Amber's Shared Death Experience With Her Father, "We Are Eternally Bonded"

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

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We have a very special guest today. This is going

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to be fun. Amber Kasich, who's coming to us from

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Michigan in the United States. Just a little

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bit of a heads up. As our listeners know, normally

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on the show, we're talking about the traditional

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kinds of near -death experiences where somebody

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dies. go to the other side, have an experience,

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come back, talk about it. But sometimes we get

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into things that are related to that a little

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bit. Today we're going to be talking about a

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really special shared death experience that Amber

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had and I don't want to give away any more of

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it than that. But hi Amber, good morning. Hi,

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good morning. Good to see you. It's good to see

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you. Before we jump in, tell us just a little

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bit about you so we can get to know you. Oh,

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sure. Well, hello, everybody. Hello, listeners.

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Hello, Eric. Again, my name is Amber Kasich.

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I am, gosh, I don't know, your everyday person

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in many ways. A wife, a mom has spent 20 years

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in education, 15 as a teacher, and then five

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years, and I still do a little bit of educational

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consulting. But in 2020, life just drastically

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transformed with my dad's passing and I now also

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serve as an evidential medium as well as an end

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-of -life coach. I have a real passion for this

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sacred transition of death and dying and I work

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as a research intern in a volunteer capacity

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as well with the Shared Crossing Project and

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they do a lot of work with shared death experiences

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similar to what I have. We've had people on the

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show that explained what they do as being a death

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doula What is the difference between that and

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an end -of -life coach? They sound the same Mm

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-hmm. It is very similar with the exception that

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I may not always be working with clients that

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live near me and may not be able to really accompany

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them at bedside per se and there's a little bit

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more of a I'll call it just holistic well -being

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preparation phase that happens well ahead of

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time of those last weeks and days of someone's

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life. And that's really where my focus is while

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I do sometimes support people at bedside, but

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also I'm really looking to just support people

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with their wellness and their well -being across

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five domains, physical, practical, emotional,

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spiritual, as they prepare for that passing.

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And so there's a lot of work we're doing together

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well before they even get to that actual passing.

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So maybe a few weeks or so before they pass over?

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Months even. And I have clients that are not

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terminally ill, but are also Just sort of preparing

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again for that sacred transition their wishes

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their desires How might they communicate that

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and also it's it's a very life -affirming process

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I've gone through it myself and in a way it just

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affirms who we are Celebrating our life's meaning

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in some cases helping just declare that meaning

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in the present moment what has been but also

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for the future for those that again, are not

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necessarily at end of life. I know so many of

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us are uncomfortable talking about end of life,

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but guess what? We're all terminal in some way

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or another. It may be a month or it may be 50

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years or a hundred years, but we're all terminal

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in some way. We're not going to be here forever.

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All right, let's talk about your father a little

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bit. What was going on with his health and how

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were you involved with it? Sure. Well, it's a

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good lead -in actually because I'll have to tell

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you that I fully was in that place of not wanting

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to really think about necessarily talk about

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or knowing how to deal with my dad's upcoming

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passing when he was terminally ill. I suffered

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a lot in private and on my own mostly in preparing

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for my dad's passing. He passed on November 1st

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of 2020 and had about a nine month prior to that

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terminal diagnosis, although his cancer journey

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was a few years long. But once that terminal

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diagnosis was in place, really that day that

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we received that was the day after Memorial Day,

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maybe one of the hardest days of my life. In

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part because I went really into this trauma kind

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of freeze response, not knowing how or what I

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was going to do. And I think the worst part for

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me was thinking about how was I going to control

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suffering. My dad's mine. And I felt that I was

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about to sign up for months and months in a process

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of pure suffering. And it made me feel stuck.

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And that also impacted The ways in which I related

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to my dad at times as a quick example He would

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send me these sort of goofy emails almost every

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day with animal videos and just things to kind

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of make you laugh and roll your eyes There came

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a point where I stopped opening them and I remember

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one day my dad asked me Hey, did you see that

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video? I sent you this morning and I say, you

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know dad I'm saving these because I want to have

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them for years. And what I was saying was I was

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trying to keep him in the future in a time and

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space when I couldn't. And looking back now,

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after all that I've experienced, I so wish there

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are certain things that I could take back. And

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one of them is not reveling in the present moment

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with my dad. He just wanted to connect with me.

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He wanted to share a laugh with me. He wanted

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to not be bothered by his troubles when he was

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with me and kind of deal with them in his own

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space. And that was a missed opportunity in that

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way. And now that I really experienced his transition,

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it felt it even in the moment, I would call it

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as sacred. Intuitively I felt it was my task,

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my sole mission to guide him into passing. This

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wasn't a decision I had before. It just sort

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of happened in the moment. I began to see again

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just the sacredness of this and it was simultaneously

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the most painful and beautiful truly experience

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of my life. Being with him and being able to

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support him in his passing. And so I look back

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now and just think about where my emotional state

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was before his passing, how I view death and

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dying now. And we have so much to learn about

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the beauty, the love, and the sacredness that

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is offered to us in our own passing and by accompanying

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people through theirs, not even in a formal capacity

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as a family member, as just a person of care

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and love. Compared to a lot of people in your

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situation, you had an unusually spiritual experience.

