June 30, 2023
#331 - Bonus Episode: "Modern Day Lazarus"
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Two years ago Kevin Hill of Darby, England, contracted a very rare condition known as Calciphylaxis. It's an excruciatingly painful and 98% of patients, including Kevin, die from it. In fact Kevin died twice. During his second NDE, Kevin had a beautiful experience with Jesus by his side. He wasn't alone in the Spirit Realm. He learned that when you die your focus completely changes and he came back a changed man. While experiencing God's love, power and hope, Kevin learned that death is not the end. Listen and find out why Kevin has been called a modern day Lazarus. RoundTripDeath.com Donate to the show https://www.roundtripdeath.com/support/
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I had intense fear and panic because we were obviously crashing. Out of my heart came the
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thought, oh god help, I'm going to die.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was a good 45 minutes.
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It's determined that I was not breathing for 20 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. And I could
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see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realise that was actually my physical body
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because I was somewhere else.
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By which you went to the past far, in the afternoon, by half past seven I was dead, clinically
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dead, four minutes.
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And they were crying because I was dead and I was trying to tell them no, I'm not dead,
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I'm just fine, I'm okay.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful, soothing,
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loving energy.
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I'm back with God again, I just felt this all in my two release, like, wow, I'm back,
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home, I'd come back home, it was a very strong feeling, I've
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come back home.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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And light is literally emitting from him and I could feel that that tremendous amount
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of love was coming through him as well.
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They were brighter than everybody else and I just knew who they were.
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Welcome everybody to Around Trip Death and welcome to our special guest today, Kevin
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Hill from Darby, Across the Pond.
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And Kevin, how are you today?
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I'm doing good.
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It's been a busy week but I'm doing good, I'm doing really good.
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Okay, what's it like in that area where you live?
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I live in the countryside now, so lots of cows, lots of horses, lots of sheep, lots of tractors,
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so I have to play dodge with all of those.
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My rush hour is getting through the cows.
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As you say that, I'm picturing the Clarkson Family Farm reality show.
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Have you ever seen that?
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I have not, no.
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Okay.
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Well, it's Clarkson, the guy that has the other TV show about race cars and stuff.
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And anyway, he's turned himself into a farmer now and there's a reality show based on it
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and it shows the beautiful countryside.
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I don't know where it is from you but it's over in your neighborhood somewhere and it's
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farms and cows and that kind of thing and really beautiful.
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So we've got lots of fields, lots of trees, it's really good and we've got lots of animals
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as well.
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The other day, I woke up by peacocks on the roof and in the garden.
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I don't know where they come from but we have peacocks.
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Sounds fun.
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Well, tell us a little bit more about you.
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I grew up in Sheffield which is a bit more north from where I am now.
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I used to be a big steel city.
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I am a twin and I went to Taiwan for 10 years and when I was in Taiwan, I got married to
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a Chinese lady and I now have four children, three of which were born in Taiwan.
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One was born here, the youngest was born here.
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We came back to England in 2008.
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We came back.
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So girl boy, girl boy, nice even.
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But it just gets a bit bizarre.
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Let the dogs out.
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You can get crazy.
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Sounds like a lot of fun.
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Are they grown now or are they little kids?
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Well, the youngest is 13, the oldest is 19, 19 years at university.
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The 18-year-old is just finishing college.
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We have school going to college and universities so it's not college as universities.
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It's slightly lower level.
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I don't know if you might call it high school or something like that.
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When we go from high school to and then if we continue school, it's either a college
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like a community college or a university.
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It's not like you do one and then you do the other after that, although you can do grad
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school after that and those kind of things.
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But hey, let's get back to what we're talking about today, which is near-death experiences
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because you are an experiencer and you've had a couple of experiences.
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Tell us about the first one first.
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I know there's not as much to tell about this as there is the second one, but what happened
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the first time?
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Just to give you a bit of background, so you know where I'm coming from is I spent one
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year in hospital.
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I had a super rare condition.
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It was called calciflaxis.
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That means that there was dead skin eating my live skin.
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The mortality rate of that is 98%.
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That means death rate is 98%.
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Survival rate is 2%.
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And yeah, because I'm on the show, it killed me twice.
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So you were the 98% and the 2%.
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That's awesome.
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I've not thought about that before.
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Excellent.
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Yes, I can use that.
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All right.
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Tell us about the first time.
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So I don't remember much about the first time, but I had sepsis.
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They moved me from one hospital because I was supposed to have a heart develop operation.
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So they moved me back to the hospital nearer to my home.
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And I had sepsis.
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And then at that point, it was also not feeding me.
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So I had 10 days where I had no food.
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So I was pretty delirious at this point.
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My grasp on reality was all over the place apparently.
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Sometimes I was in and out consciousness.
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And sometimes I was aware of what was happening.
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And sometimes apparently I was just babbling.
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But yeah, I had sepsis.
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I had 10 days with no food.
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And at some point, I died.
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And you know this because the medical staff informed you afterwards?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because I don't remember much about this one.
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But the nurse came back.
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You're like, oh, you scared us because you died and we had to bring you back to life again.
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OK, great.
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Brilliant.
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Thank you.
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Because my wife had been arguing with the doctor, because the doctor said that I signed
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a do not resuscitate order.
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And my wife was like, no, he wouldn't sign that.
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We're not signing that.
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So if he does die, bring him back to life.
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So they brought me back to life.
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This would be a very quiet show today if she hadn't stepped in and done that.
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I'd be just talking to myself.
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But yeah, the nurse came in and talked to me and said, yeah, we lost you.
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They didn't say how long that was for this time.
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They just said, you know, you died, but we came back, come back to life.
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So that was good.
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So they carried on with the treatment and we got rid of the sepsis.
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They started feeding me again.
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Because they wanted to do more tests.
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I'm like, I don't need tests.
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I need food.
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And they started giving me food.
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Oh, I started to recover.
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Surprise.
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You know, I'm not a doctor, so I don't know why they wouldn't feed you.
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Did they tell you why?
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No.
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Don't know why.
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OK.
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They just said they wanted to do more tests.
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We'll have to get a doctor on sometime to enlighten us on that.
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How long ago was this?
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This was about one and a half years ago.
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OK.
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So quite recent?
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Yes.
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OK.
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So I was in hospital about September 20, 21, September 22.
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So you've just been out of the hospital, you know, less than a year, a little over six
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months now, nine months.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, OK, if there's not much more from that first thing, then let's go ahead.
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How much further chronologically was it until the second time that you died?
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This is the second time I died was about one year ago.
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We just passed the one year anniversary of that, so a year.
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And what happened this time?
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This was a lot more.
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I remember it a lot more.
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It was a lot more dramatic.
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You can see that.
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So Friday, Saturday, Sunday, because as I said, I have calciflaxis, which is dead skin, eating
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my large skin.
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I had that all over my legs and my sides.
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It was spreading.
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Even though it's dead, it does spread apparently.
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And I also have with that it caused deep skin.
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Well, let me explain these five levels of what it is.
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So level one is just like a scratch.
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Level two is you just take a little bit of skin off.
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Level three, you've gone deep into your flesh and you've taken some of the flesh out.
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Level four is that you've got really, really deep and there's a lot of flesh missing.
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And level five is basically blowing you.
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There's nothing you can do with level five.
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That's really beyond repair.
