#225 - Dustin Sees Jesus, Deer, Rabbits & More.

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One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die?

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Is death the end or a new beginning?

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Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast.

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In this show, we listen to firsthand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and

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return to talk about it.

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I am so pleased we have with us today, Dustin Warnke.

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I hope I said that correctly.

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Yes, you did.

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Awesome.

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Happy to be here.

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Dustin's in Texas.

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What part of Texas are you in?

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I'm in Leander, Texas, which is just northwest of Austin.

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Well, I hope it's as beautiful there as it is up here in Utah today.

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Yes, it is beautiful.

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It's nice and sunny outside.

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The birds are singing.

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Everything's awesome.

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I know you are really an outdoorsman.

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We had a great talk the other day.

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Yes.

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How did you get into it?

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Is it just a family thing?

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It is kind of a family thing.

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Basically it is something that I have been involved in for a long time trying to not

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only learn what I've learned about the outdoors, but also teaching it to other people and basically

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helping other people become good at the outdoors and good at what they're trying to do, hunting,

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fishing, camping, lifestyle, the whole nine yards.

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I had a podcast for many years.

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You can still find it on the internet called the Best of the Outdoors podcast.

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It was when I was with Texas Fishing Game Magazine, who is one of the largest magazines

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in the state of Texas.

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I was the associate publisher there for a short time and basically had a great opportunity

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to share my knowledge, what I learned.

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I've been fishing all my life, but I didn't get into hunting until in my early 20s after

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I graduated college.

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I'm a fan of the History Channel show called Alone.

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Can we see you on that?

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No, you cannot see me on that.

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I've heard of that show.

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I haven't watched it myself.

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There are a lot of things that History Channel has done, such as Top Shot, which is all about

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the history of firearms and those kinds of things.

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There's one of my friends that I have for Dustin Ellerman, another Dustin, that was

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winner of season three of that.

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That came out back in 2012.

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You can probably see the rerun somewhere of it or the past show.

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He calls himself Top Shot Dustin on Instagram.

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Check him out.

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He does a lot of firearm stuff.

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The History Channel, I bring that up because the History Channel has done a great job with

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showcasing the outdoors and so has other different, Nat Geo and so on and so forth with the different

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reality shows and true life stories that they tell on that.

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Alaska, The Last Frontier was one of my favorites that I watched there for a while when I still

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had cable.

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Well, I bring that up because that figures into the experience that you had a little

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bit.

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Before we get into it, our podcast here is primarily about near death experiences.

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To be specific, people that have actually died flatlined, seen something on the other

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side, had an experience and then came back to tell about it.

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There are a lot of other experiences that are very similar.

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These called STEs, spiritually transformative experiences, co-death experiences and others.

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Rather than label everything today, let's just throw labels out the window and let's

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talk about the amazing experience that you had.

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Would you go ahead and take us back a few years and tell us what happened?

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Sure, absolutely.

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Basically, when I was 15 years old, I had what they considered not their labels at this,

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but an STE or spiritually transformative experience, which goes into the NDE community as far as

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an experience with the other side, with the divine.

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What it basically was, was I was doubting my faith.

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I had just recently become a confirmed Christian in the Christian faith and the Lutheran faith

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at my Lutheran church.

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I had a lot of questions.

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I was going through a lot of, I found out later, were just not true thoughts that I

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was having about my faith and about my salvation, all these things that I had with Jesus.

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I finally prayed one night, God, if you have a sign for me, send it to me.

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I just had my doubts that I'm really truly, I hate to use the word saved, but basically

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one of your children.

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That night I had a visitation and it happened in kind of a dream state, but it happened

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basically while I was asleep, but it wasn't a dream at all.

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It was as vivid today as I remember it back then.

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It was a vision of Jesus Christ himself surrounded by wildlife.

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We're talking about flora and fauna.

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We're talking about beautiful flowers and plants.

