Sept. 8, 2025
Ned Died From Sepsis, Lived 3 Lives During NDE (Near Death Experience)
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He now has ZERO fear of death: "It's like walking through a door into another room." Ned shares his NDE experience publicly for the first time.
When a stubborn bladder infection spiraled into sepsis, Ned Barnett flatlined twice in the ER. During his near death experience, he lived three vivid, sequential “lives”:
NDE #1 - Tranquil, dove-gray creative realm where ideas were built and freely shared;
NDE #2 - An ordinary, domestic life that quietly corrected priorities;
NDE #3 - A hyper-real action life as a hostage negotiator and rescue-show producer leading SWAT-style interventions.
On “re-entry,” Ned realized the “hotel” with stark black-and-white ceiling panels was actually the ICU—and his overwhelming drive was simply to call his wife and tell her he was okay.
The NDE completely erased his fear of death, redirected his career toward helping authors, and deepened his Christian faith. He closes with gentle advice for listeners in pain: simple prayers, the Psalms, and the reminder that what we are continues.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was
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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
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they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped
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and I could see people screaming and crying but
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I didn't realize that was actually my physical
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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing
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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute
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love and peace, there wasn't anything else to
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be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in
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the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe
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and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip
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Death, everybody. We're so happy that you're
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here and we're happy to introduce today's guest,
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Ned Barnett, coming to us from Henderson, Nevada.
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How are you, Ned? Doing fine, thank you. People
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are going to be so intrigued with your near -death
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experience. I promise it's different than anything
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you've ever heard before. We'll jump into that
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just momentarily, but before we do, I want everybody
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to get to know who Ned is. So you realize he
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is a real live human being. So Ned, just tell
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me a little bit about you. I have all my professional
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life. I have been a writer doing public relations,
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advertising and marketing for my clients or employers.
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And when I hit 65 and had Social Security coming
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in, I said, the market's not as profitable, but
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it's where my heart is. So I started working
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with authors. I have published 41 books. 19 of
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them were ghostwritten for clients who wanted
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a book, whether story told, but didn't know how
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to do it. So I've been successful at that. And
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it's been a real treat. Authors are very interesting
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people, not me necessarily, but the ones I work
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with are. And just coincidentally, my wife has
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her master's in communication and had been a
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book editor. So I started working with my clients
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through her. So the final books that they published
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were professionally edited, high quality. My
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wife and I have had a wonderful relationship.
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I've been married 50 years, but that took three
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marriages to do it. The first one. was a learning
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one and I made all the mistakes and you know
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if I could go back and do it over again it would
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have been a wonderful marriage. My ex -wife is
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a wonderful person. We've become friends, kind
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of bonded because our son's a little hard to
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manage and we commiserate on that. My second
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one was well she had suffered a number of tragedies
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and eventually wound up taking her own life because
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she was We'd lost a son, and she'd lost a son
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from an earlier marriage. She couldn't handle
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it. While we were together, she was being medically
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treated by a surgeon. She was getting eye problems.
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And he would put in, literally shooting her eyeball,
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a dye that would then, you know, he could look
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in and see what was going wrong. She started
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showing allergic symptoms and we told him that
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and he didn't change it. Then he gave her one
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more and she basically went into a near -death
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experience. That was my first exposure to near
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-death. She became psychic because of that. And
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I've not been a big believer in psychic, but
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she was able to wear things like she knew two
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weeks in advance. what the episode next episode
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of star trek next generation would be we're both
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star trek fans but she knew it in advance and
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told me we realize this we started writing it
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down and checking it out she was finally written
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up in a very prestigious paranormal magazine
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and it was called suddenly psychic because this
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near -death experience this is getting bizarre
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before we even get going. That's okay. We're
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going to have fun today. I want to hear about
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your experience. And this was just eight years
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ago. And I know you had sepsis. Could you tell
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us just briefly what led up to that to you getting
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so sick? Well, I had a bladder infection, a chronic
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one that kept coming back. It wouldn't respond
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to treatment. I had had some radiation treatment
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for a medical condition and it burned and scarred
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the bladder and that made it prone to these infections.
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And I was under treatment for it, but it wasn't
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working for a year and a half. And then one day
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it got really bad, which led to sepsis, which
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is basically a blood infection. So it goes everywhere
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and it can be fatal, as I quickly found out.
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And it attacks all your organs. So it's not something
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you want to have. So anyway, I was on my way
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to meet a client at the Starbucks in Barnes and
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Noble. because I was dealing with writer clients.
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I like to meet in a bookstore, just the right
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atmosphere for it. And I fell four times going
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from my car into Barnes and Noble. I said, this
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isn't right. So I just turned around, drove home,
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told my wife what was going on, and called an
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ambulance and rushed to the hospital. We barely
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got it right because I was in the ER and they
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were trying to deal with this when I died on
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the table. and they were able to bring me back.
