#223 - June's Fatal Car Accident and Her NDE

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One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die?

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Is death the end or a new beginning?

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Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast.

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In this show, we listen to first-hand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and

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return to talk about it.

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This morning, we have on the line with us June Ahern from beautiful Pacifica, California.

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Good morning, June.

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Good morning.

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How is it out there near the ocean?

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Well, it's very fogged in.

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Not dripping fog, which we get a lot of, but it's very fogged in in gray.

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I don't mind.

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I like it.

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The humidity from that is wonderful.

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Anyway, before we talk about your near-death experience, would you just tell us a little

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bit about yourself?

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Yes.

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Well, let's see.

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To begin with, I'm a curious person.

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I like to educate myself from different sources, but I like to take action and experience whenever

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I can for myself.

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So I would say, if you want to know about me, I'm a curious person.

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I'm interested in people.

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I love animals.

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I've had animals, dogs, cats, fish, a horse.

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My life dream came true.

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She's passed on.

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I feel like I'm an ordinary person.

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I'm a wife, a mother, a grandmother, a good friend, a sister.

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I have many sisters.

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I have a couple of brothers.

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I like people, and I like to know what are people thinking and what have they experienced.

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I think that that kind of sums me up.

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I'm creative, I draw, I write books, I write, I journal.

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I think that about sums me up.

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That's awesome.

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So your experience happened way back in the 1970s, and back then, people didn't talk about

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this because if you did, they thought you were crazy.

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So now that you've been able to open up about it, and I'm very happy for you about that,

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tell us how it has changed your thought process on the whole thing.

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I grew up in a religious household.

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So we had a tendency toward believing there's a life afterwards.

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But that image was more of if you were a good person, you got to have a good life.

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If you weren't so good, well, you had to go to purgatory for a while.

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And if you're really bad, you went to hell.

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So I had mixed feelings about what would happen after death.

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I mean, after all, if I wasn't good enough, I may never get to heaven.

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Then I had a near death accident, automobile accident.

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I went through the windshield and I came back in.

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And when I came back in, I brought the windshield back into my face.

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So most of my face was, the skin in my face was torn off.

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And I remember sitting, talking to the police officer that came in the car.

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And I don't remember getting into the ambulance.

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One of the most profound parts of me while I was waiting in the car after the accident

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next to the person driving who was like making all kinds of noise and it was annoying the

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heck out of me, there was a woman that was standing outside the car.

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And she just kept looking.

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I always tear up when I say this because this is how deeply and mostly it affected upon

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it.

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It had upon me.

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And she was dressed all in white.

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She looked glorious and very comforting.

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And she said to me, it'll be okay.

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You see how it still affects me.

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When later I learned that there was a young couple that saw the accident, we ran into

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a utility pole.

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The car went right into it full force.

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I didn't know that my partner had knotted out, fallen asleep, passed out.

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And this is before seat belts, right?

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Nobody wore seat belts.

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What were those?

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And no airbags.

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Oh, no, no.

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You just drove by the grace of God, go you.

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And later I learned that there was no woman there.

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They said there was a couple.

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They called it in, but they had to go to a phone booth so they weren't there.

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Who was this woman?

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So that said, in the hospital, during my operation, I had to have surgery immediately.

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And in between that, I saw myself in front of a garden, very nice green lush garden.

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And there was an ornate white fence in front of me.

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Beautiful fence.

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I really like about chest high, not real high.

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On the other side, there were all these wonderful people that remind me of Ricky Nelson's song,

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It's a Garden Party.

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People were having fun.

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They were talking quietly.

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They were laughing.

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And these were some relatives that I only recognized from photographs because when we left, we

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emigrated from Scotland to the United States.

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I was a girl.

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I was only six.

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And then my maternal grandparents came up to the fence, not very close.

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And I wanted to go in.

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I wanted to join the party.

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I was like, oh boy, the beautiful bliss of all my years of meditating.

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I have never achieved that place of bliss.

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I've achieved serenity and peacefulness, but not that bliss.

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And everything was in a beautiful light.

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And they said, hello, June, not now.

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Go back.

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Bye.

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And they were waving at me.

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And I'm so disappointed that I can't go into this beautiful garden party.