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I don't even remember all the colors and everything.

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I just remember focusing on Jesus and he was glowing, kind of radiating white light in

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a white robe.

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He was very telepathic with me.

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He did not speak directly to me, but he spoke.

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I saw around him deer and rabbits and all kinds of different small game creatures, as

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well as creatures like we would see here, but the particular deer that I saw had spots

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on it.

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I'm guessing it was either a fawn or what we have here in Texas we know as axis deer.

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An axis deer and Indian deer that's very popular here that grow up and have spots on them.

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You can look up axis deer online and see what I'm talking about.

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I remember seeing that deer and that kind of related to me later in life of doing what

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I do in the outdoors and those kinds of things.

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The words that Jesus spoke to me, this is the meat and potatoes here, were kind of around

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about a way of saying that he was with me.

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The words were, I am neither ahead of you nor behind you.

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I am neither ahead of you nor behind you were his words.

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I woke up with this feeling of peace that goes beyond all human understanding.

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The peace that I had never felt before.

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It was a piece of the divine.

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It was a piece like I had never understood.

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The peace was that everything was going to be okay and I was one of his children.

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Then I was a little confused by the words and then I thought about it a little bit more.

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No, he's saying that he is with me.

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He's saying I'm neither ahead of you or behind you.

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I'm beside you.

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It was just a beautiful, beautiful experience for me and forever changed my faith walk with

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the divine, with my relationship with Jesus Christ and with my relationship with God the

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Father, the greater of the heaven and the earth.

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Okay, tell me more detail.

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You talked about flowers.

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I interviewed someone recently and they told me about the smell that was so wonderful.

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Did you have any of those senses or was this too fast?

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That's a good question.

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That's a really good question.

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This was a fast experience where I just had the vision.

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I didn't get any of the smells really that I remember at least, but I did get this vision

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of, it was a void around Jesus, but it was the radiance of all things living.

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Other people have come back from near-death experiences or spiritually transformative

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experiences and said that they felt like everything was praising God.

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Every animal, every flower, everything was praising the creator, was praising Jesus,

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was in worship of that.

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I felt like that's what was going on with the things that I did see during my short

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experience.

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I didn't have any smell so to speak to answer your question, but I did have the radiance

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and the colors were just amazing.

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The colors were unlike anything that we have here.

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They were just the most vibrant things that I've ever seen and the most incredible clearness

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of Jesus.

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I can still see his face and still see what he looked like in the white robe.

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That's what a lot of people say that they see Jesus in a white robe.

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The white robe to me represents the purity of heaven and all that is love.

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Can you describe his face?

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It was a common Jewish face.

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I mean, it wasn't anything, it was definitely Jesus.

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You just knew it was him, but I can't say that I can describe the features because he

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was so radiating of white light and so radiating of love and just this positive energy.

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That's a very good question.

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I don't have any exact descriptions of his face.

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It was kind of brown to blackish.

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I guess you would say shoulder length hair.

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Some people have described him in other NDEs with short hair, short brown hair and everything

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like that.

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Some of the pictures that are out there of Jesus, not some of the old ones, but some

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of the new artists renderings of people that believe they've seen Jesus, I believe that

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was what he looked like, the best that I can recall.

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But his face was radiating of light and love and peace and joy.

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And it was hard to make out details in that respect.

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Yeah.

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That's interesting that you mentioned the colors that are really hard to describe.

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In a recent episode we had on Russell Ricks, who's an artist, full-time professional artist,

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and he said that he tried and tried and could not paint what he saw because there weren't

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the colors in his palette.

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Yeah, that's a good example.

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I can agree.

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I can resonate with that.

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It's hard to paint something that's of the other side.

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I mean, it's so different from what's here in the respect of what we experience here

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in life.

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It's otherworldly.

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Yeah.

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So tell me, it seems like, well, everybody has a different experience in their NDESTE,

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whatever we want to call it today.