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And then I died again, and these two doctors
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who were working on me thought they wouldn't
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be able to bring me back. I was dead and they
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were ready to, you know, call it, you know, code
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it, time it, and all this kind of stuff. Coincidentally,
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and coincidences play a great role in my life,
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these two doctors, they had been my kidney doctor
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and my heart doctor for several years. We had
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relationships. They knew who I was. And I think
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they were really trying because there was that
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bond there. They were doing things that made
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no sense, but one of them worked and they brought
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me back. So I survived both times. Months later,
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separately, I talked to each of them separately
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at my next appointment with them. And they said,
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you know, you died twice on the table. They hadn't
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told me this at the time. The second time, we
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didn't think we were going to bring it back.
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We tried everything and it just wasn't working.
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But apparently something worked. And so I was
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there. And that helped me to shape the experience
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I had because while I was under, while I was
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dead, I lived three different lives. And this
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would have been the second time because I was
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dead for quite a while. And this is the part
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that people are going to have a little bit of
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a hard time wrapping their minds around. I don't
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even know what to say. This is very unusual.
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And I want to break it out so that it's clear.
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for all of us to understand. Would it make sense,
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Ned, if we just start with out of the three lives,
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were they happening simultaneously? And let's
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start with number one and let's go through it
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and then we'll go from there. Does that sound
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good? Sure. They were not simultaneous. They
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came one after the other and they were very different,
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but each one had a focus and a message. that
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as I now understand, okay, I was dead when this
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happened. That really caught my attention. The
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first one, I was creating things from my mind,
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not like some science fiction weird thing where
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I could beam it in there, but I would come up
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with these ideas and I could create them and
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share them with other people. I wasn't doing
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it for economic gain. I was just sharing things
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with other people. I think this was an influencer
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on me changing my career path from corporations
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to individual writers that I could help one way
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or another. What was weird was I existed in this
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plane, but it was kind of a gray area. There
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was no ground, there was no ceiling, no walls,
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just floated around. Other people floated around
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too. And we were able to connect one with the
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other. in this realm and this is where I got
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ideas that I could then create and then bring
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them into physical existence and then share them
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with other people. Most part of it was it was
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creative, very creative, really excited me in
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this space and time and floating around was like
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being in outer space with no gravity except there
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was not even the appearance of like stars and
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blackness which is all light gray. That motivated
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me to want to be creative and to help other people
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benefit from that creativity. And so I started
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working with authors, either ghost writing their
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books or helping them write it or marketing it
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so it would sell well so other people would get
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it. And I got personal validation doing that.
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I made a living. It wasn't a fantastic living,
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but it was enough. So that was the first one.
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Can I ask you a couple questions before you move
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on to the next one? Was there anything else you
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wanted to clarify in that first one first? Well,
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it seemed like I lived a long life. I was very
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comfortable where I was. It wasn't like, wow,
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this is strange. I felt like it was really, I
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was really there. It was really happening on
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another plane. I lived in it. I don't know how
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long it went on, but it felt like I lived that
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way for years. It wasn't like a brief moment.
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And so I had experience with a lot of ideas and
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a lot of people coming to me. They bring their
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ideas to me that I can manifest into the world
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or they came to me and wanted one of the ideas
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that I had developed. It was a blissful, positive
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place and I was being able to work with people
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and help people and go forward with it. Have
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you tried to put any name on this place? Some
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people, where they go, they'll call heaven, or
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they'll call a void, or they'll call it something
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else. Have you done that? It would be a void
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more than heaven. I'm a believer. I'm not an
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evangelist, but I am a believer, and I was then.
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It didn't have religious overtones. It wasn't
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like in Revelation where you have you know, the
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angels and the believers and the thrones and
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all that kind of stuff. It was just this place
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of peace and tranquility. And it wasn't like
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there was no God, it just wasn't a factor in
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this experience that I had. And you're floating.
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Do you remember seeing anything? Was it light?
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Was there like an earth or planets? Or what did
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you see besides other people, you said? It was
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like I see other people. And things that I created
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were physical. And as I said, I didn't manifest
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them through my mind. I actually built them,
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assembled them, then say, here's how to do this.
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Anybody wants it, here it is. I didn't go into
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manufacturing them because I wanted anybody could
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take them and do what they want with them. That
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was it. It just didn't, you know, it wasn't like
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a production line. But these ideas you had were
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things that applied to earth life here. They
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didn't apply to some heavenly spiritual kind
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of experience. No. Interesting. The people that
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I saw who drifted into my realm of existence,
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there was no propulsion or anything. There was
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no way to walk. They were there. They were just
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like you and me. They looked dressed in normal
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clothing. They had personalities and things like
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that. They were real people. They treated me
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and I treated them like real people. But it was
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in a place where there was no competitiveness.
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There was no... negativity or hostility, it just
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wasn't like it wasn't possible in that place.