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My wounds were three and four, depending on where they were.
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So this day, Friday, I was okay.
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I didn't feel anything.
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Well, the pain was excruciating pain.
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I had pain.
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My pain levels threw the roof one to 10, 10 being excruciating pain.
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I was on the 200 and I'm not joking.
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I was like, the pain is really intense.
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And could they give you much for the pain or is this the kind of thing where they couldn't
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do too much?
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They would give me all the strong stuff and I was on four pain killers, strong pain killers.
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And then a few minutes later, I'm begging them, begging, please give me some more because
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I'm in so much pain and we can't forgive you anymore.
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You're a low D.
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So it's like, okay.
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So you've got two choices, either cry and shout all day because you're in pain or you
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just kind of push through that and you put up with it.
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You're not ignoring it because you can't ignore it, but it's not dominating it.
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So I would force myself to talk to people and distract myself so I wouldn't think about
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the pain.
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So the pain was still very high, but because of the deep wounds, I bled out.
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So the nerves come in and you know, you're bleeding.
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Mr. Hill, you're bleeding.
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So they looked to my legs and my bed was just covered with blood.
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We're talking rivers of blood, biblical plague level of blood, paint the walls blood.
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And there was so much blood.
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And my leg was bleeding and my side was bleeding.
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This out, this was a continuous bleeding for three days, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and
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just bleed, bleed.
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And whatever the doctors did, it didn't do anything.
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We couldn't do anything to stop it.
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They tried, we call them nappy, but you call them diapers.
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So they tried that because they're more absorbent.
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So they're trying to absorb all the blood and trying to stop the bleeding.
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And was this one location or sort of spread all over your body?
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It was three locations, two on my legs and one on my side, all on my right side.
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So my lower leg, my thigh and my side.
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So when you say you bled out, were they giving you transfusions at the same time to try to
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keep up?
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I lost so much blood.
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They gave me, okay, I'll see if I can work it out.
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So they gave me five pints of blood in English and that's about two liters, just over two
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liters of blood in Americans.
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So about half of my blood was lost, at least, maybe more.
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So just to give you those that lighten the numbers, 30% blood loss is critical.
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You are at the danger level, 30%.
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40% or above you're dead.
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Your body shuts down, goes into shop, you're dead.
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I had half of my body's blood had to be put into me again, but infusion, yes.
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So just to give you that lesson, so half of the human body blood had to be given to me
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because I was just bleeding and it couldn't stop.
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I don't know quite when I died.
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This is one of the second time when I died.
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And again, they told you after the fact, your heart had stopped, you were gone, we brought
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you back.
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Yes, but this time I knew.
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I was separate from my body.
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Right.
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Yeah, I've seen some people have said, oh, I was looking down, floating over my body.
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That wasn't me.
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Some people said I've seen a white light and I didn't.
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I knew I was separate from my body.
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Okay, let's go through this part step by step, detail by detail.
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Okay.
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So you said, I believe in your words, you were separated from your body.
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Explain that and how do you know that?
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Okay, I'm glad I'm on this show because your followers will understand this a bit more and
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believe a bit more.
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And by the way, for our listeners, Kevin has not talked about this very much.
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So give him a break that it's hard to put into words at this point.
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Okay, go ahead, Kevin.
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Thank you for that.
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It is, yeah, because it's still a very recent thing.
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I only came out a few months ago, out of hospital a few months.
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So like now, I'm in my body, I'm conscious.
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I can feel my body and everything, my thoughts, everything is together.
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That time it was separate.
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I knew my body was kind of there and I was in, the best I can say is I was in the spirit
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realm.
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I wasn't in the physical realm.
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I was in the spirit realm.
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I was very aware that I was bleeding.
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I knew I was bleeding out.
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I knew it was serious and dangerous.
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I knew that I was bleeding from three parts of my leg and body.
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I was aware of who was in and out of the room.
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But I wasn't in the bed looking around.
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I was kind of looking, but not over the body, some people have said.
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That may be their experience for me, it wasn't that, but I was, it was like I was watching
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a movie of my life, it was pain.
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I wasn't scared.
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I wasn't afraid.
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I had a lot of peace at this point.
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Were you still feeling pain?
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My body was.
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I was not.
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I don't know if you can understand that because I was in the spirit realm.
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There wasn't a pain, but I was conscious that my body was in pain.
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The nurses and doctors were rushing in and out.
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The emergency alarm was going off all through the weekend.
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So my body was in pain.
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My body was, well, with the blood loss.
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So my body was.
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So did you feel like you went someplace or you were just separated from the body?
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I definitely went someplace, but it wasn't, it wasn't a journey.
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I was just there.
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I didn't, so I didn't get on the bus or didn't get in a car, taxi, drive off or anything like
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that.
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Yeah.
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Or you, or you mentioned not through a tunnel either.
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You were just there.
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Hey, tell us where you were.
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What did you experience?
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See, feel here?
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I was at peace.
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I was, I was at peace because at my side, I, I believe there was Jesus Christ was there.
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Jesus was there at my side all the way through this.
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I didn't see him.
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I would have loved to see him.
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That would have been pretty awesome.
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But he was there and I could sense him.
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I could feel him.
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I don't know.
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I think I could have turned around and looked and would have been there.
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I don't know.
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But it was there because my physical body was elsewhere and I was in the spirit realm.
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It's just that I knew it was there, a sense that Jesus was there.
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And that gave me two things.
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One, it gave me hope, but it also gave me peace.
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And I was not afraid.
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I was like, this is going to be, this is going to be good because Jesus is there.
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He's going to help me through this.
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So I had that hope.
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I had that peace because I wasn't alone.
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You know, even though I was aware of people running around and doing things, I was in
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the spirit realm.
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So I was there and I was aware of things, people coming in and how my body bleeding.
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I didn't feel the blood coming out or feel the pain.
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I knew this was happening and I knew Jesus was at my side.
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He really gave me so much peace and hope.
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But other than that, I knew it was very serious, but I knew it wouldn't end in death.
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I was like, this is not my time to die.
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And I had that hope in me.
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It's not my time.
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So I kind of relaxed at that point because it's not my time.
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But I wasn't anxious.
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I was peaceful and it was almost like a revelation to understand that it's not my time.
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I'm okay.
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I'm going to be okay.
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It's not my time.
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So I had peace.
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So I was able to relax and just see what was going on.
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The time moved differently.
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In the physical world, it was three days.
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But there just seemed a few moments.
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It was time moved.
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So I was somewhere else, but I didn't feel transported there.
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I was just there.
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So it's a bit of a long answer to a short question.
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Do you remember seeing anything or was it much more of a feeling of all of this?
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I could see myself.
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I could see my body.
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I could see me bleeding.
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I could see the people coming in and out of the room.
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But Jesus, it was just a feeling.
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It was just a very, very deep feeling and sense that he was there.
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And I didn't see or feel anything else.
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I was just all in the room.
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I knew I wasn't in the room.
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I'm trying to grasp all this, being in the room but not in the room.
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It's like I was sat in the front row of the movie theater.
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And I was watching a movie of this guy dying and this guy was bleeding out.
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And all the doctors were coming in, nurses were coming in and watching.
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And I was sat there.
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It was like I was sat there watching that movie.
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So I wasn't part of the movie set.
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I was a spectator, not participant.
