Jane's NDE - She Saw Her Father

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Merry Christmas and welcome to Round Trip Death

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and our last episode of 2025. Before we jump

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into today's interview, I want to extend a huge

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thank you to everyone that has sent Christmas

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a lot of fun receiving them. Simply address it

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to Eric and Will PO Box 771, Heber City, Utah

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84032. I'll put it down on the show notes. I

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hope you have a wonderful holiday season, a happy

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and prosperous new year, and now enjoy our conversation

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with today's guest. Welcome welcome to round

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trip death everybody and this is gonna be so

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fun. We're going over to Scotland today We're

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gonna be meeting with Jane Dawson and oh there.

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She is Jane. Say hello. Hey Lovely to see Eric

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and Hello to everyone that's watching Lovely

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to see you and we have a lot of people that listen

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to the audio podcast and a lot of people that

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are watching the video so you're reaching both

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and for those that are watching the video you

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have got to explain the paintings behind you

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quickly before we start okay well i'll just quickly

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explain this one eric this was done by i don't

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know if you can see picasso he signed it up here

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but from the spirit world not picasso when he

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was alive here and i believe that picasso painted

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this of me for me i have some evidence for that

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So it was painted through a wonderful trance

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medium called Jose or Jose Madrado who you can

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find on YouTube and he goes into a deep trance

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and these famous painters paint through him,

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use his physical faculties to cause these amazing

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paintings to come into being. This one only took

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11 minutes. and Josie is just there with his

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eyes closed dabbing paints onto a canvas and

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he does a bit of this with his fingers minutes

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later this amazing thing comes out there are

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also lots of I do have four or five other ones

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here as well So the reason why Josie does this

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is because these famous artists in spirit agreed

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with him that he could use their talents to raise

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money for his orphanage in Brazil for the poorest,

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poorest babies. So how I came across this was

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that I was attending a spiritual event in Aberdeen,

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that's also Scotland, and Josie was given a demonstration.

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and I had agreed to go up a night before with

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some friends and we went into an Airbnb and on

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the wall was the Dove by Picasso the Dove of

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Peace by Picasso so I said out loud to my friends

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I think Picasso's going to paint something for

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me tomorrow that wasn't being big headed that

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was just setting an intention I'm a big believer

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in that This painting happened and we had to

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all bid for the paintings and I had already bid

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for two previously so I only had limited funds

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and I was outbid by another lady so I sadly said

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goodbye to this lovely painting but about a year

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and a half later this lady called me and said

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that she had bought this painting for her daughter

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but her daughter didn't want it Was I still interested?

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Of course, the answer was yes, as you can see

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here. I haven't showed you the bottom but Picasso...

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Picasso, I did believe, liked to ladies. I do

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feel with this painting that this is about over

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giving to people. trying to breastfeed the world,

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if you understand. So I know it's very possible

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for the spirit world to connect with us in this

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way and give us messages. And it doesn't matter

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when you receive the physical painting or the

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message, even if it's not at the same time. And

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sometimes it takes you a little while to work

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out what the message is too. For those that are

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not watching the video version of this, we're

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not going to explain what happens when you lean

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your head to the right a few inches. I should

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have briefly said it is a painting that Picasso

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from Spirit did of a lady's head and her shoulder

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and one bosom that she has on show, one bare

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bosom. That's like growing out of the side of

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her face. Okay, we really need to move on. We're

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going to be talking today about your near -death

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experience, discussing some interesting kind

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of philosophies about heaven and is it a specific

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place or is it a state of being or what is it

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we're going to get into that topic. But as long

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as we're talking paintings, hey take one more

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minute and tell us a little bit about you Jane

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so we get to know you a little bit. Okay, well

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I love a Picasso painting and I want her to have

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one. So I am a mom, a gran, a grandmom, an entrepreneur,

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a spiritually impressed person I guess. A spiritual

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medium would be one way of describing it or a

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conscious channel I've heard it described as

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this. This is my passion in life, one of my passions

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in life, but really the main one I would say

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at this juncture. And I knew nothing about spirituality,

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I knew nothing about anything beyond this physical

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life until I had that near -death experience

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during the birth of my child that we are going

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to go ahead and speak about now. Let's jump right

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into that. Tell me what your life was like leading

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up to this childbirth because I'm sure it's changed

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since. Massively, absolutely massively. Before

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my NDE, I was a woman who was not happy in life.

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I have been, I'm going to use the words cursed

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because I was cursed with lack of self -love

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or self -loathing and I've only discovered recently

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it really is a curse. Of course it's a generational

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thing and my family have discovered that too.

