#347 - Andrea's NDE Following Auto-Pedestrian Accident

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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.

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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.

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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my

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physical body because I was somewhere else.

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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't

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anything else to be felt.

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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.

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I'm back home again.

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Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and welcome to our guest.

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We're so happy to have today Andrea Currie from a little place up in Quebec, Canada.

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Will you tell us about where you live?

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It looks so beautiful from the little bit that I can see here.

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Oh, thanks, Eric.

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Hi, everybody.

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Yes, I'm in Montreal, which is an island, and I'm on the western tip of the island in

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a little, little house.

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It's a little 400 square foot house heated by the wood stove you see in the back.

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So it still hasn't been put into action yet because the weather hasn't been cooled enough,

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but soon it will.

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And it's a beautiful little spot.

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It's my sound healing studio.

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We almost fired our wood stove up last night.

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We came that close.

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We're going to try to wait till at least the first of October, but I love the heat and

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the smell and everything from it.

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And also, you know, it's good to have a secondary heat source like that.

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You never know when the power goes out.

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And I have used this wood stove to cook, not only to heat, but to cook as well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that is great.

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Tell us a little bit more about you.

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What do you do?

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What makes your day great?

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Well, I actually, I am actually a retired entrepreneur, and I fell into that by necessity.

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In fact, at the age of 37, I found myself alone with three children and no child support

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and no job.

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My grandmother, who had passed a few years before that, came to me one day and said,

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go take this picture.

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She was very specific.

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She said, go into the library, get that picture, go make a logo, we're going into business.

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And I was like, what?

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And when your dead grandmother tells you we're going into business, you don't say no.

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So I did it, believe it or not.

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And I was very tight for cash.

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And I took precious $250, made a logo, and then I said, okay, grandma, what are we doing?

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And she said, we're going to make granola because my grandmother had this recipe.

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My mother made it, and I always made it and gave it to my kids.

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So I'm walking around and thinking, okay, we're going to make granola.

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So that means I'm actually going to try and make a living selling oats.

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And what are we going to call this company?

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And so I'm thinking of all these names.

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And then I hear her again, clear as day.

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No dummy, we're going to call it Grandma Emily's granola.

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And that's what I did.

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That's her name, Emily.

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That is so sweet.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Do you still make granola?

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I actually do, but I sold the company in 2015.

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I actually bootstrapped the company, which is a really hard way to build a business.

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No bank would give me any credit.

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So I had to work really hard, turn over my stock and save, save, save.

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And I built the business, and eventually I was selling coast to coast.

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And I sold the business in 2015.

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Well, congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Now you're on E.C.

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Street, you're just rolling in the dough.

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Now I'm very careful.

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And I'm actually a sound meditation facilitator.

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And that I owe to my daughter Chloe, because my daughter Chloe passed in 2016.

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And this little room is what I rented when she passed, because I took care of her for

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the last year of her life.

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And I just couldn't stay in the same house.

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I needed a break.

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So I figured I'll come here, I'll stay a month.

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And I stayed a year and a half.

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And about five weeks after I got here, I was writing her a letter.

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And I said, Chloe, you would love this place.

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It's perfect.

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It's small, it's simple.

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It's an economy of everything.

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There's two glasses, two dishes, two plates.

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There's just, there's beauty.

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When you look out the window, I'm about 20 feet from the water's edge.

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There's birds and beavers.

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And there's, believe it or not, raccoons.

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And I got up to burn the letter in that Littlewood stove.

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And she spoke to me.

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And she said, Mom, don't burn that letter.

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And then, you know, she said, she said, Mom, and it was exactly in her voice, like perfectly

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Chloe's tone, you know, sassy and the pain in the neck.

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And she said, Mom, you're so easy to find.

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It's a joke.

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What does that mean?

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Exactly.

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I said, what do you mean?

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She said, you're light.

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And so when you pray, we actually see your light.

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Isn't that cool?

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That is really cool.

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Can you explain how you heard her?

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Was this an audible voice?

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Was this in your head?

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How did it come?

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It was in my head.

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It was audible, but it was completely clear.

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Like, I could hear everything she said perfectly.

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And what I realized at that point, you know, when you look back on your life and you connect

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the dots and you realize all really is as it should be.

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And you see all the ways that your life prepared you for what was going to come next.

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And I was prepared, actually, to hear Chloe's voice.

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What, if you don't mind my asking, what happened?

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You said you took care of her for the last year of her life.

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Was she very sick?

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She was sick, but look how life, look how the universe is so amazing.

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It's 2015 and I sell my business and I worked hard.

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I supported three kids, paid for everything.

