"When You Hear God, There's No Confusion" - Steven's Shared NDE

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death where we

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have conversations with people who have died,

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experienced a glimpse of the other side, and

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return to talk about it. What can we learn from

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these experiences? How can a belief in the afterlife

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provide hope for your life right now? In this

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episode, imagine having a heart attack, seeing

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the light, and fighting to stay here. What did

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Stephen learn and how did it focus his life on

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his true mission? It's all coming up next. I'd

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like to welcome to the show today Stephen LaRusso

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coming to us from the Reno area. How are you

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Stephen? I'm good Eric. Thank you. Appreciate

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it. Thanks for having me. Well, thank you. We've

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been communicating for a while. I'm so happy

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to finally have you on the show and to hear your

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whole story. And I'm just going to give people

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kind of a heads up. This one's going to be unusual.

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I shouldn't say that because I say that all the

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time, which makes them usual. But we don't very

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often talk about something that would be known

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as a shared near death experience. We've talked

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about shared death. We've talked about near -death

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experiences all the time. Combining the two is

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going to be kind of fun. So that's the direction

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we're going to go today. But before we jump into

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it, Stephen, if you wouldn't mind, just tell

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us a little bit about you so we can get to know

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you. Yes. Well, thank you, Eric. My name is Steve

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LaRusso. I'm a what they call a master spiritual

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coach. I like to call myself a conscious coach.

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And my story is pretty basic up until a few years

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ago, you know, honestly. I spent a big deal of

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my life working in the manufacturing field. I

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worked for Toyota and GM for about 14 years in

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Northern California. Married, have a son, you

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know, dabbled in some real estate and whatnot

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and having residential properties and then commercial

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real estate. Moved to the Reno area not too long

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ago to be closer to family. My wife and I and

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son did a stint in Dallas for about seven or

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eight years, but we're originally from the California

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Bay area. So we're back closer to family here

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in Reno. And like I said, up until about four

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or five years ago, that's when things really

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started to get turned upside down for me. Give

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us a little idea of what was going on with your

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health that led up to this event. Well, it's

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funny because there was nothing is going. on

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with my health leading up to the near -death

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experience. I had never had any chest pains,

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you know, because that's what happened during

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my NDE. It was an onslaught of a heart attack.

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I had never had any prior symptoms of a heart

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attack or pain like that, and I haven't had any

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since. So I know that this event was purely a

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spiritual event, not a medical or physical one.

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Wow. And you're not old enough to have a heart

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attack anyway. Well, I'm 54. So I mean, I guess

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I qualify Okay So how long ago was this and and

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just jump in with what happened to you? This

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was in October of 2024 so Basically make long

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story short, you know with a lot of NDE's from

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my experience What I've researched and know is

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that a lot of NDE's start a spiritual awakening

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and they start the onslaught of a shift in consciousness.

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Mine was a little different. I had already gone

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through a spiritual awakening, what they call

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dark night of the soul and whatnot, and made

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that shift. My NDE was basically brought on through

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limiting myself, fear. After I got my certificate

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to become a master spiritual coach and studied

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quantum physics and people like Dolores Cannon

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and Brian Wise and Michael Dudin and spiritual

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leaders and whatnot, I was basically told, okay,

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Steve, it's time for you to get out there and...

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do what you're supposed to do. You can't hide

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behind a computer and a book shirt the rest of

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your life. It's time. You know, a lot of times

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we don't step into our calling. We have fear.

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So I start to have fear and doubt and wondering,

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can I do it? And it seems like a big burden.

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And how do I navigate this? My wife and I, let's

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skip forward, my wife and I took a trip to Tahoe

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to kind of reconnect spiritually, go to the beach,

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do some grounding, meditation, whatnot. It started

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in our hotel room. It was about seven or so,

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eight at night. We were talking, we were coherent,

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we weren't asleep. It wasn't middle of the night

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type thing. The TV was playing in the background.

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I was laying on my back on the bed. She was standing

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near the bed. That's when I began to get severe

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pain, sharpshooting pain right here on the side

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of my neck, going down through my arm and going

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into my chest. My breathing started to pick up.

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My heart... I could feel it like it was going

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to pound through my chest or explode. I was beginning

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to have problems breathing and whatnot. So I

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turned to my wife at this time and told her that

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I'm having a heart attack. I think I'm dying.

