A Christian's Near Death Experience (NDE) With Hell

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, where we

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have conversations with people who have died,

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experienced a glimpse of the other side, and

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return to talk about it. What can we learn from

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these experiences? How can a belief in the afterlife

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provide hope for your life right now? That's

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what this show is all about. But before we jump

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into today's discussion, I just wanted to mention

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that it includes a suicide attempt, nothing graphic,

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but if that's something triggering or distressing

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for you, you might want to skip down to another

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episode. I hope you'll stick around because our

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79 year old guest is entering the final chapter

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of her life and reached out specifically to us

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with a desire to leave her message to the world

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right here on this podcast. So here we go. We

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are so happy to have a really special guest with

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us today, Billie Kay Rains, coming to us from

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deep in the heart of Texas. How are you, Billie

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Kay? I'm good, very good. Well, I know... down

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there in Texas and a lot of the southern United

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States, well and central and northeastern, there's

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been horrible storms lately and I hope you're

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okay. You must have power or you wouldn't be

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with me today, but are you keeping warm and safe?

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Oh, yeah, it's I'm in Kerrville and the big flood

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in the 4th of July that wiped us out here and

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now this This is exceptionally cold a lot of

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the wildlife has died and the birds and so forth

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and the stray cats But yeah, it's really bad

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happens occasionally Yeah must well before we

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jump into your near -death experience and a lot

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of other things that we're gonna be talking about

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today I'd love our listeners to get to know you.

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So tell us a little bit about Billy Kay I was

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born in East Texas in a small town called Lufkin.

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I was raised going to a Baptist church. My parents

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were not religious that I knew of. They would

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drop us off and pick us up. I married well there.

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I was 27 years old and all of a sudden I wanted

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to find God and I didn't think he was in the

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church that I grew up in. I knew nothing really

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about God, but I was searching. So I would invite

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anybody into my house that would knock on the

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door. Jehovah Witness, Mormon, I don't know who.

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I'm gonna listen to all of it, but there's nothing

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special about me. I'm just a Texas girl that

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grew up in a small town, got mixed up in the

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wrong thing, and sent me to hell. Well, we might

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as well jump into it from right there. Tell me,

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how old were you when this experience started?

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It was 1973. I was 27 years old. Okay, what was

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going on in your life that led to this? I was

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searching for God and I finally wound up in all

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the wrong places because I wound up in Transcendental

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Meditation in Houston. I was married to a man

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who was wealthy in that town. And so I had a

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lot of money and a lot of time on my hands. I

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lived about an hour and a half from Houston at

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that time. And so I would travel to Houston often.

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And I don't know who I met there or maybe it

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was a friend in Lafayette. But anyway, they introduced

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me to this guru from India with a red dot on

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his head. And so I got into transcendental meditation.

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And I don't mean exercise. I mean the whole shebang.

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Also astral travel. So here I am looking for

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God and I'm not finding him in all these churches

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and now I'm going in the opposite direction which

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is a new age type direction and I found myself

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I had two small children I had a son that was

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maybe three three and a half and a five -year

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-old daughter and a precious pet that I loved

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and a wonderful husband and As I went into this

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transcendental meditation and so forth. I kind

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of rose above anything that was important in

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my life. I'm looking above everybody. I don't

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see them anymore. I'm hearing weird voices that

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are chanting, talking to me and so forth and

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I'm losing weight. I was just actually doing

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things I would have never done. I got involved

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in an affair with a next -door neighbor who was

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an airline pilot, a womanizer. I was just living

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a total life of sin and it wasn't me. And then

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I have this feeling all the time. I had headaches

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after headaches. I'm losing weight and you need

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to kill yourself. That's the only way out. It

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was like a voice talking to me all the time.

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Just kill yourself. You know, this is just the

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best way to go to get out of this situation.

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So when this guy ended our relationship, we were

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in Dallas, I drove straight home, walked in the

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door. Picked up a bottle of muscle relaxers that

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the vet gave for our Labrador Retriever. Swallowed

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the whole bottle of muscle relaxers. I wrote

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a one -page thing to my husband, a goodbye note.

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I don't remember anything I said except the last

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thing was I hope this, at least my headaches

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will go away. So the next thing that happened

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is I wake up in a hot car. It's August in Texas.

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It's hot. What had happened is my husband came

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home for lunch, which he never does. I was not

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responsive. So he obviously carried me to the

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car and drove me to the Memorial Hospital in

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Lufkin, which is about a 10 minute drive. But

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when I came to, I was in the car and it was,

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I was alone. The windows were up. The car was

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off. The heat woke me up. My hand felt for the

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door and I found the handle and I fell out onto

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the hot pavement. and I crawled on my hands and

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knees. I don't know how far. Wasn't too far.

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I don't think I would have made it. But I felt

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coolness and my head bumped a rubbery type door

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and I went through it. And when I crawled through

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it and I looked up, my husband and either one

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or two other men in suits, including my husband,

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were standing looking at me with their arms crossed.

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And I passed out. Now, obviously, I don't know

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what doctor was on call that day, but it would

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have been one of of the doctors that was in our

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circle, that knew us. So the next thing I remember,

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I can hear things, but I can't see anything.

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And I hear a nurse tell a doctor, her fingernails

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are blue and her lips are blue. Now I'm listening

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to that. I had no reaction to it and I knew,

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I think I knew she was talking about me, but

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it didn't register me as like, oh, that's panic.

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I had no, it was like, Didn't mean a thing and

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I don't know in between each one of these I have

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no idea how much time went by The next time I

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heard her say her fingernails are black and her

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lips are black Why don't you just let her die?

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She tried to kill herself. She doesn't deserve

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to live That crushed me. I was like now I knew

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they were talking about me and I tried to kill

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myself because I did not know why I was there

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Then I heard nothing and I'm in a blackness that

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cannot be described. I don't think I'm standing.

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I'm not laying down, and I am aware of I'm comfortable.

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I'm not hot. I'm not cold. I'm curious. I don't

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know that I am. I don't know who I am. I don't

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know if I have a name. I don't know about...

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Nothing crossed my mind as far as children, family,

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or myself. All I was curious about was, it's

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so dark. I wonder if I can see my hand in front

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of my face. And I know I tried, but of course

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I could not. And so, and I don't know how long

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I'm in this state, but I sense a presence over

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my left shoulder. And I assume I turned because

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I saw the presence. It was a demon. It was large.

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It was just out of arm's reach of me. I knew

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it was a demon. I wasn't afraid of it. for some

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odd reason, but I knew what it was. I'm looking

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at it with my mouth open if I had one because

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it was the strangest thing I ever saw. It had

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a body and arms and legs and a head. I cannot

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remember the head or the face. I don't know if

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it was because it was hideous enough that I can't

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remember it, I've blocked it out, but I was so

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focused on the body of this thing. It had long

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arms. It was claw -like. It was kind of a lizard

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sort of skin. But the trunk of the body was something

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I couldn't... There were tubes that are about

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an inch wide that made up the trunk of this body.

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And each one of those tubes had a different color

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liquid flowing through it. And it lit up... The

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whole thing was... He was lit up from the inside.

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That's why I could see him. I mean, it was like

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a Christmas tree. He was so lit up. And over

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the years, as I've thought about it, I was in

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utter darkness. He lit up, but he put off no

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light in that dark place. But of course I could

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see him. When he lunged for me, I screamed. And

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at the minute I screamed, I'm sitting up on the

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table. I'm in the hospital, and they're working

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on me. And I'm saying, please don't let me go

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back. I'd fall back down. And I'm back with this

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thing again, trying to grab me. He never touched

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me, and he never reached me. This happened three

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times, and then the next time I set up, I was

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in a room that was maybe eight feet wide, small

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room. I sat straight up. I was so cold, I was

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shivering. My teeth were shivering. I was laying

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on a metal table with nothing under me and nothing

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over me. My husband was sitting in a chair at

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my feet over to the right. And he jumped up and

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opened the door and he said, bring me a blanket.

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And from that point to the next thing that happened,

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I have no memory except that I was terrified

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that I would do this again and go back to where

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I had been. So I asked my husband, please take

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me somewhere where I can be monitored so that

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I don't do this again because I don't have any

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control over it. I don't think I did. And so

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he agreed to that and he drove me to Houston

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that night. and I was put in a mental facility.

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I wanted that. We agreed and signed paperwork

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that it would be for 30 days, there would be

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no medication, nothing at all. It just observing

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me. At the end of maybe three weeks, I was told

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by the physician there that we're going to use

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shock treatment on you. And that's not something

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we had agreed to. And they were not supposed

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to be medicating me. It turns out they were.

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In Texas, at that time, they would have to lay

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a sheet of paper by your bed and type on the

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line whatever medications. And they were doing

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that, but it was so minuscule, you would need

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a magnifying glass to see it. And so I called

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my husband. I told him, he said, I'm coming to

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get you. I think I called him late at night.

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He said, I'll be there in the morning. In the

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meantime, a friend of ours from Dallas that we

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knew through business, He came all the way from

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Dallas to witness to me, and that man came to

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the room, and for the first time in my life,

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I understood what it meant for Jesus to die on

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the cross. I had an experience there. That was

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my first real experience with God. What was unusual

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about that is when he finally left, two nurses

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kept trying to get into my room over here to

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the left, and I assume it was to... They were

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going to go ahead and do shock treatment. They

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had to do certain things to do that for me. They

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couldn't enter and they're telling, they're saying

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to each other, why can't we come in the room?

