3 NDE's, Saw The Universe

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, where we

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have conversations with people who have died,

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experienced a glimpse of the other side, and

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return to talk about it. I hope you know this

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thank you for caring so much and listening so

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intently to even have an opinion, but we want

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format of the show. One more quick note before

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we get to today's guest. Thank you, thank you

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Really, thank you again. Now buckle up for our

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conversation with three -time near -death experiencer

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Masadi. We're gonna have an unusual and a really

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cool experience today learning a lot From Masadi

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welcome to the show. How are you? I'm doing fantastic

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Eric. Thanks for having me on Well, you're very

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welcome. I've been looking forward to this actually

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for months This has been going we've been trying

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to get this thing set up and I'm so glad we finally

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get to talk But before we jump in to just to

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let people know three NDEs we're going to be

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talking about with a lot that was learned from

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them and takeaways for everybody in their life.

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Before we jump into those, give me one minute

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of just of your background. Who's Mas? whose

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moss well, you know, I was born in Afghanistan

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and you know, my father was pretty much a pretty

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much a famous surgeon he he was part of the You

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know doctors that helped him like dr. Eisenhower.

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So at that level so he came to the US and You

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know, we were left behind and then in 68 we we

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came over, you know I I understood say the culture

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and the fascination of being in America But then

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also held on to my original culture, you know

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the deep level culture, the deep level understanding

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and so on like that. I mean, just think America

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is only 200 and some years or 300 years old.

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Let's just say it's very new compared to cultures

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that are, that go back thousands and thousands

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of years, you know, and that's in our gene pool

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as well. So having the both sides of that was

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a little confusing at first, but then later on,

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it really gave me a strong foundation, you know,

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strong family values and so on. And from that,

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I always wanted to be say the best possible human

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ever. or I just wanted to enjoy life as grandly

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as possible. I went toward the religious route.

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Religions are fantastic, but it left a lot of

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questions unanswered for me. As a young kid,

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you go into, well, I'll be successful. because

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then I'll be happy. But again, my father, we

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had a lot of high -level or high -profile individuals

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visit us during dinner and so on like that. And

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I looked at them and I'm going, God, they're

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just messed up as anybody else. Their wealth

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didn't really help them out. So at a young age,

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I was going, well, I don't want to go that way.

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And I don't want to go that way. So that's pretty

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much me. It's just literally wanting to find

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out what makes life tick. you know, to be our

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best potential. That is very unusual for a young

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person. How old were you, by the way, before

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you came here to the States? I was six. Okay.

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So that's why I don't have an accent. But yeah,

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I was six years old. And by the time I was eight

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or nine, I always had like this intuitive, say,

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gift of just understanding people at a deep level,

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not what they were saying, but just, you know,

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when you're a kid, Eric, you have all these abilities,

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but then by the time we hit seven or eight, it

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gets shut down because our family structure,

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maybe religious structure, societal patterns,

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it's not the science, all that stuff. But somehow

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I kept mine open. And that's what I do today

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is I help literally reopen the gifts that we

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all have as a child. At that age, I wanted to

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be an artist. And because on art projects, I

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saw that some kids were so much better at it

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than I was, I kind of shut myself down. And it

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wasn't that a teacher ever said, oh, you have

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no talent. I compared myself and said, I have

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no talent compared to those guys, so I better

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go figure out something else to do. Anyway, so

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I think I can relate and that's really cool that

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you kept open to all of that possibility. All

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right, let's jump in. I believe it was when you

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were 22 years old that you had your first experience

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and wow, what a crazy accident. This doesn't

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happen every day. Would you mind giving us some

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background as to what happened? Yeah. So again,

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the biggest key of my near deaths is that I was

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pre -programmed or yeah, like pre -programmed

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or educated so that near death would actually

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help catapult me into higher levels of understanding.

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So before that, I was really, I was in college,

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college job as a warehouse experience, kind of

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confused because again, I was going towards religion

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and that didn't help out. And then success and

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I'm going, well, what do I want to be? Because

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you're a college kid, am I going to waste four

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years of my life just fitting into a cog? So

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that really created an opportunity. And I think

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I wanted to know. who I was so bad or that one

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equation of what life is really about that the

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universe actually spoke up. It's like, hey, do

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you really want to know? And I said, yeah, I

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really want to know. So this is where the opportunity

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of that first near death happened. I was unloading

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rail cars at Target Warehouse. And inside the

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rail cars, Eric, they have these moving walls

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that keep the product in place. Well, that wall

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inside the rail car was stuck. So I you know