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And her response threw me off guard because she

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was standing there. And she began to lay on the

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bed next to me on her back. So in my mind, I'm

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thinking. Why doesn't she call a 9 -1 -1 or why

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does she call them the paramedics? She just she

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didn't behave Like I thought anybody would in

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this situation later on after the event We talked

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we kind of put the piece of the puzzle together

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and it made sense. So I'm laying on the bed She's

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laying on the bed holding my or holding each

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other's arms hands were interlocked like this

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You know with a fist clutching each other like

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this the pain intensifies. I start to black out

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I go into complete blackness that blackness transcends

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into space and stars and in the distance I'm

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seeing a white light and you know I like I said

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I'd already been through my transformation I

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did a lot of study and a lot of reading on near

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-death experiences so I was familiar with what

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this was just because I was immersed in it so

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as this white light is approaching getting closer

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the first time I heard the voice in my head which

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was which was God was it's saying you've wasted

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enough time and I'm telling you when you when

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you when you know, you're calling a purpose and

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you hear God the universe the light the creator

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However, you define it source say that to you.

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You really you really start evaluating yourself

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So I begin praying to God asking for another

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chance, you know, God, please don't do this.

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I'm gonna fulfill it. I mean really Begging for

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my life. I can hear my wife. Here's here's the

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crazy part But you know logic doesn't apply when

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you're talking about the spirit realm and how

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it operates. It doesn't you know our logic can't

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comprehend these things. I start hearing her

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voice in my head telepathically. I can hear her

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talking to me, and I'm talking to her. She can

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hear me praying in my head to God. Like I said,

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I was out in space. I was in pain. I was convulsing.

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I was trembling. So I'm praying to God. I'm constantly

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going closer to the light. As I go closer to

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the light, I can feel my life force being drained.

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I can feel my soul weakening. I can feel myself

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Pulling away from this reality. Okay dying basically

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I have some interactions with God begging me

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begging basically There was one point where God

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said to me all this wisdom that I've given you

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and this is what you're doing with it which was

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actually nothing because I was running from my

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calling we had we had that exchange I I was getting

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closer. My wife had later told me after we talked

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about it that she too was in space She felt herself

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transcending. She was in darkness in space. Also.

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She said I didn't see the light but she said

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I was there with you. I was actually there experiencing

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it with you. And I know that doesn't make sense,

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but a lot of things in the spirit realm don't,

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believe me. So we're talking everything. We're

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communicating telepathically. I'm begging God,

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continuously approaching the light getting weaker.

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There was a point where I said, okay, I'm just

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gonna give up. I'm just gonna give in. Maybe

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it's my time. So I basically told myself, okay,

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let me just release. As soon as I told myself...

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that in my head. My wife says to me telepathically,

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Steve, don't give up. Keep fighting. Fight, fight,

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fight. Don't give up. That gave me a second wind.

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It continued. I have no idea how long this went

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on. Time is not a concept or a reality in the

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spirit realm, not the way we look at it. Towards

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the end, as I'm on the brink of the white light,

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I literally feel like I'm 90 % gone. I say this

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and I don't even know why I said it. It doesn't

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even make sense. But I said, Wanda, help me.

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my wife. I said, Wanda, help me. At that moment,

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she sat up in the bed. Now at this point, this

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was audible. She starts speaking in tongues or

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light language. We have a Christian background.

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They used to call it tongues, light language.

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So I vaguely hear this, and it didn't surprise

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me because I've heard her do that a couple of

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times in the past. So as I'm still in the spirit

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realm, begging for my life for God, God says

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to me, Stephen, in my head says, Stephen, be

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quiet. and listen to your wife. He wanted me,

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what I realized afterwards, that he wanted me

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to be witness to what was about to happen. So

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instantly then, I got some awareness back, I

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got some calm back, and I looked over to the

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right. And at that moment, she started speaking

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in other languages. She spoke in two African

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languages, and then she spoke in an Indian language.

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Now, you know, I don't know how to speak Italian.

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or Spanish, but you know it when you hear it.