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And she said, what is that gold light? We can't

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even, you know, it won't let us go in the room.

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So they never were allowed in that room. And

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my husband showed up the next morning and he

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walked in the room. He picked up the piece of

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paper. He said, they are medicating. I see this

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right here. So he took his suit coat off and

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he put it around my shoulders. I had on a gown

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and I was barefoot. And he walked me past the

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desk, down he says, open the door, because where

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we're at? Those are very secure places and you're

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locked in. One is a metal door with a glass with

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metal in the top. And the doctor says, we're

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not gonna let her go. He said, you are gonna

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let her go. Thank God I had a husband that had

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means who knew people. I mean, Charlie Wilson,

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the congressman was my next door, not our best

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friend. There's people to call, okay? So we were

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at the door and he's screaming, my husband's

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screaming, let us out. opened the door and he

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was in cowboy boots and he was kicking that door

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and he was kicking that door and had big dents

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in it, big dents. He was going to get out and

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finally they came over and they opened it and

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he screamed should be dead within 30 days and

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we left. So he took me down the streets of Houston

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barefoot with his jacket over me and whatever

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they were giving me every sound made me scream.

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I mean and he rented a hotel room there it took

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me three days for this stuff to get out of my

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system. And when it did, and he drove me home,

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I went out in the back of the house, and I sat

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down on the grass, and I said, God, I said, please

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don't, please don't ever let me go back there.

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If you will show me the truth of salvation, I

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don't care what it is, I'll do it. And he did.

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And that's why I want to tell this tale. This

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is the real story. He showed me the truth and

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how he showed it to me. Can you clarify something

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for me? Who was the man that came to your room

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that night? He was the man who owned the Tafari

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jewelry company because we own department stores

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and we would go to Dallas to buy at the market

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and we had become very good friends with him

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and he was a hardcore Christian. And unfortunately

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he died early, he died young, he died quite a

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long time ago because this was a long time ago.

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So was it him that kept the nurses out? Because

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you said something about a golden glow also.

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I just want to make sure I really understand

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this. There was a light in my room, a golden

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yellow light. and the nurses talked about it,

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because every time they tried, it's like a moon

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that kept pushing them back. They couldn't get

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through it. And the reason I want to bring this

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up, and I'm glad you asked that, and I don't

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know that it has any bearing, but when I was

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small, my dad didn't want to talk about religion.

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His father was a minister, and they didn't get

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along, and he didn't go to church. And he didn't

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want my mother talking about it either. But I

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had to be three years old, because we moved from

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that house when I was four. But... Two times

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he found me at two and three in the morning in

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the backyard on a big oak stump in a ball of

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golden light. And he would come running out,

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calling my name, and the light would go away.

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And I'd say, Daddy, I was talking to Jesus. And

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it just freaked him out. It happened twice. And

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after that, he locked my bedroom door so I couldn't

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get out. I don't know if that has anything to

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do with my life as I got older. That light was

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there in that room, too, that night. Let me ask

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you one other thing I've had other people who

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have told me about their horrible hellish type

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experiences that also said And I can say this

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to you because you're Christian They said at

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some point during that experience They called

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out to Jesus and they were immediately removed

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from it. Is that something that you tried? No

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I didn't know anything really about Jesus. I

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mean, I was like brain dead. No, I was just fresh

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for the time. Yet you were protected. That's

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amazing. I was allowed to come back because He

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knows the beginning and the end of all of our

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lives, I guess. How did your mental health turn

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around from that point? Instantly. And within

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a month, I gained 15 pounds. I was anorexic almost.

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So my weight came back, my depression, everything

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that was going on because I was Depression is

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the wrong word. I'm telling you I don't know

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what transcendental meditation does to you, but

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I was like not present. I was somewhere else.

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I was controlled by some other entity. I don't

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know what it was, but it was gone. And I don't

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really understand that either because meditation

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in general is not a bad thing. From what I see

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but it sounds like you were following someone

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that was taking you down some sort of a bad path

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with well If you talk about just meditation,

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but this was with a guy from India You're worshiping

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those gods with those and people don't know this

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But if you if you look into transcendental meditation

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most people kill themselves They're driven to

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suicide. You're worshiping a demon. You're worshiping

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in all these moves. Even the exercise is not

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good for you because you're in positions to receive

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a demon. You're worshiping something you shouldn't

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be worshiping. I had no foundation with God at

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all to save me from it. I didn't realize this,

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but I saw something on YouTube. The danger of

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Transcendental Meditation. Just look into it.

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It's dangerous. I hear people say, oh, I meditate

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all the time. Well, there's different kinds of

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meditation. Are you sitting in a pose and doing

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your meditation with your hands and doing certain

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things? That's the difference, I think. You can

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sit and quietly meditate on something. I wouldn't

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think that's harmful, but what I was doing obviously

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was. And I'm not an expert. I'm not going to

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speak one way or the other on this topic, but

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I do know that I'm going to get comments and

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emails from people saying, I do Transcendental

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Meditation every day and there's nothing wrong

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with it, but I respect your thoughts and your

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opinion and your experience. I'm pretty sure

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the whole interview you'll get plenty of comments

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about. That's okay. Well, let's keep going then.

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Open the floodgates there, Billy Kay. Okay. Well,

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what I want to say is I told you I wanted to

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do this because I won't be here much longer.

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I'll be 80 in a year. I want people to make the

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rapture. The churches today, for the most part,

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95 % do not preach true salvation. I asked God

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to show it to me, and he did. And I didn't want

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it when he showed it to me. I thought it. I tell

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you, I just, it was awful. You'll find out, okay?

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And you're gonna get a lot of comments from people

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about that. That's okay. You're either chosen

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or you're not. The Bible says He called you by

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your name and in your mother's womb. You were

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chosen before you were born. And if you are one

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of those chosen, when you hear true salvation,

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you will take hold of it. So, you know, there's

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going to be people that aren't, and that's fine.

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But I want to give people a chance. And let's

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say you're not chosen, but you listen to everything

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I tell you that happened to me that proves that

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God is real and that what He told me in salvation

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is real. If you miss the rapture, You need to

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take a piece of paper and you need to write in

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big letters, the rapture occurred and I missed

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it. A strong delusion now has been put into my

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mind. In order for me to be saved, I must be

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baptized and must be born of the water and the

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spirit of God. I will not be in the 144 ,000

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that will make it. You need to write yourself

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a note and how will you know the rapture happened?

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Because a lot of people will be missing and they'll

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they probably will tell you all kinds of stories

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What may have made that happen? But if that happens,

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you've missed the rapture Okay I'm just gonna

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interject one big thing here before we move on

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and that is We have tried our best To keep this

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show something that is non -denominational We're

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not trying to convince anybody of any particular

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religion or anything like that We're listening

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to near -death experiences and what people learn

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from them So if there's someone out there that

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doesn't want to hear what you learned They can

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turn it off right now and that's okay and it

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won't hurt my feelings and it won't hurt your

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feelings but it sounds like we're going down

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a path that is more religious than usual and

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so There's everybody's warning, I guess, on that

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topic, and now I want to set you loose, and I

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don't want you to hold back, and I want you to

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tell me what's on your mind. Well, I don't want

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any denomination. Denomination is the enemy.

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There are no denominations in heaven, I promise

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you. None. None. So you don't have to worry.

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I love this. People are going to disagree all

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day long, like you said, with everything you

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say. I love it. Keep going. Okay. Here's what

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I want to say. I, like a lot of people, I watch

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a lot of near -death experiences. And I came

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to a conclusion. A near -death experience is

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not a true -death experience. And I finally saw

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one. And I'm so sorry I didn't save it or know

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who she was or... even who it was that interviewed

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her. It was a great near -death experience. She

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was a very sinful person, and so was I, but she

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went to heaven. She went to paradise, and she

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was with Christ, and he was talking to her. She

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had a wonderful time, and it was beautiful, and

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this happens to so many people. Most of these

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experiences are paradise. I can't wait to go

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back. And then he told her she had to leave,

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and she said no. And then eventually he told

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her again, yes, you have to go back, and she

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said no. And the third time, He told her, you

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need to go back. She said, I'm not going back.

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And she put her foot down. And Christ said to

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her, you don't understand. If you stay now, you

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won't be here. You'll be over there. And she

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said, when I looked over there, it was nothing

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but utter desolation. And she said, I agreed

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to go back. And this is what I want to warn people

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about. I see so many of these. Oh, I can't wait

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to die. It was great. I know where I'm going.

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Why does Christ not tell you what you must do

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to be saved? Because you have to find that yourself.

