"Pursued By God" - Kimberly's NDE (Near Death Experience)

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Welcome welcome to round trip death everybody.

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We're so happy to have Kimberly Braun with us

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this morning Kimberly, how are you? I'm doing

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great and I love your background. It's it's gorgeous

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and mine's mine's a blank slate Well, it's my

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office I have wooden walls and I have plants

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and But I have to mention one thing the lava

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lamp that you see here that I get a lot of comments

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on by the way is is dying Tears for the lava

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lamp. It takes about two hours to become fully

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liquid like that The stuff inside over time,

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I guess gets hard. So I'm glad you brought it

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up because What I want to do is I'm gonna buy

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a new one But I want everybody to comment on

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what color they want to see because they now

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come in red blue green All kinds of colors glitters.

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Don't say glitter But I want comments. So if

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everybody would comment about what color Eric's

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next lava lamp should be, I can't wait to hear

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what people come up with. I love it. Well, you're

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giving them, you're giving them like a carte

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blanche. Who knows what they might come up with.

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You might get something psychedelic going there.

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You can be first. What color do you want? I would

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think like forest green. Okay. It's interesting,

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you know, I see a lot that are, and I love purple

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and all of those colors so much. But for me,

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what's different is doing something really earthy,

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so. Sort of like the color of your shirt today.

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It is kind of like that, isn't it? Sounds perfect.

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Okay, before we jump into your NDE, which I know

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people are going to find fascinating, I want

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our audience to get to know you a little bit.

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If you would just take one minute. Who is Kimberly?

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You know, I'm still discovering that myself.

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That tells you a lot about who I am that I could

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give that statement. I am a mystic adventurer.

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My whole life has been lived with the veil very

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thin. multidimensionally, from the standpoint

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of experiencing what seems to be sourced or uncreated

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and these varieties of forms and learning what

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it means to be in a body, learning what it means

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to have a heart and a mind. I have been somebody

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that's really been passionate about that. So

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my formal education, my experiential choices

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have all been at the service of discovering these

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eternal truths, living them and supporting others

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in finding their path. And it takes many shapes

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and forms. So that's that's most of integrity

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about who I am. My life is very simple that way.

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It's got one focus. that opens up a horizon of

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adventure and opportunities. Well, I love that

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you use the term veil because I personally believe

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that the spiritual things that we often talk

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about on this show are right around us. We just

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have these blinders, this veil, whatever, that

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right now in our physical form makes it hard

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to see and experience these things. Would you

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agree with that? Yes, and I think that in some

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very mysterious way that is part of the will

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of the uncreated of consciousness or awareness

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or God is that somehow coming into form the joy

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is this discovery of it all the discovery that

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the veil is thin and It's some mysterious divine

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play. So while it may yield a lot of suffering

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for us all and confusion and wondering about

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life, there's a divine purpose in that very reality

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that you said. Okay. Well, I want to jump into

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your NDE because some people are very impatient.

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But we're also going to talk later about things

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that happened to you early in life and things

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that have happened to you since then, and what

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we can all learn from these kinds of experiences.

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So take us back. I know it was just a couple

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of years ago when you were 19 years old. Things

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were a little rough in your life. What was going

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on? It's true. It's true. And I know we'll go

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back to earlier than that, but I can't really

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give the NDE without giving the setup that my

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life has had a lot of mystical experiences all

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my life. So when I entered a really difficult

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period in my life, there was a way that I was

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also held by what I believed at that time was

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God, even in that darkness. When I was about

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16, and that's a normal time in our personal

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development to really be trying to discover who

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we are and where we fit. And we're dependent

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on our parents, but we're also gaining independence.

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So I know it can be a challenging time for many

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their teenage years. And in many ways, life was

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really wonderful. I have wonderful parents. I

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have a wonderful sister. At that time, I have

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a brother now, but he came many years later.

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We were also a deeply faith -filled family, which

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was a joy for me. As I was coming into my own

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and developing as a woman, I had this very strong

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existential concern. I was very drawn to spirituality

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and very drawn to that being what life was about.