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I really hadn't thought about it until you asked
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that question because I only looked at it from
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from my perspective, which is why I was there,
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experienced it still. I didn't know what questions
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to ask. Are there any other adjectives you could
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put to how you felt? I felt wonderful. I felt
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relaxed. I felt creative, not in a competitive
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sense, but just in, you know, Here's something
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I can do. Other people were creative and they
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helped me with their, you know, things they were
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doing that I wanted to know more about her to
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do. It made me think that I knew what being in
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space was, you know, in that it was kind of a
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weightless thing. But it had, you know, it didn't
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have a sky and a planet down below or anything
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like that. It was just this white, almost dove
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color. You know, dove gray is just a soft white
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gray. Do you have any recollection of how you
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got there or how you went from this to experience
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number two? No, it just started and then it stopped
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but there was no sense of starting or stopping.
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I mean I was doing it and then it was gone and
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the next one started up, seemed to start up right
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away. Okay, let's go with that one. What happened
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there? This is the one that I have the least
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memory of because I think it was about My life
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as I was living it right then. And I was doing
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things that anybody would do in their normal
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life. I was resolving things that I hadn't known
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I needed to be resolved. But it was a normal
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place. You know, there was a floor, there was
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a ceiling, there were walls. You could look out
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the window and see the sunlight or the moon.
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It was a normal place. And I was doing normal
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things. But it wasn't as Ned Barnett. It was
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just... who I was then. So there's not a lot
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to remember there, but I think I was probably
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being shown ways that I can live my life better
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than I was because after all this was done, I
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was doing better emotionally, spiritually, and
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eventually physically when I recovered from the
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sepsis. So there's not much there to say, but
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it helped me improve my life. It helped me see
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things. Just as the... first one helped me to
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see that I had something to give to other people
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to help them in their journeys wherever they
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were going and that that was something positive
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and rewarding and that helped me shift my business
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focus to working with individual writers who
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had either they could write but not through professional
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standards or they didn't think they could write
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at all but they had their own compelling story
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to tell and I just for instance helped a woman
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in the Midwest who was running for governor of
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her state to do a campaign biography. It was
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actually an entertaining and informative autobiography,
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but I wrote it for her. Everybody needs something
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different. Yeah. But I can't talk a lot about
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that one because it really is not something I
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can stick really cling to. It was a transition
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from the one to the next one. The third one was
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the most active and most Interesting and you
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know to me in a variety of ways. I would like
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to move on to that one Yeah, give me all the
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detail you have I was in this third place and
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it was like the real world But I was kind of
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a larger -than -life person. I physically manifested
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as about six five and not skinny Whereas normally
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I'm five nine and could lose a few pounds Anyway,
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I was in this place and I had two parallel jobs.
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They work together. One of them was I was a hostage
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negotiator. And if that didn't work, I would
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lead a SWAT team in to recover, save people who've
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been kidnapped or trapped, something like that.
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People in real trouble, you know, school shooters
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in the school, something like that. And I was
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there to go and resolve it. And this was a very
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active thing to be doing. very rewarding, but
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it was dangerous and it was crisis -filled and
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I was able to save people and that meant a lot.
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The other thing I was, was I was a reality TV
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program host and created a producer and what
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I did in this TV program was go in and rescue
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people. So as I'm preparing to go, you know,
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rescue somebody or grab a school shooter and
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stop the violence, Rather than just doing that,
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I was creating these TV episodes. I didn't care
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about the fame, but it was wildly famous. It
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was successful. And that's where people knew
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to contact me because they had seen me in action.
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So I would go in leading the charge to rescue
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somebody. Well, I have a microphone in my hand,
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you know, and a Steadicam, a guy with a Steadicam
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with me. You know, we charge into these places.
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And I had a crew with me, but, you know, I was
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the leader then. I don't know where the two come
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together except that I can have an impact in
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my life and I can also document it and share
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it with people so that they can see those experiences
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and understand them better. But it was a lot
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of fun. It was actually, I mean, it was adrenaline
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and all this kind of thing. In episode number
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three, or let's call it experience number three.
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Were you still in this floaty kind of place that
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you were in number one or was this more of a
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reality 3D kind of physical place? Reality 3D
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kind of place. You know, it could have been in
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Minneapolis at that, you know, the shooter who
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attacked all those children, you know, in the
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church that was attached to the church school.
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I wrote an article that was published today about
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that and about that one in Nashville, which is
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also a church school. It was published earlier
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today on American Thinker. But anyway, it was
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real. It was very real. If I tripped and stumbled,
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I would skin my knee and it would hurt. You know,
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I had all my senses going, and there was danger.
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You know, I knew the danger, yet I was, you know,
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I was not only willing to do it, I was drawn
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to do it. I wanted to save people, not in a spiritual
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sense, but in a whole life situation. I was...
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people who were being held hostage were liberated
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and freed and able to get, you know, the physical
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health and mental health they'd need because
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those things do scar people. But then I go into,
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you know, it was a lot of glory. I went on to
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do the next one. And when I was doing the ones
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for, you know, TV, as soon as it was resolved,
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I would go and edit the videotape. And as a professional
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journalist in early life, I used to do weekend
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camera work for Channel 10, Columbia, South Carolina.
