Yvonne's NDE: Jesus' Embrace Felt Like Both Father & Mother (Part 1)

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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.

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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.

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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my

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physical body because I was somewhere else.

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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't

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anything else to be felt.

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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.

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I'm back home again.

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Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and welcome to our special guest, Yvonne Sneedon.

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Did I say that right, Yvonne?

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It was perfect, really perfect, Eric.

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Yes, I'm glad to be here with you.

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It is great to have you.

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I love your accent.

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Tell us where you're from.

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My accent is actually, I'm French.

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My first language is French.

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I grew up in Belgium in the city of Brussels, which Belgium for people that wonder where

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it is, it's the country between France and Germany.

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And it's a trilingual country.

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And I speak, I'm from the French portion of the country.

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There you have three languages, French, Dutch, and German.

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And I'm on the French side.

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And somehow you learned English too.

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Good job.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I said 16, I took it in high school, in mid, so, and later on in college.

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How long have you lived in this country?

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Since 2001.

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Okay.

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Is there anything else you'd like to tell our listeners so they can just know who Yvonne

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is a little bit?

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No, of course.

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So I moved to the US in 2001.

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And I have a daughter, she's 28, and she is a wonderful psychotherapist.

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She's the joy of my life.

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I work in IT right now, in one of the largest IT company in the US or in the world.

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It's an amazing, very human, very loving company.

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I mean, I'm feeling very blessed to be working there.

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And also I am the co-producer of a documentary called Back from the Light, which focuses

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on people that had near-death experiences and specifically the after effects, how they

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feel and how they live on Earth after such an experience.

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And I ask you a couple of questions about that before we get into your near-death experience.

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And that is, tell me why you think it's often difficult for people after they've had an

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NDE to go back to a regular life?

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Well, you know, I often give this picture.

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So everyone was living their life here on Earth.

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And then when we die and we go to the other world, it's as if we're waking up from a

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dream and the dream is Earth and all our concept of reality is much heightened in that other

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world and it's so fantastic and filled with love and no stress, no hate, no anger, nothing,

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just love and beautiful kindness.

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And then people come back here in this world that has so many challenges.

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I'm always giving the picture, for example, if we live in a jungle or in a swamp.

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I mean, I'm sorry to say that that way, but there's a lot of challenge on Earth every

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day.

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And then you don't realize it because you were born in it.

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And then suddenly you're moving to the best place in pristine and the sun is shining.

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There's nothing, beautiful mountains and lake.

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And then suddenly you're forced to go back to that jungle.

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Now before you didn't know you were in the jungle, but now you know you are in the jungle

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because now you have a point of comparison, which is that amazing place and it creates

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a lot of depression on people because they don't want to be here.

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They want to be back and they also have felt who they really are, who we really are outside

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our body here and outside our life here.

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And now coming back, it almost feels like you have to do a new play.

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You're playing, you're not real because you know who you are in the other world.

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So it's very difficult for some people coming in.

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And then also there's a lot of side effects for people when we come back, when people

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come back, a lot of them change their way of eating.

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The diet style is different, more holistic.

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Spiritually people are changed, whether they have, regarding of rich religion or spirituality,

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whether they are actually embracing before they become more universally spiritual.

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Love as well, because you've been really baited in love.

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So you have a lot of empathy and compassion.

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And when you come back here, you suck all the pain of people.

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And so you have to kind of learn to just protect yourself.

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There's so many, many, there's a long list.

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Ions actually has made some studies about that.

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There's a long list of after effect.

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And we approached that in the documentary.

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We went to film people in their home and talk to their family as well, because the families

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also are affected by that change.

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Well, and if I can add to that, some people tell me they really miss it.

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So that's another emotion to deal with.

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And then you mentioned how people are changed.

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And some people have what I like to refer to as spiritual gifts.

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In other words, they, well, some become mediums because of it.

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They are relating to spirits or hearing or seeing or all kinds of other things or all

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kinds of very intuitiveness that they didn't have before.

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And some of those are great.

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And people go, oh, yeah, I like this.

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But for some other people, it's more like, I can't turn it off.

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And I wish I could.

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You know, I'm a little bit overwhelming.

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You're right.

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My sister also had an experience in in in Brussels, actually.

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And after when she came back, she said she couldn't go back to work for a few months.

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And she said she couldn't even go out because walking in the street, she could feel every

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emotions of people, which can be overwhelming when it's depression, despair.

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And she had a hard time on that one as well.

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We had one of one of my favorite interviews is maybe I'll stick this in the show notes.

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We had somebody on a year or so ago who lives in England.

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And when she came back, she could hear the thoughts of animals.

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That's amazing.

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All animals.

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That's amazing.

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Yeah.

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And it was great.

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And it was also very difficult.

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Like she can't go to a zoo because it's way too much.

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But she will, she can be in a park and a dog will come up to her.

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And all of a sudden she's hearing, oh, I don't like the food.

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This guy is feeding me and this leash is too tight.