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I did. Almost going with him in some ways. Why

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don't you get into all of that? Yeah, I will.

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That's that shared death experience piece. The

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shared death experience and its definition might

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be a little bit more common than people acknowledge.

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I had not even heard that term before until about

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a year after my experience. But I will just take

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a quick second to say that even without that,

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all of the moments in my normalcy leading up

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to that and being with him and feeling this intuitive

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call to support him in peace and guidance was

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really a gift and something that we all can learn

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from. But I did have a very spiritually transformative

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experience or what I called in the moment, I

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would call it just an otherworldly experience

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is the term that I used for a while. It was about

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12 hours before he actually took his last breath

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physically. I now know that this is the moment

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when his soul transitioned. And I can explain

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that later and what has caused me to come to

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that understanding. But I have learned that there

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is so much more happening in death and dying

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than... just what we think we see, then the manner

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of breathing and when breathing starts and stops.

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There is way more transition happening. And it

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was about 12 hours before my dad actually took

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his last breath, but which now I have that understanding

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that so much more is happening at the soul level.

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And I know that he transitioned. in this moment

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of this shared death experience. And so I was

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lying alongside him in a recliner, he in a hospice

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bed in the living room of my parents' home. And

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I was holding his hand. And you know, of course,

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I remember hearing like the tick tock of the

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clock, literally the sound of the clock and just

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being aware that every second was one second

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less in the life of my dad. And there was a lot

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of great painful thinking happening thinking

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about you know they've already had my last conversation

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with him a couple nights before two in the morning

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i'll never hear his voice again. I'll never see

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my son start kindergarten just all kinds of things

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things that were left a little bit unsaid and

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done at least explicitly between he and i was

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just a great place of great pain and i think

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almost not by choice. I just stopped thinking.

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I just stopped thinking because none of that

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was helpful and instead I just put myself in

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the feelings of the unconditional love that was

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happening because in that moment I was holding

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his hand and his hand was still warm and he is

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still my father and he is still here. in really

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coming into just the full present moment and

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focused on the love that I was feeling and letting

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all that other stuff go. It's not helpful. It's

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not going to change anything. I think in that

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moment it was also in a way a state of surrender.

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And in that state of surrender and unconditional

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love, which I now know is really important for

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these types of experiences, you know, my eyes

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were closed and I started sort of seeing swirls

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of purple in my mind's visions. Very odd for

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me, but I didn't necessarily think anything of

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it, just noticing that. And then I felt this

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kind of tingly warmth start at the top of my

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head and kind of encompass my body from head

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to toe. And I remember having the thought, oh,

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the sun must be coming in the window and kind

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of playing tricks on me. But then I felt with

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full clarity what I can only describe as, because

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I don't quite have the most accurate words for

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this, but it's the best I can do. What I can

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describe as I felt a force enter my back and

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it's almost like a wind because there was a whoosh

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to it but it's not wind because it wasn't on

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my skin but there was this whoosh feeling and

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I felt it come into my back and just sort of

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settle right here in the center of my chest which

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I would now call my heart center but at that

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time I didn't use words like that at all that

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was not a part of my worldview. This force was

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so powerful, the presence so palpable, and the

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experience was so new, unlike anything I have

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ever felt before. This isn't like a bubble that's

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kind of bugging us, you know, on the inside of

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our body. This is a force, a whoosh, and it's

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right here. And the experience was so new, I

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just couldn't judge it. There was nothing to

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judge it against. And again, I was just in that

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state of surrender and love. and just noticing

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awareness and that force started doing slow circles

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like this around the center of my chest but on

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the inside of my body is how that felt almost

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like are you noticing and I did notice and I

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followed that feeling as it very slowly traveled

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to my shoulder and it paused again almost sort

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of signaling to me in a way are you aware and

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then that feeling traveled Again, like on the

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inside of my body, but it's like this force and

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I'm feeling it and it's going down my arm into

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my hand. And then I just knew that feeling went

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into my dad too. I knew it. A feeling of complete

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just wellbeing came over me, unconditional love.

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And I just had this elated knowing we are eternally

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bonded. It was the truest true, and it didn't

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even matter what it meant. I didn't have to analyze

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it. I didn't care what that meant. You know,

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if I say that now, and I sort of had this thought

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just now, I would be thinking to myself, well,

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what does that mean? He's dying, and what do

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you mean we're eternally bonded? And I would

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have all these existential questions. In that

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moment, I had none of those. None of it mattered

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because it was so true, and I didn't need to

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question anything. I gave him a huge hug. Of

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course, you know, my dad had been unconscious

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for two days. And I said in his ear to him, Dad,

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I don't know what that was, but I know you felt

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it too. And you take all that love and light

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in your core with you, words I didn't really

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use at the time. I don't even know where that

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came from. Take all that love and light in your

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core with you and leave the old news behind.

