#223 - June's Fatal Car Accident and Her NDE

0:00 One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die? Is death the end or a new beginning? Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast. In this show, we listen to first-hand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and return to talk about it. This morning, we have on the line with us June Ahern from beautiful Pacifica, California. Good morning, June. Good morning. How is it out there near the ocean? Well, it's very fogged in.

0:43 Not dripping fog, which we get a lot of, but it's very fogged in in gray. I don't mind. I like it. The humidity from that is wonderful. Anyway, before we talk about your near-death experience, would you just tell us a little bit about yourself? Yes. Well, let's see. To begin with, I'm a curious person. I like to educate myself from different sources, but I like to take action and experience whenever I can for myself. So I would say, if you want to know about me, I'm a curious person. I'm interested in people. I love animals. I've had animals, dogs, cats, fish, a horse.

1:24 My life dream came true. She's passed on. I feel like I'm an ordinary person. I'm a wife, a mother, a grandmother, a good friend, a sister. I have many sisters. I have a couple of brothers. I like people, and I like to know what are people thinking and what have they experienced. I think that that kind of sums me up. I'm creative, I draw, I write books, I write, I journal. I think that about sums me up. That's awesome. So your experience happened way back in the 1970s, and back then, people didn't talk about this because if you did, they thought you were crazy.

2:08 So now that you've been able to open up about it, and I'm very happy for you about that, tell us how it has changed your thought process on the whole thing. I grew up in a religious household. So we had a tendency toward believing there's a life afterwards. But that image was more of if you were a good person, you got to have a good life. If you weren't so good, well, you had to go to purgatory for a while. And if you're really bad, you went to hell. So I had mixed feelings about what would happen after death. I mean, after all, if I wasn't good enough, I may never get to heaven.

2:49 Then I had a near death accident, automobile accident. I went through the windshield and I came back in. And when I came back in, I brought the windshield back into my face. So most of my face was, the skin in my face was torn off. And I remember sitting, talking to the police officer that came in the car. And I don't remember getting into the ambulance. One of the most profound parts of me while I was waiting in the car after the accident next to the person driving who was like making all kinds of noise and it was annoying the heck out of me, there was a woman that was standing outside the car.

3:31 And she just kept looking. I always tear up when I say this because this is how deeply and mostly it affected upon it. It had upon me. And she was dressed all in white. She looked glorious and very comforting. And she said to me, it'll be okay. You see how it still affects me. When later I learned that there was a young couple that saw the accident, we ran into a utility pole. The car went right into it full force. I didn't know that my partner had knotted out, fallen asleep, passed out. And this is before seat belts, right?

4:12 Nobody wore seat belts. What were those? And no airbags. Oh, no, no. You just drove by the grace of God, go you. And later I learned that there was no woman there. They said there was a couple. They called it in, but they had to go to a phone booth so they weren't there. Who was this woman? So that said, in the hospital, during my operation, I had to have surgery immediately. And in between that, I saw myself in front of a garden, very nice green lush garden.

4:52 And there was an ornate white fence in front of me. Beautiful fence. I really like about chest high, not real high. On the other side, there were all these wonderful people that remind me of Ricky Nelson's song, It's a Garden Party. People were having fun. They were talking quietly. They were laughing. And these were some relatives that I only recognized from photographs because when we left, we emigrated from Scotland to the United States. I was a girl. I was only six. And then my maternal grandparents came up to the fence, not very close. And I wanted to go in. I wanted to join the party. I was like, oh boy, the beautiful bliss of all my years of meditating.

5:39 I have never achieved that place of bliss. I've achieved serenity and peacefulness, but not that bliss. And everything was in a beautiful light. And they said, hello, June, not now. Go back. Bye. And they were waving at me. And I'm so disappointed that I can't go into this beautiful garden party. And then I recall being in the hospital bed shaking and I could hear the nurses running around. You know, she's in shock. She's in shock. Gets a little blank. I didn't know how to tell anybody for years about this experience.

