Aug. 18, 2025
PROOF of His NDE 2 - Conclusion of Our Interview With Greg

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In Part 1, we covered a lot of ground with Greg and heard many details of his near death experience (NDE) — but there were still plenty of questions left on the table.
In this follow-up conversation, the host, Eric Bennett, circles back to ask what didn’t get covered the first time. The result is a relaxed, thoughtful discussion that fills in the gaps, adds new stories, and gives listeners a more complete picture of Greg’s journey, including ways that his NDE experience changed his life.
🔑 Key Takeaways
- A continuation of Part 1, with questions that couldn’t fit into the first episode.
- Greg shares additional stories and experiences that round out his perspective.
- Insights into how Greg thinks about growth, challenges, and decision-making.
- A more complete picture of Greg’s personal and professional journey.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was
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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
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they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped
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and I could see people screaming and crying but
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I didn't realize that was actually my physical
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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing
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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute
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love and peace, there wasn't anything else to
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be felt. I was greeted by people I had known
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in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly
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safe and felt at home. Hey, welcome back to Round
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Trip Death, everybody, and our interview that
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we were having with Greg H. Mann. And for those
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that didn't hear the first part, I recommend
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go listen to that first. It's in depth. There's
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a lot to it. But just to give a quick summary
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on where we were, Greg, please feel free to chime
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in and clarify anything if I'm off a little bit.
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But quite a few years ago, you had an experience
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where, well, it was an overdose. It was a suicide
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attempt. We'll just say what it was. And you
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took hundreds of pills. It's amazing that you
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were able to come back from it, that you were.
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Saved shall we say by the medical staff and by
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other miracles that happened, but it left some
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effects, right? I mean you you had heart problems
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after that and I'm just jumping ahead to a while
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later you are with your brother and a friend
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on the river you are off alone on a great big
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rock and Your heart stops And you have this amazing
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experience with a guide and with God. And I just
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want to jump in and ask you some questions about
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it so we can learn even more. I know I skipped
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a lot, but are we OK to that point? Yeah, yeah,
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for the most part. I mean, just to correct a
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few things, when you said the medical staff kind
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of saved me in the hospital, they didn't. They
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just said it was a miracle that I survived. There's
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almost nothing that they did. I mean, they gave
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me some activated charcoal. monitor a few things,
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but everything else was very accurate. Just for
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the sake of accuracy, I always try to be as accurate
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as possible with everything that I'm saying in
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regards to this stuff. And you're absolutely
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right. And you had said that previously, but
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the fact is you were in the hospital. Okay. Yeah.
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Fast forward. Let's talk about some of the things
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that you experienced when you were on the rock
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on the river. And one of the things that you
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started with was talking about this being this
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personage. guide if you will and you felt like
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this was a female being what else can you tell
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me about her and i'm going to use her because
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you thought sort of female yeah you know people
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always question that a lot actually when they're
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like why do you say he why do you say she you
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know and and the simple answer is it just the
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the energy and the vibe was just extremely female
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it reminds me a lot of like Mother nature or
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mother earth we don't call her father earth or
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father nature And there's just a female aspect
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to it and then God on the other hand again No
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sex neither one of them really technically had
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a sex God or the father or whatever you'd want
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to really call them Very male very very strong
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presence and of a male type of energy Very much
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like the law is the law there felt a lot like
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that. So from this first being Did you feel like
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there was some sort of connection? Some people
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feel like a guardian angel type of connection
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or some kind of a guide or someone that you had
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known and loved in the past. Did you feel any
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of that? You know, I didn't feel any of that
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at all. I think for me, one of the really big
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parts about my journey, which obviously literally
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started when I was a child. So that's why it's
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been such a strange long journey. Ever since
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it started. And the main culminating point was
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the pain the suffering that I was feeling originally
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not a physical suffering either it was just like
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I'm not even just you could call it emotional
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but it was almost like a spiritual suffering
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in fact one of the examples I didn't I didn't
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even give this example when I was in my youth
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and this was all happening. The world to me I
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don't know if you can imagine this or remember
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this but if you've ever had a nightmare. Where
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you're in this nightmare and you know whether
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you're trying to run and you can't or whatever
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it is it's happening to feel so terrible. Don't
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know if you've ever awoken from a nightmare and
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you're clearly awake But you kind of still feel
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that energy of the nightmare you still kind of
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feel afraid somehow and you know, you're looking
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around and My life felt like that all the time.
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So from the moment I was little so I remember
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um, I made words for all these things I call
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it the peel peel world and the reason I called
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it peel peel world was because You know in beautiful
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mornings you hear like little birds going pew
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pew, you know, like beautiful sounds that they're
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making When I was in the place that I was in
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as a child, it sounded like the birds were yelling.
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They're like, yeah, yeah, you know, just it felt
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like everything was like a nightmare. And I was
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living with that, which is part of the reason
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I think it was driving me insane. Obviously led
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to me, you know, being very sad, unhappy, having
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a lot of pain and suffering and then obviously
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wanting to, you know, in my life. So my big goal,
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and this is to answer your question, was I was
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always looking for happiness. but not the way
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that everybody looks for happiness. I wasn't
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looking for a new toy or new clothes or you know
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something to fill that void. I wanted to find
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the thing that would fill quote -unquote my soul
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or my heart or something that I couldn't quite
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put my finger on and I tried religion obviously
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and you know I grew up Catholic and I tried different
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Christian denominational churches. I tried Buddhism.
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I read you know spiritual books. I was trying
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to find something and that led to a lot of frustration
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because nothing was working. and I would pray
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and I would be very sincere in my prayers and
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I would get baptized and I would do all these
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things but the emptiness just didn't go away.
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And so looking for happiness all this time, when
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I encountered this being of light, you might
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call her an angel, you can call her any name
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you want really, she was just absolute light.
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I didn't necessarily act like I recognized her
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or that she felt like she was a family member
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or ancestor or someone I knew. The very first
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thing that came straight out of my heart was
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I wanna be like you. It was everything, Eric,
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that I'd be looking for virtually my entire life.
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She had the presence, the aura, the joy, the
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calmness, the peace, the love, the depth of her
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love, the depth of her compassion. It was unlike
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any human I've ever met. There's no human at
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this point after encountering this being. I can
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admire humans for certain things, but there's
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not really anybody that I could really say, wow,
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I wanna be like them. There's nobody at this
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point because she was such a high standard. And
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like I said, I just wanted to be like her. I
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knew at that moment without even thinking about
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it that that was everything I was looking for.
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I was literally just happy with that. Having
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that encounter in that moment was so big, so
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pivotal. Obviously, it shocked me a lot when
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she responded when I said, I want to be like
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you. And she said, you are me and I am you. And
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I was just like. that's not true. Look at me,
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you know, and you could see all my flaws and
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you know, it's funny now that I think about it.
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Her light was a lot like similar to the light
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of God because God's light is like very interesting.
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His light shines right through you right onto
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your soul. It exposes everything and hers was
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kind of similar in the sense that I could see
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all my flaws very clearly. I mean, it penetrated
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right through me, which has made it very easy
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for me to call her out on it and say, Look, look
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at me. I'm not like you. Look at you. You are.
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You are so glorious. You are so beautiful. And
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I just wanted that so badly, because I didn't
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have it all my life. And it was absolutely beautiful.
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You know, I'm envious. And I hope that for humanity
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someday, because I know that someday it will
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happen. And we are so flawed, but The beauty
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that we can be, the potential is, is unimaginable.
