"Violently Thrown Back Into My Body," Terrence's NDE

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From the time that they pronounced me dead was

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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped and

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I could see people screaming and crying but I

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didn't realize that was actually my physical

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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing

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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute

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love and peace there wasn't anything else to

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be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in

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the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe

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and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip

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Death, everybody. And hey, we have a cool guest

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today, Terrence Sheehan. Yeah, Sheehan, S -H

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-E -E -H -A -N. Terrence Sheehan coming to us

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all the way from Michigan in the United States.

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And Terrence, how you doing today? Doing well.

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Glad to be here. Good. Well... Wow, you had a

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dramatic car crash we're going to be talking

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about in just a minute, and an NDE, and before

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we jump into that, who is Terrence? Let our audience

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get to know you a little bit. Music's been a

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big part of my life. I went to Full Sail in 1992

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and graduated in 1993 with an audiovisual degree.

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Music and technology has been a big part of my

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life. So during the early 90s through the 90s

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to about 2000, I did recording for bands and

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things like that. And then as that kind of dried

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up, as people started to go to the home recording

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studios, I went into more of a website based

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business and did SEO. And so my business now

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is I'm an SEO consultant for Google. I also do

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multimedia productions for businesses and things

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like that. But I still have the music going always

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on the side. Okay, just in case people want it

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want to reach out to you whether it's for that

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or anything else If you don't mind we'll stick

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a link in the show notes later on so people can

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reach out to you, but Let's jump into it. Let's

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go back a few years. Well about 20 years. You

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know Tell me what led up to this tragic day where

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you had this horrific accident Okay, so just

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a little of that day, which was June 16th 2004

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I was just recently separated from my wife at

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the time and I had just gone to Davison, which

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is about 20 miles from Grand Blanc to pick up

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my son to bring him over for the weekend. And

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we were, it was a bright sunny day and we were

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on a road called McCandlish Road in Grand Blanc,

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which is, it's got hills up and down the road

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and it's a 55 mile an hour two lane road, a rural

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road that is paved. We were coming towards Grand

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Blanc towards our place. I came over a hill and

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there was a Lowe's truck parked on the side of

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the road, the opposite side. unloading furniture

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and the view was kind of obscured and the truck

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was partially in the road so it had I assume

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it had its you know little adult warning thing

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up in behind it so it was partially though in

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the other lane of traffic. Well when we came

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over the hill there was the truck there and out

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of the blue I mean I was going 55 miles an hour

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a full -size Yukon and we were in a two -door

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Saturn coupe I'll just add an SC2 Saturn so it

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was a two -door car and a full -size Yukon Apparently

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she lost her attention span or whatever and crossed

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across the center line and I maybe had one second

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of braking and then we hit full impact 55 miles

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an hour each way. the car did a 360 in the air

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from what the witnesses said and my son was in

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the car with me so you know it was a day I'll

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never forget. At the time of the accident when

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I came to and we'll get through whatever questions

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you want to know about that but I didn't even

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know he was in the car once I finally came came

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to in the car you know when I finally came back

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to my senses which I wouldn't call my senses

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I was not for a serious loop obviously from that

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impact and lucky to be here so every day is a

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blessing from there. That was one of the things

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actually that caught my attention in the email

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that you sent me was that you had a two -year

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-old son in the car Yeah, and after your experience

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and you're kind of waking up. It's almost like

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a computer reset I think when our brains have

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to figure out what's going on. What did your

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two -year -old say to you? Okay, so here's how

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it went you know from my recollection so like

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I remember I remember maybe having one second

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to break and and I the car was on me you know

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it just out of nowhere was there it was and what

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happened was is all of a sudden I just I remember

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a white flash I know you hear this a lot but

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there was a white flash of light at that point

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now I've since come to understand what actually

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happened but as I mentioned to you in our conversation

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I had a perspective of being over the vehicle

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Sort of like a drone view, but I could see down

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on the accident I could see my car kind of in

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the middle of the road people kind of milling

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around I could see that the Yukon was in the

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ditch I could see people that were looking but

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not really getting too close because you know

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It was a fresh accident the next thing that I

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actually remember after that. I've mentioned

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this to many people It's like I was out of body

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experience there and then the next thing I remember,

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you know in this process is I was violently thrown

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back into my body. It wasn't like, you know,

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I came to in the car and I was just there. My

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soul was out of body was like thrown back into

