#240 - Rev. Bill McDonald Spiritual Warrior & His 3 NDE's

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One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die?

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Is death the end or a new beginning?

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Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast.

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In this show, we listen to first-hand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and

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return to talk about it.

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We are so happy to have with us today, Reverend Bill McDonald out of California.

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Reverend Bill, how are you?

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Well, I know that you're in the hustle bustle of that big city, Daniel, today, so I don't

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want to hold you from your pointed rounds since you're some kind of county official

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there.

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You're not supposed to tell people where I live.

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I'm supposed to be the anonymous one here.

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I just say I'm in Utah.

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So hopefully people will ignore what they just heard.

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Anyway, how's the weather out in California?

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As you can tell, I'm bundled up today.

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I'm actually wearing socks for the fourth day this month.

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So it's a cold day in California when you wear socks.

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That's really a shame.

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For those of us that woke up with, I think it was 11 degrees out this morning.

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Anyway, I would love for our listeners to get to know you a little bit before we jump

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into our favorite subject, which is talking about near-death experiences.

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Can you just take one or two minutes and tell us something about you so people have an idea

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of who Reverend Bill is?

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Well, I would say I'm unique, but then everybody in the world is unique.

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But in my particular case, my background is so varied.

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Not only am I an author and a public speaker, when I say speaker, I go around the world.

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I go to India, South America, and Asia, and across the United States and Canada and Mexico

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and wherever else to talk.

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But I've also been involved in making documentary films as an advisor or been in them.

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I'm a spiritual coach.

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I teach meditation, yoga.

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I am a scuba diving instructor for about 50 years.

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I mean, you name it, I've kind of got my fingers in a lot of different things.

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But the most important job I have now at this age is grandfather, number one job, grandfather.

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Isn't that an awesome one?

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How many do you have?

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Six.

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And I got one still in high school, and he graduates this year.

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That's really cool.

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That's fun.

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Well, let's go back in time.

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You've had more than one NDE, by the way.

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So let's go back to when you were a child and talk about a really neat spiritual experience

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you had back then.

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Okay, it started off, I started off, I was so young, I was, I was speechless.

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I started off my life, and I've always had this inner conversation or outer conversation

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with with the divine.

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Other people may have imaginary friends or whatever, but I always felt like I was communicating

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with with God or with Jesus or with somebody or angels or something.

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I always felt that connectiveness, that that energy was protecting me.

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And when I was eight years old, I got extremely sick.

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I mean, literally, definitely sick.

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I started off as the mumps, and the mumps weren't treated, and then it got to be strep

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throat and then it got to be eye infection.

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And then it got to be pneumonia, lungs got infected, then it got to be the kidneys, kidneys

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got infected.

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And everything just kind of went downhill, started shutting off.

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Finally, they sent me home from school because they saw I was sick.

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And the doctor came, the doctor came to my house.

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You remember, you're old enough to remember house calls?

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No, no, I guess I am not that old, but I've seen them on TV.

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Yeah, I mean, they weren't fiction.

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They actually have.

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Doctor came to the house and said, this this kid is he's dying.

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You got to get him to the doctor, get him to the hospital.

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So I was taken to the hospital.

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As soon as I got there, they put me on a gurney, strapped me down.

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I was eight years old, never been away from home before.

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And they told my parents that they didn't think I was going to make it, you know, that

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they should be prepared for the possibility I was going to be dead.

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And then my parents left and then they rolled me out of the room and they rolled me into

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an isolation ward, which was outside the main building in a wooden building.

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And then they went to me.

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My lungs were filled up with fluid and I could hardly breathe.

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And they punched holes in my thumb in my lungs and they pumped fluid out.

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And but my kidneys were really badly gone.

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And the whole system, everything was just, you know, one thing goes.

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The next thing goes, everything was shutting down.

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So they were fully expecting to have me be terminal.

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But they took care of me, got rid of that, put me to bed in a room all by myself, first

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time away from home, totally by myself, turn the lights off.

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And there I am in a dark room, no nurse, nobody coming by to hold my hand and say, how are

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you doing?

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How do you feel, kid?

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No, no parents, no nothing, totally alone.

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I'm laying there in bed feeling really lonely, you know, it's a and in great pain.

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And then all of a sudden in the total darkness, I feel light.

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And I mean that both ways, light, like light weight and light like L.I.G.H.T. like light

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shining on you.

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I felt light and it was like my body and I were separating.

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And I realized that I was not the body because as I was going through this separation between

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the body, the physical body and the real me, I could look down and I could see this poor

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child, this young boy laying in this bed that I'm thinking, well, I feel sorry for him.

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I'm glad I'm not him because he looks pretty bad.

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But there was this awareness that that not that's not me.

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That's not the real me.

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I'm the me that's watching this, that's observing all this.

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And so I'm kind of hovering up over my body and the room starts to lighten up more and

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more with total darkness to illuminated.

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And it was like clouds floating in there.

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It's like I was in a cloud.

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Imagine flying through a cloud in the sky when it looks like with a puffiness.

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That was it.

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It was just it was bright lights.

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And I was beginning to feel very calm, very peaceful.

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I was feeling loved, very loved.

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I mean, it was like it was like the universe was hugging me.

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It was like a million Italian grandmas were hugging you.

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I mean, it was that kind of love.

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It was like, you know, expected to see God come out and pinch my cheeks and say, I love

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you.

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I mean, it was just that kind of feeling.

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I was just feeling so blissful and it felt so right.

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And there was no fear.

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And I and I when I thought about my body, I looked down and I saw that it was no attachment.

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And when I returned to that body or was a part of that body, it didn't matter to me

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at that stage.

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I was just feeling great.

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And I said, totally painless.

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And I realized that I wasn't connected.

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The body was lately laying there literally lifeless.

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It wasn't moving, wasn't breathing.

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And yet there I was.

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And it felt natural.

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It felt like, yes, this is the way it always is.

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You know, we're not really that body.

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So that kind of went through this revelation at that age that this is this is the real

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you that's that's not the body.

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And then I looked up and I saw the clouds and pictures and images started to form and

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now realize that when you talk to and you've talked to many near death experiencers and

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they're old and they and they they die.

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They have a moment of death and they go through a life review and they go back on their past.

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Well, eight years old, I got no past to go back on.

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What do you look at?

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So it's like mine is going forward.

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I'm doing a review of things that are going to happen in my life in the future.

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Major things.

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Can we call it a preview instead of a review?

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Exactly.

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Good, good terminology is exactly what it was.

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But at the time, I was kind of it took me a while to kind of figure it out.

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I'm looking at that and I'm identifying with the information being presented with the images

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on these cloud like things.

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I'm seeing I'm seeing what I believe to be the president United States.

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John F. Kennedy, but I didn't know Kennedy was.

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I didn't know his name.

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But later on, I recognized the image.

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I saw Kennedy being assassinated in Texas, you know, right in the back of a car and this

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guy falling over.

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My vision was a little different than what the Warren Commission said.

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I mean, I saw another shooter.

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So what do I know?

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Maybe a flaw, you know, maybe a flawed vision, but anyway, I saw more than one shooter.

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And then I saw in high school, meeting this beautiful girl.

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And I knew when I'm looking at this, because I could see future.

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This was the girl that I was going to marry.

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And I was going to spend the rest of my life with this this woman.

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I know when I met her, then that's the one I'm going to marry.

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And then I saw houses I was going to live in and I saw things and saw places I was going

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to work.

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And then I saw this great war.

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Now at eight years old, the only war I ever heard about was the Korean War, because I

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saw that newsreel footage back then.

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In those days, believe it or not, they had news newsreels.

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When you went to the movie theater, you had a newsreel, right?

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It come in tracks and cartoons, two features at the movies and a serial on Saturday.

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Right.

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Flash Gordon.

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So what I remember all this and it didn't look like that.

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But this war had helicopters and had a funny looking helicopter look like a tadpole, which

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I know now is like a Huey.

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They hadn't even been invented there.

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This was like 1954.

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They hadn't even been invented yet.

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And there's these helicopters tonight.

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I find myself sitting behind a what looks like a machine gun on one of these helicopters

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flying around in this war is going on.

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And I see myself in battles.

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I see myself crashing.

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I see myself getting shot at, shot up, blown up.

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I see all kinds of things happening.

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But the good news on that is I see myself after the war.

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I mean, oh, I didn't get killed there.

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That's all right.

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That's a good thing.

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Right.

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Always a good thing.

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But I also realize as I'm seeing these things that if I'm seeing forward to the future,

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then that means I'm not dying now.

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That means I got to go back to that sick, damaged body that I'm, you know, that I just

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abandoned and live to the point where I get to this future.

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And the thought was a little bit painful because I knew the body I was going to have to go

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back into.

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But I saw the future for about, as it turned out, about almost 59 years until I was about

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59 years old.

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So it was about 50 years forward in time.

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And while I'm watching that, there was a couple of numbers that were flipping.

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There was a 29 and then the two would flip over, look like a five.

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So it was 29, 59.

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I had no clue what that meant at the time.

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Later on when we're talking and discussing my second near death experience, I'd say where

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those numbers go.

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OK.

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I just had this.

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So I thought at the time I go, well, 29, 59 is something going to happen to me at 29?

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Am I going to die at 29 or 59?

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Maybe, you know, I didn't know.

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So I had all this forward knowledge of things and events that were going to happen to me

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and some events that were going to happen in the world.

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And so then the clouds started fading and it was like a vacuum.

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It was like, and I'm, I'm sucked down into my little frail, weak, skinny, sick body that

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was suffering.

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And I spent the next one year, almost one full year in the hospital, most of it in isolation

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or by myself or the few other people in the room.

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During that time, I had no visitors.

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So my parents would come once a week on the weekend for 15, 10 to 15 minutes.

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The rest of the time I was totally by myself.

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No school, no toys, no television, no radio, no record player, no magazines, no coloring

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books, nothing.

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And people go, oh, that's so terrible.

