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One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die?
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Is death the end or a new beginning?
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Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast.
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In this show, we listen to first-hand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and
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return to talk about it.
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We are so happy to have with us today, Reverend Bill McDonald out of California.
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Reverend Bill, how are you?
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Well, I know that you're in the hustle bustle of that big city, Daniel, today, so I don't
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want to hold you from your pointed rounds since you're some kind of county official
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there.
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You're not supposed to tell people where I live.
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I'm supposed to be the anonymous one here.
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I just say I'm in Utah.
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So hopefully people will ignore what they just heard.
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Anyway, how's the weather out in California?
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As you can tell, I'm bundled up today.
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I'm actually wearing socks for the fourth day this month.
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So it's a cold day in California when you wear socks.
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That's really a shame.
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For those of us that woke up with, I think it was 11 degrees out this morning.
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Anyway, I would love for our listeners to get to know you a little bit before we jump
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into our favorite subject, which is talking about near-death experiences.
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Can you just take one or two minutes and tell us something about you so people have an idea
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of who Reverend Bill is?
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Well, I would say I'm unique, but then everybody in the world is unique.
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But in my particular case, my background is so varied.
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Not only am I an author and a public speaker, when I say speaker, I go around the world.
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I go to India, South America, and Asia, and across the United States and Canada and Mexico
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and wherever else to talk.
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But I've also been involved in making documentary films as an advisor or been in them.
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I'm a spiritual coach.
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I teach meditation, yoga.
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I am a scuba diving instructor for about 50 years.
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I mean, you name it, I've kind of got my fingers in a lot of different things.
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But the most important job I have now at this age is grandfather, number one job, grandfather.
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Isn't that an awesome one?
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How many do you have?
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Six.
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And I got one still in high school, and he graduates this year.
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That's really cool.
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That's fun.
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Well, let's go back in time.
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You've had more than one NDE, by the way.
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So let's go back to when you were a child and talk about a really neat spiritual experience
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you had back then.
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Okay, it started off, I started off, I was so young, I was, I was speechless.
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I started off my life, and I've always had this inner conversation or outer conversation
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with with the divine.
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Other people may have imaginary friends or whatever, but I always felt like I was communicating
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with with God or with Jesus or with somebody or angels or something.
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I always felt that connectiveness, that that energy was protecting me.
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And when I was eight years old, I got extremely sick.
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I mean, literally, definitely sick.
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I started off as the mumps, and the mumps weren't treated, and then it got to be strep
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throat and then it got to be eye infection.
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And then it got to be pneumonia, lungs got infected, then it got to be the kidneys, kidneys
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got infected.
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And everything just kind of went downhill, started shutting off.
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Finally, they sent me home from school because they saw I was sick.
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And the doctor came, the doctor came to my house.
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You remember, you're old enough to remember house calls?
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No, no, I guess I am not that old, but I've seen them on TV.
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Yeah, I mean, they weren't fiction.
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They actually have.
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Doctor came to the house and said, this this kid is he's dying.
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You got to get him to the doctor, get him to the hospital.
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So I was taken to the hospital.
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As soon as I got there, they put me on a gurney, strapped me down.
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I was eight years old, never been away from home before.
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And they told my parents that they didn't think I was going to make it, you know, that
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they should be prepared for the possibility I was going to be dead.
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And then my parents left and then they rolled me out of the room and they rolled me into
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an isolation ward, which was outside the main building in a wooden building.
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And then they went to me.
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My lungs were filled up with fluid and I could hardly breathe.
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And they punched holes in my thumb in my lungs and they pumped fluid out.
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And but my kidneys were really badly gone.
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And the whole system, everything was just, you know, one thing goes.
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The next thing goes, everything was shutting down.
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So they were fully expecting to have me be terminal.
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But they took care of me, got rid of that, put me to bed in a room all by myself, first
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time away from home, totally by myself, turn the lights off.
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And there I am in a dark room, no nurse, nobody coming by to hold my hand and say, how are
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you doing?
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How do you feel, kid?
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No, no parents, no nothing, totally alone.
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I'm laying there in bed feeling really lonely, you know, it's a and in great pain.
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And then all of a sudden in the total darkness, I feel light.
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And I mean that both ways, light, like light weight and light like L.I.G.H.T. like light
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shining on you.
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I felt light and it was like my body and I were separating.
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And I realized that I was not the body because as I was going through this separation between
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the body, the physical body and the real me, I could look down and I could see this poor
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child, this young boy laying in this bed that I'm thinking, well, I feel sorry for him.
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I'm glad I'm not him because he looks pretty bad.
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But there was this awareness that that not that's not me.
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That's not the real me.
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I'm the me that's watching this, that's observing all this.
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And so I'm kind of hovering up over my body and the room starts to lighten up more and
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more with total darkness to illuminated.
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And it was like clouds floating in there.
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It's like I was in a cloud.
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Imagine flying through a cloud in the sky when it looks like with a puffiness.
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That was it.
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It was just it was bright lights.
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And I was beginning to feel very calm, very peaceful.
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I was feeling loved, very loved.
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I mean, it was like it was like the universe was hugging me.
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It was like a million Italian grandmas were hugging you.
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I mean, it was that kind of love.
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It was like, you know, expected to see God come out and pinch my cheeks and say, I love
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you.
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I mean, it was just that kind of feeling.
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I was just feeling so blissful and it felt so right.
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And there was no fear.
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And I and I when I thought about my body, I looked down and I saw that it was no attachment.
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And when I returned to that body or was a part of that body, it didn't matter to me
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at that stage.
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I was just feeling great.
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And I said, totally painless.
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And I realized that I wasn't connected.
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The body was lately laying there literally lifeless.
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It wasn't moving, wasn't breathing.
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And yet there I was.
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And it felt natural.
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It felt like, yes, this is the way it always is.
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You know, we're not really that body.
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So that kind of went through this revelation at that age that this is this is the real
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you that's that's not the body.
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And then I looked up and I saw the clouds and pictures and images started to form and
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now realize that when you talk to and you've talked to many near death experiencers and
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they're old and they and they they die.
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They have a moment of death and they go through a life review and they go back on their past.
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Well, eight years old, I got no past to go back on.
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What do you look at?
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So it's like mine is going forward.
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I'm doing a review of things that are going to happen in my life in the future.
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Major things.
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Can we call it a preview instead of a review?
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Exactly.
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Good, good terminology is exactly what it was.
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But at the time, I was kind of it took me a while to kind of figure it out.
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I'm looking at that and I'm identifying with the information being presented with the images
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on these cloud like things.
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I'm seeing I'm seeing what I believe to be the president United States.
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John F. Kennedy, but I didn't know Kennedy was.
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I didn't know his name.
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But later on, I recognized the image.
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I saw Kennedy being assassinated in Texas, you know, right in the back of a car and this
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guy falling over.
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My vision was a little different than what the Warren Commission said.
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I mean, I saw another shooter.
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So what do I know?
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Maybe a flaw, you know, maybe a flawed vision, but anyway, I saw more than one shooter.
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And then I saw in high school, meeting this beautiful girl.
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And I knew when I'm looking at this, because I could see future.
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This was the girl that I was going to marry.
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And I was going to spend the rest of my life with this this woman.
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I know when I met her, then that's the one I'm going to marry.
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And then I saw houses I was going to live in and I saw things and saw places I was going
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to work.
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And then I saw this great war.
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Now at eight years old, the only war I ever heard about was the Korean War, because I
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saw that newsreel footage back then.
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In those days, believe it or not, they had news newsreels.
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When you went to the movie theater, you had a newsreel, right?
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It come in tracks and cartoons, two features at the movies and a serial on Saturday.
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Right.
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Flash Gordon.
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So what I remember all this and it didn't look like that.
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But this war had helicopters and had a funny looking helicopter look like a tadpole, which
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I know now is like a Huey.
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They hadn't even been invented there.
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This was like 1954.
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They hadn't even been invented yet.
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And there's these helicopters tonight.
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I find myself sitting behind a what looks like a machine gun on one of these helicopters
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flying around in this war is going on.
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And I see myself in battles.
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I see myself crashing.
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I see myself getting shot at, shot up, blown up.
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I see all kinds of things happening.
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But the good news on that is I see myself after the war.
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I mean, oh, I didn't get killed there.
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That's all right.
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That's a good thing.
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Right.
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Always a good thing.
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But I also realize as I'm seeing these things that if I'm seeing forward to the future,
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then that means I'm not dying now.
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That means I got to go back to that sick, damaged body that I'm, you know, that I just
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abandoned and live to the point where I get to this future.
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And the thought was a little bit painful because I knew the body I was going to have to go
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back into.
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But I saw the future for about, as it turned out, about almost 59 years until I was about
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59 years old.
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So it was about 50 years forward in time.
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And while I'm watching that, there was a couple of numbers that were flipping.
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There was a 29 and then the two would flip over, look like a five.
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So it was 29, 59.
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I had no clue what that meant at the time.
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Later on when we're talking and discussing my second near death experience, I'd say where
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those numbers go.
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OK.
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I just had this.
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So I thought at the time I go, well, 29, 59 is something going to happen to me at 29?
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Am I going to die at 29 or 59?
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Maybe, you know, I didn't know.
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So I had all this forward knowledge of things and events that were going to happen to me
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and some events that were going to happen in the world.
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And so then the clouds started fading and it was like a vacuum.
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It was like, and I'm, I'm sucked down into my little frail, weak, skinny, sick body that
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was suffering.
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And I spent the next one year, almost one full year in the hospital, most of it in isolation
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or by myself or the few other people in the room.
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During that time, I had no visitors.
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So my parents would come once a week on the weekend for 15, 10 to 15 minutes.
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The rest of the time I was totally by myself.
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No school, no toys, no television, no radio, no record player, no magazines, no coloring
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books, nothing.
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And people go, oh, that's so terrible.
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But what happened was that year of isolation and total bed rest wasn't allowed to go anywhere.