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And I also found within myself what I would call

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a very passionate nature. I'm very enthusiastic

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and curious about everything. So passion wasn't

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just simply sex, and I know your hormones really

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get going in your teens. Passion was about everything,

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the passion to learn. the passion to self -realize,

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the passion to be in a body, the passion to have

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ideas, the passion to have connection. Like I

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had a lot of fire. I'm an Aries, so I had a lot,

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a lot of fire. And there was something within

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me that was troubled that all that passion wasn't

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holy. It hit a really deep place in me. Looking

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back, Believe it was both individually and collectively

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because I think in the Western psyche We still

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have a strong puritanical bent Where our ideas

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of holiness? Create a dualism about being in

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the body So I was experiencing all of this and

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not really knowing how to make my way through

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it But I mean it hit me hard. I was having bad

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dreams I would have these dreams that must have

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been past lives or other dimensions, all sorts

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of things that were very dark. And I was having

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physical things like migraines because I was

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so troubled by it all. I was just ill at ease.

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I had low grade of anxiety. I didn't suffer real

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anxiety. I work with people that suffer anxiety

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and panic attacks. I was never hit with a real

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issue there that was chronic. But I had a situational

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anxiety around what it meant to be alive. And

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I didn't know how to go forward. I felt completely

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stuck. And I tried everything. I tried everything.

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I tried. Being light -hearted around it and I

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couldn't get away from it. It troubled me so

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badly I tried getting involved in things and

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it still would not Lighten the intensity with

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which I felt held by this there felt to be something

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Inherently like a low self -worth You know, I

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think there were psychologically there were some

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other things getting hit there and my personal

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development but that was the issue that contained

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these things I went on with a lot of anguish

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around this privately. You wouldn't have known

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it outwardly because I'm, I'm a outgoing gregarious,

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not overly gregarious, but I'm, I am a strong

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personality. And I was involved in service organizations

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and had lots of friends and did things with my

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family. And, you know, outwardly speaking, you

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would have had no idea of my inner turmoil that

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I was going through. No idea. I started getting

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into the doors. I was very fascinated by the

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poetry of Jim Morrison. And there was an interest

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because it was on an edge. It was like a breaking

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through. It's like, what's reality about? And

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a lot of the music from that time period is like

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that too, trying to pierce the veil. Yeah. Back

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in the days when we actually listened to the

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lyrics, they meant something. And the doors were

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a perfect example of that. Oh my word is poetry

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in motion, right? Poetry in motion. So I found

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solace in a lot of that different music. I was

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never adventurous enough to get into drugs and

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I came from a very Midwest background. So I was

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very, in some ways, very sheltered. not purposefully,

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but just situationally. I went to a school that

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was for gifted people, so it was very geeky and

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small. And, you know, again, there wasn't a lot

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of drinking and drugs and all of that. And so

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I didn't find myself going down destructive paths

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like that, which was fortunate because I think

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I, while I could have broken through to a deeper

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insight, I also could have gone down a route

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that would not have had a good end. So I just

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went through this turmoil. It was like two and

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a half years and When it started to even reach

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a point where there was something within me that

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said no more Because I had experience being guided

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all my life Anytime I had anything that troubled

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me on the inside Grace would show up and show

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me the way In my mind and in my heart and here

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it was like being abandoned by God Because I

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was left to my own feudal mechanisms to work

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through this so Coming into the two -year mark

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about I don't remember exactly I Began to reach

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out for help Specifically for this so instead

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of like doing things that I thought were healthy

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that didn't help I began reaching out for help

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and First I turned to a faith community that

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I had joined In college, I was in my undergrad.

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They had a very fundamentalist belief system.

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It was so hurtful that I felt very shamed for

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where I was. Instead of being prayed with and

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understood and offered compassion, I was basically

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told, you're sinning by thinking those thoughts.

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You know, like, it was very unhelpful. And so

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I didn't feel safe to turn to this community.

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So I finally turned to a mental health clinic

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at the university because I recognized that while

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what was happening was a spiritual crisis, I

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as a human being, as a person was struggling

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with mental health around it. I was just so ill

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at ease. I was assigned a counselor to be a therapist

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and that counselor was a poor counselor. I went

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out on a limb and I shared the vulnerable workings

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that were going on inside of me and this counselor

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and this was a big deal to share it and I'm sure

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that your listeners, I'm sure you can all relate

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that when you really open what seems scary to

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share about your own process You don't want to

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be told that you're being rejected for that reason.