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What was really wrapped up in that when kind

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of reflecting back was just a last kind of verbal

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final forgiveness, if you will. And it was acknowledging

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him in the sense that I know your beauty as a

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soul and your essence and all the other junk,

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kind of the stuff that, I don't know, we were

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close and we had a good relationship, but there

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was some heavy stuff. That's just junk. It's

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our stuff. It's not really you. And I felt so

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strongly that it was necessary for him to not

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take that with him as he went. That it was necessary

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for him to feel that love and light of himself

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and his soul and his essence and move forward

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into the next phase of life. And that's exactly

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what it is, the next phase of life. With that

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lightness and that peace and that worth it was

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just a really beautiful moment And I had to leave

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the house in that moment I had not been with

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my family my own husband and my son for a whole

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week And I had promised them I was gonna come

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home. I was actually Halloween for a few hours

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And I almost didn't want to go back to the house.

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I wanted that to be my last moment with my dad.

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And when I drove home, I was playing music in

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the car and I was singing my heart out and belting

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out the music and I felt so much joy. And I remember

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thinking, what is wrong with me? Why would I

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feel this way? This makes no sense. But it truly

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was an elation, a celebration of not only love,

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but just this knowing we're eternally bonded.

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And I didn't even care what it meant. I just

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knew it to be true. But I did go back to the

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house later that evening. I wanted to recreate

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an experience. My mind wanted to. But the second

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I got in that recliner and I picked up his hand,

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this wouldn't make sense to me totally in the

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moment because I had the belief at that time

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that you're kind of somehow in there until you're

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not breathing, right? But the moment I picked

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up his hand, I knew he was gone. I felt it. I

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just knew. His body is here, but he is not. And

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I held his hand for the rest of the night and

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in the middle of the night he passed away. And

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actually it was during daylight savings time,

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November 1st of 2020, here in Michigan was the

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day at that time when we were changing times

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in the middle of the night. And at first we didn't

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know what time to put on the death certificate

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because he passed during time change. And I absolutely

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find that so fitting because time is not exactly

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what we think. That's just beautiful. Thank you

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for sharing. There's something that I've learned

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from doing these interviews over the years because

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I used to think like most people that your spirit

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leaves your body at the moment that your heart

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stops. Okay, to put it just kind of clinically,

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I've had some people who were in horrific car

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accidents, you know, like head on collision into

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a cement barricade or in a car that flew off

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a cliff and most of those people, if they can

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have a good memory of this, tell me that they

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were taken out of their body before the car actually

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smashed into that cement barricade or landed

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at the bottom of that cliff. They were spared

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that trauma. and they instead wore out of their

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body and watched it happen, but didn't feel any

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of it, didn't have to go through that excruciating

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not only pain split second before death, but

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the trauma of, oh no, here it comes. And so when

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you tell me that your father left a few hours

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before his heart actually stopped, that makes

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sense. It's like, why not? So yes i've heard

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things like that too in those traumatic situations

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and obviously for him this was a passing of cancer

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so there wasn't all that trauma but i have learned

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from my own experiences now as an evidential

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medium which i was not in that moment nor did

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i even fully believe in that i kind of thought

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maybe but i don't know it wasn't something i

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just occupied a lot of my time with in thinking

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about but i now know as a medium from my own

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mediumship experiences, that there is again so

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much more in the days, hours surrounding our

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passing of our soul kind of in both places at

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once. I'm not saying this is scientific what

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I'm about to say, but it's a wondering I've had.

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Many of us have heard of terminal lucidity. My

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dad had a moment like that, which is sort of.

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hours, sometimes days before someone's passing,

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there's a real change, a sudden change in their

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state. Like they haven't eaten for days and all

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of a sudden they're kind of sitting up in bed

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and they're bright -eyed and it's like they have

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their full vibrance and personality back and

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they have a huge meal and they're laughing and

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telling jokes. We call that terminal lucidity

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as a part of the death and dying process that

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many people experience. My wondering now kind

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of knowing what i know now is if in some in some

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way the soul has already sort of met itself beyond

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but the body is not finished its process yet

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but that person is now really in touch with their

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soul and it brings a vibrancy and a return of

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their consciousness that sort of the impression

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that i have based on my personal experiences

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yeah. I had a hospice nurse on the show who talked

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about that very thing. Only they used a different

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term, the place where she worked and was trained.

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I believe they called it the surge. It often

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happened 24 to 48 hours before passing. She talked

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about someone who, wow this was months ago, someone

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who had had dementia and then been basically

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comatose for days. And then all of a sudden woke

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up, got out of bed, was crawling around playing

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with a child on the floor that wasn't there,

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but that that person was seeing in the spirit

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world that veil was thin or whatever, however

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we explain it. And sometimes when the families

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see that, they're like, oh, grandpa's getting

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better. And then they have to get the news. No,

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this actually means he's pretty close to being

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gone. Yeah. And that doesn't always happen, but

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it does happen. Absolutely. And it's hard to

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explain. I mean, I don't know if you have better

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insight on it than I do from a spiritual side,

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besides what you just mentioned. Well, I just

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think that we're coming more and more into connection

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with our soul self. at the time of passing. And

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I want to be clear about what I mean by that.