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It was, but I loved it because it was this product that I loved to make.

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And in 2015, I sold the company.

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I put a knapsack on my back and I went to Italy.

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I figured like, finally I'm going to be a kid and have fun.

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And I was gone one month and then Chloe got sick and I came back.

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So I took care of her for the last year of her life and she had cancer.

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And at one point she's like, mom, I don't want to do chemo.

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I don't want to do anymore, anything.

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And I said, fine, we'll just try to enjoy.

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You know, one thing I learned about people who are really ill is they want to have a

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new normal day.

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Imagine, I used to ask her, what would you really like to do?

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I know we're digressing here.

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Well, just for everybody listening, we'll get into the near death experience in a minute.

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Don't worry.

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Don't worry, but I want to hear about Chloe too.

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Well, you know, even that, like the near death experience brought me all these gifts

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so that I could hear spirits so clear.

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But I didn't even know at the beginning what was happening.

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But just to finish with that, she said, mom, I want a normal day.

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I want to have a normal day.

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And I said, okay, what's a normal day?

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She was 28 when she passed.

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So she's like 27 at this point.

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She says, I want to go to the mall, imagine.

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And that's what we did.

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Would you like to hear about the near death experience now?

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Are you done with Chloe?

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Well, I'm never done with Chloe ever, ever, ever.

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Oh, no.

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So the normal day was going to the mall.

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The normal day was going to the mall, but getting her there like was not easy, you know,

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with a get a wheelchair and get her out into the wheelchair and then park the car and go

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back and get her at the door and anyhow, we went to the mall and, you know, she bought

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a scarf.

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And it was funny because there we are in the mall and people are looking at us, you know,

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and you can tell she's really not well.

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And I didn't care.

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I just wanted Chloe to have a normal day.

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That's so great.

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Yeah.

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That's a neat memory.

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Sometimes something that could be so, I don't know, simple and common as that can be such

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a neat thing.

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I'll tell you one more thing before I get into that, because this memory is actually

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really beautiful too.

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It was two days before she passed and she had been in Palliative Care already about three

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weeks.

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And that morning to go into the hospital, I needed retail therapies.

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Like I just couldn't go and just sit there again all day.

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I needed to go myself to the mall, actually.

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That's what I did.

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And I went to the store and I bought a sweater.

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And when I got to the hospital, because Chloe and I used to exchange clothes all the time,

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right?

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28, she was the same size as me.

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And at this point, she was not really moving anymore.

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And she was lying in her bed and her head was straight.

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And I came in the room and she turned her head and she looked at me and she gave me the biggest

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smile.

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And I heard in my head, good one, mom, you're going to be okay.

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Because it's like in some respect, I was taking care of myself.

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I was doing something nice for myself.

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We had a guest on this show a while ago, Nurse Hadley.

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Okay.

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And she is a hospice nurse only 30 years old, which is very young for that.

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And we heard the neatest stories about people in their last hours before passing on and

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how many of them see and talk to spirits, especially loved ones that have already that

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are deceased.

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Did she have any experience like that?

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Do you know?

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Well, what I can tell you is that I, on the last night of her life, I said to the nurse,

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I think this is the last night.

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And the nurse said, no, no, no, no.

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And she gave me a booklet and said, well, you have to see all these signs first.

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I went home.

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I came back at midnight because I just knew and sure enough, Chloe was trying to get out

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of her body.

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There's this breathing they do, which I had never experienced.

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It's quite traumatic to see it, especially from somebody who's been not moving for like

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two days.

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And then all of a sudden she's sitting up straight and doing this heavy, heavy breathing.

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And I heard her in my head say, mom, please leave the room.

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I said, okay.

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So I went and I fell asleep in a chair in the hospital.

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And about two hours later, I was woken up and it was like a tsunami of joy.

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I was hit in the chest, pow.

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And it was like, ah, I woke up and I knew it was done.

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And then I went in back into her room and she said, and I was really calm.

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You know, I was really calm.

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And she said, mom, thank you so much for listening to me and thank you so much for being calm.

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That's great.

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Yeah.

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And that seems to happen a lot.

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That's one thing that Hadley was talking about is some people want their closest loved one

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to be right at their side when they pass and others don't.

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And so they might say, hey, would you go into the kitchen and get me a drink or something?

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And then they'll go, well, that person is just out of the room or something like that.

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And I don't know why that is, but some many people are that way.

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You know, the near death experience completely prepared me because I was not a tall afraid

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of death.

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And this was actually like, okay, the rubber meets the road here.

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It's not just talk.

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You have to now live this and embody this.

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And I was able to do that because I had been to the other side.