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But what happened was that year of isolation and total bed rest wasn't allowed to go anywhere.

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I had to stay in bed.

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Taught me a great deal about myself and my inner life because I was able to, to use my

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mind to take journeys and trips.

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And I, and I, and I made up these meditations and things like I would hold my eyes and I

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pushed my eyes in so they would see colors.

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And I was looking at what turns out to be the spiritual eye.

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And then I would pray to Jesus or pray to God.

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And I spent all my time just conversing and talking with God.

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And I didn't care if he answered me or not.

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It was like, I felt in love.

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I felt this love brewing for God.

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And I had all that time.

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I had nothing to do all day.

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So that's pretty much what I did.

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And I learned to take trips.

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And then on my mind, I wanted to go to, I just read the book at eight years old.

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I just read the book, Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda.

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Now all kids read that, right?

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I mean, come on.

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It's up there, right?

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And there was a chapter there about him meeting this avatar, which I didn't know what the

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word was, avatar, whatever that is.

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And then anyway, this great being Babaji.

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And there was a chapter on that.

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And then met him in a place called this cave that they call Babaji's Cave.

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And at the time I read that, I go, I'm going to Babaji's Cave.

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It's one of the last things I'm ever going to do.

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I'm going to find Babaji's Cave.

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At that time it wasn't publicly known where it was at.

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It wasn't a place you could tour to.

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I didn't do anything about it till I was in my fifties, but that was my pledge.

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I'm going, no, I'm going to Babaji's Cave.

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And I pictured myself going there and everything.

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And I saw myself as an older man going there.

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I didn't, but as I grew up, I kept trying to get there, you know, take a trip there.

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And I tried all kinds of various ways.

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So in high school, I met my future wife.

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And I'm happy to say that 53 years later, we're still hanging together.

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Congratulations.

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That's amazing.

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We dated in my senior year.

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And I think we actually met when we were 14 in our freshman year, but we didn't start

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dating till my senior year at 17.

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And then I broke up with her because I knew I was going to marry her, but I also knew

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I had to go to Vietnam and she was going to go to UC Berkeley, go off to college and all

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this.

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I knew all this other stuff was coming.

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And I hitchhiked to Europe and crossed the world and did all kinds of things.

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So I couldn't be tied down.

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It was too early.

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I knew it wasn't the right time.

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And of course, she didn't understand that.

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And you break it up with me.

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Well, you know, that was like a bad thing, right?

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So in our senior year, November 22nd, Kennedy was assassinated.

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Two weeks prior, I'm telling my school teachers, I'm telling the principal and I'm telling

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other people, hey, the president of the United States is going to get shot and killed when

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he goes to Dallas, Texas.

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I've seen it.

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What do you mean you see it?

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No, I've seen it.

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I've seen it.

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Right.

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I saw those visions in the hospital.

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Right.

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And I had my near death experience and I started dreaming it again every day for two weeks.

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Every time I went to bed at night, I dreamt it.

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And it was really weird.

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I dreamt it in black and white, just like it was on black and white television.

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There was no color TV back then.

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So it was just like I was watching it on television.

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And I knew that it was going to happen.

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Now, unlike today, if some young, young guy in high school went to the principal and he

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said the president was going to get shot and then the next week the president gets shot,

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they'd have the police, the FBI.

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You're in jail.

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They'd be all over me.

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Right.

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I mean, I'd be interrogated.

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Nothing happened.

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Right.

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This happens.

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And they just go, oh, how'd you know?

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Well also, I'm wondering after it happened, did you feel any guilt?

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Like couldn't I do something about it?

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Because no one would listen to you.

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Oh, no, who's going to listen to a 17-year-old kid going, hey, don't go, hey, president,

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don't go to Texas.

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Yeah, that's not going to happen.

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But how did you feel when it happened?

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Well, that's the first, that's an interesting question because that was one of my big issues

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growing up, especially when I went to Vietnam.

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When you know something's going to happen to somebody and something not good, and what's

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the definition of good, right?

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Like, you know, somebody getting killed or somebody getting wounded or a helicopter's

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going to crash and burn.

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I knew these things.

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And when I went to Vietnam, I went there in 1966, October 66.

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I was a crew chief door gunner on a Huey helicopter.

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I found myself sitting behind a machine gun just like I foresaw in my preview, my life

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preview.

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Right.

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Well, let me stop you for a second, because you've got such an amazing story from Vietnam.

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And that's because of spiritual experiences you had ever since this eight-year-old experience.

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Would you rather skip ahead to your second near-death experience first, or do you want

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to hit on Vietnam now?

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Let's hit on this for a moment.

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OK, let's do it.

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There's one story in particular, which I think, you know, if you go online, somebody goes

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to my website, or they go to my Facebook page and read my books, they go, oh, you're a hero.

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Look at this.

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You got a stainless flying cross, bronze star, purple heart, 14-year-old medals, et cetera,

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et cetera.

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What they don't know is the bravest thing I ever did was disobey direct order in combat

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and be charged with mutiny.

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And it was the bravest thing I ever did.

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I didn't got no medal for it.

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They don't give you a medal for disobeying orders.

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But I saved 30-some lives.

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And it's because we're flying over jungle.

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I got a new pilot.

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And this officer goes, he looks down this jungle and he sees these troops, looks like

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troops that look like troops, black pajamas marching through this jungle.

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They look like they had weapons on their soldier.

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And we're up there and he's saying, look, there's VC down there, just Viet Cong.

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Mac, he called you Mac, right, because McDonald's.

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Because Mac, get on your gun.

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Shoot him.

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Shoot him.

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And he's got a 260 machine gun that fires 760 rounds a minute.

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A minute.

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I mean, that's like firepower, right?

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Yeah.

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You could cut a house in half.

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Yeah.

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There's 7.62 millimeters.

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I mean, they're like two times or more the size of an M16.

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I mean, they're huge rounds.

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So he's telling me, give you order.

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Fire those guys.

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So he swings the helicopter around.

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He's got a machine gun trained right on these guys.

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And there's like about 30 something of them.

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And there's a guy in the front.

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And it looks exactly what he said they were.

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But I go, no, I've seen this before.

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I knew intuitively, no, deja vu, right?

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Deja vu.

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Back when I was eight years old, I go, no, this is not what it appears to be.

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I wasn't exactly sure what it was.

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But I knew intuitively, don't fire.

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So I took my hands off the machine gun.

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I go, no, sir, not firing.

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It's not what you think it is.

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And he got mad at me and he gave me direct orders.

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And he told me if I failed to follow his orders, he was going to charge me with the failure

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to follow orders in combat and et cetera, et cetera.

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And then I said, no, I'm not firing because it's not what it looks like.

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It's a mistake.

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So he swung the helicopter around the other side and the gun around the left side, he

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gave him the same order.

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And a guy on the other side had been flying with me for about four or five months.

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And he goes, sir, he says, I've been flying with McDonald.

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And when he has a feeling, there's always a reason.

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So I was right.

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He says, if he ain't firing, I ain't firing.

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So now this major, this pilot is getting really upset.

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And he goes, you know, both of you disobeyed a direct order.

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He says, that's mutiny.

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He says, I'm going to see it to it that you guys get the death penalty or life in prison.

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You disobeyed a direct order.

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I'm telling you to do it.

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I'm going to charge you.

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So this guy, here's the guy that deserved a medal because he didn't have the feelings

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I had.

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He didn't know what I knew.

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And he goes, no, if McDonald's not doing it, I'm not doing it.

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Now that's guts.

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Had I been wrong about what follows in the story, had I been wrong, I was 21 at the time.

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I'm 76 going on 77.

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I would have still been in jail today had they not executed me.

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I would have got a life sentence.

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That's a long time, a whole wasted life, right?

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So finally I convinced the pilot.

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I said, fly down there.

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I'm on my gun.

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If it's bad guys, they're going to shoot at me, I will shoot back and we'll take care

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of the situation.

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So we flew down about a hundred feet over and it turns out it's a bunch of children

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from the local village, the Hamlet being marched down to the community garden by a Catholic

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priest in a black robe.

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And all these kids are in black pajamas and they didn't have weapons on their shoulders.

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They had shovels, rakes, holes, tools for the garden.

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Had I fired, I would have killed 30 something children and a priest and it has to be a Cardinal

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Synod of some kind.

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It's got to be a bad one, right?

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So when they saw what it was, I mean, I couldn't see the face of the pilots, but they have

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a helmet on and they're facing and I'm in the back seat, right?

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So I don't know.

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I imagine they'd probably turn a sheet of white.

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But that pilot ever since then, the rest of his time in Vietnam, he was so nice to me.

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So nice to me, but he didn't put me in for metal for that.

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I don't think there's a medal for that.

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No, no, it's a, but it's a, yeah, it's interesting, but that was the bravest thing I did.

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And yet, you know, I got all these medals and I got put in for Silver Star and I got

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all this other stuff.

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And those things, I wasn't a rogue because, and I said this in another interview once,

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the real heroes are afraid.

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They don't know what's going to happen.

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They don't know if they're going to get killed or wounded or lose a limb.

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And yet they do it.

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Me, I knew I wasn't going to get killed.

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What's brave about that?

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I know I get out of this.

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So I go ahead and do these things.

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That's not bravery.

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That's just intuition at work.

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Anyway.

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Now let's go forward.

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Realize that 50 years or so pass.

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Remember my desire to go to Babaji's cave when I was eight years old.

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Yes.

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Still had that desire.

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And after several failed attempts to get to India, you know, things didn't work out.

447
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Anyway, I'm retired finally.

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And I'm going, okay, I'm getting up there.

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I'm almost, I'm almost 59.

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I got a few months.

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I'm going to be 59 years old.

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And I kept remembering that tumbling numbers.

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Remember the two that turned to a five, five, nine, two, nine.

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And I'm going, well, I didn't die at 29, but I got pretty sick.

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A lot of things happened.

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Maybe I'm going to die at 59.