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Does that help a little bit more?
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Yeah, yeah, that helps.
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And it's amazing how often this is described to me so very matter-of-factly.
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Like there was my body, here was me.
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And there's no fear like, ah, I've got to hurry and get back in my body or something.
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Did you feel any of that?
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Like you wanted to go back?
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It sounded like you wanted to live.
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And what was it like going back to your body?
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I wanted to live, yes.
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I'm a Christian so I'm okay dying because I believe I'm going to go to heaven anyway.
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So I wasn't afraid of death.
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I've not been afraid of death for a long time.
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But yes, I wanted to live.
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I've got a wife for children and they were devastated through all this.
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It was a long traumatic ordeal.
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To be honest, it's one that could have been prevented and I didn't have to go through
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this because this was doctors and medical staff error.
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You know, what did this and then that caused the perfect storm for me to get this condition.
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It's not a red-each-a, it's not contagious.
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I was one in five people.
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So the UK is just short of 68 million people.
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So I was one in five out of the whole population, just five of us at this.
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One had already died, one had it very mild so he was okay.
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There was, I think, a bit too, I didn't know at that moment.
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So one in five, that is, those were numbers again.
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So 4.0007% of the population.
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So astronomical odds of getting this.
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I wanted to live.
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I wanted to be back with my family.
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And I searched a strong sense that it was not my time.
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I've got so much more to do.
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I've got things to do.
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And the world needs Kevin Hill to be alive at this stage.
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But yeah, I wanted to live.
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But I felt no urgency to rush back into my body.
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As I said, time moved very differently.
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I wanted to keep observing.
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It was like watching the movie, like, okay, what's going to happen next?
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What's next?
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But I was in no rush.
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I didn't, time moved differently.
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And more slowly, well, slowly or not at all.
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But I wasn't like, okay, go get back and go back.
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No, it was none of that.
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Okay, all right, what's happening next?
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When it was time, maybe it was just like, I'm getting tired.
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I need to sleep.
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And then I just closed my eyes and went to sleep.
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And I woke up Monday morning.
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Hey, how are you doing?
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Good morning, everybody.
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And they were like, Kevin, you're back.
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And I was like, yeah, you'd like to go anywhere?
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And then, then Drs. and nurses and my wife, well, my wife didn't say too much at that
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point.
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It was later when she was able to talk about it.
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Yeah, they were just like, you come back.
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This is a miracle.
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You know, you're a miracle man.
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But the miracles, I believe God did.
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I can't make myself live or die.
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I can try and make myself die, but you can't make yourself live again in that sense other
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than having that desire to live.
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Was this event the turning point and you started getting better finally after this?
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Yes, amazing.
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Dreading more and more.
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I was getting, I had like a checklist going down all the infections.
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Okay, I've done the A's, done the B's, okay, see, whatever infection, yeah, next.
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I had loads and loads of infections.
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I couldn't keep up, you know, and the antibiotics, you know, I'd be able to get stopped and then
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I'd get a new one.
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And is that how they treat this as strong antibiotics?
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I had strong antibiotics.
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I had strong painkillers.
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You didn't quite know what to do with me.
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You know, so I had all sorts of dressings on my legs and they were very painful to take
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off, to clean, put back on.
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But that weekend, beginning of June last year, that weekend, that was a breakthrough.
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That was a turning point.
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Because when I came back into my body, my body started to heal, the dead skin started
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to fall off.
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I was able to start sitting, because I was bed bound for a year.
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I couldn't move in the bed hardly at all because of all this.
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And I started to, I was able to start to sit up and I was able to stand up and start taking
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a few steps.
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I've had to learn to walk again.
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I've had to learn to eat again.
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It's like literally like a new baby.
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And to be honest, I had to learn to pee again because I had a catheter for one year.
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And so I had to do everything again.
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Again, it's all I knew.
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So in one sense, I'm a new person.
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But it was really amazing because at that point, things with the doctors started, they
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seem to know what they were doing now and the medicine seemed to start working.
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And yes, there was a lot of people praying as well for me to get well, to be healed.
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That week, the week after, I was getting stronger and stronger and stronger.
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And to the point that last September, it was really funny.
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I woke up and I had my breakfast and I was waiting for the doctor to come around in the
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morning and the nurse and the sister, they came and is that Mr. Helm, it's time to go
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home.
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I thought, brilliant, that's really funny.
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And they're like, this is 10 o'clock in the morning.
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They're like, no, we'll see this.
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You've got to go.
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The next thing you do is you have to go home.
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And I'm like, I'm not ready.
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I've not done anything.
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I've not said my goodbyes.
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I've not done anything.
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And so very, very quickly, they got me ready.
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I got dressed, got me ready and bunged me in a taxi cab, zoomed home and I was home.
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And could you even walk?
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A few steps.
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A few steps.
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Just barely into the house, hopefully.
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When I left the ward, the hospital ward, I was determined to walk down the ward.
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So I had my pictures and each step was agony.
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I'm walking.
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All the nurses were excited to me, wait, if I fall to catch me.
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I was like, no, I'm walking to the end of the ward to get out of the door.
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Each step was agony.
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I was determined to do it.
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And the nurses, they lined the ward and they were still talking and cheering and I was
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crying.
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They were crying.
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It was amazing.
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You don't have any video of that, do you?
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I do actually, yes.
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Will you send it to me?
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We'll post it someplace with this.
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I will, yes.
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I will.
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Yes, send me.
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Let me know where I can send it.
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I'll send that to you.
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That'd be awesome.
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I just got out, just one second, I just got out the ward door and I collapsed into the
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wheelchair.
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Take me home.
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That's awesome.
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How has this all changed your life?
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Are you, is Kevin the same person that he was a couple of years ago?
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It changed me and it changed my family.
494
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My family was so stressed out, so afraid.
495
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So is dad going to die?
496
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,560
His mum would come home and say dad died.
497
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They was that fear, constantly with them.
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They knew it was bad and they found out I'd died as well.
499
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So that was, I mean, I came back to life and the emotions, the emotional world for them
500
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was up, down, they were very stressed.
501
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But the week I came out, atmosphere in the house, everybody just a big sigh of relief.
502
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That fear went, it was able to relax, get on with life.
503
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,840
I mean, it's not been easy.
504
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You know, it's a very traumatic time for the whole family.
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For me, it's given me a renewed purpose.
506
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It's given me a renewed purpose because when you are dying or have the fear of death or
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actually dying a couple of times, your focus changes.
508
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My wife was putting on my socks at one point and I didn't get it quite right and I was
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like, just leave it, it doesn't matter.
510
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You know, I've got to get it right, it doesn't matter.
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Come and talk to me.
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My focus now is spend more time with my family as much as I can.
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Do things with my family as much as I can and to my friends as well.
514
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I've got hope.
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My wife's got hope.
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My kids have got hope.
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And they've seen the miracle because I was in hospital.
518
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I defied all these odds.
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I came back to life.
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Now I'm learning to work again.
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I'm getting stronger and stronger.
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I've got a renewed passion for life.
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I want to look at what's important.
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Because you kind of, people say, no, I don't.
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I love my family.
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People do kind of drift off and they just get into their own little world.
527
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But when you go through something like this, you experience this.
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You change and your priorities change.
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I want to love my wife more and more.
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I choose to love my wife every day.