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I had to stay in bed.
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Taught me a great deal about myself and my inner life because I was able to, to use my
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mind to take journeys and trips.
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And I, and I, and I made up these meditations and things like I would hold my eyes and I
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pushed my eyes in so they would see colors.
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And I was looking at what turns out to be the spiritual eye.
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And then I would pray to Jesus or pray to God.
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And I spent all my time just conversing and talking with God.
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And I didn't care if he answered me or not.
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It was like, I felt in love.
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I felt this love brewing for God.
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And I had all that time.
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I had nothing to do all day.
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So that's pretty much what I did.
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And I learned to take trips.
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And then on my mind, I wanted to go to, I just read the book at eight years old.
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I just read the book, Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda.
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Now all kids read that, right?
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I mean, come on.
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It's up there, right?
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And there was a chapter there about him meeting this avatar, which I didn't know what the
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word was, avatar, whatever that is.
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And then anyway, this great being Babaji.
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And there was a chapter on that.
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And then met him in a place called this cave that they call Babaji's Cave.
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And at the time I read that, I go, I'm going to Babaji's Cave.
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It's one of the last things I'm ever going to do.
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I'm going to find Babaji's Cave.
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At that time it wasn't publicly known where it was at.
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It wasn't a place you could tour to.
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I didn't do anything about it till I was in my fifties, but that was my pledge.
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I'm going, no, I'm going to Babaji's Cave.
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And I pictured myself going there and everything.
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And I saw myself as an older man going there.
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I didn't, but as I grew up, I kept trying to get there, you know, take a trip there.
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And I tried all kinds of various ways.
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So in high school, I met my future wife.
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And I'm happy to say that 53 years later, we're still hanging together.
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Congratulations.
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That's amazing.
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We dated in my senior year.
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And I think we actually met when we were 14 in our freshman year, but we didn't start
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dating till my senior year at 17.
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And then I broke up with her because I knew I was going to marry her, but I also knew
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I had to go to Vietnam and she was going to go to UC Berkeley, go off to college and all
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this.
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I knew all this other stuff was coming.
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And I hitchhiked to Europe and crossed the world and did all kinds of things.
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So I couldn't be tied down.
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It was too early.
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I knew it wasn't the right time.
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And of course, she didn't understand that.
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And you break it up with me.
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Well, you know, that was like a bad thing, right?
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So in our senior year, November 22nd, Kennedy was assassinated.
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Two weeks prior, I'm telling my school teachers, I'm telling the principal and I'm telling
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other people, hey, the president of the United States is going to get shot and killed when
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he goes to Dallas, Texas.
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I've seen it.
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What do you mean you see it?
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No, I've seen it.
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I've seen it.
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Right.
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I saw those visions in the hospital.
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Right.
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And I had my near death experience and I started dreaming it again every day for two weeks.
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Every time I went to bed at night, I dreamt it.
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And it was really weird.
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I dreamt it in black and white, just like it was on black and white television.
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There was no color TV back then.
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So it was just like I was watching it on television.
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And I knew that it was going to happen.
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Now, unlike today, if some young, young guy in high school went to the principal and he
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said the president was going to get shot and then the next week the president gets shot,
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they'd have the police, the FBI.
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You're in jail.
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They'd be all over me.
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Right.
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I mean, I'd be interrogated.
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Nothing happened.
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Right.
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This happens.
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And they just go, oh, how'd you know?
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Well also, I'm wondering after it happened, did you feel any guilt?
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Like couldn't I do something about it?
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Because no one would listen to you.
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Oh, no, who's going to listen to a 17-year-old kid going, hey, don't go, hey, president,
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don't go to Texas.
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Yeah, that's not going to happen.
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But how did you feel when it happened?
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Well, that's the first, that's an interesting question because that was one of my big issues
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growing up, especially when I went to Vietnam.
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When you know something's going to happen to somebody and something not good, and what's
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the definition of good, right?
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Like, you know, somebody getting killed or somebody getting wounded or a helicopter's
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going to crash and burn.
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I knew these things.
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And when I went to Vietnam, I went there in 1966, October 66.
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I was a crew chief door gunner on a Huey helicopter.
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I found myself sitting behind a machine gun just like I foresaw in my preview, my life
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preview.
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Right.
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Well, let me stop you for a second, because you've got such an amazing story from Vietnam.
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And that's because of spiritual experiences you had ever since this eight-year-old experience.
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Would you rather skip ahead to your second near-death experience first, or do you want
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to hit on Vietnam now?
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Let's hit on this for a moment.
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OK, let's do it.
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There's one story in particular, which I think, you know, if you go online, somebody goes
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to my website, or they go to my Facebook page and read my books, they go, oh, you're a hero.
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Look at this.
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You got a stainless flying cross, bronze star, purple heart, 14-year-old medals, et cetera,
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et cetera.
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What they don't know is the bravest thing I ever did was disobey direct order in combat
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and be charged with mutiny.
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And it was the bravest thing I ever did.
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I didn't got no medal for it.
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They don't give you a medal for disobeying orders.
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But I saved 30-some lives.
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And it's because we're flying over jungle.
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I got a new pilot.
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And this officer goes, he looks down this jungle and he sees these troops, looks like
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troops that look like troops, black pajamas marching through this jungle.
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They look like they had weapons on their soldier.
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And we're up there and he's saying, look, there's VC down there, just Viet Cong.
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Mac, he called you Mac, right, because McDonald's.
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Because Mac, get on your gun.
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Shoot him.
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Shoot him.
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And he's got a 260 machine gun that fires 760 rounds a minute.
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A minute.
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I mean, that's like firepower, right?
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Yeah.
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You could cut a house in half.
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Yeah.
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There's 7.62 millimeters.
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I mean, they're like two times or more the size of an M16.
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I mean, they're huge rounds.
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So he's telling me, give you order.
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Fire those guys.
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So he swings the helicopter around.
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He's got a machine gun trained right on these guys.
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And there's like about 30 something of them.
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And there's a guy in the front.
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And it looks exactly what he said they were.
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But I go, no, I've seen this before.
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I knew intuitively, no, deja vu, right?
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Deja vu.
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Back when I was eight years old, I go, no, this is not what it appears to be.
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I wasn't exactly sure what it was.
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But I knew intuitively, don't fire.
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So I took my hands off the machine gun.
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I go, no, sir, not firing.
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It's not what you think it is.
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And he got mad at me and he gave me direct orders.
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And he told me if I failed to follow his orders, he was going to charge me with the failure
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to follow orders in combat and et cetera, et cetera.
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And then I said, no, I'm not firing because it's not what it looks like.
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It's a mistake.
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So he swung the helicopter around the other side and the gun around the left side, he
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gave him the same order.
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And a guy on the other side had been flying with me for about four or five months.
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And he goes, sir, he says, I've been flying with McDonald.
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And when he has a feeling, there's always a reason.
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So I was right.
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He says, if he ain't firing, I ain't firing.
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So now this major, this pilot is getting really upset.
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And he goes, you know, both of you disobeyed a direct order.
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He says, that's mutiny.
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He says, I'm going to see it to it that you guys get the death penalty or life in prison.
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You disobeyed a direct order.
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I'm telling you to do it.
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I'm going to charge you.
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So this guy, here's the guy that deserved a medal because he didn't have the feelings
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I had.
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He didn't know what I knew.
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And he goes, no, if McDonald's not doing it, I'm not doing it.
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Now that's guts.
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Had I been wrong about what follows in the story, had I been wrong, I was 21 at the time.
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I'm 76 going on 77.
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I would have still been in jail today had they not executed me.
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I would have got a life sentence.
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That's a long time, a whole wasted life, right?
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So finally I convinced the pilot.
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I said, fly down there.
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I'm on my gun.
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If it's bad guys, they're going to shoot at me, I will shoot back and we'll take care
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of the situation.
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So we flew down about a hundred feet over and it turns out it's a bunch of children
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from the local village, the Hamlet being marched down to the community garden by a Catholic
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priest in a black robe.
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And all these kids are in black pajamas and they didn't have weapons on their shoulders.
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They had shovels, rakes, holes, tools for the garden.
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Had I fired, I would have killed 30 something children and a priest and it has to be a Cardinal
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Synod of some kind.
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It's got to be a bad one, right?
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So when they saw what it was, I mean, I couldn't see the face of the pilots, but they have
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a helmet on and they're facing and I'm in the back seat, right?
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So I don't know.
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I imagine they'd probably turn a sheet of white.
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But that pilot ever since then, the rest of his time in Vietnam, he was so nice to me.
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So nice to me, but he didn't put me in for metal for that.
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I don't think there's a medal for that.
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No, no, it's a, but it's a, yeah, it's interesting, but that was the bravest thing I did.
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And yet, you know, I got all these medals and I got put in for Silver Star and I got
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all this other stuff.
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And those things, I wasn't a rogue because, and I said this in another interview once,
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the real heroes are afraid.
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They don't know what's going to happen.
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They don't know if they're going to get killed or wounded or lose a limb.
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And yet they do it.
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Me, I knew I wasn't going to get killed.
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What's brave about that?
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I know I get out of this.
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So I go ahead and do these things.
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That's not bravery.
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That's just intuition at work.
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Anyway.
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Now let's go forward.
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Realize that 50 years or so pass.
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Remember my desire to go to Babaji's cave when I was eight years old.
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Yes.
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Still had that desire.
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And after several failed attempts to get to India, you know, things didn't work out.
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Anyway, I'm retired finally.
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And I'm going, okay, I'm getting up there.
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I'm almost, I'm almost 59.
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I got a few months.
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I'm going to be 59 years old.
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And I kept remembering that tumbling numbers.
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Remember the two that turned to a five, five, nine, two, nine.
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And I'm going, well, I didn't die at 29, but I got pretty sick.
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A lot of things happened.
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Maybe I'm going to die at 59.
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Maybe I need to go to India now because that was my thing.