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This counselor basically was like, ah, get over

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yourself. It was terrible. And that was a bit

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like the last straw mentally because I took so

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much courage to open it up and I had been worked,

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I had been trying so hard. I mean, it brings

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tears to my eyes looking back on it. I had tried

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so hard to come through it. And I was a good

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person, so I wasn't acting out in ways that were

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hurtful to myself or anybody else. And when he

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said that, it was the worst thing that could

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have happened. And I gave up. Shortly after that,

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I tried to take my life. The pain was too much.

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It had been two and a half years. And I was young,

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so I didn't have the skills. I didn't have the

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capacity. I didn't have the tools. I didn't have

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the support system. There were many things I

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just simply didn't have that left me feeling

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like there was no way out except for this one

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choice. I didn't believe I was going to go to

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hell. I didn't believe that I was committing

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a sin by what I was doing. I just simply despaired

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of life in this form, in this body. When I did

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that, I was in the dorm at the college. Pretty

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closely after that, I reached out after that

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and I let a fellow student know. So they called

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911, but I left my body after I remember there

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was a flurry that happened in my dorm room. And

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then after that, I left my body. And just like

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most NDers, It's not possible to capture in words

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the understanding and the experience that happens

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when we are truly free from this 3D construct.

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And what happened for me, which is not, it's

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not completely unique. A lot of times the idea

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of NDEs is the tunnel, the white light, the meeting

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loved ones. What happened for me was nothing

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like that. What was surprising, Eric, when I

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look back on it, is oftentimes people have NDEs

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that are influenced by their enculturation. So

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the fact that I was so Christian and I loved

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Jesus and I loved Mary and the fact that I actually

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didn't see anybody was so counter... cultural

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to the NDE experience. Most of the time the experience

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is a segue from your understanding in the human

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body is how you kind of get initiated into this

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out -of -body experience and where the messages

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come. But what happened for me was I awakened

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as and within the luminous void. existence. It

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was completely grounded and yet had no center

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at all. And you could say it was dark, but the

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dark was illuminated, not to the physical eye,

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not like I was looking at something as me. It

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was like being particles of luminosity. And I

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was it, in a very easeful way, I did not lose

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a sense of me as an individual. But I was simultaneously

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not an individual. I was as well the whole of

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consciousness. So I was both of those things.

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At the same time, the coming home, the freedom,

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the freedom, that was the biggest quality I would

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say. You could say the luminous quality was love

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itself. But the quality of experience was utter

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freedom. All things were possible. Anything was

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possible. All was potential and all was actualizing.

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And as I was it, I encountered the eternal source,

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it falls short to say within and without, but

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I don't have a context for it, with an intimacy

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of all aspects of what My journey was up to that

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point, all aspects being celebrated and held

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and known. And in reflecting on it, because this

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wasn't my reflection in it, but reflecting on

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it, there was an unconditioned acceptance that

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was in the form of respect. tenderness and love.

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It wasn't sympathy for the hardship I had been

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going through. It wasn't affirmation for my life

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journey. There weren't these causal things happening,

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but there was this incredible recognition. If

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you think of somebody, if you're listening to

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this and maybe you've had an experience like

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this, when you've had an isolated moment, when

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you felt seen with the most tender respect and

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love, by something or someone else. It was that

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without any conditions around it. I found myself

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to be existence itself. And in that my dilemma

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completely was washed away because the dilemma

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I had was an erroneous thought that couldn't

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coexist in the purity of intelligence. in which

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I was. And I didn't even need to bring it into

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my experience. Again, there wasn't this linear

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time when I was out of body. It wasn't like I

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suffered so much and I cried, which would have

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been wonderful, but that wasn't what happened.

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What happened was anything that was less than

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or not resonant with the purity of the intelligence

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that I was in didn't exist anymore. It was simply

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gone. And so I was abiding in this, it was like

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an oasis of being. And this went on, I don't

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know how long, I have no idea because I left

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my body when I was in the dorm room. And at a

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certain point, there did become an exchange.

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And an exchange I could say that was both within

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me and outside of me that was between me and

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the eternal source. And I was given a choice.

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Do you want to go back? And it was so empowering

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because there was no wrong answer. There was

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no sense of, you need to go back because you

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have a service and a mission. You need to go

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back to finish your journey and work things out.