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Maybe I need to go to India now because that was my thing.

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Got to go to India before I die.

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Right.

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Got to go to Babaji's cave.

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So I'm there with a friend and we're traveling.

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We finally get to this ashram up in the Himalayan mountains that is the guardian, the guardianship

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of this cave and has a lock on it and bars and keeps vandals away.

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And it's kind of secret.

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And you have to have a guide to take you up there because you can't find it.

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So I show up there and then Swami was there and he's getting ready to leave the next day.

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And he's has everybody's gone off in the village to some special ceremony celebration.

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And he goes, he says, I don't have anybody to take you there.

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He says, the only way you can go there is if you go there on your own and I don't think

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you can find it.

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And I said, try me.

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So he gives me these instructions and the instructions are, well, you leave the ashram,

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you go down here about 15, maybe 20 miles.

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You'll see a couple of roads, but don't take those.

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Take the road that looks like that's probably the road.

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This is the instructions.

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That's probably the road.

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Take it to the left, maybe to the right, but I think it's the left.

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Go down that road till you got no choices and then take a dirt road that you look at,

480
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stop and then hike down.

481
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,080
Do you see a bunch of trails coming into that?

482
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,240
And then you'll see a trail marker takes you to the top.

483
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,720
And then how do you get in the cave?

484
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,720
And he gave me some keys.

485
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,880
He used to open up this and I said, he says, but good luck.

486
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,360
And I said, look, I may never come this way again.

487
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,320
I'm going to see that cave, even if it kills me.

488
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,720
That was my words, even if it kills me.

489
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,720
Right.

490
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,200
So he says, okay, but be back by five o'clock or five 30.

491
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,200
And because he locks up the ashram, these big gates and all your stuff will be locked

492
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,200
inside.

493
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,400
You'll have to stay in the car.

494
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,800
So we take off early in the mornings.

495
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,200
We're going down the road and my driver does know where he's going.

496
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,600
And I finally go, well, okay, turn here.

497
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,600
Okay.

498
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,960
So he turns and we got to go, okay, turn there.

499
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,960
Okay.

500
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Stop over there.

501
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,080
And then we get, and we start walking and my friend's kind of scratching his head going,

502
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,080
he had no clue.

503
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,440
And I said, no, no, I'm just, just go with the intuition here.

504
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,360
And so we get there and we see a sign that says, well, I would just cave in.

505
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:03,360
It's got an hour.

506
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,760
The only trouble is somebody's taking it up from the trailhead and they thrown it and

507
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,760
we found it on the road with no idea where the trail's at.

508
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,760
And we go down there and there's about 10 cow trails, you know, animal trails.

509
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,820
So it's one of those.

510
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:19,280
So we get on one and we're hiking.

511
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:24,760
It was supposed to take 90 minutes, two hours to get to this cave and it's four and a half,

512
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,760
five hours.

513
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,760
We're hiking.

514
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,760
We didn't bring coats.

515
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,760
We didn't bring matches.

516
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,760
We didn't bring a flashlight.

517
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,760
We didn't bring food.

518
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:31,760
We didn't bring any water.

519
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,400
And we're up at altitude in Himalayas.

520
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,640
And I was hot and sweaty.

521
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,560
And then I thought, well, I'm okay.

522
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,560
I'm not sweating anymore.

523
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Cause I was just drenched.

524
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,560
It's almost like I wasn't sweating.

525
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,440
I mean, that's a bit of clue.

526
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,640
You stop sweating when you're getting dehydrated, right?

527
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,640
Yeah, that's a bad sign.

528
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,640
Yeah, yeah.

529
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,640
Bad sign.

530
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,800
And then I had dysentery.

531
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,920
In fact, the three weeks before I got there, I had lost 18 pounds from dysentery.

532
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,680
I was just having fumes going in, fumes coming out.

533
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,080
So I was really weak and I was having trouble.

534
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,400
And I was having chest pains and I was having trouble with, I had epilepsy and I was having

535
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,720
trouble with my head and everything.

536
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,280
I was not doing good.

537
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,160
Finally, as I'm getting blurry eyed and things aren't going right, my chest is pounding like

538
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,880
I'm having a heart attack.

539
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,760
We see this temple on top of this hill.

540
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,120
We go up the top, we got the keys, we open it up and they built a temple up there, Babaji's

541
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,120
temple.

542
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,080
And I went inside and I'm laying there on the temple floor because I'm just practically

543
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,080
dying.

544
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,920
And I caught my breath and I knew I just had a short distance to go to the cave, probably

545
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,480
another 100 meters, but it was uphill.

546
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,880
And caught my breath.

547
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,620
And then we hiked the last bit, got to the cave, unlocked this metal door that had bars

548
00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:53,620
on it like a jail.

549
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:55,320
And we went inside.

550
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,240
There was blankets on the floor of the cave.

551
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:05,320
I brought with me several pieces of, I think four typewritten pages, both sides, number

552
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,680
10, Adesia, no spaces, just minimal spaces and this full page.

553
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:17,240
I wrote down and typed a name of everybody I could think of that I've ever met as a child,

554
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:24,680
doctors, friends, teachers, family, enemies, bosses, people in NAM, people that I fought

555
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,000
against, what I remember what they looked like, I'd describe them, beggars that I helped

556
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,080
or didn't help or somebody on the side of the room.

557
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,320
I put down everybody I could think of on this list of four pages.

558
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,160
And when I went into this temple, just so they'd done in other spots, like at the Ganges

559
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:46,400
and other places, I'd read these and ask God to bless all the names of the people.

560
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,080
Because I figured these people were never going to get to Babaji's cave, never in their

561
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,080
lifetime.

562
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,280
But I had them there and mentally I read them and visualize them.

563
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,160
Some people I couldn't remember their name, never knew their name.

564
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,160
God knows who they are.

565
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,120
God knows, he'll sort it out.

566
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,800
God knows who they are, right?

567
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,520
So I read all the names, said a prayer for them, put it back in my pocket.

568
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,920
I skip ahead and I'll come back.

569
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:19,520
I ended up taking that list to the Ganges River at sunrise a couple of weeks later,

570
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,440
came out on a boat and I read the list of names and asked for a blessing for them.

571
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,440
And then I took a match and I burned this list to ashes and let the ashes fall on the

572
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:35,520
river just as the sun was just starting to gleam onto the waters of the Ganges.

573
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,400
So it was a beautiful orange morning.

574
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,440
It was just, and then, so anyway, so that list traveled with me through all these temples

575
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,440
and places, holy places in India.

576
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:49,440
Anyway, so we leave the temple or the cave and we're coming back and I'm like just as

577
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:57,080
just pounded crazy and I'm dizzy and we're lost and we got to time, we got to get back

578
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,080
for it gets dark.

579
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,600
And I'm standing on this ledge, cliff.

580
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:12,440
It's about 30 foot drop down and thank God that it had a couple of small ledges down

581
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,800
about six or eight feet and there was a two foot ledge and then that kind of thing.

582
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,920
So when I'm standing here and my heart's going boom, boom, boom, pounding, you can almost

583
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:31,400
see it, my shirt moving and all of a sudden it stopped pounding and blackness.

584
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,920
And I fell and apparently bounced on each of those ledges down 30 feet.

585
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:42,800
And I landed on this big boulder at the bottom about the size of a Volkswagen bug, just a

586
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,800
big old rock.

587
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600
And I'm laying there on my back.

588
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,120
You would think 30 feet, you broke your back, right?

589
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,680
30 feet, I'm laying up there and I'm looking at the sky.

590
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,760
And then it was in my mind, I'm thinking the Simpsons, you know, that shows up the symptoms

591
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,600
and shows the clouds open up.

592
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,040
It was like I'm looking at the clouds.

593
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:09,480
It's like the clouds are kind of opening up and next thing I know, I'm up in the clouds.

594
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,880
And I'm looking down and I'm going, wait a minute, I've done this before.

595
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,080
We've had this dance and I looked down at this body down there and it's in pain, it's

596
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,920
hurting, it's laying on the rock.

597
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,480
It's not breathing, it's not moving, it's not twitching, it's not doing nothing.

598
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:33,640
And I'm going, oh, well, if this is death, then I've just been to Babaji's cave, it's

599
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,640
okay.

600
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,640
It's okay.

601
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,440
I got my bucket list.

602
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,680
That was the top of my bucket list.

603
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,680
I did it.

604
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,320
Yeah, since you were eight years old, for those that haven't heard of Babaji's cave,

605
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,800
what's the significance of it?

606
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:55,920
This cave back in 1860 something and 50 something, at some date well before a hundred and something

607
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:02,680
years before I was born, this yogi, Larry Masha, was on an assignment for his company

608
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,720
and he decided to take a hike and he was hiking and he kept hearing somebody calling his name

609
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,960
and he went to follow the sounds and climbed up this mountain and found this cave.

610
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:20,320
And this cave was this avatar, this ancient Rishi that was waiting for him in the cave

611
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:27,960
and blessed him and taught him a meditation technique called Kriya Yoga and reincorporated

612
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,480
back in the world, which a lot of organizations now teach and different people teach.

613
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:38,520
So that was like a big thing in the yoga community, the meditation, because so yoga and I wrote

614
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,960
about it like that was a big change in world energy when this happened in that cave.

615
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,600
And then he talked about all the neat stuff that happened there.

616
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,960
And that's why I kind of wanted to see it.

617
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,000
I thought, wow, what a beautiful place to go, right?

618
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,840
I want the energy there.

619
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,800
So there I am laying down on my body is laying down on this rock.

620
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,560
And is your buddy just yelling, you know, he's dead, he's dead or something?

621
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,560
He's a little crazy.

622
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,320
I'm not paying attention to him, but he's up 30 feet looking down and I'm up here looking

623
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,520
at him looking down and going, hey, I'm up here.

624
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,320
Hey, you know, hey, you know, but he's looking down there.