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We are always already souls. You are a soul right

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now. Every listener listening. Your soul isn't

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something out there that we're going to look

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for or find one day or meet one day. The soul

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is your essence. That is already you. Beyond

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your human conditioning. So the personality characteristics

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that you associate yourself with, the career,

00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.680
the belief system, all those things, they're

00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:49.160
also you. They are your identity, but they're

00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:53.880
not the only you. And if we were to uncover those

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things, what's left is soul. And so when people

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are nearing their passing, this stuff starts

00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:05.740
to fade away. They're not thinking about daily

00:23:05.740 --> 00:23:08.000
life and all the stuff that is bothering them

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they're not many people don't even want to watch

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the news anymore i know my dad who loved the

00:23:12.579 --> 00:23:15.480
news all of a sudden i don't days before his

00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.640
passing it's like he didn't even want it on he

00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:20.900
wanted to be on but not that there's just stuff

00:23:20.900 --> 00:23:24.539
that falls away about ourselves and as those

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pieces fall away what's left is soul I believe

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that people are, it's not again that they're

00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.400
finding their soul. They're becoming more in

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full alignment with the awareness of the soul

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that they already are. And that's a part of what's

00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:46.339
happening at that time. I can also tell you I

00:23:46.339 --> 00:23:50.000
had a mediumship experience and this was before

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I was offering mediumship professionally, but

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it's what made me say I can't not do this for

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people. I had to take the day off work the next

00:24:00.490 --> 00:24:03.930
day in my normal education life because it was

00:24:03.930 --> 00:24:07.849
so profound. It reminded me so much of that sacred

00:24:07.849 --> 00:24:11.380
transition of passing and my dad's passing. And

00:24:11.380 --> 00:24:14.259
it put me in touch with this is who I meant to

00:24:14.259 --> 00:24:17.599
be to help support people in various ways through

00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:20.380
death and dying. And it's a great example of

00:24:20.380 --> 00:24:23.779
what we're talking about. I had a woman contact

00:24:23.779 --> 00:24:26.359
me who was just sort of, again, I was just like

00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:28.380
practicing at this time. It wasn't, there was

00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:31.220
no money involved. It was just an interesting

00:24:31.220 --> 00:24:34.839
curiosity that I was following. And she contacted

00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.359
me, wanted to do a practice together. She was

00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:39.579
also in some spiritual classes and so on and

00:24:39.579 --> 00:24:43.380
so forth. And so as we sat together, this was

00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:47.839
on January 11, 111. I'll remind you that my dad

00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.420
passed on 111, November 1st, just a little different,

00:24:51.579 --> 00:24:55.160
but numbers the same. And her name was Mary,

00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:59.480
my client. And as we sat together and I opened

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up my heart space and sat in tune with that essence

00:25:02.380 --> 00:25:07.920
of soul, I felt this woman. So strongly and I

00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.000
knew she's very petite. She's got brown hair.

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She's very petite She's showing me a Virgin Mary

00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.819
statue with art utensils at its feet And then

00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:21.279
I had this impression of confusion and I kept

00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.220
going I don't know what it means, but I feel

00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:25.759
old and then young and then old and then young

00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:29.279
and She kind of paused and said, you know This

00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:33.680
sounds just like my aunt she has Alzheimer's

00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:35.119
which would make sense for the old and young

00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:38.420
and she paints Virgin Mary statues as a hobby

00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:42.099
and gives them away. But she is living in a long

00:25:42.099 --> 00:25:44.619
-term care facility. She has not passed away.

00:25:45.460 --> 00:25:48.279
But because it was so clear and she is very petite

00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.819
and her characteristics lined up, so because

00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:54.700
the evidence was so glaring, it caused me to

00:25:54.700 --> 00:25:58.380
say, what's happening here? Can we just connect

00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:01.400
as souls? This is fascinating. Do you mind if

00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.319
I proceed? and we were both kind of fascinated

00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:08.579
and so i continued and she helped me feel she

00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:11.700
was doing this in my awareness and was helping

00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.319
me feel i need to pull up my blanket i'm missing

00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.099
my blanket i don't know where my blanket is and

00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:20.180
i could feel that she was fine but she wanted

00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:22.759
comfort she wanted this blanket because it's

00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:25.819
so comforting she showed me a stuffed animal

00:26:25.819 --> 00:26:28.880
and i felt that was missing too things are out

00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:32.349
of place things are missing Of course, my client

00:26:32.349 --> 00:26:34.990
didn't know any of this. So we just sort of thought

00:26:34.990 --> 00:26:37.509
that was interesting. She'll have to let me know.

00:26:37.869 --> 00:26:40.690
And as I move forward, and this is where it's

00:26:40.690 --> 00:26:43.170
really special, if that's not special enough,

00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:46.750
but this man comes into my awareness and he's

00:26:46.750 --> 00:26:49.789
very manly. I can feel it. I can feel it in my

00:26:49.789 --> 00:26:53.009
chest. I've got a deep voice and my chest is

00:26:53.009 --> 00:26:56.289
broad and I'm real manly. And then I said to

00:26:56.289 --> 00:26:59.750
her, I don't know why I'm saying this, but I'm

00:26:59.750 --> 00:27:02.910
holding shopping bags, this manly man, and I'm

00:27:02.910 --> 00:27:06.789
wearing high heels, and I'm going ha ha ha ha

00:27:06.789 --> 00:27:11.410
ha ha. She started laughing, but also went and

00:27:11.410 --> 00:27:16.630
said, this is my aunt with Alzheimer's, her brother.