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So I mean, how to explain how incredible it was, how awful and gut wrenching, but at the

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same time it's like, call you going home.

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Woo.

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You know?

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You're happy for them.

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Oh, yeah.

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A little sad for yourself because you're going to miss them.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Your near death experience now.

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Yeah.

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And I know this was quite a few years ago.

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And I've just heard the very, very short readers digest versions so far, but we've had some

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other people on the show that have been a pedestrian hit by cars and it is a crazy thing when that

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happens.

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Tell us what happened to you.

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That's right.

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And it was a winter night, huge snowstorm, December 1991.

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So yeah, 32 years ago, I was 31 years old and I woke up that morning and I had a vision.

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And this is really what prepared me for the accident because I saw the whole accident

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in that vision.

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I saw the make of the car, the color.

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I even heard my husband scream as the car hit us.

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And I remembered the vision so well because how do you get hit by a car when you're walking

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on a sidewalk?

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The whole thing just didn't compute.

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And then I forgot about this whole vision because that day in particular was the day

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of my grandmother, Emily's funeral.

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So she was involved.

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She had her hand in this thing from the very beginning actually because we had to go to

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something that evening.

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We came out of this house and exactly at 10 past 10 that night, we're walking on the

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sidewalk.

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I don't see it because this car is behind us.

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Car loses control and we get hit.

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And my husband goes over the windshield and into a snow bag and I get hit and thrown into

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the road about 35 feet down the road.

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No other car hits me.

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And then I come out of my body and I'm looking and I remember so well because this evening,

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there were a lot of people at this evening and everybody was dressed and it was a big

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snowstorm and they were all piling out of the house freaking out over our accident and

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nobody was wearing a coat.

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And I was trying to tell them, go get your coats.

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Everybody could hear me and chaos, chaos ensued, complete chaos on the road.

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And then I just lifted up and I looked down and I saw this figure in the middle of the

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road and I recognized the coat.

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But you know what?

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All my feelings, my thoughts, my emotions, everything was with me.

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So I didn't feel that I wasn't me.

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I was just me looking down at this lump.

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And then I moved away and moved away and was encircled in this magnificent light.

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And that's a big reason by the way why I do sound.

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Because I want to give people the experience of being enveloped in that light of love without

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having to have like a near-death experience.

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So off I went.

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There was no life review or anything like that.

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What it was for me was a figure that approached me, a very tall figure, and I never saw their

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face and it was a male kind of voice.

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And I was in total peace and he said, Andrea, and that's the part that freaked me out.

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He knew my name.

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Like, ah, how do you know my name?

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You know, we think we're so small.

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Like how can I be worthy enough that you know my name?

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And he said, do you want to stay or do you want to go?

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And then right away my answer was clear.

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I had three babies.

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Imagine my youngest was one.

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I had a one, a three, and a five-year-old.

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So I said, I have to go back.

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Then he asked me again.

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And I said, you know, even if every bone is broken, I have to go back for my three kids.

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And I was thrown into this vortex, as all I can describe it as.

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And I remember that I had hands and feet.

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This is, to me, it was crazy because I had to hang on to the walls of this thing because

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it was spinning so fast that if I didn't really hang on, it was going to throw me out of nowhere.

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And it spun and spun and spun and spun and spun me.

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And then I just slammed back into my body and I woke up and I was crying and everything

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hurt.

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I did not break one bone.

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All right.

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Go and some more of the detail of this.

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The coolest part, though, is really what came after because somehow I didn't know this at

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the time.

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I didn't know anything about this.

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There's the thing called walk-ins.

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I didn't know this.

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All I know was something in me was different.

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And my grandmother, who had just passed, had these really, really awful table manners because

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she lived along for many years.

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And all of a sudden, I was doing all these things that she would do.

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I was making all these big burps like she would make and I was eating like the way she

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ate, sorry, grandma, but it's true.

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And it was like so not me, you know?

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And then she started talking to me and she said, Andrea, go get my books.

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And I'm like, what books are you talking about?

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She said, well, they're the whole series of my books, they're called The Life and Teachings

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of the Masters of the Far East.

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And I found out they were in my aunt's basement, so I went and I got the books.

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I tried to read the books, forget it.

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I couldn't understand the thing.

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And then she said, I'm going to teach you about patience and non-judgment and about true power

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and about love and everything.

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My grandmother was the most amazing teacher as they were loading us into this ambulance.

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Both my husband and I were loaded in with the straps and the whole deal.

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I knew my marriage was over and I know this is sometimes I say this and people say like,

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what?

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But why did I have to get this knocked out of me, you know, for me to finally say I am

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not going to live in a loveless marriage?