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my body. It was like a violent experience. I

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mean, that's how I remember it. So after that

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happened, I came to and it gets me kind of worked

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up just thinking about this, but I came to in

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the car and I didn't know where I was. I had

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no idea or any idea what was going on. I just

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thought maybe I was in a dream. You know, that's

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kind of how it felt to me. As I started to realize

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I wasn't in a dream I could see there was smoke,

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milling around in the cabin of the car. And I

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realized I was in a car accident or in a car

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that was smoking and I didn't know how I got

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there or anything at that point. So I immediately

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panicked because it seemed like maybe a fire

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was on in it. And so for God knows why I was

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able to get my car door open. It's still even

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after that huge impact that I was able to get

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my door open on my driver's side. I tried to

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get out but I didn't realize all my ribs are

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broken, both my hands are broken, my hip was

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shattered, all my ribs, closed head injury. I

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was able to try to get out of the car but since

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my hip was shattered I couldn't stand up or anything

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so I fell out with my legs still in the car onto

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the pavement. Once I got the door open I fell

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butt first onto the pavement with my legs still

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in the car. this is where it gets really crazy

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is I was on the ground you know kind of coming

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to and I could see people are in the in the vicinity

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you know looking around and I realized that you

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know I was at that point I finally put two and

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two together I was in a car accident from the

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backseat I heard and my son was too I heard daddy

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are you all right and I was like what is that

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and you know and then again he said it daddy

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are you all right so It was a two -door coupe

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so I looked behind the seat and I could see he

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was in his baby seat and his whole face was full

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of blood and he was asking me if I was alright.

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So that put me into another panic because I realized

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he was in the car and the car was smoking like

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I said so I was already very fearful about a

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fire and there was a guy that I said was a bystander

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standing maybe 20 yards from me looking right

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at me and I said please help me get my son out

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of the car there's going to be a fire. Please

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help me get him out of the car. But you know

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how people are. They're hesitant to help. So

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he didn't initially. And then I really forcefully

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somehow connected with him spiritually. And I

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said, please help me get my son out of the car.

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You know, it's going to be a fire. I need to

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get him out. So he came over and got my son out

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of the car. And as soon as Gavin is my son's

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name, as soon as he got out of the car, I passed

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out. As soon as I knew he was safe out of the

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car, I just, all everything, the trauma hit me

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at that point. At that point, I don't remember

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a lot about the scene other than I know they

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showed up and the paramedics were working on

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me and got us in the ambulance and all that.

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And Gavin rode in the ambulance and one of the

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paramedics held him. For that time between the

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time that they got me prepared to get in the

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ambulance and then we started to go to the hospital,

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there's kind of a blackout period there. And

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then I wake up in the ambulance and I realize

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we're on the way to the hospital. I have asthma.

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All my ribs were broken and it just felt like

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mush in my chest. So I was pretty sure I wasn't

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going to make it. You know, I was just, they

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were asking me questions and things. And Gavin

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was really traumatized by just seeing me injured.

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The fact that he didn't sustain major, huge injuries

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is, I have no idea how, you know, we had a great

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baby seat, but I have no idea how he ended up

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being able to get out of the hospital later that

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same day. He just had a broken lip where his

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teeth went through his lip and they were able

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to stitch that back up. But I wasn't so fortunate.

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Well, yeah, I was just going to ask you about

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the injuries to your son. That's yeah, those

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child seats are awesome. And that's fantastic

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that he wasn't hurt worse. It's a total miracle

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without a doubt. I mean, I have a picture that

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I don't know if you can see on the screen there.

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There's the there's the car. you know, after

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the accident. But I have some other pictures

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I can share with you later. Yeah, it's a total

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miracle. And if anything would have happened

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to him, he's my only son. So I don't know what

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my life would have become if something had happened

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to him. But just the experience of having him

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say, daddy, are you all right? Now we're talking

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about a two -year -old. He was about to be three.

