Randy Sees Hell, Twice. Then Saved By Jesus.

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From the time that they pronounced me dead was

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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped and

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I could see people screaming and crying but I

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didn't realize that was actually my physical

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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing

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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute

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love and peace there wasn't anything else to

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be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in

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the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe

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and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip

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Death, everybody. And a very warm welcome to

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our guest today, Randy Dron. How are you doing,

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Randy? Very good. Thank you for having me. Good

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morning. Good morning. It's good to see you.

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It is pretty early on a nice warm summer morning.

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Would you, just before we jump into your couple

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of near -death experiences, give us a little

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idea of who Randy is? Take a minute, tell us

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about you. Well, I'm happily remarried and I

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have a few children. Maybe you can tell behind

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me, I'm a proud Navy veteran that served during

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the desert storm. I'm also the dad of a couple

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beautiful weenie dogs. All right. Well, that

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is awesome, and we thank you for that. And you

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live in the Houston area. We were just talking

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about how hot it gets there, oh man. Brutally

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hot, and July and August will be torture. Well,

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now and then on this show we talk about hellish

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experiences, and I'm not saying that's where

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you live, but maybe the temperature compares,

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I don't know. Yeah, well, no comparison. No,

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all right. Hey, let's get right into it. Let's

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go back in time to when you were just about 12

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years old and you'd gotten very sick. What was

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going on with your health and what led up to

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your NDE? At first, my health was fine, but it

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was Christmas time. Me and some church friends

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and school friends, we decided to go Christmas

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caroling at winter time. And this was a long

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time ago. So if this tells you anything, it's

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back in the day where a bunch of kids could pile

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up in the back of a pickup truck and go to house

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to house. So that tells you how long ago it was.

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And without helmets on? No helmets. We would

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hop in and out and we would go knock on doors.

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And it was extremely cold that night. We were

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out for a few hours. For some reason, I don't

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know what got into me, maybe me just being a

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careless... child, I didn't bring a coat with

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me. I think all the other kids were bundled up,

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but I didn't have one. So after the Christmas

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caroling, there was a little Christmas party

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afterwards and everything was still fine. But

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unbeknownst at the time, the weather got to me.

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So I went to bed and fell asleep that night.

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In the middle of the night, I got deathly sick

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and My spirit left my body. I didn't realize

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where I was at at the time, but I was in a deep,

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dark cavern, and I was flying along in my spirit

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form. Now, mind you, I didn't have any fear,

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but I knew where I was at. And I was in my spirit,

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and I was flying along in this deep, dark valley.

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There was no source of light. It was darkness,

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but I could still see. I know that's kind of

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a contradiction. I noticed no life, no water,

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no trees. It was just a lifeless valley. Going

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along, as far as the eye could see, I just saw

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countless gel cells embedded in the rock. Just

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to back up a little bit. To kind of give you

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an idea of how how big this place was Say like

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if you're looking up in the sky and you see an

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airplane 30 40 ,000 feet in the air I would say

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that's probably how high it was and how big this

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valley mountainous region was So it's flying

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along and I saw jail cells and they had bars

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all in them I still didn't have any fear. I didn't

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see any lost souls or any fire or anything like

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that I continued to go quite a distance further,

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reached another part of this place. In my spirit,

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I could see down, embedded in the earth, there

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was this big giant black mass. It was like half

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of it was above the earth and half of it, I just

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knew it instinctively, was below the earth. I

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said, wow, this thing's like the size of a football

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field. I remember seeing it in my spirit. Then

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after that, I was back in my body and I woke

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up the next morning and I was deathly sick. I

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had to miss a few days of school. So that was

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my first experience, but at the time I didn't

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realize where I was at and God didn't really

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reveal that to me until the 90s. Wow, that's

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really unusual. What's the difference between

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that experience or you just having a regular

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dream in the middle of the night, some night?

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Well, if anybody that's had this experience,

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like the Bible says, in the body or out of the

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body, I don't know. But I was there. It was a

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real place. And how I found out later is the

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Bible talks about the valley of the shadow of

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death. There was a lady, I don't know if you've

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heard of her, called Mary Kay Baxter. I was given

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some cassette tapes in the 90s. about her experiences

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where over a period of 40 days and 40 nights,

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the Lord would appear to her, show her parts

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of heaven and parts of hell, and she described

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with her and Jesus and her spirit going along,

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walking in a valley, and Jesus and her would

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stop. Embedded in the earth were jail cells,

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and the horror of it for her was in each jail

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cell there was a lost soul. and they would talk

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to her and they would explain what brought them

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there and they would be weeping and crying and

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begging the Lord to let them out. Then she was

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taken on another night to another part of hell

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where she saw the heart of hell and she described

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a big black beating mass exactly what I saw and

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her book she described it as a baseball field.