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Got to go to India before I die.
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Right.
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Got to go to Babaji's cave.
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So I'm there with a friend and we're traveling.
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We finally get to this ashram up in the Himalayan mountains that is the guardian, the guardianship
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of this cave and has a lock on it and bars and keeps vandals away.
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And it's kind of secret.
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And you have to have a guide to take you up there because you can't find it.
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So I show up there and then Swami was there and he's getting ready to leave the next day.
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And he's has everybody's gone off in the village to some special ceremony celebration.
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And he goes, he says, I don't have anybody to take you there.
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He says, the only way you can go there is if you go there on your own and I don't think
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you can find it.
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And I said, try me.
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So he gives me these instructions and the instructions are, well, you leave the ashram,
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you go down here about 15, maybe 20 miles.
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You'll see a couple of roads, but don't take those.
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Take the road that looks like that's probably the road.
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This is the instructions.
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That's probably the road.
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Take it to the left, maybe to the right, but I think it's the left.
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Go down that road till you got no choices and then take a dirt road that you look at,
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stop and then hike down.
481
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Do you see a bunch of trails coming into that?
482
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,240
And then you'll see a trail marker takes you to the top.
483
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,720
And then how do you get in the cave?
484
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,720
And he gave me some keys.
485
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,880
He used to open up this and I said, he says, but good luck.
486
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,360
And I said, look, I may never come this way again.
487
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,320
I'm going to see that cave, even if it kills me.
488
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,720
That was my words, even if it kills me.
489
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,720
Right.
490
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,200
So he says, okay, but be back by five o'clock or five 30.
491
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,200
And because he locks up the ashram, these big gates and all your stuff will be locked
492
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,200
inside.
493
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,400
You'll have to stay in the car.
494
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,800
So we take off early in the mornings.
495
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,200
We're going down the road and my driver does know where he's going.
496
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,600
And I finally go, well, okay, turn here.
497
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,600
Okay.
498
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,960
So he turns and we got to go, okay, turn there.
499
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,960
Okay.
500
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Stop over there.
501
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,080
And then we get, and we start walking and my friend's kind of scratching his head going,
502
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,080
he had no clue.
503
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,440
And I said, no, no, I'm just, just go with the intuition here.
504
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,360
And so we get there and we see a sign that says, well, I would just cave in.
505
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:03,360
It's got an hour.
506
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,760
The only trouble is somebody's taking it up from the trailhead and they thrown it and
507
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,760
we found it on the road with no idea where the trail's at.
508
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,760
And we go down there and there's about 10 cow trails, you know, animal trails.
509
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,820
So it's one of those.
510
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:19,280
So we get on one and we're hiking.
511
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:24,760
It was supposed to take 90 minutes, two hours to get to this cave and it's four and a half,
512
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,760
five hours.
513
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,760
We're hiking.
514
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,760
We didn't bring coats.
515
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,760
We didn't bring matches.
516
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,760
We didn't bring a flashlight.
517
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,760
We didn't bring food.
518
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:31,760
We didn't bring any water.
519
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,400
And we're up at altitude in Himalayas.
520
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,640
And I was hot and sweaty.
521
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,560
And then I thought, well, I'm okay.
522
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,560
I'm not sweating anymore.
523
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Cause I was just drenched.
524
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,560
It's almost like I wasn't sweating.
525
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,440
I mean, that's a bit of clue.
526
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,640
You stop sweating when you're getting dehydrated, right?
527
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,640
Yeah, that's a bad sign.
528
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,640
Yeah, yeah.
529
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,640
Bad sign.
530
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,800
And then I had dysentery.
531
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,920
In fact, the three weeks before I got there, I had lost 18 pounds from dysentery.
532
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,680
I was just having fumes going in, fumes coming out.
533
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,080
So I was really weak and I was having trouble.
534
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,400
And I was having chest pains and I was having trouble with, I had epilepsy and I was having
535
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,720
trouble with my head and everything.
536
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,280
I was not doing good.
537
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,160
Finally, as I'm getting blurry eyed and things aren't going right, my chest is pounding like
538
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,880
I'm having a heart attack.
539
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,760
We see this temple on top of this hill.
540
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,120
We go up the top, we got the keys, we open it up and they built a temple up there, Babaji's
541
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,120
temple.
542
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,080
And I went inside and I'm laying there on the temple floor because I'm just practically
543
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,080
dying.
544
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,920
And I caught my breath and I knew I just had a short distance to go to the cave, probably
545
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,480
another 100 meters, but it was uphill.
546
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,880
And caught my breath.
547
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,620
And then we hiked the last bit, got to the cave, unlocked this metal door that had bars
548
00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:53,620
on it like a jail.
549
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:55,320
And we went inside.
550
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,240
There was blankets on the floor of the cave.
551
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:05,320
I brought with me several pieces of, I think four typewritten pages, both sides, number
552
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,680
10, Adesia, no spaces, just minimal spaces and this full page.
553
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:17,240
I wrote down and typed a name of everybody I could think of that I've ever met as a child,
554
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:24,680
doctors, friends, teachers, family, enemies, bosses, people in NAM, people that I fought
555
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,000
against, what I remember what they looked like, I'd describe them, beggars that I helped
556
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,080
or didn't help or somebody on the side of the room.
557
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,320
I put down everybody I could think of on this list of four pages.
558
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,160
And when I went into this temple, just so they'd done in other spots, like at the Ganges
559
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:46,400
and other places, I'd read these and ask God to bless all the names of the people.
560
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,080
Because I figured these people were never going to get to Babaji's cave, never in their
561
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,080
lifetime.
562
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,280
But I had them there and mentally I read them and visualize them.
563
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,160
Some people I couldn't remember their name, never knew their name.
564
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,160
God knows who they are.
565
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,120
God knows, he'll sort it out.
566
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,800
God knows who they are, right?
567
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,520
So I read all the names, said a prayer for them, put it back in my pocket.
568
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,920
I skip ahead and I'll come back.
569
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:19,520
I ended up taking that list to the Ganges River at sunrise a couple of weeks later,
570
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,440
came out on a boat and I read the list of names and asked for a blessing for them.
571
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,440
And then I took a match and I burned this list to ashes and let the ashes fall on the
572
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:35,520
river just as the sun was just starting to gleam onto the waters of the Ganges.
573
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,400
So it was a beautiful orange morning.
574
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,440
It was just, and then, so anyway, so that list traveled with me through all these temples
575
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,440
and places, holy places in India.
576
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:49,440
Anyway, so we leave the temple or the cave and we're coming back and I'm like just as
577
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:57,080
just pounded crazy and I'm dizzy and we're lost and we got to time, we got to get back
578
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,080
for it gets dark.
579
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,600
And I'm standing on this ledge, cliff.
580
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:12,440
It's about 30 foot drop down and thank God that it had a couple of small ledges down
581
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,800
about six or eight feet and there was a two foot ledge and then that kind of thing.
582
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,920
So when I'm standing here and my heart's going boom, boom, boom, pounding, you can almost
583
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:31,400
see it, my shirt moving and all of a sudden it stopped pounding and blackness.
584
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,920
And I fell and apparently bounced on each of those ledges down 30 feet.
585
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:42,800
And I landed on this big boulder at the bottom about the size of a Volkswagen bug, just a
586
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,800
big old rock.
587
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600
And I'm laying there on my back.
588
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,120
You would think 30 feet, you broke your back, right?
589
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,680
30 feet, I'm laying up there and I'm looking at the sky.
590
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,760
And then it was in my mind, I'm thinking the Simpsons, you know, that shows up the symptoms
591
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,600
and shows the clouds open up.
592
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,040
It was like I'm looking at the clouds.
593
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:09,480
It's like the clouds are kind of opening up and next thing I know, I'm up in the clouds.
594
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,880
And I'm looking down and I'm going, wait a minute, I've done this before.
595
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,080
We've had this dance and I looked down at this body down there and it's in pain, it's
596
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,920
hurting, it's laying on the rock.
597
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,480
It's not breathing, it's not moving, it's not twitching, it's not doing nothing.
598
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:33,640
And I'm going, oh, well, if this is death, then I've just been to Babaji's cave, it's
599
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,640
okay.
600
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,640
It's okay.
601
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,440
I got my bucket list.
602
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,680
That was the top of my bucket list.
603
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,680
I did it.
604
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,320
Yeah, since you were eight years old, for those that haven't heard of Babaji's cave,
605
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,800
what's the significance of it?
606
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:55,920
This cave back in 1860 something and 50 something, at some date well before a hundred and something
607
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:02,680
years before I was born, this yogi, Larry Masha, was on an assignment for his company
608
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,720
and he decided to take a hike and he was hiking and he kept hearing somebody calling his name
609
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,960
and he went to follow the sounds and climbed up this mountain and found this cave.
610
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:20,320
And this cave was this avatar, this ancient Rishi that was waiting for him in the cave
611
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:27,960
and blessed him and taught him a meditation technique called Kriya Yoga and reincorporated
612
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,480
back in the world, which a lot of organizations now teach and different people teach.
613
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:38,520
So that was like a big thing in the yoga community, the meditation, because so yoga and I wrote
614
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,960
about it like that was a big change in world energy when this happened in that cave.
615
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,600
And then he talked about all the neat stuff that happened there.
616
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,960
And that's why I kind of wanted to see it.
617
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,000
I thought, wow, what a beautiful place to go, right?
618
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,840
I want the energy there.
619
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,800
So there I am laying down on my body is laying down on this rock.
620
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,560
And is your buddy just yelling, you know, he's dead, he's dead or something?
621
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,560
He's a little crazy.
622
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,320
I'm not paying attention to him, but he's up 30 feet looking down and I'm up here looking
623
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,520
at him looking down and going, hey, I'm up here.
624
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,320
Hey, you know, hey, you know, but he's looking down there.
625
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,720
And then all of a sudden, as I'm looking down there, there's a huge, I don't know if there's
626
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:23,920
any other thing when you're talking about a cobra crawling over your body, there's only
627
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,080
one size huge, right?