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Everybody's experience is a little bit different.

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There are definitely some commonalities.

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Do you think that your experience was formed to you as a 15-year-old boy who grew up in

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the outdoors?

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I do.

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I really do.

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I enjoyed nature back then, but I wasn't really in nature.

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I had a dad that taught me how to, and I still have a dad that he's still alive, that taught

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me how to fish and go out on lake trips and all those kind of things.

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Didn't really get into the wildlife part of things, off the water and into the woods,

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until I, like I said, was a little bit later in life and a college graduate and everything,

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and really had an interest in being part of the ecosystem.

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When I say that, I know some of your listeners, because other podcasts I've done where there's

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NDEE experiencers and NDEE listeners and people that are interested in NDEE come down on me

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as a hunter.

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When I did Lee Whitting's show, NDEE Radio with Lee Whitting, I had people that were

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saying, oh, this guy wrote books and does this and that and the other, but he kills

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animals.

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I'm like, I don't really look at it like that.

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I look at it as being part of the ecosystem and being part of nature and being a predator

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in the respect that these animals are there for us to eat.

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The reason why I say that is all the animals that I saw in my experience were prey animals,

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rabbits and I saw birds and all kinds of different things.

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If you notice the way that God created those things, they have their eyes on the peripheral

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sides of their head, on either side of their head like peripheral vision.

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Predators have their eyes, like we are humans, we are predators, we have our eyes here in

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the front of our head for distance so we can see things better, so we can see longer.

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Prey animals have their eyes so they can see peripheral vision so they can see animals

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coming to them to eat them.

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Something I saw in my experience was a prey animal and that showed again peace, love,

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joy, everything like that in the experience now that I reconsider it.

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The reason I got into hunting was because I wanted to source my own food and I wanted

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to do it organically and I wanted to eat healthy and so on and so forth.

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Most everything that we eat now is wild meat, but I'm very, very, very considerate of the

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animals that I do harvest and I do not take harvesting these animals lightly or for fun

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or trophy sport, so I want to make sure that's very clear before anybody comes out of me

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for that.

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It did shape my experience and I think it was shaped towards what my future would become

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to answer your question.

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Well, and this is a non-judgmental place where you are right now and we're not here to argue

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whether hunting is good or bad or right or wrong or anything else.

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We'll let somebody else deal with that.

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But I think it's safe to say that you love animals and wildlife.

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I do and I have a respect for the way that they are designed and their purpose here in

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life and that I think folded into my experience because I've not heard a near-death experience

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or a spiritually transformative experience yet with the animals in there.

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So I get the question a lot of times when I tell my story, does that mean that animals

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somehow are reincarnated or somehow come back like my past pet?

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Will I see my past pet again?

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I believe you will.

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I believe those animals are waiting for us across the rainbow bridge like the poem says.

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I really do believe that animals and stuff like that that we've had in the past are waiting

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for us in heaven just based on my experience seeing the animals that I did.

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And I've talked to a lot of people about their NDEs now and prior to that read lots of accounts

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and I can think of a few that yes saw their former pets that had passed on and others

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that did see wildlife.

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And I'm thinking one specifically of a gentleman who saw, I forget if it was a lion or tiger,

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I believe it was a lion that actually peacefully came up next to him and he was able to pet

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it.

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Oh wow.

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And so that again represents peace.

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It represents love.

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It represents the thing.

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That's what I've also learned about the other side is take out all the different things

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that you've learned about in the Bible or learned about about war and anger and all

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these other things that are not in heaven.

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God is not sitting there on the throne nailing us down about all the different things.

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God's a forgiving, loving God.

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late for me that I had done something and I didn't do anything too bad.

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It was all in my mind, but I had thought that I wasn't worthy of Christ's salvation of

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God's love.

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And I was quickly told by that and I've had experiences since then not the same magnitude

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that this one was where I wake up with that same peace that I felt when I was 15 and I

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recognize that because it's a piece not of this world.