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Or, you know, whatever it is.

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Anyway, so there are all kinds of things that happen.

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And I find it just absolutely fascinating.

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Yeah.

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And I see you have a beautiful cat back there behind you.

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Yes.

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This is Maddie.

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Maddie was my daughter's cat and she moved out and her fiance has a dog.

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And so they, so I kept the cat because Maddie likes to be on her own.

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All of our animals have come from kids moving out and leaving them behind.

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I can relate.

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That's exactly my story.

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Okay.

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I want to jump into your, your NDEs.

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In fact, you had two of them and we're going to go in reverse order.

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We're going to start with the second one.

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Okay.

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If that's okay with you.

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So how many years ago was this and what was going on with your health that led up to this

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experience?

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So my near-death experience happened in 2008 as I had moved to the U.S. and working hard

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for making a living for my daughter and myself.

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I was divorced very, very quickly after I moved to the U.S. and so I had to make a living

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and I worked, I overworked, I guess, and because I had to rebuild my life and my daughter's

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life and make sure she had the same opportunities as everyone else.

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I had two, the two things were happening at the same time.

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I felt in my heart that I was at the end of my life on earth.

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It's very, very unique.

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I've had it only once in my life.

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I felt that the energy of my life was running out just like you see those ads on battery

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on television with that rabbit.

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I don't want to say the name, but it's okay.

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It's moving with, and then the battery starts to slow and that rabbit's slow and then it's

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over.

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So I really, really felt that the battery of my life was done and I knew I was going

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to die.

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And then even I called my sister in Brussels and I said, Mimi, I know, I think I'm going

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to die, but don't worry, I'm okay.

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I'm okay.

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She was like, what?

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I mean, no, you're not okay.

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And she was so worried.

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At the same time of that, I was developing arrhythmia.

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I didn't know yet because that it was arrhythmia.

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I went to the cardiologist.

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My heart was racing uncontrollably.

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Oftentimes in the evening when I was laying and I went to the cardiologist and he said

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that I was developing arrhythmia.

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He gave me some medication to take whenever I had a crisis or an episode, which instead,

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I often say that I had an accidental overdose because instead of waiting for the attack,

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it was so scary.

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I don't know if anyone has had that, but it's really your heart is racing and there's

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nothing you can do.

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You can try to calm.

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It's not calming.

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So I was so afraid to have another crisis.

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I took the medication just to make sure I wouldn't, but that's not the thing to do when

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your heart is beating normally that day.

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So that's why I said I had those two events happening at the same time.

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I'm feeling that was the end of my life, the cardiologist giving me those medication.

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Because I knew I was going to die, I was putting the best nightgowns or pyjamas.

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And during the day, I was rule all every day.

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If the ambulance came, you were going to look beautiful.

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Good job.

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I was presentable.

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I was thinking, you think of all kinds of things when you know you are going to die

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that you don't think of.

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So and then my sister was worried, but I was in total peace and it doesn't make sense because

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my daughter was living with me.

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So it's almost like heaven or the other side or the other world had already given me that

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peace for the journey I was going to take.

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So you took this medication accidentally overdosed.

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Was there a point where your heart stopped, the paramedics came?

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Give us a quick on that point and then let's jump into what happened.

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So for my heart stopped, I didn't have the paramedic coming.

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As you know, I had two near that experience and each time with a medication and later

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on I knew I had gone and I was dead.

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That was for sure.

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But then I went to the anesthesis at Duke Hospital told me that that medication was

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creating two different side effects.

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The first one was sleep apnea, which was my first NDE and the second one heart stop, which

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was my second.

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And she said to me that I was very fortunate that I was still alive, but because she knew

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that the dosage and my heart state, I could have just not come back.

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And then I was very fortunate.

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So your heart actually stopped?

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Yes.

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And what do you remember happening to you at that point?

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So here I am not realizing because it's my second NDE.

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I didn't realize that that medication was creating that stops.

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So I'm here in the afternoon reading on the sofa.

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I had taken the medication and then out of a sudden I feel my organs shutting down and

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I'm instantly in God's light, in the light or in Creator's light.

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The shift was instant.

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I was just instantly in God's light.

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I was completely, I was a spirit or a soul that had no memory of Earth.

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I was just basking in God's light or in Creator's light.

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However you like or people that listen are comfortable with or Creator light, father,

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whatever.

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I'd rather you put it in your words.

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Okay.

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So where do you feel, whether that's God, Creator, Source, whatever, you use your words.

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So usually I say God because most people can relate to that word when we say God because

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it's been such a familiar word.

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So I'll just keep God.

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And so here I am in God's light.

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I'm basking, I'm that spirit that has absolutely no fear, no negativity, negative emotion,

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no stress.

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I'm just basking completely at peace, completely joyful.

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I am experiencing the highest level of happiness and joy that exists in the entire cosmos existence,

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in the existence itself.

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I'm feeling totally at the peak of joy, of bliss.

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I don't know how you can call it the bliss of God.