628
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,240
Aren't they all huge that crawl over your body?
629
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,240
Right.
630
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,360
So my wife reminds me, I try to tell the story.
631
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,160
She says, first time he told a story, it was only six, seven feet.
632
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,360
I said, last time he was a king cobra was 50.
633
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,360
I said, well, it was huge.
634
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,360
You know, it was huge.
635
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,800
So now I just say it's huge, right?
636
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:46,320
But I, it came out of this grass and I see it crawling over my legs and then it crawls
637
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,040
into the grass and then inside, but I can't see the tail and the head at the same time,
638
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,920
grass, the tails in and the heads, you know, so it's moving.
639
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,640
So I can never see the beginning and the end of this, but I'm so excited because I love
640
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,400
snakes craziness.
641
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,080
I love snakes and I feel, I feel love in my heart.
642
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,520
But I'm up there.
643
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,160
I don't have a heart, but my body has a heart.
644
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,160
I feel love in the heart.
645
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,000
It was like jumpstarted.
646
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:20,320
It was like those paddles you get clear and I jump up on the rock and I stand up and I
647
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,000
take a breath and I'm breathing and I got a pulse again and a snake is still crawling
648
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
across my shoes.
649
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,040
So I'm reaching down and I'm trying to grab it.
650
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,880
When I'm trying to grab this, of course, this is the only going to hear this, but I'm showing
651
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,960
you with my hands.
652
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,920
I got both of my hands wrapped up trying to wrap around the snake, the diameter of the
653
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,920
snake.
654
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,480
And there's a couple of inches that I'm not touching and I can't fully grab the snake.
655
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,320
It's that fat.
656
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,740
So I don't know how big or how much it weighed, but it was a big snake.
657
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:57,560
And so it's sleeping through the grass and I'm, I'm after it in my sandals, going through
658
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:03,680
grass chasing and trying to grab a very large Cobra.
659
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,920
And I chased it to a little tiny trickling waterfall.
660
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,120
It was only about seven, eight, nine feet tall trickle of water.
661
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,120
And the snake went up to our fall and crawled into a little hole behind it, curled up and
662
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,000
just was looking at me from a curled up position with that snake head with the hood.
663
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,280
And then I stopped and I just kind of mentally bowed to it.
664
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,600
And I looked at it and it was felt like, it felt like so much love.
665
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,080
It felt like me and the snake were communicating.
666
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,080
It was like love.
667
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,880
And then my friend, I hear my friend interrupting going, Bill, Bill, what are you doing?
668
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,880
Crazy man dancing down.
669
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:38,880
What are you doing?
670
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,880
What are you doing?
671
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,920
Anyway, we finally left, get back.
672
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:51,360
Just as guys lock in the gate, we pull up and the guy looks at me, the Swami, and he
673
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,240
looks at me and says, did you find Babaji's cave?
674
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,440
And I said, yeah, let me tell you what happened.
675
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,120
So I tell them the whole story, going up, falling down, having a heart attack, having
676
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:05,480
part of an epileptic seizure, getting, I got infected with something like poison oak.
677
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200
They got something like that in India and I had bumps all over.
678
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:15,160
And then my shirt was torn and my body was chilled and I was shaken and, and I bruised
679
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,200
and dirty and I was so happy.
680
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,200
He was cold.
681
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,920
And I told him the whole story, including the near death experience.
682
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,520
And then I get interrupted by this woman from Alaska that was visiting the ashram.
683
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,880
She goes, excuse me, excuse me.
684
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,200
And finally I go, what do you want?
685
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,880
She goes, don't you know what they say about those that go to Babaji's cave?
686
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,680
And I go, okay, I give up.
687
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,320
What did they say?
688
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,800
She says, those that go to Babaji's cave and have the most arduous journey have the greatest
689
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,800
blessing.
690
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,880
And the Swami smiles at me and I nod.
691
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,040
Okay.
692
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,920
So now, now let's go with the 20, remember the 29, 59 thing.
693
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,600
So now this happened in November of 2004.
694
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:11,360
Well, I go to the doctor when I get back, but I go to the doctor because on my forehead
695
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:17,520
in my spiritual eyes located, when I come back, I had a huge, something growing there
696
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,880
turned out to be a cancerous tumor.
697
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,160
Huge one that just grew in a couple of months.
698
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,640
Boom, I had this, I went to India looking, seeking for spiritual enlightenment and all
699
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,640
this good stuff.
700
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,760
And I come back and I got cancer in the spiritual eye.
701
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,760
It was so symbolic.
702
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,440
I was just like, wow, that's cool.
703
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,440
Let's clean it out.
704
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,440
Right?
705
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,200
So they cut it open, had surgery, they took it out.
706
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,000
I had a bunch of stitches in the forehead, but I never told anybody about my heart problem.
707
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,080
I mean, here I have a full blown heart attack and I don't say nothing.
708
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:54,600
So finally at the end of January, I have a couple of events.
709
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,480
I collapsed on my garage floor a couple of times.
710
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,400
I collapsed on my couch and finally I just go, you know, maybe, maybe I, you know, this
711
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,480
tough guy needs to go check on this.
712
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,760
So I told my wife, I said, you know, I'm not feeling too good.
713
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,720
I'm going to, I'm going to go to Kaiser hospital and just get checked out.
714
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,080
She said, are you okay?
715
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,400
I take, I go, nah, I'm okay.
716
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,000
I was having a full blown heart attack.
717
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,040
I didn't want to tell her, but I get my truck, you know, my five speed truck, I'm going to
718
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,040
the gears.
719
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,520
I'm going seven miles down the road.
720
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,520
I get to the hospital.
721
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:31,400
I don't know if you ever tried to find a parking place at an ER, there ain't no parking in
722
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,400
an ER.
723
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,420
You know, you drop somebody off, you go a hundred acres away to find a parking spot.
724
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:40,120
So I did, I come back, I go in the walk-in part of ER.
725
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,360
I didn't go in the part where the ambulance goes and they got a line of about 18 people.
726
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:51,300
I line up 20 minutes later, I'm at the front lady hands me a clipboard, says, fill this
727
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:53,640
out and then get in that line.
728
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:54,640
I fill it out.
729
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,640
I get another line.
730
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,960
It's got five, six, seven, eight people.
731
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,160
I finally get up there and the nurse goes, she reads the clipboard and she says, she
732
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,520
says, you rode here.
733
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,520
Did you think you were having a heart attack?
734
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,520
And she kind of chuckled.
735
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,520
She says, yeah, I'll be the judge of that.
736
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,520
She says, how'd you get here?
737
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,520
And so I drove myself.
738
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,520
And he says, did you park?
739
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Yeah, I parked, you know, I told her where and I walked.
740
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,520
And you stood that line.
741
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Yeah.
742
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,520
And you started asking, yeah, yeah, sure.
743
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Okay.
744
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,520
Well, I'll sit down.
745
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,520
And she gets her set.
746
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,520
This goes out.
747
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,520
She starts listening pretty soon.
748
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,520
She goes, my God, you're having a heart attack.
749
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,520
I go, that's what I said.
750
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,520
No, no, you're really having a heart attack.
751
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,520
I said, no, no, that's what I really came in for.
752
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,520
And then there's bells and there's blue lights going off.
753
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,520
Oh my gosh.
754
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,520
Remember Kmart, the blue light special?
755
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Anyway, the hospital's got a light that goes off.
756
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,520
And I'm like, oh my gosh.
757
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.
758
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.
759
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:43,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.
760
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:50,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.
761
00:41:50,520 --> 00:42:05,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.
762
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.
763
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:16,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.
764
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.
765
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:28,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.
766
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:38,520
I said, I said, I said, I said.
767
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,520
I don't smoke.
768
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,520
I don't smoke.
769
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,520
I don't drink.
770
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,520
I don't add sugar to anything.
771
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,520
I don't do caffeine.
772
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,520
I don't do nicotine.
773
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,520
You know what?
774
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,740
I remember the 2959, right?
775
00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:52,660
And he goes, you know, from looking at you
776
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:55,400
and your background and your health record,
777
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,700
he says, I would have thought that you'd been dead by 29,
778
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,360
let alone almost 59 next week.
779
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,180
And it stopped me dead in my tracks.
780
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:08,640
I'm going, what?
781
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,000
He says, yeah.
782
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,460
He says, your generics and your history,
783
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,140
you should have been dead at 29.
784
00:43:15,140 --> 00:43:17,060
I don't know why, but you survived.
785
00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:20,520
He says, had you not done all those things
786
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,920
or not done all those things, right?
787
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,240
Had you smoked and drank and did all these things,
788
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:26,740
you would have been dead at 29.
789
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,280
So then I'm thinking, okay, 59,
790
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,080
I'm gonna be 59 in another week or so.
791
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,760
So let's, okay, we'll do the surgery,
792
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,020
but I want a few days to think about this, right?
793
00:43:37,020 --> 00:43:40,060
So let's fast forward now.
794
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:43,900
Now we're gonna go to the third near death experience.
795
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,280
This one is complicated and it gets really strange.
796
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,360
And there's some people out there
797
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,740
that I hope they're really open-minded
798
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:53,480
because realize that the near death experiences
799
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,520
people have reflect their religion
800
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,440
and reflect their beliefs.
801
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,000
It reflects how they look at life, their philosophy,
802
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,160
everything, I think God really accommodates us very well.
803
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,640
Can you explain a little bit what you mean by that?
804
00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:12,120
How their NDE expresses their life and their history?
805
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,700
Yeah, if you're a Catholic
806
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:19,220
having a near death experience or a Protestant,
807
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:22,260
that's gonna be different than a Muslim or a Buddhist
808
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:24,300
or somebody that's an agnostic
809
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,140
or somebody that doesn't believe in God.