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It's a piece that goes beyond all human understanding.

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And I'd also like to talk about in 2021, I have a heart defibrillator right underneath

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my left arm that was implanted back in February of 2021.

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It's just something they have in place for me for for taking care of my my heart in case

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I do have a heart failure incident of a heart attack or defibrillation.

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they had installed it or implanted it rather.

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They put me in an arrhythmia that caused me to die, I believe, for a very, very, very

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short time.

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Jesus's face on a bronze plate.

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And this this plays into my previous story that I just told about seeing Jesus when I

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was 15.

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I woke up after they had to shock my heart three times with the paddles to get the my

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heart working again.

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They almost weren't able to resuscitate me.

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that feeling that I recognized as Jesus's visitation.

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And in my mind, I had a vision of Jesus's face on a bronze plate, like it was it was

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like a coin almost or somehow stamped into this bronze plate.

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It felt like it was that I had been staring into a light.

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It was just it was just a light that felt like I had just been staring at something.

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And that was a vision that was still in my head.

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And when I did Lee's show, I literally our associate producer of that show came back

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to me and basically sent me a picture of Jesus's face on a bronze on a bronze plate.

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And I was like, yes, that's that's almost exactly what I saw.

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And I don't know why I saw that, but I felt like it was another visitation from Christ

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through a veiled end to eat that I don't necessarily remember details of.

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But I do remember waking up with that vision and that feeling that Jesus's love goes beyond

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all understanding and that his love was with me and that the bronze plate represented to

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me firmness and the fact that he wasn't going anywhere.

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OK, let's talk about some of these terms.

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What's a veiled end to eat?

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OK, very good.

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Veiled end to eat is an experience with heaven that has been veiled because we were not supposed

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to come back to remember the details of it.

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So this is a culture of indie community that basically has that saying of veiled end to

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eat that we have had an experience, but we don't remember it.

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That's basically the definition of it.

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And that sounds a little weird that we can remember something we don't remember.

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But let me let me put it like this, as I've had a couple of people explain it to me.

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One person told me they they know that during their NDE, they saw what was going to happen

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for the rest of their life on Earth, but then they couldn't remember what they saw when

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they came back.

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So they remember they saw it, but not what they saw.

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Is that kind of what you're talking about?

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How many experiences have we heard about in your show and other shows that have been out

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there and other videos and accounts and everything like that where people have come back and

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said, I learned all the knowledge of the universe, but I can't remember any of it.

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You know, so I mean, it's the same idea, I think, that basically that basically, you

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know, considered to consider the fact that we're not supposed to know everything down

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here and we're not supposed to have all the answers down here.

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And I don't think we ever will.

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I think NDE's open up a world of light and a world of understanding to different things

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about life that we don't necessarily, you know, you know, know otherwise without NDE

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experiences.

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And that's what I value about NDE experiences.

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But I'm going to give you two examples of NDE's that that that definitely have helped

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shape my experience and understanding NDE's.

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Is that OK?

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Yes, please go ahead.

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Just just short examples.

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One was was a YouTube video and I believe it was on the 700 Club or one of these.

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It's a very well known YouTube video.

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And I don't remember the lady's name, but she said when she went to the other side,

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she saw the future of what she would be like.

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Life would be like she was trying to take her own life and and commit suicide with an

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overdose of medication.

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And I talk about this a lot in the speeches that I give.

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But she basically saw her life and saw the future without her life in her life and without

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her life in her kids life.

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And you know, saw how hard that would be on them if she did go through with killing herself.

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So she comes back and and and sees that.

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And you know, Jesus asked her in her experience, do you want this?

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And she says no.

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And he said life was not designed to be easy.

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This was not supposed to be a cakewalk.

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This was not supposed to be simple.

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And that tells me if that's true and if her experience is true, and I believe that it

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is that that makes me want to take life by the horns.