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I choose to love my family.
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Yeah, I still sometimes get mad and get angry, but it's not okay.
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I try and bring that in.
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I try to do as much as I can with the kids.
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Because life is my focus now.
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Not just working, not just trying to earn that extra dollar.
537
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It's not worth it if it's going to kill you.
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If it's going to put a strain on your family.
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So my focus has changed now to love people more.
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And for my wife and my family is to spend more time with them and be with them.
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But also other people.
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So give them hope.
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Helping others prepare for eternity.
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Because there is something out there.
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This is definitely not the end.
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There is hope.
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There is another realm, a spirit realm.
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So don't be afraid.
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Don't give up.
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And have hope.
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And enjoy life with your family.
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Spend time with your family.
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Because we never know what's going to happen.
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We never know when we're going to die.
555
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I've got some extra years.
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I don't know how long, but I'm going to live these as much as I can to the fullest I can.
557
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That's a beautiful message.
558
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You mentioned that you are Christian.
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How has this improved your faith or has it?
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Tremendously.
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It really has.
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00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,320
I did believe in God before.
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I've been a Christian for a long time.
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I was active in Christian ministry.
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I was a pastor of a church.
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I set all that to stop.
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But I've not questioned God why did this happen to me.
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I've never done that.
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It's not a path I would have chosen.
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00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,120
I really, really didn't want to be a modern day Lazarus.
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I didn't want that.
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But hey, here I am.
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Some people have said, oh, you like Joe.
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00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960
You like Lazarus.
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But I think also like Jonah.
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Jonah was in the whales belly for three days and the whales spat him out.
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So you've got to imagine that he had seaweed everywhere.
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His clothes and his skin was burnt with the stomach acids.
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And then he comes along, repent, turn to God.
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Yeah, I'd repent.
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Yeah, okay, yes.
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And he had 100% success in his ministry.
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God saved my life and I've got a renewed passion to preach and to share God's love, God's power.
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This God I talk about is a real God.
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He's not an angry God.
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God was there all the time with me.
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Even though there's times I got very dark and very deep, it was like God always pulled
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me back out.
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It strengthened my faith.
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God showed me lots of things I studied at during the hospital and afterwards.
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And now I just want to go around the world.
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I want to share this story that Jesus raised me back from the dead.
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I am a modern day Lazarus.
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But it's not to be like, hey, I'm better than you.
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I'm chosen.
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I'm not.
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It's just this is what God decided to do with me.
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I think that certainly certain children.
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Yeah, do you want to, let's see, do you want a nice, fishy life?
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Or do you want to die a few times in an excruciating pain?
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Let me think.
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I believe God's given me some more years and I just want to get my story out there.
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God's love, God's power, God's miracles.
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And there is hope.
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00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,360
Well, I appreciate you sharing it here, one of the first places that you have.
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Just before we wrap up here, you mentioned that you don't fear death.
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You know, all of us do in some way.
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Even if we have faith, there's in the back of your mind, we're born with this self-preservation
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instinct, which is a little bit different than fearing death, but they go hand in hand.
610
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Where was that?
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If you could do a scale of one to 10, where were you before this experience?
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Where are you now after?
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That's a good question.
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I think before, I probably say about six, I didn't fear death, but there are certain
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ways I don't want to die, but after this experience is changed.
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So I think before six, I think now, I would say nine, ten, I really don't fear death.
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I'm even more sure I've got the confidence because I believe that God has made me his
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child and that's what the Bible says, that I'm a child of God.
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And one of the things that I also read, I don't know if you, I mean, I became a Christian
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when I was 17 and I've read the Bible so many times.
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And I've read the Gospel of Luke so many, so many times, hundreds, maybe thousands of
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00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,760
times.
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00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:33,760
But while I was in the hospital, after the big bleed out weekend, after that weekend,
624
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I was reading in Luke, in Luke chapter 20 verse 36, and it says that we are children
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00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,440
of God and that we are children of the resurrection.
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00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,800
And I was like, well, I've never seen that before.
627
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,120
I've never, I've never heard people preach on that before.
628
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,920
This was like somebody, God had just written that in for me.
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And I was like, well, I'm a child of the resurrection.
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00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,040
I've got this promise.
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00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,440
I've got this resurrection hope.
632
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:09,920
I've been through the resurrection, but I've also got God's resurrection power in me now
633
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,080
because I'm a child of the resurrection.
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00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,520
So I'm not afraid to die.
635
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,200
I'm not, yeah, it's always, I don't want to die.
636
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,360
Well, thank you for distinguishing the two because they're different.
637
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,880
Not having a fear of death is different than wanting to die now.
638
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,200
You can get rid of the fear of death and still want to be alive.
639
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,200
There's so much to live for.
640
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,440
There's our families and loved ones and things that we can learn and great things that we
641
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,800
can experience here.
642
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,920
So no, no, no, we don't want to die even if we don't have a fear of it.
643
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,920
Yeah.
644
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,920
Okay.
645
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,280
You mentioned so many times the word hope and let's leave it on that.
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00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,040
What is your message of hope to share?
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00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:04,800
If I may, my message of hope is put your faith in God because God is real.
648
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,960
Jesus did come to die so that we could have a relationship with God, the Father and the
649
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,960
Holy Spirit.
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00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:18,080
So put your faith in God and believe because God is real.
651
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,280
There is hope for eternity.
652
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,280
There is hope for life after death.
653
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,040
There is hope even now because we're children of resurrection.
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00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,680
There's hope now to live a better life.
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00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,080
But it's not just when we die and so there, we can have that now.
656
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:43,240
That is our inheritance and to have an inheritance, somebody needs to die and Jesus died on the
657
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,080
cross so that we can have that inheritance.
658
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,200
So we can have hope now.
659
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,080
We can have hope in the future and our lives can change now for the better.
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00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,600
So that's my message.
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00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:01,720
I think, you know, is believe in God because God is real and he's there and he loves you
662
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:02,720
so much.
663
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,560
God is not angry with us in that sense.
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God loves us and when I was leading out, I did feel God's love, deep love there and
665
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,640
even more so now.
666
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,800
If I can make it, if I may say that, that's my message.
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00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,800
Well said.
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00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,800
Thank you for being with us today, Kevin.
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Thank you for this opportunity.
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It's been great.
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Thanks again for listening and remember to share this podcast.
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To be notified when the next episode goes live, follow us on your podcasting app or
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00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,200
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Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.
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I had intense fear and panic because we were obviously crashing. Out of my heart came the
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thought, oh god help, I'm going to die.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was a good 45 minutes.
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It's determined that I was not breathing for 20 minutes.
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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. And I could
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see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realise that was actually my physical body
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because I was somewhere else.
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By which you went to the past far, in the afternoon, by half past seven I was dead, clinically
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dead, four minutes.
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And they were crying because I was dead and I was trying to tell them no, I'm not dead,
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I'm just fine, I'm okay.
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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
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I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful, soothing,
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loving energy.
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I'm back with God again, I just felt this all in my two release, like, wow, I'm back,
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I'm back home again.
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Incredibly safe and felt at home, I'd come back home, it was a very strong feeling, I've
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come back home.
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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
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anything else to be felt.
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And light is literally emitting from him and I could feel that that tremendous amount
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of love was coming through him as well.
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They were brighter than everybody else and I just knew who they were.