810
00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:29,320
So you might not see Jesus, you might not see angels,
811
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,180
you may see guides, you may see ascended masters,
812
00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:37,340
you may see just people from your life,
813
00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:39,980
whatever your background, your culture was.
814
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:42,580
I think the other side is very accommodating
815
00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:45,320
to make us feel comfortable on the other side.
816
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,500
Right, and I've heard this before,
817
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:51,200
different people having different kinds of experiences
818
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,660
and is based on their background.
819
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:55,340
And I've kind of wondered why.
820
00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:59,300
Is the other side, is the spirit world really that different?
821
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:01,320
Is it custom made for each of us?
822
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,880
But I like what you just said,
823
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,580
it is what we'll be comfortable with.
824
00:45:06,580 --> 00:45:09,420
Yeah, it's not frightening.
825
00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:12,700
If you believe in hell, you may have a hell experience.
826
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:14,580
You got the near death experience, they went to hell.
827
00:45:14,580 --> 00:45:15,740
I don't believe in it.
828
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:19,740
I'll tell you right now, I don't believe in it.
829
00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:20,580
There you go.
830
00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:22,300
So those people believe in it so much
831
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:23,620
and they're so fearful,
832
00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:25,340
their fear gave them that experience.
833
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:26,180
Yeah.
834
00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:28,340
So, cause I don't believe in hell.
835
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:31,500
But what you believe is really,
836
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:36,340
it sets your GPS of where you go and your experience.
837
00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:39,260
Yeah, I don't know if I'll truly understand that
838
00:45:39,260 --> 00:45:43,460
until sometime later, but I get the concept.
839
00:45:43,460 --> 00:45:45,840
Yeah, it's because whatever you believe,
840
00:45:47,420 --> 00:45:50,280
I really believe in accommodating God.
841
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,280
And I really believe at that stage to accept things,
842
00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:59,540
what may be happening may not be happening as you see,
843
00:45:59,540 --> 00:46:03,820
but your mind to accept things, see it in that way as well.
844
00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:04,660
Right.
845
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:08,340
If I grew up believing heaven looks like a watermelon,
846
00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:11,900
then when I die, there's gonna be a watermelon for me.
847
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:12,740
Yeah, yeah.
848
00:46:12,740 --> 00:46:14,900
So if seeing Jesus would comfort you,
849
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:17,140
then that's what you're going to get.
850
00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:17,980
I really believe that.
851
00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:19,580
Okay, I like that.
852
00:46:19,580 --> 00:46:22,620
So if you have good thoughts and strong beliefs
853
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:25,940
that's gonna comfort you to know that you're gonna get
854
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:26,780
what you expect.
855
00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:33,500
So this experience is maybe that, maybe not that,
856
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:35,780
maybe a double body experience,
857
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:38,100
maybe an out of body experience.
858
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:41,580
Let's throw out labels and just end judgment
859
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:42,740
and hear what happened.
860
00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:43,560
Here's what happened.
861
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,940
I'll make it brief, the introduction of it,
862
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:47,820
because I went to India and I had a,
863
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:52,100
what they call a knotty leaf, a palm leaf reading,
864
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,980
which they read your future
865
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:57,620
and tells you things are gonna happen
866
00:46:57,620 --> 00:46:59,820
based on something that was written 2,500
867
00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:01,620
or 5,000 years ago, believe it or not.
868
00:47:01,620 --> 00:47:03,260
And they find this through your thumbprint.
869
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:04,660
That's another little interview sometimes
870
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:06,420
you wanna do that, that's interesting.
871
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:09,680
But one of the predictions was at a certain age,
872
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,060
which I was getting close to be,
873
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:15,740
at a certain age, I was going to take a trip
874
00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:17,620
and I was gonna go to this temple,
875
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:20,420
Shiva temple in Southern India.
876
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:25,260
And when I get there, I was supposed to take a trail
877
00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:28,740
up the mountain, walk uphill two to four hours.
878
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:30,460
And when I get to the top of this mountain,
879
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:34,380
I'd have an encounter with these Rishis,
880
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:37,780
because all the Rishis, there's 18 or 19 of them or something,
881
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:40,740
all these great holy men would be waiting for me
882
00:47:40,740 --> 00:47:42,260
at the top of this mountain.
883
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:45,460
And they wouldn't be teaching me anything.
884
00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:48,620
They would have me remember what I already knew.
885
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:51,060
And so they have important information on me,
886
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:52,860
but it's information I already had.
887
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:55,620
And I thought it was a crazy, crazy reading.
888
00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:57,100
I go, this is crazy.
889
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:58,340
I don't believe this stuff.
890
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,960
Anyway, so that's in the back of the mind.
891
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,360
So think about maybe that's planted
892
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,380
in the back of my mind, I'm just saying.
893
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:08,320
So I have a heart attack in India.
894
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:11,540
I'm giving us some talks and stuff
895
00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:13,500
and I have a major heart attack.
896
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:16,460
I have to come home, I leave Mumbai,
897
00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:18,500
and I just was in the ER.
898
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:21,820
I get on an airplane, I fly, I get to Denver, Colorado,
899
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:24,740
and I collapse in the customs line.
900
00:48:24,740 --> 00:48:27,020
I have paramedics with me for six hours.
901
00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:28,900
Believe it or not, they let me back on the airplane,
902
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:31,940
fly to Sacramento, which,
903
00:48:31,940 --> 00:48:34,060
and then I get a blood clot, right, of course.
904
00:48:34,060 --> 00:48:35,660
I can't believe they let me back on the airplane
905
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:36,860
because I said, oh, you gotta let me back in.
906
00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:38,180
I'm going to my doctor's.
907
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:41,780
Anyway, so by the time I get to Kaiser
908
00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:43,540
to see my heart doctor, as soon as I walk in,
909
00:48:43,540 --> 00:48:48,100
he looks at me, gets a wheelchair, he sends me to ER.
910
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:51,100
They sent me to ICU for four days
911
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:55,300
just to get my level of energy up so I could have surgery.
912
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,140
I need a quadruple bypass surgery.
913
00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:02,060
So normally you have open heart surgery nowadays.
914
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:04,980
It's not as bad as it used to be.
915
00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:07,860
And usually four days,
916
00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:09,700
they kick you out of the hospital and you're home.
917
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,020
I mean, after you've just been, I mean, truly,
918
00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:13,980
boom, they get you back out again, right?
919
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:15,780
That's modern medicine.
920
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:19,580
So I'm there four days, I haven't even got surgery yet.
921
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:21,860
So I find an ambulance to another hospital
922
00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:23,140
to do the surgery.
923
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:24,780
I get there and the guy tells me in the morning,
924
00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:25,780
we're going to cut you open
925
00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:27,540
and explains what they're going to do.
926
00:49:27,540 --> 00:49:30,980
And he says, so I'm going to, he goes,
927
00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:32,260
great bedside manner.
928
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:34,500
I'm going to rip your chest open.
929
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:37,180
Exact words, I'm going to rip your chest open.
930
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:39,300
He says, I got these like, they're like pruning chairs,
931
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:40,820
like, you know, you prune a tree.
932
00:49:40,820 --> 00:49:42,700
And I'm going to cut those.
933
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:44,460
And I got chest spreader and I'm going to spread it.
934
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:45,660
He's giving me the whole details.
935
00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:47,460
Like I'm wanting to make sure.
936
00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:48,420
I just want to know generally,
937
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:49,260
I'm going to go open your heart.
938
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:50,140
Okay, great.
939
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:52,860
Yeah, Dr. Bedside manner there.
940
00:49:52,860 --> 00:49:56,660
More information is not necessarily always a good thing.
941
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:59,140
So then he says,
942
00:49:59,140 --> 00:50:01,380
I don't want to cut your arms and your legs.
943
00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:04,300
We're going to harvest arteries or veins
944
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:06,180
or whatever they take out of there, right?
945
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:08,860
And then we're going to use those
946
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:10,940
to circumvent the blocked arteries.
947
00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:14,100
Cause you got a hundred percent blockage, 90% block.
948
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:15,660
You got blockages everywhere.
949
00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:17,820
And I already had like,
950
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:20,540
I think I ended up having eight stents.
951
00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:23,060
So I mean, they couldn't do those stents anymore.
952
00:50:23,060 --> 00:50:23,900
Yeah.
953
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,180
Can I ask you a question at this point?
954
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:27,980
When you're hearing about this,
955
00:50:27,980 --> 00:50:30,500
you're probably also hearing that at some point,
956
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:33,820
they actually need to stop your heart to do this, right?
957
00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:36,460
And bypass everything temporarily.
958
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:38,660
Did you think to let the doctor know,
959
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:41,340
oh, by the way, when that happens to me,
960
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:43,300
certain special things happen,
961
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:45,740
or did you just keep all that to yourself?
962
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:48,140
No, actually when I, when you said,
963
00:50:48,140 --> 00:50:51,620
we're going to have to stop your heart and your lungs,
964
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:53,460
and we're going to hook you up to a heart lung machine
965
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:58,460
that will pump oxygenated blood in through the system.
966
00:50:59,340 --> 00:51:01,140
So you get oxygen in there, right?
967
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:02,060
And I said, wait a minute, Doc.
968
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:03,780
I said, you're going to stop my heart, my lungs,
969
00:51:03,780 --> 00:51:05,500
my lungs ain't working, my heart ain't working.
970
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:06,780
He goes, that's right.
971
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:08,260
Well, I said that I'm dead.
972
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:11,260
He says, well, technically, he kind of,
973
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:13,140
he says kind of technically,
974
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:16,220
he says what the machine is giving you life.
975
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:18,380
So I said, so if you have power outage, I'm dead.
976
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:21,540
He goes, well, hopefully we got a backup generator.
977
00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:23,100
Hopefully, I like his word.
978
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,220
I don't think you had a big smile on your face then,
979
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:26,580
cause you knew.
980
00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:28,100
Yeah, I go, okay.
981
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:30,100
So I said, okay, Doc, I'm technically dead.