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His birthday is June 28th. So he was just about

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to be three years old. He was born in 2001. And

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I can't imagine how helpless of a feeling that

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must have been when you're barely conscious,

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you can't stand up. So there's no way you can

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help your own child. And thankfully, someone

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was willing to respond and help out. Exactly

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and the thing that they say about the spirit

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being able to connect now i know no one really

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wants to get involved in an accident scene but

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the person that i don't even know the guy is

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if i could ever thank him you know i would love

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to i don't know who is maybe someday reach out

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to see the show or something spirit to spirit

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i was able to connect with them and get him to

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do what i need done. Alright let's get to the

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point of this show which is the near -death experience

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part which. You talked about coming out of your

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body. Did you have any kind of feeling for time,

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like how long you think you were above looking

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down on the scene? Not really, except it probably

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wasn't a super long time because I have just

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this vision of the exact scene. I had enough

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time to look around and know that where I was,

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I knew the location. I knew my car, you know,

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so I would say it was a short period of time.

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I wouldn't say it was a tremendously long period

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of time, probably under a minute or 10, you know,

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in 10 to 30 seconds, maybe just enough to get

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an idea visually of that. I was not in the car

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and that my that I was above it. Sort of like

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I mentioned to you, like a drone view, but I

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saw it completely clearly and I could tell it,

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you know. That was my car and I could see the

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Yukon in the ditch and like I said, some of it

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seemed like a dream, but you know, that part

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is distinctly in my mind as far as a memory of

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seeing down on the accident. And the next thing

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I remember, like I mentioned to you earlier,

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was just like violently being thrown back into

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my body. Although, you know, I can't say that

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I was aware of what was going on, but I just

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remember. I just remember that feeling of like,

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it's almost like a second car accident when I

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feel like my soul came back into my body. It

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was like, it was not a gentle thing. It was very

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powerful. And it was like, I don't know if there

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was a message being sent by, you know, the maker

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above. I'm spiritual. I'm not hugely religious,

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but I feel like maybe I could have left this

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world, but maybe I wasn't done doing whatever

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I had to do. And also that maybe when I was throwing

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back my body, I was he was letting me know that

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maybe I hadn't lived correctly up to that point

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and that I had something else that I needed to

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do, which I've always contemplated might have

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been, you know, raising my son or, you know,

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the things I've done for people or music or whatever

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my life has went. But from that day forward and

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that moment forward, I've always felt like I

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was almost like a different person. That's that's

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cool. We'll talk about those changes in just

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a second. I want to stick with this being put

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back in your body for just a second. I don't

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know if you've studied many near -death experiences,

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but... I have not. It's a fairly typical thing

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for that to be sort of like you explained. The

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term that I hear the most is I was slammed back

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into my body. That is very accurate. That is

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very, very accurate. That is very typical. So

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I don't think I would interpret that as something

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from God saying, boom, I'm going to make this

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uncomfortable for you. I think that's a normal

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way of coming back into the body. It seems to

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be much softer and nicer coming out if people

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even remember the coming out part. I haven't

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really studied a lot in your death experiences.

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I'll be honest with you, I'm very interested

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to do so. And I would look forward to hearing

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your episodes and your show. It's very interesting.

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My sister mentioned it to me. And I just didn't

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wanna look at it beforehand, but I haven't really

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studied it, but I have watched some shows on

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Netflix and things regarding that. I don't know,

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there's a couple shows on there that deal with

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that topic. I've watched some of those. Yeah,

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I mean, I think the way you described it is perfect.

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It was a, I would almost call it violent. Like,

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slammed is a great way to describe it. Yeah,

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just the term that I hear the most. While you

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were out of your body, Did you feel like you

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were dead? Did you feel pain? What did you feel?

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I didn't feel any pain or anything at that time.

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I always describe it as a light. I lost my wife

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to cancer about five or six years ago now. She

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always asked me before she passed, what did I

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remember? Because I actually feel like I died

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for a period of time. The experience makes me

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think that I did. What was your exact question?

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Just so you answer it correctly again. Well,

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just how did you feel out of body? Did it feel

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normal? Did you feel pain? I didn't feel pain.

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I felt like light, luminous, like a luminous

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presence, no pain, like I was in the light, like,

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or I was the light. it felt like I was obviously

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I was a flying in a sense and so my soul was

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light I don't recall any pain at the at all about

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it was more or less just like an observation

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nothing about that was any pain or any knowledge

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even that I was that I was in a car accident

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other than I was looking at it I don't know that

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I'd even put it together at that point, but it

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wasn't a very long time, but the way I always

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describe that part of it was I've always kind

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of experienced this, through this experience,

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felt like there's something about it that has

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to do with light, if that makes any sense, you

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know? Like a luminous presence where maybe the

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soul is out of body, maybe it doesn't require

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a body. I felt free. I can't say there was any