6:21 I had no words. And, you know, as you said, if you said it, people would definitely label you as crazy. Like, oh, she knocked her head. She lost some of her screws. Yeah, that's unfortunately the case that we hear from people back then. Well, that was a lot. And you went through it kind of fast. You mind if we dig just a little bit deeper here? Was there a time where you felt like you left your body? You know, some people see a tunnel or a light. But go kind of from start to finish here if there's more detail. I did not recall. No, I did not experience leaving my body. I know I did die in the ambulance because they told me, you know, but I did not expect see a light at the end of the tunnel.

7:02 I didn't. My life didn't flash in front of me. No, I don't recall that. Hoover in above and watching. I was just there. I was I was in that moment and in that place. That's where I was. Yeah. Tell us more about the garden. Do you remember what it looked like? Oh, the garden was beautiful. It was lush green. Just that emerald green, I guess you would say. And there were picnic blankets spread around. People were laughing with each other and talking. And I don't recall exactly, but I have a thought that there were picnic things like beverages and such like that that I can't really say if that was true or not.

7:51 I just know that it appeared to me to be like a picnic in a beautiful setting. I did not see flowers. I only saw the greenness, the beautiful greenness and the light that was around it, a beautiful, soft, glowing light. Not like the light I saw around the woman that was standing outside of the car when I had the accident. That sort of soft, brilliant white is what I would like to say. Did you feel like the fence was to keep you on your side and not go in there? I did not feel that at the time.

8:31 I just felt like I arrived someplace that something was happening beyond my participation. And that's why I wanted to go in. I wanted to participate with these happy people. I wanted to go cross over, I guess. Now that you're asking me that, that's a very good question. I felt like I could go through the fence. I felt like if I really wanted to, I really wanted to go through the fence. Unfortunately, I was told, no, not now. Not now. Like maybe you can come later, but you can't come now. And that's what they said, oh, gee, not now.

9:12 Not now. Go back. So amazingly how my life began to change slowly after that. I mean, there was a lot of healing that went on physically, emotionally for me from that accident that took quite a few years. Just the beautiful light, the sharpness of colors, the sharpness of sentiments, the emotional sense of, as I said, the greatest sense of joy and peace to be there. It was not like, oh, when you die, you either go to heaven, go to purgatory, or go to hell.

9:53 Not that feeling of, ooh, which will it be? I actually went to a beautiful place. So hopefully that's what's waiting for me after I leave this body. I hope so too. Some people tell me that they had an option and they could make a choice of whether to come back or not. And some people like you were just told that you need to go back. What do you make of that? Have you thought about that? And why is that different for some people than others? I have thought of that. And I have read so many different people's experiences and gone to talks and really listening with an open mind.

10:34 I remember I said, I'm a curious person. I want to find out and educate myself and hear what others have to say. I didn't feel I had a choice. I felt like I was being directed. Like, well, not now, in a soft way. Not in a, oh, you can't come in here. It's not like St. Peter at the pearly gates looking down the book said, oh no, oh no, not you, cross it off. I felt as though it was a peaceful rejection, if you will. It was a loving rejection because my grandparents were so loving that they really were loving people. That's how I felt. I felt it wasn't done out of a rejection. It was done out of love.

11:16 You know, not now. Go back to find out that, yes, I had, it was an unhappy time in my life. I came from a rather abusive childhood. I was not happy. There was a lot going on. So I wonder if I was being told to go back because there was something better for me, which in time I came to learn that it took a long time. You mentioned that you saw relatives there. Did you recognize them or are they people that you knew before they passed who give me a little more insight on that?

11:56 The only people I recognize were my maternal grandparents. I did not recognize anyone else. They were somewhat behind the gate. There was a, you know, as a distance, like I was actually looking at people having a good time. They were not close to the fence. The only way I recognized that there were some of my relatives was through old photographs of my mother. So really everything was from my mother's side. And there were other people, but more like you look at a crowd where you only recognize, say a few, you say, oh, there's so and so. There's so and so. As I said, the only ones that I actually connected with from knowing were my grandparents.