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There was no consequence that was like a karma

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around it. There was nothing. It was just the

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freedom of that choice. And what happened as

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that came about was there was this self -worth

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that just put me in touch with on a soul level,

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on the individual Kimberly soul level. Let me

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be truthfully in touch with what did I really

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want? Like from a place of joy and simplicity,

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what did I actually want? And in that rawness,

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I encountered that I wanted to return and not

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for something I didn't have this thought like,

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I want to return and finish my journey, or I

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want to return and share this love, or there

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was nothing like that. It was such simplicity.

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There was just the raw desire that didn't need

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a reason other than love to want to return. And

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that seems so counterintuitive. Someone who has

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just tried to take their life chooses to go back.

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Right? So my guess is and you you correct me

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if I'm wrong All of that love and everything

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that you felt was doing a lot of healing to you

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emotionally Yes, it it had What I had been washed

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when I left my body the very encounter of truth

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on that level Unknowingly to me because it wasn't

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in my thought process. I was simply washed psychologically

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and emotionally Our suffering comes from error

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in thought that oftentimes comes from responses

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to trauma. That trauma could be individual or

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collective. And in that muddiness in our being,

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we work things out. And there was something about

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being jettisoned into the embrace of existence

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that washed me of those. things that washed me

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not just of the erroneous thought of the issue

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of passion and holiness and spirituality, but

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whatever the conditioning was, whatever the trauma

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was around these things, it washed me of the

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impelling force that would take me to those places

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of despair. I mean, it was gone. It was just

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gone. I agree with you. It would be so counterintuitive

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to find that I actually wanted to come back.

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that that was actually the root of my joy and

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desire. And so when that happened, then I came

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back into my body. I was in my body and I was

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actually in the ICU. I had to have been out of

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my body for at least a half hour. I don't know

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how fast an ambulance would drive from the dorm

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to a hospital. Well and to the dorm and getting

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you on the gurney and all that kind of stuff.

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It all takes a while. Let me throw some questions

00:23:07.029 --> 00:23:09.910
at you before we move on. And I can't wait to

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hear the next chapter. Some of the things that

00:23:13.369 --> 00:23:17.549
you talked about are hard for some of us with

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very literal brains, a little bit hard to understand

00:23:21.329 --> 00:23:25.900
such as You said something about being individual

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but not individual and the dark but illuminated.

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Help me understand how that works. You know,

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that's a brilliant question. And I think it takes

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penetrating that paradox. Those are both paradoxes.

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It takes penetrating it to gain the insight.

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that there can be a coexistence in these ways.

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And what I would say with it is, if you look,

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this doesn't answer directly, but I'll try to

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answer directly in a moment. If you look at the

00:24:03.650 --> 00:24:07.190
writings of mystics of all eras, if you look

00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:10.509
at the deep mystical theology of traditions,

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you will find in all of those writings, there

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are these paradoxical statements that take place.

00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.220
Like John of the cross. I I ended up being Carmelite

00:24:21.220 --> 00:24:23.660
He was who's a Carmelite one of his breakthrough

00:24:23.660 --> 00:24:26.200
insights that he lived for the rest of his life

00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:31.599
was the soul center is God Well to a linear thought

00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:33.599
process that makes no sense How could a soul

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that has a is a pattern of an individual actually

00:24:37.579 --> 00:24:41.319
be God that has no boundaries? You're going to

00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.480
find these kinds of paradoxes in everything that

00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:50.200
comes close to a description of reality. I was

00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:53.279
given the gift to, in a very mysterious way,

00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:57.740
to go to that on a very essence level, a very

00:24:57.740 --> 00:25:02.460
foundational level. When I was out of body, and

00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:06.099
I can't describe the texture of it because I

00:25:06.099 --> 00:25:10.269
was aware I was a Kimberly, but it was... think

00:25:10.269 --> 00:25:12.690
about if you look out on the starry sky and you

00:25:12.690 --> 00:25:17.690
experienced yourself as the sky as All the particles

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as once you have to use your imagination on that

00:25:20.130 --> 00:25:22.470
and it's even that's limited because it's only

00:25:22.470 --> 00:25:25.730
the sky but if you took the skies that opportunity

00:25:25.730 --> 00:25:29.569
and you tried to feel into being the sky and

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you were both the stars and the Black matter

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and the gray matter the white matter all of those