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That makes me want to just be as powerful and empowered in this world that I want that

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I need to be to be strong for other people and be strong for myself because I realize

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that life was not by design to be easy.

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One experience, Yolaine Stout, atheist, tried to kill herself with some psychic practice

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or whatever.

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And basically, she comes back with an experience of Jesus telling her, don't waste your life

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thinking you're not loved.

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Don't waste your life thinking you're not loved.

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And that is a profound experience to me because so many people go through life thinking that

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they are not loved.

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And one of the speeches that I give called the new normal to a group of soldiers twice

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a year at Crosswater Outfitters, which is my fishing ministry that I work with, not

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mine, but a fishing ministry I belong to.

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And here in central Texas, I give that talk and I talk about those two experiences because

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basically they help me recognize the truth and the ultimate universal truth of life.

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And the fact that life is not supposed to be easy and we are loved, those two things

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being the most important thing.

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And the reason from another near death experience, I learned that we are here in life experiencing

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all these things is to acquire knowledge and to learn to love and care about each other.

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So there's some profound wisdom I've learned from NDE's for you.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Now, I have my own thoughts on this and think I have some pretty good answers on it.

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But let me ask you, why do you think life is not meant to be easy?

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Because by the challenges and the struggles that we have, we are meant to grow.

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And our growth process is part of the human experience.

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That's the reason why we don't remember the painful thoughts as much as we do the positive

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thoughts in the past.

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How many times have we gone through life and we said that was a worst experience that could

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have happened to me?

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And then we come out of it years later and go back and say, that's the best thing that

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could have happened to me.

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How many times has that happened?

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Absolutely.

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I mean, it's happened in our lives a lot of times.

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And so I make that point not to say that, you know, I say that to take the bull by the

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horns, so to speak, don't run away from your problems, get in front of them.

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And I write about that on my books is just pull yourself up by your bootstraps, fight

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hard and just keep on going for the power of God, for the power of Christ, whatever

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your belief system is, for the power of your life spirit, you know, finishing what it is

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started in you.

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And I believe we all have a purpose.

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I believe we all have a destiny and a destination and a time on earth that is numbered.

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And to make the best of what we have.

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And as I say in my books, the cards that you're dealt is to make the best success of your

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life.

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Can I interject this too?

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Of course.

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I hear people asking from time to time, you know, why are we even here?

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Why are we here on this earth?

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And I think what you're touching on is one of the reasons why life is not meant to be

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easy.

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I like to stay in those hard trials that just suck.

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I like to just take a step back sometimes and say, what am I supposed to learn here?

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And especially if that's why the trial is on me, if I can learn that thing quickly,

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maybe the trial will get over with a little bit sooner.

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But I think that's a big one of the reasons why we're here in the first place is there's

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things that we are learning here that we just can't couldn't learn anywhere else.

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A lot of people will say that we are all expressions of God.

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Neil Donald Walsh, who I've listened to his conversations with God's books and a lot of

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his videos and that kind of stuff.

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A lot of people don't like his theology, whatever, but he believes that he's experienced God,

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talking to him directly.

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And what he says is that we are all expressions of the divine, which most people, Christian

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or otherwise, can probably agree with.

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We're the hands and fingerprints of God and we're expressions of God's love because we're

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created by love and we're created for love and to love.

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So we can establish that.

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Bottom line is that we are always needing to ask ourselves, even in the good times,

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what am I learning here?

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What is the lesson that life is trying to teach me right now?

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And I think a lot of people miss that and just go, oh, woe is me, this is awful and

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so on and so forth and just kind of go through life.

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And all they're doing is just attracting more heartache and pain in their life by not putting

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forth a positive attitude and a positive outlook because I think that's what God calls us to

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do.

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And I'm not going to get religious or spiritual here or spiritual, yes, but not religious,

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but Thessalonians chapter five talks about rejoicing, always giving thanks in all circumstances

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because this is your will through Christ Jesus.