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It's also very much about the way we speak to

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each other and the genetics we have and the I

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guess the sensitivity in our nature all comes

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together and it can cause us to really not appreciate

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ourselves in fact to loathe ourselves and unfortunately

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that's where I I was from, I remember being initially

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from very young. So this caused me to make a

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lot of let's call them errors or mistakes in

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life, although we know that really it's only

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just another path. But anyhow, it caused me not

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to continue with my education. It caused me to

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get into the wrong careers. It caused me to get

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into disastrous relationships because I just

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grabbed at the first thing that came along. And

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then I had, I've got three beautiful children,

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but even when they come along, perhaps it wasn't

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in the best of circumstances. So yeah, a lot

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of mental and physical ill health was going along

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with that. And directly before this happened,

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I was a civil servant. I was in a new relationship,

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pregnant. I was 39 and the relationship was already

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going downhill. My father had had cancer and

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just died. My mom lived next door to me. Of course,

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she was deeply depressed. And I had two daughters

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who were just hitting their teens. So, yes, it

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was quite a mixture of stress, depression and

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ill health. And how did your labor and childbirth

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go? Well, my son was my third child, so it was

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a completely different pregnancy. I thought I

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was going to lose. him and then the doctors thought

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that he may have a chromosome abnormality so

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we had that decision to make as well just before

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halfway through the pregnancy so it was very

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worrisome and that was not good given my current

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state of mind however we got through that we

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got to the day in question and i was laboring

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away in a national health service hospital. This

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is where in the UK you have so -called free medicine

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although everyone contributes to it. So the choices

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were limited particularly in those days and because

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I was an experienced mother I was certain I was

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going to have this baby right away. So when the

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anaesthetist came round I told him that it was

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too late for a spinal block and sent him on his

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way. Three hours later I was screaming for him

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to come back And in those days, that wasn't an

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option. There was one anaesthetist for all the

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women that were in labour that night. So I basically

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had to get on with it without really any major

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pain relief. So I got to the stage where I just

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felt that I couldn't do this anymore. I was just

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so utterly exhausted in the mind, body and the

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spirit. And I just thought to myself, I can't

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do this. It wasn't even a conscious thought.

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It was just like a knowingness. I really can't

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do this anymore. And that's where some interesting

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things really started to happen. You know, it's

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been said that a woman in childbirth is the closest

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you can get to death without dying. Sounds like

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you were right on that door right there. And

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then you gave into it. I guess I did. Yeah, just

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I was finished with life. I didn't actually realize

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that at that exact moment, but about a year and

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a half later I couldn't eat I couldn't eat anything

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at all and I think it was actually a way of trying

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to starve myself to death because I lost about

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four stones in about the same number of weeks

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I subsequently heard a doctor saying that people

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at the end of their life don't want to eat and

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we shouldn't force them and something just a

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bell just rang with me that said you had given

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up you were essentially feeling like you're at

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the end of your life. So although incredible

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things happened during the birth, it took me

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a while to heal from all the physical and emotional

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pain, suffering that had been going through.

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All right, well, let's go back to what happened

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next. So you're in childbirth. You can't you

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can't do any more. What happened? I just can't.

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The pain was excruciating. I just sort of felt

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my spirit. leave my body, and it was just bliss.

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The pain was gone. I was just like... And it

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was like total velvety darkness. I went, oh,

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this is lovely. Not consciously thinking those

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thoughts, but, you know, it was annoyingness.

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And just at that very moment, I encountered my

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father's soul, his spirit, that I thought was

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no more. Although I'd asked my father on his

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deathbed to always look after my son because

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I hadn't spoken to him about the fact that I

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was having a boy because back in those days I

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didn't know there was anything more than this

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life. I just didn't have that awareness. Or maybe

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I did somewhere because I did ask my father to

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always look after him so I must have had that

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awareness deep down. So, yeah, we just had this

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beautiful soul -to -soul meeting. I'm like, my

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dad's here. I don't know if I actually said those

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words out loud or just thought them in my mind,

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but it was like, it was just a wonderful miracle

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and just the feeling of love and contentment

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and knowing that I wasn't alone. you know that

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my daddy was there for me well if you think about

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it at the time i requested him just before my

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son's birth the most dangerous journey a human

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being will ever take through the birth canal

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if you think about it the four inch birth canal

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where your head anyway we don't need to go into

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too much detail but there we go my father was

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there basically to fulfill my request to him

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when he was already in a coma. What did he look

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like when you saw him? Do you know what, Eric?

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It wasn't so much seeing or hearing. It was more

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feeling. And it was a knowingness. So if my father

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was sat right next to me in the physical plane,

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I would know him this much. But I knew him beyond

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time and space. I'm putting my arms right out

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to either side of the room here. It was a knowingness

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for eons and that was what was so beautifully

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comforting about it because that taught me so

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much not particularly even at that moment but

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subsequently at that moment I was just overwhelmed

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by the comfort and the love and then knowing

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this that that I was supported obviously my father

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from his perspective in the spirit world had

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thought to himself My daughter is in trouble.