982
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:31,940
He says, well, yeah, you can look at it, you're dead.
983
00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:32,940
We're going to kill you.
984
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:34,580
I'm going to kill you to save you.
985
00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:35,980
I said, okay.
986
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:37,580
So the next day I'm laying,
987
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:40,740
I'm laying on this operating metal table.
988
00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:42,780
I don't know if you've ever been on an operating table,
989
00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:44,620
but they're metal.
990
00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:46,980
I mean, it's like chrome metal.
991
00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:48,460
I was asleep at the time.
992
00:51:48,460 --> 00:51:51,980
I don't remember, but I imagine that's easier to clean up.
993
00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:56,100
So I'm buck naked and they're laying me on this table.
994
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:57,100
Then they put a sheet on it.
995
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:58,580
Everybody gets cold.
996
00:51:58,580 --> 00:51:59,860
I'm cold.
997
00:51:59,860 --> 00:52:02,780
And, and, and I'm wide awake.
998
00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:03,940
And then the last thing he says,
999
00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:05,780
he said, well, I'm going to give you this shot.
1000
00:52:05,780 --> 00:52:06,700
This should put you out.
1001
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:08,380
He says, I want you to count from a hundred down
1002
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:10,300
to whatever you get to.
1003
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:14,180
And he says, he says, he goes, sometimes he says,
1004
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:20,100
sometimes people feel stuff only works for about 95%
1005
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:24,340
of the people that they still could feel stuff.
1006
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:25,940
That's just as I'm getting ready to pass out.
1007
00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:27,740
He's telling me that 5% of the people
1008
00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:29,740
could still kind of feel stuff a little.
1009
00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:32,460
And I'm going, what?
1010
00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:35,620
I'm out then boom, boom, just like that.
1011
00:52:35,620 --> 00:52:40,300
Darkness transcends into light, bang.
1012
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:43,420
And now I find myself standing in India.
1013
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:44,260
I knew it was India.
1014
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:46,060
There's all these Indian people around me.
1015
00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:48,500
And my first thought is I'm standing in this,
1016
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:53,500
this patio like area, this, this courtyard with stones.
1017
00:52:54,540 --> 00:52:57,860
I've thought was, do I have clothes on?
1018
00:52:57,860 --> 00:52:59,740
Cause I was naked, but I left, right?
1019
00:52:59,740 --> 00:53:00,940
And I've done, I got clothes on.
1020
00:53:00,940 --> 00:53:03,540
So this was a modest spiritual journey.
1021
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:06,820
So, and then I noticed that people are bumping into me.
1022
00:53:06,820 --> 00:53:11,820
I feel them and I feel the heat and people are looking
1023
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:14,100
at me and they're walking around me or near me.
1024
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:15,220
They see me.
1025
00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:16,420
I see them.
1026
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:18,100
They see me.
1027
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:19,820
I feel them bumping to me.
1028
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:20,660
I feel the heat.
1029
00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:21,620
I feel the ground.
1030
00:53:22,620 --> 00:53:24,460
It's all real.
1031
00:53:24,460 --> 00:53:26,900
And I'm going, this can't be.
1032
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:28,660
Wasn't an astral body.
1033
00:53:28,660 --> 00:53:30,500
Wasn't out of body experience.
1034
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,460
It was a duplicate body experience.
1035
00:53:33,460 --> 00:53:35,540
It was like, okay, you got my body,
1036
00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:37,660
one body on the table getting cut up.
1037
00:53:37,660 --> 00:53:41,260
But here I am in India outside this temple.
1038
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:43,900
And I looked at that temple and I saw this Shiva,
1039
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:45,900
you know, this bowl out there.
1040
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,900
I go, this is Shiva temple.
1041
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:51,300
And even though I can't read Indian, I knew intuitively,
1042
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:53,140
this is the temple I was supposed to,
1043
00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:55,300
I was told to travel to.
1044
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:56,660
And I looked around and there was a trail,
1045
00:53:56,660 --> 00:53:58,020
went up this hill.
1046
00:53:58,020 --> 00:53:59,500
And I said, I'm supposed to go up that hill,
1047
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:00,980
two to four hours.
1048
00:54:00,980 --> 00:54:02,860
The Rishis are waiting for me.
1049
00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:06,100
I figured, well, I got nothing else to do.
1050
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:09,340
The operation is gonna take six to eight hours.
1051
00:54:09,340 --> 00:54:12,300
So I started walking and I'm walking up this hill
1052
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:14,660
and I'm feeling everything.
1053
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:17,900
Once in a while I feel like hands in my stomach
1054
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:20,060
and instruments and things like,
1055
00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:21,020
they're operating that body,
1056
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:23,140
but this body's feeling movement.
1057
00:54:23,140 --> 00:54:26,220
So I finally get up to this top
1058
00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:29,340
and there's a meadow there with some rocks and logs.
1059
00:54:29,340 --> 00:54:31,420
And there's these guys sitting there,
1060
00:54:31,420 --> 00:54:33,340
you know, with the weird hairdos,
1061
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:35,380
funny beards and everything.
1062
00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:39,660
And I knew that's the Rishis are waiting for me, right?
1063
00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:43,140
So I get up there and I sit on a rock
1064
00:54:43,140 --> 00:54:46,780
and a couple of guys are on rocks, some are on stumps.
1065
00:54:46,780 --> 00:54:50,780
And there's one extra guy that's there.
1066
00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:54,420
And it was the guru who was at the ashram I was at
1067
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:55,820
when I had this reading done.
1068
00:54:56,820 --> 00:54:58,980
And the guru's got his arms folded and he goes,
1069
00:54:58,980 --> 00:55:00,420
beeh!
1070
00:55:00,420 --> 00:55:01,700
You could give up a heart,
1071
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:03,860
or you could skip a few beats,
1072
00:55:03,860 --> 00:55:05,580
but you don't give up your heart.
1073
00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:06,900
And he kept saying that to me and I'm going,
1074
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:08,700
what's going on, right?
1075
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:11,220
Anyway, and so then I'm looking at these Rishis
1076
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:16,220
and it's like, I didn't have to ask them any questions,
1077
00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:20,460
like what's the meaning of life, what's this?
1078
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:23,980
I was sitting there knowing
1079
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:27,620
that everything I ever wanted to ask, I already know.
1080
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:33,860
It was like, wow, and I felt great peace
1081
00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:36,540
and I felt great love and I felt like,
1082
00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:38,460
I've been with these guys before, this is right,
1083
00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:40,260
this feels good.
1084
00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:43,500
And then this guru guy kept saying,
1085
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:47,540
you could skip a beat or two, but don't give up your heart.
1086
00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:49,780
Well, I think he was reading my mind
1087
00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:51,580
because I went into this surgery as painful
1088
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:53,980
as I was going through all this procedure
1089
00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:55,100
and it was painful.
1090
00:55:56,060 --> 00:55:57,660
There was a part of me that goes,
1091
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:02,220
been to India four times by this time
1092
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:05,740
and I've been to the cave and I got my books out
1093
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:07,420
and I got all this neat stuff going.
1094
00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:09,820
I felt like I've helped a lot of people.
1095
00:56:09,820 --> 00:56:12,740
I felt like I kind of did what I was supposed to do.
1096
00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:15,460
So I wasn't fighting the idea.
1097
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:17,660
So then all of a sudden, remember those clouds
1098
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:20,180
when I was a kid, they came back again.
1099
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:21,420
I got all these clouds, right?
1100
00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:26,180
And I go, wait a minute, am I gonna have a life review now?
1101
00:56:26,180 --> 00:56:29,180
No, am I gonna have a preview?
1102
00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:34,180
Kind of, because what I saw next was the faces
1103
00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:37,780
of people that I was told would come
1104
00:56:37,780 --> 00:56:40,260
in the next decade or so.
1105
00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:43,940
These people would come over time in the future decades.
1106
00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:47,820
And if I wasn't around, I couldn't help them.
1107
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:49,260
You know, it might've just been a smile.
1108
00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:51,020
It might've been preventing a suicide.
1109
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:52,500
It might've been cheering somebody up.
1110
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:53,940
It might've been teaching somebody something.
1111
00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:56,340
It might've been giving people love or a hug
1112
00:56:56,340 --> 00:56:58,900
or whatever it was, but all these people out there,
1113
00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:02,860
they would miss something in their life if I wasn't there.
1114
00:57:02,860 --> 00:57:04,220
And I was being shown that for a reason.
1115
00:57:04,220 --> 00:57:06,860
Then I heard this beautiful feminine voice,
1116
00:57:06,860 --> 00:57:11,860
beautiful voice go, Bill, you don't owe anybody anything.
1117
00:57:12,940 --> 00:57:14,060
You've done enough.
1118
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:17,500
You finished your task.
1119
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:22,500
I promise you peace, no pain, no suffering, just bliss.
1120
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:27,140
Come with me, just give up your heart.
1121
00:57:27,140 --> 00:57:28,740
Then this battle was going back and forth.
1122
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:31,740
The guru guy goes, yeah, I can skip a few beats.
1123
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:32,660
Don't give up heart.
1124
00:57:32,660 --> 00:57:34,100
They kept going back and forth.
1125
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,260
I finally asked the guru guy, go why?
1126
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:39,740
I go, she's promising me peace and love and joy
1127
00:57:39,740 --> 00:57:42,620
and no pain and what are you promising me?
1128
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:43,940
And he just points to the people.
1129
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:46,580
Then he goes, I'm promising you more pain
1130
00:57:46,580 --> 00:57:48,620
than you've ever had in your life
1131
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:50,860
and more suffering than you ever had.
1132
00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:52,180
And the past you've had pain
1133
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:54,660
and you've miraculously taken the pain away,
1134
00:57:54,660 --> 00:57:56,860
but now you're going to have to learn to deal with pain
1135
00:57:56,860 --> 00:57:58,020
like regular people.
1136
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,360
So when you conquer pain and your injuries, your illness,
1137
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,580
you can teach it to others.