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It's amazing that you got so much from her in
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such a short amount of time. In other words,
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my understanding, my feeling from what happened
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is, you two didn't sit and have this big, long,
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long, long conversation, and that's how that
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you knew that she was full of love. Tell me,
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was she just radiating this? Did you just felt
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this from her? Is that how it worked? You know
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Eric, this is a really that's a very good question
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because I finally figured out kind of how to
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word it because I thought it too I thought I
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how could I feel the patience? How could I feel
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the compassion? How could I feel the love? I
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didn't understand and what I realized in time
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Her light that that was her clothing by the way
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So it's not that she have clothes on her light
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was her clothes The only thing that you could
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see was kind of her face a little bit, but not
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much Was the aura it was that the but her clothing
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Dictated what she was and to give you an example
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It's like if you go to a hospital and there's
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a guy with wearing a white coat You're like,
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oh he must be a doctor or you see a woman with
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a white coat She must be a doctor if you go to
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You know mechanic shop and this guy's wearing
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the mechanic outfit and he's got all the grease
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like whatever if you're a policeman and you wear
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the police outfit Whatever you're wearing dictates
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kind of who you are Right you're a judge you
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wear the black robe whatever i could go on and
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on. And in this particular place when you're
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on the other side. It's interesting because i
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would even ask you cuz i saw a lot of this there
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do you think there's a hierarchy in heaven. Yes
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i knew it absolutely be correct because a lot
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of people would say well probably not everybody's
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equal that's not what i was shown. I was shown,
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and the reason we know there's a hierarchy is
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just think about what the scripture says when
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it talks about Lucifer. He was the highest of
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the angels, right? That right there lets you
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know there is a hierarchy. But the hierarchy
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in heaven is very different than the one on earth.
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And over there, what rises you up in the hierarchy
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is your love. How much love do you have in your
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heart? And it's all exposed. There is no lying.
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There is no hiding. There's no speaking with
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a silver. tongue or whatever they call it, it's
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very clear who rises up. And you only rise up
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for all the right reasons. And so her clothing
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was her patience, was her compassion, was the
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depth of her love. And because it was her clothing,
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I was just knew it somehow, but I didn't think
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about it. It was all very instinctual. I could
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just feel it off of her. And that's just how
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I knew, you know, we wear our clothing, that
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it comes from our heart, basically on the other
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side. Beautiful. After that, you talked about
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traveling at a really high, high, high rate of
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speed, which I'm sure you couldn't even put into
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numbers or anything. It sounded like through
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the galaxy and you talked about stars being doorways.
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Could you expound on that a little bit more?
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So basically, I realized through direct experience
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that stars are portals or doors. I had, this
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is a little, I don't know how much detail I should
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go into this, but from a child again, I actually,
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I've opened some portals. So there's different
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types of portals, and one of them is stars. The
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human body can actually be a portal, by the way,
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or quote unquote a doorway, and so can water.
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So ultimately in this particular case, from what
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I could see, the stars are doors. Some people
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call them gates, like star gates. and their doors
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to navigate the stars. So you literally are jumping
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to stars at a very, very fast speed. I never,
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I never understood this whole star constellation
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thing like, oh, there's the Big Dipper and there's
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Orion's belt. I was never into it. I never understood
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it. And so I just, I kind of always looked up
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there and thought that doesn't look like a dipper
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to me. I, you know, and then somebody would draw
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it for you and I'm like, who comes up with this
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stuff? Like I, I just didn't understand. But
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seeing how we are to navigate the heavens and
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that the stars have a huge part of it. It kind
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of helps me understand why we create star constellations
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and how to navigate the heavens because if I
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would have not had that being a light, it's impossible.
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You cannot navigate the stars. Try to go to downtown
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L .A. or try to drive anywhere without your GPS
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or a map and any signs that even point you in
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the right direction. And this is a billion times,
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maybe probably more into the trillions of times
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more difficult. It is so vast and the speeds
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are so high and it just would have been impossible.
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And I knew that when I was traveling with her,
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I'm just like, I let go. I'm like, you take me
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wherever you're taking me and I'm with you. But
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I knew very clearly that I would be absolutely
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lost. And I knew that I actually thought I'd
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never come back. I thought that was pretty much
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it. And she knew where she was going. And you
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ended up at this place where you described a
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council. Tell me more about the council. Did
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they look like people or angels? How many were
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there? Give me an idea of what that was like.
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All right. So remember, before I say this, I'm
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just going to give an honest testimonial because
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I don't have a religion or a belief system. But
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when I arrived, they were like monks. So the
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first being seen more like an angel which almost
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seems more biblical in nature, right? Now it's
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like monks and which is more quote -unquote from
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Asia or maybe Buddhism or whatnot they were their
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robes that they were wearing were kind of like
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orange in color and Like I said, they were in
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a circle now, you know, it's really crazy Eric.
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This is so funny Because I was in Japan recently.
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I've been doing a lot of research in Japan and
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I was grocery shopping was buying some organic
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produce and I look over and I see this giant
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like mural or painting or whatever it is and
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when I look at it Eric it was exactly what I
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saw when I was on the other side and I couldn't
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believe that I just saw it and when I saw that
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I immediately tried to find the Japanese person
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and said do you know who drew this because there
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is no way it's absolutely in my opinion impossible
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that you would draw this if you've never been
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there. You've had to have been where I've been.
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It's just not possible And so I asked them who
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drew that or where that came from and then they
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kind of laughed a little bit and Japanese person
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told me well, that's that's Kukai. I'm like Kukai.
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Who's Kukai? I've never even heard the name Kukai
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and he's like, you don't know Kukai and basically
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Kukai is like the Japanese Jesus basically and
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I thought it was so strange so I started reading
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about him and oh my goodness Kukai's story is
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unbelievable and beautiful He's obviously dead,
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but what he did was something so unprecedented,
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he self mummified himself. So he changed his
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diet to clear out all these bacteria and parasites
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out of his body so that he could go into deep
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meditation and his body wouldn't decompose. If
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you can believe that. The body is still in Japan.
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It still exists to this day. The monks still
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bring them food, by the way. It's such an interesting,
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interesting story and so smart. And it's one
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of the reasons that Japan is the way they are
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today. It's because of Kukai as far as how peaceful
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they are and how clean they are. They live so
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long because they practice certain practices
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that have wisdom in them for health. All these
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different things that the Japanese do, they really
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are pretty amazing people. Nobody's perfect,
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but my goodness, they're pretty remarkable people.
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And I found a lot and learned a lot from them.
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That's amazing. So I looked up this Kukai thing
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because they have the monks in a circle. Same
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way, but at the center. And this is where I think
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symbolism needs to be understood in order to
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understand what the image means. They have a
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really big head that looks like the Buddha. Now,
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the word Buddha really is kind of the same word
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as the word Christ, you know, when you reach
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the awakening and the enlightenment. So it's
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funny that they put Buddha's head because it
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symbolizes God, right? The Christ, the God. And
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what's interesting about that is all those monks
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in a circle Opened the portal that I went through
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where I met God So it was so odd this finding
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that there's things that I've been finding throughout
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the years to kind of make sense of this And so
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I don't know if that really answers your question
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But when I arrived to the council, you know,
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as I said before they said we've been waiting
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for you They spoke with one voice. They gave
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me a ton of images A lot of information came
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in a very very short period of time and it was
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pretty wild Did you feel like you were being
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judged in any way by them? No, not at all. In
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fact with them what I felt was God has a plan
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and There's a certain will you know when they
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say we want to do God's will he has a plan and
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when I got there When they say we've been waiting
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for you It had to do with a greater and grander
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plan that God has that has been going on by the
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way for thousands of years This is not a short
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plan. This is a very long one when they said
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they've been waiting for me. It had to do with
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Trying to finish or yeah, basically almost finished
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this particular plan that he's had for so long
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As a child, you know part of my pain as I explained
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before Was that I just had such a I don't even
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know how to explain it I know that a lot of people
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say the same thing too that they just have this
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love for god and I just had this strange Love
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and almost connection. I mean, I remember when
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I was a kid because I was going to catholic a
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church in my obviously very very little I remember
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asking a question and I asked this specifically
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to my mother. I don't know why I'll always remember
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this embedded in my brain I kept going to church
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all the time my parents and I'm thinking when
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do we finally meet God and I kept asking my mom
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I'm like, when do we meet God like we come here
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all the time? The preacher keeps talking or the
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pastor whatever all this stuff happens and they
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drink the cookie or I'm sorry They drink the
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wine and eat the cookie or the bread or whatever
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and all this is happening and every single time
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It's the same thing. I started noticing that
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it was a repetition all the time And of course,
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I get bored. I'm a kid. I'm like, and when do
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we meet this guy? Like, where is this God? I
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asked her something about God, actually. I don't
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remember the question, but I asked her something
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about God or when we're going to meet him or
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something. And my mother's response was just
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something that she had memorized as a Catholic
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also in her youth. And she just kind of regurgitated
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something and it meant nothing to me. But it
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was the first time that I felt like, because
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I believed everything my parents said. My father
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or my mother you tell they tell me anything and
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I believe that that was the way that I was I
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and I highly respect them But deep down inside
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was the first time that I it's almost like I
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heard a little voice So she said it that said
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she doesn't know it was then that I realized
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Nobody really knows you know these preachers
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or pastors or people think that they understand
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The depths or the true nature all these questions
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that I had After that, I always felt like the
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happiness and joy that I was seeking I just kind
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of knew instinctively deep down in my heart that
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it had everything to do with God and That nobody
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was gonna be able to lead me there and I tried
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that's why I went to many churches and tried
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many different things And I was like the canary
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in the coal mine. You couldn't fool me It was
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either gonna work or it wasn't it was either
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gonna be real or it wasn't you know I'm not into
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being like being affected by psychosomatic things.