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And they'd send me out with a camera and I'd
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find something and shoot it and then rush back
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to the studio, you know, have it developed while
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I wrote the script for it. And then the newscaster
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would read it on the six o 'clock news. It was
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that kind of reality. but larger than life. Tell
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me was there a time when this experience you
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felt like it ended somehow? Like some people
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feel in their NDE like they're out of their body
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and all of a sudden they're put back in their
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body. How did yours end? That's a great question.
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You know in our exchange earlier I forgot to
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mention this. There was a time before the first
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one started where I was in a room but I was trying
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to help people being stymied by it. But what
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I remember was there was this really unusual
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pattern in the ceiling in this room of big rectangular
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white spaces and really vivid black spaces. And
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it was haunting me. It was, it was, I couldn't
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understand what it was, but it was haunting me.
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People were chasing me. I was trying to hide
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from them and I needed to get back to my wife.
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Those were the things I remembered in this time
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frame. I was driven to try to get a hold of my
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wife, tell her I was okay. And I was also hiding
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from people who I did not want to have to deal
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with. They were a threat and I didn't want to
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go there. That led me into this empty space.
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It was a transition. That was where I went from
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the world into this place. And I had the idea
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that I was in a hotel. that had convention hotel.
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I don't know why I thought that, but that was
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it. There were people at the convention that
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were there to do me harm. So I wanted to stay
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away from them. But I really needed to get a
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hold of my wife. And then when I came out of
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the third one, I was back into that kind of a
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space. And I was still trying to get a hold of
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my wife. And I realized that I was like 41 miles
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away from her. I was in a specific part of the
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Las Vegas Valley, and to get from there to where
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she was, 41 miles away, and I had to get out
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of this hotel, and if I couldn't find a car,
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I'd walk. I had to do whatever I could to get
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a hold of her. When I finally came out of all
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of this, I realized it was not a hotel. It was
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the ICU of the hospital I was in. I didn't know
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this at all at first. As it was ending at the
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other end, as I started coming out of it, I realized
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that I was in a hospital. It finally dawned on
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me that I was not in a hotel. I was in a hospital.
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But I still had this overwhelming need to go
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and contact my wife. And I asked the nurses,
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give me a phone. I got to call my wife. And they
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said, no, no, we're not gonna do that. We don't
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have phones in this room and we're not gonna
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do that. And I thought and struggled to get out
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of there. So I could find a phone somewhere in
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the building and call her just to tell her I
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was okay. I didn't learn it from the nurses.
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They were both from the Philippines or Cambodia,
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something like that. They had a very poor relationship
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with the English language. Also, they were not
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really interested in helping me. I didn't realize
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I was in an ICU. I just knew I was in a hospital.
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I struggled to get up and get out of there. And
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they were really harsh on it. And then later
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when I became aware and talked to my doctor who
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was there, he said, well, if you'd succeeded
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in that, you would have ripped out the tubes
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and you would have died before anybody could
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save you. That's how it kind of petered out.
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And then the next day I was able to call my wife.
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I didn't know that they'd been able to get a
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hold of her, you know, from when I went. to the
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ER, but she knew what hospital was at and she
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talked to nurses. But I didn't know that and
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I was just desperate to get a hold of her, to
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tell her that I was okay and that when this is
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all done, I'd come back. Okay, now is the hard
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part of my job. I have to play devil's advocate
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for just a second because there are always some
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people that are skeptical. Some of them might
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say, sounds like a dream. Ned, you were asleep,
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you had a dream. I have dreams like that. Tell
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me how you know this was different than that.
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Well, for one thing, it couldn't have continued
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more than three or four minutes in the real world
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because otherwise I would have been brain dead
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from lack of oxygen. And as I said, the two doctors
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tried desperately to help me. One of the things
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they did was they put me on dialysis, but dialysis
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is a four or five hour treatment. And one of
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them doesn't just solve everything. And this
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had to turn around in a very short period of
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time or they would have had to pronounce me dead.
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Because if you go four or five minutes without
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oxygen, there's really not much left there. So
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I knew it had to be unworldly experience because
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I couldn't have just even done these things if
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I had to play out over the time period. Each
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one of them seemed like it was a big chunk of
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my life. weeks or months, maybe more. I mean,
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it wasn't just one moment's experience. Each
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one of them in their own way continued over a
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period of time. So when I came out of it, I couldn't
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have done that in a dream because, you know,
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there wasn't enough time. That makes sense. And
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you know from your doctors you were clinically
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dead. Yes. Yeah, twice. How does an experience
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like this change you? Most people are not the
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same after it. Do you feel like there's a sort
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of a NED 2 .0 going on now? How are you different?
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Well, in a number of ways. First of all, right
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after this I was inspired to stop working for
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corporations. Not that there's anything wrong
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with that and I was good at it and it was fulfilling,
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but I wanted something that would nurture my
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soul and not just my wallet or my ego. And after
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that first experience, the first one, of creating
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things in my mind and then giving them to others.
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I can't think of a better way of describing writing
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a book, whether it's fiction or non -fiction.
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And I write both. And I started working on projects
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I'd let go years before, bringing them back into
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life. And some of them have been published. But
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that was one thing. And I was helping people.