00:25:36.390 --> 00:25:39.490
things all at once You would find that you're

00:25:39.490 --> 00:25:43.589
existing as a whole, but then you're also existing

00:25:43.589 --> 00:25:46.549
as the individual stars and particles at the

00:25:46.549 --> 00:25:49.509
same time. That was a bit of what it was like,

00:25:49.529 --> 00:25:52.509
except there were literally no boundaries at

00:25:52.509 --> 00:25:55.890
all. There was no horizon. There was no globe

00:25:55.890 --> 00:25:59.750
looking. There was no, it was all -ness without

00:25:59.750 --> 00:26:03.789
any, and it's interesting because if I look at

00:26:03.789 --> 00:26:07.220
it, even now having been out of body, You know

00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:09.079
what? I would never want to be an astronaut.

00:26:09.380 --> 00:26:11.339
And you would think I'd want to go into space.

00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:13.579
Like after this, you'd think I would have no

00:26:13.579 --> 00:26:15.779
fears about being in a spaceship. And I'm like

00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:19.799
the thought of being cloistered into a spaceship.

00:26:20.460 --> 00:26:23.579
So that's part of the mystery of the experience,

00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.259
too, is it did not yield for me that boundlessness

00:26:27.259 --> 00:26:30.519
in my body. I still like having my feet on the

00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:37.950
ground. You could also look at it this way. Think

00:26:37.950 --> 00:26:43.549
about when you've had a moment of darkness in

00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:48.970
your own life, a loss, a betrayal, a sense of

00:26:48.970 --> 00:26:52.349
trauma that has yielded a painful thought or

00:26:52.349 --> 00:26:56.170
reflection. And it's taken you into a dark place.

00:26:56.470 --> 00:26:59.049
And then you've been given a grace to just be

00:26:59.049 --> 00:27:02.940
there with yourself in that place. Oftentimes

00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:06.880
when we experience the grace of that kind of

00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.779
acceptance where we just are and we're not trying

00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:15.319
to change ourselves, there's a certain subtle

00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:20.740
ease that comes about, a relaxation. And that

00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:25.259
relaxation and that ease is a certain luminous

00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:31.880
quality because it's providing a place that is

00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:38.980
Love, safe, held, and that also could speak to

00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:42.460
it. When we take these dark moments and we have

00:27:42.460 --> 00:27:45.380
been given the grace to be there, there's something

00:27:45.380 --> 00:27:48.319
that the being there itself has a certain healing

00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.619
property to it alone. Or think about if a friend

00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:57.900
or a professional has really offered you true

00:27:57.900 --> 00:28:01.700
listening. And you may not be 100 % understood,

00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:03.700
because maybe they haven't gone through your

00:28:03.700 --> 00:28:08.460
experience, but you feel held, wordlessly held.

00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.380
There's something that's light -filled about

00:28:11.380 --> 00:28:15.019
that. And there's something that, in that light,

00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.700
it penetrates whatever is dark that you're sharing

00:28:18.700 --> 00:28:23.019
or revealing about yourself. I would say those

00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:29.150
are 3D examples of where you have Luminous darkness

00:28:29.150 --> 00:28:32.509
or a luminous void can feel very empty to be

00:28:32.509 --> 00:28:34.930
disconnected from ourselves and have darkness.

00:28:35.069 --> 00:28:38.849
Yeah, so That speaks to it a little bit. That's

00:28:38.849 --> 00:28:42.049
a really good try I appreciate it and it still

00:28:42.049 --> 00:28:45.309
is gonna take me a while to totally Grasp it,

00:28:45.470 --> 00:28:48.789
but there are times in life when you can feel

00:28:48.789 --> 00:28:51.930
For example, I love the ocean and there are times

00:28:51.930 --> 00:28:55.660
where when you're in the ocean And it's warm

00:28:55.660 --> 00:28:59.700
and sunny and beautiful. You feel a part of it,

00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.099
right? It's not like you and then there's the

00:29:03.099 --> 00:29:06.140
ocean. You feel like you are a part of it. Maybe

00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:09.599
that's a little tiny glimpse as to what you were

00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.759
feeling. That's a great example. Yeah. All right.