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But to me, marriage was till death to us part.

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Now I was committed.

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And then I realized, you know, Andrea, you did die.

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Okay, this marriage is over.

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So along comes the bill for my divorce.

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Okay?

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And my bill for my part of the divorce is $1,100.

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I know divorce was like very amicable, no contest, $1,100.

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Two days later, my mother comes to me says, you know, we've completely resolved your grandmother's

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estate and everything's paid and everything's done.

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And for whatever reason, there's a little amount left and I think you should have it.

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And she gives me a check and it's for like $1,106.

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My grandmother paid for my divorce.

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And it goes on and on.

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And she's the one who said, you go make a loan bow and we're going into business.

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And we do.

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Wow.

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I want to meet her someday.

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Yeah.

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She sounds awesome and strong and she is.

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And yeah.

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And she told me, she said, I always wanted to be in business.

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I said, well, now you are.

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I just don't want to have dinner with her.

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That's all.

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You're right.

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Okay.

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Please fill in more about this, Andy.

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You're hit by a car.

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You're thrown.

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You're in the middle of the street.

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Yes.

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You said, I forget your exact words, how you were lifted up.

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I was lifted up.

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I was about 90.

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Okay.

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What did this, what did this feel like?

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What are you thinking, feeling as this is happening?

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No pain, zero pain.

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You feel like you're floating and you know what you feel like?

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You feel like a witness.

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You're totally a bystander.

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You're like a witness to all of this drama going on around me.

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I was completely detached from it.

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I had no emotional attachment to the body on the ground, to the chaos of everybody

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around.

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It's like I was witnessing a play.

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I was witnessing a play.

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That was it.

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Okay.

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And then what happened?

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And it was, it was just as I said, I just moved away from the scene.

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It's like the scene got smaller and smaller and smaller.

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And this light and love just came around me totally enveloping me.

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And because I had had that vision, I wasn't afraid from the accident.

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I wasn't afraid being hit because as I was flying through the air, I'm like, oh shit,

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this is exactly the vision.

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And my husband screamed exactly the words I had heard him scream in that vision that

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morning.

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So I knew that I was being prepared.

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So I totally gave into it.

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I was completely, I was fine with it, whatever was going to be, except that when he said,

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do you want to stay or do you want to go?

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There was no way I was going to leave my children.

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Can you explain that love to people that maybe haven't felt it?

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How would you describe it?

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You know what?

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Having a child in spirit has helped me understand that kind of love even more.

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It is so enduring.

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It is timeless.

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It is, it is beyond the human experience.

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It's way beyond the mundane.

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It's totally sublime.

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You are linked and joined forever.

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It was not easy.

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It was not easy.

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My one year old, I could not hold him.

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I could not really walk up and down steps or do anything for about a year.

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I was in, my body was so banged up.

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So I used to put him in a bundle buggy, which is like this knapsack thing that you wear

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on the front because I couldn't carry him.

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And when I recovered enough to get him out of that bundle buggy and put him in a stroller,

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no way, he wouldn't go in the stroller.

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He wanted to stay snuggled up close to me.

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And you know what?

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He is 33 today and he still loves to snuggle up close.

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So I, you know, I wonder, I think, gee, the fact that I never put him really in that stroller

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after he was a year old and just had him, I used to have him on me all the time.

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I mean, if I was cooking or whatever I was doing, he was with me.

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And it created this incredible snuggly child, which is really fun.

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You know, when you have your six foot son sit on your lap and snuggle, you're like,

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it's great.

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It's great.

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So how to describe that love?

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Well, I think in many ways you just did.

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I don't think you realized it.

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I don't know, I just was back there living that.

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So snuggly is a new adjective I'm going to put down by that.

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But no, go ahead and explain, explain more.

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Try to, if someone had never felt this, how would you explain it to them?

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Well, I'll tell you one thing.

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When Chloe got sick, I didn't want anybody else to take care of her.

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There was no question.

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I was going to take care of her 24 seven.

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It was like everything else stopped.

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I went into the land of the dying.

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There are two lands.

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There's the land of the living and there's the land of the dying.

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And I went into the land of the dying with Chloe and I refused every invitation.

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I didn't want to go anywhere.

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See anybody.

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I didn't want to do anything social.

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And then my son, Daniel was away at school and he's like, mom, I can't study geology

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when you're home with Chloe.

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Do you want me to come back?

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I said, no, I don't want you to come back.

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You stay there and do your thing.

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He said, forget it, I'm coming and it came home.

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And when he came home, I realized how exhausted I really was.