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And then I recall being in the hospital bed shaking and I could hear the nurses running

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around.

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You know, she's in shock.

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She's in shock.

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Gets a little blank.

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I didn't know how to tell anybody for years about this experience.

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I had no words.

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And, you know, as you said, if you said it, people would definitely label you as crazy.

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Like, oh, she knocked her head.

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She lost some of her screws.

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Yeah, that's unfortunately the case that we hear from people back then.

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Well, that was a lot.

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And you went through it kind of fast.

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You mind if we dig just a little bit deeper here?

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Was there a time where you felt like you left your body?

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You know, some people see a tunnel or a light.

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But go kind of from start to finish here if there's more detail.

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I did not recall.

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No, I did not experience leaving my body.

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I know I did die in the ambulance because they told me, you know, but I did not expect

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see a light at the end of the tunnel.

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I didn't.

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My life didn't flash in front of me.

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No, I don't recall that.

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Hoover in above and watching.

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I was just there.

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I was I was in that moment and in that place.

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That's where I was.

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Yeah.

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Tell us more about the garden.

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Do you remember what it looked like?

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Oh, the garden was beautiful.

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It was lush green.

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Just that emerald green, I guess you would say.

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And there were picnic blankets spread around.

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People were laughing with each other and talking.

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And I don't recall exactly, but I have a thought that there were picnic things like beverages

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and such like that that I can't really say if that was true or not.

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I just know that it appeared to me to be like a picnic in a beautiful setting.

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I did not see flowers.

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I only saw the greenness, the beautiful greenness and the light that was around it, a beautiful,

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soft, glowing light.

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Not like the light I saw around the woman that was standing outside of the car when

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I had the accident.

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That sort of soft, brilliant white is what I would like to say.

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Did you feel like the fence was to keep you on your side and not go in there?

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I did not feel that at the time.

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I just felt like I arrived someplace that something was happening beyond my participation.

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And that's why I wanted to go in.

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I wanted to participate with these happy people.

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I wanted to go cross over, I guess.

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Now that you're asking me that, that's a very good question.

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I felt like I could go through the fence.

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I felt like if I really wanted to, I really wanted to go through the fence.

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Unfortunately, I was told, no, not now.

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Not now.

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Like maybe you can come later, but you can't come now.

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And that's what they said, oh, gee, not now.

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Not now.

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Go back.

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So amazingly how my life began to change slowly after that.

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I mean, there was a lot of healing that went on physically, emotionally for me from that

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accident that took quite a few years.

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Just the beautiful light, the sharpness of colors, the sharpness of sentiments, the emotional

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sense of, as I said, the greatest sense of joy and peace to be there.

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It was not like, oh, when you die, you either go to heaven, go to purgatory, or go to hell.

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Not that feeling of, ooh, which will it be?

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I actually went to a beautiful place.

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So hopefully that's what's waiting for me after I leave this body.

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I hope so too.

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Some people tell me that they had an option and they could make a choice of whether to

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come back or not.

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And some people like you were just told that you need to go back.

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What do you make of that?

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Have you thought about that?

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And why is that different for some people than others?

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I have thought of that.

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And I have read so many different people's experiences and gone to talks and really listening

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with an open mind.

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I remember I said, I'm a curious person.

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I want to find out and educate myself and hear what others have to say.

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I didn't feel I had a choice.

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I felt like I was being directed.

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Like, well, not now, in a soft way.

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Not in a, oh, you can't come in here.

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It's not like St. Peter at the pearly gates looking down the book said, oh no, oh no, not

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you, cross it off.

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I felt as though it was a peaceful rejection, if you will.

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It was a loving rejection because my grandparents were so loving that they really were loving

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people.

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That's how I felt.

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I felt it wasn't done out of a rejection.

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It was done out of love.

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You know, not now.

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Go back to find out that, yes, I had, it was an unhappy time in my life.

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I came from a rather abusive childhood.

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I was not happy.

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There was a lot going on.

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So I wonder if I was being told to go back because there was something better for me,

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which in time I came to learn that it took a long time.

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You mentioned that you saw relatives there.

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Did you recognize them or are they people that you knew before they passed who give

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me a little more insight on that?

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The only people I recognize were my maternal grandparents.