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In fact, I And placebos those don't tend to really
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work very well on me because I tend to just let
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everything go and if the truth's gonna hit the
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truth's gonna hit and So I really know if that
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answers your question, but yeah, those monks
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were not there to judge me They were actually
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waiting for me as they said and they're waiting
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for me to do something I do have a lot of ideas
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of what that is But it's a yeah, but the simple
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fact is that they were definitely not judging
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me typically the real judgment You know for people
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who who wonder this the real judgment ends up
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actually coming from ourselves So the truth is
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actually in us already. It's in us already and
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so when god shines his light and you see the
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great mirror that I call it the great mirror
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because You you were able to peer into your own
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soul again. I think the best example was you
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can't really look at your own eyes Unless you
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look in a mirror, but if you don't have a mirror
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And so that's where your soul is very similar.
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You can't seem to see it You need a mirror to
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see it, and God is that ultimate mirror. And
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once you see it, you know somehow deep down inside
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the truth. Like when Scripture says, the truth
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is what will set you free. You know the truth,
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so when you've done something wrong, you just
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know it. You just feel it. You just know. Nobody
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needs to tell you. There's no need for people
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judging each other. You know, that being the
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light that I encountered, I mean, I pointed out
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to her all my flaws. Not one judgment came off.
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All right. This is probably my biggest discussion
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point that I want to have here. You described
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God as being heavy -handed, a male figure and
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heavy -handed, which has negative connotations
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with it. It sounds kind of like, like anger and
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like it's my way or the highway kind of thing.
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But we've also discussed love and the hierarchy
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of heaven based on how much love one has. So
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explain how those two things go together for
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us. Yeah, and when I say heavy hand that I don't
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mean like he's gonna hit you type of thing It's
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just that he's so big, you know, and when I say
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he's big it's kind of like the waves of an ocean
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I mean, you could have a person walking in a
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wave will just knock you down, you know And it's
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not that it's trying to it's just it's the nature
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and it seems from what I can see God has what
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I call and I never understood it really before
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and I'd read it in Scripture before heard it
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and I understand it very well now because it
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was revealed In the depths of my soul, which
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is the law there is a law and there's God's law
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and God's law It's the only way to be able to
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quote unquote what we would call ascend or find
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our way back to him Or find our way back to a
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one might call the tree of life. But the law
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is a law and there's an image I really hope this
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guy hears and you probably won't but there's
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a guy if you ever heard his name I think it's
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Robert Edward Grant. Now if you've heard of this
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guy a lot of things he's really right about.
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And then he's missing a few important pieces,
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which are important to finish the whole image.
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It's like a few pieces to a puzzle. And basically,
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the way that the real Tree of Life looks, I don't
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know if you know what the Tree of Life truly
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looks like. And they've tricked us with this.
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The Tree of Life is a tree, depending on, you
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know, certain images, but it's three things.
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So it's a tree, and then what looks either like
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a sword or a staff, and then two snakes going
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around. You know the staff they tripped us in
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some ways because that's the image they use for
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hospitals. So if you ever noticed the staff the
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serpent and at the top they have what looks also
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like a disc or the sun. But the disc can also
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represent a mirror remember i told you god is
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like the great mirror but it's also a type of
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light so kinda like the sun. And that represents
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life in it represents more than like because
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the serpents represent there's supposed to be
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two. And they actually represent male and female.
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They represent humans. The humans are the snakes.
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And the staff, which can also be depicted as
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a sword, is a sword of truth. And that's why
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in scripture, when it talks about the return
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of God or Jesus, it says that a sword will be
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coming out of his mouth. And that's because the
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truth will come out. That sword of truth is how
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the snakes ascend. That's how they go upwards
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and ascend once again and reach God again. who
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is the tree of life. So the whole thing is an
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image of life. And it's ironic that they put
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it in front of a hospital because they're letting
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you know subconsciously, we are in control of
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your life. They want to be the tree of life.
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They want to be the gods, but they're not. But
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they want to be. You know, it's a weird cosmic
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thing that's been going on for a very long time.
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When I talk about quote unquote, the Almighty,
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he's very big. but he can also be gentle i mean
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i was laid inside of him the way that you would
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lay in a river because that's the way he moves
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and he's so big and and he looks like stars and
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plasma and water and these colors and all these
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different things but he didn't feel mean but
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the greater your evil is like if you've done
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a lot of terrible things in your life it's like
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pulling on a rubber band even more more more
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more more because when you let go of it's only
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going to hit you that much harder So it's not
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so much that he's punishing you or that he has
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this heavy hand But it's more like the more you
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do it's kind of like the karma thing, you know
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The bigger it is or the more that you do of it
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the harder it's gonna hit you later I don't know
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if that's really under answering your question.
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Yeah, what did his love feel like? You know,
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it's so different. That's the weird part I would
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have guessed that the being of light would have
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been more like God, her level of compassion and
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love. He was more like, geez, it's like an eternal
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flow of, dare I say, just brilliant information.
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Nothing but answers, nothing but light. It's
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like a tree, like, you know, a tree, like especially
00:25:37.470 --> 00:25:42.569
a giant sequoia tree. So it's so big. It's so
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strong, so steady. But it's not necessarily like
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a puppy rubbing up against you and so loving
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in that way. It's just, it's so found, it's foundational.
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But sometimes when he decides to move, it's very
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interesting because he really is unpredictable
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and like the wind. I think I shared with you
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when I was with my brother and quote unquote,
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I reached down and grab him, but it wasn't me.
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He moved through me. Very spontaneously and very
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fast. It was just like boom like didn't almost
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have dare I say almost control But he gave me
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control so I could have at any moment stopped
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it But I was just allowing it and it's kind of
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hard to describe because it's this endless flow
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of like water Like a river, but then he can just
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do something at any moment that he wants to and
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you don't know what he's gonna do Completely
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unpredictable. I think it almost reminds me of
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a verse where Jesus says I don't think people
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understand this one and this one actually just
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a few days ago Came to me I had to sit down and
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start writing and stop thinking because he wanted
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me to just write and I was like, okay Here we
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go. And the things he showed me was it was ironic
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because it was about one of the verses in Scripture
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again Which is odd because I'm not no offense
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to anybody, but I'm not Christian I'm not even
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religious. I don't have any denomination because
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I don't want to close myself off. I feel like
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God's too big for that I just don't want to do
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that. I never want to close off to any set of
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beliefs So I just try to be open but he tends
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to bring me to the Bible a lot lately There's
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a verse where Jesus spoke to Nicodemus. I don't
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know if you remember the verse. It basically
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said, you know, Jesus was telling Nicodemus,
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you got to be born again. It's ironic because
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what Nicodemus was asking technically, I mean,
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he was saying, you know, I could even quote it.
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He says, we know you are a man of God, for no
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man could do such things if God were not with
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him. He basically is kind of asking him, you
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know, like, how do you do it? What's the way?
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What's the answer? A little ironic, you know,
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Jesus didn't say, well, You got to go give the
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church 10 % make sure you go there every Sunday
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and accept me as your Lord and Savior, you know
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He didn't really say those things He said you
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must be born again now. I don't honestly think
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that a lot of people even understand what that
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means I know that a lot of people think they
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do but I don't think they do because Jesus goes
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on to say it's not just about being born again
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Jesus specifically starts going in because Nicodemus
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doesn't understand and he starts saying things
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like well You have to be born of water But then
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you also have to be born of spirit. And then
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Nicodemus is a little confused. Obviously at
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one point he's like, I can't enter my mother's
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womb, you know, this whole thing. And then he
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starts talking about what is of the flesh is
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flesh, which by the way has a lot to do with
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water. But what is of the spirit is spirit. And
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that's where the spirit is born from. The spirit
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is born of God. You know, we are born of Him.