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My grandson's about to be born. My daughter has

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many paths ahead of her. She doesn't need to

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stay in the one she's on. And I'm going to assist

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her with this. Because you understand when we're

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in spirit, non -physical. Heaven, if you want

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to call it, all these words are sort of interchangeable

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to me. We know everything. We know all the potential

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past, we know lives, so -called past lives, future

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lives we've had together. We know your deepest

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desires and thoughts of the people who are still

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here. That stuff is just all known to us because

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we're all one energy. We're all one beautiful

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energy. Down here we think we're all separate

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entities wandering about, completely disconnected.

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So the other thing I did come to discover shortly

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after my son was born and when he could start

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just when he started walking and talking part

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of my father is reincarnated in my son and I

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know this because my father at the beginning

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of his working life was a Glasgow policeman and

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as soon as my son was up on his feet and could

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utter a few words he asked for handcuffs and

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he asked for a baton and his father purchased

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these items for him which he then used in his

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father So that was some pretty good evidence.

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More than that, he looks like my father. He has

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the same eyes as my father and my son is now

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pursuing a professional legal career, which my

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father would have loved to have done. So that

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was part of everything that happened at that

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time and subsequently. What kind of communication

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was there between you and your father? I would

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say it was knowingness. It was a knowingness.

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Was it like a conversation between the two of

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you? No. It wasn't like a conversation that we're

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having just now. It definitely wasn't that. As

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I'm talking to you just now, actually I am receiving

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further information and I've found this is something

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that happens. My father's telling me it was an

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infusion of love. So that's wonderful, isn't

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it? An infusion of love enough to make me...

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come back down to planet earth and continue what

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did you learn about heaven one of the main reasons

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that i i was having great difficulties with accepting

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that there could be a heaven or an afterlife

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is because i literally thought how can everybody

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fit in above the clouds and i'm not sure i'm

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not the only person who's had that thought think

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of all the millions of souls who have died and

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all the millions of souls to come. I'm like how

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can they all fit in above the clouds? Anyhow

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of course I was thinking with a physical brain

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about physical things. Now I'm aware that heaven

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is an energetic state of being rather than a

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place. Although in your perception you can make

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it a place if that's what you want. Heaven has

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no boundaries. In a way neither does planet Earth,

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other than the fact that we have a human body,

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we've got to work within those boundaries. So

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I guess the question shouldn't really be where

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is heaven, but what is heaven? Yes, it's a frequency,

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an energetic state, and as again I'm thinking

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about it here, they're showing me all different,

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I'll say steps and stairs, but that's not the

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exact correct words, it's increments of it. So

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I do believe that my father probably came down

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quite a lot in vibration, increments, frequency

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to join with me. Maybe I came up a bit, he came

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down a bit and that was the space that we had

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our love. But for those who go to heaven, to

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the non -physical and stay there, I do believe

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it's just blissful and loving and absolutely

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everything that you would want it to be. I think

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those are key points, everything that you would

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want it to be. Perhaps some souls just want to

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be absorbed into all that is, just be part of

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that. Perhaps some souls want to be reincarnated,

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you know, partially reincarnated. Perhaps some

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souls want to be angels, guides, you know, keepers

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of Akashic Records, I've heard all that sort

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of stuff talked about as well. I must admit when

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I hear about records and contracts that's all

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very earthly stuff so I feel this must all be

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very much in a subtle frequency level rather

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than written out into paper books. Was there

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a time that you felt like you went back into

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your body after this? The baby actually was delivered

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and I was still in the non -physical realms and

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the thing was I wasn't being monitored, other

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than they were down at the business end, if I

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can put it that way, checking what was happening

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with the baby's delivery. So I don't know what

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physical signs I had, if any, that this was going

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on. But once my son was born, the nurses were

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urging me to wake him up, pay attention, sit

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up, your child's here. And I was just still in

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this blissful state of bliss. Although I had

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a beautiful child and I love him very much and

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I was overjoyed to meet him, I think there must

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have been a reticence for me to come back out

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of this beautiful loving state where I was with

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my dad. My dad's energy by that time had just

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gently, you know, moved on again. So eventually

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I sort of came to and interacted with my darling

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son. Kind of beautiful, isn't it? I think you

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know it's very beautiful and I can feel it as

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I'm talking to you just now I can feel my dad

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and so many spirit people round about us encouraging

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encouraging the love to come through with us

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this story and I find this is what happens very

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much around me now when Particularly when I'm

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speaking to lovely people like you, to interviews

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and to people who are trying to spread the love

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and spread the true knowledge, that there's an

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extremely strong spiritual healing come through

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with my words and people sense it. I can sense

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it. Hopefully the viewers will be able to sense

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it as well, whether they're just listening or

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whether they're viewing. It was so perfect. More

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incredible stuff happened once I got home with

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the baby. Okay. Well, let's move on to that.