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I did not recognize anyone else.

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They were somewhat behind the gate.

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There was a, you know, as a distance, like I was actually looking at people having a

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good time.

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They were not close to the fence.

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The only way I recognized that there were some of my relatives was through old photographs

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of my mother.

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So really everything was from my mother's side.

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And there were other people, but more like you look at a crowd where you only recognize,

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say a few, you say, oh, there's so and so.

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There's so and so.

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As I said, the only ones that I actually connected with from knowing were my grandparents.

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And did you know them before they passed on or just from photos?

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Just from photos because they had either passed on before I was born or they passed on after,

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but again, living in United States, it's not like that, you didn't get on Zoom, you made

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these three minute phone calls that cost you an arm and a leg.

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And so all I ever knew were when they would send photographs of, say, you know, as we

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would send, oh, my child's getting married or we have a new grandchild, like that.

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So I knew from my mother's album, these people, her brothers, her in-laws, her friends.

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And that's what I knew.

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And by the time this accident happened in the early 1970s, well, actually it was 1970,

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most of those had passed on my mother's relatives, her brothers.

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She was the youngest of five brothers.

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Now, you mentioned one feeling.

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I've been taking notes here.

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You mentioned, this is one of my favorite words, bliss.

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Tell me about that.

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And can you put any other adjectives to it to describe for people what that felt like?

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This is a utopia.

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For me, it is a place or a level.

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Maybe it's a level of one's emotional, mental, physical, spiritual being, where all that

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really exists is already answered.

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There's no sense of why or how or should I or could I.

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It is really in a place, I said utopia, of great peace.

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Now for those that do meditate, we understand that wonderful feeling of peace.

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If you meditate, like say, you have a real practice and you're meditating, even the time

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in your life where you sat back, maybe it was a time you just sat back and you went,

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isn't this great?

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Isn't this wonderful?

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Oh, look, all my family's getting along, my little cat's on my lap.

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And you have this wonderful sense of serenity and peacefulness and joy where you actually

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are joyous and you feel that through your whole physical self.

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So it is not only a mental, emotional experience, it actually is in the body and your body feels

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so relaxed.

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See, I'm a swimmer and I think the closest I ever came to God, of my God, of my heart,

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how I perceive that being or feeling of God was when I swam, I would swim laps, like I

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would try to get up to a mile of swimming laps or down in the ocean, going in the water

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in the waves.

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And that's the feeling of completeness.

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You are completely who you are in the moment of who you are and there's no question that

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you have where you doubt anything.

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I hope that is a little bit of an explanation of bliss.

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One more question now.

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You talked about this woman in white outside the car.

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You've had a long time to think about this.

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Who do you think she was?

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We will refer her to an angel, a messenger.

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She was not anyone that I would physically say I knew that person.

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Oh, that reminded me of so and so.

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It was a woman that appeared to be in her, well, I was 19, so she was like old, right?

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She was probably in her 40s to me.

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She was a mature woman, but not an elderly woman, not a crone or a senior.

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And she just felt very calm.

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And I believe that that was the greatest feeling that I got from her.

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She was calm.

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It calmed me down having her stand there.

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Instead of being in a place of panic, you have to understand I was bleeding profusely

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from my head, my head and my face.

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There was blood all over my coat, as a matter of fact, I said to the officer, and I remember

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this, and he brought it up when he called me later.

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He said, that was so funny that you kept saying, oh my God, I'm ruining my coat.

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And I was like, oh my God, this is a new coat.

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There's blood everywhere.

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The woman gave me the feeling of calmness when she said, it's okay.

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You'll be okay.

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That's what I felt from her.

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You're calm.

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It's okay.

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So who was the first person that you told about this?

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And how did it go?

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Wow, the first person.

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It had to, yeah.

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I didn't really talk about it in depth like we are.

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I just said at one time, I did not have a good relationship with my father.

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Nobody had a very good relationship with my father.

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And there came a time where he had quadruple heart surgery and he was really sick.

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And I was the only one in the family that went up to see him in the hospital.

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And we started talking.

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And I told him that in a very short way, you know, daddy, I think that I might have died.

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And I think I might have went to the other side or someplace.

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I said, heaven, because we didn't call it the other side then.