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being athletic I climbed up and I was just pulling

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on the top rail and My team members were pulling

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on the bottom and all sudden that that wall probably

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about a half ton Just gave way and it just slid

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across its rails and it crushed my jaw Between

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the ceiling members and the wall. I was just

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like glitter crushed right by my jaw not by my

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neck I would have probably not come back but

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by my jaw And that's where I really realized

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who we were or who our potential was because

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this was a complete separation of physical form

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so what that means is that I was say Hovering

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in the railcar and I was looking at my body dangling

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and I'm going god That's so limited of who you

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could be and I'm going who said that you know,

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cuz it's like well cuz I'm I'm over here What

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is my body doing over there? And as soon as I

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said that it is like Oh, I'm dead. But I didn't

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get remorseful or sad or anything like that.

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I just go, damn, this is so cool because I get

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to experience the potential that I always felt

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that I had in real form. And it was amazing.

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I didn't even look at my physical body. It's

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like, oh, wow. Okay, that's great. Let me see

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the potential. It was amazing. And I went into

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not the first realm where people start to see,

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you know, their loved ones or their dogs or whatever,

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welcome them in. You know, the second, third,

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fourth is, you know, the spiritual, religious

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type aspects, frequencies. I went into the like

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the fourth stage of death, which is a life review,

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as they call it, but it's actually a right life

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we live. So what that is, is that We're living

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life as a kindergartener and we don't understand

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the concepts of it. But the life review, it's

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not about, you know, you did this good, you did

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this wrong, you're going to hell or heaven. Nothing

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like that. It literally is. You see it from an

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educated perspective, like a PhD level, seeing

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your life and you go, Oh, that's why this happened.

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That's why that happened. And it literally removes

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the remorse or guilt or shame and all those things

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that we built, you know, pull along with us.

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So, and you get to see that things just happen

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just literally because out of programming, just

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logistics. It's got nothing to do with a religion

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or God or, you know, was I a good person, bad

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person? Am I paying back debt from a previous

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lifetime? It's just literally you were running

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this algorithm. This is why it happened. So it

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was that kind of logic system in me. I love that

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about life reviews that there's not guilt associated

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with it. It's a time of learning. It's almost

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like a quick university of here's things that

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I can learn from what happened in my life. Exactly.

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And that's what I do today is like, okay, let's

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go back in history of your life. You can't change

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what happened because that's written down in

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a moment of time, but you can definitely change

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the meaning you take away from it. And that's

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what I learned on that first near death. It allowed

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me to understand the possibilities of who we

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are. And it was so amazing. It's like, gosh,

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I want to stay here forever. And then the concept

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of time, was really interesting as well. And

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so I get into time and space and that like quantum

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mechanics and so on. And I sat back as I reviewed

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my life and I'm going, wait a second, how did

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I just relive 22 years of my life in just mere

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seconds? So I was still conscious at some level,

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because it's not a memory, it's not a review,

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it's not fast forward. You literally relive all

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of your life, Eric. in a mere few, maybe at the

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most, maybe a minute. Including what you felt?

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Yes. It wasn't just like watching a movie. It

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was like actually reliving it. Reliving it and

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rewriting the past, literally as I relived it,

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which is quite amazing. And I'm going, how did

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I do that? How did I live 22 years in? I don't

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know how long, but so time functions were really

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distorted for me. Actually, when I came back.

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Then as soon as you say whatever you think about

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creates itself, which is pretty cool But dangerous

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at the same time and we can talk about that later

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But you know, I was thinking it's like gosh I

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really want to stay here and then you know that

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question or that voice comes up It's like yeah,

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you could stay here or you can go back and as

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soon as you think about going back You go back

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and that's where I found myself. I missed that.

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I was probably out you know unconscious at the

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time, but I found myself in the hospital with

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my jaws wired shut. That's when I first woke

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up. I don't know how long in between that was.

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Yeah. Is there anything else that you remember

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from that experience? Any other detail, things

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you saw, heard, felt? The amount of love, there

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is no judgment there. It's just points of reference.

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You just see the beauty, you see the grace of

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why we're here, what we've created for. You get

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to see the original intention of why we took

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billions of years to create such, say, intelligent

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system like a human being. And the amount of

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love, gosh, the raw love that's there, I can't

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even describe it at that level, but it's just

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pure, raw, unadultered love. unlike anything

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that I've experienced here in physical form in

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my 22 years. And it's just quite, quite beautiful,

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quite expansive. So you woke up in the hospital.