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And I would go off in the daytime and I would go on this lovely little bike path and I would

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run on this path and I would cry my eyes out the whole time I was on this path.

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I would ball my eyes out loud.

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I didn't care who saw me, who didn't see me.

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And then I'd come back home and I'd feel great and I'd be ready to take on the day

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and give Chloe my 100%.

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It's really something to love like that.

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It's a great gift.

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It's a great gift.

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Let's fast forward a little bit because I know another profound thing is the conversations

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that you had with Chloe after she was gone.

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And you mentioned the one.

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Was that the beginning of this or did this five month conversation thing start later?

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Well, I'll tell you the beginning of it happened a few years before she passed.

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And I, as you know, I was running this business and I was going crazy trying to raise these

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three kids and pay for everything.

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And one day I was, as I was leaving my apartment, I heard Andrea stay home.

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Just get a piece of paper, get a pen and sit down.

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And I mean, I never missed a day at work and I could not ignore this voice.

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And this went on for about two years and I did all kinds of beautiful automatic writing.

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And in about 2012, it stopped.

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And I thought, what did I do wrong?

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I didn't publish them.

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I didn't talk about them.

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I didn't tell enough people.

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What did I do wrong?

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And then I was told, no, Andrea, you didn't do anything wrong.

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We are just preparing you and you've got that now.

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You've learned it.

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You have that skill.

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You don't need it.

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You don't need to have that anymore.

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You don't need to do those sessions anymore.

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And I'm like, yeah, but I don't know those sessions, but no, it was like that was that.

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My first session, by the way, automatic writing, Abraham Lincoln, 6,000 words taken down in

489
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:49,080
two days, not a mistake, not a hesitation, not one word out of place.

490
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,920
I just took the patient.

491
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,920
Yeah.

492
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,400
Explain automatic writing for those who haven't heard of it.

493
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,800
You don't have to go into any kind of crazy trends.

494
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:04,120
You don't have to do all these complicated rituals to put yourself in some kind of a

495
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:06,840
state in order to connect the spirit.

496
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:07,840
I didn't.

497
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:14,560
I just sat down and I just did a couple of breaths to be open and to be peaceful and to

498
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,520
just land in the chair and to empty my mind.

499
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,680
And then I would listen.

500
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:27,000
The key to automatic writing is listening because you get a free and the phrase keeps

501
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,400
repeating itself and repeating itself.

502
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,560
And I remember Abraham Lincoln's phrase.

503
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:41,960
Now this is from 2010, my error was not in underestimating the value of my words at Gettysburg.

504
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,920
My error was not in underestimating the value of my words at Gettysburg.

505
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,520
So I heard Gettysburg and I thought of Lincoln right away.

506
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,880
And he said that phrase about maybe six times.

507
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,280
And then I sat down and I wrote the phrase.

508
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:06,560
And often when you receive automatic writing, that is how you know it's not you.

509
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,360
You get the same phrase over and over.

510
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,280
I'll give you another example.

511
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,240
I had a young man who visited me.

512
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Now I didn't really know what was going on at this point because it was quite a few

513
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:25,880
years before Chloe passed, but he had passed two weeks prior.

514
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,280
And I hear in my head, tell them I'm fat and happy.

515
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,520
Tell them I'm fat and happy.

516
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,520
Tell them I'm fat and happy.

517
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,160
I was brushing my teeth.

518
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,360
So I put my toothbrush down.

519
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,040
I'm like, who is this?

520
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,000
And he tells me his name and I know his mother.

521
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,800
I said, oh boy, what do I do now?

522
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,880
He says, Andrea, please, would you take dictation?

523
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:49,880
I said, sure.

524
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,280
How do you say no?

525
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,920
And he gave me a letter.

526
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,480
It was like five pages long.

527
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,920
And then he said, would you give this to my mother?

528
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,360
I'm like, oh, what do I do?

529
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,960
Call her up and say, by the way, and that's what I did.

530
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,200
Yeah, she'll think I'm crazy.

531
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,200
She'll think I'm crazy.

532
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,400
Her husband, yeah, he thought I was crazy, but she didn't think I was crazy.

533
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:19,240
But a cool thing happened with that encounter was that he showed me a radio of him mowing

534
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,440
the word fat into the grass.

535
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:28,000
Like, you know, do the F, stop the motor, go over, do the A. He actually showed me.

536
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,960
I'm doing, himself doing that.

537
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,640
So when I explained that to his mom, didn't mean anything to her.

538
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,840
I just give what I get five years after he has passed.

539
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,800
He's like, could you please call my brother?

540
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,040
He's really, he means to hear what you have to say.

541
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,080
He's having a hard time.