00:29:13.819 --> 00:29:16.900
Thank you for that. So how was your life different

00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:20.859
afterwards? I mean, I want a little bit of nitty

00:29:20.859 --> 00:29:23.079
gritty here. Like you were in the hospital for

00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.259
how long? And then what was your attitude like

00:29:26.259 --> 00:29:29.359
when you went back to the dorm? I didn't. I flew

00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.819
home. I was living in Santa Cruz and I flew home

00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:36.380
to Florida. I was crystal clear when I came back

00:29:36.380 --> 00:29:39.720
into body. I had this very dramatic blessing

00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:44.440
that happened in that. There was one of my guides

00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:49.759
who's formless came into form as a nurse. When

00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.430
I came back into my body. There was a nurse standing

00:29:53.430 --> 00:29:57.230
beside me and It was really one of my guides.

00:29:57.230 --> 00:30:00.490
I thought it was a nurse at the time She held

00:30:00.490 --> 00:30:05.750
me as I came back into my body and I wept I Just

00:30:05.750 --> 00:30:07.990
wept I don't even know how long I wept for but

00:30:07.990 --> 00:30:11.809
I wept and she held me and Then at a certain

00:30:11.809 --> 00:30:14.690
point I went to sleep I was never able to find

00:30:14.690 --> 00:30:17.569
and I could tell this this nurse was very lit

00:30:17.569 --> 00:30:21.180
up like it was very radiant Being but it informed

00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:23.500
because she was able to physically hold me I

00:30:23.500 --> 00:30:26.259
was never able to find that nurse which confirmed

00:30:26.259 --> 00:30:29.779
my sense that it was one of my guides So I was

00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:32.220
given a great grace in that transitioning back

00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:35.579
into the body. I didn't have to feel alone Because

00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:38.299
as individuals oftentimes in these moments we

00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:42.059
can feel really alone. I was clear as day that

00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:49.299
I wanted to understand myself better and I told

00:30:49.299 --> 00:30:52.039
the next day, of course, given the fact that

00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.140
I tried to take my life, they needed, you know,

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.140
they they in the hospital, they went to meet

00:30:57.140 --> 00:31:00.039
with me. Like, am I still suicidal? What is my

00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.900
stability? You know, and all of that. So I immediately

00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:08.079
I only remember having one meeting, but there

00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.420
could have been more than one meeting. I said

00:31:10.420 --> 00:31:13.380
clearly, I said, I know I meant to fly home.

00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:18.599
And I know I am meant to go into therapy. I know

00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:24.339
I'm meant to understand the layers of this more

00:31:24.339 --> 00:31:30.259
for myself and for my life. I knew I was completely

00:31:30.259 --> 00:31:33.079
washed of the trauma. There was nothing suicidal

00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.039
in me that existed. So I wasn't worried. I didn't

00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:41.579
feel unstable. But I did know that I had experienced

00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:45.940
a level of freedom that I wanted to know what

00:31:45.940 --> 00:31:49.289
even took me down that path. On other levels

00:31:49.289 --> 00:31:51.910
not just the spiritual level, you know on the

00:31:51.910 --> 00:31:54.630
emotional level. What was the trauma that was

00:31:54.630 --> 00:31:58.089
unconsciously there? psychologically, what's

00:31:58.089 --> 00:32:02.029
my makeup as a human being and Simultaneously

00:32:02.029 --> 00:32:05.170
my mystical experiences which were very strong

00:32:05.170 --> 00:32:08.009
all my life. I've there's so many stories in

00:32:08.009 --> 00:32:10.250
my first book I tell a lot of the stories of

00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:13.630
these Very powerful mystical experiences that

00:32:13.630 --> 00:32:17.710
started when I was five And what's beautiful

00:32:17.710 --> 00:32:21.269
about this reality is I think it's so relatable.

00:32:22.049 --> 00:32:24.490
People can look at my mystical experiences and

00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:29.390
assume that I'm walking on a golden path and

00:32:29.390 --> 00:32:32.309
that nothing could touch me or trouble me. And

00:32:32.309 --> 00:32:35.769
then you encounter this dark night period that

00:32:35.769 --> 00:32:39.589
I went through. And it reminds us that being

00:32:39.589 --> 00:32:46.099
human is a very complex thing. And so it's very

00:32:46.099 --> 00:32:50.319
relatable to see that just because we have deep

00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.579
mystical experiences doesn't mean we're 100 %

00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:56.180
whole that we don't have growth to do and healing

00:32:56.180 --> 00:32:59.660
to do. My mystical experiences went off the chart.