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Did they tell you what happened? I'm just kind

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of curious how you got rescued as well. Well,

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there was team members, so they probably just,

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you know, called the ambulance or whatever. They

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took me, they rushed me to the hospital. It was

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a, it's a, you know, Fridley, it's a big town.

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So the hospital's not too far away. Yeah, what

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I did realize though is like when I woke up what

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got gained consciousness is like I can't move

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my mouth Because they had just wired everything

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in they did they left a slit about this much

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for a straw so for three months I Literally had

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my mom whipped the food up in a blender and I

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just sucked my food up whether it's a hamburger

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But the coolest thing I didn't care It was the

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most beautiful moment because I saw layers of

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realities that most people don't. I saw colors,

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I heard sounds that doesn't exist in this realm,

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and it was really beautiful. I saw the depth

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of how, say, trees or even people create themselves,

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the deeper layers of who somebody is, not just,

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say, their surface, not just the skin or the

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suit that we wear here. So it's quite beautiful.

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It's quite amazing. You know to be in that state

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and observe and look at everything and go. Oh,

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that's how things create themselves So it sounds

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like a lot of that carried over It wasn't just

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I had the experience and then okay that was over

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It almost sounds like this really was with you

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changed you became part of you I want you in

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just a minute to tell me how long it was between

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that and your second near -death experience but

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also fill in how had your life changed during

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that time? My intuition, I gained a lot of intuition.

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I could see what was happening. I could see people,

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it's like, oh, that person is going to get into

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an argument with their spouse or so and so they're

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going to get a job promotion or whatever. I could

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just like kind of see the future. I would say

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it was like psychic abilities, the normal psychic

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abilities. And again, we can explain the details

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later, but this was more just knowing how timeframes

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worked or time functions worked. I used it to

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create a massive, very successful internet business

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back in the day when I was younger. Yeah, it

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was beautiful. It was fantastic. All right. Well,

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let's go ahead and jump to experience number

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two. Towards experience number two, again, just

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as it set the stage, I wasn't happy with my life

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because I always wanted to go back. Once you

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go and see that realm, you always go, gosh, that

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realm is so great. It's like a vacation spot

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that is so beautiful. It's like, gosh, I'm really

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myself at that level. You know, you have kids,

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you get a wife, you get a job, and it sounds

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great on the outside. And this is what I help

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with people nowadays. It sounds really great

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on the outside, highly successful. on the outside,

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but inside just like tormented. It's like, gosh,

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I'm losing more of myself becoming successful.

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I'm losing more of my identity. I feel so hollow.

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So things have to break down. And I think that's

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where I had a second near death experience. I

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just really wanted to understand. I was like,

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why can't I have or why can't I be that person

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that I experienced in that near death in physical

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form? Why do I have to like suffer? Why do I

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have to get diseased? I was sick. I was ill.

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I was aging. profusely for a 44 year old. Well,

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welcome to planet Earth, Moss. Yeah, crazy. I

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wish I could say there was a way that we could

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live here like what it's like there. As much

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as we try, let's face it, it's not the same.

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It's not the same, but the second near death,

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it was a drowning accident. We were in Belize.

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We were on a rafting trip. You know, you get

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off the ship, you were on a cruise, you get off

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a ship and you go on a rafting trip. We had,

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what, three kids at the time? Four kids at the

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time, but the one was too small to go on the

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trip. So three kids at the time, and the wife

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at the time. And it was interesting where, say,

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the reality or the jungle, really knows what's

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going on. As we got on, it was windy, there was

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birds or animal noises in the jungle. As soon

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as we got on, it got dead silence. It was like

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a movie set. It was like everything, just no

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wind, nothing. It just quieted down. I'm going,

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wow, why is it so quiet? Everything was predetermined

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for me. They had life jackets for everybody.

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It was a big group. They had life jackets for

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everybody except for me. So I said, well, I'm

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a strong swimmer. You know, I was in high school

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swimming and all that. I'll be okay. I've got

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an inner tube, right? Again, preset, pre -staged.

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And as soon as we got into the river, which was

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flowing really fast, it says, okay, like you

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got to stay connected. Otherwise you might go

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into other tributaries. Well, that's what happened.

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Somehow I let go. of the group and my son and

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I, we went the other way and we got stuck into

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a cenotes. Basically I got sucked out of the

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inner tube and I got pulled into say the depths

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of the river. Probably back then it was probably

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a lava tube. Now it's filled with, you know,

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water. So like a whirlpool kind of thing sucking

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you down? Yeah, it was like a, imagine a, you

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know, big rock sticking out with a hole. Yeah.