542
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,480
So I call his brother.

543
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,480
I get his number.

544
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:55,000
I call his brother and I tell his brother about the vision and his brother drops the

545
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000
phone.

546
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,600
He said, Andrea, the only person that was there that day was my brother and me.

547
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,560
They were the only two.

548
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,960
And that's why the vision didn't mean anything to the mother, but it meant something to his

549
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,840
brother.

550
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:14,040
So when things like this keep happening and all this sort of developed after the new death

551
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:22,040
experience, when Chloe says to me, Mom, you're so easy to find it's a joke, I didn't doubt.

552
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,920
I didn't doubt that it was her.

553
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,920
That's the key.

554
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,120
I'm always told the key to hearing spirit is not to doubt and be a good listener.

555
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,640
Be a really good listener.

556
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,480
So what else did she have to say to you?

557
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,480
A lot.

558
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,480
I know it's a lot.

559
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,080
Give us an idea.

560
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,240
I almost didn't write the book because I thought I was teaching like entrepreneurship.

561
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,160
Like I didn't need to put this out there about me.

562
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,640
So I'm like, Chloe, why can't we just have this conversation?

563
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,120
You and I, let's just keep talking.

564
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,920
She's like, no way, Mom.

565
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,240
I didn't do all this for you to cop out on me now.

566
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,240
And so it was really cool.

567
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,400
I was in this little room and she would wake me up at about 4 a.m.

568
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,280
She would dig her shoulder into my elbow, which was extremely annoying and very painful.

569
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,920
And she used to do it when she was here.

570
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,920
She used to do that.

571
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,280
She woke me up and say, okay, open your computer.

572
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,360
And you know what was cooler?

573
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,200
I was typing her words.

574
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,480
My eyes closed and I never made a spelling mistake.

575
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,200
But when I typed my words, forget it.

576
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,900
I made all kinds of mistakes.

577
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,960
And she said, Mom, you're not allowed to edit my words.

578
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,920
I'm like, ha, if I can't edit your words, girl, they better be perfect.

579
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,920
Wow.

580
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,160
And so we wrote a book and this is the book.

581
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,680
And yeah, there's a lot of stuff in it.

582
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:43,320
This is a book, Conversations with Chloe, and I had it translated into French because

583
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,960
we live in a French province.

584
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,080
So I had it translated into French.

585
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,520
And it's an amazing book.

586
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,240
It's not just like personal stuff between Chloe and I.

587
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:59,120
Because at one point I said to her, I said, Chloe, I want to help other parents do this.

588
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,440
I want to help other people have conversations across the veil.

589
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,180
Like, that's the coolest thing ever.

590
00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:10,880
It's the most unbelievable divine experience you can have.

591
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,720
It's one thing to get Abraham Lincoln's 6,000 words, but to have a conversation with your

592
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,080
own child across the veil.

593
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Oh my God.

594
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,560
It's nothing beats that.

595
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,200
So I wanted to help other parents.

596
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,680
So she said, okay, Mom, here we go.

597
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,600
We'll call it the 12 steps to bridging.

598
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,000
It took me five days to take this down.

599
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,800
And I never ate so much junk food in my life.

600
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,760
And I don't eat junk food.

601
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,280
It's very taxing on the system to have spirits so close so much.

602
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,280
And so we did.

603
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,800
We created something called the 12 steps to bridging.

604
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,920
And it's like a guide a little bit for people.

605
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,240
So it's an idea of how if somebody wants to communicate with someone that they love that's

606
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,400
past, this can help them do that.

607
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,400
That's right.

608
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,400
That's right.

609
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,400
Yeah.

610
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,760
Do you consider yourself to be a medium?

611
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,560
You've never used the term with me.

612
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,200
No, I haven't.

613
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:11,840
And in fact, I went twice to a place called the Arthur Finley College in England, which

614
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,320
is where they train incredible mediums.

615
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:20,120
And I did a lot of mediumship and my mediumship skills went through the roof.

616
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,200
But when I came home, I wasn't a large medium anymore.

617
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,800
I was a small medium.

618
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:31,560
And I said, no, I don't want to do this unless I can really do it really well with great

619
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,120
precision and great evidence for people.

620
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:41,280
And Chloe's the one who pushed me and said, mom, what people really need in order to communicate

621
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,200
directly with spirit is to raise their vibration.

622
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,960
That's what they need to do.

623
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,560
So I had been meditating since after my NDE.

624
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,480
I had been meditating with a lady and we still meditate together.

625
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,480
Imagine 30 years later, we're still meditate together.

626
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,560
And she introduced me to sound.

627
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,840
Can I play something for you?