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pain that I recall at all about it. Did you feel

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like you were looking down on the accident itself

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or after that? You know that's been asked to

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me and and I don't know that and that's a tough

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question to answer you know when did I realize

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that that had happened obviously that happened

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and I remember it okay so I'm assuming that it

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happened before I came to in the car and I remember

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being slammed back into my body as you described

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it I started coming to after that these things

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happen before I started to real come to in the

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car as it is in my memory, right? Now, my mom

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asked me that because I was mentioning I was

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going to be on the show and she said, well, do

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you remember it before or after? And I can only

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assume it's before. I mean, then I'm remembering

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what happened before, but it was definitely in

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my memory after, you know, when I finally came

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to in the car, I didn't know where I was because

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I had a closed head injury. I didn't really know

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where I was until I think the time when I finally

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realized where I was was when I was out on the

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cement. Like I said, after I realized I couldn't

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walk and I saw the blood everywhere and I knew

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I started to figure it out. You know, I could

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see my car was crushed. But I mean, it was it

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was such a violent accident that I was I can't

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say that I really was pulling any kind of memories

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together at that point. Well, I don't think you

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have to have the kind of near death experience

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where you travel. off to some kind of heavenly

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place to have profound changes in your life.

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And I know you mentioned to me that your life

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really changed after this. Let's talk about that

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for a minute. The way that it originally changed

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was, and this is a kind of cool experience, because

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I played in a band with a guy named Randy Frunch

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as a friend of mine. And we played in high school

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back in the late 80s, mid 80s, after the car

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accident, which First of all, I went to the hospital

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and they couldn't fix me at the grand blank,

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so they had to send me to Beaumont down in Detroit

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because the surgeons couldn't do the repair to

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my hip and the injuries I had were so horrific.

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My friend, after I was recovering at home and

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I got back home, he came over and he had been

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in a similar near -death experience. He had his

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back broken at work and he ended up getting pneumonia

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at his house. So he had a near -death experience

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as well. Now, I don't know how those two connect

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for his near -death experience story. other than

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the fact that he had one. He had a similar experience,

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and his was through pneumonia. He said when the

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paramedics came that once he got oxygen, he thought

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he was going to die, and then he got oxygen,

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and he said he was speaking in tongues is how

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he described it. He didn't know what he was saying,

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but he thought that he was speaking in some language

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that he didn't have a clue what it was. So he

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came and saw me afterwards, and we were musicians

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and played music together in band in the 80s.

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And we both just decided my parents had a place

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up in the empire michigan which is up by the

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sleeping bear dunes in michigan on the west coast

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and we said hey let's go up there both of us

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were messed up he had his back was broken he

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was in a turtle you know the turtle shell thing

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that they put around you when you have your back

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broken and i was so messed up with my hips shattered

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and we're like let's just go up there and my

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brother played drums he was already up there.

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And we were like, let's just go up there and

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have some fun and play some music. And that whole

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experience was like a two, we did two separate

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weekends and we went up and I was a recording

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engineer. So I had, you know, a Tascam M238 for

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people that are geeks out there that want to

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know about how we did it. But it was analog and

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I had that recorder in a road case and a CD recorder.

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We had no intentions of ever doing anything and

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putting it out, but. The first thing I noticed

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after the car accident in the hospital, my mom

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brought me a fan, which was like life -saving,

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because I couldn't believe how great it felt

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to have a fan. I was just so uncomfortable. And

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she also brought a clock radio. And as soon as

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I heard music after the car accident, once I

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was in the hospital, and I mean I was so messed

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up, she brought me just a little clock radio,

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and I mean it was tiny. But as soon as I heard

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music, and I tell everyone, it sounded like the

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music was coming out of the speakers like powdered

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sugar. I'd never heard anything like that i'm

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a musician i had a degree in audio recording

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engineering but nothing ever sounded like the

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way that i heard music. In the hospital was like

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literally maybe hearing it for the first time

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or hearing angels could be a way to describe

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it but just hearing the music in a way that i'd

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never heard it before that was the beginning

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of us starting this journey in the music. I didn't

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realize that anyway they were connected but so

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we ended up taking this trip down and empire

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and we recorded over the course of. two weekends

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and then we made a CD out of the tapes we made

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and we showed them to people and they're like,

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man, you guys should release this stuff. It's

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really good. We had no intentions of doing so,

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but when we were urged by our friends to do it,

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we finally ended up putting that stuff onto a

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CD. Our band was called Three Piece. It's all

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one word. It's T -H -R -E -E -P -E -A -C -E.