00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.759
At the last family gathering before he passed,

00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.279
he imitated my petite aunt in her high heels

00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:27.160
carrying all her shopping bags and was parading

00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:31.339
around the room going ha ha ha ha ha ha and she

00:27:31.339 --> 00:27:35.140
shared the picture with me. That man, brother

00:27:35.140 --> 00:27:40.339
in spirit, was here to help me understand that

00:27:40.339 --> 00:27:43.299
he was supporting this aunt in her transition.

00:27:43.879 --> 00:27:46.599
that he was here to care for her. He kept just

00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:48.920
saying, I'm here to help, I'm here to support,

00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.900
I'm caring. And there was also a little bit of,

00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:54.720
I dare I say, I don't know if I wanna use the

00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.460
word excitement, but anticipation is a good word.

00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.900
The feeling of anticipation in him. And so of

00:28:01.900 --> 00:28:05.000
course both of us were just sort of in awe, not

00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.799
sure what to think. And so we exchanged phone

00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.799
numbers. And she called me later that night and

00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.119
said, Amber, I have to tell you. And I wasn't

00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.099
sure how I was going to handle all this. And

00:28:15.099 --> 00:28:18.259
then an hour after we finished our time together,

00:28:18.259 --> 00:28:21.960
I got a call from my aunt's caretaker. The care

00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:26.839
facility called them. They informed the family

00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.359
that they believed she was going to pass and,

00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:31.539
you know, that if they wanted, they should come

00:28:31.539 --> 00:28:34.819
to the care facility. So the family did go. And

00:28:34.819 --> 00:28:37.720
you know what? Her blanket was missing. her stuffed

00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.680
animal was missing. They found it in a laundry

00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:43.920
room, but it had been folded and put on a shelf

00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.599
and no one knew where it was. And so they were

00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.420
able to bring those things to her bedside. And

00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:52.640
again, it's not about she had to have those to

00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.160
pass, but all of us at passing, we just want

00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.769
comfort. We just wanna be able to relax into

00:28:59.769 --> 00:29:03.210
our bodies and relax into the peace of what's

00:29:03.210 --> 00:29:06.410
going on to support our physical selves and our

00:29:06.410 --> 00:29:10.569
soul transition. So here was that aunt as a soul

00:29:10.569 --> 00:29:14.970
already a bit on the other side, just sort of

00:29:14.970 --> 00:29:18.250
waiting for that full transition to take place

00:29:18.250 --> 00:29:21.869
and letting me know what was going to just support

00:29:21.869 --> 00:29:24.869
extra peace and comfort in that, which was having

00:29:24.869 --> 00:29:28.920
her things. This was really impactful. As I said,

00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:31.640
I took the day off work the next day of my full

00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.240
-time job and just sat on the profoundness of

00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:37.660
not only what this means about death and dying,

00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:41.460
but also again, the sacredness of transitioning.

00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:44.920
It's a part of life. It's in a way, it has its

00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.279
own beauty to it. And that was the day that I

00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.460
said, I can't not do this for people. I have

00:29:52.460 --> 00:29:56.539
to. That's so interesting. A lot of people that

00:29:56.539 --> 00:30:01.940
have an NDE or your SDE, or I'm gonna throw out

00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:05.180
another three -letter thing, SDE, spiritually

00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:09.119
transformative experience, come back with some

00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.819
kind of what I like to call spiritual gift, okay?

00:30:13.339 --> 00:30:17.259
Whether it's for you, it's this evidential mediumship,

00:30:17.339 --> 00:30:20.160
some people have psychic abilities, some people...

00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:23.299
know a little bit about the future. Some people

00:30:23.299 --> 00:30:26.880
see out -of -body spirits and angels regularly.

00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.880
As you know there are a number of different things

00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.279
like this. And I don't think any of this would

00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:36.960
happen if it wasn't for a good reason. So I assume

00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.440
that with this new ability of yours, you are

00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.059
helping people. And you just gave one good example

00:30:44.059 --> 00:30:47.660
of that. Why do you think, and I'm asking you

00:30:47.660 --> 00:30:50.019
to totally speculate, why do you think this happens

00:30:50.019 --> 00:30:53.259
to some people, but not to others? Some people

00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:58.400
have had profound NDEs and none of this. They're

00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:03.160
changed, but they're still regular old Joe. Yeah,

00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.279
I totally understand what you mean by that. A

00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.079
couple of comments. One, just to share, when

00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.900
my dad had that SDE, it wasn't even just that

00:31:11.900 --> 00:31:15.099
moment, and I'm expressing this because it relates

00:31:15.099 --> 00:31:17.640
to your question, but he and I began to have

00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.160
a relationship that I didn't necessarily believe

00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.400
at first. I thought I might be going crazy or

00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.279
I thought my mind was inventing things until

00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.779
it became very clear with evidence that this

00:31:26.779 --> 00:31:31.460
is very real. He and I began to communicate and

00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:35.119
he really guided me down this journey. It wasn't

00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:37.720
just like all of a sudden I developed mediumship

00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.359
abilities, but every step I took a new door opened.