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I said, I might have went to heaven.

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I didn't go into detail, but he became interested when he came out of the hospital.

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It was later in 1970s and about 1978, 1979, Dr. Moody came out with a book, Life After

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Life.

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This is the first coming out book.

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And he was a well respected doctor as such.

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And this book really put him out, not a great light within his profession.

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But my father gave me that book.

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Now, remember, I'm not close to this man.

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I'm afraid of him, actually.

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But I revealed something to him and he supported it.

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He supported it this way by giving me this book to read.

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Then I did not speak about it to really anybody until the early 1980s when I began to share

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some of my knowledge and what had been produced by this near death experience.

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I had a particularly unexpected career and I began to share that in classes that I was

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giving.

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Again, I never went into detail.

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I skirted around it.

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Remember, I still didn't want to be seen like a nut, right?

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And so that's how I talked about it, rather than personal relationships.

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Other than my father, I began to talk about it more to students, my students that were

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there.

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And to friends, I didn't share it with the family very easy at all.

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Okay.

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So how has your life changed since all this?

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I mean, well, it's been 50 plus years now.

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And I don't know, maybe how do you think your life would have been different without it

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versus what it's been like since?

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You have to remember, I was a product of the 1960s.

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You know, wild into everything curious about what I could achieve through ultra state of

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consciousness growing up in San Francisco.

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I was on a wild track and pretty crazy.

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And that went on for, even after my near death experience, that went on for quite a while.

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I believe I've been told, people have said that I'm pretty bold and I speak out.

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I speak my mind.

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I've learned not to speak it so much anymore in my old age.

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And I did not want to go downtown.

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When we got out of high school, my father has said, the women don't go to college, just

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get a job till you get a husband.

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You know, you were going to get married, have kids.

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So at 18, I went downtown to work in a bank.

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And I knew from day one, when I got on that bus, they went to go to this new job.

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I said, I'm not going to do this.

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I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm not going to do this.

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Everybody fall out of sleep looking miserable.

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So I signed up for truck driving, log distance truck driving, a course.

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So just before this accident, I wanted to be a truck driver and get away and get on the

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road.

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And then after my accident in healing, as I said, physically, emotionally, having to

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heal, I had to stay home.

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It was very devastating for a young 19, 20 year old woman to wake up and have really

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noticeable scars all over her face and the reaction from people.

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So I would say that I began to more or less hide out.

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And in that hiding out, I became curious because before the accident, I had gone with

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a group of girlfriends for a card read, you know, just a playing card fortune telling.

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And the woman had predicted this.

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And she predicted it rather with a good description.

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There'll be two men.

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It'll be a difficult time.

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They'll have an accident.

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And this is say about less than six months before the accident, about six months maybe.

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And so I bought a book and I became curious.

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So not my, my personality is I am an extrovert.

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I enjoy being around most people, not big crowds, but people.

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And as I withdrew, I began to educate myself to out of my curiosity to study, how could

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this woman have done that and known that?

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How it changed my life.

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It opened a door where I became, became curious in the metaphysics and the occult.

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I wanted to know more about paranormal.

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I wanted to know why would I see people that are already dead.

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So that was where my curiosity led me to study through classes, through going to things like

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the unity church where they would have unusual people talking about unusual things.

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That's how my life began to change in a slow, like hidden way.

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If you remember, I said I was brought up rather religious.

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We did not talk about this kind of information.

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Though my mother used to read tea leaves for us, but we were told not to talk to the nuns

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at school about it.

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We weren't supposed to talk about it outside the family.

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She said she only did it for fun.

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So you just mentioned that you see dead people.

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Let's go down that road.

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Tell us about that.

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And did this only start after the NDE?

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Yes.

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It only started after the NDE.

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And it happened, let me say, how old was I?

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So, 1973.

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You have to go back in history and figure ages out.

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Probably around 1973, 1974.

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I left a really bad relationship and I was living with a sister.

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I had met a young man during one of my, I got on the train one day and I decided that

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I would run away from home about 74.

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And I went up to Oregon.

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I met a young man and really liked him and his family.

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He took me home.

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It's just me, his family.

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I got a phone call that he had passed on.

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He had committed suicide is what he did.

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And I saw, he came to me.