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So it's all one word. It's the number three and

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I'm peace altogether. And that's on Spotify and

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all those albums. We ended up doing seven albums

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together in the long run. But the connection

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of Big R, it's his name in the band and mine's

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Lefty, L -E -F -T -E -E, not the way you usually

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spell it, because that has to do with golf. You

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see these golf flags. That was my nickname in

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golf. But the thing is, music became this catalyst.

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And at the time, like I say, I was just coming

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out of this accident. I had no idea of how profound

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the music would be. Both of us We were like brothers

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back in the 80s. He's like my other brother.

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But the connection that we shared through this

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near -death experience and the music kind of

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set us off on this little journey, which it was

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dictating itself as it went along. I didn't really

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start to realize some of these things and these

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changes that happened to me until we got into

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doing these songs and the music. And then it

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kind of turned into a mission, which has nothing

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to do with anything I ever did before, which

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was like promoting the good ideas of the world

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and peace. Not something I would choose to do

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because in this day and age, as you know, with

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many pop artists and things that social critics

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aren't really embraced anymore. So we spoke out

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against things that we didn't think were right.

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It wasn't really political or religious, but

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we would just, if there was a song we felt needed

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to be addressed, we would sing it. But this first

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album, is kind of strange because as we moved

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on to the other music, the first one was more

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or less a venting of all of our troubles. As

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I look back on it, I mean, we sang about 9 -11,

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I sang about the fresh feelings of divorce. There

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was a lot of pain on that record and it was like

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a purging of that car accident. In fact, I think

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we mentioned the surgeons on the thanks for the

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record, you know, but music. ended up being this

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huge catalyst for this change that was about

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to happen in my life and I was already into music

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so I kind of wasn't even thinking that way but

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it just ended up being that this music gave us

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an avenue to express and excise the demons of

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our pain and of this near -death experience.

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We both shared a similar, you know, thing. I

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don't know exact details of how his near -death

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experience other than I know he had one. So the

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music was very healing it sounds like. Absolutely

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but you know until we got into doing it i already

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played i'm a drummer i play i couldn't play drums

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cuz my hip was shared but luckily my brother

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was drummer and so he played drums on those recordings

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and i played bass i had played bass in the band

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previously so at that time i couldn't play drum

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so i played bass and did some vocals. and played

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a little guitar on the record but i couldn't

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play drums so it just kind of happened we were

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all together as a band in the eighties and my

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brother played drums i played bass and randy

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played guitar and. Twenty years later here we

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are both of us completely messed up and we're

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back together and it felt like a reunion but

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it also felt like a new journey. That we were

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on but we did we didn't really realize that at

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the time when we were recording those first tracks

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we did it over two weekends like I said it was

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kind of like we were just putting it together

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and I was recording engineer so I was just making

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sure we got the stuff recorded because it was

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really for our own love of the music but that

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kind of set us on to a journey. Which it became

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something totally different like I say when I

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came back I started to realize that I probably

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wasn't the same person that I was previously

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is not. I'm just saying I didn't have as much

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concern for others and care about people. I was

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starting to understand that I had this mission

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to do, which was nothing to do with my personal

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vanity, but it was to give to others. And that's

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something I never thought about ever before.

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And it just felt like that wasn't me. And although

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I still have memories of everything that I did

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when I was younger, those memories weren't necessarily

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of a person that I really was proud of. This

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accident. and the music set us off on this direction,

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which was a thing of positivity. So this message,

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this mission of giving to others, how are you

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living that now? What kinds of things are you

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doing right now? Personally, I work from home.

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I do the SEO consulting, as we mentioned, and

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I'm an SEO, a Google consultant, and I still

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do the multimedia of films. But I work from home

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and I'm caregiver for my mom who has Parkinson's.

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And she's a quadriplegic with Parkinson's. She's

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nine years old. So she gave to me after the car

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accident and she's like the hugest reason that

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I made it through the car accident. And instead

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of putting her in a nursing home, a place for

00:24:49.069 --> 00:24:51.309
mom or wherever they people put their parents,

00:24:51.369 --> 00:24:54.589
I just felt like it's my duty. So this is something

00:24:54.589 --> 00:24:56.710
very important to me. And sometimes she feels

00:24:56.710 --> 00:24:59.170
like she's a burden and my dad passed of Alzheimer's.