12:41 And did you know them before they passed on or just from photos? Just from photos because they had either passed on before I was born or they passed on after, but again, living in United States, it's not like that, you didn't get on Zoom, you made these three minute phone calls that cost you an arm and a leg. And so all I ever knew were when they would send photographs of, say, you know, as we would send, oh, my child's getting married or we have a new grandchild, like that. So I knew from my mother's album, these people, her brothers, her in-laws, her friends.

13:22 And that's what I knew. And by the time this accident happened in the early 1970s, well, actually it was 1970, most of those had passed on my mother's relatives, her brothers. She was the youngest of five brothers. Now, you mentioned one feeling. I've been taking notes here. You mentioned, this is one of my favorite words, bliss. Tell me about that. And can you put any other adjectives to it to describe for people what that felt like? This is a utopia. For me, it is a place or a level. Maybe it's a level of one's emotional, mental, physical, spiritual being, where all that really exists is already answered.

14:13 There's no sense of why or how or should I or could I. It is really in a place, I said utopia, of great peace. Now for those that do meditate, we understand that wonderful feeling of peace. If you meditate, like say, you have a real practice and you're meditating, even the time in your life where you sat back, maybe it was a time you just sat back and you went, isn't this great? Isn't this wonderful? Oh, look, all my family's getting along, my little cat's on my lap. And you have this wonderful sense of serenity and peacefulness and joy where you actually are joyous and you feel that through your whole physical self.

15:03 So it is not only a mental, emotional experience, it actually is in the body and your body feels so relaxed. See, I'm a swimmer and I think the closest I ever came to God, of my God, of my heart, how I perceive that being or feeling of God was when I swam, I would swim laps, like I would try to get up to a mile of swimming laps or down in the ocean, going in the water in the waves. And that's the feeling of completeness. You are completely who you are in the moment of who you are and there's no question that you have where you doubt anything.

15:46 I hope that is a little bit of an explanation of bliss. One more question now. You talked about this woman in white outside the car. You've had a long time to think about this. Who do you think she was? We will refer her to an angel, a messenger. She was not anyone that I would physically say I knew that person. Oh, that reminded me of so and so. It was a woman that appeared to be in her, well, I was 19, so she was like old, right? She was probably in her 40s to me.

16:27 She was a mature woman, but not an elderly woman, not a crone or a senior. And she just felt very calm. And I believe that that was the greatest feeling that I got from her. She was calm. It calmed me down having her stand there. Instead of being in a place of panic, you have to understand I was bleeding profusely from my head, my head and my face. There was blood all over my coat, as a matter of fact, I said to the officer, and I remember this, and he brought it up when he called me later. He said, that was so funny that you kept saying, oh my God, I'm ruining my coat.

17:07 And I was like, oh my God, this is a new coat. There's blood everywhere. The woman gave me the feeling of calmness when she said, it's okay. You'll be okay. That's what I felt from her. You're calm. It's okay. So who was the first person that you told about this? And how did it go? Wow, the first person. It had to, yeah. I didn't really talk about it in depth like we are. I just said at one time, I did not have a good relationship with my father.

17:49 Nobody had a very good relationship with my father. And there came a time where he had quadruple heart surgery and he was really sick. And I was the only one in the family that went up to see him in the hospital. And we started talking. And I told him that in a very short way, you know, daddy, I think that I might have died. And I think I might have went to the other side or someplace. I said, heaven, because we didn't call it the other side then. I said, I might have went to heaven. I didn't go into detail, but he became interested when he came out of the hospital. It was later in 1970s and about 1978, 1979, Dr. Moody came out with a book, Life After Life.

