"He Held My Hands." Jo Meets Her Heavenly Father During NDE

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From the time that they pronounced me dead was

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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart, my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying but I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else. The only thing that I could

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feel if you could imagine absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I had known in the past. I'm

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back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at

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home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

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And please give a warm welcome to our special

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guest coming to us from Montana today. And this

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is Joanna Oblander. Please tell me I pronounced

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that right. Close. Oblander. Oblander. Okay.

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Anyway, Jo, how are you today? I'm good. Thank

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you. Good. Well, Just to give everybody a heads

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up, when we talk with people that have had near

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-death experiences, some of them are short, some

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are long, some have a lot of detail, some not

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so much. It seems like recently on the show we've

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had quite a few people on that have had these

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very brief NDEs. You're in for a treat today

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because Joanna, Joe, wow, this is going to take

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some time because we have a lot to unpack here.

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So hold on to your hats, everybody. And Joe,

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before we jump into your experience, would you

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mind letting us get to know you a little bit?

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Just give us a one minute on who you are or what

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you do or anything so that we can get to know

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you. I'm happily married to my husband, Greg.

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In fact, we just celebrated our anniversary,

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our 47th anniversary yesterday. Congratulations.

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Thank you. Unfortunately, we didn't get to spend

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it together. My husband. serves in the Montana

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legislature and they're in their final days of

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the session. My mother of six children, grandmother

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of 22 grandchildren going on 23. We live here

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in Montana. We love it here. We love the mountains.

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We love being in the outdoors and we love just

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everything. We're blessed to be surrounded by

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here. That's fantastic. Well, if we go back quite

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a few years, you were dealing with some real

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medical issues. I don't know if you want to give

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us just a brief background. You don't have to

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go into any personal details, but I know you

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had severe migraines for years. Tell me what

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was going on with your health that led up to

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your near -death experience. About the time I

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turned 30, I started having 24 -7 headaches.

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And at the time, I didn't know I was having migraine

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headaches. I thought they were muscle tension

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headaches. That's what the doctors told me. Regardless

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of what the type of headache was, I was in excruciating

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pain 24 -7. I ended up having those headaches

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for about 15 years, about year 13 of those headaches.

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I was so worn out, deeply affected by those headaches

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that I slid into deep depression, which eventually

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became suicidal depression. Okay. Go ahead and

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keep going. You want me to relate my experience?

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Yeah. Yeah. How did it start and give us an idea

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of what happened? I'll stop you and ask some

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questions as we go. During the time that I had

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the headaches, I was raising a family of active

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kids. There's a story behind this as well, but

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my husband and I ended up adopting two children

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from Russia. There was the stress of that. We

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were self -employed. We had left a corporate

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job. With the adoption of the two children from

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Russia, we felt like we needed to have additional

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income, and so we became involved in two businesses.

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So I was helping to run a family with six active

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children, two of which were learning English

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and assimilating into our culture and our family,

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running two businesses. For those that are self

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-employed, you know what a responsibility that

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is. Health was not good because I wasn't taking

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care of it. I was running on adrenaline full

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-time just to keep up with my life. It finally

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got to the point where physically, mentally,

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emotionally, I just wasn't handling anything

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very well. Our businesses started suffering as

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a result. I knew it was because of me. I was

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under a lot of pressure, under a lot of stress.

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I knew I was blessed. I knew I was blessed with

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an amazing husband, wonderful children, but I

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began to feel that I was a burden in their lives.