00:24:59.170 --> 00:25:00.789
So for the last eight to 10 years, I've been

00:25:00.789 --> 00:25:03.930
caregiving for them. and working full time, but

00:25:03.930 --> 00:25:06.789
I'm glad to do it. It's not a burden to me. A

00:25:06.789 --> 00:25:08.910
lot of people feel that it probably would be,

00:25:08.970 --> 00:25:12.430
and maybe it does take, it is taxing, but I feel

00:25:12.430 --> 00:25:14.990
just absolutely fortunate. Every day is a bonus

00:25:14.990 --> 00:25:16.829
since the car accident. That's another thing

00:25:16.829 --> 00:25:18.869
that I probably should lay out right here. It's

00:25:18.869 --> 00:25:22.269
been 7 ,600 in some days. I usually check it

00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:24.690
every once in a while. Because every day is a

00:25:24.690 --> 00:25:27.230
bonus been for me and i'm not afraid of death

00:25:27.230 --> 00:25:29.369
anymore at all and i used to be like a worry

00:25:29.369 --> 00:25:31.390
war i used to my mom used to have this book this

00:25:31.390 --> 00:25:34.190
physician's desk reference and like everything

00:25:34.190 --> 00:25:36.750
in there like had a flow chart that led to your

00:25:36.750 --> 00:25:40.480
dying possibly I remember that great big book

00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.619
back in the pre -Google days, the PDR. It was

00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:46.660
about two inches thick. I think it was red even.

00:25:46.900 --> 00:25:49.740
It was red. That's it. Yeah, it was red and it

00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:52.279
had flow charts. You could easily look. I think

00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:53.880
what it was was a thing to get you to go to your

00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.420
doctor and make the doctor lots of money. But

00:25:56.420 --> 00:25:59.579
every single thing that I would look at, if I

00:25:59.579 --> 00:26:02.200
took the right flow chart, it led to, oh, you

00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:05.180
might be dying. So I had this super huge phobia

00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:07.720
of dying. But after the car accident, I have

00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.059
There's no fear of dying at all because there's

00:26:11.059 --> 00:26:14.000
nothing about that experience that was painful

00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.819
except the recovery afterwards. There's nothing

00:26:16.819 --> 00:26:19.400
like you were asking me, did I feel pain? No,

00:26:19.420 --> 00:26:21.359
there was no pain. The pain came after I came

00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.480
back. Every day since then has been a huge bonus

00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.480
spin and I always think twice about whether I'm

00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.319
doing something for myself or for others and

00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:33.349
I try to be unselfish and... in what I do. I'm

00:26:33.349 --> 00:26:35.730
not perfect, but I definitely am, I think, a

00:26:35.730 --> 00:26:37.890
better representation of who I want to be than

00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:40.829
what I was before. Yeah. One other little thing,

00:26:40.829 --> 00:26:43.450
and this may not be important at all, but I had

00:26:43.450 --> 00:26:45.750
it in my notes that you had mentioned this in

00:26:45.750 --> 00:26:49.990
your email, that taking a shower after this experience

00:26:49.990 --> 00:26:53.200
was... Completely different which you explain

00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:54.720
what in the world that means. Well, there was

00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.140
a couple Let me also tell you the both and once

00:26:57.140 --> 00:27:00.079
one's kind of funny so in the hospital I don't

00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:01.700
know everyone that's ever been in the hospital

00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:03.859
knows you've got like there's two different types

00:27:03.859 --> 00:27:06.259
of nurses. There's like the There's like the

00:27:06.259 --> 00:27:08.779
nurse ratchet tough one and then there's the

00:27:08.779 --> 00:27:11.119
loving ones and you get one or the other, you

00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.740
know, the story that starts out with with the

00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:16.819
nurse. OK, so the first time I came to and in

00:27:16.819 --> 00:27:19.039
the hospital I was OK. Well, she was really a

00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.160
pretty young nurse and I, you know, I was probably

00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.000
in my 30s or whatever and she came in and the

00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.680
other nurses were always were bothering me to

00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:28.480
like take tests and try to read things. And I

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.259
was just had a close head injury and I didn't

00:27:30.259 --> 00:27:32.099
want to like be read a book and have to take

00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:33.859
a test. Like that's what some of the things they