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Now I'm not going to say that this was pleasant.

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It was not a pleasant experience at all.

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It scared the bejeevis out of me and he showed up to talk to me.

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During that time, my grandparents on the other side also came to me one day when I was cleaning

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out the bathtub.

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You know, it's almost like you take your mind off of something and then something occurs.

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And both experiences were unanswered on question.

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I didn't know what was going on.

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I called my mother and I said to her, Granny and Granda came to me.

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They were holding hands.

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I didn't want to tell her I saw them before.

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After all, remember I'm keeping this quiet.

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And she said, thank you very much.

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She was very close to her parents.

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I mean, just the adored child, the youngest, the only girl.

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And she said, thank you because I was so worried that they weren't together.

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So I answered that, you know, that she did not mock me or doubt me.

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She actually accepted what I had to say.

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After that, I was in denial of being in touch with those who had passed on.

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I didn't want any part of it.

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It wasn't like I went, hallelujah, I see dead people.

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I'm like, stay away from me.

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I'm not interested.

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And I began to know things about people.

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I followed more of a different path than saying being a medium.

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In the 1980s, there was, by then I was still able to see spirits around people, but I never

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brought it up.

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I didn't tell anybody this.

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And in the 1980s, I had read for a woman and she said, oh, I refer people to you.

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I told them that you're a wonderful medium because I had given her some information.

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I actually got angry at her because I did not want people to know that this is something

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I could do.

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Why is that?

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That's really weird.

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In my mind at that time, that's really weird.

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So I began again to educate myself.

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By that time in the barrier, there was a psychic and author named Betty Brithard.

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And she wrote dream books and she wrote other books on metaphysical, parapsychology, paranormal

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information.

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She was very well respected, very well known in the Bay Area.

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I went to some of her lectures.

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I shared with her that.

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And she said, you have to have an opportunity to meet her while you're about the book.

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And I said, I don't know what to do with this.

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And she said, this is a gift that you will want to share with others.

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And do it as you feel comfortable doing it.

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And so I came out of the closet a little more, very carefully, step by step.

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I guess it was an ego thing.

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You as my other part of unexpected career, I became what is known as a psychic reader.

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And I wanted people to respect it because I was being told by even some family members,

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not so much my sisters, the males, that I was working for the devil and I was a phone.

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People were calling me phony and a charlatan and a con.

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And I wanted respect.

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So I didn't want people to think that I was talking to dead people on top of having insights

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into people.

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Yeah, it's kind of a lot, I guess.

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So what sort of advice do you have for people who don't know if they believe in an afterlife

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or not?

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Just people, I think it's a normal human thing to be afraid of death.

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What do you have to say to them?

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Well, I'm very respectful of other people's thoughts.

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I don't try to convince people to anything.

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It is something that you either just know, you just know it for some reason, you just

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believe in it.

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Maybe you learned it as a child in religion and you decided, oh yeah, I'm going to go

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down that path.

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However, if you're not in a religion and you're out in nature, you understand that nothing

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really comes to an end.

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No sooner have the leaves dropped, you give it a few months and the blossoms begin again,

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that life is a cycle, maybe you're philosophical and you understand that.

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And if you do not believe in it, too bad.

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You'll find out one or another.

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I would say, I'm going to be really pissed if I died and I'm all burned into ashes and

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I'm like, okay, where's heaven?

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For the most part, do people have anything to fear in the afterlife?

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Well, I have read and very few people have said to me, well, I died once again, so it

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was really black and it was terrible and I was afraid.

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I think that there can be people that experience that for various reasons.

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It can be, when I was going to school, we learned that the soul resided in the heart.

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And if you did whatever particular sin, venial or mortal sin, that the soul blackened.

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So perhaps you lived a life where your soul blackened and there was only darkness in you,

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that you were not a person that cared of other people or you did injuries to others, you

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were against society and did not, for humanity, good purposes.

482
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:09,240
They perhaps will experience the darkness on the other side.

483
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,000
I can't speak for all people and I have never said I can.

484
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,960
I think that there are people who, from what I've read and a few that I've spoke with,

485
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:25,000
they did not have good experiences on the other side.

486
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,400
Maybe they could start to live a cleaner life.