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Obviously He's our Father in heaven. When you're
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baptized in Him, as I would call it, I don't
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think almost anybody's ever seen anything like
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that. at least for a long time because when i
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was with him i think that's exactly what happened
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i literally went into him i was in him over there
00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:45.200
but on earth he was in me so over there i'm in
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.119
him over here he's in me it's kind of odd right
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and i think i told you felt like i had two brains
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:52.720
which is really weird i mean if you could even
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.039
imagine i've never had anything like that ever
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.920
so that was kind of confusing at some point too
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:01.390
and so When Jesus is describing to Nicodemus
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about being born of the spirit. He said something
00:29:03.450 --> 00:29:06.029
like it's like the wind he compares it to the
00:29:06.029 --> 00:29:09.190
wind too He says you know not where it comes
00:29:09.190 --> 00:29:11.910
from or where it goes So are those who are born
00:29:11.910 --> 00:29:13.890
of the spirit what he's meaning by that because
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I don't think people really understand what that
00:29:15.529 --> 00:29:17.109
means But all I can say is that he's completely
00:29:17.109 --> 00:29:19.349
unpredictable the wind sometimes goes here goes
00:29:19.349 --> 00:29:21.630
there and you don't know what he's gonna do But
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I know one things for sure He knows way more
00:29:24.730 --> 00:29:27.109
than any human that's on the planet will ever
00:29:27.109 --> 00:29:30.309
know He's so big, he's so massive, there's so
00:29:30.309 --> 00:29:32.930
much beautiful wisdom that we can't even begin
00:29:32.930 --> 00:29:36.349
to fathom, that if we just had one speck of it,
00:29:36.569 --> 00:29:38.210
we would think it's the most amazing thing on
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earth, and he's got tons of it, every nanosecond,
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you can't imagine it. It's too much. I mean,
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there's so much more that I could go into detail,
00:29:46.549 --> 00:29:48.250
but I don't even know if that answers your question,
00:29:48.289 --> 00:29:50.569
but that's the best way that I can describe it.
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I appreciate you using the term wisdom. versus
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he's really smart or something like that. Wisdom
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is such a better term for that. I've got one
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other question, but before I forget, if you'll
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give me some contact info for you in case anybody
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wants to reach out a website or whatever, we'll
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stick that in the show notes for everybody. And
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the last question that I'd like you to wrap up
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:16.279
with is, this happened quite a few years ago.
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Greg, how has your life been different since
00:30:19.099 --> 00:30:22.450
this happened? Wow it's been there's been a lot
00:30:22.450 --> 00:30:25.309
of changes one of the biggest changes that started
00:30:25.309 --> 00:30:27.190
the whole domino effect of what i've been doing
00:30:27.190 --> 00:30:31.430
these days. Was when i was before him and then
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when i kind of woke up a little bit and i came
00:30:34.009 --> 00:30:36.730
back to earth. And i mentioned to you that my
00:30:36.730 --> 00:30:39.809
brother had come over and then we both were before
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him so we got to actually be before him together.
00:30:43.049 --> 00:30:44.710
I'm trying to remember actually whether it was
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before i remember whether it was before my brother
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got there or after. I kind of think it was before
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he got there. But the point is is that the first
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thing that was so impactful was I felt every
00:30:54.940 --> 00:30:57.859
doubt That I didn't even know I had I felt it
00:30:57.859 --> 00:31:02.579
down into my bones. I felt it all go away I no
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:05.779
longer had any doubt and I still have absolutely
00:31:05.779 --> 00:31:10.019
no doubt that God is real that God exists and
00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:12.420
he may not be like everybody thinks he is because
00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:14.000
everybody's got their ideas of what they think
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:17.059
God is like and I can almost guarantee that if
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one was not prepared or told certain information,
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.000
that if they were ever before him, they wouldn't
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.119
recognize him. I think I pointed it out to you
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:27.119
too. Jesus, in this particular book, the Essene
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.559
Gospel of Peace, was so interesting the way he
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.839
worded it that I, I think I read it to you, but
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:33.880
that I read the part where he talks, he kind
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.019
of says a little bit about God and at the very
00:31:36.019 --> 00:31:37.619
end, and you'd never have any idea what he's
00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:39.779
talking about. And then at the very end of the
00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:42.019
sentence, he says, for this is God if you did
00:31:42.019 --> 00:31:45.029
but know it, because you wouldn't know. Unless
00:31:45.029 --> 00:31:46.690
somebody explained it to you, you're not going
00:31:46.690 --> 00:31:50.109
to know. And he describes them perfectly. When
00:31:50.109 --> 00:31:51.910
I say God is like water, I mean just look at
00:31:51.910 --> 00:31:53.990
how Jesus describes them. He literally calls
00:31:53.990 --> 00:31:58.509
it the holy streams. So he's also describing
00:31:58.509 --> 00:32:00.269
the same way as I saw him. That's why this book
00:32:00.269 --> 00:32:02.390
impacted me so much because it's the only book
00:32:02.390 --> 00:32:04.930
I've ever seen that described God correctly.
00:32:05.529 --> 00:32:07.750
Obviously I had direct experience and I had a
00:32:07.750 --> 00:32:10.769
witness with me and he marked my body, which
00:32:10.769 --> 00:32:12.930
was a whole other thing. This was very accurate.
00:32:13.099 --> 00:32:15.519
And I was very impressed by that and you go look
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.259
up this book and this author and they're gonna
00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:19.000
Tell you he's a quack that this is a bunch of
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.539
garbage It's a bunch of nonsense and I probably
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:23.259
would have believed that being a skeptic that
00:32:23.259 --> 00:32:26.400
I am But this was right and I don't know how
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.700
do not know how I need to me. He's clearly been
00:32:28.700 --> 00:32:31.099
there That's what I can say jesus had been to
00:32:31.099 --> 00:32:34.079
these places and he had been baptized in spirit
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.920
And also water and I don't think that was normal.
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.119
I think that most people were just baptized in
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.680
water I think that's the norm for the majority
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.500
of people But to be baptized in the Spirit is
00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:48.200
a whole other thing. I don't know how people
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.460
could make that happen. It obviously sometimes
00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:52.099
brings me sadness, though I know it's coming.
00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:54.539
And by the way, the whole world's gonna be baptized
00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.619
in Spirit, just so you know. That is something
00:32:56.619 --> 00:32:58.880
that's gonna be coming in the future. And I know
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.559
people might think it's gonna be the most pleasant
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.500
thing. Ironically, it won't be at first. It's
00:33:03.500 --> 00:33:05.380
gonna be painful, because everything's gonna
00:33:05.380 --> 00:33:07.539
be revealed. And when I say everything, I'm talking
00:33:07.539 --> 00:33:10.599
about everything. Every wrong that anybody's
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:12.380
ever done, every wrong that you've ever done,
00:33:12.579 --> 00:33:14.720
it will all be revealed in a second. It's going
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.940
to be a very short period of time and it's going
00:33:16.940 --> 00:33:19.759
to be extremely painful. Now granted, when it's
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.460
all said and done, you're going to feel really,
00:33:22.460 --> 00:33:24.740
really good. It's all going to change and you'll
00:33:24.740 --> 00:33:27.220
find your father and your connection once again.
00:33:27.740 --> 00:33:29.819
The face of the earth will change and transform
00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:33.740
if we can survive the tumultuous times that we
00:33:33.740 --> 00:33:35.480
are going through and that we're going to go
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.019
through. Things are gonna get pretty wild and
00:33:38.019 --> 00:33:40.000
some people say like oh don't be such a negative
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.759
person or a doomsday person I'm not saying that
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:44.960
because in the end I will tell you that in the
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.680
end eric It's always in a workout at the end.