625
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,720
And then all of a sudden, as I'm looking down there, there's a huge, I don't know if there's

626
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:23,920
any other thing when you're talking about a cobra crawling over your body, there's only

627
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,080
one size huge, right?

628
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,240
Aren't they all huge that crawl over your body?

629
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,240
Right.

630
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,360
So my wife reminds me, I try to tell the story.

631
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,160
She says, first time he told a story, it was only six, seven feet.

632
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,360
I said, last time he was a king cobra was 50.

633
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,360
I said, well, it was huge.

634
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,360
You know, it was huge.

635
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,800
So now I just say it's huge, right?

636
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:46,320
But I, it came out of this grass and I see it crawling over my legs and then it crawls

637
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,040
into the grass and then inside, but I can't see the tail and the head at the same time,

638
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,920
grass, the tails in and the heads, you know, so it's moving.

639
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,640
So I can never see the beginning and the end of this, but I'm so excited because I love

640
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,400
snakes craziness.

641
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,080
I love snakes and I feel, I feel love in my heart.

642
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,520
But I'm up there.

643
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,160
I don't have a heart, but my body has a heart.

644
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,160
I feel love in the heart.

645
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,000
It was like jumpstarted.

646
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:20,320
It was like those paddles you get clear and I jump up on the rock and I stand up and I

647
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,000
take a breath and I'm breathing and I got a pulse again and a snake is still crawling

648
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
across my shoes.

649
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,040
So I'm reaching down and I'm trying to grab it.

650
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,880
When I'm trying to grab this, of course, this is the only going to hear this, but I'm showing

651
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,960
you with my hands.

652
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,920
I got both of my hands wrapped up trying to wrap around the snake, the diameter of the

653
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,920
snake.

654
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,480
And there's a couple of inches that I'm not touching and I can't fully grab the snake.

655
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,320
It's that fat.

656
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,740
So I don't know how big or how much it weighed, but it was a big snake.

657
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:57,560
And so it's sleeping through the grass and I'm, I'm after it in my sandals, going through

658
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:03,680
grass chasing and trying to grab a very large Cobra.

659
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,920
And I chased it to a little tiny trickling waterfall.

660
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,120
It was only about seven, eight, nine feet tall trickle of water.

661
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,120
And the snake went up to our fall and crawled into a little hole behind it, curled up and

662
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,000
just was looking at me from a curled up position with that snake head with the hood.

663
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,280
And then I stopped and I just kind of mentally bowed to it.

664
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,600
And I looked at it and it was felt like, it felt like so much love.

665
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,080
It felt like me and the snake were communicating.

666
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,080
It was like love.

667
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,880
And then my friend, I hear my friend interrupting going, Bill, Bill, what are you doing?

668
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,880
Crazy man dancing down.

669
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:38,880
What are you doing?

670
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,880
What are you doing?

671
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,920
Anyway, we finally left, get back.

672
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:51,360
Just as guys lock in the gate, we pull up and the guy looks at me, the Swami, and he

673
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,240
looks at me and says, did you find Babaji's cave?

674
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,440
And I said, yeah, let me tell you what happened.

675
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,120
So I tell them the whole story, going up, falling down, having a heart attack, having

676
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:05,480
part of an epileptic seizure, getting, I got infected with something like poison oak.

677
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200
They got something like that in India and I had bumps all over.

678
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:15,160
And then my shirt was torn and my body was chilled and I was shaken and, and I bruised

679
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,200
and dirty and I was so happy.

680
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,200
He was cold.

681
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,920
And I told him the whole story, including the near death experience.

682
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,520
And then I get interrupted by this woman from Alaska that was visiting the ashram.

683
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,880
She goes, excuse me, excuse me.

684
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,200
And finally I go, what do you want?

685
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,880
She goes, don't you know what they say about those that go to Babaji's cave?

686
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,680
And I go, okay, I give up.

687
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,320
What did they say?

688
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,800
She says, those that go to Babaji's cave and have the most arduous journey have the greatest

689
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,800
blessing.

690
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,880
And the Swami smiles at me and I nod.

691
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,040
Okay.

692
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,920
So now, now let's go with the 20, remember the 29, 59 thing.

693
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,600
So now this happened in November of 2004.

694
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:11,360
Well, I go to the doctor when I get back, but I go to the doctor because on my forehead

695
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:17,520
in my spiritual eyes located, when I come back, I had a huge, something growing there

696
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,880
turned out to be a cancerous tumor.

697
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,160
Huge one that just grew in a couple of months.

698
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,640
Boom, I had this, I went to India looking, seeking for spiritual enlightenment and all

699
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,640
this good stuff.

700
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,760
And I come back and I got cancer in the spiritual eye.

701
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,760
It was so symbolic.

702
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,440
I was just like, wow, that's cool.

703
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,440
Let's clean it out.

704
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,440
Right?

705
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,200
So they cut it open, had surgery, they took it out.

706
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,000
I had a bunch of stitches in the forehead, but I never told anybody about my heart problem.

707
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,080
I mean, here I have a full blown heart attack and I don't say nothing.

708
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:54,600
So finally at the end of January, I have a couple of events.

709
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,480
I collapsed on my garage floor a couple of times.

710
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,400
I collapsed on my couch and finally I just go, you know, maybe, maybe I, you know, this

711
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,480
tough guy needs to go check on this.

712
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,760
So I told my wife, I said, you know, I'm not feeling too good.

713
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,720
I'm going to, I'm going to go to Kaiser hospital and just get checked out.

714
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,080
She said, are you okay?

715
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,400
I take, I go, nah, I'm okay.

716
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,000
I was having a full blown heart attack.

717
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,040
I didn't want to tell her, but I get my truck, you know, my five speed truck, I'm going to

718
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,040
the gears.

719
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,520
I'm going seven miles down the road.

720
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,520
I get to the hospital.

721
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:31,400
I don't know if you ever tried to find a parking place at an ER, there ain't no parking in

722
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,400
an ER.

723
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,420
You know, you drop somebody off, you go a hundred acres away to find a parking spot.

724
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:40,120
So I did, I come back, I go in the walk-in part of ER.

725
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,360
I didn't go in the part where the ambulance goes and they got a line of about 18 people.

726
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:51,300
I line up 20 minutes later, I'm at the front lady hands me a clipboard, says, fill this

727
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:53,640
out and then get in that line.

728
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:54,640
I fill it out.

729
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,640
I get another line.

730
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,960
It's got five, six, seven, eight people.

731
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,160
I finally get up there and the nurse goes, she reads the clipboard and she says, she

732
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,520
says, you rode here.

733
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,520
Did you think you were having a heart attack?

734
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,520
And she kind of chuckled.

735
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,520
She says, yeah, I'll be the judge of that.

736
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,520
She says, how'd you get here?

737
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,520
And so I drove myself.

738
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,520
And he says, did you park?

739
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Yeah, I parked, you know, I told her where and I walked.

740
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,520
And you stood that line.

741
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Yeah.

742
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,520
And you started asking, yeah, yeah, sure.

743
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Okay.

744
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,520
Well, I'll sit down.

745
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,520
And she gets her set.

746
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,520
This goes out.

747
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,520
She starts listening pretty soon.

748
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,520
She goes, my God, you're having a heart attack.

749
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,520
I go, that's what I said.

750
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,520
No, no, you're really having a heart attack.

751
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,520
I said, no, no, that's what I really came in for.

752
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,520
And then there's bells and there's blue lights going off.

753
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,520
Oh my gosh.

754
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,520
Remember Kmart, the blue light special?

755
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Anyway, the hospital's got a light that goes off.

756
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,520
And I'm like, oh my gosh.

757
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.

758
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.

759
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:43,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.

760
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:50,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.

761
00:41:50,520 --> 00:42:05,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.

762
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.

763
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:16,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.

764
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.

765
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:28,520
I'm like, oh my gosh.

766
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:38,520
I said, I said, I said, I said.

767
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,520
I don't smoke.

768
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,520
I don't smoke.

769
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,520
I don't drink.

770
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,520
I don't add sugar to anything.

771
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,520
I don't do caffeine.

772
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,520
I don't do nicotine.

773
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,520
You know what?

774
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,740
I remember the 2959, right?

775
00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:52,660
And he goes, you know, from looking at you

776
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:55,400
and your background and your health record,

777
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,700
he says, I would have thought that you'd been dead by 29,

778
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,360
let alone almost 59 next week.

779
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,180
And it stopped me dead in my tracks.

780
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:08,640
I'm going, what?

781
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,000
He says, yeah.

782
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,460
He says, your generics and your history,

783
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,140
you should have been dead at 29.

784
00:43:15,140 --> 00:43:17,060
I don't know why, but you survived.

785
00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:20,520
He says, had you not done all those things

786
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,920
or not done all those things, right?

787
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,240
Had you smoked and drank and did all these things,

788
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:26,740
you would have been dead at 29.

789
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,280
So then I'm thinking, okay, 59,

790
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,080
I'm gonna be 59 in another week or so.

791
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,760
So let's, okay, we'll do the surgery,

792
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,020
but I want a few days to think about this, right?

793
00:43:37,020 --> 00:43:40,060
So let's fast forward now.

794
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:43,900
Now we're gonna go to the third near death experience.

795
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,280
This one is complicated and it gets really strange.

796
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,360
And there's some people out there

797
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,740
that I hope they're really open-minded

798
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:53,480
because realize that the near death experiences

799
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,520
people have reflect their religion

800
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,440
and reflect their beliefs.

801
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,000
It reflects how they look at life, their philosophy,

802
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,160
everything, I think God really accommodates us very well.

803
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,640
Can you explain a little bit what you mean by that?

804
00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:12,120
How their NDE expresses their life and their history?

805
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,700
Yeah, if you're a Catholic

806
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:19,220
having a near death experience or a Protestant,

807
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:22,260
that's gonna be different than a Muslim or a Buddhist

808
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:24,300
or somebody that's an agnostic

809
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,140
or somebody that doesn't believe in God.