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Let's talk about what happened after. So, if

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my father hadn't showed up at my birth, I would

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never be doing spiritual work now. I honestly

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believe I wouldn't still be in planet Earth if

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this all hadn't happened to me. I think I would

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be on the other side. I come from a family that

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is quite negative and quite depressive. One of

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my siblings has already passed before he was

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60. One of my siblings can't live on her own

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because she has horrible mental health problems.

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Another sibling is nearly crippled with back

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pain and his body's all distorted. And here I

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am, fairly, fairly healthy, expecting to live

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a long and healthy life because I have this knowingness,

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this understanding, this vibration so that was

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part of what my father did but when we come home

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from hospital he started backing this up causing

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physical things to happen in our home. Now do

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you know the medium John Edwards? No. Okay, so

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he's actually a very famous medium. He's a US

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medium. He was the only medium who was on TV

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24 years ago. In those days, there was no New

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Age, there was no talk of angels, there was no

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talk of crystals, there was no talk of medium

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on terrestrial TV. or in the media very much

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either. So I had a satellite TV and this medium

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John Edwards was on. Now I was sitting feeding

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my child for at least half the day and I was

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watching John Edwards and then what he would

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say about his loved ones, your loved ones wanting

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to reconnect would then happen to me. He would

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say they will give you signs and he would say

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what the sign would be and then it would happen

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in my house to me. from my father. To give you

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an example of that, one night we were all sitting

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in my home, I had the baby, my mum, my dad's

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widow was there, my husband at the time and my

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two daughters and the baby, even the dog, we

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were all there in different parts of the house

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and all of a sudden this beautiful smell of flowers

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filled the sitting room where myself, my mum,

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my husband and the baby were. And I said to mum,

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can you smell that? She goes, it's flowers. So

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I shouted down to my daughters, what can you

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smell girls? And they said, flowers. So the entire

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family acknowledged that there was a beautiful

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smell of flowers in the entire home. As soon

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as we acknowledged that, disappeared as immediately

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and as suddenly as it had come. I know that's

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a thing because I work with the spirit world

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and those on this side of life now. I know that's

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a common thing that the spirit world will do.

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They will give an order or whatever. but strangely

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enough as I'm talking to you I'm hearing my father

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saying of course I gave you flowers you just

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had a baby and my wife was there and he's never

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made me aware of this before so thank you that

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was the start of it and then of course things

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would go missing and then reappear once she had

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hunted the house looking high and low for them

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and one of the most dramatic things he did when

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I was in the house on my own with the baby I

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put the baby on his little chair on the dining

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table he was fast asleep and I went through and

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made a quick cup of tea I came back through and

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the baby in his seat had been moved round to

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the side like someone had came and looked at

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him but moved him to get a better view I knew

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that was my dad I could virtually see my dad

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and his physical self doing that action So yeah,

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so now he had convinced me that something, some

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form of existence, continues after physical death.

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And now he was telling me, look what we can do

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with energy on planet Earth. So there too, mighty

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big lessons. Yeah. How about other things in

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your life? You mentioned things were pretty rough

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leading up to that before the childbirth. After

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there, you said they're a lot better. What's

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been going on since? Well, I had to go on a journey

00:25:39.509 --> 00:25:42.549
of self -love along with my spiritual journey

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and that has been so healing. It took a while

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because I was self -loathing all my life and

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interestingly my mom just before she passed told

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me she never liked herself and my sister told

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me she hates herself so that's how deep it goes.

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in our family, particularly with the women in

00:26:02.500 --> 00:26:05.599
our family. It's heartbreaking and it's an epidemic

00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:08.500
now. It really is an epidemic and social media

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I think is making it so much worse. Of course

00:26:11.660 --> 00:26:14.460
social media is not all bad. So I do believe

00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:18.299
that half of my raison d 'etre, if you want to

00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:20.980
describe it as that, is to teach about spiritual

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truth but also to teach about the truth of self

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-love. So it took me a while to become healed.

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I mean, you know, if you have self -loathing

00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:35.019
in your nature, it's like everything else in

00:26:35.019 --> 00:26:38.319
your nature, it lingers. It never is entirely

00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.619
extinguished, but you can do your best to overcome

00:26:41.619 --> 00:26:44.140
it with the tools and the spiritual beliefs that

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I had. So it took me a few years, but the relationship

00:26:47.619 --> 00:26:51.059
with my child's father, we stayed together until

00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:54.039
he was a bit older, but it wasn't a good relationship

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and we had lots of issues. He wasn't used to

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other children or... strong women or anything.