00:27:33.859 --> 00:27:35.130
were trying to figure out with my clothes and

00:27:35.130 --> 00:27:37.089
I was like I was rejecting all of that because

00:27:37.089 --> 00:27:39.049
I was literally that messed up that I couldn't

00:27:39.049 --> 00:27:41.470
even put my mind to that but she came in and

00:27:41.470 --> 00:27:44.630
she said water is medicine too and you know she

00:27:44.630 --> 00:27:46.809
had a sponge bath for me and I was like this

00:27:46.809 --> 00:27:50.809
is okay yeah that was good that was really really

00:27:50.809 --> 00:27:53.170
good then the part that I meant thing I mentioned

00:27:53.170 --> 00:27:55.849
to you so I already recognized that that like

00:27:55.849 --> 00:27:59.329
the water was healing okay but after I got home

00:27:59.329 --> 00:28:01.970
the time that I knew I really still didn't know

00:28:01.970 --> 00:28:04.140
if I was gonna make it through this thing But

00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:06.079
when I got, they finally released me from the

00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.160
hospital and I got home and I got the first shower

00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.160
and the water like rinsed all that grime off

00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.619
me and whatever was on my body from the surgeries

00:28:14.619 --> 00:28:16.980
and stuff. That was the first time I was like,

00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:18.720
okay, I'm going to make it through this thing.

00:28:18.779 --> 00:28:21.259
I mean, like the water was so healing. It was

00:28:21.259 --> 00:28:24.500
almost like a baptism of sorts. It was amazing

00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:28.059
that that stuck in my mind as like a point of

00:28:28.059 --> 00:28:30.039
like, I knew I was going to, going to make it

00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.799
through this thing. Okay. Blasting that I have

00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.240
for you. And that is that our show is all about

00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.279
hope. And a lot of people are wondering, you

00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:42.839
know, is there really a life after this and things

00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.960
like that? And you didn't go clear off to a heavenly

00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.599
place, but through your experience, would you

00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.140
say that there is some kind of message that you

00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:54.759
would like to share with everybody? Yeah, absolutely.

00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.240
And I would say most people would look at this

00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.779
experience and say that it is a negative. Like

00:29:00.779 --> 00:29:02.640
everyone always hears, oh, how horrific that

00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.339
was. And, you know, yes, it was. And it was awful

00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:09.039
to to recover from it. But it's made me a much

00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.559
better person. It's made me appreciate life.

00:29:12.099 --> 00:29:14.940
It's made me want to give back as opposed to

00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:18.319
being selfish in my own personal interests. Just

00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.869
the fact that every day is An important one to

00:29:22.869 --> 00:29:25.349
me and i think anyone that's been through an

00:29:25.349 --> 00:29:27.569
experience like this and is maybe fearful about

00:29:27.569 --> 00:29:29.829
what might come we all have different levels

00:29:29.829 --> 00:29:31.710
of what we're able to do i've been very blessed

00:29:31.710 --> 00:29:33.950
to be able to do a lot of things because they

00:29:33.950 --> 00:29:36.809
did a good job getting me back to being normal

00:29:36.809 --> 00:29:39.930
golf and everything. I'm able to do a lot but

00:29:39.930 --> 00:29:42.660
no matter what it is i think. I totally believe

00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:46.079
that there's life after death. Or even more than

00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.339
that, I feel that the body is like a container

00:29:48.339 --> 00:29:50.859
for the soul. And having that out -of -body experience,

00:29:51.099 --> 00:29:54.619
I believe my soul was out of my body. So I definitely

00:29:54.619 --> 00:29:56.980
believe there is something else to it. Now, where

00:29:56.980 --> 00:30:00.099
it goes or what it is, I don't know. But definitely,

00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.160
it was for the better, where most people would

00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:05.519
think it would be absolutely for the worse. So

00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.279
it was a life -changing event. Like I say, it's

00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.519
almost like I'm a different person altogether.

00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.880
Although I still have the memories of my past,

00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:15.940
I don't feel like I'm the same person as I was

00:30:15.940 --> 00:30:18.480
previous. Terrence, I appreciate you sharing

00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.559
all that and spending time with us today. Oh,

00:30:21.579 --> 00:30:26.660
absolutely. Glad to be here. Thanks again for

00:30:26.660 --> 00:30:29.240
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00:30:45.509 --> 00:30:47.809
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