628
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,840
Yeah.

629
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,840
So I learned.

630
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,840
I learned that we are vibrational beings.

631
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,840
Who knew?

632
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:20,920
Why did we learn this as kids?

633
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:39,840
And I learned that we can raise our vibration and it's as simple as breathing in and breathing

634
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,640
out these high vibration.

635
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,040
And that's what I do now here in this little house.

636
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:51,000
I have sound hearings and meditations and help people to raise their vibrations.

637
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,760
The coolest thing is so much fun.

638
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,280
And they have all kinds of after death communications, all kinds.

639
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,600
I know very, very little about quantum physics, but a lot of people that I talked to about

640
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,960
their NDE talk about quantum physics and what they learned.

641
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,600
How does the vibration of those, what does that have to do with quantum physics?

642
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,000
Do you have any idea?

643
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,000
No.

644
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Okay.

645
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,680
Not an area you've studied yet.

646
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,920
Not an area I studied.

647
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,560
And even when it comes to sound, I mean, this is of course, you know, quantum physics is

648
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,400
about life in its smallest form, right?

649
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,800
Smaller than an atom.

650
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Like your DNA at the center of every cell.

651
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,440
So maybe it's quantum in that, for instance, I work a lot with cancer patients because

652
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,680
I've been one too.

653
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,800
And also I did this from Ms. Chloe because this is one of the things you do when your

654
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:47,520
child passes is you, once the grief is subsided, you want to honor them.

655
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,880
You create a mission in your life to honor them.

656
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,560
And so every day, whatever it is you're doing, you honor that child.

657
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:59,600
So I work with cancer patients and we do DNA meditation.

658
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
That would be life at a quantum level, wouldn't it?

659
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:10,040
To actually visualize the center of every cell in your body, which is where your DNA resides.

660
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:16,960
And then to speak to that DNA and to fill that DNA with light and oxygen and to raise

661
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,480
the vibration of that DNA.

662
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,880
One time I had a DNA researcher in the room.

663
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,040
I had a big room full of people and at the very end she raises her hand.

664
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,680
She says, I'm a DNA researcher.

665
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,800
And I went, oops.

666
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,760
And she said, what you did, she said, is very powerful.

667
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,680
And I knew it was because I had been instructed to do it.

668
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,320
I listened to spirit all the time, Eric.

669
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,960
That's where I take my marching orders all the time.

670
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,960
That's awesome.

671
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,560
I have another question about 1991.

672
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Yeah, sure.

673
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,640
After you had your NDE, who did you tell about it and what was their reaction?

674
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,880
Nobody.

675
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,360
I did not talk about it for 25 years.

676
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:03,880
And then Chloe passes away and I go out to the western part of Canada.

677
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,720
I'm in Vancouver.

678
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:10,560
And I don't know, I'm fooling around my computer and I see IANs, International Association

679
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,680
for Near Death Studies.

680
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,320
I'd never heard of it.

681
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,800
I call them up.

682
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,160
And the gentleman in Vancouver says, you know, I've been away for three weeks.

683
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,640
I just got back to days my first day.

684
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,320
And I was like, just there for a few days.

685
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:29,600
I said, I had a near-death experience and I have never said a word to anyone.

686
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,520
I didn't want it to be ridiculed.

687
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,340
I didn't want to have to try to justify it.

688
00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:36,560
It was my most precious thing.

689
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,520
So the IANs person asked me if I would like to discuss my near-death experience.

690
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,560
And he said to me, he said, look, you can come in.

691
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:52,160
You can talk as long as you want and just, you know, give all the details you want.

692
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,480
This is really an opportunity for you to share it.

693
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,200
And I said, oh boy.

694
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,360
So I met him at the Weston Bay Shore Hotel.

695
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,920
We sat in the lobby.

696
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:08,440
He pressed record and I spoke for three hours, three hours talking about not just the experience

697
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:14,240
because the experience itself was quite simple, really.

698
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:20,000
But it was all the aftermath, all the visits of spirit and my grandmother and this whole

699
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,240
walk-in thing, having my grandmother waste me.

700
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,600
Even at one point I had to figure out what was going on and I went into a bookstore and

701
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,760
I said, grandma, give me the right book.

702
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,720
Because I got to know what's going on.

703
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,240
And the book literally fell off the shelf.

704
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:35,640
I didn't even buy the book.

705
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,160
I just kind of fell off the shelf.

706
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,000
I opened it up and there it was all about walk-ins.

707
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,000
I put the book back.

708
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000
I said, OK, now I know what's going on.

709
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,120
And then one day I was going in for some surgery and she said to me right before, she said,

710
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,320
I'm leaving now.