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The Bible is very clear. You have to seek out

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your own salvation with fear and trembling. And

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for free. I'm sitting here watching one. And

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I said to him, to God, I talked to him and I

00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:27.920
said, and don't get me, I mean, I don't, we don't

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sit and converse all the time, but he did speak

00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:32.019
to me four different times audibly, I'm gonna

00:24:32.019 --> 00:24:34.960
get to that. I said, I can't do anything for

00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.779
you anymore, I'm old, I'm not around people anymore,

00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:42.180
there's nothing I can do. And he said, clearly

00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:44.859
in my mind, why don't you make your own video

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and do your own near -death experience? And I

00:24:48.339 --> 00:24:53.019
thought, well, okay. It's harder to do than you

00:24:53.019 --> 00:24:55.880
would think, but I find Eric here, so we're going

00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:59.950
to go forward with this. Okay, so... I come back

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and my husband and I are working out that we

00:25:01.890 --> 00:25:04.849
are going to get a divorce. We divorce. And I

00:25:04.849 --> 00:25:07.910
go on my merry way living once saved, always

00:25:07.910 --> 00:25:10.869
saved. Okay? You know what once saved, always

00:25:10.869 --> 00:25:13.970
saved is. You do whatever you want to do. And

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since sexual sin, it doesn't matter what it is,

00:25:16.890 --> 00:25:19.589
you know, God will forgive me. And I've already

00:25:19.589 --> 00:25:21.269
asked him to show me the truth of salvation.

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I haven't seen it yet. But I believe I've had

00:25:24.690 --> 00:25:27.069
this experience with a man from Trafari Jewelry

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Company, and so I really think, boy, I'm saved.

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And I asked him anyway to show me the truth,

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so I'm thinking I got the truth here. So it's

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about five years later, I'm walking through the

00:25:36.930 --> 00:25:38.549
State Fair of Texas. And if you've never been

00:25:38.549 --> 00:25:40.470
in those big buildings in the State Fair of Texas,

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where you go see these wondrous new products,

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have you ever been in anything? They're humongous.

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It'll take you two or three hours to go through

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one, and you're about six right people, abreast,

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walking through these things. So I'm walking

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with my children and a man says, and a man's

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voice over my right shoulder, okay, I want you

00:25:56.740 --> 00:25:58.359
to go over there and ask that man for a job.

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And I was like, and I looked and there was no

00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:05.400
man behind me. And I just, what the? And I just

00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:08.980
ignored it, but I found it unusual. So I'm walking

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maybe 20, 30 minutes forward in those big pavilions.

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Same thing happened again. And I looked over

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and it was a little old chubby guy in a little

00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:20.809
booth. And I walked over and I said, I'm supposed

00:26:20.809 --> 00:26:23.430
to ask you for a job. Now I had a wonderful job

00:26:23.430 --> 00:26:26.289
selling high -end women's clothing in Dallas.

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I loved my job. I didn't want another job. He

00:26:29.490 --> 00:26:31.329
said, you're hired. And I said, for what? He

00:26:31.329 --> 00:26:32.849
says, you'll be selling storm doors and windows

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and I'll give you a $500 a month draw. And I'm

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like, okay, okay. And I took the job. So you

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not only heard it, you did it. So congratulations

00:26:44.250 --> 00:26:47.710
on that. That can be the hard part. Yeah, just

00:26:47.710 --> 00:26:51.309
wait till you hear the rest. Anyway, so I Show

00:26:51.309 --> 00:26:54.230
up and I'm there for like three four weeks and

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it's just oh, I can't why I'm you know I'm sitting

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in the main office and a man walks in his name

00:27:00.250 --> 00:27:04.450
was Lacey and I looked up at him and I knew I

00:27:04.450 --> 00:27:07.569
am going to marry that man I knew right there.

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I'm gonna marry that man now I went and interviewed

00:27:12.190 --> 00:27:14.210
for another job when I saw him, and I knew I

00:27:14.210 --> 00:27:15.809
was going to marry him, and we did marry 10 months

00:27:15.809 --> 00:27:18.309
later. And in that period of time, prior to that,

00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:20.430
I changed jobs, and this is important because

00:27:20.430 --> 00:27:23.809
a lot of this is going to involve this job. I

00:27:23.809 --> 00:27:26.130
applied for North Haven Gardens as a landscape

00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:28.490
designer. North Haven Gardens in Richardson,

00:27:28.789 --> 00:27:31.730
Texas, it is the largest landscape company this

00:27:31.730 --> 00:27:34.549
side of the Mississippi. I applied for that job.

00:27:35.390 --> 00:27:37.390
David Pinkus and his father were there for that

00:27:37.390 --> 00:27:40.099
interview, and they both hired me. Unfortunately,

00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:42.259
they hired me not for exterior, which is what

00:27:42.259 --> 00:27:44.579
I wanted. I had no idea what they were hiring

00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:47.339
me for. And it turned out that they hired me

00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:51.400
as for design sales for interior tropicals only,

00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.759
which in other words, I would bid malls, atriums,

00:27:55.059 --> 00:27:58.180
all commercial buildings for interior plants.

00:27:58.539 --> 00:28:00.140
I don't know how old you are, but years ago we

00:28:00.140 --> 00:28:02.880
didn't have plants in malls or plants in offices.

00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.500
I pioneered that, North Haven Gardens pioneered

00:28:06.500 --> 00:28:10.279
that business, and I was in charge of that. Okay,

00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:13.339
so I'm doing this while Lacey and I are dating,

00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.900
and we are going to church every Sunday. One

00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:17.740
Sunday I'll go to Baptist, next Sunday we'll

00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:22.319
go to his church, and then we get married. He

00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.259
was from Bay City, Texas, so we are married at

00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:28.059
Pastor Morris Church in Bay City, Texas, and

00:28:28.059 --> 00:28:31.339
we go on our honeymoon to Mexico for a week,

00:28:31.339 --> 00:28:35.099
and we come back. And his mother, her name was

00:28:35.099 --> 00:28:38.440
Ali Marie, God bless her, she said, we're gonna

00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:40.099
go down to the church, I need you to go with

00:28:40.099 --> 00:28:41.700
me. And I said, for what? She said, you're gonna

00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:44.720
be baptized. I said, no I'm not. She said, you're

00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:46.680
going to be baptized again. I said, we'll not

00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:49.380
be baptized again. I've been baptized two times,

00:28:49.539 --> 00:28:51.339
why would I want to be baptized again? She said,

00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.200
you're going to the church and you're gonna be

00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:57.440
baptized correctly. I said, we argued over this.

00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.720
I'm in the car with her and I'm just lifted and

00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:05.359
we get to the church and he's waiting for us

00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.779
Pastor Moore and she gets me in this white robe

00:29:08.779 --> 00:29:11.279
and I get down in the water and Pastor Moore

00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.640
says now I'm gonna baptize you in the name of

00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:15.900
Jesus and when you come out of water you're gonna

00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:19.500
be speaking in tongues and I was like yeah so

00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:21.759
he put me under the water I came back out and

00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.619
I said see no It didn't happen. And so I said,

00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.059
are you happy to her? And she said, yes. And

00:29:28.059 --> 00:29:31.079
I left. Now, when we get back to Dallas, when

00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.019
it's time to go to church, we don't go to the

00:29:33.019 --> 00:29:34.619
right and go to my church. We go to the left.

00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:36.000
Because my husband said, no, we're not going

00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.380
that church anymore. We're going to go to this

00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:39.960
church. That was John Kershaw's church. He's

00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.640
a very famous pastor. He's dead now. And his

00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.339
church was in Richardson, Texas. There's just

00:29:46.339 --> 00:29:47.920
not enough wonderful things you can say about

00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.900
this man. But anyway, I'm going to that church

00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:53.099
for about a year and I see some strange things

00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:55.240
going on there. A lot of people are talking in

00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.599
tongues. A lot of people are getting healed of

00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.400
this and that. And I'm thinking, you know, these

00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.319
are nice people and these things are really happening.

00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:06.259
I'm seeing it. So it's been about a year and

00:30:06.259 --> 00:30:10.480
there's a wonderful evangelist called Lee Stoneking.

00:30:10.779 --> 00:30:13.380
He's world famous. He had come there several

00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:16.119
times. and John Kershaw were friends. He was

00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:18.519
there that Sunday when I showed up. And he's

00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.819
up there, he claps really loud, it hurts your

00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:22.700
ears, you know, you're like, oh man. And it's

00:30:22.700 --> 00:30:24.200
just before the service and he's going through

00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:26.119
this rigmarole and he's laughing, he's praising

00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.039
God and he stopped and he said, you, right back

00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.480
there. And this is the beginning. And he said,

00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.720
Lord just spoke to me and said, you have not

00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:36.740
received the gift of the Holy Ghost. And all

00:30:36.740 --> 00:30:38.700
these heads are turning, there's 500 people there

00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:40.460
and I'm sitting on the back row with a wall behind

00:30:40.460 --> 00:30:44.210
me. And the waves split. He said, you. Now I'm

00:30:44.210 --> 00:30:46.289
Baptist, okay? If I had a hat, I'd pull it down

00:30:46.289 --> 00:30:47.849
over my head, and I didn't want to walk down

00:30:47.849 --> 00:30:51.109
that aisle. But I did. I get down there, and

00:30:51.109 --> 00:30:53.269
he's real tall, he's 6 '6 anyway, and he's standing

00:30:53.269 --> 00:30:55.849
on the second step, so he looks like he's eight

00:30:55.849 --> 00:30:59.230
feet tall, and I'm looking up like this, and

00:30:59.230 --> 00:31:00.970
he says, now I'm going to anoint your forehead

00:31:00.970 --> 00:31:03.849
with oil, and you're going to keep your hands

00:31:03.849 --> 00:31:05.890
up like this, and you're going to say, hallelujah,

00:31:06.089 --> 00:31:08.450
hallelujah, and you're going to receive the baptism