18:35 This is the first coming out book. And he was a well respected doctor as such. And this book really put him out, not a great light within his profession. But my father gave me that book. Now, remember, I'm not close to this man. I'm afraid of him, actually. But I revealed something to him and he supported it. He supported it this way by giving me this book to read. Then I did not speak about it to really anybody until the early 1980s when I began to share some of my knowledge and what had been produced by this near death experience.

19:15 I had a particularly unexpected career and I began to share that in classes that I was giving. Again, I never went into detail. I skirted around it. Remember, I still didn't want to be seen like a nut, right? And so that's how I talked about it, rather than personal relationships. Other than my father, I began to talk about it more to students, my students that were there. And to friends, I didn't share it with the family very easy at all. Okay. So how has your life changed since all this? I mean, well, it's been 50 plus years now.

19:59 And I don't know, maybe how do you think your life would have been different without it versus what it's been like since? You have to remember, I was a product of the 1960s. You know, wild into everything curious about what I could achieve through ultra state of consciousness growing up in San Francisco. I was on a wild track and pretty crazy. And that went on for, even after my near death experience, that went on for quite a while. I believe I've been told, people have said that I'm pretty bold and I speak out. I speak my mind.

20:40 I've learned not to speak it so much anymore in my old age. And I did not want to go downtown. When we got out of high school, my father has said, the women don't go to college, just get a job till you get a husband. You know, you were going to get married, have kids. So at 18, I went downtown to work in a bank. And I knew from day one, when I got on that bus, they went to go to this new job. I said, I'm not going to do this. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm not going to do this. Everybody fall out of sleep looking miserable. So I signed up for truck driving, log distance truck driving, a course. So just before this accident, I wanted to be a truck driver and get away and get on the road.

21:26 And then after my accident in healing, as I said, physically, emotionally, having to heal, I had to stay home. It was very devastating for a young 19, 20 year old woman to wake up and have really noticeable scars all over her face and the reaction from people. So I would say that I began to more or less hide out. And in that hiding out, I became curious because before the accident, I had gone with a group of girlfriends for a card read, you know, just a playing card fortune telling. And the woman had predicted this. And she predicted it rather with a good description.

22:09 There'll be two men. It'll be a difficult time. They'll have an accident. And this is say about less than six months before the accident, about six months maybe. And so I bought a book and I became curious. So not my, my personality is I am an extrovert. I enjoy being around most people, not big crowds, but people. And as I withdrew, I began to educate myself to out of my curiosity to study, how could this woman have done that and known that? How it changed my life. It opened a door where I became, became curious in the metaphysics and the occult.

22:50 I wanted to know more about paranormal. I wanted to know why would I see people that are already dead. So that was where my curiosity led me to study through classes, through going to things like the unity church where they would have unusual people talking about unusual things. That's how my life began to change in a slow, like hidden way. If you remember, I said I was brought up rather religious. We did not talk about this kind of information. Though my mother used to read tea leaves for us, but we were told not to talk to the nuns at school about it. We weren't supposed to talk about it outside the family.

23:30 She said she only did it for fun. So you just mentioned that you see dead people. Let's go down that road. Tell us about that. And did this only start after the NDE? Yes. It only started after the NDE. And it happened, let me say, how old was I? So, 1973. You have to go back in history and figure ages out. Probably around 1973, 1974. I left a really bad relationship and I was living with a sister. I had met a young man during one of my, I got on the train one day and I decided that I would run away from home about 74.

24:13 And I went up to Oregon. I met a young man and really liked him and his family. He took me home. It's just me, his family. I got a phone call that he had passed on. He had committed suicide is what he did. And I saw, he came to me. Now I'm not going to say that this was pleasant. It was not a pleasant experience at all. It scared the bejeevis out of me and he showed up to talk to me. During that time, my grandparents on the other side also came to me one day when I was cleaning out the bathtub. You know, it's almost like you take your mind off of something and then something occurs. And both experiences were unanswered on question.