810
00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:29,320
So you might not see Jesus, you might not see angels,

811
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,180
you may see guides, you may see ascended masters,

812
00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:37,340
you may see just people from your life,

813
00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:39,980
whatever your background, your culture was.

814
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:42,580
I think the other side is very accommodating

815
00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:45,320
to make us feel comfortable on the other side.

816
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,500
Right, and I've heard this before,

817
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:51,200
different people having different kinds of experiences

818
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,660
and is based on their background.

819
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:55,340
And I've kind of wondered why.

820
00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:59,300
Is the other side, is the spirit world really that different?

821
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:01,320
Is it custom made for each of us?

822
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,880
But I like what you just said,

823
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,580
it is what we'll be comfortable with.

824
00:45:06,580 --> 00:45:09,420
Yeah, it's not frightening.

825
00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:12,700
If you believe in hell, you may have a hell experience.

826
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:14,580
You got the near death experience, they went to hell.

827
00:45:14,580 --> 00:45:15,740
I don't believe in it.

828
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:19,740
I'll tell you right now, I don't believe in it.

829
00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:20,580
There you go.

830
00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:22,300
So those people believe in it so much

831
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:23,620
and they're so fearful,

832
00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:25,340
their fear gave them that experience.

833
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:26,180
Yeah.

834
00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:28,340
So, cause I don't believe in hell.

835
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:31,500
But what you believe is really,

836
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:36,340
it sets your GPS of where you go and your experience.

837
00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:39,260
Yeah, I don't know if I'll truly understand that

838
00:45:39,260 --> 00:45:43,460
until sometime later, but I get the concept.

839
00:45:43,460 --> 00:45:45,840
Yeah, it's because whatever you believe,

840
00:45:47,420 --> 00:45:50,280
I really believe in accommodating God.

841
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,280
And I really believe at that stage to accept things,

842
00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:59,540
what may be happening may not be happening as you see,

843
00:45:59,540 --> 00:46:03,820
but your mind to accept things, see it in that way as well.

844
00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:04,660
Right.

845
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:08,340
If I grew up believing heaven looks like a watermelon,

846
00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:11,900
then when I die, there's gonna be a watermelon for me.

847
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:12,740
Yeah, yeah.

848
00:46:12,740 --> 00:46:14,900
So if seeing Jesus would comfort you,

849
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:17,140
then that's what you're going to get.

850
00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:17,980
I really believe that.

851
00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:19,580
Okay, I like that.

852
00:46:19,580 --> 00:46:22,620
So if you have good thoughts and strong beliefs

853
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:25,940
that's gonna comfort you to know that you're gonna get

854
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:26,780
what you expect.

855
00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:33,500
So this experience is maybe that, maybe not that,

856
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:35,780
maybe a double body experience,

857
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:38,100
maybe an out of body experience.

858
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:41,580
Let's throw out labels and just end judgment

859
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:42,740
and hear what happened.

860
00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:43,560
Here's what happened.

861
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,940
I'll make it brief, the introduction of it,

862
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:47,820
because I went to India and I had a,

863
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:52,100
what they call a knotty leaf, a palm leaf reading,

864
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,980
which they read your future

865
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:57,620
and tells you things are gonna happen

866
00:46:57,620 --> 00:46:59,820
based on something that was written 2,500

867
00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:01,620
or 5,000 years ago, believe it or not.

868
00:47:01,620 --> 00:47:03,260
And they find this through your thumbprint.

869
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:04,660
That's another little interview sometimes

870
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:06,420
you wanna do that, that's interesting.

871
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:09,680
But one of the predictions was at a certain age,

872
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,060
which I was getting close to be,

873
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:15,740
at a certain age, I was going to take a trip

874
00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:17,620
and I was gonna go to this temple,

875
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:20,420
Shiva temple in Southern India.

876
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:25,260
And when I get there, I was supposed to take a trail

877
00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:28,740
up the mountain, walk uphill two to four hours.

878
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:30,460
And when I get to the top of this mountain,

879
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:34,380
I'd have an encounter with these Rishis,

880
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:37,780
because all the Rishis, there's 18 or 19 of them or something,

881
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:40,740
all these great holy men would be waiting for me

882
00:47:40,740 --> 00:47:42,260
at the top of this mountain.

883
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:45,460
And they wouldn't be teaching me anything.

884
00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:48,620
They would have me remember what I already knew.

885
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:51,060
And so they have important information on me,

886
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:52,860
but it's information I already had.

887
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:55,620
And I thought it was a crazy, crazy reading.

888
00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:57,100
I go, this is crazy.

889
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:58,340
I don't believe this stuff.

890
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,960
Anyway, so that's in the back of the mind.

891
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,360
So think about maybe that's planted

892
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,380
in the back of my mind, I'm just saying.

893
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:08,320
So I have a heart attack in India.

894
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:11,540
I'm giving us some talks and stuff

895
00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:13,500
and I have a major heart attack.

896
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:16,460
I have to come home, I leave Mumbai,

897
00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:18,500
and I just was in the ER.

898
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:21,820
I get on an airplane, I fly, I get to Denver, Colorado,

899
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:24,740
and I collapse in the customs line.

900
00:48:24,740 --> 00:48:27,020
I have paramedics with me for six hours.

901
00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:28,900
Believe it or not, they let me back on the airplane,

902
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:31,940
fly to Sacramento, which,

903
00:48:31,940 --> 00:48:34,060
and then I get a blood clot, right, of course.

904
00:48:34,060 --> 00:48:35,660
I can't believe they let me back on the airplane

905
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:36,860
because I said, oh, you gotta let me back in.

906
00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:38,180
I'm going to my doctor's.

907
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:41,780
Anyway, so by the time I get to Kaiser

908
00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:43,540
to see my heart doctor, as soon as I walk in,

909
00:48:43,540 --> 00:48:48,100
he looks at me, gets a wheelchair, he sends me to ER.

910
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:51,100
They sent me to ICU for four days

911
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:55,300
just to get my level of energy up so I could have surgery.

912
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,140
I need a quadruple bypass surgery.

913
00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:02,060
So normally you have open heart surgery nowadays.

914
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:04,980
It's not as bad as it used to be.

915
00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:07,860
And usually four days,

916
00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:09,700
they kick you out of the hospital and you're home.

917
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,020
I mean, after you've just been, I mean, truly,

918
00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:13,980
boom, they get you back out again, right?

919
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:15,780
That's modern medicine.

920
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:19,580
So I'm there four days, I haven't even got surgery yet.

921
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:21,860
So I find an ambulance to another hospital

922
00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:23,140
to do the surgery.

923
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:24,780
I get there and the guy tells me in the morning,

924
00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:25,780
we're going to cut you open

925
00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:27,540
and explains what they're going to do.

926
00:49:27,540 --> 00:49:30,980
And he says, so I'm going to, he goes,

927
00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:32,260
great bedside manner.

928
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:34,500
I'm going to rip your chest open.

929
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:37,180
Exact words, I'm going to rip your chest open.

930
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:39,300
He says, I got these like, they're like pruning chairs,

931
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:40,820
like, you know, you prune a tree.

932
00:49:40,820 --> 00:49:42,700
And I'm going to cut those.

933
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:44,460
And I got chest spreader and I'm going to spread it.

934
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:45,660
He's giving me the whole details.

935
00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:47,460
Like I'm wanting to make sure.

936
00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:48,420
I just want to know generally,

937
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:49,260
I'm going to go open your heart.

938
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:50,140
Okay, great.

939
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:52,860
Yeah, Dr. Bedside manner there.

940
00:49:52,860 --> 00:49:56,660
More information is not necessarily always a good thing.

941
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:59,140
So then he says,

942
00:49:59,140 --> 00:50:01,380
I don't want to cut your arms and your legs.

943
00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:04,300
We're going to harvest arteries or veins

944
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:06,180
or whatever they take out of there, right?

945
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:08,860
And then we're going to use those

946
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:10,940
to circumvent the blocked arteries.

947
00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:14,100
Cause you got a hundred percent blockage, 90% block.

948
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:15,660
You got blockages everywhere.

949
00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:17,820
And I already had like,

950
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:20,540
I think I ended up having eight stents.

951
00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:23,060
So I mean, they couldn't do those stents anymore.

952
00:50:23,060 --> 00:50:23,900
Yeah.

953
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,180
Can I ask you a question at this point?

954
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:27,980
When you're hearing about this,

955
00:50:27,980 --> 00:50:30,500
you're probably also hearing that at some point,

956
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:33,820
they actually need to stop your heart to do this, right?

957
00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:36,460
And bypass everything temporarily.

958
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:38,660
Did you think to let the doctor know,

959
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:41,340
oh, by the way, when that happens to me,

960
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:43,300
certain special things happen,

961
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:45,740
or did you just keep all that to yourself?

962
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:48,140
No, actually when I, when you said,

963
00:50:48,140 --> 00:50:51,620
we're going to have to stop your heart and your lungs,

964
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:53,460
and we're going to hook you up to a heart lung machine

965
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:58,460
that will pump oxygenated blood in through the system.

966
00:50:59,340 --> 00:51:01,140
So you get oxygen in there, right?

967
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:02,060
And I said, wait a minute, Doc.

968
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:03,780
I said, you're going to stop my heart, my lungs,

969
00:51:03,780 --> 00:51:05,500
my lungs ain't working, my heart ain't working.

970
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:06,780
He goes, that's right.

971
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:08,260
Well, I said that I'm dead.

972
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:11,260
He says, well, technically, he kind of,

973
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:13,140
he says kind of technically,

974
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:16,220
he says what the machine is giving you life.

975
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:18,380
So I said, so if you have power outage, I'm dead.

976
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:21,540
He goes, well, hopefully we got a backup generator.

977
00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:23,100
Hopefully, I like his word.

978
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,220
I don't think you had a big smile on your face then,

979
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:26,580
cause you knew.

980
00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:28,100
Yeah, I go, okay.

981
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:30,100
So I said, okay, Doc, I'm technically dead.