00:31:08.450 --> 00:31:12.980
of the Holy Ghost. And I was like, okay. I said,

00:31:12.980 --> 00:31:17.299
sure. I mean, I didn't believe it at all. I didn't

00:31:17.299 --> 00:31:20.319
think I needed it. But anyway, I'm going along

00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:24.000
with it. So I do this. The minute that man touched

00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.539
me with that oil, I went someplace. I mean, I

00:31:28.539 --> 00:31:31.720
was like, I was like lifted up and my hands and

00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.680
my arms went like this and wham! My ring flew

00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:37.799
off my hand hit the wall on the other side of

00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:42.309
the building. And I... I was so shocked and I

00:31:42.309 --> 00:31:44.549
tried to say did you see that or what's happening

00:31:44.549 --> 00:31:46.690
and every time I've been trying to speak this

00:31:46.690 --> 00:31:49.150
this language is coming out of my mouth and I'm

00:31:49.150 --> 00:31:51.890
trying every time I'm and I'm doing I'm trying

00:31:51.890 --> 00:31:56.829
to stop it and he said don't try to stop it that's

00:31:56.829 --> 00:32:00.230
the Holy Spirit praying through you to God the

00:32:00.230 --> 00:32:03.829
Father for you never quench the spirit well I

00:32:03.829 --> 00:32:07.650
had the Holy Ghost that was the beginning of

00:32:07.650 --> 00:32:11.150
a unbelievable life that was about to occur.

00:32:11.690 --> 00:32:15.410
And I couldn't believe it happened. I was on

00:32:15.410 --> 00:32:18.690
fire. I mean, in the job I had, I met so many

00:32:18.690 --> 00:32:21.710
people. And I brought many people to the church.

00:32:21.809 --> 00:32:25.089
Now, this pastor had something that he said,

00:32:25.150 --> 00:32:27.390
if you want a really special relationship with

00:32:27.390 --> 00:32:29.710
God, you want to fast one day a week on liquids.

00:32:30.509 --> 00:32:32.349
And then after six o 'clock, pray for an hour

00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:34.130
here in the church. And then in the morning,

00:32:34.369 --> 00:32:37.089
between three and six, And people who know the

00:32:37.089 --> 00:32:39.069
Bible know what that means between 3 a .m. and

00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:42.950
6 a .m. You want to try to, as a sacrifice, roll

00:32:42.950 --> 00:32:44.529
out of bed, because it's going to hurt to do

00:32:44.529 --> 00:32:46.029
it, and go in there and mumble around on the

00:32:46.029 --> 00:32:47.549
floor and cry around on your knees and praise

00:32:47.549 --> 00:32:50.509
God. And I did all that. You know, it's hard.

00:32:50.549 --> 00:32:53.269
It's hard to do. So I was doing all that. I come

00:32:53.269 --> 00:32:57.589
to church after I had... I sat at a drawing table

00:32:57.589 --> 00:33:01.269
all the time as my landscape job, and I had a

00:33:01.269 --> 00:33:05.019
severe back pain. I'm thinking it's because I

00:33:05.019 --> 00:33:06.880
have to I have to work this table all the time

00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.740
I've been over this table so I go to the doctor

00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:11.380
and He starts running all these tests and for

00:33:11.380 --> 00:33:14.740
that week and it was several tests He ran I go

00:33:14.740 --> 00:33:17.339
I think it's three four times a week that one

00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:19.859
week. I was there at least four times I'm telling

00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:22.259
them all about the Holy Ghost. I'm telling them

00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:24.619
all about Jesus. I'm telling and you know, they

00:33:24.619 --> 00:33:26.559
were doing this Oh my god, I can't wait to sleep

00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:29.240
probably. I mean, I never saw that but I was

00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:33.190
I couldn't shut up so That Sunday we go to church

00:33:33.190 --> 00:33:35.890
and the pastor didn't come out like he normally

00:33:35.890 --> 00:33:38.329
does. He was late. We were all wondering. He

00:33:38.329 --> 00:33:41.089
did come out and he was crying. He said, God

00:33:41.089 --> 00:33:43.470
just told me that we're going to believe for

00:33:43.470 --> 00:33:46.490
a miracle today or someone's going to die. Everybody

00:33:46.490 --> 00:33:49.750
in the church was like, wow. And brother, did

00:33:49.750 --> 00:33:52.730
he preach a sermon? I mean, the wind was blowing.

00:33:53.150 --> 00:33:54.930
The Holy Spirit was blowing people's hair. It

00:33:54.930 --> 00:33:57.970
was quite a deal. And he said, Kay, I want you

00:33:57.970 --> 00:34:01.869
to come down here. And I was like, me? And he

00:34:01.869 --> 00:34:06.769
said, you. Okay, so I go down there and somebody's

00:34:06.769 --> 00:34:09.889
gonna die and it's me. So I go down to the front

00:34:09.889 --> 00:34:12.510
and he said, I'm gonna knock your head with oil

00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:15.230
and you're gonna be healed. I said, of what?

00:34:15.369 --> 00:34:17.750
He said, I don't know, but you're gonna be healed.

00:34:18.469 --> 00:34:22.269
And so I said, okay. And so I'm praising God.

00:34:22.309 --> 00:34:25.590
He puts the oil on my head. Now, at that instant,

00:34:25.650 --> 00:34:28.539
I close my eyes. somebody came up from behind

00:34:28.539 --> 00:34:30.760
me and they put their arms around me and held

00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.760
me and I was just I thought that is so nice that

00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.900
someone here would do that and I went away somewhere

00:34:37.900 --> 00:34:40.400
because I didn't hear it's a large crowd of people

00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.679
500 people you know clapping and praising God

00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.260
but I didn't hear anything I was in a special

00:34:45.260 --> 00:34:48.639
place because eventually like from a far distance

00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.579
I could hear them and they got louder and louder

00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:53.849
and now I'm back I was going to go over here

00:34:53.849 --> 00:34:56.269
to the right because on that front row is a little

00:34:56.269 --> 00:34:58.809
lady that's the prayer warrior in that church.

00:34:59.090 --> 00:35:01.230
And I thought that was her that had done that.

00:35:01.590 --> 00:35:05.329
And so I went over to her to thank her. And before

00:35:05.329 --> 00:35:07.690
I could say anything, she said, I know he healed

00:35:07.690 --> 00:35:10.769
you because I saw Jesus hold you in his arms.

00:35:11.409 --> 00:35:16.730
Okay, so I leave the church. I don't have a backache

00:35:16.730 --> 00:35:18.829
at all. I feel great. Everybody's saying, look

00:35:18.829 --> 00:35:20.630
at her collar. Look at her collar. She looks

00:35:20.630 --> 00:35:23.429
different. And then I get a call from the doctor

00:35:23.429 --> 00:35:26.130
the next day, which I think was a Monday, and

00:35:26.130 --> 00:35:28.110
they said, why did you miss your appointment

00:35:28.110 --> 00:35:31.289
to come back in? And I said, I don't think I

00:35:31.289 --> 00:35:34.150
forgot, you know? Well, you need to come back

00:35:34.150 --> 00:35:36.610
in immediately and you need to bring your husband.

00:35:37.269 --> 00:35:39.710
And I said, why would I need to bring my husband?

00:35:40.010 --> 00:35:41.909
That's our protocol and you need to bring your

00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:46.480
husband. I said, fine. So I went back in and

00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.239
I'm sitting, I can still see the man, my husband's

00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.179
here. He said, you have stage four cancer that's

00:35:53.179 --> 00:35:56.460
visible to the naked eye because it has eaten

00:35:56.460 --> 00:35:59.260
through the cervix. And I've scheduled surgery

00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:03.280
two days from now. And I said, no, I don't have

00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.500
cancer. I was healed on Sunday. And he said,

00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:08.699
I don't think you understand. You're going to

00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:11.309
die. if you don't have this surgery and have

00:36:11.309 --> 00:36:13.170
something done about this." And I said, I'm not

00:36:13.170 --> 00:36:17.110
having it. He said, listen, I'll pay for every

00:36:17.110 --> 00:36:19.269
one of these tests out of my own pocket to prove

00:36:19.269 --> 00:36:21.610
to you because it's visible to the naked eye.

00:36:22.090 --> 00:36:26.110
And I said, okay. We got around to the test that's

00:36:26.110 --> 00:36:29.369
called a wet melt. And most women will know what

00:36:29.369 --> 00:36:32.090
that is, but you're in the stirrups and so forth.

00:36:32.369 --> 00:36:35.269
And the doctor had a nurse, the same nurse that

00:36:35.269 --> 00:36:36.989
was standing behind him when they did it the

00:36:36.989 --> 00:36:40.590
first time. They're ready to look at it, and

00:36:40.590 --> 00:36:46.429
I hear the nurse say, it's gone. And he said,

00:36:46.949 --> 00:36:49.690
you're right, it's gone. And those people were

00:36:49.690 --> 00:36:52.250
crying when I left, because they saw a miracle.