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With my creativity is helping people. And that
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meant something. Then the second one. I was living
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my life from a more positive perspective. There
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was nothing specifically memorable, but things
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were going my way because I was trying to help
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others instead of just helping myself. And then
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the third one, rescuing people, hostages, saving
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their lives, and then also being able to put
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it in, you know, on a TV show, which is, you
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know, a book in another format. So I was saying,
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okay, I'm gonna help people, I'm gonna save people,
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not in a spiritual sense, but in a physical sense.
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And then, you know, I'll tell the world so other
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people can maybe be helped the same way. So yeah,
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it changed my whole life. And now I work with
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people who are, you know, have a great idea,
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but they're financially strapped. And where for
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one client, it might be $3 ,500 a month. I might
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do it for somebody else for $1 ,500 a month because
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that's all they can afford. And I wanted to help
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them to bring their dreams to reality. For my
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time as PR and marketing and advertising, what
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I was trying to do was helping other people make
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their dreams come to life. I was promoting them,
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not me. And so then they were able to improve
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what they were doing and improve themselves.
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And that was rewarding to me emotionally. Bringing
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ideas into the world that hadn't been there and
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get helping other people to open their eyes and
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see how they can help themselves That's another
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time that I thought was you know, another way
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I was really doing it. So yes, my whole life
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changed It wasn't just dramatic on day one. I
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did this but after this my wife Fell and broke
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her back was in the hospital for six weeks and
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then another four weeks shortly thereafter I
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decided I'd get back into writing books because
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It's tough when you're married and suddenly you're
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alone in the house, even though you know she's
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going to be coming back and all that. It's just
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tough. And it was something I could do with my
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time, and I did, and that's when I really got
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involved in active and aggressive writing, both
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for clients and for myself. A few minutes ago,
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you referred to yourself as a believer. Do you
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mind telling me what that means? I'm a believing
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Christian. I try to live my life with Christian
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tenets. And when I find myself backsliding, and
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I find this usually with things like, you know,
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suddenly the clients dry up and I'm wondering
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how I'm going to pay the rent, praying to God
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that I was trying to do it all on my own and
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that's not going to work. I need your help. And
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I've always, you know, managed to have something
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come through that would help me achieve my goals.
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A number of the books I've ghostwritten for people
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were Christians who had specific beliefs that
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they wanted to share with the world one of them
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was on small talk Which said you don't want to
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waste your time with small talk. There's nothing
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really there. It's a trap It'll suck you away
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from leaving the light leading a life. You're
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supposed to lead I Don't know that I agree with
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that, but I I didn't disagree with it I was helper
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glad to help her achieve that all right two more
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quick things before I let you go one is How much
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fear of death did you have? prior to this experience?
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That is a wonderful, thank you, it's a wonderful
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question. I was afraid of death. I had not experienced
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it in my life. No, it had, I'd lost a son, so
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I had experienced that and it was traumatic and
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I wondered where he was and all this. I didn't
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know what was going on. My wife had gone through
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a near -death experience and I was there and
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helped pull her back. So quite a bit of fear.
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How about after this experience? I had no fear
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because I realized that my life, the energy that
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was me, not the body, but the energy that was
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me, was going to go on. It was going to transition.
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It was going to go on. After death, I live a
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new kind of life. It was kind of like the first
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experience. After the death of the world that
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I had known and I was in this great place that
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was floating around, I continued on. I was there
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and I was able to do things that I wanted to
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do. It wasn't like I lost all my opportunities.
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I talked with other people who were people of
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faith, and some of them sought that way. A lot
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of them didn't. They feared death because they
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didn't know where it was going. That exit situation
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where I needed to reach my wife and tell her
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I was okay, that was, you know, that was really
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trying, you know, that's spiritual. I may die
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someday. But I'll still be there. You don't have
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to worry about that. I'll be there. And then
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you'll die and you'll still be there and we'll
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be together. So yeah, it took away all that.
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I don't I'm not afraid of it anymore. I'm not
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seeking it out. I'm not eager for it. But it
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doesn't it's like it's just going to be I walk
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through a door to another room. Yeah, I love
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that analogy. Last thing, if there's somebody
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out there struggling today with just not having
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hope. in the future, or maybe they've lost a
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loved one, or maybe they've been given some real
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bad news today. What message of hope do you have
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for them? Without being evangelical, I'd say
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if you will go and read the book of Psalms and
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pray over each one, because some of them are
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going to be directly related to what you were
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trying to do. When my wife took her own life,
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I knew that she was in trouble for several weeks,
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but I didn't know it was going to be that far.
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But every night I would sit down and read the
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book of Psalms, and I would read them as if they
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were prayers, and I was changing them as I was
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reading them to reflect her particularly, to
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help her, to spare her. The answer to the prayers
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was no. It's not right. When she died, I was
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attending Episcopal Church in St. George, she
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came out to do last rites for Carol. after she
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died, and she said, I want to just tell you this,
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I felt no evil there. She was in desperate need
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and now she's in a better place. So don't worry
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about that. Yes, suicide is not the best way
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of handling things, but we're looking at it selfishly.