982
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:31,940
He says, well, yeah, you can look at it, you're dead.

983
00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:32,940
We're going to kill you.

984
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:34,580
I'm going to kill you to save you.

985
00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:35,980
I said, okay.

986
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:37,580
So the next day I'm laying,

987
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:40,740
I'm laying on this operating metal table.

988
00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:42,780
I don't know if you've ever been on an operating table,

989
00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:44,620
but they're metal.

990
00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:46,980
I mean, it's like chrome metal.

991
00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:48,460
I was asleep at the time.

992
00:51:48,460 --> 00:51:51,980
I don't remember, but I imagine that's easier to clean up.

993
00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:56,100
So I'm buck naked and they're laying me on this table.

994
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:57,100
Then they put a sheet on it.

995
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:58,580
Everybody gets cold.

996
00:51:58,580 --> 00:51:59,860
I'm cold.

997
00:51:59,860 --> 00:52:02,780
And, and, and I'm wide awake.

998
00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:03,940
And then the last thing he says,

999
00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:05,780
he said, well, I'm going to give you this shot.

1000
00:52:05,780 --> 00:52:06,700
This should put you out.

1001
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:08,380
He says, I want you to count from a hundred down

1002
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:10,300
to whatever you get to.

1003
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:14,180
And he says, he says, he goes, sometimes he says,

1004
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:20,100
sometimes people feel stuff only works for about 95%

1005
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:24,340
of the people that they still could feel stuff.

1006
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:25,940
That's just as I'm getting ready to pass out.

1007
00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:27,740
He's telling me that 5% of the people

1008
00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:29,740
could still kind of feel stuff a little.

1009
00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:32,460
And I'm going, what?

1010
00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:35,620
I'm out then boom, boom, just like that.

1011
00:52:35,620 --> 00:52:40,300
Darkness transcends into light, bang.

1012
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:43,420
And now I find myself standing in India.

1013
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:44,260
I knew it was India.

1014
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:46,060
There's all these Indian people around me.

1015
00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:48,500
And my first thought is I'm standing in this,

1016
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:53,500
this patio like area, this, this courtyard with stones.

1017
00:52:54,540 --> 00:52:57,860
I've thought was, do I have clothes on?

1018
00:52:57,860 --> 00:52:59,740
Cause I was naked, but I left, right?

1019
00:52:59,740 --> 00:53:00,940
And I've done, I got clothes on.

1020
00:53:00,940 --> 00:53:03,540
So this was a modest spiritual journey.

1021
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:06,820
So, and then I noticed that people are bumping into me.

1022
00:53:06,820 --> 00:53:11,820
I feel them and I feel the heat and people are looking

1023
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:14,100
at me and they're walking around me or near me.

1024
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:15,220
They see me.

1025
00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:16,420
I see them.

1026
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:18,100
They see me.

1027
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:19,820
I feel them bumping to me.

1028
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:20,660
I feel the heat.

1029
00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:21,620
I feel the ground.

1030
00:53:22,620 --> 00:53:24,460
It's all real.

1031
00:53:24,460 --> 00:53:26,900
And I'm going, this can't be.

1032
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:28,660
Wasn't an astral body.

1033
00:53:28,660 --> 00:53:30,500
Wasn't out of body experience.

1034
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,460
It was a duplicate body experience.

1035
00:53:33,460 --> 00:53:35,540
It was like, okay, you got my body,

1036
00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:37,660
one body on the table getting cut up.

1037
00:53:37,660 --> 00:53:41,260
But here I am in India outside this temple.

1038
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:43,900
And I looked at that temple and I saw this Shiva,

1039
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:45,900
you know, this bowl out there.

1040
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,900
I go, this is Shiva temple.

1041
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:51,300
And even though I can't read Indian, I knew intuitively,

1042
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:53,140
this is the temple I was supposed to,

1043
00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:55,300
I was told to travel to.

1044
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:56,660
And I looked around and there was a trail,

1045
00:53:56,660 --> 00:53:58,020
went up this hill.

1046
00:53:58,020 --> 00:53:59,500
And I said, I'm supposed to go up that hill,

1047
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:00,980
two to four hours.

1048
00:54:00,980 --> 00:54:02,860
The Rishis are waiting for me.

1049
00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:06,100
I figured, well, I got nothing else to do.

1050
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:09,340
The operation is gonna take six to eight hours.

1051
00:54:09,340 --> 00:54:12,300
So I started walking and I'm walking up this hill

1052
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:14,660
and I'm feeling everything.

1053
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:17,900
Once in a while I feel like hands in my stomach

1054
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:20,060
and instruments and things like,

1055
00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:21,020
they're operating that body,

1056
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:23,140
but this body's feeling movement.

1057
00:54:23,140 --> 00:54:26,220
So I finally get up to this top

1058
00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:29,340
and there's a meadow there with some rocks and logs.

1059
00:54:29,340 --> 00:54:31,420
And there's these guys sitting there,

1060
00:54:31,420 --> 00:54:33,340
you know, with the weird hairdos,

1061
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:35,380
funny beards and everything.

1062
00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:39,660
And I knew that's the Rishis are waiting for me, right?

1063
00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:43,140
So I get up there and I sit on a rock

1064
00:54:43,140 --> 00:54:46,780
and a couple of guys are on rocks, some are on stumps.

1065
00:54:46,780 --> 00:54:50,780
And there's one extra guy that's there.

1066
00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:54,420
And it was the guru who was at the ashram I was at

1067
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:55,820
when I had this reading done.

1068
00:54:56,820 --> 00:54:58,980
And the guru's got his arms folded and he goes,

1069
00:54:58,980 --> 00:55:00,420
beeh!

1070
00:55:00,420 --> 00:55:01,700
You could give up a heart,

1071
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:03,860
or you could skip a few beats,

1072
00:55:03,860 --> 00:55:05,580
but you don't give up your heart.

1073
00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:06,900
And he kept saying that to me and I'm going,

1074
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:08,700
what's going on, right?

1075
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:11,220
Anyway, and so then I'm looking at these Rishis

1076
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:16,220
and it's like, I didn't have to ask them any questions,

1077
00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:20,460
like what's the meaning of life, what's this?

1078
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:23,980
I was sitting there knowing

1079
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:27,620
that everything I ever wanted to ask, I already know.

1080
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:33,860
It was like, wow, and I felt great peace

1081
00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:36,540
and I felt great love and I felt like,

1082
00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:38,460
I've been with these guys before, this is right,

1083
00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:40,260
this feels good.

1084
00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:43,500
And then this guru guy kept saying,

1085
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:47,540
you could skip a beat or two, but don't give up your heart.

1086
00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:49,780
Well, I think he was reading my mind

1087
00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:51,580
because I went into this surgery as painful

1088
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:53,980
as I was going through all this procedure

1089
00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:55,100
and it was painful.

1090
00:55:56,060 --> 00:55:57,660
There was a part of me that goes,

1091
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:02,220
been to India four times by this time

1092
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:05,740
and I've been to the cave and I got my books out

1093
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:07,420
and I got all this neat stuff going.

1094
00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:09,820
I felt like I've helped a lot of people.

1095
00:56:09,820 --> 00:56:12,740
I felt like I kind of did what I was supposed to do.

1096
00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:15,460
So I wasn't fighting the idea.

1097
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:17,660
So then all of a sudden, remember those clouds

1098
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:20,180
when I was a kid, they came back again.

1099
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:21,420
I got all these clouds, right?

1100
00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:26,180
And I go, wait a minute, am I gonna have a life review now?

1101
00:56:26,180 --> 00:56:29,180
No, am I gonna have a preview?

1102
00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:34,180
Kind of, because what I saw next was the faces

1103
00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:37,780
of people that I was told would come

1104
00:56:37,780 --> 00:56:40,260
in the next decade or so.

1105
00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:43,940
These people would come over time in the future decades.

1106
00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:47,820
And if I wasn't around, I couldn't help them.

1107
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:49,260
You know, it might've just been a smile.

1108
00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:51,020
It might've been preventing a suicide.

1109
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:52,500
It might've been cheering somebody up.

1110
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:53,940
It might've been teaching somebody something.

1111
00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:56,340
It might've been giving people love or a hug

1112
00:56:56,340 --> 00:56:58,900
or whatever it was, but all these people out there,

1113
00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:02,860
they would miss something in their life if I wasn't there.

1114
00:57:02,860 --> 00:57:04,220
And I was being shown that for a reason.

1115
00:57:04,220 --> 00:57:06,860
Then I heard this beautiful feminine voice,

1116
00:57:06,860 --> 00:57:11,860
beautiful voice go, Bill, you don't owe anybody anything.

1117
00:57:12,940 --> 00:57:14,060
You've done enough.

1118
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:17,500
You finished your task.

1119
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:22,500
I promise you peace, no pain, no suffering, just bliss.

1120
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:27,140
Come with me, just give up your heart.

1121
00:57:27,140 --> 00:57:28,740
Then this battle was going back and forth.

1122
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:31,740
The guru guy goes, yeah, I can skip a few beats.

1123
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:32,660
Don't give up heart.

1124
00:57:32,660 --> 00:57:34,100
They kept going back and forth.

1125
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,260
I finally asked the guru guy, go why?

1126
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:39,740
I go, she's promising me peace and love and joy

1127
00:57:39,740 --> 00:57:42,620
and no pain and what are you promising me?

1128
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:43,940
And he just points to the people.

1129
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:46,580
Then he goes, I'm promising you more pain

1130
00:57:46,580 --> 00:57:48,620
than you've ever had in your life

1131
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:50,860
and more suffering than you ever had.

1132
00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:52,180
And the past you've had pain

1133
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:54,660
and you've miraculously taken the pain away,

1134
00:57:54,660 --> 00:57:56,860
but now you're going to have to learn to deal with pain

1135
00:57:56,860 --> 00:57:58,020
like regular people.

1136
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,360
So when you conquer pain and your injuries, your illness,

1137
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,580
you can teach it to others.