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I felt like it was my fault that everything was

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beginning to kind of crash around us. And one

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of my triggers during the years that I was depressed

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was financial issues, and we were having a lot

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of them. had a couple of bill collectors call

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me one day. One of them told me when I tried

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to explain to her what was going on with my health

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that it was all my fault. I wanted to be like

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that. And she essentially confirmed what I was

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already feeling in my thoughts, which was that

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it was all my fault. I was responsible. I was

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a horrible person. So at the end of that day,

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I was done. I knew I had worked as hard as I

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possibly could to do the best job I could at

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all my various roles of being a business owner,

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a mom, a wife, a friend, and I was failing and

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I had failed in my mind. And so I got on my knees

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and I shared with God through prayer that I was

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done. That he knew and I knew that I'd given

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it the very best I had, but I didn't have any

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more to give. If he chose to send me to hell

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after I committed suicide, that would be okay

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because it couldn't be any worse than what I

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was already going through. My plan was the next

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day while my family was gone to take my life.

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So as I climbed into bed and tried to hide my

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tears from my husband, I fell asleep. But shortly

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after I fell asleep, an angel appeared above

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my head and he motioned for me to take his hand.

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And I did. and he pulled me from my body, pulled

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my spirit from my body. And he held onto my hand

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and he took me through what I call a conduit.

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It was like a circular tunnel. I could see the

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walls of the conduit. I could see that they were

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clear. I could see the galaxies we were traveling

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through. I knew we were traveling very quickly,

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but I didn't have any sensation. of travel other

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than I could see that we were moving past the

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galaxies we were passing through and when we

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arrived at our destination I saw this complex

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of rooms and I knew I had returned to a place

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I'd been before and I don't know that I could

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necessarily called that complex of rooms home

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but I knew that I was in a place that I not only

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had been before but that had been a place of

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love and acceptance. I looked at the rooms in

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front of me and as I looked at each of the rooms

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I could see through the walls. It was like the

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walls would would move so that I could see into

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the rooms and I could hear what was going on

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in the rooms. And it was within a very short

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amount of time I could remember the layout of

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that complex and what rooms were used for what

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subjects and what teachers were teaching in those

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rooms and those subjects. And they weren't the

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kind of subjects that we typically think of in

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a high school or college setting, instead these

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rooms were teaching those students what it would

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be like to have certain earthly experiences,

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what it would be like to have migraine headaches,

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what it would be like to have a disability of

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a particular kind, what it would be like to go

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through a traumatic earth experience. and all

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of those rooms and all of those classes were

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trying to help us choose those experiences that

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would help us become more like our Father in

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Heaven. That's what all of us in those rooms

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wanted, is we just loved Him so much and we just

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were so filled with desire and love for Him.

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We just wanted so much to emulate Him and to

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become like He was. I became very engrossed in

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watching those rooms and listening to the discussions

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that were being had. My angel grabbed my attention

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and directed me to look towards a room that was

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to my left. The room he was directing me to was

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not a classroom. And again, I could see through

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the walls of the room. and I instantly recognized

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the form of the being that was in that room,

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and it was my father in heaven. And I was surprised

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at how easily I recognized him, especially since

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his back was towards me, and I could see that

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he was looking towards the door of the room.

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And he could also see through the walls and the

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door. I could tell from watching him. And he

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was watching a man and a woman approach the door.

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As he saw them, he moved towards the door to

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open it, to invite them in. And as he did so,

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I could see who the man and woman were. And it

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was me and the man who is now my husband. husband's

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name is Greg and I watched him welcome us into

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the room and as he welcomed us into the room

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I began to experience the event both from beside

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my angel and as I had experienced it back in

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that realm of existence and I knew that I was

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being allowed to witness an event in my existence

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that had taken place prior to my being born here

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upon this earth. I was able to feel my father

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embrace me and welcome me into that room. I knew

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that I had been asked to come to that meeting

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for a special purpose, something that was important.

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Somehow I knew that my husband, Greg, who in

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that situation was not my husband, but instead

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a very, very close friend. At that point I knew

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that plans had already been made, at least in

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general, for our lives on Earth, and that it

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had been planned that Greg and I would be married

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in this life. We would be together during our

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lives on Earth. Somehow I knew that Greg knew

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the purpose of this meeting. and I didn't yet.

