Vincent Tolman.

494
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,320
Send me a copy Vinnie.

495
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,680
Okay, I will actually.

496
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,280
Okay, I'll send you a copy.

497
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,280
I appreciate it.

498
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,640
A couple more questions, then I'll let you go.

499
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,800
You I thought it was so interesting that you referred to your body and very much in the

500
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,720
third person, you called it the body.

501
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,600
Why is that?

502
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,560
It's because my body was where I was, you know, and, and I was sitting there watching

503
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,720
it outside of me.

504
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,000
So that wasn't my body.

505
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,800
That was the body.

506
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,320
Yeah, it's just kind of like if you're even if you're sitting there playing a video game

507
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,720
or I'm not a gamer at all.

508
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,200
But but I'll tell you, if you're sitting there playing a video game, you're looking at your

509
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,400
character play.

510
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,080
That's not you, right?

511
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,600
You is right here with the controller in your hand.

512
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,520
And that's what I felt like even once I recognized that was my body.

513
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,520
I still felt like it was the body.

514
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Because who I was was the and is who I am is this eternal spiritual being that lives

515
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,320
beyond the body.

516
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:41,280
So truly the body is still the body to me now because it's it's the vehicle I drive

517
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,260
while I'm here.

518
00:30:43,260 --> 00:30:45,080
But I'm not here forever.

519
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,800
And I'm grateful for that.

520
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Because forever is a long time and a beautiful long time.

521
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,720
I want to be where where God wants me, and that's that's in a grander, better, amazing

522
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,720
space.

523
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,280
Have you had a chance to meet that EMT that worked with you?

524
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,280
I did.

525
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,420
Would he mind if we mentioned his name?

526
00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:10,040
So I don't I don't release that because here's here's the thing.

527
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,040
I need his permission to do so.

528
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,360
And I've lost track of him over the years.

529
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:21,720
But I'll tell you, I had lunch with him right after I came back and I wanted to talk about

530
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,580
I was like, I wanted to tell him I saw God like come over you.

531
00:31:27,580 --> 00:31:31,740
And I felt like that light that was coming over you.

532
00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:36,280
And I was just so grateful because without him, I wouldn't be here.

533
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,840
Obviously, I would have been processed and in the morgue and in a grave somewhere.

534
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,520
But because he listened to God, because he listened to that light, and that's why I call

535
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,300
it the light after death.

536
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:50,200
He listened to that light.

537
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,500
I was so grateful.

538
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,620
And I tried to express that to him.

539
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:55,880
And he wouldn't he he wouldn't accept it.

540
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,680
He he just kept telling me that's just part of my job.

541
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,680
I was just doing my job.

542
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,680
I was just doing my job.

543
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,040
And I'm like, No, you weren't actually.

544
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,720
If you're just doing your job, you would have just sat there and not did anything.

545
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,120
But you did more than your job.

546
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,080
You listened to God, and I got a chance to meet with him.

547
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440
I got a chance to meet with one of the other medics.

548
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,720
And the other medics were like, he was like, you're an effort miracle, dude.

549
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,480
Like, he was just going to town on me.

550
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,560
And I'm like, I know I have.

551
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,760
And actually, that's how I got in contact with him, the rookie is because I had to get

552
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:34,960
his phone number from them to a sandwich place there in Utah, and had a sandwich.

553
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,640
And he wouldn't even let me buy lunch.

554
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,320
I mean, that's who this guy is.

555
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:44,240
He just, you know, he just he felt like he's just doing this doing doing the right thing.

556
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,440
And he didn't want to talk about the spirit part of it, though.

557
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,000
He would not talk about it.

558
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,080
He just look at me and say, I don't want to talk about that.

559
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,680
And and then I come around to it.

560
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,320
And I talked a little bit more.

561
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,560
I tried to bring it back up.

562
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,080
And he's like, I don't want to talk about it.

563
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,320
And, you know, I just have so much love and respect for him, but not just for him for

564
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,920
anybody who is able to be that hero or that angel in someone else's life because they

565
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,880
listen to the prompting from God.

566
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,120
And that's what he did.

567
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Really.

568
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,800
It's not this huge miracle he did.

569
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,480
He just listened to the prompting and he acted.

570
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,260
And that's one of the things I actually I try to teach people is how to get a better

571
00:33:23,260 --> 00:33:28,620
connection with God so that that prompting is more regular, so that you get that communication

572
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:31,020
from God on a regular basis.

573
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:32,280
And you can you can act.

574
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:38,640
You can be God's angels on earth and do what God wants you to do every single day, not

575
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,040
just in the hero moments, but in the little hero moments, you know, and helping in little

576
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,040
ways.

577
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:50,160
And sometimes that's even just as miraculous as these big ways of bringing someone back

578
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,160
from the dead.

579
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Well, and he is a hero because he took a risk to act on that.

580
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,040
He could have lost his could have lost his job.

581
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,040
Yeah, absolutely.

582
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,520
He could have lost his job.

583
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,320
And here he was the first week and, you know, funny turn of events when I did have lunch

584
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,120
with him, he told me he had just passed his fire test.

585
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,200
So he last I heard he was a fireman now.

586
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:18,360
So still still kind of in that, you know, savior type job where he's out saving lives.

587
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,720
But he's a fireman.

588
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:20,720
Oh, yeah.

589
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:21,720
That's awesome.

590
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:22,720
Okay.

591
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:27,180
My last question, something that you alluded to just a couple of minutes ago, I'm wondering

592
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:34,800
because you've had this experience, does it make living here on earth easier or more difficult?

593
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,480
Way more difficult, way more difficult.

594
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,760
And this is not just for me, anybody who's had the experience like I've had where they

595
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,180
got to see heaven and experience heaven.

596
00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:50,680
Life here is really, really rough.

597
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,800
Even on your best day, it's still nothing compared to the your worst day there.

598
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:02,040
Your worst day there is just still absolute bliss and amazing beauty and just so full

599
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,040
of love.

600
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,800
Now, I have a lot to live for here, though.

601
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,920
You know, I have I have my amazing family.

602
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,240
I've got two absolutely amazing kids.

603
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,680
And so I've got a lot to live for.

604
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,040
But it's still really hard.

605
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,040
It is.

606
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,040
It's very hard.

607
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,120
I'm not going to be, you know, dishonest about that at all.

608
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,760
I'm very authentic about it.

609
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,800
And authenticity is extremely important to me now since my experience.

610
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,720
So to be honest, yeah, absolutely.

611
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,280
It's very hard, actually.

612
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,720
Vinnie Tolman, thank you so very much for being with us today.

613
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,920
Yeah, thanks for thanks for having me on.

614
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,760
And and, you know, if anybody can get anything from this, I would love to help them understand

615
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,560
that that that love that God showed me is not just for me.

616
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,560
It's not.

617
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,560
It's for all of us.

618
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:54,960
And that that God really, really loves all of us exactly how we are, exactly how we are,

619
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:01,080
not who we're going to be, not who we want to be, but exactly how we sit right now.

620
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,920
God loves us, really, really loves us.

621
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,920
And God wants a relationship with us.

622
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,240
So if at all possible, reach out to God.

623
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,320
God's already there, wants to wants to have that strong relationship with us.

624
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:23,160
Know that he loves you and wants to be a part of our lives, all of our lives.

625
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,400
Thanks again for listening.

626
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,520
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