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And I'm just there, just that pure soul.

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It's just phenomenal.

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We are emerging with that love and that kind light.

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And I'm just there basking.

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No more negativity, no more doubt, no more nothing.

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And as I'm basking in that light, I see coming in front of me, I see a being, a translucent

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being.

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And it actually has like a circular face and two legs, two arms, a body, but it's all

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translucent.

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And I cannot make the feature.

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It's pure light.

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And that being is brighter than the light I'm in.

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It's coming towards me in a way hovering in a very graceful and loving and peaceful and

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elegant way.

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It just move above me, like above and comes above me, whirling above me like that and looking

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at my being with the most amazing love and pride and amazement.

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And that being is looking at me and kissing my whole face like a mother is kissing her

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newborn baby.

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That's the feeling I have as that being is doing that.

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And then at some point that being engulfs me completely in its embrace, I am completely

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feeling whole and happy and loving.

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And when that being embraces me, I am downloaded by God.

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I'm downloaded.

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It's not my own thoughts.

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It's really downloaded in my mind.

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This is Jesus.

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And it said to me, this is Jesus.

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I start to feel all the emotion of unconditional love.

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I feel his compassion, but I feel his tenderness, the tenderness, the love, the affection.

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And as I am in his, its arms, I will say its arms because the feeling I had when I was

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in Jesus' embrace was the feeling of a mother and a father in love in one unit.

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It was Jesus was both in one unit.

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It was both energy, the energy of the ideal mother and the ideal father in one single

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unit.

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It was not genderless.

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It was all in once, which makes sense.

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Because on earth, we have the male and female energy, and it makes sense that in God's light,

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we feel both in one because it's reunited.

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I almost sometimes think that the two energy were separated on earth, so for us to learn

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from each other and to learn to blend and understand each other and be harmonious in

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our relationships.

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That's how I felt.

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When I was in Jesus' embrace, I felt like a child, like a four years old child, in his

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ideal parents' embrace or in her ideal embrace of the ideal parents.

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I felt I was engulfed in that love and that nothing, nothing in the universe could happen

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to me.

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Nothing could ever happen because I was so safe.

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And while I was in that embrace, I could feel the entire galaxy's universe, worlds behind.

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It was phenomenal.

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I was home.

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Wow.

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Wow, wow.

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I want to unpack a little bit of this.

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I find that very interesting that you felt, correct me if I'm wrong here, from Jesus in

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his embrace, you felt male and female presence.

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And you made the distinction not genderless though, but both male and female.

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Correct.

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And is that because it felt like a parent?

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You felt like a child, so did you feel like this was parents in a way?

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Absolutely.

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I felt the love of the ideal parents.

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It was actually, I felt this love and I have not been raised with my parents.

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So I think that's why maybe the emotion was heightened.

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It was really my ideal parents.

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You got, usually I even say that when I'm interviewed, so perfect.

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It was really that feeling of love and conditional love of the parents that you belong to us.

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You are ours.

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You are part of us.

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We're taking care of you.

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That is so great.

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And just feeling safe.

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How else could you describe that feeling of love?

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Have you ever experienced anything like it here, by the way?

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Well here, I did experience that feeling from somebody else.

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That same feeling of ideal parents, as you know, I wasn't raised with my parents.

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I was raised in an old girl, a strict, very strict Catholic boarding school in Brazil.

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So here, what I could feel when I raised my daughter, I could feel, oh, that's how it

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feels to be unconditionally loved.

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And I was experiencing, as I was raising my daughter, I was experiencing for the first

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time all the emotion that what I should have felt if a mother had loved me or if a parent

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had loved me.

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I say, oh, that's how it feels when she was embracing me or loving me or holding me and

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I was holding her.

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I say, oh yeah, that's what it is.

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It was a beautiful journey of discovering something I had never experienced all my life

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through my daughter's love.

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Yeah, you probably didn't expect anything like that either.

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I mean, did you even know that could exist?

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No, I wasn't expecting.

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You know, I grew up, I had, in the past in Europe, I've been in my faith in very deeply.

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So I was very engaged and I had a lot of love in friends and family for many years in that

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field, but not the parent's daughter feeling I had never felt.

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It was all new.

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It was a discovery for anything.

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For example, if my daughter was sick and I was holding her the whole night in my arms

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to make sure she was safe, I had never had that.

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If I was sick in a boarding school, it's a very nice private boarding school.

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It's not that I was orphaned.

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My parents were well off, but they didn't have time for my two sisters and I, so they

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just parked us there.

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We were the only three girls that were staying for the holidays, for a vacation and everything

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and they were paying double.

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But so I had, so the only thing I would get is the nun giving me a medication and just

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staying in your bed and recovering on your own.

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But just the fact of holding my daughter and making sure she's okay, I had never had that.

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And so all the, every details, but it was a beautiful journey because I could love her

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the way I had not been loved and it was just beautiful.

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That is beautiful.

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Okay.

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What happened next?

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So next, I am in that embrace.