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My father in heaven instructed me to come and

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sit in a chair. There were two high back chairs

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in the room and they were arranged so that they

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were so close. They weren't directly across from

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each other. They were more at an angle to each

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other so that he could easily hold my hands.

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He had Greg stand behind my chair. He shared

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with me that he had invited me there for that

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meeting because he had a very important mission

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that he wanted to request of me. He explained

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that he knew that what he was asking me to do

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would be difficult, but that with his help, he

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knew I would be able to accomplish it. From that

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point on, I no longer observed the meeting. alongside

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my angel, but instead I experienced the meeting

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as it had originally taken place. I guess I should

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back up a little bit. As I had watched God the

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Father approach that room, what I'll call the

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veil or the block over my memories was taken

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away. I was able to see and remember my existence.

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In that realm, I was able to see who I really

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was, my abilities, my capacities, my talents,

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my intelligence, everything I understood. I had

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been overwhelmed with what I had seen. I saw

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not only myself, but others. I saw our fight

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for truth, our fight to support God. against

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Satan. I had seen how, no matter who we were

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or what talents we did or didn't have, how we

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completely honored each other and supported each

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other. And that realm was just so, so completely

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infused with love and light and unity. So once

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I had become acquainted with who I really was,

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then all of my mortal fears and doubts, discouragement,

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all of those things that are so easily a part

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of our mortal existence were gone. And I just

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felt this sense of ability, sense of having at

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my... at my will, the knowledge, the resources,

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whatever I needed to accomplish, whatever goal

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I might have to serve God and to serve His purposes.

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And that was my whole intent in everything I

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did. For those of us who had fought with God,

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we were all like that. We all just wanted so

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much to serve Him and to be like Him. As I sat

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in that meeting and sat in the chair, God held

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my hands and talked to me. He motioned for me

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to look through the conduit the angel had brought

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me through. And instead of seeming like it was

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galaxies and galaxies away, it was more like

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I could just see from within that room, my mortal

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life, what it would look like and how it would

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transpire if I chose to accept the mission. that

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God was asking me to accept. I saw all of the

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details. I saw my childhood, my adult life, everything

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that would happen. God let me know that He knew

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that it would be difficult, but that He knew

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I would be able to accomplish it as long as I

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looked to Him for guidance, as long as I stayed

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close to Him. After having experienced my reuniting

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with what I call my real self, not my mortal

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self, for the first time I felt some real trepidation.

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I had seen what would happen. I was really concerned

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that I would fail my father in heaven. I really

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didn't want to fail him. I started thinking that

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maybe it would be better if he let someone else

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take that assignment instead of me. He was able

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to read my thoughts and he held my hands a little

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tighter and he assured me that I would be able

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to accomplish the mission that he was asking

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of me. but several times he told me he would

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understood if I chose not to accept the mission.

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At no point in time during that meeting did he

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make me feel pressured or that he was insistent.

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He just let me know that he was hopeful that

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I would accept that mission and he continued

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to remind me that as long as I remembered him.

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I would succeed. And I knew that He couldn't

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lie to me. I also knew that if during my mortal

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life that I chose not to rely or to remember

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God in my life, if I didn't rely on His guidance

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and I rejected Him or turned against Him in any

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way, that the things I had been shown of my life

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would change, that what I had been shown, even

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though there was great difficulties involved,

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that what I had been shown was what would occur

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in my life as long as I remembered Him, as long

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as I relied on Him. And if I strayed from remembering

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Him, then various events could be altered or

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changed. I contemplated for several minutes And

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as I mentioned before, it was probably one of

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the rare moments in that existence that I had

00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:11.339
felt any kind of trepidation or doubt. But I

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knew that God could not lie to me. And I knew

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that He wanted me to accept that mission. And

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I knew that I could succeed as long as I relied

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on Him. And so... accepted the mission and he

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looked at me and I looked at him and for a few

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moments I was able to look at him with my mortal

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understanding and I looked upon his face that

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was so perfect, so loving, so familiar. and I

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wondered how I had been able to forget his face.