487
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,760
There are a few things that I'm finding in common in doing these interviews with people

488
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,960
that have had NDEs.

489
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,720
One is that every experience is different in some way.

490
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,680
There are a lot of commonalities too.

491
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,760
And one of them seems to be, hey, I'm not afraid of death anymore.

492
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:53,440
Are you saying that people that are not living a good life that are going against all the

493
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,280
norms of society, all the moralities of people, they should be afraid of it?

494
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,520
Oh, I don't know.

495
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,000
I don't think that they even probably care.

496
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:10,200
You see later in life, some people that have abused humanity for their own gain, if they

497
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,440
get a chance to live to their older, they have a chance to give some of their money to charity.

498
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:22,960
Or say, well, okay, now I see I did this, maybe I can make some amends.

499
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:29,880
Like, oh, I better hedge my bets here just in case there is another life.

500
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,280
And there's some that just don't care.

501
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120
So I don't think they should be afraid.

502
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:42,480
I think that at some point, perhaps they could be more aware and conscious that to give another

503
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,560
person an opportunity to share what we have in a positive way.

504
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,280
And that doesn't have to be a material thing, by the way.

505
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,200
That could be something to where you see a person down on their luck.

506
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,400
And you say good morning to them.

507
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,520
You say, hello.

508
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,800
Those are good values to have in life that you actually care about people.

509
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,520
It doesn't live a life where they are very into their self.

510
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,400
Nowadays, we hear all the word narcissistic people.

511
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,080
It's a new thing everybody's learning.

512
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:23,680
And if you think you are that way, will you ever really be aware that if there is an afterlife,

513
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,680
what will it be like for you?

514
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,760
I guess if you're narcissistic, it'll revolve around you and be whatever you want it to

515
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,760
be.

516
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,760
Exactly.

517
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,240
I hope that doesn't sound too terribly rude.

518
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,720
Tell me about your books.

519
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Okay.

520
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,160
I have two novels and two non-fictions.

521
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,120
My first book was written because I was asked.

522
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,360
I was asked to write all of them.

523
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:54,080
My first one was how to go and find a reasonable psychic reader and medium.

524
00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:00,800
And how could you use a psychic reading really to evolve somewhat where the NDE does, it

525
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:08,360
gives you an opportunity to evolve to a greater sense of who am I and why am I here?

526
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,040
What is my purpose?

527
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:18,240
That's what majority of people that I have experienced either through lectures or reading

528
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,000
have a greater purpose in their life once they return to planet Earth.

529
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,120
So the book does go into how do you ask questions to get the most out of a reading and like

530
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,120
that.

531
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,160
It's just put together in my garage, you know, with friends helping me.

532
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,480
It was just a nice little book.

533
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,560
But it set me on a course.

534
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,080
The next two books were novels.

535
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,320
I thoroughly enjoyed writing.

536
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:48,760
And then my last book is based upon my experience as a medium and working with the police on

537
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,480
murder cases.

538
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,280
I answer a lot of questions.

539
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,840
My first chapter is actually questions from the curious living.

540
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,040
A reviewer of my book said, I don't know what I'm doing because you never put questions

541
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,360
in the beginning of the book.

542
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,880
You put them at the end.

543
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,840
And I thought, well, I want to answer people's questions.

544
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,480
I don't want to make it all about me.

545
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,480
What do you want?

546
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,640
You know, are you as curious as I am?

547
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:20,360
And then I tell him, I let people know how to experience communication with spirits either

548
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:26,280
through a medium, through a seance, through a group, like, you know, some psychics that

549
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:34,160
do groups, and it's called gallery reading, or solo, which I really encourage and promote

550
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,520
the most.

551
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,600
You can do it yourself.

552
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,920
You really can.

553
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,400
And here's ways you can do it.

554
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:49,440
The thing that happens here, if I may go on a little bit, the thing that happens here

555
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,760
is that we are so engulfed with grief.

556
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,120
It is very difficult to either believe we are in communication for our loved one that

557
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,680
passed on, or to hear the message of our loved one that passed on.

558
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,640
These are two things to really hear it.

559
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,480
For instance, I don't have much patience.

560
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,320
I know I'm learning.

561
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,320
I'm old now.