24:56 I didn't know what was going on. I called my mother and I said to her, Granny and Granda came to me. They were holding hands. I didn't want to tell her I saw them before. After all, remember I'm keeping this quiet. And she said, thank you very much. She was very close to her parents. I mean, just the adored child, the youngest, the only girl. And she said, thank you because I was so worried that they weren't together. So I answered that, you know, that she did not mock me or doubt me. She actually accepted what I had to say. After that, I was in denial of being in touch with those who had passed on.

25:36 I didn't want any part of it. It wasn't like I went, hallelujah, I see dead people. I'm like, stay away from me. I'm not interested. And I began to know things about people. I followed more of a different path than saying being a medium. In the 1980s, there was, by then I was still able to see spirits around people, but I never brought it up. I didn't tell anybody this. And in the 1980s, I had read for a woman and she said, oh, I refer people to you. I told them that you're a wonderful medium because I had given her some information. I actually got angry at her because I did not want people to know that this is something I could do.

26:21 Why is that? That's really weird. In my mind at that time, that's really weird. So I began again to educate myself. By that time in the barrier, there was a psychic and author named Betty Brithard. And she wrote dream books and she wrote other books on metaphysical, parapsychology, paranormal information. She was very well respected, very well known in the Bay Area. I went to some of her lectures. I shared with her that. And she said, you have to have an opportunity to meet her while you're about the book. And I said, I don't know what to do with this.

27:02 And she said, this is a gift that you will want to share with others. And do it as you feel comfortable doing it. And so I came out of the closet a little more, very carefully, step by step. I guess it was an ego thing. You as my other part of unexpected career, I became what is known as a psychic reader. And I wanted people to respect it because I was being told by even some family members, not so much my sisters, the males, that I was working for the devil and I was a phone.

27:43 People were calling me phony and a charlatan and a con. And I wanted respect. So I didn't want people to think that I was talking to dead people on top of having insights into people. Yeah, it's kind of a lot, I guess. So what sort of advice do you have for people who don't know if they believe in an afterlife or not? Just people, I think it's a normal human thing to be afraid of death. What do you have to say to them? Well, I'm very respectful of other people's thoughts. I don't try to convince people to anything. It is something that you either just know, you just know it for some reason, you just believe in it.

28:26 Maybe you learned it as a child in religion and you decided, oh yeah, I'm going to go down that path. However, if you're not in a religion and you're out in nature, you understand that nothing really comes to an end. No sooner have the leaves dropped, you give it a few months and the blossoms begin again, that life is a cycle, maybe you're philosophical and you understand that. And if you do not believe in it, too bad. You'll find out one or another. I would say, I'm going to be really pissed if I died and I'm all burned into ashes and I'm like, okay, where's heaven?

29:08 For the most part, do people have anything to fear in the afterlife? Well, I have read and very few people have said to me, well, I died once again, so it was really black and it was terrible and I was afraid. I think that there can be people that experience that for various reasons. It can be, when I was going to school, we learned that the soul resided in the heart. And if you did whatever particular sin, venial or mortal sin, that the soul blackened. So perhaps you lived a life where your soul blackened and there was only darkness in you, that you were not a person that cared of other people or you did injuries to others, you were against society and did not, for humanity, good purposes.

30:03 They perhaps will experience the darkness on the other side. I can't speak for all people and I have never said I can. I think that there are people who, from what I've read and a few that I've spoke with, they did not have good experiences on the other side. Maybe they could start to live a cleaner life. There are a few things that I'm finding in common in doing these interviews with people that have had NDEs. One is that every experience is different in some way. There are a lot of commonalities too. And one of them seems to be, hey, I'm not afraid of death anymore.

30:45 Are you saying that people that are not living a good life that are going against all the norms of society, all the moralities of people, they should be afraid of it? Oh, I don't know. I don't think that they even probably care. You see later in life, some people that have abused humanity for their own gain, if they get a chance to live to their older, they have a chance to give some of their money to charity. Or say, well, okay, now I see I did this, maybe I can make some amends. Like, oh, I better hedge my bets here just in case there is another life.