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I'm actually curdled in Christ's arms and I'm loved completely feeling home.

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But then, you know, when you are in the other world, your senses are high and it's 100%.

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You know everything and you have no wings in that world.

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People don't have to tell you what's going to happen.

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I had a knowing that at some point of my moment with Christ, I would have to come back to

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earth.

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I just had a knowing.

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So as I am embraced and I'm filled with love and shared with unconditional love, I feel

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that, oh, you have to come back.

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And so I ask Jesus, if you send me back to earth, what do I have to do with, and I'm

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sorry if somebody's called Steve, what do I have to do with Steve?

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Because after my divorce, I was dating again and it wasn't working well.

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And then I would call that person Steve.

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That's not a real name.

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And it wasn't working again well.

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And so in my faith that I had before my Andy, we were always asking the will of God, is

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it your will, is it your not will, is it your will?

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Whenever you were meeting somebody, is it your will?

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Is he sent by you or not sent by you?

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And then you stress yourself out forever while God is probably, you see, just go with your

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heart.

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And so when I was there, I asked Jesus, if you send me to earth, what do I have to do

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with Steve?

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Because I was still in that mindset of, you know, is it your will of God?

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And when I asked Jesus that, he shifted in the air in that light.

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He shifted in the air, took a more holographic continents where I could start to see his

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feet, his eyes and nose because at first I couldn't, it was just light.

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And then, and then I started to see his robe.

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And he actually opened in, we are still in God's light.

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Jesus is brighter than the light.

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And then he opened a screen that appeared, that's also bright, a big screen.

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And you know, I had asked him, what do I have to do with Steve?

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So he opened that screen and there was two, there were two square under each other.

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And one was a yes and a no, you know, like on those forms.

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And then he was just standing next to and he ticked the no.

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Wow.

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And then he says, you have to say no, no to the relationship.

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But while he was saying that to me, because in that world, everything happens simultaneously.

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You can have 10 things.

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Sure.

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He can talk, he can tell me 10 things at the same time and I understand them all.

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So while he was telling me that, he was showing me that he loved Steve, the same level of

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love as me, because love was love was there for everyone.

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Love was all love.

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And so there is no judgment, but he said, you have to say no.

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And then to make sure he said, you have to say no.

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He said, so it's a ticking and him saying you have to say no.

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So it was like a double confirmation from make sure I wasn't going back.

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Yeah, you heard it and saw it both.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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And then I said, but why is Steve always so mean with his word when we have a conflict?

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Why is he so mean to me?

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When I said that Jesus came down from that screen, the screen disappeared.

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He put himself in front of me, in front of me, but a little bit further than me.

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And he looked at me very neutral.

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There was no judgment, no condemnation.

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He was very neutral.

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Just like when you Google a question, up the answer come.

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Well, when I was asking that, that's how he was.

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There was no judgment from Steve or me.

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And he said, it's because Steve has decided to, to experience his life on earth through

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his mind primarily.

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You have decided to experience your life on earth through your heart primarily.

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Primarily.

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The two, he meant that the two would clash because, for example, if, if we're in a conflict,

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Steve will just tell me everything he wants just to hurt me because he's angry, because

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he uses money.

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And I would just say, I can't go that far.

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I cannot tell him that because it's going to hurt his feelings.

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You see, so that was the two us.

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And it wasn't, I wasn't so much better because I was going through my heart.

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It was just two different approach that wouldn't match together.

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You know, sometimes we always say, oh, opposite attract.

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So well, so here in Jesus said that it might not be the best.

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We all think of that, but we have to find some commonality and some harmony.

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And we'd be hard to get with somebody.

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I like the whole checkbox thing.

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That's unusual.

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Now, back to the interview.

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So was that the end of it or was there more?

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No, there were more.

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So after that moment, there were a few questions asked and of course the listener don't see

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my face, but I am a mixed person.

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I have three races in me, so I have a 10.

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So I did ask Jesus.

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You have to know that at that moment I wasn't at all attached to Earth.

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Earth for me was a distant planet and I had no emotion.

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And I asked Jesus, why is there a racism on that planet on Earth?

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I couldn't understand that and of course that's what I had decided to come and experience

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on Earth somehow with my skin color.

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I said, why are people racism?

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And it was not like I was hurt or anything.

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I was totally detached.

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It's just asking something from another planet.

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I would have asked something from Venus, for example.

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And then he said something that I would never have thought.

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He said, it's because people.

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It's because of their self-centeredness.

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And I said, because I would have thought of bringing geographic location, culture, country,

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trauma from one race that have been traumatized or something, but not self-centeredness.

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And so actually what it meant when he was explaining, because it's all, of course, everything

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is from thought to thought.

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It's not verbally spoken.

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It's from heart to heart.

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He meant that most of us, regardless of the race, I mean, I was raised, I have traveled

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the whole world, I've been in all the continent except Australia, and I've seen racism in

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all the directions.