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We lost somebody in a shot, but God's had a better
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plan. So don't worry about it. If I was talking
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to somebody, I'd say, do that, read the Psalms,
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or if there's another book of the Bible you like,
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Read it and try to understand it and pray on
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it and you'll get help. If you ask for help from
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God, He'll give it to you. He's waiting. Again,
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I don't want to be evangelical. I'm not saying
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be an Episcopalian or a Mormon or what have you,
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but God's there for you if you're willing to
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open yourself up to it. And if you're really
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hurting, first of all, I'll pray for them, but
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I'll also encourage them to pray for themselves.
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because if they embrace that, that's a direct
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pipeline. If I pray for them, it's an indirect
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pipeline, and they're not actively involved in
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it, so it may be harder for that to help them.
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Ned, I really appreciate your time today. When
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you go from a whole bunch of fear of death to
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zero fear of death after an experience, to me
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that says everything. That says to people who
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haven't been through it, hey, get rid of some
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of that fear. Okay, you don't need it. You don't
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need to carry that with you. We can believe in
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what's coming next and that's okay. So anyway,
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Ned Barnett, appreciate it. Thank you. Eric,
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I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you. Thanks
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again for listening and sharing this podcast.
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next.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was
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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
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they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped
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and I could see people screaming and crying but
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I didn't realize that was actually my physical
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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing
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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute
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love and peace, there wasn't anything else to
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be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in
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the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe
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and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip
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Death, everybody. We're so happy that you're
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here and we're happy to introduce today's guest,
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Ned Barnett, coming to us from Henderson, Nevada.
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How are you, Ned? Doing fine, thank you. People
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are going to be so intrigued with your near -death
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experience. I promise it's different than anything
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you've ever heard before. We'll jump into that
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just momentarily, but before we do, I want everybody
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to get to know who Ned is. So you realize he
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is a real live human being. So Ned, just tell
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me a little bit about you. I have all my professional
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life. I have been a writer doing public relations,
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advertising and marketing for my clients or employers.
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And when I hit 65 and had Social Security coming
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in, I said, the market's not as profitable, but
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it's where my heart is. So I started working
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with authors. I have published 41 books. 19 of
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them were ghostwritten for clients who wanted
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a book, whether story told, but didn't know how
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to do it. So I've been successful at that. And
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it's been a real treat. Authors are very interesting
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people, not me necessarily, but the ones I work
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with are. And just coincidentally, my wife has
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her master's in communication and had been a
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book editor. So I started working with my clients
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through her. So the final books that they published
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were professionally edited, high quality. My
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wife and I have had a wonderful relationship.
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I've been married 50 years, but that took three
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marriages to do it. The first one. was a learning
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one and I made all the mistakes and you know
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if I could go back and do it over again it would
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have been a wonderful marriage. My ex -wife is
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a wonderful person. We've become friends, kind
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of bonded because our son's a little hard to
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manage and we commiserate on that. My second
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one was well she had suffered a number of tragedies
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and eventually wound up taking her own life because
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she was We'd lost a son, and she'd lost a son
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from an earlier marriage. She couldn't handle
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it. While we were together, she was being medically
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treated by a surgeon. She was getting eye problems.
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And he would put in, literally shooting her eyeball,
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a dye that would then, you know, he could look
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in and see what was going wrong. She started
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showing allergic symptoms and we told him that
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and he didn't change it. Then he gave her one
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more and she basically went into a near -death
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experience. That was my first exposure to near
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-death. She became psychic because of that. And
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I've not been a big believer in psychic, but
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she was able to wear things like she knew two
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weeks in advance. what the episode next episode
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of star trek next generation would be we're both
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star trek fans but she knew it in advance and
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told me we realize this we started writing it
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down and checking it out she was finally written
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up in a very prestigious paranormal magazine
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and it was called suddenly psychic because this
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near -death experience this is getting bizarre
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before we even get going. That's okay. We're
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going to have fun today. I want to hear about
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your experience. And this was just eight years
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ago. And I know you had sepsis. Could you tell
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us just briefly what led up to that to you getting
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so sick? Well, I had a bladder infection, a chronic
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one that kept coming back. It wouldn't respond
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to treatment. I had had some radiation treatment
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for a medical condition and it burned and scarred
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the bladder and that made it prone to these infections.
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And I was under treatment for it, but it wasn't
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working for a year and a half. And then one day
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it got really bad, which led to sepsis, which
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is basically a blood infection. So it goes everywhere
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and it can be fatal, as I quickly found out.
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And it attacks all your organs. So it's not something
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you want to have. So anyway, I was on my way
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to meet a client at the Starbucks in Barnes and
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Noble. because I was dealing with writer clients.
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I like to meet in a bookstore, just the right
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atmosphere for it. And I fell four times going
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from my car into Barnes and Noble. I said, this
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isn't right. So I just turned around, drove home,
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told my wife what was going on, and called an
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ambulance and rushed to the hospital. We barely
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got it right because I was in the ER and they
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were trying to deal with this when I died on
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the table. and they were able to bring me back.