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This is God's will through Christ Jesus.

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And it's one of my favorite verses of the Bible, I believe it's Thessalonians 513, that

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basically talks about rejoice in all circumstances.

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Paul, who wrote that, was at an awful circumstances trying to spread the Christian church world

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and trying to start early Christian churches.

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And he was writing a lot of his letters from prison, but rejoicing in all circumstances

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and giving thanks in all circumstances, regardless of what the circumstances are.

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I think that's a secret sauce.

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Very, very well said.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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What are some of the other terms that we use to describe some of these experiences?

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We've talked already about NDEs, STEs, and veiled NDEs.

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Do you know what some of the others are?

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So shared death experiences, which are basically where someone has gone over to the other side

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and there's been a connection there.

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I'm trying to remember all of them, but out of body experiences, OBEs, where my aunt actually

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had one when she was having a heart procedure done and she actually didn't have a divine

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experience, but she was out of body.

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And she actually saw in an OBE, heard the doctors talking about her care while she was

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on the operating table and she could see herself from the corner of the room, like from the

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ceiling.

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And so an out of body experience is one that a lot of people talk about.

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Steve Gardipie, who I hope to help you get on the show soon, had an out of body experience

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and an NDE where he basically could go into the cells of a plant and see the molecular

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workings of the plant of this bush next to him where he can actually see the molecules

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going up and creating photosynthesis and those kind of chemical reactions, which he saw in

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1970 when a lot of that wasn't even, there was no YouTube back then that would show you

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what photosynthesis did.

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So it's just those kinds of things that out of body experiences are one that that's a

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big one and very relational to NDE.

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Sometimes with NDE, sometimes just OBEs by themselves.

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So there's another term for you.

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For those that are new to hearing about NDE near death experiences, there's some other

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terms for you to swallow.

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These shared death experiences, we haven't had anybody on the show yet to talk about

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those, but at the recent INS conference, we learned some things about those, especially

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from hospice workers, and I found it fascinating and actually relatively common that these

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kinds of things can happen.

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So what other message do you have for our listeners that you've learned through all

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of this?

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I would just like to say that don't give up if you're going through a hard time.

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Life is worth living well and worth living towards your purpose.

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And the thing that I try to teach about in the two books that I wrote, Empowering Resilience,

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which I just released, and Intentional Optimized Life are basically about living with meaning,

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hope, and significance.

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And one of the things that I watched on YouTube the other day, I try to watch a lot of inspirational,

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feed my mind a lot of inspirational motivational things so I can live a more positive and meaningful

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life, was about finding the fulfillment in life.

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And the story was about a gentleman that came in and was an architect of a very old Roman

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temple.

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And so basically the architect comes in and he sees three guys that are hammering on rocks.

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He asks the first guy, okay, what are you doing?

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I'm basically breaking rocks.

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That's what I'm doing.

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It's hard work and it's thankless and I'm not enjoying it and so on and so forth.

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Second guy goes to, I'm building part of a wall.

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I'm building part of a wall and that's what I'm doing to break these rocks.

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I've got my purpose.

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I'm breaking the rocks to make the wall.

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Third guy goes to, I'm building part of the wall that will be part of a cathedral that

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people will come to for many, many decades to come.

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And I will have been a small part of the purpose of this rock.

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Which one do you think was the most successful in life?

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And which one enjoyed his job the most?

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Exactly.

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And he said, I could do other things.

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I could, you know, he told the architect, I do other things.

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I could, you know, but I'm being part of a purpose greater than myself was basically

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what he was saying.

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I have a purpose greater than myself.

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And Harvard has done studies of people that they've, you know, hired to dig holes and

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then the people that had no holes to dig finally gave up and quit.

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And the people that knew they were digging a hole for a reason and a purpose, you know,

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succeeded and went on to do great things.

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And so, you know, it's not just about digging holes or breaking rocks.