31:29 And there's some that just don't care. So I don't think they should be afraid. I think that at some point, perhaps they could be more aware and conscious that to give another person an opportunity to share what we have in a positive way. And that doesn't have to be a material thing, by the way. That could be something to where you see a person down on their luck. And you say good morning to them. You say, hello. Those are good values to have in life that you actually care about people. It doesn't live a life where they are very into their self. Nowadays, we hear all the word narcissistic people.

32:11 It's a new thing everybody's learning. And if you think you are that way, will you ever really be aware that if there is an afterlife, what will it be like for you? I guess if you're narcissistic, it'll revolve around you and be whatever you want it to be. Exactly. I hope that doesn't sound too terribly rude. Tell me about your books. Okay. I have two novels and two non-fictions. My first book was written because I was asked. I was asked to write all of them. My first one was how to go and find a reasonable psychic reader and medium.

32:54 And how could you use a psychic reading really to evolve somewhat where the NDE does, it gives you an opportunity to evolve to a greater sense of who am I and why am I here? What is my purpose? That's what majority of people that I have experienced either through lectures or reading have a greater purpose in their life once they return to planet Earth. So the book does go into how do you ask questions to get the most out of a reading and like that. It's just put together in my garage, you know, with friends helping me. It was just a nice little book. But it set me on a course.

33:35 The next two books were novels. I thoroughly enjoyed writing. And then my last book is based upon my experience as a medium and working with the police on murder cases. I answer a lot of questions. My first chapter is actually questions from the curious living. A reviewer of my book said, I don't know what I'm doing because you never put questions in the beginning of the book. You put them at the end. And I thought, well, I want to answer people's questions. I don't want to make it all about me. What do you want? You know, are you as curious as I am? And then I tell him, I let people know how to experience communication with spirits either through a medium, through a seance, through a group, like, you know, some psychics that do groups, and it's called gallery reading, or solo, which I really encourage and promote the most.

34:35 You can do it yourself. You really can. And here's ways you can do it. The thing that happens here, if I may go on a little bit, the thing that happens here is that we are so engulfed with grief. It is very difficult to either believe we are in communication for our loved one that passed on, or to hear the message of our loved one that passed on. These are two things to really hear it. For instance, I don't have much patience. I know I'm learning. I'm old now. I'm starting to learn.

35:16 I got grandkids. I'm not patient. So, I was not patient so much with my mother, and I call it the long goodbye. She was, that took a time to die. I would get impatient with her. And so, I was just re-repecked with guilt when she passed, like, oh my God, you know, what a horrible daughter I was to her, because I was kind of her primary care in the way I was legally her primary care. And she would come to me and she'd say, June, thank you so much for everything you did. I could not believe it. I was like, oh no, I'm a terrible daughter. I was impatient. I'd say, come on, mom, stop that. Take your medicine, things like that. So I went for a medium reading to someone that I respect.

36:00 And the first thing she says is, your mother wants to tell you to stop telling her that you were terrible, which she's trying to tell you, thank you for all you did for me. So even me, a medium who's in this, needed to go to somebody else because my emotional state did not allow me the freedom to really live in, to really hear it in an objective way. Does that make sense to you? Yeah, that's really interesting. I'm curious, and before we end here, maybe just one last thing. If you could tell us one of the interesting experiences that you had as being a medium in criminal cases.

36:42 I'm going to tell you right now, as much as people are interested in it, it is not a nice experience. You are actually speaking to somebody who violently died, were terribly afraid, murdered. And I worked with the woman that was murdered, eventually we found out, was a long-time client. Now that, excuse me, she had only come to me a few times for readings. It was her sister-in-law that was a long-time client. Well, the woman didn't come home from work, and she had two young children. She worked at a hospital. She always came home. And I answered my phone. I don't know why. On those days, you didn't much answer your phone after nine o'clock.