1138
00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:08,220
I'm going, that's not such a great deal.
1139
00:58:11,140 --> 00:58:14,460
I'm training off bliss for pain, right?
1140
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:15,460
So the next thing you know,
1141
00:58:15,460 --> 00:58:17,820
as this thing goes on for a long period of time,
1142
00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:21,220
all of a sudden it was like, I'm getting electrocuted.
1143
00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:22,460
They're just starting my heart.
1144
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:24,140
I don't know if they actually use paddles
1145
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:25,660
when they jumpstart your heart
1146
00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:27,980
or if they slap it around or what they do,
1147
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:30,020
but it was like paddles.
1148
00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:32,180
My body's going like electrical charge.
1149
00:58:32,180 --> 00:58:35,100
It was like boom on this mountain top.
1150
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:35,940
And next thing you know,
1151
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:40,940
I find myself 100% into my body laying on this table,
1152
00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:46,020
except now the anesthesia is worn off
1153
00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:48,860
and my chest cavity is still open
1154
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:52,020
and they're still sewing things up
1155
00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:54,940
and getting ready to wire up the chest.
1156
00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:56,820
And I got a tube down my throat.
1157
00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:58,680
I got my eyes taped shut.
1158
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:59,580
I'm strapped down.
1159
00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:00,420
I can't talk.
1160
00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:02,180
I can't move, can't communicate.
1161
00:59:02,180 --> 00:59:03,740
And I'm in my mind going,
1162
00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:08,740
hey, I feel everything about some anesthesia.
1163
00:59:08,740 --> 00:59:11,620
So you're the 5% he was talking about.
1164
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:13,300
Yeah, so this thing's going on
1165
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:14,660
and I hear him saying,
1166
00:59:14,660 --> 00:59:15,940
I don't know if he's waking up or not.
1167
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:17,060
Well, let's hurry and finish it.
1168
00:59:17,060 --> 00:59:18,260
He won't feel, he'll be okay.
1169
00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:19,100
He'll be okay.
1170
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:21,860
And I'm going, no, no, I can't even shake my head, right?
1171
00:59:21,860 --> 00:59:23,580
No, no.
1172
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:26,060
So the promise of more pain and suffering
1173
00:59:26,060 --> 00:59:28,100
started the minute I came back into my body.
1174
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:30,700
It was there with a vengeance.
1175
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:35,420
And anyway, so I was in the hospital then
1176
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:38,780
for another 10 days and I was losing it.
1177
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:41,700
I had 15 blood transfusions or some big amount.
1178
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:44,820
I mean, anyway, they would always give me transfusions.
1179
00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:47,940
And finally I got a call late at night
1180
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:51,780
and it was from India and it was from that guru.
1181
00:59:51,780 --> 00:59:53,900
And I answered the phone and he goes,
1182
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:58,900
he says, you can skip a few beats, but don't give up hard.
1183
00:59:59,060 --> 01:00:00,020
That was his words, right?
1184
01:00:00,020 --> 01:00:02,060
I go, what'd you say?
1185
01:00:02,060 --> 01:00:05,140
That's what I was getting in this vision thing, right?
1186
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:07,740
So he said it twice, right?
1187
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:08,580
And I go, wow.
1188
01:00:08,580 --> 01:00:10,620
And then he goes, he says,
1189
01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:12,340
he said, I just asked about a hundred people here
1190
01:00:12,340 --> 01:00:15,220
to go up to the temple at the ashram to pray for you
1191
01:00:15,220 --> 01:00:16,740
because I was going to heal you.
1192
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:19,460
You don't want to embarrass me and make me a liar.
1193
01:00:19,460 --> 01:00:20,660
Well, I had a sense of humor.
1194
01:00:20,660 --> 01:00:21,860
That's awesome.
1195
01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:23,660
So then I don't know if you've got time for it,
1196
01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:26,980
but one last piece of this that fits right in with that.
1197
01:00:26,980 --> 01:00:27,980
Go right ahead.
1198
01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:31,220
It was in that reading that I had that naughty palm reading.
1199
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:33,420
They said, one day you're going to be sitting
1200
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:37,980
or standing or something and Babaji or Shiva
1201
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:40,260
or some great being will get to come
1202
01:00:40,260 --> 01:00:43,620
and is going to anoint you with oil and water and bless you.
1203
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:46,740
Like it's coming out of the sky or something, right?
1204
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:48,980
I thought, well, that's a stupid prediction.
1205
01:00:48,980 --> 01:00:52,020
Well, I'm laying in the hospital bed the day before I leave.
1206
01:00:54,020 --> 01:00:55,900
I'm looking up and it's like my body,
1207
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:59,820
like my bed had a crystal bowl covering it.
1208
01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:01,060
It was all energy.
1209
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:03,060
It was like there was nothing outside.
1210
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:03,900
I couldn't see it.
1211
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:05,420
That was like crystal energy.
1212
01:01:05,420 --> 01:01:06,500
And it was covering my bed.
1213
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:09,180
Like everything outside of it was outside the world,
1214
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:11,740
but I'm in this comfort zone inside.
1215
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:12,900
And I'm looking at the end of my bed
1216
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:16,140
and there's Babaji with no shirt on
1217
01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:18,620
with he's my American dream.
1218
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:22,020
So, okay, he has a pair of Levi's on his bare foot.
1219
01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:24,300
And he's standing at the foot of my bed,
1220
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:26,340
which is at least six, seven feet away.
1221
01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:30,460
And somehow he's pouring oil and water on my forehead
1222
01:01:30,460 --> 01:01:33,340
and his hand is touching my head and my spiritual eye.
1223
01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:35,940
And he's chanting and blessing me.
1224
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:38,260
And I'm feeling so much love and bliss.
1225
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:42,780
I'm thinking, wow, if this is a delusion, it's beautiful.
1226
01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:44,380
Let it continue.
1227
01:01:44,380 --> 01:01:45,700
I figured nobody's ever gonna believe me.
1228
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:47,660
I'm never gonna say nothing.
1229
01:01:47,660 --> 01:01:50,980
So I get home from the hospital a couple of days later,
1230
01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:53,860
my daughter, my daughter comes over.
1231
01:01:53,860 --> 01:01:55,700
She says, dad, our old neighbor Dave,
1232
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:56,700
he went by to visit you.
1233
01:01:56,700 --> 01:01:58,420
And I said, no, no, I never saw him.
1234
01:01:58,420 --> 01:01:59,420
He wasn't there.
1235
01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:00,980
She says, no, no, he came the day before
1236
01:02:00,980 --> 01:02:01,820
he left the hospital.
1237
01:02:01,820 --> 01:02:03,540
I said, no, he didn't come.
1238
01:02:03,540 --> 01:02:04,540
He said, yes.
1239
01:02:04,540 --> 01:02:07,660
He said he was there and he went into your room
1240
01:02:07,660 --> 01:02:09,060
and he got embarrassed because he looked
1241
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:11,140
and he had some crazy young Indian guy
1242
01:02:11,140 --> 01:02:14,220
with no shirt on barefoot and Levi's
1243
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:15,780
pouring weird stuff on your head
1244
01:02:15,780 --> 01:02:17,900
and chanting in some crazy language.
1245
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:20,300
And he laughed and he was embarrassed so he left.
1246
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:24,100
So there's somebody that didn't believe in any of this
1247
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:27,420
and he's telling my daughter exactly what I was having done
1248
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:29,700
and she didn't know about either.
1249
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:30,540
I told her.
1250
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:33,020
So that was the rest of that experience
1251
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:34,500
kind of all tied together.
1252
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:37,060
So was that a near death experience?
1253
01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:37,900
What was it?
1254
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:41,060
I don't know, but sometimes things define logic
1255
01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:43,380
and that whole episode defies logic.
1256
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:46,580
Yeah, that's amazing.
1257
01:02:46,580 --> 01:02:47,820
I have a question for you.
1258
01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:49,660
Hopefully this will make you think about it.
1259
01:02:49,660 --> 01:02:52,180
This will make you think for a minute.
1260
01:02:52,180 --> 01:02:55,220
If you could right now meet that eight-year-old boy
1261
01:02:55,220 --> 01:02:58,700
that was so sick, what would you say to him?
1262
01:03:01,580 --> 01:03:02,420
I love you.
1263
01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:08,100
Yeah, I think that that child needed love
1264
01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:11,100
and he didn't have it growing up.
1265
01:03:12,460 --> 01:03:13,980
He always missing that hug, right?
1266
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:15,900
And then being in the hospital by yourself,
1267
01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:18,180
having visitors, 10, 15 minutes a week
1268
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:19,700
is not a lot of visitors.
1269
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:21,620
I mean, and nobody came.
1270
01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:22,460
So I just needed a hug.
1271
01:03:22,460 --> 01:03:24,380
That little eight-year-old boy needed to know
1272
01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:26,540
and I did from the divine sense,
1273
01:03:26,540 --> 01:03:27,900
but there was a part of me just needed to know,
1274
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:28,740
you know what?
1275
01:03:29,860 --> 01:03:30,700
I love you.
1276
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:32,020
The older you, loves you.
1277
01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:33,140
You're all right.
1278
01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:34,540
You're gonna do okay.
1279
01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:37,020
Just stay the course.
1280
01:03:37,020 --> 01:03:38,260
That's great.
1281
01:03:38,260 --> 01:03:39,740
What about somebody who's never had
1282
01:03:39,740 --> 01:03:42,180
an experience like this before?
1283
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:43,140
What's the bottom line?
1284
01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:46,940
What can they learn from all that you've just taught us?
1285
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:48,820
Death words, they sting.
1286
01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:49,900
There is no death.
1287
01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:54,180
Separation between the body is a natural.
1288
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:57,980
Someday we all leave the body behind.
1289
01:03:59,260 --> 01:04:03,100
It's not who we are.