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So that relationship dissolved. I was working

00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.559
with the civil service. I nearly got pushed out

00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:11.180
the door. So I left that after some years and

00:27:11.180 --> 00:27:15.480
I became quite entrepreneurial. I wanted to support

00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:19.279
myself and my family, but also to start working

00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.799
really purposefully with the spiritual world.

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So now I am an incredibly different person. So

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and woman than I would have been when I was age

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39. People don't believe when I say that I couldn't

00:27:34.819 --> 00:27:37.420
even, like if you wanted to interview me, I'd

00:27:37.420 --> 00:27:40.500
have probably rather died than agreed. You know,

00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.299
I couldn't even speak to my colleagues at work.

00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.640
I couldn't voice any thoughts and opinions because

00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.039
I thought they were always rubbish. So it was

00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:54.059
miserable. It was so miserable. But I feel a

00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:56.859
little bit sorry for my younger self, but also

00:27:57.049 --> 00:28:00.109
I can send love to her and I can see how far

00:28:00.109 --> 00:28:02.890
I've come and other people can see that as well.

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Did you have a lot of fear of death before your

00:28:05.970 --> 00:28:11.609
experience? Yes, I did. I really did. I was terrified

00:28:11.609 --> 00:28:15.029
and a fear of going blind and a fear of being

00:28:15.029 --> 00:28:18.849
in dark places. I remember, I remember when I

00:28:18.849 --> 00:28:21.750
was about 18, I had made the big mistake of getting

00:28:21.750 --> 00:28:24.410
married, can you believe that, 18, to basically

00:28:24.410 --> 00:28:28.259
get away from my mom because I thought she hated

00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:30.619
me I didn't know of course she hated herself

00:28:30.619 --> 00:28:33.380
so she was going to feel some kind of way about

00:28:33.380 --> 00:28:38.079
me So I remember when I was in a house with my

00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.920
new husband another disastrous relationship bless

00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:43.759
them all and I was just standing in the middle

00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:46.880
of the kitchen I thought if this is it this is

00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.680
life and then you just die and this horrible

00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:53.339
feeling came over me I suppose it would be grief

00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:57.500
and deep depression and fear all all mixed in

00:28:57.500 --> 00:29:02.339
one so yeah I was terrified of dying I was terrified

00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:07.339
of going blind and I was terrified of rooms where

00:29:07.339 --> 00:29:10.059
I couldn't see and I'll tell you another story

00:29:10.059 --> 00:29:13.420
about a gift my father gave me at a dark seance

00:29:13.420 --> 00:29:17.359
in a minute or two but what I learned the three

00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.859
things I learned about my fears one there's no

00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:23.380
need to be scared of death I believe being in

00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:26.839
non -physical heaven is a wonderful, wonderful,

00:29:26.859 --> 00:29:30.099
beautiful thing. As people often say, including

00:29:30.099 --> 00:29:33.519
my old dad, this is your hell down here. You

00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.240
know, your brain, your brain can either be your

00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.660
best friend or your worst enemy and your life

00:29:38.660 --> 00:29:40.799
will follow your thoughts and your words and

00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:45.039
actions. Regards the fear of going blind. That's

00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:47.400
a thing that's in my genetics I discovered later

00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.920
in life. but I worried about it so much I ended

00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.960
up having a stroke in this eye and I thought

00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.240
I was going to go completely blind and when I

00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.599
was at the hospital in the middle of a crisis

00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.539
over this they told me I could I could possibly

00:30:02.539 --> 00:30:07.339
go completely blind that had me praying to God

00:30:07.339 --> 00:30:10.400
and asking him to give me cancer instead and

00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:14.539
I'm laughing at myself now but that is the fear

00:30:14.539 --> 00:30:19.490
I had of going blind and how that fear affected

00:30:19.490 --> 00:30:22.930
me. Because you can draw things to you, you know?

00:30:23.170 --> 00:30:25.230
You can co -create or you can call it law of

00:30:25.230 --> 00:30:27.670
attraction. If you think, think, think, worry,

00:30:27.829 --> 00:30:30.210
worry, worry, enough about things they will come

00:30:30.210 --> 00:30:32.950
to you. It doesn't matter whether they're wanted

00:30:32.950 --> 00:30:36.349
or unwanted, you know? Yeah, positive or negative.

00:30:37.210 --> 00:30:39.910
Exactly that. The universe has got the same.

00:30:40.150 --> 00:30:41.970
You're thinking about that all the time. Let

00:30:41.970 --> 00:30:44.940
me give you some of that. You mentioned in a

00:30:44.940 --> 00:30:47.079
minute you were going to tell us something else,

00:30:47.140 --> 00:30:49.299
some other story. Do you remember what that was?