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Welcome everybody to Around Trip Death and welcome to our special guest today, Kevin
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Hill from Darby, Across the Pond.
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And Kevin, how are you today?
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I'm doing good.
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It's been a busy week but I'm doing good, I'm doing really good.
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Okay, what's it like in that area where you live?
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I live in the countryside now, so lots of cows, lots of horses, lots of sheep, lots of tractors,
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so I have to play dodge with all of those.
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My rush hour is getting through the cows.
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As you say that, I'm picturing the Clarkson Family Farm reality show.
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Have you ever seen that?
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I have not, no.
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Okay.
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Well, it's Clarkson, the guy that has the other TV show about race cars and stuff.
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And anyway, he's turned himself into a farmer now and there's a reality show based on it
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and it shows the beautiful countryside.
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I don't know where it is from you but it's over in your neighborhood somewhere and it's
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farms and cows and that kind of thing and really beautiful.
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So we've got lots of fields, lots of trees, it's really good and we've got lots of animals
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as well.
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The other day, I woke up by peacocks on the roof and in the garden.
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I don't know where they come from but we have peacocks.
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Sounds fun.
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Well, tell us a little bit more about you.
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I grew up in Sheffield which is a bit more north from where I am now.
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I used to be a big steel city.
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I am a twin and I went to Taiwan for 10 years and when I was in Taiwan, I got married to
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a Chinese lady and I now have four children, three of which were born in Taiwan.
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One was born here, the youngest was born here.
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We came back to England in 2008.
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We came back.
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So girl boy, girl boy, nice even.
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Let the dogs out.
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You can get crazy.
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Sounds like a lot of fun.
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Are they grown now or are they little kids?
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Well, the youngest is 13, the oldest is 19, 19 years at university.
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The 18-year-old is just finishing college.
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We have school going to college and universities so it's not college as universities.
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It's slightly lower level.
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I don't know if you might call it high school or something like that.
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When we go from high school to and then if we continue school, it's either a college
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like a community college or a university.
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It's not like you do one and then you do the other after that, although you can do grad
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school after that and those kind of things.
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But hey, let's get back to what we're talking about today, which is near-death experiences
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because you are an experiencer and you've had a couple of experiences.
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Tell us about the first one first.
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I know there's not as much to tell about this as there is the second one, but what happened
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the first time?
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Just to give you a bit of background, so you know where I'm coming from is I spent one
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year in hospital.
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I had a super rare condition.
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It was called calciflaxis.
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That means that there was dead skin eating my live skin.
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The mortality rate of that is 98%.
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That means death rate is 98%.
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Survival rate is 2%.
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And yeah, because I'm on the show, it killed me twice.
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So you were the 98% and the 2%.
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That's awesome.
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I've not thought about that before.
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Yes, I can use that.
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All right.
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Tell us about the first time.
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So I don't remember much about the first time, but I had sepsis.
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They moved me from one hospital because I was supposed to have a heart develop operation.
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So they moved me back to the hospital nearer to my home.
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And I had sepsis.
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So I had 10 days where I had no food.
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My grasp on reality was all over the place apparently.
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And sometimes apparently I was just babbling.
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But yeah, I had sepsis.
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I had 10 days with no food.
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And at some point, I died.
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And you know this because the medical staff informed you afterwards?
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Because I don't remember much about this one.
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But the nurse came back.
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You're like, oh, you scared us because you died and we had to bring you back to life again.
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OK, great.
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Brilliant.
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Thank you.
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Because my wife had been arguing with the doctor, because the doctor said that I signed
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a do not resuscitate order.
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And my wife was like, no, he wouldn't sign that.
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We're not signing that.
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So if he does die, bring him back to life.
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So they brought me back to life.
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This would be a very quiet show today if she hadn't stepped in and done that.
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I'd be just talking to myself.
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But yeah, the nurse came in and talked to me and said, yeah, we lost you.
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They didn't say how long that was for this time.
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They just said, you know, you died, but we came back, come back to life.
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So that was good.
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So they carried on with the treatment and we got rid of the sepsis.
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They started feeding me again.
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Because they wanted to do more tests.
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I'm like, I don't need tests.
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I need food.
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And they started giving me food.
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Oh, I started to recover.
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Surprise.
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You know, I'm not a doctor, so I don't know why they wouldn't feed you.
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Did they tell you why?
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Don't know why.
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They just said they wanted to do more tests.
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We'll have to get a doctor on sometime to enlighten us on that.
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How long ago was this?
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This was about one and a half years ago.
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So quite recent?
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So I was in hospital about September 20, 21, September 22.
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So you've just been out of the hospital, you know, less than a year, a little over six
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months now, nine months.
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Anyway, OK, if there's not much more from that first thing, then let's go ahead.
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How much further chronologically was it until the second time that you died?
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This is the second time I died was about one year ago.
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We just passed the one year anniversary of that, so a year.
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And what happened this time?
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This was a lot more.
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I remember it a lot more.
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It was a lot more dramatic.
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You can see that.
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So Friday, Saturday, Sunday, because as I said, I have calciflaxis, which is dead skin, eating
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my large skin.
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I had that all over my legs and my sides.
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It was spreading.
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Even though it's dead, it does spread apparently.
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And I also have with that it caused deep skin.
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Well, let me explain these five levels of what it is.
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So level one is just like a scratch.
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Level two is you just take a little bit of skin off.
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Level three, you've gone deep into your flesh and you've taken some of the flesh out.
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Level four is that you've got really, really deep and there's a lot of flesh missing.
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And level five is basically blowing you.
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There's nothing you can do with level five.
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That's really beyond repair.
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My wounds were three and four, depending on where they were.
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So this day, Friday, I was okay.
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I didn't feel anything.
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Well, the pain was excruciating pain.
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I had pain.
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My pain levels threw the roof one to 10, 10 being excruciating pain.
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I was on the 200 and I'm not joking.
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I was like, the pain is really intense.
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do too much?
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They would give me all the strong stuff and I was on four pain killers, strong pain killers.
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And then a few minutes later, I'm begging them, begging, please give me some more because
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I'm in so much pain and we can't forgive you anymore.
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You're a low D.
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So it's like, okay.
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So you've got two choices, either cry and shout all day because you're in pain or you
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just kind of push through that and you put up with it.
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You're not ignoring it because you can't ignore it, but it's not dominating it.
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the pain.
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So the pain was still very high, but because of the deep wounds, I bled out.
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So the nerves come in and you know, you're bleeding.
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Mr. Hill, you're bleeding.
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So they looked to my legs and my bed was just covered with blood.
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We're talking rivers of blood, biblical plague level of blood, paint the walls blood.
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And there was so much blood.
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And my leg was bleeding and my side was bleeding.
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This out, this was a continuous bleeding for three days, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and
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just bleed, bleed.
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We couldn't do anything to stop it.
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They tried, we call them nappy, but you call them diapers.
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So they're trying to absorb all the blood and trying to stop the bleeding.
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It was three locations, two on my legs and one on my side, all on my right side.
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So my lower leg, my thigh and my side.
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So when you say you bled out, were they giving you transfusions at the same time to try to
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keep up?
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I lost so much blood.
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They gave me, okay, I'll see if I can work it out.
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So they gave me five pints of blood in English and that's about two liters, just over two
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liters of blood in Americans.