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And so I'm not talking about a specific race when I say that, but he explained that when

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racism is birthed in self-centeredness in the sense that we want to be surrounded with

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people that are like-minded, that look like us, that do things like us, that have the

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same type of upbringing.

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So when you want to keep the same race around you, it's because you want a reminder of who

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you are.

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You want a reminder of the same color that you are you.

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Everything has to remind you are the point of comparison.

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Yeah.

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But people here don't have that choice.

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Is that a choice we made before we came here?

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What choice?

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What do you mean?

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Of being around people of the same race.

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No, we don't have that choice.

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We don't have the choice.

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But you can actually be with the people with the same race and not have that racism in

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you.

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It's only for people, this is an answering a question on people that are racist.

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00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:31,240
I grew up in a country which was 95% white, even more growing up, and I've hardly experienced

478
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,600
any racism.

479
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,120
So it's not a question of, I think, the environment.

480
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:45,160
It's a question of how much in our hearts we are open to accept difference in our life.

481
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,560
Something that's different than us, than who we are.

482
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,000
So what was your next question?

483
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,560
So there are more private questions, those ones that I asked for my life, but maybe another

484
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,560
time.

485
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,840
Okay, fair enough.

486
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,520
All right, what happened after that?

487
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:11,440
So after asking those questions, Jesus came back to my left.

488
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:18,920
From standing there, he just shifted to my left here, and we proceeded outside of the

489
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,360
light.

490
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:27,760
When Jesus was to my left, he actually took more of a more physical form.

491
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,760
So I could now see that he had a row bone.

492
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,760
I could see he was still holographic, but more solid.

493
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:41,720
And Jesus has changed, you know, because initially we are light and we can change forms.

494
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,920
And here Jesus changed form like four times during my end, according to what he was giving

495
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,000
me.

496
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:56,600
So to my left, he was there, and then we were both progressing towards outside the light.

497
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,240
And ahead of me, I saw a crystal city, a celestial city, a crystal city.

498
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,280
It was magnificent.

499
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,080
It had huge tall crystal buildings.

500
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,440
It had just a fantastic blue sky, but there was no sun.

501
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,800
I couldn't see any sun around.

502
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,040
It was wide avenue.

503
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,160
Everything was shining of light and glory.

504
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,680
It was just the most amazing.

505
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,600
And I felt so excited because I felt like I was going home.

506
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,520
I knew that was my home.

507
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,600
And I was just, you know, like when you rush, you're so happy.

508
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,600
It's home.

509
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,800
And I was just trying to rush to go home.

510
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,800
I was so happy.

511
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,160
So finally home, finally home.

512
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:41,760
You know, it's like when you are going on vacation and you have the sunshine, everything

513
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,760
is fantastic.

514
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Not a worry in the world and you're happy.

515
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,400
I was just feeling that happiness as I was walking towards that crystal city.

516
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,320
And Jesus was on my side.

517
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:57,600
And then suddenly I felt like some people were walking towards my left, my right, you

518
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,600
know, like when you walk in the street and then suddenly you feel some people are.

519
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,000
So I felt that I feel like people are going to walk towards that same place.

520
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,040
I feel people are coming.

521
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:16,120
So I turn around to look who it was and I see a dozen of children angels, like they

522
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,480
must have been nine or 10 years old.

523
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:26,560
Also circular face, a white robe of light, walking towards that celestial city.

524
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,080
And they were so excited.

525
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:36,880
I have to say that the vibration in that world is absolutely amplified.

526
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,520
It's nothing like here.

527
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:45,880
Oftentimes in any religion that we are belonging to, we always have to be super quiet.

528
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,400
And not when we go to the, you know, to the building or everybody's speaking like that.

529
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,760
But I can tell you that in heaven or in that life, it's actually joy and it's very, all

530
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,200
the emotions are extremely heightened.

531
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,800
And so those, those angels are also excited and there's that feeling of excitement, of

532
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,480
joy, of purpose.

533
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,040
And they're all walking also towards that crystal city.

534
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,080
At some point, one of them looked and then he thought, okay, it's, it's Yvonne.

535
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,080
It's not a big deal.

536
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,080
She's not a big deal.

537
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,080
It's Yvonne.

538
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,240
It just looked at me.

539
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:26,360
But then it, that in that child angel looked at Jesus next to me.

540
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:32,240
And what he does, his face shone like, like light.

541
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:37,040
It became pure light of excitement, of joy, of happiness.

542
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,280
And when his, when his face becomes shining like that, the other children, the angels

543
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:49,800
are looking and they saw Jesus and they all ran into Jesus arms, all of them.

544
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,440
And you can say, well, how is that possible?

545
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,640
But in that world, everything is energy.

546
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:02,960
And Jesus was holding each of them individually while holding them together.

547
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,960
And they were so happy.

548
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,720
There's so much joy.

549
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:13,080
They were so happy to see Jesus at some point after he embraced them with all inclusivity

550
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,120
and kindness and love and gentleness.

551
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:23,400
He said to the angel, to the children angels, this is Yvonne's moment.