00:33:47.859 --> 00:33:50.319
You know, there's no other way. It's already
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.599
like written this in the stars That in the end
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.819
everything's in a workout and and we will be
00:33:55.819 --> 00:33:58.180
okay But you know you go through growing pains
00:33:58.180 --> 00:33:59.579
kind of like when a woman's giving birth, you
00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:01.299
know It's painful and you're going through all
00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:03.200
this and the baby finally comes out and there's
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.250
a relief and it's so beautiful and in the end
00:34:06.250 --> 00:34:08.309
it's going to be a very beautiful thing. All
00:34:08.309 --> 00:34:10.429
right, hey I appreciate you coming back for round
00:34:10.429 --> 00:34:14.949
two today. Thanks again for listening and sharing
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this life and the next.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was
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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
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they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped
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and I could see people screaming and crying but
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I didn't realize that was actually my physical
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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing
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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute
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love and peace, there wasn't anything else to
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be felt. I was greeted by people I had known
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in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly
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safe and felt at home. Hey, welcome back to Round
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Trip Death, everybody, and our interview that
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we were having with Greg H. Mann. And for those
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that didn't hear the first part, I recommend
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go listen to that first. It's in depth. There's
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a lot to it. But just to give a quick summary
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on where we were, Greg, please feel free to chime
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in and clarify anything if I'm off a little bit.
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But quite a few years ago, you had an experience
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where, well, it was an overdose. It was a suicide
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attempt. We'll just say what it was. And you
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took hundreds of pills. It's amazing that you
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were able to come back from it, that you were.
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Saved shall we say by the medical staff and by
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other miracles that happened, but it left some
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effects, right? I mean you you had heart problems
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after that and I'm just jumping ahead to a while
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later you are with your brother and a friend
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on the river you are off alone on a great big
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rock and Your heart stops And you have this amazing
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experience with a guide and with God. And I just
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want to jump in and ask you some questions about
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it so we can learn even more. I know I skipped
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a lot, but are we OK to that point? Yeah, yeah,
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for the most part. I mean, just to correct a
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few things, when you said the medical staff kind
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of saved me in the hospital, they didn't. They
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just said it was a miracle that I survived. There's
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almost nothing that they did. I mean, they gave
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me some activated charcoal. monitor a few things,
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but everything else was very accurate. Just for
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the sake of accuracy, I always try to be as accurate
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as possible with everything that I'm saying in
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regards to this stuff. And you're absolutely
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right. And you had said that previously, but
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the fact is you were in the hospital. Okay. Yeah.
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Fast forward. Let's talk about some of the things
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that you experienced when you were on the rock
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on the river. And one of the things that you
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started with was talking about this being this
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personage. guide if you will and you felt like
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this was a female being what else can you tell
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me about her and i'm going to use her because
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you thought sort of female yeah you know people
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always question that a lot actually when they're
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like why do you say he why do you say she you
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know and and the simple answer is it just the
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the energy and the vibe was just extremely female
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it reminds me a lot of like Mother nature or
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mother earth we don't call her father earth or
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father nature And there's just a female aspect
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to it and then God on the other hand again No
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sex neither one of them really technically had
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a sex God or the father or whatever you'd want
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to really call them Very male very very strong
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presence and of a male type of energy Very much
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like the law is the law there felt a lot like
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that. So from this first being Did you feel like
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there was some sort of connection? Some people
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feel like a guardian angel type of connection
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or some kind of a guide or someone that you had
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known and loved in the past. Did you feel any
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of that? You know, I didn't feel any of that
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at all. I think for me, one of the really big
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parts about my journey, which obviously literally
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started when I was a child. So that's why it's
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been such a strange long journey. Ever since
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it started. And the main culminating point was
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the pain the suffering that I was feeling originally
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not a physical suffering either it was just like
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I'm not even just you could call it emotional
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but it was almost like a spiritual suffering
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in fact one of the examples I didn't I didn't
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even give this example when I was in my youth
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and this was all happening. The world to me I
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don't know if you can imagine this or remember
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this but if you've ever had a nightmare. Where
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you're in this nightmare and you know whether
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you're trying to run and you can't or whatever
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it is it's happening to feel so terrible. Don't
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know if you've ever awoken from a nightmare and
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you're clearly awake But you kind of still feel
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that energy of the nightmare you still kind of
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feel afraid somehow and you know, you're looking
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around and My life felt like that all the time.
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So from the moment I was little so I remember
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um, I made words for all these things I call
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it the peel peel world and the reason I called
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it peel peel world was because You know in beautiful
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mornings you hear like little birds going pew
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pew, you know, like beautiful sounds that they're
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making When I was in the place that I was in
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as a child, it sounded like the birds were yelling.
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They're like, yeah, yeah, you know, just it felt
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like everything was like a nightmare. And I was
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living with that, which is part of the reason
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I think it was driving me insane. Obviously led
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to me, you know, being very sad, unhappy, having
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a lot of pain and suffering and then obviously
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wanting to, you know, in my life. So my big goal,
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and this is to answer your question, was I was
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always looking for happiness. but not the way
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that everybody looks for happiness. I wasn't
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looking for a new toy or new clothes or you know
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something to fill that void. I wanted to find
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the thing that would fill quote -unquote my soul
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or my heart or something that I couldn't quite
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put my finger on and I tried religion obviously
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and you know I grew up Catholic and I tried different
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Christian denominational churches. I tried Buddhism.
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I read you know spiritual books. I was trying
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to find something and that led to a lot of frustration
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because nothing was working. and I would pray
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and I would be very sincere in my prayers and
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I would get baptized and I would do all these
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things but the emptiness just didn't go away.
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And so looking for happiness all this time, when
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I encountered this being of light, you might
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call her an angel, you can call her any name
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you want really, she was just absolute light.
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I didn't necessarily act like I recognized her
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or that she felt like she was a family member
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or ancestor or someone I knew. The very first
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thing that came straight out of my heart was
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I wanna be like you. It was everything, Eric,
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that I'd be looking for virtually my entire life.
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She had the presence, the aura, the joy, the
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calmness, the peace, the love, the depth of her
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love, the depth of her compassion. It was unlike
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any human I've ever met. There's no human at
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this point after encountering this being. I can
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admire humans for certain things, but there's
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not really anybody that I could really say, wow,
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I wanna be like them. There's nobody at this
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point because she was such a high standard. And
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like I said, I just wanted to be like her. I
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knew at that moment without even thinking about
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it that that was everything I was looking for.
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I was literally just happy with that. Having
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that encounter in that moment was so big, so
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pivotal. Obviously, it shocked me a lot when
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she responded when I said, I want to be like
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you. And she said, you are me and I am you. And
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I was just like. that's not true. Look at me,
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you know, and you could see all my flaws and
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you know, it's funny now that I think about it.
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Her light was a lot like similar to the light
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of God because God's light is like very interesting.
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His light shines right through you right onto
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your soul. It exposes everything and hers was
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kind of similar in the sense that I could see
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all my flaws very clearly. I mean, it penetrated
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right through me, which has made it very easy
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for me to call her out on it and say, Look, look
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at me. I'm not like you. Look at you. You are.
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You are so glorious. You are so beautiful. And
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I just wanted that so badly, because I didn't
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have it all my life. And it was absolutely beautiful.
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You know, I'm envious. And I hope that for humanity
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someday, because I know that someday it will
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happen. And we are so flawed, but The beauty
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that we can be, the potential is, is unimaginable.
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It's amazing that you got so much from her in
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such a short amount of time. In other words,
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my understanding, my feeling from what happened
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is, you two didn't sit and have this big, long,
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long, long conversation, and that's how that
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you knew that she was full of love. Tell me,
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was she just radiating this? Did you just felt
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this from her? Is that how it worked? You know
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Eric, this is a really that's a very good question
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because I finally figured out kind of how to
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word it because I thought it too I thought I
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how could I feel the patience? How could I feel
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the compassion? How could I feel the love? I
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didn't understand and what I realized in time
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Her light that that was her clothing by the way
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So it's not that she have clothes on her light
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was her clothes The only thing that you could
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see was kind of her face a little bit, but not
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much Was the aura it was that the but her clothing
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Dictated what she was and to give you an example
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It's like if you go to a hospital and there's
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a guy with wearing a white coat You're like,
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oh he must be a doctor or you see a woman with
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a white coat She must be a doctor if you go to
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You know mechanic shop and this guy's wearing
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the mechanic outfit and he's got all the grease
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like whatever if you're a policeman and you wear
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the police outfit Whatever you're wearing dictates
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kind of who you are Right you're a judge you
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wear the black robe whatever i could go on and
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on. And in this particular place when you're
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on the other side. It's interesting because i
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would even ask you cuz i saw a lot of this there
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do you think there's a hierarchy in heaven. Yes
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i knew it absolutely be correct because a lot
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of people would say well probably not everybody's
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equal that's not what i was shown. I was shown,
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and the reason we know there's a hierarchy is
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just think about what the scripture says when
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it talks about Lucifer. He was the highest of
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the angels, right? That right there lets you
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know there is a hierarchy. But the hierarchy
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in heaven is very different than the one on earth.