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And then I died again, and these two doctors
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who were working on me thought they wouldn't
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be able to bring me back. I was dead and they
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were ready to, you know, call it, you know, code
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it, time it, and all this kind of stuff. Coincidentally,
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and coincidences play a great role in my life,
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these two doctors, they had been my kidney doctor
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and my heart doctor for several years. We had
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relationships. They knew who I was. And I think
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they were really trying because there was that
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bond there. They were doing things that made
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no sense, but one of them worked and they brought
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me back. So I survived both times. Months later,
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separately, I talked to each of them separately
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at my next appointment with them. And they said,
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you know, you died twice on the table. They hadn't
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told me this at the time. The second time, we
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didn't think we were going to bring it back.
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We tried everything and it just wasn't working.
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But apparently something worked. And so I was
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there. And that helped me to shape the experience
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I had because while I was under, while I was
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dead, I lived three different lives. And this
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would have been the second time because I was
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dead for quite a while. And this is the part
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that people are going to have a little bit of
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a hard time wrapping their minds around. I don't
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even know what to say. This is very unusual.
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And I want to break it out so that it's clear.
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for all of us to understand. Would it make sense,
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Ned, if we just start with out of the three lives,
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were they happening simultaneously? And let's
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start with number one and let's go through it
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and then we'll go from there. Does that sound
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good? Sure. They were not simultaneous. They
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came one after the other and they were very different,
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but each one had a focus and a message. that
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as I now understand, okay, I was dead when this
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happened. That really caught my attention. The
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first one, I was creating things from my mind,
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not like some science fiction weird thing where
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I could beam it in there, but I would come up
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with these ideas and I could create them and
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share them with other people. I wasn't doing
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it for economic gain. I was just sharing things
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with other people. I think this was an influencer
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on me changing my career path from corporations
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to individual writers that I could help one way
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or another. What was weird was I existed in this
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plane, but it was kind of a gray area. There
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was no ground, there was no ceiling, no walls,
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just floated around. Other people floated around
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too. And we were able to connect one with the
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other. in this realm and this is where I got
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ideas that I could then create and then bring
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them into physical existence and then share them
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with other people. Most part of it was it was
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creative, very creative, really excited me in
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this space and time and floating around was like
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being in outer space with no gravity except there
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was not even the appearance of like stars and
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blackness which is all light gray. That motivated
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me to want to be creative and to help other people
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benefit from that creativity. And so I started
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working with authors, either ghost writing their
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books or helping them write it or marketing it
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so it would sell well so other people would get
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it. And I got personal validation doing that.
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I made a living. It wasn't a fantastic living,
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but it was enough. So that was the first one.
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Can I ask you a couple questions before you move
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on to the next one? Was there anything else you
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wanted to clarify in that first one first? Well,
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it seemed like I lived a long life. I was very
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comfortable where I was. It wasn't like, wow,
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this is strange. I felt like it was really, I
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was really there. It was really happening on
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another plane. I lived in it. I don't know how
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long it went on, but it felt like I lived that
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way for years. It wasn't like a brief moment.
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And so I had experience with a lot of ideas and
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a lot of people coming to me. They bring their
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ideas to me that I can manifest into the world
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or they came to me and wanted one of the ideas
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that I had developed. It was a blissful, positive
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place and I was being able to work with people
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and help people and go forward with it. Have
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you tried to put any name on this place? Some
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people, where they go, they'll call heaven, or
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they'll call a void, or they'll call it something
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else. Have you done that? It would be a void
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more than heaven. I'm a believer. I'm not an
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evangelist, but I am a believer, and I was then.
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It didn't have religious overtones. It wasn't
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like in Revelation where you have you know, the
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angels and the believers and the thrones and
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all that kind of stuff. It was just this place
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of peace and tranquility. And it wasn't like
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there was no God, it just wasn't a factor in
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this experience that I had. And you're floating.
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Do you remember seeing anything? Was it light?
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Was there like an earth or planets? Or what did
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you see besides other people, you said? It was
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like I see other people. And things that I created
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were physical. And as I said, I didn't manifest
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them through my mind. I actually built them,
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assembled them, then say, here's how to do this.
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Anybody wants it, here it is. I didn't go into
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manufacturing them because I wanted anybody could
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take them and do what they want with them. That
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was it. It just didn't, you know, it wasn't like
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a production line. But these ideas you had were
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things that applied to earth life here. They
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didn't apply to some heavenly spiritual kind
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of experience. No. Interesting. The people that
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I saw who drifted into my realm of existence,
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there was no propulsion or anything. There was
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no way to walk. They were there. They were just
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like you and me. They looked dressed in normal
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clothing. They had personalities and things like
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that. They were real people. They treated me
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and I treated them like real people. But it was
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in a place where there was no competitiveness.
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There was no... negativity or hostility, it just
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wasn't like it wasn't possible in that place.