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So about half of my blood was lost, at least, maybe more.
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So just to give you those that lighten the numbers, 30% blood loss is critical.
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You are at the danger level, 30%.
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40% or above you're dead.
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Your body shuts down, goes into shop, you're dead.
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I had half of my body's blood had to be put into me again, but infusion, yes.
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because I was just bleeding and it couldn't stop.
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I don't know quite when I died.
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This is one of the second time when I died.
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And again, they told you after the fact, your heart had stopped, you were gone, we brought
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you back.
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Yes, but this time I knew.
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I was separate from my body.
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Yeah, I've seen some people have said, oh, I was looking down, floating over my body.
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That wasn't me.
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Some people said I've seen a white light and I didn't.
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I knew I was separate from my body.
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Okay, let's go through this part step by step, detail by detail.
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So you said, I believe in your words, you were separated from your body.
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Explain that and how do you know that?
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Okay, I'm glad I'm on this show because your followers will understand this a bit more and
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believe a bit more.
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And by the way, for our listeners, Kevin has not talked about this very much.
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So give him a break that it's hard to put into words at this point.
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Okay, go ahead, Kevin.
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Thank you for that.
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It is, yeah, because it's still a very recent thing.
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I only came out a few months ago, out of hospital a few months.
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So like now, I'm in my body, I'm conscious.
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I can feel my body and everything, my thoughts, everything is together.
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That time it was separate.
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I knew my body was kind of there and I was in, the best I can say is I was in the spirit
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realm.
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I wasn't in the physical realm.
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I was in the spirit realm.
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I was very aware that I was bleeding.
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I knew I was bleeding out.
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I knew it was serious and dangerous.
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I knew that I was bleeding from three parts of my leg and body.
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I was aware of who was in and out of the room.
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But I wasn't in the bed looking around.
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I was kind of looking, but not over the body, some people have said.
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That may be their experience for me, it wasn't that, but I was, it was like I was watching
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a movie of my life, it was pain.
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I wasn't scared.
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I wasn't afraid.
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I had a lot of peace at this point.
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Were you still feeling pain?
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My body was.
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I was not.
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I don't know if you can understand that because I was in the spirit realm.
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There wasn't a pain, but I was conscious that my body was in pain.
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The nurses and doctors were rushing in and out.
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The emergency alarm was going off all through the weekend.
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So my body was in pain.
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My body was, well, with the blood loss.
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So my body was.
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So did you feel like you went someplace or you were just separated from the body?
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I definitely went someplace, but it wasn't, it wasn't a journey.
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I was just there.
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I didn't, so I didn't get on the bus or didn't get in a car, taxi, drive off or anything like
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that.
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You were just there.
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Hey, tell us where you were.
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What did you experience?
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See, feel here?
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I was at peace.
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I was, I was at peace because at my side, I, I believe there was Jesus Christ was there.
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Jesus was there at my side all the way through this.
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I didn't see him.
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I would have loved to see him.
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That would have been pretty awesome.
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But he was there and I could sense him.
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I could feel him.
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I don't know.
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I think I could have turned around and looked and would have been there.
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I don't know.
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But it was there because my physical body was elsewhere and I was in the spirit realm.
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It's just that I knew it was there, a sense that Jesus was there.
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I was like, this is going to be, this is going to be good because Jesus is there.
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He's going to help me through this.
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So I had that hope.
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I had that peace because I wasn't alone.
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You know, even though I was aware of people running around and doing things, I was in
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the spirit realm.
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So I was there and I was aware of things, people coming in and how my body bleeding.
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I didn't feel the blood coming out or feel the pain.
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I knew this was happening and I knew Jesus was at my side.
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He really gave me so much peace and hope.
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But other than that, I knew it was very serious, but I knew it wouldn't end in death.
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I was like, this is not my time to die.
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And I had that hope in me.
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It's not my time.
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So I kind of relaxed at that point because it's not my time.
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But I wasn't anxious.
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I was peaceful and it was almost like a revelation to understand that it's not my time.
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I'm okay.
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I'm going to be okay.
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It's not my time.
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So I had peace.
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So I was able to relax and just see what was going on.
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The time moved differently.
326
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In the physical world, it was three days.
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But there just seemed a few moments.
328
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It was time moved.
329
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So I was somewhere else, but I didn't feel transported there.
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I was just there.
331
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So it's a bit of a long answer to a short question.
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Do you remember seeing anything or was it much more of a feeling of all of this?
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I could see myself.
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I could see my body.
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I could see me bleeding.
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I could see the people coming in and out of the room.
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But Jesus, it was just a feeling.
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It was just a very, very deep feeling and sense that he was there.
339
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And I didn't see or feel anything else.
340
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I was just all in the room.
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I knew I wasn't in the room.
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I'm trying to grasp all this, being in the room but not in the room.
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It's like I was sat in the front row of the movie theater.
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And I was watching a movie of this guy dying and this guy was bleeding out.
345
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And all the doctors were coming in, nurses were coming in and watching.
346
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And I was sat there.
347
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,560
It was like I was sat there watching that movie.
348
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,080
So I wasn't part of the movie set.
349
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,800
I was a spectator, not participant.
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Does that help a little bit more?
351
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,400
Yeah, yeah, that helps.
352
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,960
And it's amazing how often this is described to me so very matter-of-factly.
353
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,680
Like there was my body, here was me.
354
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,720
And there's no fear like, ah, I've got to hurry and get back in my body or something.
355
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Did you feel any of that?
356
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,520
Like you wanted to go back?
357
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It sounded like you wanted to live.
358
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,520
And what was it like going back to your body?
359
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I wanted to live, yes.
360
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:35,000
I'm a Christian so I'm okay dying because I believe I'm going to go to heaven anyway.
361
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,600
So I wasn't afraid of death.
362
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,400
I've not been afraid of death for a long time.
363
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,280
But yes, I wanted to live.
364
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:48,000
I've got a wife for children and they were devastated through all this.
365
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,880
It was a long traumatic ordeal.
366
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,040
To be honest, it's one that could have been prevented and I didn't have to go through
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this because this was doctors and medical staff error.
368
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,880
You know, what did this and then that caused the perfect storm for me to get this condition.
369
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,200
It's not a red-each-a, it's not contagious.
370
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,480
I was one in five people.
371
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,640
So the UK is just short of 68 million people.
372
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:25,880
So I was one in five out of the whole population, just five of us at this.
373
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,480
One had already died, one had it very mild so he was okay.
374
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,040
There was, I think, a bit too, I didn't know at that moment.
375
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,520
So one in five, that is, those were numbers again.
376
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:49,920
So 4.0007% of the population.
377
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,520
So astronomical odds of getting this.
378
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,400
I wanted to live.
379
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,320
I wanted to be back with my family.
380
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,000
And I searched a strong sense that it was not my time.
381
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,360
I've got so much more to do.
382
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:08,680
I've got things to do.
383
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,880
And the world needs Kevin Hill to be alive at this stage.
384
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,960
But yeah, I wanted to live.
385
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,160
But I felt no urgency to rush back into my body.
386
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,280
As I said, time moved very differently.
387
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,120
I wanted to keep observing.
388
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:29,440
It was like watching the movie, like, okay, what's going to happen next?
389
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,440
What's next?
390
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,400
But I was in no rush.