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And over there, what rises you up in the hierarchy
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is your love. How much love do you have in your
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heart? And it's all exposed. There is no lying.
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There is no hiding. There's no speaking with
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a silver. tongue or whatever they call it, it's
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very clear who rises up. And you only rise up
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for all the right reasons. And so her clothing
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was her patience, was her compassion, was the
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depth of her love. And because it was her clothing,
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I was just knew it somehow, but I didn't think
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about it. It was all very instinctual. I could
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just feel it off of her. And that's just how
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I knew, you know, we wear our clothing, that
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it comes from our heart, basically on the other
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side. Beautiful. After that, you talked about
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traveling at a really high, high, high rate of
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speed, which I'm sure you couldn't even put into
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numbers or anything. It sounded like through
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the galaxy and you talked about stars being doorways.
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Could you expound on that a little bit more?
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So basically, I realized through direct experience
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that stars are portals or doors. I had, this
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is a little, I don't know how much detail I should
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go into this, but from a child again, I actually,
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I've opened some portals. So there's different
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types of portals, and one of them is stars. The
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human body can actually be a portal, by the way,
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or quote unquote a doorway, and so can water.
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So ultimately in this particular case, from what
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I could see, the stars are doors. Some people
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call them gates, like star gates. and their doors
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to navigate the stars. So you literally are jumping
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to stars at a very, very fast speed. I never,
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I never understood this whole star constellation
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thing like, oh, there's the Big Dipper and there's
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Orion's belt. I was never into it. I never understood
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it. And so I just, I kind of always looked up
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there and thought that doesn't look like a dipper
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to me. I, you know, and then somebody would draw
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it for you and I'm like, who comes up with this
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stuff? Like I, I just didn't understand. But
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seeing how we are to navigate the heavens and
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that the stars have a huge part of it. It kind
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of helps me understand why we create star constellations
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and how to navigate the heavens because if I
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would have not had that being a light, it's impossible.
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You cannot navigate the stars. Try to go to downtown
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L .A. or try to drive anywhere without your GPS
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or a map and any signs that even point you in
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the right direction. And this is a billion times,
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maybe probably more into the trillions of times
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more difficult. It is so vast and the speeds
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are so high and it just would have been impossible.
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And I knew that when I was traveling with her,
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I'm just like, I let go. I'm like, you take me
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wherever you're taking me and I'm with you. But
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I knew very clearly that I would be absolutely
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lost. And I knew that I actually thought I'd
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never come back. I thought that was pretty much
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it. And she knew where she was going. And you
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ended up at this place where you described a
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council. Tell me more about the council. Did
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they look like people or angels? How many were
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there? Give me an idea of what that was like.
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All right. So remember, before I say this, I'm
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just going to give an honest testimonial because
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I don't have a religion or a belief system. But
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when I arrived, they were like monks. So the
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first being seen more like an angel which almost
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seems more biblical in nature, right? Now it's
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like monks and which is more quote -unquote from
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Asia or maybe Buddhism or whatnot they were their
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robes that they were wearing were kind of like
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orange in color and Like I said, they were in
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a circle now, you know, it's really crazy Eric.
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This is so funny Because I was in Japan recently.
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I've been doing a lot of research in Japan and
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I was grocery shopping was buying some organic
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produce and I look over and I see this giant
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like mural or painting or whatever it is and
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when I look at it Eric it was exactly what I
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saw when I was on the other side and I couldn't
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believe that I just saw it and when I saw that
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I immediately tried to find the Japanese person
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and said do you know who drew this because there
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is no way it's absolutely in my opinion impossible
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that you would draw this if you've never been
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there. You've had to have been where I've been.
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It's just not possible And so I asked them who
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drew that or where that came from and then they
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kind of laughed a little bit and Japanese person
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told me well, that's that's Kukai. I'm like Kukai.
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Who's Kukai? I've never even heard the name Kukai
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and he's like, you don't know Kukai and basically
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Kukai is like the Japanese Jesus basically and
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I thought it was so strange so I started reading
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about him and oh my goodness Kukai's story is
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unbelievable and beautiful He's obviously dead,
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but what he did was something so unprecedented,
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he self mummified himself. So he changed his
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diet to clear out all these bacteria and parasites
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out of his body so that he could go into deep
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meditation and his body wouldn't decompose. If
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you can believe that. The body is still in Japan.
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It still exists to this day. The monks still
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bring them food, by the way. It's such an interesting,
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interesting story and so smart. And it's one
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of the reasons that Japan is the way they are
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today. It's because of Kukai as far as how peaceful
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they are and how clean they are. They live so
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long because they practice certain practices
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that have wisdom in them for health. All these
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different things that the Japanese do, they really
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are pretty amazing people. Nobody's perfect,
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but my goodness, they're pretty remarkable people.
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And I found a lot and learned a lot from them.
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That's amazing. So I looked up this Kukai thing
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because they have the monks in a circle. Same
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way, but at the center. And this is where I think
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symbolism needs to be understood in order to
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understand what the image means. They have a
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really big head that looks like the Buddha. Now,
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the word Buddha really is kind of the same word
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as the word Christ, you know, when you reach
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the awakening and the enlightenment. So it's
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funny that they put Buddha's head because it
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symbolizes God, right? The Christ, the God. And
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what's interesting about that is all those monks
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in a circle Opened the portal that I went through
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where I met God So it was so odd this finding
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that there's things that I've been finding throughout
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the years to kind of make sense of this And so
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I don't know if that really answers your question
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But when I arrived to the council, you know,
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as I said before they said we've been waiting
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for you They spoke with one voice. They gave
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me a ton of images A lot of information came
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in a very very short period of time and it was
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pretty wild Did you feel like you were being
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judged in any way by them? No, not at all. In
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fact with them what I felt was God has a plan
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and There's a certain will you know when they
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say we want to do God's will he has a plan and
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when I got there When they say we've been waiting
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for you It had to do with a greater and grander
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plan that God has that has been going on by the
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way for thousands of years This is not a short
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plan. This is a very long one when they said
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they've been waiting for me. It had to do with
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Trying to finish or yeah, basically almost finished
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this particular plan that he's had for so long
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As a child, you know part of my pain as I explained
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before Was that I just had such a I don't even
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know how to explain it I know that a lot of people
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say the same thing too that they just have this
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love for god and I just had this strange Love
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and almost connection. I mean, I remember when
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I was a kid because I was going to catholic a
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church in my obviously very very little I remember
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asking a question and I asked this specifically
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to my mother. I don't know why I'll always remember
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this embedded in my brain I kept going to church
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all the time my parents and I'm thinking when
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do we finally meet God and I kept asking my mom
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I'm like, when do we meet God like we come here
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all the time? The preacher keeps talking or the
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pastor whatever all this stuff happens and they
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drink the cookie or I'm sorry They drink the
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wine and eat the cookie or the bread or whatever
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and all this is happening and every single time
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It's the same thing. I started noticing that
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it was a repetition all the time And of course,
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I get bored. I'm a kid. I'm like, and when do
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we meet this guy? Like, where is this God? I
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asked her something about God, actually. I don't
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remember the question, but I asked her something
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about God or when we're going to meet him or
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something. And my mother's response was just
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something that she had memorized as a Catholic
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also in her youth. And she just kind of regurgitated
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something and it meant nothing to me. But it
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was the first time that I felt like, because
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I believed everything my parents said. My father
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or my mother you tell they tell me anything and
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I believe that that was the way that I was I
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and I highly respect them But deep down inside
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was the first time that I it's almost like I
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heard a little voice So she said it that said
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she doesn't know it was then that I realized
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Nobody really knows you know these preachers
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or pastors or people think that they understand
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The depths or the true nature all these questions
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that I had After that, I always felt like the
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happiness and joy that I was seeking I just kind
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of knew instinctively deep down in my heart that
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it had everything to do with God and That nobody
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was gonna be able to lead me there and I tried
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that's why I went to many churches and tried
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many different things And I was like the canary
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in the coal mine. You couldn't fool me It was
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either gonna work or it wasn't it was either
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gonna be real or it wasn't you know I'm not into
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being like being affected by psychosomatic things.