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Manhole size. And I just got pulled in. And I'm

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trying to climb back up and I'm going, oh my

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God, you know, and the power, the force of the

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power, water going in is too much. And that's

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where, you know, you say goodbye to your loved

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ones. You know, it's like, damn, I'm just 44.

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I just started life. It was like, well, you know,

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why? And I couldn't hold my breath any longer.

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And I just let go. It's like, okay, I guess this

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is the way it is. This is where it became really

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familiar. It's like, oh. here I go again and

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I was like really super excited because I got

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to go back to that brilliance and it's like but

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this time what was amazing is that I saw my body

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like go down you know into you know the darkness

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and then I myself transcended you know through

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the water and I could still feel the coolness

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but the expansion of the water and then I just

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transcended and you know that how they say you

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go through the tunnel of light I wouldn't pass

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through the tunnel of light so there's about

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13 14 layers basically a cleansing process for

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the spirit I would say you get a 13th layer and

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you graduate and If you graduate, you're not

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supposed to come back. But somehow I sneaked

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past the curtains. And this is where I got downloaded

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on how this reality works, the logistics or the

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physics of this reality. This is where I saw

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all possibilities of what is, all things happening

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at once. Like Einstein always says, everything

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happens at once, if it wasn't for time and space.

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That's true. Everything I saw my past, I saw

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my future, I saw everybody else's. It's literally

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a huge database of possibilities out there all

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just floating around. If you focus on something,

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you get to experience it. The amount of love

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or grace. that is up there. It's just quite amazing.

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It's just so beautiful. And again, it's not denoted

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to a religion or, you know, a God, it's just

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like you. It's a, it's a, it's a universe of

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who you are. And then also, you know, an awareness

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that there's a higher intelligence that created

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this space as well. And I go, dang, it's so beautiful.

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And there's this beautiful blue that always sticks

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with me. So in that case, I don't know how I

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got out of the hole, but it's like when it was

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my time to come back. It's like some of the God's

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hands, so to speak, like pulled me out, put me

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on the side of the river and woke me up. I was

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looking, my hands were bloody, my back was bloody,

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but I wasn't drowning. I didn't need to get resuscitated.

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I'm just like, how did I get back here? And I

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could still see the inner tube getting sucked

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into the hole. It was too big for it. And I'm

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going, wow, this is amazing. is beautiful, that

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resonance was still there with me. But from that

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second near death, this is where I got the logistics

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and what my abilities are today of helping people,

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shifting people, where you can edit people. It

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doesn't take 20 years of therapy or anything

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like that. People will literally radically transform

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with the work that I do, just like I did. By

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the way, was your son okay? Yeah, I had pushed

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them aside. I pushed them out of the way and

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then I got sucked in. They went past the hole.

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Explain that blue to me a little bit more. Blue?

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It's that ocean blue. It's interesting. You know

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that deep ocean blue? That purplish blue that

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you see in the deep ocean? Everything was like

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that. I mean literally everything. It's just

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like imagine you're like sitting on the edge

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of the universe. And you're just looking out

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into the stars. There's no time, there's no space

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at that level. And you're just sitting on the

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edge of time and space, literally looking towards

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say time and space or this reality or this universe.

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And you could see, you could start to see or

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understand the principles on how things get created.

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And it's just a beautiful space that's just so

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expansive that holds everything. So it was much

00:22:05.349 --> 00:22:08.630
more than just the water you were seeing. the

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expanse of space. You were seeing sort of an

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everything. Yeah, you literally sitting on edge

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and seeing the universe. So you weren't in space,

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you were literally outside of space looking at

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the universe. Yeah. So you mentioned you felt

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like this was all pre -staged. So I've got to

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ask pre -staged by who or by what or why? That's

00:22:34.730 --> 00:22:37.309
a great question. Maybe a higher power, maybe

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my higher self really wanting to say, embody

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what our potential is really about. So this is

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how we create ourselves, right? You know, we

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have a program and then that program runs and

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that's what we call our life. So for me, I think

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I was here to really understand what life is

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about at a very, very deep level and help others

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that way as well. So these near -death experiences,

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my third one, I think helped me realize that

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if you think of it as an apprentice level, apprentice

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level, you start to understand, say, your trade,

00:23:12.069 --> 00:23:14.029
if that makes sense for you. You start to understand

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the concepts that we are more than just physical

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beings, because I was a computer programmer.