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So I knew what the languages were, but I obviously

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didn't decipher. I assumed it was praying, obviously,

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considering the situation. As she starts to speak

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in these other languages, that's when my awareness

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is brought back. That's when I'm brought back

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from the spirit realm and encountering the light

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and being in that state, and I'm brought back

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into the physical. That's when I got up, did

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a bunch of pacing. I looked over at my wife.

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She was there with this daze on her face, like

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she was asleep with her eyes open, just like...

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So I didn't want to say anything to her. I didn't

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know what she was going through I I I tried to

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remain calm and afterwards when she snapped out

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of it She didn't remember that she spoke in these

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languages. She didn't remember it first It took

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it it took it a while for her to be able to recollect

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it to figure it out And I asked her what I said,

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what were you saying? She says I have no idea

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what I was saying I don't speak those languages.

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She said it wasn't even me talking. It wasn't

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me I was like I was taken over by the spirit

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or God. It wasn't me so I'm still, you know,

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because it wasn't that long ago. I'm still processing

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it and I'm still dealing with it. But yeah, that

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was my experience in a nutshell. Okay. Let's

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dig into some of this. If you don't mind, I love

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to ask questions and just learn more that way.

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I'm not sure where to jump in, except, well,

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one of the first things that came to mind as

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you were telling this is going to the light.

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It seems like that's very common and almost a

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cliche kind of thing. But actually, I mean, I've

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interviewed hundreds of people and it's not as

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common as you would think. It happens. It's certainly

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not even half of NDEs, not even close. I don't

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know what the percentage is. And most people

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feel so drawn to it. that I think it's interesting

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and unusual that you felt almost like, no, no,

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no, no, no, I don't want to go. I don't want

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to die yet. That kind of thing. Is that how you

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were feeling? And can you explain that a little

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more? Yes. The reason behind that wasn't because,

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you know, I was scared of death or any way or

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what's going to happen after this trend, you

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know, we transcend this lifetime, nothing like

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that. For me, it was the the notion of not completing.

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What i'm supposed to do here. That's why I didn't

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I didn't I wasn't ready to die knowing now what

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my mission was and what i'm supposed to do and

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I wasn't ready to leave for that reason not because

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I was Scared of death or any anything like that.

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So for me it was okay. This near -death experience

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is about me Running from my path purpose my calling

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what I chose or what I chose to do before I came

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here or what? God assigned me however, we look

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at it and for me it was like I didn't want to

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live with myself if this makes sense. This was

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my thought. I didn't want to live with myself

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knowing that I hadn't completed that and go back

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to the spirit realm and have to face whatever.

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I knew I had to stay here and try to finish this

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or do what I'm supposed to do. So you were taught

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a very clear lesson and given a very clear mission

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that you sort of already knew, right? and it

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was, hey, go back and do what you've already

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been told what to do kind of thing. Everybody

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has something to learn from their NDE's. These

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aren't just for entertainment purposes. Yours

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was super clear, it sounds like. I want to learn

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a little bit more about your interaction with

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this voice. Was it difficult to know immediately

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that this was God talking or was it so clear

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you're not mistaken? hear God talk, I'll speak

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for me. There's no confusion or distortion. So

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for me, it was crystal clear that it was God,

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and it was crystal clear why I was going through

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it. Yeah, I had someone ask me an interesting

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question once, and I love interesting questions

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because I love to challenge myself. I believe

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anything and everything is possible, and I believe

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that we have to stay unlimited in order to connect

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to an unlimited realm and source. He asked me,

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he said, well, do you think that was your higher

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self speaking to you, expressing guilt for not

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doing or getting off track of what you're supposed

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to do? And I never thought about that. And I

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said, well, actually, no. And the reason why

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is because not only did I hear the voice, my

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wife heard the voice. My wife and I spoke telepathically.

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My wife spoke in different languages. My higher

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self can't accomplish those things. Those were

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acts of God, not my higher self. So for those

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reasons... It's a good question, I told him,

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but it wasn't my higher self because of those

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reasons, those events that happened. I agree

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with you on that. And God didn't have to do some

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kind of introduction. Hey Steve. No. This is

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God. Right. And I'm sorry, I don't mean to make,

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I don't mean to make light of it, but... No.