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In fact, I And placebos those don't tend to really
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work very well on me because I tend to just let
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everything go and if the truth's gonna hit the
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truth's gonna hit and So I really know if that
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answers your question, but yeah, those monks
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were not there to judge me They were actually
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waiting for me as they said and they're waiting
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for me to do something I do have a lot of ideas
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of what that is But it's a yeah, but the simple
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fact is that they were definitely not judging
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me typically the real judgment You know for people
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who who wonder this the real judgment ends up
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actually coming from ourselves So the truth is
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actually in us already. It's in us already and
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so when god shines his light and you see the
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great mirror that I call it the great mirror
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because You you were able to peer into your own
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soul again. I think the best example was you
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can't really look at your own eyes Unless you
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look in a mirror, but if you don't have a mirror
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And so that's where your soul is very similar.
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You can't seem to see it You need a mirror to
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see it, and God is that ultimate mirror. And
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once you see it, you know somehow deep down inside
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the truth. Like when Scripture says, the truth
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is what will set you free. You know the truth,
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so when you've done something wrong, you just
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know it. You just feel it. You just know. Nobody
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needs to tell you. There's no need for people
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judging each other. You know, that being the
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light that I encountered, I mean, I pointed out
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to her all my flaws. Not one judgment came off.
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All right. This is probably my biggest discussion
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point that I want to have here. You described
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God as being heavy -handed, a male figure and
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heavy -handed, which has negative connotations
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with it. It sounds kind of like, like anger and
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like it's my way or the highway kind of thing.
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But we've also discussed love and the hierarchy
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of heaven based on how much love one has. So
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explain how those two things go together for
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us. Yeah, and when I say heavy hand that I don't
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mean like he's gonna hit you type of thing It's
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just that he's so big, you know, and when I say
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he's big it's kind of like the waves of an ocean
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I mean, you could have a person walking in a
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wave will just knock you down, you know And it's
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not that it's trying to it's just it's the nature
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and it seems from what I can see God has what
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I call and I never understood it really before
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and I'd read it in Scripture before heard it
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and I understand it very well now because it
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was revealed In the depths of my soul, which
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is the law there is a law and there's God's law
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and God's law It's the only way to be able to
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quote unquote what we would call ascend or find
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our way back to him Or find our way back to a
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one might call the tree of life. But the law
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is a law and there's an image I really hope this
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guy hears and you probably won't but there's
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a guy if you ever heard his name I think it's
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Robert Edward Grant. Now if you've heard of this
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guy a lot of things he's really right about.
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And then he's missing a few important pieces,
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which are important to finish the whole image.
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It's like a few pieces to a puzzle. And basically,
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the way that the real Tree of Life looks, I don't
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know if you know what the Tree of Life truly
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looks like. And they've tricked us with this.
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The Tree of Life is a tree, depending on, you
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know, certain images, but it's three things.
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So it's a tree, and then what looks either like
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a sword or a staff, and then two snakes going
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around. You know the staff they tripped us in
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some ways because that's the image they use for
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hospitals. So if you ever noticed the staff the
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serpent and at the top they have what looks also
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like a disc or the sun. But the disc can also
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represent a mirror remember i told you god is
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like the great mirror but it's also a type of
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light so kinda like the sun. And that represents
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life in it represents more than like because
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the serpents represent there's supposed to be
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two. And they actually represent male and female.
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They represent humans. The humans are the snakes.
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And the staff, which can also be depicted as
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a sword, is a sword of truth. And that's why
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in scripture, when it talks about the return
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of God or Jesus, it says that a sword will be
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coming out of his mouth. And that's because the
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truth will come out. That sword of truth is how
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the snakes ascend. That's how they go upwards
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and ascend once again and reach God again. who
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is the tree of life. So the whole thing is an
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image of life. And it's ironic that they put
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it in front of a hospital because they're letting
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you know subconsciously, we are in control of
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your life. They want to be the tree of life.
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They want to be the gods, but they're not. But
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they want to be. You know, it's a weird cosmic
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thing that's been going on for a very long time.
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When I talk about quote unquote, the Almighty,
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he's very big. but he can also be gentle i mean
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i was laid inside of him the way that you would
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lay in a river because that's the way he moves
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and he's so big and and he looks like stars and
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plasma and water and these colors and all these
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different things but he didn't feel mean but
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the greater your evil is like if you've done
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a lot of terrible things in your life it's like
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pulling on a rubber band even more more more
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more more because when you let go of it's only
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going to hit you that much harder So it's not
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so much that he's punishing you or that he has
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this heavy hand But it's more like the more you
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do it's kind of like the karma thing, you know
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The bigger it is or the more that you do of it
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the harder it's gonna hit you later I don't know
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if that's really under answering your question.
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Yeah, what did his love feel like? You know,
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it's so different. That's the weird part I would
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have guessed that the being of light would have
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been more like God, her level of compassion and
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love. He was more like, geez, it's like an eternal
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flow of, dare I say, just brilliant information.
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Nothing but answers, nothing but light. It's
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like a tree, like, you know, a tree, like especially
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a giant sequoia tree. So it's so big. It's so
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strong, so steady. But it's not necessarily like
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a puppy rubbing up against you and so loving
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in that way. It's just, it's so found, it's foundational.
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But sometimes when he decides to move, it's very
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interesting because he really is unpredictable
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and like the wind. I think I shared with you
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when I was with my brother and quote unquote,
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I reached down and grab him, but it wasn't me.
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He moved through me. Very spontaneously and very
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fast. It was just like boom like didn't almost
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have dare I say almost control But he gave me
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control so I could have at any moment stopped
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it But I was just allowing it and it's kind of
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hard to describe because it's this endless flow
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of like water Like a river, but then he can just
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do something at any moment that he wants to and
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you don't know what he's gonna do Completely
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unpredictable. I think it almost reminds me of
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a verse where Jesus says I don't think people
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understand this one and this one actually just
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a few days ago Came to me I had to sit down and
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start writing and stop thinking because he wanted
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me to just write and I was like, okay Here we
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go. And the things he showed me was it was ironic
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because it was about one of the verses in Scripture
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again Which is odd because I'm not no offense
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to anybody, but I'm not Christian I'm not even
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religious. I don't have any denomination because
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I don't want to close myself off. I feel like
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God's too big for that I just don't want to do
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that. I never want to close off to any set of
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beliefs So I just try to be open but he tends
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to bring me to the Bible a lot lately There's
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a verse where Jesus spoke to Nicodemus. I don't
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know if you remember the verse. It basically
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said, you know, Jesus was telling Nicodemus,
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you got to be born again. It's ironic because
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what Nicodemus was asking technically, I mean,
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he was saying, you know, I could even quote it.
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He says, we know you are a man of God, for no
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man could do such things if God were not with
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him. He basically is kind of asking him, you
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know, like, how do you do it? What's the way?
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What's the answer? A little ironic, you know,
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Jesus didn't say, well, You got to go give the
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church 10 % make sure you go there every Sunday
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and accept me as your Lord and Savior, you know
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He didn't really say those things He said you
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must be born again now. I don't honestly think
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that a lot of people even understand what that
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means I know that a lot of people think they
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do but I don't think they do because Jesus goes
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on to say it's not just about being born again
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Jesus specifically starts going in because Nicodemus
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doesn't understand and he starts saying things
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like well You have to be born of water But then
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you also have to be born of spirit. And then
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Nicodemus is a little confused. Obviously at
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one point he's like, I can't enter my mother's
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womb, you know, this whole thing. And then he
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starts talking about what is of the flesh is
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flesh, which by the way has a lot to do with
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water. But what is of the spirit is spirit. And
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that's where the spirit is born from. The spirit
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is born of God. You know, we are born of Him.