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In my mind I described it as a football field.

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So really not much difference. The Lord revealed

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to me as an adult where I was at. But with me

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being so young, the Bible says, Yea, though I

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walk through the valley of shadow of death, I

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will feel no evil. For God art with me. For He

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is with me. So He gave me that open vision, took

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me there to prepare me for later to life. With

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all my experiences, you know, and at the end

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of the day, the Bible says, we overcome the enemy

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with the word of God and our testimony. So this

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is my testimony. So, and if people don't believe

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me, that's okay. Believe the Word of God. If

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they open up to the Lord, I'm just here to warn

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them it is a real place. The Bible does tell

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the truth. Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, because

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that's my message, you know, at the end of the

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day. I know I don't remember any of my dreams

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from when I was 12 years old, let alone last

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week. So something obviously very profound happened.

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Right. I'm curious, and you may have to just

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sort of speculate on this, but I'm curious why

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an innocent 12 year old would experience a representation

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of hell. Have you thought about that? What do

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you think the answer is? Well, you know, the

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short answer, I don't know. I have my assumptions,

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but I believe that's part of my purpose. As a

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child, he's not going to scare anybody, of course.

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As an adult, I realized with that. And I think

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it's just to show the truthfulness of the Bible.

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And I think it was maybe to help other people

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and also to show me that hell's a real place,

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because I can be really hard -headed and galactically

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stupid at times, which happened later in life.

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God's warning me. Warning, preparing. And letting

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people know that hell's a real place and heaven's

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a real place. All falls back to Jesus Christ.

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Okay. Is there anything else about that experience

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you want to share before we move on to the next

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one? No, sir. Well, then let's fast forward.

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I forget how many years ago this one was, but

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just why don't you give me a little lead up to

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it? Leading up to it. So when I got out of the

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Navy in 92, coming out of the Navy, I went and

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moved in with my adopted father and my stepmother

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just to kind of get back on my feet, back into

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civilian life. Well, a friend decided to go ahead

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and give me some drugs, which I decided to take

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a hit of acid. The effect didn't take place,

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and then I took about eight more hits of acid.

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And that was your first time, and you had that

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much? Yeah. How old did you say you were? I was

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22, and I took the first hit. I got impatient,

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so I decided to take the rest of it. That's where

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I was galactically stupid. So this time, and

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everything was fine, you know, I was enjoying

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it, enjoying the night. And then I finally went

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to sleep in my bed. And then that's when I died.

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And I was standing in my next moment of consciousness.

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I was instantly transported to hell. And I am

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standing in a pit of flames over my head. And

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this time the fear came. The fire was over my

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head. The whole cavern was filled with flames,

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and I could hear the roar of the fire louder

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than any natural flame. It was so loud that if

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your human ears were there, it would burst your

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eardrums and kill you. I was looking around,

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and I knew where I was at, and I knew what brought

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me there, and I felt regret and shame. And I

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knew my body was back up on the earth, and I

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said, I'm too late. And what I mean by that to

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people is I thought I was too late to repent

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and then regret. And I'm there in this lake of

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flame. But God in His mercy, He lovingly and

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sparingly withheld the pain, the fire, and the

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torment from me. Because if that would have happened,

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I don't think I would have been able to scream

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out and think of Him. But going back up just

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a moment, so I'm standing in this fire in this

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pit and I look across a little bit further and

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there was on another part of like a big demon.

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This demon was consumed in flames but it didn't

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consume him. I don't know if the flames hurt

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him but he was covered in flames as well. A huge

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demon, eight feet tall, ten feet tall. It was

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strange, even though he was a distance away,

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my eyes just supernaturally could like teleport,

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almost like a telescope or binoculars, how you

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can just zoom in. So my eyes locked with him

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and I felt he was some type of pit boss or something.

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That's the impression I get that was assigned

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to me. So when he saw me and I saw him and I

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was like his prey. And then right before just

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the absolute hysterical terror took over me.

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I screamed Jesus in that place. Through all the

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fire and everything, God was still there. He

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heard my cry through that fire. And as soon as

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I screamed Jesus, He put me back in my body and

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I popped up and it was morning time. So I don't

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know how long I was there. And then I would say

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for almost a week afterwards, I had like severe

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PTSD and I guess this is a little reminder. I

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could audibly hear the roar of the fire be like

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going to work or something in the morning. I

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could hear the fire in my ears again, and it

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would traumatize me. That is terrifying. Yes.