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But when God, when I heard God in my, telepathically

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or in my head, however you want to describe it,

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heard my wife also and you know Eric this is

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not something easy to explain it's not something

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to go through every day but I can you could tell

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who's who and you just know and I completely

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agree with you that that wasn't just you or some

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kind of higher self of you was there anything

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else that he said or communicated think of detail

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here here here's what here's exactly what happened

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he said he said three things to me And he said

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two things to my wife Okay, one of which I left

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out. There's a lot to the story But the first

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thing he said to me when it on the onslaught

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he said you've wasted too. You've wasted enough

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time That's what he said That's what I heard.

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You've wasted enough time later on. I don't know

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I have no idea how long this ordeal went on.

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Like I said, he said all this information You've

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been given and this is what you do with it And

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and and I have it, you know a lot of information

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all this the spiritual text and studying quantum

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physics and you know You're getting my certificates

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to be a master coach and learning the universal

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laws of oneness and Bob all that stuff You're

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basically saying you've got information that

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a lot of people are privy to and this is what

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you're doing with it which was actually nothing

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the third time is when he told me Stephen be

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quiet and Listen to your wife when when she began

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speaking in the languages and tongues and whatnot.

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So those were the three times I heard his voice.

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My wife heard the voice twice. Once where she

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was told to lay down and get in position because

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if she wasn't told that and God didn't have her

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under a calm to be able to lay down and go get

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into the position for the event to experience

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this, she would have been on the phone with 911.

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Paramedics would have been there in two or three

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minutes and that would have interrupted the event.

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So that's what I learned later on was the purpose

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of that. God didn't want this event interrupted

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by her calling 9 -1 -1 So he told her to lay

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down the second time. There was a point during

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this Where God said to her and it's interesting.

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Here's the interesting thing. I Could hear my

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wife telepathically. I could hear God telepathically,

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but my wife Wasn't allowed to hear what God was

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saying to me and I couldn't hear what God was

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saying with her what was said to her By God was

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for her. I never heard it what god said to me

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my wife didn't hear it if that that makes sense,

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so God said to her one lay down get in position

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and two there was a time During it where he said

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to her and why should I leave you here? And she

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said once again telepathically she said jordan,

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which is our son You know, and she said that

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she said those are only two times. I heard the

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voice during during the uh event Want to know

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what you were feeling what kind of emotions were

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going through you as you're hearing this? Hearing

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you mean my wife speak or the voice or God's

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God's voice hearing hearing God speak to you.

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What did it make you feel I felt I actually That's

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a good question. I actually felt disappointed

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in myself. It wasn't a thing or where God was

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judging or God was disappointed and you better

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do this or else My disappointment was in myself

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for doubting everything I had been through, kind

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of like my spiritual awakening, my dark night

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of the soul, doubting my purpose and letting

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that fear and that that limitation creep in,

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which keeps so many people disconnected from

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who they are and their purpose. Am I good enough?

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What do I know? What are people worried about?

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What people are going to think worried about?

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This is too much of a burden. All right. There's

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no way I can do this. Convince talking myself

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out of it. And God wanted to show that you are

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supported. This is your calling to me. I'm putting

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you through this so you can know and understand

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this. I didn't feel forced. It wasn't a do it

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or else. You're going to hell or you better do

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it or else. You are supported. You are enough.

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I'm giving you this to get over those limited

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feelings, thoughts, and emotions and perspectives

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that are keeping you trapped. How you choose

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to go on and do from here is still up to you,

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basically. Most people, when they have an experience

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with God in this realm, feel an intense love.

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Love that they just really have a hard time explaining

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Your sounds like you had a little bit of a different

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kind of experience When he's pointing out these

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things that you should have been doing Were you

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feeling some kind of guilt shame or was it in

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such a loving way? That it came through a lot

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better than maybe a parent putting you down for

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making a mistake You know what? I I got some

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Answered this question before and I got a little

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flack off of this answer But you know, I'm gonna

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describe this the best way I can just be honest.

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Don't be honest. Don't worry about flat No, no,

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no, right. No, everybody goes through their experience

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for their reason for their path of purpose what

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they need to realize what they need to come into

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maybe something they need to transcend loops

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we need to break things we need to learn so for

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me and I'll say this real quick About six or

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seven months prior. I had an out -of -body experience.