00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:03.240
My spirituality over these, I'm close to 60 now,

00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.819
so it's been a lot of years. My spiritual is

00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:10.579
very different now, but back then I began experiencing

00:33:10.579 --> 00:33:15.579
being pursued by God. There was a personal God

00:33:15.579 --> 00:33:19.619
like a lover That I couldn't get away from it

00:33:19.619 --> 00:33:23.539
would fire up my whole body It would lead me

00:33:23.539 --> 00:33:27.759
into long periods of contemplation Prayer was

00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.279
an active part of course but it was even different

00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.960
than prayer was just being assumed into deep

00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:39.079
states of presence and quiet and bliss I mean,

00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.519
it went off the charts and I was having visions

00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.480
and miraculous phenomena. I went through five

00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.579
years of being like Eckhart Tolle on the park

00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:51.500
bench. So Eckhart Tolle talks about when he suffered

00:33:51.500 --> 00:33:56.480
severe depression and then he was given the capacity

00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:01.960
to really let go. And he said, now I'm paraphrasing,

00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:04.259
I may get it a little wrong, but the point is

00:34:04.259 --> 00:34:08.480
that he felt like he was sucked into a vortex,

00:34:09.860 --> 00:34:13.519
moving at really fast speeds into the unknown.

00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.539
And in that, he was released of this severe,

00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:20.860
debilitating depression. And after that, he says

00:34:20.860 --> 00:34:23.739
it was like sitting on a park bench because the

00:34:23.739 --> 00:34:27.179
world was so magnificent. You were just experiencing

00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:29.739
so much connectivity to everything in the world

00:34:29.739 --> 00:34:33.079
and such sweetness that you're just not grounded.

00:34:33.940 --> 00:34:37.460
That's my five years after all of that were a

00:34:37.460 --> 00:34:40.460
bit like that, but they were filled with synchronicity

00:34:40.460 --> 00:34:43.739
as well. So I went back to Florida and I went

00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:48.300
through, I put myself through intense period

00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:51.780
of therapy while simultaneously having these

00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:55.420
very deep mystical experiences. And I learned

00:34:55.420 --> 00:34:59.659
so much about myself, about human development.

00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.000
I grew even more in the depth of intimacy with

00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.139
me as a human being. Then I ended up moving back

00:35:09.139 --> 00:35:15.079
to Santa Cruz. And then I had this synchronicity

00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.059
set up where I started working with the homeless.

00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.300
And I happened to find myself magnetized into

00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:25.300
a group of about five to 10 people that were

00:35:25.300 --> 00:35:29.059
all having really life changing times in their

00:35:29.059 --> 00:35:31.579
spiritual journey. And we would gather for long

00:35:31.579 --> 00:35:36.559
periods of silent abiding and prayer. And so

00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:38.800
it was very powerful. It's like I call it the

00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:42.440
honeymoon period between me and the divine. So,

00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.179
I mean, things just catapulted. You mentioned

00:35:46.179 --> 00:35:48.800
how you liked the word that the veil was thin.

00:35:48.980 --> 00:35:51.800
It was almost like there was no veil. I would

00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.880
be helping an older person because I was getting

00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.079
into home health care because I love helping

00:35:56.079 --> 00:36:00.440
people. They would shape shift into Christ or

00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.019
into angels or into saints. By location happened.

00:36:05.380 --> 00:36:11.599
Lots of miracles, lots of fast healing for myself

00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:15.579
or others, being taken up where I would have

00:36:15.579 --> 00:36:19.260
visions. All these things really were my daily

00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:22.400
bread. And it was very grounded because it wasn't

00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.420
just during my time of solitude. It was with

00:36:25.420 --> 00:36:28.820
everybody as well. So that eventually led me

00:36:28.820 --> 00:36:31.719
to join a monastery because it was just the natural

00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.280
next step. I was already living a monastic life

00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:38.559
and I was so on fire with love that I just had

00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.880
to be with the beloved. It was that simple. I

00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.559
just had to. All right. Before we wrap up, you've

00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:48.550
written how many books now? Three books. Three

00:36:48.550 --> 00:36:52.010
books? What's the most recent one? Miracles in

00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:56.949
the Naked Light. Oh, I like the title. Okay.