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Just basic logic, or basic science, and that's

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what society today is. It's just like, if we

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can't measure it, it doesn't exist. But that

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proved to me as like, wait a second, there's

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a lot of things that we can't measure that exists

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that create this reality. So that was the apprentice

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stage. And then the second near death was the

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journeyman stage, where literally I started to

00:23:41.380 --> 00:23:43.779
learn on say the mechanics or the programming

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on how humans render themselves. And this is

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where I can help people with, you know, if they're

00:23:49.269 --> 00:23:52.009
diseased, I don't claim to be a doctor, but people

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who have cured themselves of the most amazing

00:23:53.789 --> 00:23:56.130
diseases or they've become wealthier or they

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become, you know, more congruent with their relationships

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and so on like that. So how do you change that?

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Literally, it's a program. The second one really

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allowed me to say, understand my craft on what

00:24:07.829 --> 00:24:12.170
I do. And then the third near death was more,

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I died in Peru. probably the altitude, probably

00:24:16.289 --> 00:24:18.569
COVID, it was around COVID time, probably about

00:24:18.569 --> 00:24:20.670
three, four years ago actually. And that really

00:24:20.670 --> 00:24:24.549
allowed me to close everything up or become mastery

00:24:24.549 --> 00:24:27.549
level, I would say. Maybe I had COVID at the

00:24:27.549 --> 00:24:31.089
time, but basically every aspect of me slowed

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down. So I didn't have enough minerals to sustain

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life and I just went out again, died. And they

00:24:39.809 --> 00:24:43.190
measured my brain and it was just mush. And then

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20 minutes later, they measured the brain scan

00:24:46.029 --> 00:24:48.289
again, because at high altitudes, they thought

00:24:48.289 --> 00:24:51.490
something had ruptured in my brain. Embolism?

00:24:52.289 --> 00:24:54.849
Yeah, embolisms, yeah. And then 20 minutes later,

00:24:55.289 --> 00:24:57.289
they measured my brain again, and it was like

00:24:57.289 --> 00:25:00.289
of a pristine. And I was like, what, 60 at the

00:25:00.289 --> 00:25:03.809
time? And my brain looked like a perfect walnut

00:25:03.809 --> 00:25:06.839
shape, like a 25 -year -old brain. something

00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.099
radically say shifted and transformed. So the

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third near death was literally embodying say

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youth and vitality of a younger version of myself.

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Let's talk about some of the takeaways because

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I don't think NDEs are just for a, you know,

00:25:23.259 --> 00:25:25.440
like going to Disneyland, they're just a ride

00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:30.920
for woohoo kind of thing. They are to teach things,

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especially to the person that experiences it.

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And some people can share it with others. And

00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.680
so we've got a lot more to get into here, but

00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:42.420
I was curious, you used the term download. Is

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that basically how you learned? Is a lot of information

00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:47.980
felt like it was downloaded to you at a time?

00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.819
Yes. Or, you know, you let go of your identity

00:25:52.819 --> 00:25:57.119
of who you are, a physical body, so you remember

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or you reclaim the original identity of who you

00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:06.200
are. Okay. How does... quantum physics or mechanics

00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:10.140
relate to all of this and frequency? Time and

00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:13.819
space, say you're an infinite being, I call it

00:26:13.819 --> 00:26:16.359
a timeless self, a consciousness and intelligence

00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:19.319
that renders our physical body here. So quantum

00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:21.900
mechanics are really getting into that and I

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work with quantum computers and AI and so on

00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:27.700
to really create, say, coherence in them. So

00:26:27.700 --> 00:26:31.420
in that sense, the quantum realm out there, Things

00:26:31.420 --> 00:26:34.859
that affect say particles here, that's how it

00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:37.660
gets involved. There is a consciousness layer

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that goes say beyond say the fabric of space

00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.880
and time that create physical form here. And

00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.839
that's the reality that I exist in today. So

00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.759
imagine that your thoughts, your thoughts, right?

00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.839
It doesn't render anything, but then you manifest

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it into say a physical manifestation, like an

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invention or something like that. It's somewhat.

00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.240
very similar to that, but at a higher level.

00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.940
So imagine an intelligence, that intelligence

00:27:06.940 --> 00:27:09.680
thought some people might call your spirit rendering

00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:13.359
itself in physical form here. So that connection,

00:27:13.779 --> 00:27:17.019
that bridge layer is say what I work at today,

00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:20.440
understanding that bridge layer. So it's almost

00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:24.279
like things are created, you use the term spirit,

00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.480
things are created spiritually or some other

00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:31.440
way than physically. Yes, it's always like that.