00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:44.980
And what's interesting is my father, when he

00:31:44.980 --> 00:31:48.839
was in his 30s, had a motorcycle accident, died.

00:31:49.579 --> 00:31:53.710
He was dead for a few minutes, revived. They

00:31:53.710 --> 00:31:55.910
told him he would probably never be a police

00:31:55.910 --> 00:31:58.150
officer again, at least not out on the streets

00:31:58.150 --> 00:32:00.309
walking and doing all the things police officers

00:32:00.309 --> 00:32:04.230
need to do. And he did not have any recollection

00:32:04.230 --> 00:32:08.309
of any type of experience. But here he was in

00:32:08.309 --> 00:32:12.210
his actual passing in the beyond, very clearly

00:32:12.210 --> 00:32:15.109
having a soul experience and able to, in some

00:32:15.109 --> 00:32:17.910
ways, share some of that with me. And I asked

00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:20.549
myself for a long time, like, why is this happening

00:32:20.549 --> 00:32:24.019
to me? You know, I'm not special. I mean, I'm

00:32:24.019 --> 00:32:26.960
special, but so are you. So is every single person

00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:30.819
listening to this show. We are all equally special

00:32:30.819 --> 00:32:35.799
and worthy, but I would wonder why me? And for

00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.480
me in particular, I just know that this was meant

00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:44.480
to be a part of my path. I was meant to develop

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.569
this ability of mediumship. It just it needed

00:32:48.569 --> 00:32:51.450
to happen at that time in my life. That was just

00:32:51.450 --> 00:32:54.009
the time that my consciousness decided it was

00:32:54.009 --> 00:32:57.329
ready. So in some ways, I believe that we are

00:32:57.329 --> 00:33:01.309
meant for some things. But some of this, in my

00:33:01.309 --> 00:33:04.930
opinion, also has to do with our conscious awareness

00:33:04.930 --> 00:33:08.990
of these experiences. I think that the more that

00:33:08.990 --> 00:33:12.430
we are simply open to them and the more that

00:33:12.430 --> 00:33:15.720
we're educating ourselves about these. then the

00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:21.859
more our awareness can be aware of beautiful

00:33:21.859 --> 00:33:25.680
moments of experience and connection with spirit

00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.920
or with things of spirit and with things of soul.

00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.180
In a lot of ways, sometimes we're just not really

00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:37.539
aware or acknowledging this other aspect of ourselves.

00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:42.009
And that was me well before all of this. I remember

00:33:42.009 --> 00:33:45.410
a moment, a day I got in a bad car accident in

00:33:45.410 --> 00:33:48.170
my 20s, and when I had gotten in the car that

00:33:48.170 --> 00:33:50.849
day and was only a block away at a stoplight,

00:33:51.009 --> 00:33:53.589
I heard a voice say, you've got to be careful

00:33:53.589 --> 00:33:56.789
while driving today. Not my own voice, some other

00:33:56.789 --> 00:34:02.390
voice. But it's almost like I dismissed it so

00:34:02.390 --> 00:34:05.410
strongly that I even stopped thinking about it.

00:34:05.789 --> 00:34:08.860
I only kind of remembered that. after I got in

00:34:08.860 --> 00:34:12.780
the accident a few hours later. And so it is

00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:17.380
my strong belief that all of us to varying degrees

00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:22.079
have a connection to the essence of life. It's

00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.039
only our conditioning that is covering up this

00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:31.820
connection. And so with awareness of You as the

00:34:31.820 --> 00:34:36.420
essence of life as a piece of the tapestry of

00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:40.139
connection that just is it can be no other way

00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:46.000
You can begin to slowly choose to be aware of

00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.619
What might already be happening for you that

00:34:48.619 --> 00:34:52.880
is showing you the connection that you are? So

00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.179
while I was pushed down this path if you will

00:34:56.179 --> 00:35:01.610
I also think we all It's our birthright to experience

00:35:01.610 --> 00:35:04.130
our connection to consciousness because we are

00:35:04.130 --> 00:35:07.309
consciousness. Okay, a couple other quick questions

00:35:07.309 --> 00:35:10.650
before we wrap up. One is, I like to ask people

00:35:10.650 --> 00:35:13.389
who have had a near -death experience, how much

00:35:13.389 --> 00:35:16.809
fear of death do they have now? Now you had a

00:35:16.809 --> 00:35:19.710
different experience. Where's your level of fear

00:35:19.710 --> 00:35:24.369
of death? I have zero fear of death. Absolutely

00:35:24.369 --> 00:35:29.250
zero. And in some ways, And don't take this the

00:35:29.250 --> 00:35:32.570
wrong way. I can't wait to be here until I'm

00:35:32.570 --> 00:35:36.269
a very old woman. But in some ways, I cannot

00:35:36.269 --> 00:35:38.889
wait. It's just gonna be an adventure. As long

00:35:38.889 --> 00:35:43.590
as my family is fine and my son is well and grown

00:35:43.590 --> 00:35:47.130
and we're able to exchange our love and I feel

00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:52.230
content that I'm leaving everything well, I'm