00:36:57.389 --> 00:36:59.730
I've got to give that one a try. For somebody

00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:01.849
out there today who may be struggling, because

00:37:01.849 --> 00:37:04.349
there's a lot of tough things in life, and I'm

00:37:04.349 --> 00:37:06.429
not sure the date that this episode is going

00:37:06.429 --> 00:37:09.949
to come out, but just last week we had some really

00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:13.409
traumatic things happen in this country and really

00:37:13.409 --> 00:37:16.269
right down the road from where I live. Give us

00:37:16.269 --> 00:37:19.730
a message of hope. Based on the things that you've

00:37:19.730 --> 00:37:23.389
learned and you've come to be, why should people

00:37:23.389 --> 00:37:27.090
have hope in the future not only here while they're

00:37:27.090 --> 00:37:32.429
in body but afterwards? I've experienced that

00:37:32.429 --> 00:37:38.250
what is true is that we are in form impelled

00:37:38.250 --> 00:37:44.769
by an uncreated source that delights in us. and

00:37:44.769 --> 00:37:49.369
that the fulfillment of the journey of the formless

00:37:49.369 --> 00:37:52.949
becoming form, that the fulfillment of the journey

00:37:52.949 --> 00:37:58.510
has only one end, and that end is union in the

00:37:58.510 --> 00:38:03.469
fullness of this eternal love and light. And

00:38:03.469 --> 00:38:08.969
in that alone, love casts out fear. In that alone

00:38:08.969 --> 00:38:14.829
comes the insight on how to navigate the uncertainties,

00:38:15.449 --> 00:38:18.010
the complexities, and the difficulties of this

00:38:18.010 --> 00:38:22.570
life. In that alone, we find the way to open

00:38:22.570 --> 00:38:27.269
up that we can embody that love. And I know this

00:38:27.269 --> 00:38:30.510
is mysterious, and it can feel unreal. It can

00:38:30.510 --> 00:38:32.789
feel like a concept if you're going through something

00:38:32.789 --> 00:38:37.570
that is so troubling. But... If you can open

00:38:37.570 --> 00:38:40.710
up to the unknown, to the possibility that it's

00:38:40.710 --> 00:38:46.010
true, you give some space to experience it. And

00:38:46.010 --> 00:38:49.909
it's in the space of experiencing it that you

00:38:49.909 --> 00:38:53.530
can discover the truth that sets you free. I

00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:56.789
believe there's only one end, and that end is

00:38:56.789 --> 00:39:01.730
the happy ending that is beyond our wildest imagining.

00:39:02.190 --> 00:39:05.579
And you had mentioned earlier two things. That

00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:08.280
really stuck out to me one was the word freedom

00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.820
and we've talked quite a bit about that. The

00:39:10.820 --> 00:39:13.980
other was coming home Would you expound on that

00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:18.280
just a little bit? Yes So in my own experience

00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.420
that we inform we in these bodies and with these

00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:25.099
souls and with this journey we're taking That

00:39:25.099 --> 00:39:28.480
it's a bit like the Wizard of Oz We're on the

00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:32.119
path to awakening that coming home is awakening

00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:37.159
to self and that our very center is that self

00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.079
capital S. So the body is the very way that we

00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:46.219
are journeying to the lesson of coming home to

00:39:46.219 --> 00:39:50.219
source and self. And again, this is an experiential,

00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.380
it's a very intimate and tender journey and you

00:39:53.380 --> 00:39:58.380
deserve the respect and community and the companionship

00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:03.699
and the support. To make that journey with vulnerability

00:40:03.699 --> 00:40:07.599
and trust Thank you, Kimberly. I wasn't able

00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.179
to make it to ions this year, but I'll see you

00:40:10.179 --> 00:40:13.400
there next year, right? I Will look forward to

00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.739
seeing you there next year And and if you want

00:40:15.739 --> 00:40:18.199
to connect with me before my website Kimberly

00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:23.659
Braun calm has everything online community videos

00:40:23.659 --> 00:40:28.159
that are free, other resources, courses. It's

00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.820
a great way to connect. So Eric, if you're inclined

00:40:30.820 --> 00:40:33.760
or if you're listening, drop me an email or join

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stick that link in the show notes. Thanks again,

00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:44.590
Kimberly. Thank you. Blessings. Thanks again

00:40:44.590 --> 00:40:47.170
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