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Obviously He's our Father in heaven. When you're
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baptized in Him, as I would call it, I don't
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think almost anybody's ever seen anything like
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that. at least for a long time because when i
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was with him i think that's exactly what happened
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i literally went into him i was in him over there
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but on earth he was in me so over there i'm in
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.119
him over here he's in me it's kind of odd right
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and i think i told you felt like i had two brains
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which is really weird i mean if you could even
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imagine i've never had anything like that ever
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so that was kind of confusing at some point too
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and so When Jesus is describing to Nicodemus
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about being born of the spirit. He said something
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like it's like the wind he compares it to the
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wind too He says you know not where it comes
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from or where it goes So are those who are born
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of the spirit what he's meaning by that because
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I don't think people really understand what that
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means But all I can say is that he's completely
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unpredictable the wind sometimes goes here goes
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there and you don't know what he's gonna do But
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I know one things for sure He knows way more
00:29:24.730 --> 00:29:27.109
than any human that's on the planet will ever
00:29:27.109 --> 00:29:30.309
know He's so big, he's so massive, there's so
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much beautiful wisdom that we can't even begin
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to fathom, that if we just had one speck of it,
00:29:36.569 --> 00:29:38.210
we would think it's the most amazing thing on
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earth, and he's got tons of it, every nanosecond,
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you can't imagine it. It's too much. I mean,
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there's so much more that I could go into detail,
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but I don't even know if that answers your question,
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but that's the best way that I can describe it.
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I appreciate you using the term wisdom. versus
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he's really smart or something like that. Wisdom
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is such a better term for that. I've got one
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other question, but before I forget, if you'll
00:30:02.299 --> 00:30:05.640
give me some contact info for you in case anybody
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wants to reach out a website or whatever, we'll
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stick that in the show notes for everybody. And
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the last question that I'd like you to wrap up
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:16.279
with is, this happened quite a few years ago.
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Greg, how has your life been different since
00:30:19.099 --> 00:30:22.450
this happened? Wow it's been there's been a lot
00:30:22.450 --> 00:30:25.309
of changes one of the biggest changes that started
00:30:25.309 --> 00:30:27.190
the whole domino effect of what i've been doing
00:30:27.190 --> 00:30:31.430
these days. Was when i was before him and then
00:30:31.430 --> 00:30:34.009
when i kind of woke up a little bit and i came
00:30:34.009 --> 00:30:36.730
back to earth. And i mentioned to you that my
00:30:36.730 --> 00:30:39.809
brother had come over and then we both were before
00:30:39.809 --> 00:30:42.250
him so we got to actually be before him together.
00:30:43.049 --> 00:30:44.710
I'm trying to remember actually whether it was
00:30:44.710 --> 00:30:46.809
before i remember whether it was before my brother
00:30:46.809 --> 00:30:49.660
got there or after. I kind of think it was before
00:30:49.660 --> 00:30:52.420
he got there. But the point is is that the first
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thing that was so impactful was I felt every
00:30:54.940 --> 00:30:57.859
doubt That I didn't even know I had I felt it
00:30:57.859 --> 00:31:02.579
down into my bones. I felt it all go away I no
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:05.779
longer had any doubt and I still have absolutely
00:31:05.779 --> 00:31:10.019
no doubt that God is real that God exists and
00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:12.420
he may not be like everybody thinks he is because
00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:14.000
everybody's got their ideas of what they think
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:17.059
God is like and I can almost guarantee that if
00:31:17.059 --> 00:31:19.920
one was not prepared or told certain information,
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.000
that if they were ever before him, they wouldn't
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.119
recognize him. I think I pointed it out to you
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:27.119
too. Jesus, in this particular book, the Essene
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.559
Gospel of Peace, was so interesting the way he
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.839
worded it that I, I think I read it to you, but
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:33.880
that I read the part where he talks, he kind
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.019
of says a little bit about God and at the very
00:31:36.019 --> 00:31:37.619
end, and you'd never have any idea what he's
00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:39.779
talking about. And then at the very end of the
00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:42.019
sentence, he says, for this is God if you did
00:31:42.019 --> 00:31:45.029
but know it, because you wouldn't know. Unless
00:31:45.029 --> 00:31:46.690
somebody explained it to you, you're not going
00:31:46.690 --> 00:31:50.109
to know. And he describes them perfectly. When
00:31:50.109 --> 00:31:51.910
I say God is like water, I mean just look at
00:31:51.910 --> 00:31:53.990
how Jesus describes them. He literally calls
00:31:53.990 --> 00:31:58.509
it the holy streams. So he's also describing
00:31:58.509 --> 00:32:00.269
the same way as I saw him. That's why this book
00:32:00.269 --> 00:32:02.390
impacted me so much because it's the only book
00:32:02.390 --> 00:32:04.930
I've ever seen that described God correctly.
00:32:05.529 --> 00:32:07.750
Obviously I had direct experience and I had a
00:32:07.750 --> 00:32:10.769
witness with me and he marked my body, which
00:32:10.769 --> 00:32:12.930
was a whole other thing. This was very accurate.
00:32:13.099 --> 00:32:15.519
And I was very impressed by that and you go look
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.259
up this book and this author and they're gonna
00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:19.000
Tell you he's a quack that this is a bunch of
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.539
garbage It's a bunch of nonsense and I probably
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:23.259
would have believed that being a skeptic that
00:32:23.259 --> 00:32:26.400
I am But this was right and I don't know how
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.700
do not know how I need to me. He's clearly been
00:32:28.700 --> 00:32:31.099
there That's what I can say jesus had been to
00:32:31.099 --> 00:32:34.079
these places and he had been baptized in spirit
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.920
And also water and I don't think that was normal.
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.119
I think that most people were just baptized in
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.680
water I think that's the norm for the majority
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.500
of people But to be baptized in the Spirit is
00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:48.200
a whole other thing. I don't know how people
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.460
could make that happen. It obviously sometimes
00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:52.099
brings me sadness, though I know it's coming.
00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:54.539
And by the way, the whole world's gonna be baptized
00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.619
in Spirit, just so you know. That is something
00:32:56.619 --> 00:32:58.880
that's gonna be coming in the future. And I know
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.559
people might think it's gonna be the most pleasant
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.500
thing. Ironically, it won't be at first. It's
00:33:03.500 --> 00:33:05.380
gonna be painful, because everything's gonna
00:33:05.380 --> 00:33:07.539
be revealed. And when I say everything, I'm talking
00:33:07.539 --> 00:33:10.599
about everything. Every wrong that anybody's
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:12.380
ever done, every wrong that you've ever done,
00:33:12.579 --> 00:33:14.720
it will all be revealed in a second. It's going
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.940
to be a very short period of time and it's going
00:33:16.940 --> 00:33:19.759
to be extremely painful. Now granted, when it's
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.460
all said and done, you're going to feel really,
00:33:22.460 --> 00:33:24.740
really good. It's all going to change and you'll
00:33:24.740 --> 00:33:27.220
find your father and your connection once again.
00:33:27.740 --> 00:33:29.819
The face of the earth will change and transform
00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:33.740
if we can survive the tumultuous times that we
00:33:33.740 --> 00:33:35.480
are going through and that we're going to go
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.019
through. Things are gonna get pretty wild and
00:33:38.019 --> 00:33:40.000
some people say like oh don't be such a negative
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.759
person or a doomsday person I'm not saying that
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:44.960
because in the end I will tell you that in the
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.680
end eric It's always in a workout at the end.
00:33:47.859 --> 00:33:50.319
You know, there's no other way. It's already
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.599
like written this in the stars That in the end
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.819
everything's in a workout and and we will be
00:33:55.819 --> 00:33:58.180
okay But you know you go through growing pains
00:33:58.180 --> 00:33:59.579
kind of like when a woman's giving birth, you
00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:01.299
know It's painful and you're going through all
00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:03.200
this and the baby finally comes out and there's
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.250
a relief and it's so beautiful and in the end
00:34:06.250 --> 00:34:08.309
it's going to be a very beautiful thing. All
00:34:08.309 --> 00:34:10.429
right, hey I appreciate you coming back for round
00:34:10.429 --> 00:34:14.949
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