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.839
Again, anything invented here or created came

00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.000
from, say, a form, right, or a thought form.

00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:40.279
But then where did that thought form come from?

00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:42.519
And, you know, I could explain how like Tesla,

00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.059
Tesla, for example, Nikola Tesla, according to

00:27:46.059 --> 00:27:50.319
his own writings, he basically zoned out, so

00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:53.240
to speak, kind of a, say, a near death or even

00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:55.980
psychedelics. help you disconnect from your physical

00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:59.140
form. He escapes into a higher realm where those

00:27:59.140 --> 00:28:02.700
inventions already exist. And then he understands

00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:05.140
them at that level. And then he has the ability

00:28:05.140 --> 00:28:08.240
to bring that, say, consciousness or that intelligence

00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.900
into this dimension of time and space. Hence,

00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.839
he was ahead of his time, decades ahead of his

00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.279
time. People like Anita Mirjani, who had a near

00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.000
-death experience. She didn't really heal herself,

00:28:21.019 --> 00:28:24.220
so to speak. What she did was literally, you've

00:28:24.220 --> 00:28:26.920
heard of Anita Marjani, right? Yeah, I've met

00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:31.000
Anita at some ions events. Beautiful. Yeah, I'm

00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.880
part of ions too. So Anita, for example, how

00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.440
did she heal herself? So what she did was there

00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:40.359
is a version of herself, you know, that was say

00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:43.440
cancerous, right? This version of Anita had cancer.

00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.690
Now, in quantum physics, it dictates You know

00:28:47.690 --> 00:28:50.049
that there are million of possibilities of who

00:28:50.049 --> 00:28:52.890
you are. So what Anita did was literally through

00:28:52.890 --> 00:28:56.390
her near -death experience She escaped this physical

00:28:56.390 --> 00:28:59.789
realm disconnected and then when she landed back

00:28:59.789 --> 00:29:03.150
for some reason She landed into another realm

00:29:03.150 --> 00:29:06.029
where Anita didn't have cancer. So that's why

00:29:06.029 --> 00:29:09.190
I say she didn't really heal herself. She just

00:29:09.190 --> 00:29:11.890
repositioned herself in another safe frame of

00:29:11.900 --> 00:29:14.599
another dimension of time and space. And when

00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.119
you do that, this is where those miraculous healings

00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.619
happen, where doctors still document, it's like,

00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.339
how did that happen? How did that tumor just

00:29:22.339 --> 00:29:25.180
disappear? It's physically impossible for something

00:29:25.180 --> 00:29:28.740
to re -render itself in another form. But that's

00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:32.019
how Anita and many other, say, miraculous cases

00:29:32.019 --> 00:29:35.839
of healing or transformation happen. That's very

00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:39.400
difficult to understand, I have to admit. Especially

00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:42.460
if there's some sort of parallel dimension. What

00:29:42.460 --> 00:29:44.599
happens with the other one where she was still

00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.839
sick? Or is that one just gone and replaced with

00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.579
this new one? Really good question. So think

00:29:50.579 --> 00:29:55.079
of this like here, and let's just use colors.

00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.700
In this version of who you are, you're shining

00:29:58.700 --> 00:30:01.599
your light, so to speak. You're paying attention

00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.880
or your focus onto this version, which in this

00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.559
case is say, cancerous or ill or say imprisoned,

00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.819
so to speak. So in this case, this act, imagine

00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:16.140
stages of life. Okay. There's millions of different

00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:19.740
stages that you could be in. So each stage is

00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:22.619
available for you, but it doesn't mean like Miss

00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:25.819
Quantum Theorists think that You're rendering

00:30:25.819 --> 00:30:28.059
another life here. There's millions of you doing

00:30:28.059 --> 00:30:30.819
all these things. No, these are millions of possibilities

00:30:30.819 --> 00:30:33.720
or millions of stages that you can render yourself

00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.619
in. It just depends on the actor and which stage

00:30:37.619 --> 00:30:40.839
they choose. So yes, so this version is like,

00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:42.940
she's basically going, well, I'm not going to

00:30:42.940 --> 00:30:45.859
play that version anymore. I want to play this

00:30:45.859 --> 00:30:49.759
version of Anita. So this stage, basically there's

00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.680
no light cast upon her. So it just sits there

00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.740
as a possibility. And in other words, there are

00:30:55.740 --> 00:30:58.039
millions of different possibilities of who you

00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:01.359
could be. You're just casting your light or putting

00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.400
your intention, and that's what creates a motion

00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:08.160
or life here. So what I'm saying is like, well,

00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:12.799
we can disconnect from that, observe another

00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.700
possibility, and then cast our light or play

00:31:15.700 --> 00:31:19.500
the actor in another stage. It's a crazy concept,

00:31:19.539 --> 00:31:25.000
but - It is, and it's something that Sounds like

00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.079
it should be innate, but most of us don't know

00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.339
how to do that. So do you have any practical

00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:32.539
advice on how to do it? Absolutely. I call it

00:31:32.539 --> 00:31:35.720
spatial referencing and, you know, I've got programs

00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.299
and meditations. I call them hypermeditations.