562
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,320
I'm starting to learn.

563
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,320
I got grandkids.

564
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,320
I'm not patient.

565
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,960
So, I was not patient so much with my mother, and I call it the long goodbye.

566
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,560
She was, that took a time to die.

567
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,880
I would get impatient with her.

568
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:34,480
And so, I was just re-repecked with guilt when she passed, like, oh my God, you know,

569
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:40,040
what a horrible daughter I was to her, because I was kind of her primary care in the way

570
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,160
I was legally her primary care.

571
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,680
And she would come to me and she'd say, June, thank you so much for everything you did.

572
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,680
I could not believe it.

573
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,200
I was like, oh no, I'm a terrible daughter.

574
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,200
I was impatient.

575
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,400
I'd say, come on, mom, stop that.

576
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Take your medicine, things like that.

577
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,760
So I went for a medium reading to someone that I respect.

578
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,000
And the first thing she says is, your mother wants to tell you to stop telling her that

579
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,960
you were terrible, which she's trying to tell you, thank you for all you did for me.

580
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:18,960
So even me, a medium who's in this, needed to go to somebody else because my emotional

581
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:25,200
state did not allow me the freedom to really live in, to really hear it in an objective

582
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,200
way.

583
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,080
Does that make sense to you?

584
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,800
Yeah, that's really interesting.

585
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,200
I'm curious, and before we end here, maybe just one last thing.

586
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,240
If you could tell us one of the interesting experiences that you had as being a medium

587
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,160
in criminal cases.

588
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,880
I'm going to tell you right now, as much as people are interested in it, it is not a

589
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,520
nice experience.

590
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:56,760
You are actually speaking to somebody who violently died, were terribly afraid, murdered.

591
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:03,840
And I worked with the woman that was murdered, eventually we found out, was a long-time client.

592
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,280
Now that, excuse me, she had only come to me a few times for readings.

593
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,960
It was her sister-in-law that was a long-time client.

594
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,000
Well, the woman didn't come home from work, and she had two young children.

595
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000
She worked at a hospital.

596
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,800
She always came home.

597
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,520
And I answered my phone.

598
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,520
I don't know why.

599
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,440
On those days, you didn't much answer your phone after nine o'clock.

600
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,440
And I answered it.

601
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,440
Yeah, that was late.

602
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Yeah, yeah.

603
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,960
Don't call anybody after nine o'clock.

604
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,440
Certainly not 10 o'clock.

605
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,160
And it was after nine o'clock, and I picked up the phone.

606
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,560
It was my client.

607
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,360
She said, I really, I need to talk to you, blah, blah, blah.

608
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,680
So I said, well, come over to the house.

609
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,240
And I had a young son.

610
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:41,240
It was late.

611
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:42,240
It was after 10.

612
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,160
And I gave her, I actually drew a picture.

613
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,800
I, because remember, I told you I draw.

614
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,640
I'm a fun artist.

615
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,800
I draw for myself.

616
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,560
I drew a picture of the man that she was with.

617
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Well, it turns out that was the, it eventually, I worked with the DA, and I worked with the

618
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,520
homicide detective later.

619
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,520
That's really not pleasant.

620
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,000
The DA was fine.

621
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,600
The homicide detective was hard.

622
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:16,640
And it turned out that the picture I drew actually was totally a picture of the murderer.

623
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,800
Even I thought that was pretty good.

624
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,800
I was like, oh, wow.

625
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,160
And I went through the whole process.

626
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,040
When the detective came to get me, I named the name of the street in a small town down

627
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,040
the coast.

628
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,040
Talk about Happen Bay.

629
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,600
This was a town in between down the coast.

630
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,560
And I actually gave the name of the street and directed the DA and the detective came

631
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,920
and picked me up.

632
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,920
One of my older, my elder sister came with me because I was really rattled.

633
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,360
I sat in the back of the car and I pointed to where we were going and where this murderer

634
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,600
had taken this woman.

635
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,320
And there was proof of this.

636
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,320
It came out later.

637
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,680
There was a lot of proof that everywhere we went and what I said was absolutely right

638
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,680
on.

639
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,360
That's because the woman that was murdered was showing up and telling me this.

640
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,360
And it was uncomfortable.