552
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,840
Go back to your, I'm going to say it, go back to your mothers.

553
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,600
He said that.

554
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:37,360
And then when I looked, I mean, when I looked what he meant by the mothers, because in my

555
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,560
faith there's no mothers.

556
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:45,160
And some people ever even said, oh, it's not biblical because you're, there will be no

557
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,360
women or men in heaven.

558
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:53,520
But I mean, I, for anyone listening, I cannot change my experience to fit a doctrine.

559
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,400
So I'm just going to share my own experience.

560
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:07,040
So when I looked back, I saw a dozen of female angels and they were probably like 15, 14

561
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:17,720
or 15 feet high, amazing, beautiful beyond in the purity, but not beautiful in a, it's

562
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:23,880
a very pure beauty, like heavenly beauty, purity of heaven, angelic beauty.

563
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,000
And they, they were just all of them there with hair, long hair to the knees.

564
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,440
They were just looking at me.

565
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,400
They had that light that was emanated out of them as well.

566
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,800
And they were looking at me with a lot of reverence and a lot of respect.

567
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,720
And they, they just looked at me and telepathically they said to me, and remember I had a very

568
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:51,520
bad life with my parents, not a difficult life, childhood, horrible childhood.

569
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,880
So they said to me, and then everything I had experienced being in the U S they said to

570
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:03,280
me, Yvonne, always with that sacredness and that purity of that's the feeling that you

571
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,040
can only find in that world.

572
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,960
They said, kindness.

573
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,920
They said, Yvonne, we will never harm you.

574
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,440
We will never hurt you because this is home.

575
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:25,520
You are one of us, and I say that when they say that I was like, I said to Jesus, Jesus,

576
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,760
I don't want to go back to earth.

577
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,160
I want to stay here.

578
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,160
This is home.

579
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,840
I want, I don't want to go back.

580
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,840
And I said, that planet, that planet earth is a very violent planet.

581
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,480
I said, I can't relate to that, to that world.

582
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,880
People, many people are selfish.

583
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,560
I did say that you can say things like that in the other world.

584
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,080
You can say what's the truth, your truth.

585
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,520
Many people are selfish.

586
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,280
They could care less about anybody else.

587
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,560
And I just can't, I can't, I can connect with that world.

588
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,960
I can't relate.

589
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,960
I want to stay home.

590
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,400
I want to stay here.

591
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,320
I could feel that that was not an option.

592
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,320
So I said, anyway, I said, when you look, look at my body on earth, it's broken beyond

593
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,320
repair.

594
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,400
I won't, I don't want to go back in that body.

595
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,760
It's broken beyond repair.

596
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,720
I can't go back.

597
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:24,280
I was trying everything I could, but it wasn't working.

598
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,600
And Jesus was looking at me with tremendous love, but like, you know, there's nothing

599
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,160
I can do.

600
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,800
You have to do that almost like you had signed up for that.

601
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,120
And it will gain so many benefit of doing that.

602
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,000
And you know, you need to go back.

603
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Let's just deal with it.

604
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,480
Yeah, you're right.

605
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,480
Exactly.

606
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,720
And, but with a lot of kindness and respect, and there's a delicate in that world, people

607
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,600
are very delicate not to hurt any feelings.

608
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,520
And when I said that, I said, I'm not going back.

609
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,520
I'm home.

610
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:03,840
I'm here to stay.

611
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:10,240
When I said that, so he, he shifted in the air, became half a mile high.

612
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:19,400
We shifted from the light as space feeling to a space that was a black velvety space,

613
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,320
which is not scary at all.

614
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,400
It's very peaceful, but it's a black velvety space.

615
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,120
It's almost like we imagine the universe without stars.

616
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:37,320
We were basking, we were just basking there and we shifted in that space and Jesus expanded

617
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:45,320
like half a mile high, he was that huge hologram now made of beams of light.

618
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:51,480
And he looked at me, I can still see his eyes looking at me and as I share with you, he

619
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:59,280
looked at me, he was, and he said, he said, Yvonne, I will give you my strength, give

620
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,360
you my power, I'll give you my energy of life.

621
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Because, oh yeah, I forgot to say that before that event, when I said, I don't want to

622
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:15,880
come back to earth, I said to him, I said to Jesus, if you send me back, because it wasn't

623
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:24,240
working what I was trying, if you send me back, I will be beyond exhaustion.

624
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,800
I can do it.

625
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:32,520
And that's when Jesus shifted in the air, because you have to know that since I've

626
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,160
been alone in my life, my parents never came back.

627
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,640
So I just made my self made person.

628
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,640
So I said, I just don't know what that's like.

629
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,880
And so that's when he shifted in the air and he had to give me the energy of life because

630
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,360
I was beyond exhaustion.

631
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,640
I couldn't, I couldn't go back.

632
00:41:52,640 --> 00:42:00,320
So he shifted in the air, he expanded and then he said, Yvonne, I'll give you my strength,

633
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,720
I'll give you my power.