711
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,960
And I went, oh, and she did.

712
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,840
When I woke up from surgery, I was different.

713
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,240
I was back to me.

714
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,440
So why didn't you talk to anybody for 25 years?

715
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,600
25 years, can you imagine?

716
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,160
It was like too precious.

717
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,680
It was like too special.

718
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,520
There was other phenomenon happening to me too.

719
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,520
So I didn't want anybody to think I was completely nuts.

720
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,600
Like walking and feeling all the vibrations of things and stuff.

721
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,600
Yeah.

722
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,680
I didn't tell anyone.

723
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:29,440
But when I told that gentleman from the Vancouver IAINs office, that was the biggest gift.

724
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,760
I walked out of there.

725
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,080
I was like 20 pounds lighter.

726
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,200
And I thought, how amazing that I find him.

727
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,120
And in my hometown, there is no chapter of IAINs.

728
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,480
So how would I have found him if I hadn't been there?

729
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,200
Isn't that something?

730
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,800
It can be very therapeutic, can it, to talk about it.

731
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:49,800
Absolutely.

732
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,800
Today it's different.

733
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,480
Today people talk about it like I've been to different conferences and it's really beautiful.

734
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,840
And IAINs conference is a real love in.

735
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:04,120
It's great that people can feel safe talking about it now because you're not alone in keeping

736
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,560
it in for a long, long time.

737
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,400
People have a lot of fears of, oh, they're going to think I'm crazy or whatever.

738
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,280
Or for you it was just too special.

739
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,600
People may not get it.

740
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,200
But it was both of those actually.

741
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,200
It was they're going to think I'm crazy and I don't want to have to justify this because

742
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,680
it is too special.

743
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,680
Yeah.

744
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,680
Yeah.

745
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,040
So do you have any recommendations for our listeners out there that may be in the same

746
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,040
boat?

747
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,760
Tell them to jump on the show with me.

748
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,760
How about that?

749
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,760
There you go.

750
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,480
And I welcome them.

751
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,240
Everybody is welcome to join.

752
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:40,440
I do a sound session online on Wednesdays.

753
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,320
It's just amazing.

754
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:49,520
You could be on the moon and these vibrations can have a really deep effect on you.

755
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:56,240
And one of the things that I have heard more than once from Chloe is that I make it easy.

756
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,840
I know it's because I don't doubt.

757
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:07,000
So just allow yourself a moment every day, just even a small moment to sit and relax

758
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,000
and listen.

759
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,440
Don't even call it meditation.

760
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,680
Just breathe and listen for a few minutes and just see what comes because I can tell

761
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:22,200
you our loved ones on the other side are so close and they so want us to acknowledge

762
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,160
them and they go crazy sending all kinds of signs.

763
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,000
Oh my God, if I had crazy signs from Chloe, can I tell you one last sign that I got?

764
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,240
Yeah, please.

765
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,200
This was cool because this was really visible to a lot of people.

766
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:39,880
So I was at a conference in Phoenix for helping parents heal and I was doing a sound lounge

767
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,320
which was a room that had a PowerPoint behind me on a huge screen, 10 by 10 of all of our

768
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,960
children in spirit, over 900 pictures.

769
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,760
So it was really touching and people were always coming in the room.

770
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,120
They would look at the PowerPoint.

771
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:59,920
They would listen to the sound and it was running on my computer and the second morning, the

772
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:00,920
whole thing jams.

773
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,240
The computer doesn't work.

774
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:03,240
The thing doesn't go.

775
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:04,440
The music doesn't go.

776
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:11,200
I'm kind of freaking out wanting this thing to work and look up at the screen and guess

777
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:18,440
whose picture is up there out of over 900 kids, Miss Chloe.

778
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,280
And when I asked her, I said, Chloe, how did you do that?

779
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,960
She didn't answer me that.

780
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,080
She said, Mom, you make it so easy.

781
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,080
And I said, what do you mean?

782
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,960
She said, you don't doubt.

783
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,840
So that's what I would say, just leave your doubt on the side and just watch the magic

784
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,280
happening around you.

785
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,760
It's really precious.

786
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,760
Yeah.

787
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,920
Life is so much more than what we see with the human eye.

788
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,040
I think that's a perfect wrap up.

789
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Andrea, thank you so much for being with me this morning.

790
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,120
Thank you for asking me.

791
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,760
Thank you for your interest.

792
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,760
Nice to meet you.

793
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,720
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.

794
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,760
If you've had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear from you.

795
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,160
Send an email to Eric at roundtriptest.com.

796
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:30,920
Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.