641
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,880
I mean, couldn't she come in the daytime?

642
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,880
Oh, no.

643
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,960
She had to come when I fell asleep and wake me up.

644
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,040
So I was getting like, please, would you stop waking me up?

645
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,400
I got to get up in the morning.

646
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,320
I got a kid here.

647
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,720
Even my son, who was only like three and a half, four, he got information and I actually

648
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:24,720
recorded him.

649
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:25,720
And I didn't keep the tape.

650
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:28,800
I remember cassette tapes in those days.

651
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,960
And he gave me information.

652
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,160
I have to tell you something.

653
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,120
I know your audience will probably think I'm terrible.

654
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,600
I took credit for some of the information because I didn't want them talking to my little

655
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,840
son.

656
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,920
And it turns out that it was actually really good proof.

657
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,920
They actually got witnesses from what my son told me.

658
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,800
And it was very sad.

659
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,280
Eventually he went to trial.

660
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,800
They did put him away.

661
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,160
In the last few years, he did get out.

662
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,200
He finally was paroled.

663
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,200
And it was a terrible death for her.

664
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,000
She was beaten to death and kicked.

665
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,440
It was a terrible death.

666
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,360
And I actually, when we went to the one spot where I knew he took her and nobody was around,

667
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,760
it was by the ocean, by the way.

668
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,280
And I got out of the car and I fell to my knees.

669
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,240
Now this is the time I had a skirt on in Nylons.

670
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,640
I remember women's store where Nylons.

671
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,400
I don't know if they do anymore.

672
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,600
And I fell down on the ground, on the gravel and was crawling away.

673
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,560
I became her.

674
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,040
And he was kicking her in her butt and her butt kicking her along.

675
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,000
Oh, it was just terrible.

676
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,680
I did not know because they didn't tell everybody anything.

677
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,280
The police have to keep stuff.

678
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:46,000
She had bruises of a boot, bruises all over her butt and her back.

679
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,360
Big size bruises.

680
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,360
I didn't know that.

681
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,360
Nobody knew it.

682
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,360
They kept that to themselves.

683
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,160
Yeah, that would be so difficult to do that kind of work.

684
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,600
Oh, I was hysterical.

685
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,160
My sister had to help me up.

686
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,520
The detective in the DA, she said, were standing there with their mouth open.

687
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,520
They were just like, and she helped me up.

688
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,160
And then on the way back, I was living in San Francisco.

689
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,960
You know, that's where I grew up.

690
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,800
And I was living in San Francisco and I gave them another piece of information that they

691
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,600
never, never gave out.

692
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,160
The detective was so stunned.

693
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,760
He had to pull off the road and park the car.

694
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,760
And he said, how do you know that?

695
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,040
I said, well, why are you here?

696
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,360
Why are you asking me?

697
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,240
Because remember, he's a detective.

698
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,320
He's like, can I really believe this nut?

699
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,320
And the DA was really happy because it helped build his case.

700
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:44,920
Well, I assume that the detective in the DA also, they're thinking, OK, I can't use this

701
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:51,320
in court, but if it leads me to something quote, tangible that I can use in court, then

702
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,320
that's OK.

703
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,320
Exactly.

704
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,320
That's exactly it.

705
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,840
You have to be reasonable and logical.

706
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:04,600
And I believe as a medium, or a, well, I retired now, but also as a psychic reader, I said

707
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,920
to people, we have to be reasonable and logical with information in order that you can use

708
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,960
it to better yourself and your life.

709
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:19,280
I did not like the woo woo woo, you know, you're something, you know, I wanted, how

710
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,520
can you use this information to bring peace to yourself, peace to others, or even better

711
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,320
your life by the actions you take?

712
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,880
That was really what I valued.

713
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,320
And that's what I did.

714
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,680
OK, June, thank you so much for your time.

715
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,120
It's been a pleasure.

716
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,000
Thank you.

717
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:42,680
If you have had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear about it.

718
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Send an email to Eric at roundtripdeath.com.

719
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,760
And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting, if it's given you just a little

720
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,960
more hope in the future, share it with a friend, hit that follow button, and take a few seconds

721
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,760
to write us a review.

722
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,520
Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the

723
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:19,000
next.