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I'm curious, did you grow up going to church?

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Is that why you thought about calling out to

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Jesus? Absolutely. So like I grew up abused,

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you know, so my adopted father, you know, growing

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up, I had a very abusive childhood. Later, I

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tried to make amends by moving into his house

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in the neighborhood. For just a sense of escape,

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this was back in the 70s, I would go, their little

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Baptist Sunday school bus would roll through

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the neighborhood. So as a sense of escape to

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get away for a few hours, I would go to Sunday

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school. That's where I first heard about Jesus

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as an eight -year -old child, you know, and I

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knew he was the Son of God. So I had always had

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a connection with Jesus. You know, the Bible

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says my people perish for lack of knowledge.

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But when I was in that place, thank God, I literally

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didn't know to call upon the name of Jesus, and

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he saved me. So that's my whole point with everything.

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I think God did this for two reasons. I think,

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you know, the Bible says in Job, God will strive

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with a man two, yet three times to turn his soul

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back from the pit. I have free will, but he foreknew

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I would be stupid at times. and he would have

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to try, you know, time after time to get my attention,

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which he finally has. So to save me and also

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to warn people that hell is a real place. If

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you don't believe me, I don't care. God told

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me I need to share that with people because if

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I have this and I keep it secret and don't tell

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anybody, that's on me. I don't want to stand

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before the judgment seat of Christ, even though

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my salvation isn't on the line. If the Lord asked

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me, it's like the man with the talents. I could

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either take these experiences and I can be a

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coward and I can bury it. Like, well, God saved

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me from it. I'm afraid what people are going

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to say. Or I could take this talent, this gift

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that God's given me and tell people. And if one

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person that listens to your program turns to

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Jesus Christ, because the Bible says, when one

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person repents, the angels in heaven rejoice

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and accept Jesus Christ as their savior. That's

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who I'm doing it for, for that person. So I just

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want to thank you for letting me maybe reach

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somebody through your program. Tell me a little

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bit about, again, I'm asking you to speculate

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on some things because I'm just trying to better

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understand. Yes, sir. The experience that you

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had when you were 12 compared to when you were

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22 were both, as you call it, hell, but they

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sounded very different. Yeah. Explain that. Why

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do you think that was? Well, I can only speculate,

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and God will give me the answers. The biggest

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difference, at 12, even though I was in a place

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of hell, there was no fear, and at that time,

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I was serving the Lord. Plus, I was a child,

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I had no fear, and I think God was preparing

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me. When I was 22, I can't debate anybody. Once

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saved, always saved. I'm not a Bible scholar.

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I don't have a theology degree. I just know.

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my experience. I chose to walk away from the

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Lord. I chose to overdose on drugs, and I almost

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paid the price. But God had mercy, and I think

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he foreknew I was going to do that, and he pulled

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me out. If I wouldn't have screamed Jesus, all

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I know is I would still be there. But God gave

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me a chance. He took me out of there, and I better

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do something with it. So yeah, it's a warning

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to let people know that hell is real. And through

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Jesus Christ, no man comes to the Father but

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through Jesus Christ. The Lord is merciful and

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wants to give us time after opportunity after

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opportunity to turn to Him. So while we're breathing,

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trust in the Lord, have a relationship with the

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Lord. I've heard a lot of distressing NDEs or

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hellish experiences, whatever we want to call

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them. The researchers say they're probably 10

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to 15 percent. of all the near -death experiences.

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For some reason, we've had quite a few on the

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show recently. I don't know why that is. I don't

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know if it's a big word of warning out there

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to everybody or just what it is. That's not for

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me to say. And everybody describes it differently

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though. Even you had two different experiences.

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The thing that stands out to me as kind of extra

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terrifying is just how loud that roar of fire

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was. Mean I can just kind of picture that in

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my mind is whoa Yeah, and it wasn't just like

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where I had a dream people have dreams of hell

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all the time But I think what anchored it in

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for me just to let God know because God's so

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smart He's like, you know, I'm gonna make sure

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you know where you're at Randy. You're gonna

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hear hell as well Deafening roar of fire. I don't

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know how to explain it and also with God In the

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supernatural realm, everything was just more

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vivid with my eyesight. And the strangest thing,

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I knew my body was back up on the earth. And

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that's when the regret and the sorrow, and I

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said to myself, I'm too late. What have I done?