00:36:52.949 --> 00:36:56.269
They knew they saw a miracle. I never knew I

00:36:56.269 --> 00:36:58.690
had it. I wondered about that for years, and

00:36:58.690 --> 00:37:02.769
I think I know that I was a baby Christian. When

00:37:02.769 --> 00:37:06.030
they tell you you got cancer, it's hard to believe

00:37:06.030 --> 00:37:09.679
your way out of that. And I believe he healed

00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:14.019
me before I could get in that position. But anyway,

00:37:14.019 --> 00:37:17.619
he healed me of cancer. Now, I'm coming back

00:37:17.619 --> 00:37:21.679
from the greenhouses in Frisco, Texas. In Texas,

00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:24.579
we have windbreaks from the, what do they call

00:37:24.579 --> 00:37:28.400
it, the dust bowl. Where are you at? I'm in Utah.

00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.260
I live up in the mountains in Utah. They planted

00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:33.480
trees at angles here in Texas because of the

00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.500
dust bowl, and they're big trees, or were. I

00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:37.909
think they've cut most of them down. So I'm driving

00:37:37.909 --> 00:37:40.670
along and I'm doing probably 50, 60, 70, I don't

00:37:40.670 --> 00:37:42.949
know what the speed limit was. All of a sudden

00:37:42.949 --> 00:37:47.289
on my right shoulder, there's a tap twice, too

00:37:47.289 --> 00:37:53.289
hard tap. And I screamed and looked back, came

00:37:53.289 --> 00:37:55.969
back around, stood on the brake. There was a

00:37:55.969 --> 00:37:58.030
freight train coming out of that behind those

00:37:58.030 --> 00:38:01.579
trees that I couldn't see going full speed. Now

00:38:01.579 --> 00:38:04.260
I'm driving a Volvo, thank God, because I'm standing

00:38:04.260 --> 00:38:06.139
on the brakes, and I don't know much about cars,

00:38:06.219 --> 00:38:09.519
but once you brake really hard, normally the

00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.440
car does this. Volvo's don't do that, thank God,

00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.940
but you get to the point where you just float.

00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.000
There's no more stopping, you just float. And

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.199
so I floated and floated and floated, and that

00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.519
thing's doing 80 miles an hour, and I was that

00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:26.320
close to that train when it stopped. That tap

00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.420
saved my life. That's one of the many things

00:38:29.420 --> 00:38:32.860
that he did, of course. I want to go on now because

00:38:32.860 --> 00:38:37.420
this is going for five years. My husband, I had

00:38:37.420 --> 00:38:39.400
married and my husband didn't have a job in the

00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:42.159
whole time we were married. And so I'm driving

00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.820
to work to the landscape company and God spoke

00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:47.679
to me from the back seat of my car. He said,

00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.780
Kay, I want you to quit your job. It didn't scare

00:38:50.780 --> 00:38:53.840
me. I pulled over to the side of the road and

00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.219
I said, don't you understand? I cannot quit my

00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:59.519
job. I just bought a home, my husband's not working,

00:38:59.659 --> 00:39:03.699
and I can't do it. He said, you don't understand.

00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.719
I'm going to give you your own business, and

00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.820
your first clients will be Southwest Airlines,

00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:11.179
TransWestern Property, and Bonanza Corporation.

00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:14.500
And I sat there. I had never thought of working

00:39:14.500 --> 00:39:17.559
for myself. I'd been in North Haven for three

00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.239
years. I loved it there, but there was a lot

00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.179
of... The designers there, we all worked at a

00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:27.340
round table. There was a lot of raw jokes and,

00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.260
you know, it was not always a pleasant place

00:39:30.260 --> 00:39:33.940
for a Christian person to be. And I had had that

00:39:33.940 --> 00:39:35.659
feeling, you need to get your job, but I ignored

00:39:35.659 --> 00:39:38.679
it, of course. I didn't say anything. I drove

00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:40.820
my car straight to the office. I walked in, and

00:39:40.820 --> 00:39:42.699
David was there, and I walked in. I sat down

00:39:42.699 --> 00:39:45.500
and said, David, I have to quit. I said, I have

00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:47.699
to. And I didn't tell him the truth. I said,

00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.880
I need to spend more time with my children. David

00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.599
Pinkus, they were a little Jewish family. I loved

00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.880
them. They were so kind to me. They wore the

00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.480
little skull cap, and I didn't want to go. David

00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.639
had called me into the office and told me, God,

00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.980
I quit talking about Jesus and angels because

00:40:03.980 --> 00:40:06.900
the foremen are complaining, okay? He said, I'm

00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:10.159
a Jew. I understand, you know, but my division

00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:11.880
practically carried that whole company in the

00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.280
dark. I mean, in the black. So, you know, he,

00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.780
and he wasn't, he wasn't berating me about it.

00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.239
but in a very jolly way telling me to quit doing

00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:25.000
this, okay? So, okay. Anyway, I go home after

00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.300
I quit, and for two weeks I crawled to my hands

00:40:28.300 --> 00:40:30.980
and knees crying thinking, what am I going to

00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:34.840
do? But I was obedient, okay? All I knew was

00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.579
he was talking to me. The phone rang. It was

00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:40.739
Howard Putnam, president of Southwest Airlines.

00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:42.679
He said, we only want you. Will you contract

00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.639
with us? I said, I will. Yes, I will, Howard.

00:40:46.659 --> 00:40:48.719
And the next two... called the same day, within

00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.440
two hours, president of both companies. Will

00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.880
you contract with us? We only want you. I said

00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:56.219
yes. That's a lot of money that I was contracting

00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:59.940
for, okay? Two days later, I'm sued by North

00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:02.780
Haven Gardens for non -compete. So I go down

00:41:02.780 --> 00:41:05.880
to Lovefield, walk into Southwest Airlines, walk

00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.639
into Howard's office. I lay down and I say, I

00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:09.860
said I can't contract with you, Howard, because,

00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.159
well, they're suing me for non -compete. He picked

00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.599
it up and he looked at it. He said, you just

00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.500
give me a minute. So he's on the telephone. David,

00:41:18.980 --> 00:41:21.760
yeah. Tower, how you doing? They're talking for

00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.400
Yale. I see a case here. Looks like you've filed

00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.880
a suit here. Uh -huh. Yeah, well, what I want

00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.380
you to know is that she has every attorney here

00:41:30.380 --> 00:41:32.739
at Southwest Airlines to fight this suit for

00:41:32.739 --> 00:41:36.519
her at no charge to her whatsoever. Yale, that's

00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.599
right. Okay, I'll tell her. He hung up and he

00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:46.389
said, they dropped the suit. Wow, this is amazing.

00:41:46.489 --> 00:41:49.449
This is pretty cool. I did have one quick question,

00:41:49.849 --> 00:41:53.369
and that is, you had mentioned that God spoke

00:41:53.369 --> 00:41:57.130
to you audibly four different times. So how many

00:41:57.130 --> 00:42:01.309
have we heard so far? One. Okay, so there's a

00:42:01.309 --> 00:42:03.750
lot more to go. All right, here we go. That's

00:42:03.750 --> 00:42:06.289
pretty cool about the lawyers in Southwest Airlines,

00:42:06.349 --> 00:42:09.449
by the way. Yes, that was, yeah. And where were

00:42:09.449 --> 00:42:13.409
we? I was at Howard's office. I mean, I've owned

00:42:13.409 --> 00:42:15.849
that business now for a couple of years, myself.

00:42:16.630 --> 00:42:19.969
And for some reason, I want to move back to Colorado.

00:42:20.090 --> 00:42:22.130
I had lived in Colorado, and I hate the heat

00:42:22.130 --> 00:42:25.030
in Texas. I didn't want to be here anymore. My

00:42:25.030 --> 00:42:27.630
husband and I were praying about it, and you

00:42:27.630 --> 00:42:30.650
know, I did get an answer, and shockingly, I

00:42:30.650 --> 00:42:33.130
didn't see the answer until I reviewed it for

00:42:33.130 --> 00:42:35.110
this interview that he answered, and it's been

00:42:35.110 --> 00:42:39.550
40 years. Because of that, This whole thing kind

00:42:39.550 --> 00:42:42.250
of flips around because God gave me a business

00:42:42.250 --> 00:42:46.750
and I decided I didn't want it. I wanted to do

00:42:46.750 --> 00:42:48.750
that work, but I didn't want to do it in Texas.

00:42:49.210 --> 00:42:53.030
I wanted to go to Colorado. I didn't think I

00:42:53.030 --> 00:42:56.329
heard from Him. So we fly to Colorado Springs.

00:42:56.650 --> 00:42:59.730
We're going to buy a home there. On the airplane,

00:42:59.889 --> 00:43:01.409
which was Frontier, I was reading about the Shroud

00:43:01.409 --> 00:43:04.389
of Turin and how the scientists had put together

00:43:04.389 --> 00:43:06.869
an image of Christ of the Shroud of Turin and

00:43:06.869 --> 00:43:08.489
that there was three of those in the world. One

00:43:08.489 --> 00:43:10.190
was in the Vatican, one was at the Air Force

00:43:10.190 --> 00:43:12.389
Academy there on Colorado Springs. I wanted to

00:43:12.389 --> 00:43:15.230
see it so badly. And the lady wouldn't stop.

00:43:15.230 --> 00:43:17.829
She wouldn't stop, she wouldn't stop. And now

00:43:17.829 --> 00:43:19.989
it's time for us to go back. And so we go back

00:43:19.989 --> 00:43:22.690
to the hotel room and I was like, I wanted to

00:43:22.690 --> 00:43:24.789
see that so badly. I can't believe we couldn't.