00:30:50.019 --> 00:30:53.180
Uh, was it about the seance? When I was in a

00:30:53.180 --> 00:30:55.900
pitch black room, sorry, a pitch black room?

00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:01.339
And my father gave me a gift? Yes. Okay. This

00:31:01.339 --> 00:31:04.799
was with another, that we were with, like a trans

00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.799
medium, who's also a physical medium for your

00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.819
listeners who maybe don't know that terminology.

00:31:11.259 --> 00:31:16.000
It's a medium who works in the dark, which is

00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.579
always an issue to me, but anyhow, they work,

00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.180
and this particular man worked an absolute pitch

00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:23.960
black, and they're able to cause physical things

00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.259
to happen, like my father's energy had proved

00:31:27.259 --> 00:31:31.099
to me. But sometimes they're able to cause voices

00:31:31.099 --> 00:31:33.559
of our loved ones to come through, sometimes

00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:38.039
they can cause objects to move around, sometimes

00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.930
they can cause a ports. A port is basically where

00:31:41.930 --> 00:31:44.710
the spirit world takes an item from one place,

00:31:44.910 --> 00:31:48.990
place A, and deposits it at place B. So I was

00:31:48.990 --> 00:31:52.289
in this seance and it was pitch black and the

00:31:52.289 --> 00:31:56.069
medium who was running the seance says, is everyone

00:31:56.069 --> 00:32:00.069
alright? And I was holding down this rising fear

00:32:00.069 --> 00:32:02.950
and panic and she said, you have to speak now

00:32:02.950 --> 00:32:05.410
if you're not alright because once the medium

00:32:05.410 --> 00:32:09.190
goes into trance, this deep state of altered

00:32:09.190 --> 00:32:13.230
state you cannot disturb them so I had to say

00:32:13.230 --> 00:32:16.509
I'm not all right I have to leave so I had to

00:32:16.509 --> 00:32:21.069
leave the seance room and stand outside and after

00:32:21.069 --> 00:32:24.990
I did that I heard the spirit that this man's

00:32:24.990 --> 00:32:27.150
spirit guide who was talking through him say

00:32:27.150 --> 00:32:30.789
we're so sorry that lady had to leave the room

00:32:31.130 --> 00:32:34.630
because her father's here and he has a gift for

00:32:34.630 --> 00:32:37.269
her so of course I'm outside crying and going

00:32:37.269 --> 00:32:40.769
why why why did I let this affect me so much

00:32:40.769 --> 00:32:44.250
the spirit guide says we will deposit the gift

00:32:44.250 --> 00:32:47.450
at the end please give it to her so after the

00:32:47.450 --> 00:32:51.009
seance was over the leader came out and she handed

00:32:51.009 --> 00:32:54.509
me this old coin which had Winston Churchill

00:32:54.509 --> 00:32:58.109
on the back who incidentally I have connected

00:32:58.109 --> 00:33:01.609
with in the spirit world and I'm like this oh

00:33:01.609 --> 00:33:05.369
an old coin well the night before the leader

00:33:05.369 --> 00:33:08.630
of that seance had done had been doing mediumship

00:33:08.630 --> 00:33:11.170
from like the platform what you would call gallery

00:33:11.170 --> 00:33:14.829
mediumship in the US and she had told me you're

00:33:14.829 --> 00:33:17.910
going no your father's talking about an old coin

00:33:17.910 --> 00:33:20.849
that must be in your possession and I said I

00:33:20.849 --> 00:33:25.430
don't have any old coins next night this thing

00:33:25.430 --> 00:33:29.750
comes so i call my husband and i say guess what

00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:33.430
i got a present from my dad and spirit and my

00:33:33.430 --> 00:33:36.230
husband was was an unbeliever i said but the

00:33:36.230 --> 00:33:38.950
thing is it's an old coin and we don't have any

00:33:38.950 --> 00:33:42.789
old coins in the house yes we do he says i brought

00:33:42.789 --> 00:33:45.829
old coins from my father's house and put them

00:33:45.829 --> 00:33:50.569
up in our attic so i didn't know this So what

00:33:50.569 --> 00:33:53.250
had happened, my father had taken this from our

00:33:53.250 --> 00:33:56.630
attic and delivered it to me in Aberdeen, a distance

00:33:56.630 --> 00:34:01.369
of 250 miles. And there's me standing outside

00:34:01.369 --> 00:34:03.730
the room crying because I couldn't bear the dark.