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It wasn't a near -death experience It wasn't

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a dream was out -of -body experience where I

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saw I was in the light, but it was totally different

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That's why I felt the euphoria the love the love

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was so intense. It was so strong And it had me

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in in the fetal position crying Like it was the

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end of the world or something. I mean, you know

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and and when I went through that It was so intense

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I had to ask god to ease up on it because I couldn't

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take it and as soon as I said that it subsided.

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So I went through that feeling before, prior

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to the NDE. During this NDE, I didn't feel any

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of that again. I didn't feel, and I kind of said

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it the way, but I have to explain it. I didn't

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feel that love. I felt it at a different time.

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This wasn't about feeling God's love. For me,

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it was about getting over limited thoughts, perceptions,

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and beliefs that I had that was keeping me from

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stepping into my purpose. So it was it was I'll

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describe it kind of like I have this funny little

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thing. I describe it as a spiritual spanking

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You know what I mean? And god's saying look you

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are enough. You are supported like we all are

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there's nothing special about me We're all enough

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and we're all supported for whatever we're here

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to do So I I took it as a parent Coming in the

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room like a father. I love you, but you need

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this Just when I think i've heard it all you

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say spiritual spanking Right. Come on That's

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what it felt like. That's what it felt like.

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That's awesome. All right. You've had time to

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think about this. It's been what roughly a year

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and a half since this happened. I don't totally

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understand the whole speaking in different languages.

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Why do you think your wife was doing that? How

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and why? How was obviously a God. the universe

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that that that that that allowed her to it or

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put that spirit into it to allow her now the

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why I've wondered about that and Here's here's

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my thought on that because I always I'm a logical

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thinker. I Believe that when he told me Stephen

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be quiet and listen to your wife That's when

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it happened to me. I feel that he wanted to give

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some proof that this Event this situation is

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real I was given all my awareness back as soon

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as he said, Steven, be quiet, listen to your

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wife. I was able to focus on her and I guess

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he wanted me to hear that so I wouldn't doubt

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it. Cause you know, a lot of people have NDEs,

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outer body experience or experiences, astral

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projections, and they doubt it. Oh, maybe, maybe

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I was a dream. Maybe I was hallucinating. Oh,

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that couldn't be real. For me, he wanted to leave

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no doubt. That's what I was thinking. So that

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was how you knew that. Did you have any understanding

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of what she was saying? No, no, because like

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I said, my wife and I have been married 25 years.

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The only language we know is English. So how

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she was able to speak in two African languages

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and speak in an Indian language, we know it wasn't

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her, because she doesn't have that ability. Only

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thing I can assume, because neither one of us

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knew what she was saying, is that she was praying.

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Now, what the exact words were, I don't know,

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but I assume it was definitely some kind of prayer,

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because she was speaking and she also did some

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chanting also. Did you hear about this speaking

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in tongues from time to time? And just me personally,

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and you were talking about blowback a minute

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ago, I'm going to get some right now. It doesn't

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make sense to me that someone would speak in

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tongues if someone else can't interpret what

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is being said. Right. Right. I don't see the

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point unless that half of the equation happens.

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Anyway, but I'm not I'm not disparaging in any

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way shape or form what happened This is just

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me personally something I don't get and and that's

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okay Well, you know, I'll say this real quick

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quote unquote the question the Christian definition

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or reason for this and I'm not saying it's true

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I'm just just saying what they say because I

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was in the Christian church pretty heavily Speaking

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in tongues is is quote unquote allowed by God

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So that the devil Doesn't hear your prayers now.

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That's not something I believe That's that's

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the christian way of thinking if you believe

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that fine. That's just not my personal belief.

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I I believe For this incident and I don't know

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if it's every that she was allowed to To do this

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to kind of showed me that this is not her this

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is of god and this is real You know, especially

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not so much the tongues, but especially the speaking

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in other languages. You know what I mean? So

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like I tell my clients Sometimes we can't figure

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out there's all these mysteries and theories

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and principles Spiritual principles that we all

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argue and debate over try to figure out and some

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things we just have to be okay with the unknown

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Sometimes I realize we don't have answers for

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everything necessarily. We have theories and

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thoughts and beliefs Yeah, it's part of living

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by faith. We don't get all the answers. It's

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okay. No, no All right. Let's shift gears You

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mentioned quantum physics early on I want to

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hear how this all fits in with quantum physics

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Well, you know, it's it's just the it's just