634
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:03,640
I'll give you my energy of life.

635
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:10,480
And then he said, lift your hand, my spirit hand, and he put his finger on mine.

636
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,920
And even though he was having my eye, I could feel his finger because it's all energy.

637
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,920
It's all energy.

638
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:24,080
And when he did that, I had the flood, the flood of a waterfall, or you imagine a waterfall

639
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:34,800
that came of sparkling, sparkling goldish white energy that actually filled my entire spiritual

640
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,640
and being and body being.

641
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:45,840
When he did that, I could feel that energy of life that was giving life to every bone

642
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,280
I had, every muscle, every nerve, each cell of my body.

643
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:59,200
I could feel every single cell of my body being regenerated by that energy of life that I

644
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,440
needed to come back.

645
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,560
So was there a point where you remember coming back into your body specifically?

646
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:12,600
Yes, because when Jesus came back from that moment of feeling me, he came back in front

647
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:19,440
and he said to me, and that was the last part of my experience, he said to me, Yvonne,

648
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:27,360
when he came back, he shrinked back to his form that he had, and he became again that

649
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,200
physical being.

650
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,400
And he said to me, Yvonne, I love everyone.

651
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,640
I love humanity.

652
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,640
I love everything and everyone.

653
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,040
I love my babies, he said that.

654
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:52,160
And I thought, well, you're Jesus, you came to earth to show us God's love.

655
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,240
That was your mission.

656
00:43:54,240 --> 00:44:00,160
You wanted to show us unconditional love through God's love.

657
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,280
I was thinking that and it's normal that you love everyone.

658
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,680
And he said to me, I'll show you how I love.

659
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,520
I show you.

660
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:17,200
And when he said that, he took my heart, I'll say my heart for people to understand.

661
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,680
He took my heart and blended it with his.

662
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:28,800
So it is more like, it took my essence, the essence of who Yvonne is as a spirit, as a

663
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,160
being, and he blended my essence with his essence.

664
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,040
And we became one.

665
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,960
And I say that for people that have a Christian background.

666
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:44,480
There's a scripture that's where Jesus says to God, let there be one like you and I are

667
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,280
one.

668
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,080
And I was feeling that oneness at that moment.

669
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,320
It was the oneness, the oneness that we all are one.

670
00:44:54,320 --> 00:45:00,360
We all are one because we're all made of the same one light, the light, the God's light.

671
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,200
We're all made of that same light.

672
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,200
We all initially are one.

673
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:11,080
And I said, and I fell at oneness and because Jesus wanted me to feel at oneness because

674
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:18,280
at that moment, when we merged together as one being, we were one being, I could feel

675
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:27,880
every second, every instant, every emotion that Christ had that was wave, billions of

676
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:33,280
waves of unconditional love, of kindness, of goodness, of tenderness, of joy.

677
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,320
Of there was forgiveness.

678
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,720
There was not even forgiveness because forgiveness in that world meant that we had done something

679
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:40,720
wrong.

680
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,200
But there was not even that there.

681
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,560
It was just the acceptance that the celebration, we were all one, the joy.

682
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:53,800
And that's the moment that's extremely hard for me to express in human words because it's

683
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,080
so pale, even the whole experience is so pale when I explain it.

684
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:05,320
But that one is extremely hard to explain because I felt billions of explosion of celebration

685
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:12,480
for not only for human beings, but for all planets, all cosmos, all exist and all every

686
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,320
being that exists everywhere.

687
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:21,400
There was just that and everything, every animal, everything that exists, nature, there

688
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:29,240
was that explosion of universal love and I could experience that after that incredible

689
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:32,840
and I'm doing such a poor job of expressing that moment.

690
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,600
No, you're doing a great job.

691
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,040
I know we don't have the words to do all of it, but go ahead and finish.

692
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,320
Thank you.

693
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,760
And that's when after that moment, we emerged for people to understand in that world, we

694
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,120
can merge with one another like that, like I merge with Jesus.

695
00:46:52,120 --> 00:47:00,280
For example, Eric, if I meet you in that world, in the light, world of light, and I ask you,

696
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,280
well, how was your life on earth?

697
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:09,720
And then I can ask, would you give me permission to merge with you?

698
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:15,520
And if you do, I can become you so I can experience every single emotion of your entire life on

699
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,520
earth.

700
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,400
You know, here on earth, we can share a story or a childhood, but we miss so many elements

701
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,800
because we only talk about memories and we can only share that as that much we cannot

702
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,240
share every single moment of our life.

703
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:33,800
But in that world, we have actually, we can merge and become the other person because

704
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:39,120
then we have the whole life as if we had lived that life.

705
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,360
And it's me and then we can demerge and we can understand each other better.

706
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,640
It's a it's a it's a great thing.

707
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:55,040
And so when we demerged, I knew 100% that it was time for me to come back to Jesus,

708
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,280
back up like that a little bit.

709
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,440
And he told me that's over.

710
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,600
You go back to earth.