00:34:05.089 --> 00:34:07.809
So that's quite an amazing story, isn't it? I

00:34:07.809 --> 00:34:11.250
still have that coin to this day. Yeah, but what

00:34:11.250 --> 00:34:14.110
do you make of that? What did that mean? What

00:34:14.110 --> 00:34:16.869
was the lesson there? Well, it was a lesson about

00:34:16.869 --> 00:34:20.500
the what's how the spirit world can affect energy

00:34:20.500 --> 00:34:24.179
on planet earth to me that's what it is it was

00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:28.420
a gift but it was a lesson because you see when

00:34:28.420 --> 00:34:30.820
i'm working with people given healing or when

00:34:30.820 --> 00:34:33.960
you're doing your thing you know broadcasting

00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.920
the love the spirit world is working with our

00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:41.079
vibration our energy to uplift us think about

00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.360
it this way is there a real difference between

00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.900
a coin being, what would be the word that I would

00:34:46.900 --> 00:34:49.460
use, disappeared and reappeared, a bit like Star

00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:51.860
Trek, what they used to do in Star Trek. And

00:34:51.860 --> 00:34:54.599
our human bodies and our minds and our brains

00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.639
being uplifted by energy, being healed by energy.

00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.119
So I definitely feel that was part of the lesson.

00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:08.420
Same as this painting, they used spiritual energy,

00:35:08.500 --> 00:35:11.559
blended with physical energy to cause these things

00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:17.019
to happen as well. and that is an extreme. Things

00:35:17.019 --> 00:35:20.099
moving physically and appearing physically somewhere

00:35:20.099 --> 00:35:23.980
else is an extreme way of being made aware of

00:35:23.980 --> 00:35:27.019
the power of spirit. Have you experienced something

00:35:27.019 --> 00:35:30.679
like that yourself? I don't think so. Many people

00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.000
have. Many people find things like feathers in

00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.940
unusual places, perhaps find lights going on

00:35:36.940 --> 00:35:40.840
and off, that all sorts of physical things are

00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:44.610
caused. I definitely believe in the spirit world

00:35:44.610 --> 00:35:48.409
and that there are spirits or souls around us.

00:35:48.590 --> 00:35:52.090
I don't really get into things that don't seem

00:35:52.090 --> 00:35:55.429
to have a purpose. Like something moving around

00:35:55.429 --> 00:35:58.230
to me doesn't have a purpose. There isn't a lesson

00:35:58.230 --> 00:36:02.550
for my life in that. I don't need that to believe

00:36:02.550 --> 00:36:05.530
something. So I think it just isn't a deal for

00:36:05.530 --> 00:36:08.909
me. Well, I understand that, but of course I've

00:36:08.909 --> 00:36:12.280
dived deep into mediumship. Yeah, I need your

00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.019
shirt is about providing evidence evidence to

00:36:15.019 --> 00:36:17.420
people that their loved ones are still around.

00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:22.880
Some people need it and bucket loads. One last

00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.099
thing before I let you go. So we're going to

00:36:25.099 --> 00:36:27.880
do two things. I'm going to give you just a minute

00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:32.579
to wrap up and give us we like to finish giving

00:36:32.579 --> 00:36:36.079
a message of hope for everybody out there. It's

00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.219
a rough world out there. And so if you would

00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.420
think for a second and leave us with a message

00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:45.000
of hope. And then for those that want to stick

00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.579
around after that, I want to learn more about

00:36:47.579 --> 00:36:50.800
the paintings. And so we'll chat about, we'll

00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.539
chat about that. We'll leave things recording,

00:36:53.539 --> 00:36:55.679
but people don't have to listen to that if they're

00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.639
not interested in that. So leave us, leave us

00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:02.400
with a wrap up message. Okay. So as you say,

00:37:02.860 --> 00:37:07.199
this life is a tough gig. I believe that you

00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.619
can either choose to make it a comedy or a drama.

00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.480
So I have learned to definitely stay on the dra

00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.860
- I'm so sorry, on the comedy side, my life was

00:37:17.860 --> 00:37:21.699
drama earlier. If you laugh frequently, if you

00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:25.320
hold a high vibration, your life will improve

00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.960
so much, everything will flow and it will become

00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.820
much easier than you ever thought it could. In

00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:36.559
the words of my old dad, Your hell was on planet

00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.159
Earth, not anywhere else. Can't we make it something

00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.300
better than that? Yes. This life can be heaven.

00:37:44.059 --> 00:37:48.400
This life can be heaven. If you stick with the

00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.300
comedy side, if you laugh and you have fun and

00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:54.960
you stay high vibration and refuse to ruminate

00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.239
over your worries, over the past, over the future,

00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.800
stay in the present moment. know that we are

00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.639
surrounded and part of the spirit world and more.

00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:10.800
We are the same energy as the angels so how can

00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.800
we hate ourselves and how can we not realize

00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:18.360
that we are truly powerful beings. Thank you.