00:21:00.500 --> 00:21:04.619
I wondered how I had been able to forget my interactions

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with him, my life with him. He smiled at me and

00:21:10.579 --> 00:21:14.079
he just let me know, he said, you have, thank

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you. He told me that he loved me and he told

00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:22.059
me that I had chosen wisely and he thanked me

00:21:22.059 --> 00:21:28.539
for my willingness to serve him. From that point,

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he stood and let us know that he loved us and

00:21:33.779 --> 00:21:38.480
he embraced us both once again. I just asked

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in his embrace and his love for me. At that point,

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our meeting was over and my angel took me again

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and returned me to my body. I don't remember

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my return trip. to Earth and I don't remember

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being placed in my body. I just remember knowing

00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:05.839
I was back in my body and knowing what had just

00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:10.660
happened to me. I had hoped that when I returned

00:22:10.660 --> 00:22:14.579
to my body, that my body would be healed and

00:22:14.579 --> 00:22:18.619
that I would not have headaches anymore. But

00:22:18.619 --> 00:22:22.680
when I returned to my body, I returned to a body

00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.619
that was still in a lot of pain and still having

00:22:26.619 --> 00:22:30.839
24 -7 migraines. Still deeply, deeply depressed,

00:22:31.220 --> 00:22:34.700
but I had been extended a lifeline. I knew that

00:22:34.700 --> 00:22:37.319
even though it was going to be really, really

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difficult to hang on to life, that I had to.

00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:45.200
That I had to figure it out. That I had to finish

00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.819
my mission. Wow, thank you. I don't know what

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to say. I usually have too much to say. First

00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:55.039
of all, just thank you for sharing. That was

00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:59.819
obviously so sincere and so tender and so personal

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and I appreciate you trusting us here like that.

00:23:04.539 --> 00:23:07.519
Can I ask you a few questions now? Certainly.

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This angel, did you find out who this angel was?

00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:15.960
Yes, it was my grandfather. How did you find

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that out? It struck me as strange that the whole

00:23:21.380 --> 00:23:24.859
time I was with him, he kept his face away from

00:23:24.859 --> 00:23:29.740
me. He was always either to my side and he would

00:23:29.740 --> 00:23:33.240
turn his head a little bit away from me. He never

00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:36.900
did talk to me face to face directly. Probably

00:23:36.900 --> 00:23:39.660
the closest I came to being face to face with

00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:44.039
him was when he reached for me to come with him.

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And yet I had the strongest sense that he loved

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me. and that He was someone who was special to

00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:56.539
me. So after my experience, I just thought about

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it quite often for a year or so. Finally decided

00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.680
to pray about it and to see if Heavenly Father

00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.019
would reveal to me who He was. It was immediately

00:24:08.019 --> 00:24:10.240
made known to me that it was my grandfather,

00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:14.500
and once it was my paternal grandfather, my father's

00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:18.089
father. Once I knew who it was, then it just

00:24:18.089 --> 00:24:21.990
made so much sense because my father's parents

00:24:21.990 --> 00:24:27.230
were in many ways like parents to me. They were

00:24:27.230 --> 00:24:31.049
people in my life that had been exceptionally

00:24:31.049 --> 00:24:34.829
supportive of me and had been there for me. I

00:24:34.829 --> 00:24:38.609
had spent many, many hours in their home with

00:24:38.609 --> 00:24:42.359
them during my childhood and my youth. It was

00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:46.319
because of them that I had been able to successfully

00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:50.680
navigate several challenges from my childhood

00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.480
and my youth. Our relationship had been very

00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:58.000
close and always had been close and even though

00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:02.779
his spirit appeared to be about 30 years old,

00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.500
I wasn't surprised by that. My husband and I

00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:11.390
were blessed to see our biological children and