1290
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:04,620
And I know I've had some experiences
1291
01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:07,860
and some hourly body experiences,
1292
01:04:07,860 --> 01:04:09,460
it's rain and blood body experiences
1293
01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:10,700
and all kinds of stuff.
1294
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:12,820
And I always come back and say,
1295
01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:17,100
no, that body was never me, was never me.
1296
01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:20,060
You know, it may be the clothing I'm wearing
1297
01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:22,820
for this dream life that I have,
1298
01:04:22,820 --> 01:04:25,540
but it's never me, never will be me.
1299
01:04:27,140 --> 01:04:27,980
I'm separate.
1300
01:04:28,940 --> 01:04:31,380
My eye is my spirit.
1301
01:04:31,380 --> 01:04:33,900
It's hard for us to understand that in this life.
1302
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:35,540
Everything is so physical.
1303
01:04:35,540 --> 01:04:39,060
Everything is, there's pain, there's consequences.
1304
01:04:39,060 --> 01:04:43,100
There's people being mean out there.
1305
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:45,260
There's people being horrible out there.
1306
01:04:45,260 --> 01:04:47,460
Sorry, I'm not trying to be a big downer here,
1307
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:51,660
but it's hard to keep our head up to that kind of a thought.
1308
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:53,540
How do we do that?
1309
01:04:53,540 --> 01:04:57,460
If you focus on living,
1310
01:04:57,460 --> 01:04:58,940
this is gonna sound cliche,
1311
01:04:58,940 --> 01:05:00,220
because everybody says it,
1312
01:05:00,220 --> 01:05:01,580
but I don't think they mean it at the depth
1313
01:05:01,580 --> 01:05:03,940
that I'm really trying to tell people.
1314
01:05:03,940 --> 01:05:05,900
Truly be in the moment.
1315
01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:08,140
You can't own the future and in the past,
1316
01:05:08,140 --> 01:05:09,620
you can't regurgitate it.
1317
01:05:09,620 --> 01:05:11,100
It's gone, it's finished.
1318
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:12,740
The only thing you got is now.
1319
01:05:12,740 --> 01:05:16,020
Even by me saying that, that's already in the past.
1320
01:05:16,020 --> 01:05:17,740
So just focus where you're at
1321
01:05:19,020 --> 01:05:23,580
and realize that everything you fear in the future,
1322
01:05:23,580 --> 01:05:25,260
90% of it ain't gonna happen.
1323
01:05:26,620 --> 01:05:27,980
And everything that you're moaning and groaning
1324
01:05:27,980 --> 01:05:30,500
and complaining about that was painful in the past,
1325
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:31,980
it's gone.
1326
01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:33,620
And as soon as you stop remembering it,
1327
01:05:33,620 --> 01:05:34,700
so is the pain of it.
1328
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:38,020
So just focus, like you got surgery tomorrow,
1329
01:05:38,020 --> 01:05:40,380
I got pain, I got pulled my teeth out.
1330
01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:42,180
Focus now, right now you don't have anybody
1331
01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:44,380
pulling your tooth out, enjoy yourself.
1332
01:05:44,380 --> 01:05:47,340
Only focus on when you need to focus on your pain.
1333
01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:49,060
Pain's here to teach us a lot.
1334
01:05:50,140 --> 01:05:51,860
Pain is a lifeguard.
1335
01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:53,540
It keeps us out of trouble.
1336
01:05:53,540 --> 01:05:54,860
When you do something physical,
1337
01:05:54,860 --> 01:05:56,940
then you get pain, you know you should do it.
1338
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:58,660
Mentally, when you get mental pain,
1339
01:05:58,660 --> 01:05:59,500
because you're doing things,
1340
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:00,780
you're cheating on your wife,
1341
01:06:00,780 --> 01:06:03,260
you're doing this, you're doing crimes,
1342
01:06:03,260 --> 01:06:05,140
you're doing crimes, you're thinking wrong,
1343
01:06:05,140 --> 01:06:07,660
you get mental pain, you get spiritual pain.
1344
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:11,340
Pain is your lifeguard.
1345
01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:13,380
Listen to the pain, embrace the pain.
1346
01:06:14,260 --> 01:06:17,620
And when you're having physical things with your body,
1347
01:06:17,620 --> 01:06:20,420
look at it as a gift, not as a punishment.
1348
01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:23,620
I've just went through, they can't see
1349
01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:26,860
because this is all audio, but you're looking at my face,
1350
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:28,740
I've had over 300 stitches in the face
1351
01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:32,700
in the last 25 months or so.
1352
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:36,260
And nose cut off a couple of times, nostril cut off,
1353
01:06:36,260 --> 01:06:39,780
eyelid cut up, forehead taken off, you know that.
1354
01:06:40,980 --> 01:06:43,180
And you look at me and I'm going,
1355
01:06:43,180 --> 01:06:48,180
hey, it's healed, it comes back, it's just pain.
1356
01:06:48,380 --> 01:06:50,340
If you come back with positive attitude
1357
01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:52,100
and a smile on your face,
1358
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:55,380
even scars seem to disappear, people don't notice.
1359
01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:57,020
I don't see them.
1360
01:06:57,020 --> 01:07:01,060
Literally, I would have had no idea that that had happened.
1361
01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:03,500
I think for an old geezer, you look really good.
1362
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:06,100
You're welcome.
1363
01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:10,820
But it's like, I'm out now doing what I was supposed to do.
1364
01:07:10,820 --> 01:07:15,500
I'm giving workshops around the world.
1365
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:18,620
Hopefully I'm doing these in India and the UK,
1366
01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:21,500
but I'm doing these now I'm scheduled for
1367
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:24,260
Encinitas, California, Elk Grove, California,
1368
01:07:24,260 --> 01:07:26,180
Salt Lake City in February,
1369
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:29,660
Rochester, New York in April,
1370
01:07:29,660 --> 01:07:34,060
Raleigh, North Carolina in April as well.
1371
01:07:34,060 --> 01:07:37,340
I'll be going to Florida in the summer, Texas.
1372
01:07:37,340 --> 01:07:41,940
And I'm going out and I'm teaching the art of self-healing,
1373
01:07:43,060 --> 01:07:45,660
having people have to deal with pain
1374
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:47,540
at spiritual, mental and physical levels
1375
01:07:47,540 --> 01:07:50,740
and actually how to heal their body, mind, spirit.
1376
01:07:50,740 --> 01:07:53,340
They are the healer, all heal.
1377
01:07:53,340 --> 01:07:55,900
That's why placebos work.
1378
01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:57,820
You give a guy a sugar pill and they go,
1379
01:07:57,820 --> 01:08:00,300
well, placebo cured him.
1380
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:02,060
Well, that is something that worked
1381
01:08:02,060 --> 01:08:03,940
because he believed in it and he believed in himself.
1382
01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:06,460
Then he had, if you believe in Western medicine,
1383
01:08:06,460 --> 01:08:09,580
if you believe in your doctor, that's 90% of the battle.
1384
01:08:09,580 --> 01:08:11,060
But I, through my workshop,
1385
01:08:11,060 --> 01:08:13,660
are teaching people to love themselves,
1386
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:15,380
to believe in themselves,
1387
01:08:15,380 --> 01:08:18,140
stop looking for a lifeguard outside yourself.
1388
01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:22,900
The guru, the teachers within, the healers within,
1389
01:08:22,900 --> 01:08:27,780
learn to tap into that, be in charge of your own life.
1390
01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:32,380
But you can moderate and control and eliminate your pain
1391
01:08:32,380 --> 01:08:34,820
at spiritual, physical and mental levels.
1392
01:08:34,820 --> 01:08:36,300
And that's what I'm teaching.
1393
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:39,740
And you mentioned UK, we have a lot of listeners in the UK.
1394
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:42,380
So we'll have something in the show notes
1395
01:08:42,380 --> 01:08:44,100
so they can find you.
1396
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:47,500
Okay, Reverend Bill, thank you so much for your time today.
1397
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:48,340
Well, thank you.
1398
01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:50,900
And if they want to know more, I got several books out,
1399
01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:55,900
but, Warrior, A Spiritual Odyssey is my autobiography.
1400
01:08:55,900 --> 01:09:00,220
That is on Amazon as is the follow-up book
1401
01:09:00,220 --> 01:09:01,860
to that kind of like a supplement,
1402
01:09:01,860 --> 01:09:05,180
what happened after that book, Alchemy of a Warrior's Heart,
1403
01:09:05,180 --> 01:09:06,700
which takes trips to India
1404
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:09,860
and my third near-death experience and second one.
1405
01:09:09,860 --> 01:09:12,860
So I thank you for allowing me to be on your show.
1406
01:09:12,860 --> 01:09:15,540
And I hope this talk inspires somebody.
1407
01:09:15,540 --> 01:09:16,380
That's all I ask for.
1408
01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:18,620
You don't have to believe anything I say.
1409
01:09:18,620 --> 01:09:21,340
In fact, being a skeptic is healthy.
1410
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:23,540
But look in your own heart.
1411
01:09:23,540 --> 01:09:24,820
Reverend Bill is just telling you that
1412
01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:27,380
the only thing in life that is real is love.
1413
01:09:28,980 --> 01:09:31,340
He's skeptical at everything else.
1414
01:09:31,340 --> 01:09:32,860
Amen, good ending.
1415
01:09:32,860 --> 01:09:33,780
Thank you again.
1416
01:09:37,020 --> 01:09:39,260
If you have had a round trip death experience,
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01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:40,860
we would love to hear about it.
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01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:44,660
Send an email to eric at roundtripdeath.com.
1419
01:09:44,660 --> 01:09:47,660
And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting,
1420
01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:50,620
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01:09:50,620 --> 01:09:53,300
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01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:56,380
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1423
01:09:56,380 --> 01:09:58,980
Until next time, I wish you everything good
1424
01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:02,180
that you're looking for in this life and the next.
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01:10:02,180 --> 01:10:23,780
I'll see you next time.