391
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,720
I didn't, time moved differently.
392
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,200
And more slowly, well, slowly or not at all.
393
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,400
But I wasn't like, okay, go get back and go back.
394
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,800
No, it was none of that.
395
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,800
Okay, all right, what's happening next?
396
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:51,120
When it was time, maybe it was just like, I'm getting tired.
397
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,800
I need to sleep.
398
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,000
And then I just closed my eyes and went to sleep.
399
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,520
And I woke up Monday morning.
400
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,080
Hey, how are you doing?
401
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,520
Good morning, everybody.
402
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,040
And they were like, Kevin, you're back.
403
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:08,640
And I was like, yeah, you'd like to go anywhere?
404
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:15,840
And then, then Drs. and nurses and my wife, well, my wife didn't say too much at that
405
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,840
point.
406
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,960
It was later when she was able to talk about it.
407
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,280
Yeah, they were just like, you come back.
408
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,280
This is a miracle.
409
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,440
You know, you're a miracle man.
410
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,200
But the miracles, I believe God did.
411
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,760
I can't make myself live or die.
412
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,680
I can try and make myself die, but you can't make yourself live again in that sense other
413
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,600
than having that desire to live.
414
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,480
Was this event the turning point and you started getting better finally after this?
415
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,000
Yes, amazing.
416
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,800
Dreading more and more.
417
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:57,680
I was getting, I had like a checklist going down all the infections.
418
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:04,920
Okay, I've done the A's, done the B's, okay, see, whatever infection, yeah, next.
419
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,000
I had loads and loads of infections.
420
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:17,280
I couldn't keep up, you know, and the antibiotics, you know, I'd be able to get stopped and then
421
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,280
I'd get a new one.
422
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,960
And is that how they treat this as strong antibiotics?
423
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,800
I had strong antibiotics.
424
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,680
I had strong painkillers.
425
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,320
You didn't quite know what to do with me.
426
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,600
You know, so I had all sorts of dressings on my legs and they were very painful to take
427
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,880
off, to clean, put back on.
428
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:48,240
But that weekend, beginning of June last year, that weekend, that was a breakthrough.
429
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,680
That was a turning point.
430
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:57,240
Because when I came back into my body, my body started to heal, the dead skin started
431
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,760
to fall off.
432
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,760
I was able to start sitting, because I was bed bound for a year.
433
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,000
I couldn't move in the bed hardly at all because of all this.
434
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,000
And I started to, I was able to start to sit up and I was able to stand up and start taking
435
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,000
a few steps.
436
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,360
I've had to learn to walk again.
437
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,880
I've had to learn to eat again.
438
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,960
It's like literally like a new baby.
439
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,280
And to be honest, I had to learn to pee again because I had a catheter for one year.
440
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,680
And so I had to do everything again.
441
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Again, it's all I knew.
442
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,880
So in one sense, I'm a new person.
443
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:45,440
But it was really amazing because at that point, things with the doctors started, they
444
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:53,080
seem to know what they were doing now and the medicine seemed to start working.
445
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:59,120
And yes, there was a lot of people praying as well for me to get well, to be healed.
446
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:04,880
That week, the week after, I was getting stronger and stronger and stronger.
447
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:12,280
And to the point that last September, it was really funny.
448
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,520
I woke up and I had my breakfast and I was waiting for the doctor to come around in the
449
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:26,160
morning and the nurse and the sister, they came and is that Mr. Helm, it's time to go
450
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,160
home.
451
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,000
I thought, brilliant, that's really funny.
452
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,400
And they're like, this is 10 o'clock in the morning.
453
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,640
They're like, no, we'll see this.
454
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,680
You've got to go.
455
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,520
The next thing you do is you have to go home.
456
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,040
And I'm like, I'm not ready.
457
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,040
I've not done anything.
458
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,320
I've not said my goodbyes.
459
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,360
I've not done anything.
460
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,440
And so very, very quickly, they got me ready.
461
00:28:53,440 --> 00:29:00,880
I got dressed, got me ready and bunged me in a taxi cab, zoomed home and I was home.
462
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,880
And could you even walk?
463
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,880
A few steps.
464
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,880
A few steps.
465
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,760
Just barely into the house, hopefully.
466
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,320
When I left the ward, the hospital ward, I was determined to walk down the ward.
467
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:22,240
So I had my pictures and each step was agony.
468
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,040
I'm walking.
469
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:29,160
All the nurses were excited to me, wait, if I fall to catch me.
470
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,760
I was like, no, I'm walking to the end of the ward to get out of the door.
471
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,120
Each step was agony.
472
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,760
I was determined to do it.
473
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:45,240
And the nurses, they lined the ward and they were still talking and cheering and I was
474
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,240
crying.
475
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,240
They were crying.
476
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,240
It was amazing.
477
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,760
You don't have any video of that, do you?
478
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,280
I do actually, yes.
479
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,840
Will you send it to me?
480
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,640
We'll post it someplace with this.
481
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,640
I will, yes.
482
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,640
I will.
483
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,640
Yes, send me.
484
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,120
Let me know where I can send it.
485
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,360
I'll send that to you.
486
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,360
That'd be awesome.
487
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,360
I just got out, just one second, I just got out the ward door and I collapsed into the
488
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,360
wheelchair.
489
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,360
Take me home.
490
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,360
That's awesome.
491
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,720
How has this all changed your life?
492
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,400
Are you, is Kevin the same person that he was a couple of years ago?
493
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,200
It changed me and it changed my family.
494
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,560
My family was so stressed out, so afraid.
495
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,440
So is dad going to die?
496
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,560
His mum would come home and say dad died.
497
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,920
They was that fear, constantly with them.
498
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,480
They knew it was bad and they found out I'd died as well.
499
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:47,240
So that was, I mean, I came back to life and the emotions, the emotional world for them
500
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,600
was up, down, they were very stressed.
501
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:58,200
But the week I came out, atmosphere in the house, everybody just a big sigh of relief.
502
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,480
That fear went, it was able to relax, get on with life.
503
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,840
I mean, it's not been easy.
504
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,360
You know, it's a very traumatic time for the whole family.
505
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,680
For me, it's given me a renewed purpose.
506
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:19,760
It's given me a renewed purpose because when you are dying or have the fear of death or
507
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,520
actually dying a couple of times, your focus changes.
508
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:31,640
My wife was putting on my socks at one point and I didn't get it quite right and I was
509
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,960
like, just leave it, it doesn't matter.
510
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,360
You know, I've got to get it right, it doesn't matter.
511
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,440
Come and talk to me.
512
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:46,040
My focus now is spend more time with my family as much as I can.
513
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Do things with my family as much as I can and to my friends as well.
514
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,520
I've got hope.
515
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,520
My wife's got hope.
516
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,000
My kids have got hope.
517
00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:00,920
And they've seen the miracle because I was in hospital.
518
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,360
I defied all these odds.
519
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,760
I came back to life.
520
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,440
Now I'm learning to work again.
521
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,960
I'm getting stronger and stronger.
522
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,720
I've got a renewed passion for life.
523
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,680
I want to look at what's important.
524
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,720
Because you kind of, people say, no, I don't.
525
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,360
I love my family.
526
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:29,000
People do kind of drift off and they just get into their own little world.
527
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,880
But when you go through something like this, you experience this.