00:43:24.789 --> 00:43:27.329
It was right there. I'm driving past it. And

00:43:27.329 --> 00:43:30.829
so He said, well, you know, we'll see it next

00:43:30.829 --> 00:43:35.449
time or whatever. I said, that didn't suit me.

00:43:35.550 --> 00:43:38.389
So I get up the next morning and we had snow.

00:43:38.690 --> 00:43:41.610
They canceled our flight. So we rent a car and

00:43:41.610 --> 00:43:43.929
we drive around. We wind up at some town homes

00:43:43.929 --> 00:43:46.170
that they're building across from the Air Force

00:43:46.170 --> 00:43:49.269
Academy. And we're sitting in the snow and facing

00:43:49.269 --> 00:43:51.150
the freeway in the Air Force Academy. Somebody

00:43:51.150 --> 00:43:53.469
knocks on the window, a tall guy with dark hair.

00:43:53.510 --> 00:43:55.070
He says, are you thinking about buying something

00:43:55.070 --> 00:43:58.360
here? And we said, yes. And he said, But I said,

00:43:58.500 --> 00:44:01.139
there's no one here because of snow that could

00:44:01.139 --> 00:44:03.619
show us a home. My wife just cleaned. If you

00:44:03.619 --> 00:44:05.539
want to come in, you can come in and see ours,

00:44:05.699 --> 00:44:09.320
if you want to. And we looked, oh, OK. And so

00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.900
we walk in the door. And the first door on the

00:44:11.900 --> 00:44:14.019
left, which would normally be an office or a

00:44:14.019 --> 00:44:16.860
guest room, there were papers that were stacked

00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:19.900
high, little, whatever, like checkers, so you

00:44:19.900 --> 00:44:22.159
could walk over it. And so I look at that, and

00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:23.820
then I look up in the lightswap, and there's

00:44:23.820 --> 00:44:25.639
that image of Christ in that corner that I wanted

00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.690
to see. And I just walked over and I'm standing

00:44:30.690 --> 00:44:34.170
in front of him and I'm in awe. Let me tell you

00:44:34.170 --> 00:44:36.769
what, he was five feet 11. He had shoulders like

00:44:36.769 --> 00:44:41.389
this. He was a linebacker. I mean, he was buff.

00:44:42.030 --> 00:44:44.650
But I'm looking at him and I actually touched

00:44:44.650 --> 00:44:46.969
it, which I shouldn't have done. And I'm in the

00:44:46.969 --> 00:44:49.110
spirit apparently, because I'm unaware. I mean,

00:44:49.110 --> 00:44:50.769
I'm in a stranger's home. I should have never

00:44:50.769 --> 00:44:54.469
done that. And this man beside me, he says, and

00:44:54.469 --> 00:44:56.590
what do you think caused the image on the shroud?

00:44:57.089 --> 00:44:59.750
And I said, I'll tell you exactly what caused

00:44:59.750 --> 00:45:03.210
it. It was a burst of radiation, like in Nagasaki,

00:45:04.250 --> 00:45:05.789
when it showed the images of the people. He said,

00:45:05.829 --> 00:45:07.670
did you know you're right, but we can't tell

00:45:07.670 --> 00:45:10.050
people until we can prove it. And he held out

00:45:10.050 --> 00:45:13.230
his hand and he says, I'm Dr. John Jackson. That's

00:45:13.230 --> 00:45:16.170
the man that's in charge of the whole straddle

00:45:16.170 --> 00:45:18.849
sharing project, and he has been. He was the

00:45:18.849 --> 00:45:21.269
one that invented the VPA analyzer for NASA.

00:45:21.579 --> 00:45:24.679
and that's how he made the 3D image. So it wasn't

00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:26.860
good enough that I could go stand 10 feet away.

00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:29.719
God brought me to the scientist's door to see

00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.920
that thing because he knew I wanted to see it.

00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.940
So we buy a home in Colorado Springs in Palmer

00:45:34.940 --> 00:45:37.880
Lake on Virginia Avenue, beautiful solar envelope,

00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:41.460
and we sold our home in Allen, Texas. We had

00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:44.420
a hard time finding a place to rent. A man on

00:45:44.420 --> 00:45:47.579
the telephone. That was God told us to call this

00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:49.539
number or give you what you want. It's a beautiful

00:45:49.539 --> 00:45:51.860
place on Abrams over by the Dallas Cowboys I

00:45:51.860 --> 00:45:54.159
said we can't afford to live there He said oh,

00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:56.099
yeah, you can because you can live there for

00:45:56.099 --> 00:45:57.719
free You just need to mow the lawn and we had

00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.739
a service anyway for seven houses. I said, oh,

00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:03.039
okay I'll do it, but you have to leave by October.

00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.400
So we agreed now in that period of time We tried

00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.820
to sell the business and my CPA wanted to buy

00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:12.219
that business So I go to the CPA me and my husband

00:46:12.219 --> 00:46:16.510
and we work out the deal of that purchase Unfortunately,

00:46:16.909 --> 00:46:19.090
when we come back the next morning, everything

00:46:19.090 --> 00:46:21.150
on that paperwork has been changed. We're both

00:46:21.150 --> 00:46:25.170
angry at each other, and the deal is off. They're

00:46:25.170 --> 00:46:29.269
having a going -away party that day at a couple's

00:46:29.269 --> 00:46:31.789
house somewhere in Richardson. I think it was

00:46:31.789 --> 00:46:33.230
Nancy. I don't remember her name, but they're

00:46:33.230 --> 00:46:36.070
from the church. Now, we didn't know this, but

00:46:36.070 --> 00:46:38.849
she said a lady came early, like four hours before

00:46:38.849 --> 00:46:40.570
we were supposed to get there. She had our name,

00:46:40.590 --> 00:46:43.090
which was a very unusual Czechoslovakian last

00:46:43.090 --> 00:46:45.630
name. She said they were going to be... here

00:46:45.630 --> 00:46:47.750
today at four o 'clock, is that right?" And she

00:46:47.750 --> 00:46:49.590
said, yes. She said, God sent me to give them

00:46:49.590 --> 00:46:52.929
a message. Can I wait? And Nancy said, yes. And

00:46:52.929 --> 00:46:54.590
she went in and she sat on the heart of that

00:46:54.590 --> 00:46:56.849
fireplace and waited for us. And when we get

00:46:56.849 --> 00:46:59.829
there, I'm sitting at a table looking at a wall

00:46:59.829 --> 00:47:01.769
and there's a big opening here where I can see

00:47:01.769 --> 00:47:04.219
into the living room where she's sitting. She

00:47:04.219 --> 00:47:06.340
never introduced herself or anything like that.

00:47:06.340 --> 00:47:08.360
She did have a heavy accent. I could hear her

00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.099
accent. But I'm sitting there telling, woe is

00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:13.420
me, poor us, this happened, you know, telling

00:47:13.420 --> 00:47:15.800
the whole deal what just happened. And then I

00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:17.880
noticed she's standing right there beside me.

00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.920
And she said, God sent me here to give you a

00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.210
message today. I heard people falling all over

00:47:24.210 --> 00:47:27.050
the house. People were dropping. I mean, there

00:47:27.050 --> 00:47:29.789
had to be 20, 30 people there. They're falling

00:47:29.789 --> 00:47:33.409
on their faces. I'm sitting at a table, so I

00:47:33.409 --> 00:47:36.590
can't fall down. And I look up, and I see this

00:47:36.590 --> 00:47:39.769
gray mist, and it pushes me down on the table

00:47:39.769 --> 00:47:42.730
like this. And I turn to look at her, and her

00:47:42.730 --> 00:47:45.710
head goes back, and the anguish comes out. It's

00:47:45.710 --> 00:47:49.750
a male voice that said, Kay, I love you so much.

00:47:50.500 --> 00:47:53.960
Your business did not sell because I gave it

00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:58.619
to you. My seal is upon it If you wish to move

00:47:58.619 --> 00:48:01.719
to Colorado You and your husband have to seek

00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.179
my face at a family altar and I'll reveal the

00:48:04.179 --> 00:48:07.219
answer to you For the first time he would pray

00:48:07.219 --> 00:48:10.519
with me So we set up a family altar and the next

00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:13.139
morning we had He had a big Bible that was a

00:48:13.139 --> 00:48:15.559
family Bible with a really hard heavy top and

00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.980
he it was on the desk And he hollered he called

00:48:17.980 --> 00:48:21.309
my name. He said Kay And he said, hurry come.

00:48:21.750 --> 00:48:23.989
And the Bible had opened all by itself and you

00:48:23.989 --> 00:48:27.369
could see the onion skins moving and it stopped.

00:48:27.550 --> 00:48:29.610
I don't know the verse. I know what it said.