1138
00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:08,220
I'm going, that's not such a great deal.

1139
00:58:11,140 --> 00:58:14,460
I'm training off bliss for pain, right?

1140
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:15,460
So the next thing you know,

1141
00:58:15,460 --> 00:58:17,820
as this thing goes on for a long period of time,

1142
00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:21,220
all of a sudden it was like, I'm getting electrocuted.

1143
00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:22,460
They're just starting my heart.

1144
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:24,140
I don't know if they actually use paddles

1145
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:25,660
when they jumpstart your heart

1146
00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:27,980
or if they slap it around or what they do,

1147
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:30,020
but it was like paddles.

1148
00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:32,180
My body's going like electrical charge.

1149
00:58:32,180 --> 00:58:35,100
It was like boom on this mountain top.

1150
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:35,940
And next thing you know,

1151
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:40,940
I find myself 100% into my body laying on this table,

1152
00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:46,020
except now the anesthesia is worn off

1153
00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:48,860
and my chest cavity is still open

1154
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:52,020
and they're still sewing things up

1155
00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:54,940
and getting ready to wire up the chest.

1156
00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:56,820
And I got a tube down my throat.

1157
00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:58,680
I got my eyes taped shut.

1158
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:59,580
I'm strapped down.

1159
00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:00,420
I can't talk.

1160
00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:02,180
I can't move, can't communicate.

1161
00:59:02,180 --> 00:59:03,740
And I'm in my mind going,

1162
00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:08,740
hey, I feel everything about some anesthesia.

1163
00:59:08,740 --> 00:59:11,620
So you're the 5% he was talking about.

1164
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:13,300
Yeah, so this thing's going on

1165
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:14,660
and I hear him saying,

1166
00:59:14,660 --> 00:59:15,940
I don't know if he's waking up or not.

1167
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:17,060
Well, let's hurry and finish it.

1168
00:59:17,060 --> 00:59:18,260
He won't feel, he'll be okay.

1169
00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:19,100
He'll be okay.

1170
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:21,860
And I'm going, no, no, I can't even shake my head, right?

1171
00:59:21,860 --> 00:59:23,580
No, no.

1172
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:26,060
So the promise of more pain and suffering

1173
00:59:26,060 --> 00:59:28,100
started the minute I came back into my body.

1174
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:30,700
It was there with a vengeance.

1175
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:35,420
And anyway, so I was in the hospital then

1176
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:38,780
for another 10 days and I was losing it.

1177
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:41,700
I had 15 blood transfusions or some big amount.

1178
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:44,820
I mean, anyway, they would always give me transfusions.

1179
00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:47,940
And finally I got a call late at night

1180
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:51,780
and it was from India and it was from that guru.

1181
00:59:51,780 --> 00:59:53,900
And I answered the phone and he goes,

1182
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:58,900
he says, you can skip a few beats, but don't give up hard.

1183
00:59:59,060 --> 01:00:00,020
That was his words, right?

1184
01:00:00,020 --> 01:00:02,060
I go, what'd you say?

1185
01:00:02,060 --> 01:00:05,140
That's what I was getting in this vision thing, right?

1186
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:07,740
So he said it twice, right?

1187
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:08,580
And I go, wow.

1188
01:00:08,580 --> 01:00:10,620
And then he goes, he says,

1189
01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:12,340
he said, I just asked about a hundred people here

1190
01:00:12,340 --> 01:00:15,220
to go up to the temple at the ashram to pray for you

1191
01:00:15,220 --> 01:00:16,740
because I was going to heal you.

1192
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:19,460
You don't want to embarrass me and make me a liar.

1193
01:00:19,460 --> 01:00:20,660
Well, I had a sense of humor.

1194
01:00:20,660 --> 01:00:21,860
That's awesome.

1195
01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:23,660
So then I don't know if you've got time for it,

1196
01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:26,980
but one last piece of this that fits right in with that.

1197
01:00:26,980 --> 01:00:27,980
Go right ahead.

1198
01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:31,220
It was in that reading that I had that naughty palm reading.

1199
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:33,420
They said, one day you're going to be sitting

1200
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:37,980
or standing or something and Babaji or Shiva

1201
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:40,260
or some great being will get to come

1202
01:00:40,260 --> 01:00:43,620
and is going to anoint you with oil and water and bless you.

1203
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:46,740
Like it's coming out of the sky or something, right?

1204
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:48,980
I thought, well, that's a stupid prediction.

1205
01:00:48,980 --> 01:00:52,020
Well, I'm laying in the hospital bed the day before I leave.

1206
01:00:54,020 --> 01:00:55,900
I'm looking up and it's like my body,

1207
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:59,820
like my bed had a crystal bowl covering it.

1208
01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:01,060
It was all energy.

1209
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:03,060
It was like there was nothing outside.

1210
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:03,900
I couldn't see it.

1211
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:05,420
That was like crystal energy.

1212
01:01:05,420 --> 01:01:06,500
And it was covering my bed.

1213
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:09,180
Like everything outside of it was outside the world,

1214
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:11,740
but I'm in this comfort zone inside.

1215
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:12,900
And I'm looking at the end of my bed

1216
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:16,140
and there's Babaji with no shirt on

1217
01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:18,620
with he's my American dream.

1218
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:22,020
So, okay, he has a pair of Levi's on his bare foot.

1219
01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:24,300
And he's standing at the foot of my bed,

1220
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:26,340
which is at least six, seven feet away.

1221
01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:30,460
And somehow he's pouring oil and water on my forehead

1222
01:01:30,460 --> 01:01:33,340
and his hand is touching my head and my spiritual eye.

1223
01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:35,940
And he's chanting and blessing me.

1224
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:38,260
And I'm feeling so much love and bliss.

1225
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:42,780
I'm thinking, wow, if this is a delusion, it's beautiful.

1226
01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:44,380
Let it continue.

1227
01:01:44,380 --> 01:01:45,700
I figured nobody's ever gonna believe me.

1228
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:47,660
I'm never gonna say nothing.

1229
01:01:47,660 --> 01:01:50,980
So I get home from the hospital a couple of days later,

1230
01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:53,860
my daughter, my daughter comes over.

1231
01:01:53,860 --> 01:01:55,700
She says, dad, our old neighbor Dave,

1232
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:56,700
he went by to visit you.

1233
01:01:56,700 --> 01:01:58,420
And I said, no, no, I never saw him.

1234
01:01:58,420 --> 01:01:59,420
He wasn't there.

1235
01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:00,980
She says, no, no, he came the day before

1236
01:02:00,980 --> 01:02:01,820
he left the hospital.

1237
01:02:01,820 --> 01:02:03,540
I said, no, he didn't come.

1238
01:02:03,540 --> 01:02:04,540
He said, yes.

1239
01:02:04,540 --> 01:02:07,660
He said he was there and he went into your room

1240
01:02:07,660 --> 01:02:09,060
and he got embarrassed because he looked

1241
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:11,140
and he had some crazy young Indian guy

1242
01:02:11,140 --> 01:02:14,220
with no shirt on barefoot and Levi's

1243
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:15,780
pouring weird stuff on your head

1244
01:02:15,780 --> 01:02:17,900
and chanting in some crazy language.

1245
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:20,300
And he laughed and he was embarrassed so he left.

1246
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:24,100
So there's somebody that didn't believe in any of this

1247
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:27,420
and he's telling my daughter exactly what I was having done

1248
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:29,700
and she didn't know about either.

1249
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:30,540
I told her.

1250
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:33,020
So that was the rest of that experience

1251
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:34,500
kind of all tied together.

1252
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:37,060
So was that a near death experience?

1253
01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:37,900
What was it?

1254
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:41,060
I don't know, but sometimes things define logic

1255
01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:43,380
and that whole episode defies logic.

1256
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:46,580
Yeah, that's amazing.

1257
01:02:46,580 --> 01:02:47,820
I have a question for you.

1258
01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:49,660
Hopefully this will make you think about it.

1259
01:02:49,660 --> 01:02:52,180
This will make you think for a minute.

1260
01:02:52,180 --> 01:02:55,220
If you could right now meet that eight-year-old boy

1261
01:02:55,220 --> 01:02:58,700
that was so sick, what would you say to him?

1262
01:03:01,580 --> 01:03:02,420
I love you.

1263
01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:08,100
Yeah, I think that that child needed love

1264
01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:11,100
and he didn't have it growing up.

1265
01:03:12,460 --> 01:03:13,980
He always missing that hug, right?

1266
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:15,900
And then being in the hospital by yourself,

1267
01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:18,180
having visitors, 10, 15 minutes a week

1268
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:19,700
is not a lot of visitors.

1269
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:21,620
I mean, and nobody came.

1270
01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:22,460
So I just needed a hug.

1271
01:03:22,460 --> 01:03:24,380
That little eight-year-old boy needed to know

1272
01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:26,540
and I did from the divine sense,

1273
01:03:26,540 --> 01:03:27,900
but there was a part of me just needed to know,

1274
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:28,740
you know what?

1275
01:03:29,860 --> 01:03:30,700
I love you.

1276
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:32,020
The older you, loves you.

1277
01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:33,140
You're all right.

1278
01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:34,540
You're gonna do okay.

1279
01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:37,020
Just stay the course.

1280
01:03:37,020 --> 01:03:38,260
That's great.

1281
01:03:38,260 --> 01:03:39,740
What about somebody who's never had

1282
01:03:39,740 --> 01:03:42,180
an experience like this before?

1283
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:43,140
What's the bottom line?

1284
01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:46,940
What can they learn from all that you've just taught us?

1285
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:48,820
Death words, they sting.

1286
01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:49,900
There is no death.

1287
01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:54,180
Separation between the body is a natural.

1288
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:57,980
Someday we all leave the body behind.

1289
01:03:59,260 --> 01:04:03,100
It's not who we are.