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for me is studying the fact how science is starting

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to catch up with spirituality and principles

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and theories that used to be looked at as impossible

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and go against the law of physics or gravity

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or or or whatnot that are just Becoming real

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the fact that everything is connected the fact

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that everything You know, you can separate two

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molecules and do something to one and it affects

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the other after they've been separated. Stuff

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like that. And the biggest thing to me about

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it is showing the connectivity that every living

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thing has in how it's connected. How water, when

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they play certain music for water, it makes these

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beautiful patterns, the vibrations, you know,

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bring out the best of the water, high vibrational

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feelings and emotions out the water. And when

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you play something dreadful, or consider a lower

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vibration frequency, the water splits and becomes

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ugly and disformed. So, you know, those little

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things right there that they're starting to see

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that scientific evidence of, science is catching

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up to spiritual theories that were known to philosophers

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thousands of years ago. What else did you learn

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from all of this? You know, learning that we're

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not separate. Learning how limited beliefs and

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perceptions keep us hindered keep us keep us

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blocked realizing that For me for 50 years I

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was under a false identity of thinking some thinking

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I was someone that I wasn't in Realizing it wasn't

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me doing it for all the wrong reasons We go with

00:26:17.950 --> 00:26:19.630
the programming and the constructs because we

00:26:19.630 --> 00:26:21.630
don't want to be looked at as different or crazy

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or wrong Or be judged and we need people's approval

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all of these things that keep up static And they

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block and hinder our ability to connect and get

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all these answers that everybody everybody wants

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And a lot of people are doing thing doing thing

00:26:35.819 --> 00:26:38.519
consciously and especially unconsciously That

00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.420
they don't even realize Is hindering their connection

00:26:41.420 --> 00:26:43.799
a lot of people look for all these outside sources

00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.180
in order to connect and get aligned and get it

00:26:46.180 --> 00:26:48.680
tuned I'm going to go i'm going to go to a yoga

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class. I'm going to go earthing I'm going to

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look at the stars. I'm going to go to a sound

00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.079
bath All that stuff is great and I do it all

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but until you deal with The external thoughts

00:26:59.299 --> 00:27:02.000
feelings emotions perceptions and limited beliefs

00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.880
that are hindering you You can go into a crystal

00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.279
shop and buy every crystal but you're still gonna

00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.259
have that static when it comes to Connect and

00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:13.119
get in tune and get get a line with one your

00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.180
authenticity and who you are And I believe that's

00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:16.819
a big reason why people can't connect to the

00:27:16.819 --> 00:27:19.380
universe because you're not truly connected to

00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:23.440
yourself first Did your NDE change how much fear

00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:28.220
of death you have? No It didn't it didn't and

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the main reason or the main thing that I got

00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.440
out of the NDE and the main thing that Changed

00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:37.019
about me was the limited beliefs Fear that I'm

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not enough Fear that you know, I won't be listened

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to or taken serious or fear about what people

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think It doesn't matter and I had to realize

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for a long time after the NDE. I was very ultra

00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.559
serious I wouldn't have fun. Everything was business.

00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:53.519
Okay, I got to do this. I was really tense. Okay

00:27:53.690 --> 00:27:55.970
You know, I got to do blah blah blah. And then

00:27:55.970 --> 00:27:59.250
God told me no Steve. This is have fun Relax,

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don't worry about trying to save everybody. Don't

00:28:01.910 --> 00:28:04.490
worry about trying to say the right things Be

00:28:04.490 --> 00:28:06.170
within your authenticity those who are meant

00:28:06.170 --> 00:28:08.289
to resonate with it and get it They will those

00:28:08.289 --> 00:28:10.730
that weren't aren't it's okay. They may resonate

00:28:10.730 --> 00:28:13.130
with someone else's message They may not be able

00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:15.910
to resonate with this message at all And so for

00:28:15.910 --> 00:28:18.789
me it was learning that you are enough which

00:28:18.789 --> 00:28:21.029
we are all are and we're all supported which

00:28:21.029 --> 00:28:23.650
we all are We all have a mission and purpose,

00:28:23.710 --> 00:28:27.630
which we all do, and no mission or purpose is

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bigger, better, or more significant than the

00:28:29.910 --> 00:28:31.710
other, even though it may look like that to us,

00:28:31.710 --> 00:28:33.710
because that's how we perceive things. It all

00:28:33.710 --> 00:28:35.549
has a place within the collective, within the

00:28:35.549 --> 00:28:38.470
universe. That was very well said. Thank you.