711
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,040
Like there is no longer, please can I stay?

712
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,520
I knew that I couldn't plead anything.

713
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Yeah.

714
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,560
And you felt a separation of some sort.

715
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,680
I felt a separation and I felt coming back through dimensions and then slipping back

716
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:19,480
into my body from my head like an envelope, like a letter to come back in an envelope.

717
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,640
And I felt that.

718
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,640
Okay.

719
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,720
I need to take a breath.

720
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:23,720
That's a lot.

721
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,120
That's amazing.

722
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,800
Thank you for sharing all of that.

723
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,240
I have one question and then and then we're going to move on.

724
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,120
We're going to get into your first NDE.

725
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:42,320
My question is, you had mentioned a while ago about being able to see more clearly his

726
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,440
robe and his features.

727
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,200
Can you describe those at all?

728
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,200
Yes.

729
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:53,640
So Jesus changed shape because, you know, he was first a being of light.

730
00:48:53,640 --> 00:49:00,320
So it was the first one was light, as I said, just a circle with the arms and the legs were

731
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,120
more like a flame of fire, but it's light.

732
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,880
I didn't see hands and everything.

733
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,240
It was just two, like two flames of fire.

734
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:14,120
You know, when you look at the flames of fire, it just ends like into a peak like that.

735
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:19,000
So when he moved first, that's how he was in the legs were like that as well.

736
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:28,200
And then when he was standing for the form, yes or no, there he had, it was, it was, he

737
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,240
was no longer translucent.

738
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,840
It was a robe made of light.

739
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,060
It was, he was made of light.

740
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:43,320
So it was his face, I could tell the feature and little hair coming there, but it was still

741
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,320
all light.

742
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,800
It was all white of light.

743
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:52,840
I could make feature, nose, mouth, eyes, but he was still a being of light.

744
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:58,400
When we came, when we came out of the light to go towards the crystal city and it came

745
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,320
to my left and he was more physical.

746
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,560
So he had a robe, a white robe.

747
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:10,240
He, for me, but Jesus can appear because he's light, he can appear differently.

748
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:11,960
But for me, he had a robe.

749
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,280
He was about six foot, five, 10, between five, 10 and six.

750
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,680
He had dark brownish hair like that here up to here.

751
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,480
And that's all I could see.

752
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,320
And then I could see his face was more human, just, just more like the imagine the Jesus

753
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,800
that you imagine.

754
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,640
That's how he looked like at that moment.

755
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:38,480
So when we, when I said I didn't want to go to earth and he shifted in the air and became,

756
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,920
he was a huge hologram.

757
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,480
Then I couldn't see his robe.

758
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,080
His robe, it was more like light.

759
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:51,680
I could just made his face, which was again that brownish hair, but he had those eyes

760
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,440
that were very piercing.

761
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:59,000
For me, I know that other people have seen Jesus differently because Jesus is light.

762
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:06,120
He can appear the way, but for me, he had green eyes and he was just looking at me deeply

763
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:13,160
with those eyes and the robe, he had his robe, but it was just, his robe was always light,

764
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,400
made of light.

765
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,520
And everyone in heaven had those long white robe.

766
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:25,120
Every being in the world I was were emanating light from inside out.

767
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:31,760
It's like the inside of their body is not made of bones and blood like we have on earth.

768
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,680
It's made of light.

769
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:40,620
So that's why the body emanates light all over around them and Jesus had that same thing.

770
00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:44,440
So even though he had the robe, the robe emanated light.

771
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Makes sense.

772
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,840
I mean, he's called the light of the world.

773
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:48,840
Yes.

774
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,840
Yes.

775
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:50,840
Okay.

776
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:51,840
Here's what we're going to do now.

777
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,720
I mentioned earlier that you had two NDEs.

778
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,120
We started with your second one.

779
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:02,560
We are going to split this up and we're going to do a bonus episode that will come out later

780
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:07,080
this week that is dealing with your first NDE.

781
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,280
And one of the reasons we're going to do it this way, as our regular listeners know a

782
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:20,120
while back, we asked, do you want us to stick on our very tight niche of classic NDEs only

783
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:27,600
or also get into things that are other related kind of experiences, which is a part of what

784
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,120
I and studies as well.

785
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,600
So I'll let our listeners know upfront.

786
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:39,040
Our bonus episode that's going to be coming out with your first NDE is a little bit more

787
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,920
out there into these other related type experiences.

788
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:49,020
A word that comes up, I don't really love it, but it comes up all the time as woo woo.

789
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:51,560
If you want to call it woo woo, you can.

790
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:59,080
I don't mean that as any kind of a judgment call on this, but it's going to be super interesting.

791
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,120
And so I invite everybody to come back for the bonus episode.

792
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,160
And you can stick around with me for a few minutes now so we can get to that point.

793
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,040
Yeah, absolutely, Erica.

794
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,320
I'll be happy.

795
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,800
And it's very unusual.

796
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:41,600
I'm just wanting people.