528
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,040
You change and your priorities change.
529
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,600
I want to love my wife more and more.
530
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,040
I choose to love my wife every day.
531
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,920
I choose to love my family.
532
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,040
Yeah, I still sometimes get mad and get angry, but it's not okay.
533
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,640
I try and bring that in.
534
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,600
I try to do as much as I can with the kids.
535
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,400
Because life is my focus now.
536
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:08,560
Not just working, not just trying to earn that extra dollar.
537
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,360
It's not worth it if it's going to kill you.
538
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,320
If it's going to put a strain on your family.
539
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:21,480
So my focus has changed now to love people more.
540
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,920
And for my wife and my family is to spend more time with them and be with them.
541
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,960
But also other people.
542
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,960
So give them hope.
543
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Helping others prepare for eternity.
544
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,120
Because there is something out there.
545
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,880
This is definitely not the end.
546
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:41,880
There is hope.
547
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,880
There is another realm, a spirit realm.
548
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,520
So don't be afraid.
549
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,240
Don't give up.
550
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,480
And have hope.
551
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920
And enjoy life with your family.
552
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,680
Spend time with your family.
553
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,080
Because we never know what's going to happen.
554
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,240
We never know when we're going to die.
555
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I've got some extra years.
556
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I don't know how long, but I'm going to live these as much as I can to the fullest I can.
557
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That's a beautiful message.
558
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,600
You mentioned that you are Christian.
559
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How has this improved your faith or has it?
560
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Tremendously.
561
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It really has.
562
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,320
I did believe in God before.
563
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I've been a Christian for a long time.
564
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I was active in Christian ministry.
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I was a pastor of a church.
566
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I set all that to stop.
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But I've not questioned God why did this happen to me.
568
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I've never done that.
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It's not a path I would have chosen.
570
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,120
I really, really didn't want to be a modern day Lazarus.
571
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,360
I didn't want that.
572
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But hey, here I am.
573
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,960
Some people have said, oh, you like Joe.
574
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You like Lazarus.
575
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But I think also like Jonah.
576
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Jonah was in the whales belly for three days and the whales spat him out.
577
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So you've got to imagine that he had seaweed everywhere.
578
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,320
His clothes and his skin was burnt with the stomach acids.
579
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,400
And then he comes along, repent, turn to God.
580
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Yeah, I'd repent.
581
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Yeah, okay, yes.
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And he had 100% success in his ministry.
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God saved my life and I've got a renewed passion to preach and to share God's love, God's power.
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This God I talk about is a real God.
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He's not an angry God.
586
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,040
God was there all the time with me.
587
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Even though there's times I got very dark and very deep, it was like God always pulled
588
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me back out.
589
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It strengthened my faith.
590
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,680
God showed me lots of things I studied at during the hospital and afterwards.
591
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And now I just want to go around the world.
592
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I want to share this story that Jesus raised me back from the dead.
593
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I am a modern day Lazarus.
594
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,960
But it's not to be like, hey, I'm better than you.
595
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I'm chosen.
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00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,960
I'm not.
597
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It's just this is what God decided to do with me.
598
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,920
I think that certainly certain children.
599
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Yeah, do you want to, let's see, do you want a nice, fishy life?
600
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,080
Or do you want to die a few times in an excruciating pain?
601
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,360
Let me think.
602
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,600
I believe God's given me some more years and I just want to get my story out there.
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God's love, God's power, God's miracles.
604
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,880
And there is hope.
605
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,360
Well, I appreciate you sharing it here, one of the first places that you have.
606
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,960
Just before we wrap up here, you mentioned that you don't fear death.
607
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,880
You know, all of us do in some way.
608
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:09,840
Even if we have faith, there's in the back of your mind, we're born with this self-preservation
609
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:19,280
instinct, which is a little bit different than fearing death, but they go hand in hand.
610
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,280
Where was that?
611
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,080
If you could do a scale of one to 10, where were you before this experience?
612
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,680
Where are you now after?
613
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,440
That's a good question.
614
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:36,080
I think before, I probably say about six, I didn't fear death, but there are certain
615
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,800
ways I don't want to die, but after this experience is changed.
616
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:51,920
So I think before six, I think now, I would say nine, ten, I really don't fear death.
617
00:37:51,920 --> 00:38:01,160
I'm even more sure I've got the confidence because I believe that God has made me his
618
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:07,560
child and that's what the Bible says, that I'm a child of God.
619
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:14,320
And one of the things that I also read, I don't know if you, I mean, I became a Christian
620
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:20,960
when I was 17 and I've read the Bible so many times.
621
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,760
And I've read the Gospel of Luke so many, so many times, hundreds, maybe thousands of
622
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,760
times.
623
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:33,760
But while I was in the hospital, after the big bleed out weekend, after that weekend,
624
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:40,280
I was reading in Luke, in Luke chapter 20 verse 36, and it says that we are children
625
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,440
of God and that we are children of the resurrection.
626
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,800
And I was like, well, I've never seen that before.
627
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,120
I've never, I've never heard people preach on that before.
628
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,920
This was like somebody, God had just written that in for me.
629
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,240
And I was like, well, I'm a child of the resurrection.
630
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,040
I've got this promise.
631
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,440
I've got this resurrection hope.
632
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:09,920
I've been through the resurrection, but I've also got God's resurrection power in me now
633
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,080
because I'm a child of the resurrection.
634
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,520
So I'm not afraid to die.
635
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,200
I'm not, yeah, it's always, I don't want to die.
636
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,360
Well, thank you for distinguishing the two because they're different.
637
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,880
Not having a fear of death is different than wanting to die now.
638
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,200
You can get rid of the fear of death and still want to be alive.
639
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,200
There's so much to live for.
640
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,440
There's our families and loved ones and things that we can learn and great things that we
641
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,800
can experience here.
642
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,920
So no, no, no, we don't want to die even if we don't have a fear of it.
643
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,920
Yeah.
644
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,920
Okay.
645
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,280
You mentioned so many times the word hope and let's leave it on that.
646
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,040
What is your message of hope to share?
647
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:04,800
If I may, my message of hope is put your faith in God because God is real.
648
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,960
Jesus did come to die so that we could have a relationship with God, the Father and the
649
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,960
Holy Spirit.
650
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:18,080
So put your faith in God and believe because God is real.
651
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,280
There is hope for eternity.
652
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,280
There is hope for life after death.
653
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,040
There is hope even now because we're children of resurrection.
654
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,680
There's hope now to live a better life.
655
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,080
But it's not just when we die and so there, we can have that now.
656
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:43,240
That is our inheritance and to have an inheritance, somebody needs to die and Jesus died on the
657
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,080
cross so that we can have that inheritance.
658
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,200
So we can have hope now.
659
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,080
We can have hope in the future and our lives can change now for the better.
660
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,600
So that's my message.
661
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:01,720
I think, you know, is believe in God because God is real and he's there and he loves you
662
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:02,720
so much.
663
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,560
God is not angry with us in that sense.
664
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:13,120
God loves us and when I was leading out, I did feel God's love, deep love there and
665
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,640
even more so now.
666
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,800
If I can make it, if I may say that, that's my message.
667
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,800
Well said.
668
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,800
Thank you for being with us today, Kevin.
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00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,800
Thank you for this opportunity.
670
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,800
It's been great.
671
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:29,720
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