00:28:38.809 --> 00:28:40.589
If anybody wants to get a hold of you, how do

00:28:40.589 --> 00:28:43.289
they do that? Yes, they can get a hold of me

00:28:43.289 --> 00:28:46.670
through my website, spiritualalignmentsl .com.

00:28:46.730 --> 00:28:49.009
So spiritual alignment is in my initials, sl

00:28:49.009 --> 00:28:52.940
.com. You can see some more about my story, read

00:28:52.940 --> 00:28:55.119
more about what I do and how I help people and

00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.480
how I work with people, and send me an email

00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.839
if it resonates with you. I'd love to talk to

00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.160
you. All right. And the last thing, and that

00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.740
is we love to leave people with some kind of

00:29:05.740 --> 00:29:08.579
message of hope here. And you've learned a lot

00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:11.359
from all of this, I can tell, and it's changed

00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.380
your life. And for someone else that maybe is

00:29:14.380 --> 00:29:17.839
struggling with that, or struggling with, you

00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.259
know, feeling some kind of loss or grief or something

00:29:20.259 --> 00:29:23.059
else at this point in their life. What kind of

00:29:23.059 --> 00:29:26.140
message of hope do you have for them? Well, anybody

00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:30.759
that's feeling lost or unfulfilled or maybe having

00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.779
grief for whatever reason, it's important to

00:29:33.779 --> 00:29:38.400
understand that you are enough. You have a purpose.

00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:41.279
No matter how small or insignificant you may

00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.880
think your life or situations are, they matter.

00:29:44.109 --> 00:29:46.650
But if you're feeling lost and unfulfilled, especially,

00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:48.769
and you're hearing that voice that something's

00:29:48.769 --> 00:29:51.990
not right, don't doubt it. Don't ignore it. That's

00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:54.210
your soul knocking on the door. Give yourself

00:29:54.210 --> 00:29:56.829
permission to get out of that box that we are

00:29:56.829 --> 00:30:01.450
often put in by society, by religion, by friends,

00:30:01.569 --> 00:30:05.130
by family, by parents that form us into who we

00:30:05.130 --> 00:30:08.130
are. Challenge your perspective. Stay unlimited.

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Listen. Learn. Don't ever think you have it all

00:30:12.170 --> 00:30:14.079
figured out. Don't believe everything you think

00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:16.700
and realize that it's okay to let go of this

00:30:16.700 --> 00:30:19.099
version of who you are Don't fear letting go

00:30:19.099 --> 00:30:21.660
because if you let that go That's when the universe

00:30:21.660 --> 00:30:24.460
can open up and give you and that's when you

00:30:24.460 --> 00:30:26.900
can receive what's meant for you and be mindful

00:30:26.900 --> 00:30:29.180
You're gonna lose some people. You're gonna lose

00:30:29.180 --> 00:30:31.779
some relationships. Some things are gonna change

00:30:31.779 --> 00:30:35.619
be Okay with releasing it because if those relationships

00:30:35.619 --> 00:30:39.279
and those people Fall to the wayside. They weren't

00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:41.700
meant to go with you and be a part of your new

00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:43.750
vibration in your new life, because everybody's

00:30:43.750 --> 00:30:47.390
not going to respect your newfound authenticity

00:30:47.390 --> 00:30:50.170
or your newfound boundaries. So it's important

00:30:50.170 --> 00:30:53.289
to realize all that and be conscious of all that.

00:30:53.470 --> 00:30:55.309
And that was a lot of things that I wish that

00:30:55.309 --> 00:30:57.109
I knew when I was going through this transformation

00:30:57.109 --> 00:31:00.109
and shift. Stephen, thank you. I appreciate you

00:31:00.109 --> 00:31:03.210
opening up and being so frank and candid with

00:31:03.210 --> 00:31:05.470
us and the things we've been able to learn from

00:31:05.470 --> 00:31:08.589
you. Appreciate your time. Thank you, Eric. I

00:31:08.589 --> 00:31:12.380
appreciate it. Thanks again for listening and

00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:14.759
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