1290
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:04,620
And I know I've had some experiences

1291
01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:07,860
and some hourly body experiences,

1292
01:04:07,860 --> 01:04:09,460
it's rain and blood body experiences

1293
01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:10,700
and all kinds of stuff.

1294
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:12,820
And I always come back and say,

1295
01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:17,100
no, that body was never me, was never me.

1296
01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:20,060
You know, it may be the clothing I'm wearing

1297
01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:22,820
for this dream life that I have,

1298
01:04:22,820 --> 01:04:25,540
but it's never me, never will be me.

1299
01:04:27,140 --> 01:04:27,980
I'm separate.

1300
01:04:28,940 --> 01:04:31,380
My eye is my spirit.

1301
01:04:31,380 --> 01:04:33,900
It's hard for us to understand that in this life.

1302
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:35,540
Everything is so physical.

1303
01:04:35,540 --> 01:04:39,060
Everything is, there's pain, there's consequences.

1304
01:04:39,060 --> 01:04:43,100
There's people being mean out there.

1305
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:45,260
There's people being horrible out there.

1306
01:04:45,260 --> 01:04:47,460
Sorry, I'm not trying to be a big downer here,

1307
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:51,660
but it's hard to keep our head up to that kind of a thought.

1308
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:53,540
How do we do that?

1309
01:04:53,540 --> 01:04:57,460
If you focus on living,

1310
01:04:57,460 --> 01:04:58,940
this is gonna sound cliche,

1311
01:04:58,940 --> 01:05:00,220
because everybody says it,

1312
01:05:00,220 --> 01:05:01,580
but I don't think they mean it at the depth

1313
01:05:01,580 --> 01:05:03,940
that I'm really trying to tell people.

1314
01:05:03,940 --> 01:05:05,900
Truly be in the moment.

1315
01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:08,140
You can't own the future and in the past,

1316
01:05:08,140 --> 01:05:09,620
you can't regurgitate it.

1317
01:05:09,620 --> 01:05:11,100
It's gone, it's finished.

1318
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:12,740
The only thing you got is now.

1319
01:05:12,740 --> 01:05:16,020
Even by me saying that, that's already in the past.

1320
01:05:16,020 --> 01:05:17,740
So just focus where you're at

1321
01:05:19,020 --> 01:05:23,580
and realize that everything you fear in the future,

1322
01:05:23,580 --> 01:05:25,260
90% of it ain't gonna happen.

1323
01:05:26,620 --> 01:05:27,980
And everything that you're moaning and groaning

1324
01:05:27,980 --> 01:05:30,500
and complaining about that was painful in the past,

1325
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:31,980
it's gone.

1326
01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:33,620
And as soon as you stop remembering it,

1327
01:05:33,620 --> 01:05:34,700
so is the pain of it.

1328
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:38,020
So just focus, like you got surgery tomorrow,

1329
01:05:38,020 --> 01:05:40,380
I got pain, I got pulled my teeth out.

1330
01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:42,180
Focus now, right now you don't have anybody

1331
01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:44,380
pulling your tooth out, enjoy yourself.

1332
01:05:44,380 --> 01:05:47,340
Only focus on when you need to focus on your pain.

1333
01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:49,060
Pain's here to teach us a lot.

1334
01:05:50,140 --> 01:05:51,860
Pain is a lifeguard.

1335
01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:53,540
It keeps us out of trouble.

1336
01:05:53,540 --> 01:05:54,860
When you do something physical,

1337
01:05:54,860 --> 01:05:56,940
then you get pain, you know you should do it.

1338
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:58,660
Mentally, when you get mental pain,

1339
01:05:58,660 --> 01:05:59,500
because you're doing things,

1340
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:00,780
you're cheating on your wife,

1341
01:06:00,780 --> 01:06:03,260
you're doing this, you're doing crimes,

1342
01:06:03,260 --> 01:06:05,140
you're doing crimes, you're thinking wrong,

1343
01:06:05,140 --> 01:06:07,660
you get mental pain, you get spiritual pain.

1344
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:11,340
Pain is your lifeguard.

1345
01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:13,380
Listen to the pain, embrace the pain.

1346
01:06:14,260 --> 01:06:17,620
And when you're having physical things with your body,

1347
01:06:17,620 --> 01:06:20,420
look at it as a gift, not as a punishment.

1348
01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:23,620
I've just went through, they can't see

1349
01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:26,860
because this is all audio, but you're looking at my face,

1350
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:28,740
I've had over 300 stitches in the face

1351
01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:32,700
in the last 25 months or so.

1352
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:36,260
And nose cut off a couple of times, nostril cut off,

1353
01:06:36,260 --> 01:06:39,780
eyelid cut up, forehead taken off, you know that.

1354
01:06:40,980 --> 01:06:43,180
And you look at me and I'm going,

1355
01:06:43,180 --> 01:06:48,180
hey, it's healed, it comes back, it's just pain.

1356
01:06:48,380 --> 01:06:50,340
If you come back with positive attitude

1357
01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:52,100
and a smile on your face,

1358
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:55,380
even scars seem to disappear, people don't notice.

1359
01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:57,020
I don't see them.

1360
01:06:57,020 --> 01:07:01,060
Literally, I would have had no idea that that had happened.

1361
01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:03,500
I think for an old geezer, you look really good.

1362
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:06,100
You're welcome.

1363
01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:10,820
But it's like, I'm out now doing what I was supposed to do.

1364
01:07:10,820 --> 01:07:15,500
I'm giving workshops around the world.

1365
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:18,620
Hopefully I'm doing these in India and the UK,

1366
01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:21,500
but I'm doing these now I'm scheduled for

1367
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:24,260
Encinitas, California, Elk Grove, California,

1368
01:07:24,260 --> 01:07:26,180
Salt Lake City in February,

1369
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:29,660
Rochester, New York in April,

1370
01:07:29,660 --> 01:07:34,060
Raleigh, North Carolina in April as well.

1371
01:07:34,060 --> 01:07:37,340
I'll be going to Florida in the summer, Texas.

1372
01:07:37,340 --> 01:07:41,940
And I'm going out and I'm teaching the art of self-healing,

1373
01:07:43,060 --> 01:07:45,660
having people have to deal with pain

1374
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:47,540
at spiritual, mental and physical levels

1375
01:07:47,540 --> 01:07:50,740
and actually how to heal their body, mind, spirit.

1376
01:07:50,740 --> 01:07:53,340
They are the healer, all heal.

1377
01:07:53,340 --> 01:07:55,900
That's why placebos work.

1378
01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:57,820
You give a guy a sugar pill and they go,

1379
01:07:57,820 --> 01:08:00,300
well, placebo cured him.

1380
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:02,060
Well, that is something that worked

1381
01:08:02,060 --> 01:08:03,940
because he believed in it and he believed in himself.

1382
01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:06,460
Then he had, if you believe in Western medicine,

1383
01:08:06,460 --> 01:08:09,580
if you believe in your doctor, that's 90% of the battle.

1384
01:08:09,580 --> 01:08:11,060
But I, through my workshop,

1385
01:08:11,060 --> 01:08:13,660
are teaching people to love themselves,

1386
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:15,380
to believe in themselves,

1387
01:08:15,380 --> 01:08:18,140
stop looking for a lifeguard outside yourself.

1388
01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:22,900
The guru, the teachers within, the healers within,

1389
01:08:22,900 --> 01:08:27,780
learn to tap into that, be in charge of your own life.

1390
01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:32,380
But you can moderate and control and eliminate your pain

1391
01:08:32,380 --> 01:08:34,820
at spiritual, physical and mental levels.

1392
01:08:34,820 --> 01:08:36,300
And that's what I'm teaching.

1393
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:39,740
And you mentioned UK, we have a lot of listeners in the UK.

1394
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:42,380
So we'll have something in the show notes

1395
01:08:42,380 --> 01:08:44,100
so they can find you.

1396
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:47,500
Okay, Reverend Bill, thank you so much for your time today.

1397
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:48,340
Well, thank you.

1398
01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:50,900
And if they want to know more, I got several books out,

1399
01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:55,900
but, Warrior, A Spiritual Odyssey is my autobiography.

1400
01:08:55,900 --> 01:09:00,220
That is on Amazon as is the follow-up book

1401
01:09:00,220 --> 01:09:01,860
to that kind of like a supplement,

1402
01:09:01,860 --> 01:09:05,180
what happened after that book, Alchemy of a Warrior's Heart,

1403
01:09:05,180 --> 01:09:06,700
which takes trips to India

1404
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:09,860
and my third near-death experience and second one.

1405
01:09:09,860 --> 01:09:12,860
So I thank you for allowing me to be on your show.

1406
01:09:12,860 --> 01:09:15,540
And I hope this talk inspires somebody.

1407
01:09:15,540 --> 01:09:16,380
That's all I ask for.

1408
01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:18,620
You don't have to believe anything I say.

1409
01:09:18,620 --> 01:09:21,340
In fact, being a skeptic is healthy.

1410
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:23,540
But look in your own heart.

1411
01:09:23,540 --> 01:09:24,820
Reverend Bill is just telling you that

1412
01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:27,380
the only thing in life that is real is love.

1413
01:09:28,980 --> 01:09:31,340
He's skeptical at everything else.

1414
01:09:31,340 --> 01:09:32,860
Amen, good ending.

1415
01:09:32,860 --> 01:09:33,780
Thank you again.

1416
01:09:37,020 --> 01:09:39,260
If you have had a round trip death experience,

1417
01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:40,860
we would love to hear about it.

1418
01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:44,660
Send an email to eric at roundtripdeath.com.

1419
01:09:44,660 --> 01:09:47,660
And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting,

1420
01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:50,620
if it's given you just a little more hope in the future,

1421
01:09:50,620 --> 01:09:53,300
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1422
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:56,380
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1423
01:09:56,380 --> 01:09:58,980
Until next time, I wish you everything good

1424
01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:02,180
that you're looking for in this life and the next.

1425
01:10:02,180 --> 01:10:23,780
I'll see you next time.