00:25:11.390 --> 00:25:13.890
one of our adopted children before they were

00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:18.009
born. And so they also had appeared to be about

00:25:18.009 --> 00:25:22.410
that age. I knew the sizes they would be when

00:25:22.410 --> 00:25:26.710
they were full grown. But even though the features

00:25:26.710 --> 00:25:31.029
of his spirit were those of what he would have

00:25:31.029 --> 00:25:34.750
looked like at about 30, I would have known him

00:25:34.750 --> 00:25:37.849
if I would have looked in his face directly for

00:25:37.849 --> 00:25:41.730
very long. Yeah. Tell me a little bit more about

00:25:41.730 --> 00:25:46.470
this scene where you are seeing you and Greg,

00:25:46.650 --> 00:25:49.930
your husband. But I think you said it sounded

00:25:49.930 --> 00:25:53.869
like it was before this life. Was this something

00:25:53.869 --> 00:25:56.589
a plan or a commitment that you feel like you

00:25:56.589 --> 00:26:00.509
two made before you came here to Earth? Yes.

00:26:00.990 --> 00:26:04.150
How does that work? Do we all do that? I believe

00:26:04.150 --> 00:26:08.589
we do. I believe we do. Like I said, I watched

00:26:08.589 --> 00:26:12.809
those classrooms. They were choosing what kinds

00:26:12.809 --> 00:26:16.650
of experiences that they would have or that any

00:26:16.650 --> 00:26:19.589
of us would have who were part of that existence.

00:26:20.470 --> 00:26:23.849
When I was reunited with all of my memories of

00:26:23.849 --> 00:26:27.869
who I was, Greg was an integral part of that.

00:26:28.109 --> 00:26:32.250
We had worked with each other. We had been a

00:26:32.250 --> 00:26:37.369
part of the same endeavors, the same activities,

00:26:37.670 --> 00:26:42.670
and unfortunately, in my opinion, I know there

00:26:42.670 --> 00:26:45.549
are reasons behind it, but a lot of what I was

00:26:45.549 --> 00:26:49.450
shown in that realm, once I was returned to my

00:26:49.450 --> 00:26:53.329
body, those memories were blocked again. But

00:26:53.329 --> 00:26:57.690
what I have been able to remember are just some

00:26:57.690 --> 00:27:01.390
of the key points, and one of them definitely

00:27:01.390 --> 00:27:04.880
was that Greg and I that there was already a

00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:08.960
plan in place for the two of us. We knew when

00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:13.799
we would be coming to Earth. We knew that we

00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:17.759
would find each other. We knew that we would

00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.500
be together as husband and wife. I would imagine,

00:27:21.700 --> 00:27:25.440
just like I was shown my life, that if either

00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.940
one of us had really made some decisions contrary

00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:34.779
to the commitments we made, There in that existence

00:27:34.779 --> 00:27:37.720
that things could have changed but while I was

00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.920
there and while I was reunited with those memories

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.859
I knew him I knew him as though he were my best

00:27:44.859 --> 00:27:50.559
friend and the the things that I saw all of us

00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:55.180
knew what our purpose was there and we knew that

00:27:55.180 --> 00:27:58.980
we had a purpose to accomplish here in this world

00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:03.099
as well, but the things that we were we were

00:28:03.099 --> 00:28:07.240
looking to accomplish were not the things that

00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:12.440
we typically think of as big accomplishments

00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:17.000
in this world. It wasn't about who was the brightest

00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:21.000
and most brilliant. It wasn't about who accumulated

00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:24.680
or made the most wealth. It wasn't about who

00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.940
was going to be most beautiful or most popular.

00:28:29.339 --> 00:28:34.299
It was about How could we become the most loving?

00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:39.220
How could we develop the talents that we were

00:28:39.220 --> 00:28:42.420
going to be granted or that we already had? How

00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:46.339
could we further develop them and further refine

00:28:46.339 --> 00:28:51.319
them? How could we best serve God in our lives?