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My point is to be part of something that is bigger than yourself, part of something that

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is greater than you.

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And for me, that's my fishing ministry, Crosswater Outfitters, fishing ministry here in central

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Texas.

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We minister to soldiers, we minister to international students at times.

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And then we also minister to friends and neighbors that need help and encouragement.

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And we have several events a year that do those kinds of things.

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And I'm not plugging crosswaters.

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I know I've said this a couple of times, but I'm just saying that's one thing I'm involved

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in that's greater than me, that helps serve the greater good of my life in God's love.

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And by giving love, we become the source of all the love that we want to receive.

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So two things I'll leave with here is basically be the source of what you need.

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If it's money that you need, find a worthy cause to give some money away and become the

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source of that.

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And if it's hope you need, find somebody to encourage and give hope to because that hope

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will come back to you.

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And I'm not a big believer, I'm a believer in the law of attraction, but not that you

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sit in a field and think about something and it magically appears.

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I am a believer in positive thinking and the power of positive thinking and the fact that

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things will happen well if you think well.

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You become what you think about most of the time.

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So the other thing is being part of something that's bigger than yourself and giving abundantly

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to it.

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And that's where you find fulfillment in life.

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There's a lot of suicidal millionaires that I know that have everything they could ever

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want or need.

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Their needs for the rest of their lives are met, but they have no purpose because they're

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not giving of their time, talent, and ability and treasure to something bigger than themselves.

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And that's just sad.

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That's just sad that people become depressed and suicidal and so on and so forth because

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they have no fulfillment because you can find fulfillment in the work that you do outside

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of just having a job and a nine to five and going to work and punching a clock and so

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on and so forth, in ministry and volunteer opportunities in so many different ways.

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And so I would leave that as a way to spread hope and inspiration to other people to receive

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that in your life as well.

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Thank you.

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A friend once told me when he starts feeling down, depressed, whatever, he's learned just

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go serve somebody and then he feels and then he feels better, puts a smile on his face.

523
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That's exactly what I'm saying.

524
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Yes.

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And his whole day turns around.

526
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,960
Hey, Dustin, thanks so much for being with us today.

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00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,280
Thank you so much for having me.

528
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,280
Thanks, Greg.

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Can I plug my website here at the end?

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Do you mind?

531
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:44,720
Please do.

532
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:48,280
And we're going to put it in the show notes to your books and your website.

533
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,360
Go ahead.

534
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:56,040
So I have several outdoor industry that are ebook versions that are out there that I've

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written over the last 10 years or so.

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00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,680
The latest two books that I have and I've released both of them within the last year's

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00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,040
time is called an intentional optimized life.

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It's available on Amazon and Kindle and paperback and also I have an audio book version of it

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00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:12,840
on my website.

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And then I also have empowering resilience, which I just released at the beginning of

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00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:22,280
this month, empowering resilience, putting out lives fires and winning one day at a time.

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And a lot of that is based around the serenity prayer and living with peace and confidence

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and the joy that God offers us.

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And it's kind of both books are kind of part success and part spirituality.

545
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So there's a lot of that and then relationship management and all that other fun stuff too.

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And my website to find all of this is really easy.

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It's dustinsprojects.com.

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That's dustinsprojects.com.

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And thank you so much for having me on the show.

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And if you're lucky, there may even be a link to this podcast on there.

551
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,680
Oh, there will be.

552
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,280
I'll be excited to put that on there as well.

553
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My podcast appearances.

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It's been a pleasure.

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00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,560
This has been a great conversation and I really enjoyed connecting with your listeners and

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I hope that they've received a lot out of this as listeners as well.

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Thanks again, Dustin.

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If you have had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear about it.

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Send an email to eric at roundtripdeath.com.

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And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting, if it's given you just a little

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more hope in the future, share it with a friend, hit that follow button and take a few seconds

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Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the

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next.