00:31:38.940 --> 00:31:40.900
And by the way, we'll put a link to your website

00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:43.079
in the show notes so everybody can look this

00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.680
stuff up. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, but spatial referencing

00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:50.680
is really important. So a lot of people, they

00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.319
are creating themselves through like four ingredients,

00:31:55.099 --> 00:31:57.240
which is, you know, genetic patterns, you know,

00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.359
mom, dad, and, you know, and so on like that.

00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.940
Generational patterns, you know, the time frame

00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:04.799
that you're born, like Baby Boomers, Next Gen,

00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.740
you know, Generation Z and all that. So you're

00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:12.440
encoded with that, say, type. Societal patterns.

00:32:12.829 --> 00:32:15.470
Right the time frame that you're born in really

00:32:15.470 --> 00:32:18.309
dictates on how you render or how you see yourself

00:32:18.309 --> 00:32:21.130
and then life Experiences including some maybe

00:32:21.130 --> 00:32:24.210
past life experiences that you've had So so so

00:32:24.210 --> 00:32:27.670
those four ingredients create say an image or

00:32:27.670 --> 00:32:30.009
who you think you are, but that's not really

00:32:30.009 --> 00:32:33.009
true It's just an experience of say your parents

00:32:33.009 --> 00:32:36.490
having and there's more and more data coming

00:32:36.490 --> 00:32:39.910
out on say parents who've been in war or been

00:32:39.910 --> 00:32:42.759
in famine like four or five generations down,

00:32:43.180 --> 00:32:46.779
that child is still eliciting memories of being

00:32:46.779 --> 00:32:50.259
in famine. They have symptoms of like being in

00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:52.079
famish, although they've got plenty of food.

00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.779
So those concepts of self, those aren't really

00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:57.160
you. So when you start to spatial reference,

00:32:57.299 --> 00:32:59.859
you start to become an observer. And I know it

00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:02.140
sounds crazy, but there's so many people that

00:33:02.140 --> 00:33:04.500
have gotten off their psychotic medication, just

00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:06.960
doing spatial referencing. And what that is is

00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.640
like, you start to observe what reality you're

00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:11.670
creating yourself in. And all you have to do

00:33:11.670 --> 00:33:14.009
is like, for example, there's an image, there's

00:33:14.009 --> 00:33:16.789
a picture over there. Imagine, not to imagine,

00:33:16.910 --> 00:33:19.109
but notice the picture and notice a point on

00:33:19.109 --> 00:33:22.410
your body, like your chin or your collarbone.

00:33:22.690 --> 00:33:25.390
Notice sounds coming around from you. Notice

00:33:25.390 --> 00:33:27.589
the direction of the sound and then a point on

00:33:27.589 --> 00:33:31.750
your body. Notice scents around you. Notice the,

00:33:31.750 --> 00:33:33.950
again, the direction and then a point on your

00:33:33.950 --> 00:33:37.660
body. It's like triangulation. So you use your

00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:41.839
five senses to like hone in to know exactly what

00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.119
dimension of time and space you're in. It sounds

00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:48.480
crazy, but people feel really, especially people

00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.940
who have ADD anxiety and so on. Once they stabilize,

00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.819
once they use spatial referencing, they literally

00:33:54.819 --> 00:33:57.960
start to go, gosh, I'm really calm. Because that's

00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.940
what most people don't understand that it's not

00:34:00.940 --> 00:34:03.559
their mindset. like Tony Robbins and all those

00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.259
fantastic people teach that dictate how your

00:34:06.259 --> 00:34:09.139
life runs. It literally is the dimension of time

00:34:09.139 --> 00:34:11.539
and space that you're rendering yourself through

00:34:11.539 --> 00:34:14.840
that creates, say, the quality. If you just did

00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.719
that, the object first and then a point on your

00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.139
body. Just do that throughout the day. You'll

00:34:20.139 --> 00:34:23.260
see how centered you become. You become the observer

00:34:23.260 --> 00:34:26.980
of how you're running life. All right. Good place

00:34:26.980 --> 00:34:30.159
to start. Before I let you go. I'm going to give

00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:33.659
you the last word and I'm going to ask you to

00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:38.139
do something difficult for me. That is, you mentioned

00:34:38.139 --> 00:34:42.079
a couple of times the love that you felt during

00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.440
these NDEs. You also said you couldn't explain

00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.260
it really, but I'm going to ask you to try again.