00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:57.579
How could we create an existence that honored

00:28:57.579 --> 00:29:02.009
our heritage? And our heritage was being children

00:29:02.009 --> 00:29:06.170
of God. You mentioned seeing other people receiving

00:29:06.170 --> 00:29:10.309
instruction in rooms. Did you feel like these

00:29:10.309 --> 00:29:12.789
were people who were getting ready to come down

00:29:12.789 --> 00:29:17.410
to earth as babies? Yes. And you mentioned the

00:29:17.410 --> 00:29:20.130
instruction had to do with trials they may go

00:29:20.130 --> 00:29:22.049
through. Do you remember anything else about

00:29:22.049 --> 00:29:25.069
what they were learning? I know that one of the

00:29:25.069 --> 00:29:28.759
rooms that I was observing Now I can't think

00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.500
of the name of the condition. There's a condition

00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:34.660
that people suffer from where their lungs become

00:29:34.660 --> 00:29:38.279
very congested. It's a chronic condition. I can't

00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.160
think of what it was called or is called. In

00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:43.880
that room, people were learning what it was like

00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:48.559
to have that condition. And they knew that their

00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.380
mortal existence would generally be cut short.

00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:56.039
They wouldn't have a long mortal existence if

00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.490
they had that condition. Are you thinking of

00:29:58.490 --> 00:30:01.390
cystic fibrosis? Yes, that's exactly what I'm

00:30:01.390 --> 00:30:05.269
thinking of. Thank you. As I look back on that,

00:30:06.009 --> 00:30:11.329
the thing that was remarkable to me is that we

00:30:11.329 --> 00:30:14.329
weren't really concerned about our longevity

00:30:14.329 --> 00:30:18.029
in this world. We weren't concerned about whether

00:30:18.029 --> 00:30:23.089
we would be here for a few years or lots of years.

00:30:23.490 --> 00:30:26.910
We weren't really concerned about getting to

00:30:26.809 --> 00:30:31.390
to be an elderly person, we were more concerned

00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:36.289
with what we could learn and what we could become

00:30:36.289 --> 00:30:41.730
in the time that we spent here. And as I watched

00:30:41.730 --> 00:30:46.230
the conversation about the cystic fibrosis, I

00:30:46.230 --> 00:30:48.730
just remember several people nodding their head

00:30:48.730 --> 00:30:52.970
like, yeah, I think this is a good one for me.

00:30:53.150 --> 00:30:57.910
I think this will really work. Other people would

00:30:57.910 --> 00:31:01.430
nod their head no and say, I think there's something

00:31:01.430 --> 00:31:04.329
else for me. I think something else would help

00:31:04.329 --> 00:31:11.190
me be more like God. And so it just wasn't the

00:31:11.190 --> 00:31:14.789
usual criteria that I would say immortality we

00:31:14.789 --> 00:31:20.329
use to make decisions. We were engrossed in finding

00:31:20.329 --> 00:31:25.650
those things that would help us. and would refine

00:31:25.650 --> 00:31:29.369
us and would make us more pure and more loving.

00:31:29.809 --> 00:31:33.170
So those physical trials and other kind of trials,

00:31:33.210 --> 00:31:36.849
I imagine, were discussed also. We had a hand

00:31:36.849 --> 00:31:40.930
in saying, yes, that's a good plan for me, which

00:31:40.930 --> 00:31:43.150
seems very difficult when we're going through

00:31:43.150 --> 00:31:46.589
those really tough things here. It seems difficult

00:31:46.589 --> 00:31:50.170
to believe. I would not have signed up for that.