00:48:29.789 --> 00:48:33.590
I have seen your sacrifice or your works, meaning

00:48:33.590 --> 00:48:38.150
your prayer, and you may go with the wife of

00:48:38.150 --> 00:48:41.329
your youth to wherever you wish to go and I will

00:48:41.329 --> 00:48:44.230
bless your hand at anything you do. So that was

00:48:44.230 --> 00:48:47.889
the okay to move. Now the reason I've saved this

00:48:47.889 --> 00:48:51.599
for the last, is because when I work for the

00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.059
landscape company, I had a very important appointment

00:48:55.059 --> 00:48:58.219
with a reinsurance company there in the Dallas

00:48:58.219 --> 00:49:01.079
area with the president of that corporation to

00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:04.579
sign a contract for service. And when I show

00:49:04.579 --> 00:49:08.019
up for that office meeting, they take me into

00:49:08.019 --> 00:49:11.940
a conference room, all glass, and I'm sitting

00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:14.340
with a door behind me and it's just me with my

00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:17.480
contract and a pen in my hand. And I hear the

00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.679
door open and I don't remember that it was a

00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:22.639
woman, that it was going to be a woman, but it

00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:27.159
was. And she's crying. And I'm facing forward

00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:31.099
and I'm like, and she's really crying and it's

00:49:31.099 --> 00:49:32.900
getting worse. And I'm thinking, I mean, it was

00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:34.820
almost comical. I don't know what to do here.

00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.360
I'm thinking, do I laugh? I didn't want to embarrass

00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:40.300
her. And then it was serious. She is, she's broken

00:49:40.300 --> 00:49:43.519
down and she's making her way to me and she's

00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.159
standing right here. Facing me and I didn't look

00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:49.920
at her because I don't want to embarrass her

00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.800
and I'm I'm thinking what is going on my hand

00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:58.659
with that pen starts jumping up and down and

00:49:58.659 --> 00:50:03.219
I looked over at that and I'm thinking Why and

00:50:03.219 --> 00:50:06.039
then it's my whole arm and I try to hold it and

00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.880
it threw the pen across the room and all of a

00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:12.840
sudden Through my mouth, a male voice comes out

00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.460
and speaks a language I don't understand. And

00:50:16.460 --> 00:50:19.820
then it lets me go. And I turned around and I

00:50:19.820 --> 00:50:24.440
said, please don't call my boss. Whatever you

00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.519
do, don't call Mr. Brinkus, okay? And she said,

00:50:27.539 --> 00:50:30.780
don't worry. That's the prayer I have prayed

00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:34.119
for 10 years for an answer to that prayer. And

00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:36.739
I said, well, I couldn't understand a word. Can

00:50:36.739 --> 00:50:40.940
you tell me what he said? And she said, yes.

00:50:40.980 --> 00:50:43.820
She said, my husband is a Baptist. We've been

00:50:43.820 --> 00:50:46.659
married for 10 years. And I started my own Bible

00:50:46.659 --> 00:50:49.039
study. And I came to the conclusion that there's

00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.960
certain things you must do to be saved. And she

00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.179
said, he refuses to do it. And he has threatened

00:50:55.179 --> 00:50:57.940
to divorce me if I go to a church that does this.

00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.960
And I said, well, what did he tell you? She said,

00:51:00.980 --> 00:51:03.760
he told me, unless I'm baptized in the name of

00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:05.599
Jesus and filled with the Holy Spirit, I'll never

00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.380
see the kingdom of heaven. And that is the true

00:51:08.380 --> 00:51:12.150
gospel. And you will find that after Matthew,

00:51:12.269 --> 00:51:15.369
Mark, Luke, and John, you will not find the gospel

00:51:15.369 --> 00:51:17.730
except in the book of Mark, the last page. Those

00:51:17.730 --> 00:51:20.289
are the last words of Jesus Christ, where he

00:51:20.289 --> 00:51:22.829
tells you, those who believe and are baptized

00:51:22.829 --> 00:51:26.170
shall be saved, the Son shall follow them. They

00:51:26.170 --> 00:51:29.750
will speak with a new tongue. They will lay hands

00:51:29.750 --> 00:51:34.929
on the sick. They shall recover. If they touch

00:51:34.929 --> 00:51:37.210
or drink any deadly thing, it will not harm them.

00:51:37.389 --> 00:51:39.730
He explains it right there. That's as he was

00:51:39.730 --> 00:51:42.250
sending into heaven. Now Matthew, Mark, Luke,

00:51:42.269 --> 00:51:45.730
and John are just a story of Jesus with his life

00:51:45.730 --> 00:51:50.010
from their four viewpoints. But after the last

00:51:50.010 --> 00:51:52.969
page of Mark into Revelation, the book of Revelation,

00:51:53.130 --> 00:51:55.309
you will not find one person that's not baptized

00:51:55.309 --> 00:51:59.250
in the name of Jesus, not Father, Son, and Holy

00:51:59.250 --> 00:52:02.889
Ghost. And that is the difference. Now, that's

00:52:02.889 --> 00:52:04.889
usually a Pentecostal church and some assembly

00:52:04.889 --> 00:52:07.710
of gods that will do that. I went to Richardson,

00:52:08.110 --> 00:52:11.510
Texas. John Kershaw was a Pentecostal. But they

00:52:11.510 --> 00:52:16.789
have onerous holiness rules for women that I've

00:52:16.789 --> 00:52:19.150
never agreed with. And I don't find it in the

00:52:19.150 --> 00:52:22.090
Bible. And John Kershaw never judged me on that.

00:52:22.510 --> 00:52:25.059
And so... She asked me, I said, you know, this

00:52:25.059 --> 00:52:26.840
is the day that I fast and I'm about to leave

00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:28.300
and I'll go to the church and I'll pray for you.

00:52:28.340 --> 00:52:29.659
And she says, no, you won't. I'm going to get

00:52:29.659 --> 00:52:31.559
my purse and I'm going with you. And she did

00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:34.699
and she was baptized. Let me get back to another

00:52:34.699 --> 00:52:37.440
time that God spoke to me. I'm asleep. It's 5

00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:41.579
a .m. A hand is right here. I thought it was

00:52:41.579 --> 00:52:43.820
one of the kids. I woke up. They're all asleep.

00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.719
I don't know what's going on. I come back and

00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:52.309
I knew something touched me. So I'm like, I'm

00:52:52.309 --> 00:52:55.369
being sneaky. I'm gonna doze off and I did and

00:52:55.369 --> 00:52:57.550
I felt it again and I said I'm not gonna open

00:52:57.550 --> 00:53:00.130
my eyes and I sat up and then open my eyes and

00:53:00.130 --> 00:53:04.030
it was a hand from here on it was a hand it was

00:53:04.030 --> 00:53:09.130
white and it was disappearing and I'm sitting

00:53:09.130 --> 00:53:13.090
like this like I know I saw that and I heard

00:53:13.090 --> 00:53:25.010
this James 4 and I'm like James 4 for I am the

00:53:25.010 --> 00:53:31.269
Lord your God and it sounded so loud and so angry

00:53:31.269 --> 00:53:34.230
and so fierce I jumped up running in place and

00:53:34.230 --> 00:53:37.429
screaming and my husband walked up and said I

00:53:37.429 --> 00:53:39.110
told him he said get the Bible it's the book

00:53:39.110 --> 00:53:43.690
of James and I did it starts off with who do

00:53:43.690 --> 00:53:46.670
you think you are and he goes into all kinds

00:53:46.670 --> 00:53:49.809
of things that I was doing wrong And in the end,

00:53:50.010 --> 00:53:51.949
it said, who are you to say I'm gonna go here

00:53:51.949 --> 00:53:54.269
and get gain and do this and move to this place

00:53:54.269 --> 00:53:56.429
and do that place and get gain? Well, you should

00:53:56.429 --> 00:53:59.150
say, if God is willing, I will do these things.

00:54:00.070 --> 00:54:02.610
Okay, so what do I do? I call John Kershaw at

00:54:02.610 --> 00:54:05.090
five in the morning. I'm crying, I'm hysterical.

00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.519
You know, he screamed at me, he told me this,

00:54:07.619 --> 00:54:10.480
and he's laughing the whole time. And I'm trying

00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:12.599
to ignore that, and I'm trying to tell him everything

00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:14.800
that God said, and what this says in James 4,

00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:18.360
and what does it mean for my life. And he's laughing,

00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:21.400
and I said, Brother Kershaw, why are you laughing

00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.460
at me? He said, oh honey, don't you understand?

00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.699
God testizes those that he loves, and he sure

00:54:27.699 --> 00:54:32.840
loves you. So, here's what happened. I moved

00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:36.860
to Colorado, my husband didn't. I moved to Colorado

00:54:36.860 --> 00:54:39.300
because we bought the home and he was going to

00:54:39.300 --> 00:54:40.900
stay there and run the business, come home on

00:54:40.900 --> 00:54:43.619
the weekend or once a month until we started

00:54:43.619 --> 00:54:45.739
another business in Denver, which I did start.

00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.519
Unfortunately, he was living single while I was

00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:51.900
living married. So basically the marriage was

00:54:51.900 --> 00:54:55.019
over. Now God tried to warn me. He gave me a

00:54:55.019 --> 00:54:57.760
dream. I'm driving, I'm riding a bicycle and

00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.400
I'm in deep gravel. It's getting deeper on the

00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.440
thing. And he said, unless you turn around and

00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.139
go the other way, Satan will overtake you. And

00:55:05.139 --> 00:55:07.159
I turned around and Satan was behind me on a

00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:08.900
bicycle. He was grinning because he was going

00:55:08.900 --> 00:55:12.099
to overtake me. Also, I took my children. We

00:55:12.099 --> 00:55:13.860
went to church. The first day we walked into

00:55:13.860 --> 00:55:16.340
this church in Colorado Springs, everything stopped.