37:24 And I answered it. Yeah, that was late. Yeah, yeah. Don't call anybody after nine o'clock. Certainly not 10 o'clock. And it was after nine o'clock, and I picked up the phone. It was my client. She said, I really, I need to talk to you, blah, blah, blah. So I said, well, come over to the house. And I had a young son. It was late. It was after 10. And I gave her, I actually drew a picture. I, because remember, I told you I draw. I'm a fun artist. I draw for myself. I drew a picture of the man that she was with. Well, it turns out that was the, it eventually, I worked with the DA, and I worked with the homicide detective later. That's really not pleasant. The DA was fine.

38:05 The homicide detective was hard. And it turned out that the picture I drew actually was totally a picture of the murderer. Even I thought that was pretty good. I was like, oh, wow. And I went through the whole process. When the detective came to get me, I named the name of the street in a small town down the coast. Talk about Happen Bay. This was a town in between down the coast. And I actually gave the name of the street and directed the DA and the detective came and picked me up. One of my older, my elder sister came with me because I was really rattled. I sat in the back of the car and I pointed to where we were going and where this murderer had taken this woman.

38:48 And there was proof of this. It came out later. There was a lot of proof that everywhere we went and what I said was absolutely right on. That's because the woman that was murdered was showing up and telling me this. And it was uncomfortable. I mean, couldn't she come in the daytime? Oh, no. She had to come when I fell asleep and wake me up. So I was getting like, please, would you stop waking me up? I got to get up in the morning. I got a kid here. Even my son, who was only like three and a half, four, he got information and I actually recorded him. And I didn't keep the tape. I remember cassette tapes in those days.

39:28 And he gave me information. I have to tell you something. I know your audience will probably think I'm terrible. I took credit for some of the information because I didn't want them talking to my little son. And it turns out that it was actually really good proof. They actually got witnesses from what my son told me. And it was very sad. Eventually he went to trial. They did put him away. In the last few years, he did get out. He finally was paroled. And it was a terrible death for her. She was beaten to death and kicked. It was a terrible death. And I actually, when we went to the one spot where I knew he took her and nobody was around, it was by the ocean, by the way.

40:10 And I got out of the car and I fell to my knees. Now this is the time I had a skirt on in Nylons. I remember women's store where Nylons. I don't know if they do anymore. And I fell down on the ground, on the gravel and was crawling away. I became her. And he was kicking her in her butt and her butt kicking her along. Oh, it was just terrible. I did not know because they didn't tell everybody anything. The police have to keep stuff. She had bruises of a boot, bruises all over her butt and her back. Big size bruises. I didn't know that. Nobody knew it. They kept that to themselves. Yeah, that would be so difficult to do that kind of work.

40:53 Oh, I was hysterical. My sister had to help me up. The detective in the DA, she said, were standing there with their mouth open. They were just like, and she helped me up. And then on the way back, I was living in San Francisco. You know, that's where I grew up. And I was living in San Francisco and I gave them another piece of information that they never, never gave out. The detective was so stunned. He had to pull off the road and park the car. And he said, how do you know that? I said, well, why are you here? Why are you asking me? Because remember, he's a detective. He's like, can I really believe this nut?

41:33 And the DA was really happy because it helped build his case. Well, I assume that the detective in the DA also, they're thinking, OK, I can't use this in court, but if it leads me to something quote, tangible that I can use in court, then that's OK. Exactly. That's exactly it. You have to be reasonable and logical. And I believe as a medium, or a, well, I retired now, but also as a psychic reader, I said to people, we have to be reasonable and logical with information in order that you can use it to better yourself and your life. I did not like the woo woo woo, you know, you're something, you know, I wanted, how can you use this information to bring peace to yourself, peace to others, or even better your life by the actions you take?

42:27 That was really what I valued. And that's what I did. OK, June, thank you so much for your time. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. If you have had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear about it. Send an email to Eric at roundtripdeath.com. And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting, if it's given you just a little more hope in the future, share it with a friend, hit that follow button, and take a few seconds to write us a review. Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.