00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.680
I totally get that. Just three years ago, a little

00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:02.079
over three years ago, our oldest daughter's husband

00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.319
died from a heart attack, leaving her a widow

00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:14.000
with six children to raise. And the moment that

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.599
we knew he had not made it, our daughter had

00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:21.099
called us and let us know that her husband was

00:32:21.099 --> 00:32:24.309
being live flighted. into the hospital and what

00:32:24.309 --> 00:32:29.069
was going on. And so when we received the call

00:32:29.069 --> 00:32:34.890
that he had not made it, one of my first thoughts

00:32:34.890 --> 00:32:38.289
was, I can't believe this has happened. I can't

00:32:38.289 --> 00:32:41.569
believe she's going to be left alone. I can't

00:32:41.569 --> 00:32:47.609
believe Adam, his name, left her. Yet I knew

00:32:47.609 --> 00:32:52.440
that I had to trust in the Lord's plan and To

00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.579
this day, three years later, watching her and

00:32:56.579 --> 00:32:59.700
her children go through what they have has been

00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:05.440
incredibly difficult. And I know that in all

00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.200
likelihood, he was in one of those classrooms

00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.079
saying, yeah, I think a heart attack is what's

00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:17.000
going to be best. I don't begin to claim that

00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.960
I have all the answers for sure. And I certainly

00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.019
have. I have contemplated on that one a lot,

00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.039
and I still don't know the answers. I just know

00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:32.859
that for me personally, as I have navigated through

00:33:32.859 --> 00:33:36.640
many of the difficulties, basically all of the

00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.519
difficulties of my life, going through them,

00:33:39.900 --> 00:33:43.220
I now ask myself, really? Is this what you agreed

00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:46.839
to? But when I get more on the other side of

00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.569
that difficulty or that challenge that's like,

00:33:51.809 --> 00:33:56.210
okay, I can see that I learned, fill in the blank,

00:33:56.269 --> 00:33:58.910
whatever it was I learned from that experience,

00:33:59.430 --> 00:34:02.890
that probably that was exactly what I had to

00:34:02.890 --> 00:34:05.630
experience to actually learn that the way I needed

00:34:05.630 --> 00:34:08.210
to learn it. And that at that time, when we had

00:34:08.210 --> 00:34:12.409
that large perspective, the idea of not being

00:34:12.409 --> 00:34:15.829
here on earth as long as some other people, that's

00:34:15.829 --> 00:34:19.800
okay. Right. Right. That wasn't. a big problem.

00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:23.519
And the thing, I guess, that I didn't mention

00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.059
and it probably didn't seem relevant when I was

00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:30.519
talking about things, but time there is not the

00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.960
same here. Even if we live here to be an elderly

00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.300
age, the time we're gone from that existence

00:34:40.300 --> 00:34:45.179
is pretty much a blip in the whole eternal scheme

00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:49.070
of things. And so, you know, when we're saying

00:34:49.070 --> 00:34:53.010
goodbye to a loved one there that's coming to

00:34:53.010 --> 00:34:56.690
Earth to have that mortal experience. It's like,

00:34:56.690 --> 00:34:59.449
well, we'll see you in a week or so, you know,

00:34:59.489 --> 00:35:04.210
and like I said, time is really not completely

00:35:04.210 --> 00:35:07.969
relative there. But just to give kind of an idea

00:35:07.969 --> 00:35:12.210
for all of us there, it's like, oh, you won't,

00:35:12.210 --> 00:35:14.030
you know, you're not going to be gone terribly

00:35:14.030 --> 00:35:18.289
long. So we'll see you soon. Whereas here, because

00:35:18.289 --> 00:35:23.269
we do have time here, to think of being absent

00:35:23.269 --> 00:35:28.090
or kept from our loved ones for years and years

00:35:28.090 --> 00:35:32.130
can seem really, really daunting. It is really,

00:35:32.130 --> 00:35:35.670
really daunting, depending on the relationships

00:35:35.670 --> 00:35:38.429
we're talking about. Yeah, just a couple of other

00:35:38.429 --> 00:35:41.210
things before we wrap up, and I'll let you go

00:35:41.210 --> 00:35:43.570
because our time is short here. Learning some

00:35:43.570 --> 00:35:46.289
of these principles, I don't want anyone to take

00:35:46.289 --> 00:35:50.380
them in the wrong way. If someone is considering

00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:53.800
taking their own life, please realize you're

00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.500
loved. People here need you and want you and

00:35:57.500 --> 00:36:00.659
there is help. Don't forget the suicide hotline

00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:03.760
number, which is 988 from all over the United

00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.619
States and many, many countries around the world.