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What have I done? Is it ever too late? No, as

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long as we have breath. The Bible says today

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is the day of salvation. Turn to the Lord Jesus

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Christ, because we could get hit by a bus. We

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could die in our sleep. We could fall off a ladder.

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So as long as we're breathing, trusting the Lord

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in His goodness, no man comes to the Father but

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through Jesus Christ. You mentioned that when

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you were 12, you didn't feel any fear. When you

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were 22, did you feel fear? It sounds like it.

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Fear is not the word. Hysterical terror, I would

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say, is the best I can describe it. Right on

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the edge of insanity with terror. Terrible. Terrible.

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Was there any point that you felt like you went

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to some kind of a heavenly place or felt God's

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love or was it just the fact that you woke up

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out of it? During the experience when I overdosed?

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Either one. During those two experiences? No.

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Okay, we'll talk about another experience in

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a minute that does go down that direction a little

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bit, but I just want to finish up on these before

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we move on. Physically, What happened to your

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body after the overdose? Were you just fine when

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you woke up in the morning? Did you have some

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after -effects? When I woke up and I popped up

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and it was morning time in my spirit I was like

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completely sober Clear mind clear -minded and

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in my head and when I was there, I was clear

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-minded in my head So that experiences was so

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You know, like if somebody's drunk or something

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and they have an accident, they become completely

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sober. I was completely sharp, you know, minded

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with everything. And I can remember for up to

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a week, just at the strangest times, I would

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hear at the low, the fire audibly, not in my

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head, but I could hear it. I would just kind

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of shake a little bit. And I think God just loved

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that as a remnant to prepare me. And just a subtle

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warning like, hey, Randy, yeah, that place you

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heard with that fire, yeah, it's there. Let me

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just give you a quick reminder in case you just

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try to play it off. Let me just remind you. Here's

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what I'm trying to put together in my own mind.

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Some people have these NDEs that are absolutely

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beautiful and they feel so much incredible love,

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love of God. and they come back and that guides

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them through their life. And what you're telling

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me is experiences that you had were more like

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the opposite, like I'm going to do good because

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I know how bad hell is. Me doing good or nothing,

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it's nothing about that. You know, Jesus, you

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know, talked about a lot about heaven and Jesus

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talked about hell a lot, but Jesus talked about

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hell twice as much as He did of heaven. So I

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think obviously Jesus must have done that for

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a reason. We all have a purpose. My good deeds

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is a dirty rag, so I'm not trying to earn my

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way to salvation. It's because of what Jesus

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did on the cross. His blood sacrificed for me

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that He can cleanse my sins so I can be with

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Him in heaven. And then maybe somebody listening

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to you will not take my words, but take the words

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of Jesus. trust in Jesus. The Bible says those

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that call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.

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And some people, God just has, you know, to roll

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up his sleeves and get to work to fix the stupid.

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To fix the stupid. Okay. How was the other way

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you put it earlier? Cosmically stupid? Galactically

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stupid. Galactically stupid. I love that term.

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And we all fit that from time to time. Thank

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you for all of that. We're going to go down a

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little bit different path now, and this is something

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that we don't usually get into on this show.

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We try to stick with near -death experiences,

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but from time to time talk about related experiences

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to near -death experiences, and those are categorized

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as there are shared -death experiences, out -of

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-body experiences, spiritually transformative

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experiences, and probably a few more that I just

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can't name at this point. But you had an interesting

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and very positive out -of -body experience at

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one point. This actually happened to you in church?

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It did. Would you tell us what happened that

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time? Sure. And just right before I say that,

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you know, it's funny, at least funny to me how,

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or strange how Jesus spoke of hell twice as much.

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So two to one versus, you know, the glories of

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heaven. I've had two experiences in hell and

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one of heaven. I find that kind of interesting.

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But when I was 14, I spent the night with my

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grandmother and my step -grandfather. I think

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it was out for the summer. We went to a church,

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a church service. And I remember a big auditorium,

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lots of people, lots of people. And that day,

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they had a guest speaker to give the sermon.

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Well, Big Church, so he gave his sermon, and

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I remember at the end, he started talking like,

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hey, closing up if anybody needs any type of

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prayer or anything to come forward so that he

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could pray for them. A lot of people went up,

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but when I was sitting there, not to be funny,

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but as a 14 -year -old boy, certain things that

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14 -year -old boys feel guilty about. So, you

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know, I wanted to just go up there, you know,

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confess my sins and just ask for prayer for it.