00:35:52.230 --> 00:35:55.590
ready for the adventure because that's what this

00:35:55.590 --> 00:35:59.650
is. And also I just know that I'm going to be

00:35:59.650 --> 00:36:03.010
enveloped in love. I know that I'm going to be

00:36:03.010 --> 00:36:06.510
greeted by my dad. I know without a shadow of

00:36:06.510 --> 00:36:08.690
a doubt that I'm going to get to see my soul

00:36:08.690 --> 00:36:12.289
pal, Yellow Lab Bailey again. I have no doubt

00:36:12.289 --> 00:36:17.050
of that. And I just have more of a mountaintop

00:36:17.050 --> 00:36:21.309
perspective now. Thank you to my dad of who we

00:36:21.309 --> 00:36:25.010
are. And there's so much more to life than just

00:36:25.010 --> 00:36:28.650
what we see. It's okay to be excited about going

00:36:28.650 --> 00:36:32.849
to the other side, but not today. Exactly. Not

00:36:32.849 --> 00:36:35.329
no, just I'll be ready for the adventure when

00:36:35.329 --> 00:36:37.750
the time is right. When the time is right and

00:36:37.750 --> 00:36:41.269
that's okay. Also another commonality with people

00:36:41.269 --> 00:36:44.889
that have near -death experiences and you is

00:36:44.889 --> 00:36:48.869
their life often changes in big ways such as

00:36:48.869 --> 00:36:52.030
change in employment. And I don't just mean a

00:36:52.030 --> 00:36:55.630
job. I mean whole career kinds of changes. and

00:36:55.630 --> 00:36:58.530
other things like that. What else happened in

00:36:58.530 --> 00:37:01.389
your life that became different? Well, there

00:37:01.389 --> 00:37:04.369
was just a lot of inner transformation, first

00:37:04.369 --> 00:37:07.309
and foremost, besides how I was seeing the world.

00:37:07.929 --> 00:37:11.010
Because of my communication that I was having

00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:13.409
with my dad in spirit, especially for that first

00:37:13.409 --> 00:37:17.329
year, there was a lot of healing offered. Also,

00:37:17.889 --> 00:37:22.239
I was given perspectives to see um certain instances

00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.039
that you know all of us in life have things that

00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:29.079
causes trauma and sometimes things that cause

00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.300
trauma because of the way we're viewing them

00:37:31.300 --> 00:37:34.860
not necessarily it's just it's how we have internalized

00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:39.059
different things and so there was a lot of healing

00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:43.639
growing in the knowing of my own worth and worth

00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:47.659
not like i'm so amazing more worth like i am

00:37:47.659 --> 00:37:51.489
a beautiful treasured soul And I got to really

00:37:51.489 --> 00:37:55.429
feel that. And it was some of the most humbling

00:37:55.429 --> 00:37:59.210
experiences that I've ever had. And I got to

00:37:59.210 --> 00:38:04.750
feel how we're all that very same sense of worthiness,

00:38:05.090 --> 00:38:10.130
every single one of us. So feeling myself in

00:38:10.130 --> 00:38:15.039
new ways was very healing. And then also, I became

00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.300
way less interested in the new ice into this

00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:21.360
day. I want to know what's going on in the world,

00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:26.800
but I do not Allow myself and even feel inclined

00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.539
to is a better word for it getting wrapped up

00:38:29.539 --> 00:38:32.679
in this stuff Because you know what? It's all

00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.440
just the muck we get drugged down by it We can

00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.039
spend too much time with it. Totally and it's

00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:43.539
just not really who we are and those getting

00:38:43.539 --> 00:38:46.980
trapped in those emotions and just the mock of

00:38:46.980 --> 00:38:51.019
life takes us out of that higher expansiveness

00:38:51.019 --> 00:38:53.639
and connection. I used to get really annoyed,

00:38:53.860 --> 00:38:55.820
I'll tell you this, before all of this, when

00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:58.000
people would say, ah, watch the news lesson.

00:38:58.579 --> 00:39:00.920
Out of an empathy piece, I would feel like, but

00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.800
I have to, it's almost validating of the people

00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:06.480
that are experiencing all these horrible things,

00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:11.050
like I have to. And now I get it. It's not that

00:39:11.050 --> 00:39:13.550
I'm uninformed and it's not that I'm still not

00:39:13.550 --> 00:39:16.630
feeling the empathy or validating people in my

00:39:16.630 --> 00:39:21.309
own way. But I'm also just in that higher perspective

00:39:21.309 --> 00:39:25.170
of who we are. And more importantly, who we all

00:39:25.170 --> 00:39:27.889
could be, who we all could be. And that doesn't

00:39:27.889 --> 00:39:30.730
mean everybody should be the same. We're not

00:39:30.730 --> 00:39:34.829
supposed to all be the same. It means taking

00:39:34.829 --> 00:39:38.329
ourselves out of the muck. in seeing not only

00:39:38.329 --> 00:39:41.670
ourselves, but others from a higher perspective.

00:39:42.190 --> 00:39:44.889
That would change the world. So there's that.

00:39:45.250 --> 00:39:49.449
I get in less Facebook arguments, all that kind

00:39:49.449 --> 00:39:53.050
of stuff. I just, I see people for the worth

00:39:53.050 --> 00:39:56.150
that they are. Even people I don't necessarily

00:39:56.150 --> 00:39:59.510
like all that much. How about personal relationships?