00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.059
I wanted to make sure that was clear because

00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:24.360
this life doesn't have to be hell it can be heaven

00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:27.440
right here. Your brain's your best friend or

00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:31.400
your worst enemy we get to choose. That is so

00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.199
true. All right, Jane. Thank you so very much

00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:38.320
Thank you. All right I want to talk about the

00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.280
paintings for one more minute because I'll tell

00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:44.460
you what the one over your left shoulder it just

00:38:44.460 --> 00:38:47.619
Reeks give me attention. Give me attention. So

00:38:47.619 --> 00:38:49.840
I've had a hard time taking my eyes off of it

00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:54.000
and I figured out what it is Tell me it could

00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.940
be a portrait of you or it could be a portrait

00:38:57.940 --> 00:39:02.829
of You and Mick Jagger's love child. It does

00:39:02.829 --> 00:39:06.690
look like Mick Jagger. Yeah, a little bit. Maybe

00:39:06.690 --> 00:39:09.110
Mick Jagger and I were together in a previous

00:39:09.110 --> 00:39:13.690
incarnation. I don't know. Who knows? This was

00:39:13.690 --> 00:39:18.389
signed by Picasso. He doesn't allow José Madrado

00:39:18.389 --> 00:39:22.809
to sign. I have one by Van Gogh over here. That's

00:39:22.809 --> 00:39:25.929
so typically Van Gogh as you can see. They were

00:39:25.929 --> 00:39:28.949
done. They were done at the same session, they're

00:39:28.949 --> 00:39:32.030
completely different, and Van Gogh allows Madrado

00:39:32.030 --> 00:39:35.590
to also sign his signature. So that one was done

00:39:35.590 --> 00:39:39.130
in about 10 minutes, that one was done in about

00:39:39.130 --> 00:39:42.929
10 or 11 minutes too. Now does he paint with

00:39:42.929 --> 00:39:45.210
his finger or with brushes? You mentioned him

00:39:45.210 --> 00:39:47.510
touching the paint. Yeah, he just kind of, he

00:39:47.510 --> 00:39:50.800
just think from it... From the viewer's perspective,

00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:54.780
we're all seated and he's stood up over the canvases

00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:58.519
and his assistants put one canvas in front of

00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.699
him, a blank one, and he does his thing. Sometimes

00:40:00.699 --> 00:40:03.739
he gets the brushes out. But remember, he's in

00:40:03.739 --> 00:40:06.900
deep trance. His eyes are completely sealed closed.

00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.019
His eyes are closed the whole time he does that?

00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.719
Yes, the whole time. Get out of here! No! That,

00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:18.760
again, is part of how the spirit world uses energy

00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:23.099
to affect things on planet Earth. I can feel

00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:26.380
Picasso so close when I'm even talking about

00:40:26.380 --> 00:40:29.119
him. And this is something that I'd like to say.

00:40:29.460 --> 00:40:32.079
If you think about someone who's passed over,

00:40:32.900 --> 00:40:35.139
they will get your thought and they will come

00:40:35.139 --> 00:40:37.860
close. Picasso's here. He's talking to me about

00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:41.070
a little girl. connected with this painting so

00:40:41.070 --> 00:40:45.369
maybe maybe neither of us are bang on but if

00:40:45.369 --> 00:40:47.889
you could see it outside where i live currently

00:40:47.889 --> 00:40:50.630
i have black railings exactly it's actually black

00:40:50.630 --> 00:40:55.289
balcony exactly this design up here and also

00:40:55.289 --> 00:40:58.210
the colors here the red and the yellow are about

00:40:58.210 --> 00:41:00.889
your chakras your sort of powerful chakras and

00:41:00.889 --> 00:41:05.750
your creative chakras and then of course For

00:41:05.750 --> 00:41:08.710
those who are interested, there is a bosom right

00:41:08.710 --> 00:41:13.050
there. He's a character. Alright, alright. Jane,

00:41:13.110 --> 00:41:16.349
I appreciate your time. Thank you. We'll talk

00:41:16.349 --> 00:41:19.250
again in the future sometime, I'm sure. Love

00:41:19.250 --> 00:41:22.570
to. If anyone's looking for me, erikjandawson

00:41:22.570 --> 00:41:26.769
.co .uk or on all, basically all social media.

00:41:28.010 --> 00:41:29.969
Yeah, we'll get that down in the show notes,

00:41:30.050 --> 00:41:33.349
so anybody can just scroll down, click on a link

00:41:33.349 --> 00:41:37.449
right over to you. Fantastic. Blessings to everyone.

00:41:37.610 --> 00:41:44.849
That was a wonderful conversation. Thanks again

00:41:44.849 --> 00:41:47.389
for listening and don't forget to send those

00:41:47.389 --> 00:41:50.070
Christmas cards. All the best to you and your

00:41:50.070 --> 00:41:52.949
family in this life and the next.