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So lots of people went up to the church, 50,

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60 people or more, and he started at the far

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end, and me and my grandfather went up also,

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and we were at the other end opposite of him.

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So they all lined up, and I noticed when the

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guest speaker went to the first person, there

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were like two bigger gentlemen, and he was doing

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something very strange. He would go up to them,

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talk to them for a second. He laid his hand on

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them, and he'd pray for a minute, and they would...

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fall backwards unconscious, and then the two

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guys behind the person would gently lay him down,

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and the women of the church, they would lay like

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a little blue blanket over him. And this just

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blew my mind, like, what? Where am I at? What

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is going on? This is just so strange. I've never

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seen anything like this. And I'm just watching

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in amazement, and one by one, without fail, he

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would lay his hands on him, pray, and they would

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just fall out unconscious. incredible 14 year

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old like what it was just so strange and funny

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to me well he kept getting closer and I kept

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just watching him more intently and my grandfather

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he was the second to the last and I'm the last

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person so he starts praying for Willie and he

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has these big thick glasses and he prays for

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him and I thought was the funniest thing his

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glasses just go flying over his head And he goes

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unconscious, still just, you know, in bewilderment

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and lay down, put a blanket on him. And just,

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oh my, he comes to me and he didn't even have

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time to pray. As soon as he put his hand on me,

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I was out. And like, in the Bible it says, in

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the body or out of the body, I do not know. I

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believe it was John. He was taken and, you know,

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shown a vision. I'm out. And the real me, I am

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standing in a white sea of light, an ocean of

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light, endless, no beginning, no end. The funny

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thing with this light though, it's kind of a

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contradiction because this light was so bright

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and so pure, it should have blinded me, it should

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have been a blinding light, but it didn't blind

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me. Not only was I in this ocean of white light

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that didn't blind me, The light was alive. I

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don't know how to explain it, but the light was

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moving and pulsating, just like pulsating with

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just unimaginable, godly energy. I was standing

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there, but I was standing in the light, but I

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wasn't standing on a floor. I was standing in

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the light and I became one with the light. I

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said, God's on the other side of that light.

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I didn't know how far God was away. I said, man,

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if I can just walk. through this light, I can

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get to the Father. I began walking in this light,

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and then as soon as I started walking, boom,

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God put my spirit back in my body. I'm paralyzed

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on the floor, but I have this perfect peace over

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me. I didn't have any control of my body. I couldn't

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open my eyes. I couldn't move, but I could hear

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the people in the church, and I'm like in this

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perfect peace soaking it in. So then eventually,

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you know, they helped me up and I get back to

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my seat. And just bewildered by the experience,

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but I don't know what everybody else saw, but

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that's what God showed me. And I can honestly

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say, I think God did that just, well, I know

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he foreknew all the trouble I was going to get

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into, all the things, just to give me a glimpse

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of hope. Say, Hey, Randy, hell's real, but so

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what? Heaven is real, too. I believe that's why

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He allowed me to experience that. You mentioned

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that you didn't know what everybody else saw.

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Did you talk to your grandfather, though, about

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his experience there? No, I was just overwhelmed

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by everything, and I hadn't talked about it for

00:27:36.569 --> 00:27:39.750
years. Like, how do you explain this to people?

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So I kept it secret. You know, I kept it to myself.

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Yeah, why do you feel like you need to share

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it now? Well, God's revealed to me that we all

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need to help bring people to Christ. We're all

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called to do that, to share the gospel and our

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testimony. Maybe just to give hope to somebody.

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Maybe there's an agnostic listening to this or

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an atheist or somebody that doesn't know the

00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:09.220
Lord, a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Muslim. And

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I would just say, trust in Jesus Christ. Don't

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trust my words. Call upon the Lord. God won't

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let you down. Test the Lord. He's near to though,

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all we have to do is call upon him and he's no

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respecter of persons. I'm nobody special. I just

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want to share my experience to let you know that

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he's special, not me. Wow, that's a perfect ending

00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:30.140
to this interview. But I have one last question

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real quick. How much fear of death do you have?

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Now? None. The staying, the fear of death. I

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look forward one day being called home to heaven.

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I know I'll be with the Lord one day, so I'm

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happy to do this now. No more fear. Perfect love

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casts out all fear. And Jesus is perfect love.

00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.000
Randy, I really appreciate you sharing with us

00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.400
today. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you for having

00:28:55.400 --> 00:29:01.599
me. Thanks again for listening and sharing this

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