00:39:59.829 --> 00:40:03.190
Did any of those change? Yeah, I love sharing

00:40:03.190 --> 00:40:06.789
this actually. My mom and I became a lot closer

00:40:06.789 --> 00:40:10.230
as a result of these experiences and I don't

00:40:10.230 --> 00:40:13.210
think that that's an accident either. I think

00:40:13.210 --> 00:40:17.929
my dad felt in spirit a sense of responsibility

00:40:17.929 --> 00:40:23.070
for bringing us together in a different way and

00:40:23.070 --> 00:40:26.289
that was also very healing. My mom has been so

00:40:26.289 --> 00:40:29.570
validating of these experiences for me and she

00:40:29.659 --> 00:40:32.179
did not believe in mediums, did not believe in

00:40:32.179 --> 00:40:35.900
mediumship at all. But my dad proved it to us

00:40:35.900 --> 00:40:38.599
in one special moment. I was in the middle of

00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.940
a work project and I just, I felt his presence.

00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:44.619
This was like four months after he died and by

00:40:44.619 --> 00:40:47.380
then I knew when I felt it and I had believed

00:40:47.380 --> 00:40:50.639
it by now and I tuned in. I mean, I was literally

00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.119
my hands on the keyboard and I just tuned in

00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.840
and I heard his actual voice in my mind and it

00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.210
said, Call mom. She's sad and eating pudding

00:41:00.210 --> 00:41:03.230
right now and I picked up the phone Well, actually

00:41:03.230 --> 00:41:06.250
I didn't at first because I I was a little afraid

00:41:06.250 --> 00:41:08.710
What if she's not sad? What if she's not eating

00:41:08.710 --> 00:41:12.590
pudding and when I didn't I felt my dad's non

00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:15.010
-judgmental Disappointment non -judgmental, but

00:41:15.010 --> 00:41:17.750
he really wanted me to call her So because I

00:41:17.750 --> 00:41:20.389
felt that emotion from him in spirit, I kind

00:41:20.389 --> 00:41:22.590
of okay I grudged up the courage and I called

00:41:22.590 --> 00:41:25.420
my mom She was crying. She was crying when she

00:41:25.420 --> 00:41:27.440
answered the phone. And there's something wrong

00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:29.340
in the house that normally my dad would deal

00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:31.139
with and she was struggling and it was bringing

00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:34.159
up all her grief. And I asked her, Mom, were

00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.380
you just eating pudding? Yes, I was eating pudding.

00:41:37.460 --> 00:41:39.760
Why are you asking me that? And I shared with

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.440
her what had happened and it brought just this

00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.579
huge moment of joy in her. That was like the

00:41:45.579 --> 00:41:48.920
moment for her where she really knew, just knew,

00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.539
knew beyond the shadow of a doubt. that all the

00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:53.679
stuff that I've been saying and feeling really,

00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:57.119
really is true. And there was just a lot of kind

00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.099
of healing communication that occurred from that

00:42:00.099 --> 00:42:04.639
and through that her validation of me and trust

00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.480
in me and belief in me through all of these experiences

00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.280
in its own way has been very healing. And, you

00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.219
know, while no relations are perfect, We have

00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:16.579
a new, a different, just a different level of

00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:18.639
relating to each other and closeness because

00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.340
of all of this. And I know, I know that was in

00:42:21.340 --> 00:42:25.280
part on purpose. I know it. All right. If anybody

00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.320
wants to reach out to you, do you mind if I put

00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.139
your website in the show notes? Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:33.239
I would love that. Just scroll down anybody,

00:42:33.380 --> 00:42:35.900
you'll find it. I'm going to give you the last

00:42:35.900 --> 00:42:38.760
word here. One of the things that you said early

00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.039
on is that you learned that we are, quote, eternally

00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.619
bonded. Would you please just explain that a

00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:51.119
little bit more and Who are we bonded to? Every

00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:55.739
single one of us is eternally bonded to source

00:42:55.739 --> 00:43:01.360
connection there is no separation number one

00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.699
and If I could wrap up all of my years of experience

00:43:06.699 --> 00:43:10.300
into one phrase that is at the heart of everything

00:43:10.730 --> 00:43:14.250
And what is most important for everyone to understand,

00:43:14.510 --> 00:43:20.769
it is this. You are already divine, already whole,

00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:26.550
already worthy. You don't have to prove yourself

00:43:26.550 --> 00:43:31.409
to anyone or anything or any being. Every single

00:43:31.409 --> 00:43:36.429
one of us is so very loved, so profoundly worthy

00:43:36.429 --> 00:43:41.699
at the level of soul. and we have no idea how

00:43:41.699 --> 00:43:46.460
cared for and connected we are. Yes, sometimes

00:43:46.460 --> 00:43:50.199
to loved ones in an eternal sense, but also just

00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:54.820
to the source of spirit. You are not alone, even

00:43:54.820 --> 00:43:57.800
if it's unrecognizable to your heart. Amber,

00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:03.250
thank you. Thank you. Thanks again for listening

00:44:03.250 --> 00:44:05.710
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00:44:21.989 --> 00:44:24.409
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