00:36:07.300 --> 00:36:11.260
So please stay here with us. We want you here.

00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.360
Absolutely. God is loving, but you have a purpose.

00:36:14.750 --> 00:36:18.630
In fact, part of my work now will be focusing

00:36:18.630 --> 00:36:22.510
on helping those who are experiencing depression

00:36:22.510 --> 00:36:27.809
and suicidal ideation to hang in there because

00:36:27.809 --> 00:36:33.070
suicide is not the answer. It can seem like the

00:36:33.070 --> 00:36:37.190
answer when your thoughts are being influenced

00:36:37.190 --> 00:36:42.989
by depression, by mental health issues, but we

00:36:42.989 --> 00:36:48.099
all have important important things to do and

00:36:48.099 --> 00:36:53.480
to accomplish and anytime we feel that that's

00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.219
for everyone else but not me I don't matter I'm

00:36:57.219 --> 00:37:00.159
not important I don't have an important mission

00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.079
those are all lies those are thoughts being fed

00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:10.139
by Satan and he's very real I have had some scary

00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:13.639
encounters with him in this life and or those

00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.840
that his the angels that follow him and they're

00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:22.019
real and their work is real but so is God's work

00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:25.480
and the fact that we are God's children is real

00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:29.880
and that we have a mission to accomplish is absolutely

00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:33.289
and incredibly important and real. One other

00:37:33.289 --> 00:37:36.050
quick thing before I let you go, Jo, and that

00:37:36.050 --> 00:37:38.389
is I know that you've written all this stuff

00:37:38.389 --> 00:37:41.150
down, and there's a whole lot more that we didn't

00:37:41.150 --> 00:37:44.389
get into about your adopted children and that

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really cool story and stuff. Did you stick this

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in book form? I did. What's it called? It's called

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A Glimpse of Heaven, One Woman's Life -Altering

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Visit with God. And in my book, I do share my

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near -death experience. I also share the experience

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of being directed by God to find my son Andrew,

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the resulting adoption six and a half years later

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of him and his sister from Russia, and my experience

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of being healed from my 24 -7 migraines. Joe,

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this seemed like a really personal, emotional

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thing for you. And I know you don't share this

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very often. How does it make you feel when you

00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.440
share this experience? That's a really great

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question. How did you feel today? I feel God

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with me when I share this experience. I feel

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God with me most days, quite frankly. That relationship

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that I have with Him is incredibly important

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to me. But what I feel, I guess, As I share my

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experience, is that I'm fulfilling part of my

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mission. There's kind of a feeling like I'm being

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blessed to potentially help somebody, to potentially

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increase somebody's understanding. I don't go

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around every day saying, hey, can I share this

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experience with you? But at the same time, There's

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a real part of me that wants to kind of shout

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out to the world, even though that's not generally

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a possibility. This is what you should know.

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This is what I would want you to know, is that

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you are having difficult experiences, you are

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having learning experiences, but none of us is

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alone. We all have not only a perfect God and

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His Son, and the Holy Ghost to help us, but we

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have this legion of angels that I feel surround

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all of us more if we're asking for their help,

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less if we're not, but we have at our access

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just amazing assistance and help if we're willing

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to ask for it and then utilize it. That's a beautiful

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way to summarize and conclude. Thank you for

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joining me today, Jo. I really appreciate it.

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You're welcome. Thanks again for listening and

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