00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.000
They were still standing before church. And the

00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.219
pastor said, K, God told me to tell you that

00:55:21.219 --> 00:55:23.159
Satan is going to sift you like wheat and take

00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.820
everything you have away from you. And he did.

00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:29.619
I lost my husband, my daughter. I lost her to

00:55:29.619 --> 00:55:32.079
drugs and the whoring. And she died at 54 in

00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:35.019
the streets of Seattle, run over by car. I lost

00:55:35.019 --> 00:55:37.699
my pet dog that was that was ground up in front

00:55:37.699 --> 00:55:41.099
of me by a backhoe. I lost my credit. I lost

00:55:41.099 --> 00:55:43.500
my home. I lost everything and I wandered for

00:55:43.500 --> 00:55:46.519
40 years with my eyes dilated. There's not a

00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:49.159
week goes by that I don't cry myself to sleep

00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.940
over the regrets of the decision I made with

00:55:51.940 --> 00:55:54.000
the business he gave me and the life he gave

00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:58.420
me. But you know what? I came home three years

00:55:58.420 --> 00:56:04.159
ago and he ran to meet me and he had the fatted

00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.539
calf and everything was red because he had given

00:56:07.539 --> 00:56:09.780
me everything up front and I squandered it like

00:56:09.780 --> 00:56:13.519
a fool and I came home and I did this video to

00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.019
tell everybody what he did for me and he could

00:56:16.019 --> 00:56:19.300
do that for you but more importantly you must

00:56:19.300 --> 00:56:22.280
be saved or none of it matters and I've told

00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.119
you what you have to do to be saved. Nothing

00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:27.579
I love more than the story of the prodigal son

00:56:27.579 --> 00:56:30.400
so thank you for sharing. Let me ask you a couple

00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.429
of questions right now. Okay. One is earlier

00:56:34.429 --> 00:56:37.590
you mentioned and I didn't quite, I guess I just

00:56:37.590 --> 00:56:40.889
didn't quite catch the full vision. You said

00:56:40.889 --> 00:56:44.210
a near -death experience is not a true death

00:56:44.210 --> 00:56:47.789
experience. Can you explain that? Because as

00:56:47.789 --> 00:56:49.849
I told you, the Bible says that you have to seek

00:56:49.849 --> 00:56:51.909
out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

00:56:52.509 --> 00:56:54.929
He's not going to tell you. He's not going to

00:56:54.929 --> 00:56:57.050
say, Eric, you need to go back and get baptized

00:56:57.050 --> 00:56:59.030
and feel the Holy Ghost, okay? He isn't going

00:56:59.030 --> 00:57:01.909
to tell you that because you have to find it.

00:57:02.269 --> 00:57:04.090
That's why the Bible says that the road to hell

00:57:04.090 --> 00:57:07.230
is a wide freeway, but the road to salvation

00:57:07.230 --> 00:57:10.630
is a narrow trail and a low door and few shall

00:57:10.630 --> 00:57:13.030
find it. And most people don't want to find it.

00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.519
They don't want to speak in tongues. They make

00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:18.059
fun of people. And that's another thing. I didn't

00:57:18.059 --> 00:57:20.599
know this. My mother was raised Pentecostal.

00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.219
She wasn't allowed to even tell her children

00:57:23.219 --> 00:57:24.980
that she was raised Pentecostal. She had a famous

00:57:24.980 --> 00:57:27.920
Pentecostal family from the Zusa street. And

00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.300
the first thing she did is when I got the Holy

00:57:30.300 --> 00:57:32.480
Ghost, she called me crying and said, can I have

00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:35.119
it too? And she came back to Dallas and we rebaptized

00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:38.380
her. I mean, I moved quickly. There's much more.

00:57:38.900 --> 00:57:41.199
I think we got the gist of it. I know that under

00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:46.070
the time constraints. Thank you. The thing with

00:57:46.070 --> 00:57:50.449
James chapter 4, why did God sound angry? I don't

00:57:50.449 --> 00:57:53.070
picture him that way. And I know you said because

00:57:53.070 --> 00:57:56.409
you needed to be chastised, but can't he do that

00:57:56.409 --> 00:58:00.489
without sounding angry? He can, but... That was

00:58:00.489 --> 00:58:03.599
what you needed maybe? Well, it scared me. And

00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:06.280
he, I mean, it was, he was angry. And if you

00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.239
read it, it really, if you read James 4, it really

00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:11.099
does say, who do you think you are? You're nothing

00:58:11.099 --> 00:58:13.900
but, you're no more than the new mong grass in

00:58:13.900 --> 00:58:17.119
the noonday sun. Your life is nothing. And you're

00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.239
in here, apparently, we were fighting and arguing

00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.679
over whether we should sell the business and

00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:24.719
move. That's what I think, because I don't really

00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:28.039
remember. But it was over arguing and fighting.

00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.340
He said, why is all this warring among you? For

00:58:31.340 --> 00:58:33.480
some reason I've blocked out what was going on

00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:36.039
as far as the warring among us, but I don't know

00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:40.059
how to explain it. It happened. Okay. My last

00:58:40.059 --> 00:58:45.380
question is this. Why did you choose me and this

00:58:45.380 --> 00:58:48.460
platform to tell your story? So far, you're the

00:58:48.460 --> 00:58:53.300
only person that said yes. Oh, I thought you'd

00:58:53.300 --> 00:58:57.659
have something better than that. Well, I've only

00:58:57.659 --> 00:59:00.320
gone to three people and you know what else?

00:59:00.510 --> 00:59:05.849
You're accessible. Most of them are not. I sent

00:59:05.849 --> 00:59:08.949
an email to Randy K. Ministry. Do you know who

00:59:08.949 --> 00:59:11.070
that is? Yeah, I know Randy. He's been on the

00:59:11.070 --> 00:59:14.059
show. Well, I sent something he says well if

00:59:14.059 --> 00:59:17.099
you'll send me a 15 -minute video, but we have

00:59:17.099 --> 00:59:19.659
to verify everything that you tell us You know,

00:59:19.739 --> 00:59:21.420
well, they'll go to the hospital in my mall.

00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:24.800
That's fine, but it's been 40 45 years ago It's

00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.300
gonna be kind of hard to verify, you know Well,

00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:29.860
they can't give medical records out anyway to

00:59:29.860 --> 00:59:32.739
other people. So they can if I sign it Yeah,

00:59:32.739 --> 00:59:36.460
I'm willing to and kind of interestingly For

00:59:36.460 --> 00:59:40.099
those that don't know our long email conversations,

00:59:40.739 --> 00:59:43.119
there was actually a point where I told you no

00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.599
also because of a couple of things that you wanted

00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:51.179
and we worked that out. So glad we did. Yeah.

00:59:51.539 --> 00:59:54.000
Well, I'm sorry I took so long. I should have

00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.099
told you this is going to be a long one, but

00:59:56.099 --> 00:59:59.260
that's okay. It's been a pleasure and I'm glad

00:59:59.260 --> 01:00:01.940
that you had an opportunity to tell your story.

01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:05.780
because it's not that easy to get out there to

01:00:05.780 --> 01:00:07.860
reach thousands of people like you feel like

01:00:07.860 --> 01:00:11.159
you need to. And so I'm grateful that it worked

01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:15.119
out here, even though we were your last resort.

01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:20.079
You were not my last resort. You're the first

01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.440
one. You're just the first one really that I

01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:26.639
contacted. But it's not easy also to tell people

01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:32.090
what a fool you were. how sinful you are, you

01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:34.349
know, in your lifetime, you know, you don't want

01:00:34.349 --> 01:00:36.909
people to know these things, but I have to so

01:00:36.909 --> 01:00:40.070
I can get this out for him because I don't know

01:00:40.070 --> 01:00:42.590
if you know it, but the time is, the end is near.

01:00:43.150 --> 01:00:46.090
I really do believe it's near and I've watched

01:00:46.090 --> 01:00:49.630
for it for 50 years, but I've never felt like

01:00:49.630 --> 01:00:53.030
I do now. I know something's coming. Yeah, the

01:00:53.030 --> 01:00:56.010
earth is kind of a crazy place right now. You

01:00:56.010 --> 01:00:57.650
made it sound like you don't think you're going

01:00:57.650 --> 01:01:02.699
to be living that much longer. Is that just figurative,

01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:06.400
or is there something serious there? No, I don't

01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:09.179
have any illness that I'm aware of. I don't take

01:01:09.179 --> 01:01:11.739
any medication, but I'm 80. I mean, you know,

01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:15.480
it's... You can live 20, 30 more years. No problem.

01:01:16.420 --> 01:01:19.099
As long as the teeth hold up, I guess so. I don't

01:01:19.099 --> 01:01:21.719
know. You may want the end to be near, but it

01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:26.400
may not be. That's true. Anyway... Billy K. Rains,

01:01:26.619 --> 01:01:28.800
I appreciate you being with me today and being

01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.880
so willing to just open up and share everything.

01:01:32.500 --> 01:01:35.480
And for those that stuck with us this long, hey,

01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:39.480
congratulations. And obviously they're probably

01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:42.119
people that needed to hear your story. They'll

01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:43.800
know who they are. And you know what? If it's

01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:48.429
only one, I'm thrilled. Thank you, Harry. Thanks

01:01:48.429 --> 01:01:50.829
again for listening and sharing this podcast.

01:01:51.170 --> 01:01:53.510
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