00:34:47.739 --> 00:34:50.719
Try to dig deep into your adjectives and see

00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:52.820
if there's any way that you can explain it so

00:34:52.820 --> 00:34:56.800
that we can really feel it. Okay. Maybe I can

00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.960
help generate this, if you don't mind. If you

00:34:59.960 --> 00:35:02.159
could just take a couple of minutes and maybe

00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.900
I could pull you into that experience. Is that

00:35:04.900 --> 00:35:09.000
okay with you? Yes, please. Okay. So take your

00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.340
breath in. And this is your audience, even if

00:35:12.340 --> 00:35:14.300
this is on a recording, I'm sure you'll feel

00:35:14.300 --> 00:35:22.940
it. Another breath in. Okay. Most love. is objective.

00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.440
It's most love is seen from an external point

00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:32.960
directing towards you. Okay, so breathe in. Let

00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:39.480
me help you expand. The love I felt was not a

00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.679
source outside of me, but after you remove those

00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:47.079
filters, you start to experience the love flowing

00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:51.210
from you. And that's the difference. once it

00:35:51.210 --> 00:35:54.829
starts to flow from you, you know that it's never

00:35:54.829 --> 00:35:57.809
ending. You know that there's no consequences.

00:35:58.369 --> 00:36:00.670
It's not like if you did something wrong, it

00:36:00.670 --> 00:36:04.389
shuts off because the source is you. So it flows

00:36:04.389 --> 00:36:06.949
through you and that's what you resonate or you

00:36:06.949 --> 00:36:11.730
emanate with. Breathe in again. And once you

00:36:11.730 --> 00:36:15.809
feel that love, this is where you know that you're

00:36:15.809 --> 00:36:19.429
guided. You know that there is a higher presence

00:36:19.550 --> 00:36:21.929
your higher self, however you want to define

00:36:21.929 --> 00:36:26.610
it, doesn't matter, is got your back. And as

00:36:26.610 --> 00:36:30.550
you understand that you're secure, this is where

00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:36.550
you can start to live life in the most expansive

00:36:36.550 --> 00:36:39.849
way. And this is how it just doesn't help heal

00:36:39.849 --> 00:36:42.750
you and help you become better, but it also helps

00:36:42.750 --> 00:36:46.530
you understand who you are at such a deep level

00:36:46.530 --> 00:36:50.019
that that presence allows you to expand into

00:36:50.019 --> 00:36:52.820
other people, the loved ones around you in society

00:36:52.820 --> 00:36:55.699
as a whole. And this is where Earth can change

00:36:55.699 --> 00:36:59.079
dramatically. This is where our leaders, being

00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.320
in that state, can radically change without corruption

00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.880
or distortion or abuse or control. That's what's

00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.440
really, really important. I don't know if you

00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:13.000
felt anything, but... I feel very calm and peaceful.

00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:16.699
Yeah. So if you perpetuated that, that's just

00:37:16.699 --> 00:37:18.949
the initiation. All right. What if you could

00:37:18.949 --> 00:37:21.889
just stay in that presence of yourself, not me,

00:37:21.969 --> 00:37:23.909
but of yourself, cause it's your higher self

00:37:23.909 --> 00:37:26.710
I helped invite in and the people listening.

00:37:27.210 --> 00:37:29.230
What if you could stay in that in 20, you know,

00:37:29.289 --> 00:37:31.869
24 seven, what kind of life would that happen

00:37:31.869 --> 00:37:34.369
to you where you just had that calm and peace

00:37:34.369 --> 00:37:37.309
knowing that you're happy and you're safe and

00:37:37.309 --> 00:37:41.190
you know, you're loved at a deep level. I can

00:37:41.190 --> 00:37:44.130
deal with that. Yeah. It's beautiful space, isn't

00:37:44.130 --> 00:37:47.309
it? Yeah. Thanks a lot, Mas. I appreciate it.

00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:51.130
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00:37:51.130 --> 00:37:53.730
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