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I really hadn't thought about it until you asked
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that question because I only looked at it from
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from my perspective, which is why I was there,
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experienced it still. I didn't know what questions
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to ask. Are there any other adjectives you could
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put to how you felt? I felt wonderful. I felt
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relaxed. I felt creative, not in a competitive
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sense, but just in, you know, Here's something
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I can do. Other people were creative and they
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helped me with their, you know, things they were
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doing that I wanted to know more about her to
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do. It made me think that I knew what being in
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space was, you know, in that it was kind of a
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weightless thing. But it had, you know, it didn't
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have a sky and a planet down below or anything
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like that. It was just this white, almost dove
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color. You know, dove gray is just a soft white
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gray. Do you have any recollection of how you
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got there or how you went from this to experience
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number two? No, it just started and then it stopped
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but there was no sense of starting or stopping.
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I mean I was doing it and then it was gone and
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the next one started up, seemed to start up right
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away. Okay, let's go with that one. What happened
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there? This is the one that I have the least
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memory of because I think it was about My life
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as I was living it right then. And I was doing
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things that anybody would do in their normal
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life. I was resolving things that I hadn't known
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I needed to be resolved. But it was a normal
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place. You know, there was a floor, there was
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a ceiling, there were walls. You could look out
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the window and see the sunlight or the moon.
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It was a normal place. And I was doing normal
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things. But it wasn't as Ned Barnett. It was
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just... who I was then. So there's not a lot
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to remember there, but I think I was probably
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being shown ways that I can live my life better
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than I was because after all this was done, I
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was doing better emotionally, spiritually, and
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eventually physically when I recovered from the
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sepsis. So there's not much there to say, but
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it helped me improve my life. It helped me see
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things. Just as the... first one helped me to
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see that I had something to give to other people
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to help them in their journeys wherever they
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were going and that that was something positive
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and rewarding and that helped me shift my business
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focus to working with individual writers who
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had either they could write but not through professional
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standards or they didn't think they could write
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at all but they had their own compelling story
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to tell and I just for instance helped a woman
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in the Midwest who was running for governor of
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her state to do a campaign biography. It was
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actually an entertaining and informative autobiography,
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but I wrote it for her. Everybody needs something
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different. Yeah. But I can't talk a lot about
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that one because it really is not something I
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can stick really cling to. It was a transition
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from the one to the next one. The third one was
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the most active and most Interesting and you
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know to me in a variety of ways. I would like
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to move on to that one Yeah, give me all the
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detail you have I was in this third place and
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it was like the real world But I was kind of
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a larger -than -life person. I physically manifested
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as about six five and not skinny Whereas normally
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I'm five nine and could lose a few pounds Anyway,
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I was in this place and I had two parallel jobs.
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They work together. One of them was I was a hostage
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negotiator. And if that didn't work, I would
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lead a SWAT team in to recover, save people who've
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been kidnapped or trapped, something like that.
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People in real trouble, you know, school shooters
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in the school, something like that. And I was
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there to go and resolve it. And this was a very
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active thing to be doing. very rewarding, but
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it was dangerous and it was crisis -filled and
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I was able to save people and that meant a lot.
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The other thing I was, was I was a reality TV
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program host and created a producer and what
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I did in this TV program was go in and rescue
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people. So as I'm preparing to go, you know,
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rescue somebody or grab a school shooter and
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stop the violence, Rather than just doing that,
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I was creating these TV episodes. I didn't care
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about the fame, but it was wildly famous. It
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was successful. And that's where people knew
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to contact me because they had seen me in action.
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So I would go in leading the charge to rescue
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somebody. Well, I have a microphone in my hand,
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you know, and a Steadicam, a guy with a Steadicam
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with me. You know, we charge into these places.
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And I had a crew with me, but, you know, I was
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the leader then. I don't know where the two come
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together except that I can have an impact in
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my life and I can also document it and share
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it with people so that they can see those experiences
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and understand them better. But it was a lot
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of fun. It was actually, I mean, it was adrenaline
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and all this kind of thing. In episode number
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three, or let's call it experience number three.
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Were you still in this floaty kind of place that
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you were in number one or was this more of a
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reality 3D kind of physical place? Reality 3D
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kind of place. You know, it could have been in
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Minneapolis at that, you know, the shooter who
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attacked all those children, you know, in the
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church that was attached to the church school.
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I wrote an article that was published today about
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that and about that one in Nashville, which is
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also a church school. It was published earlier
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today on American Thinker. But anyway, it was
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real. It was very real. If I tripped and stumbled,
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I would skin my knee and it would hurt. You know,
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I had all my senses going, and there was danger.
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You know, I knew the danger, yet I was, you know,
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I was not only willing to do it, I was drawn
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to do it. I wanted to save people, not in a spiritual
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sense, but in a whole life situation. I was...
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people who were being held hostage were liberated
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and freed and able to get, you know, the physical
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health and mental health they'd need because
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those things do scar people. But then I go into,
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you know, it was a lot of glory. I went on to
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do the next one. And when I was doing the ones
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for, you know, TV, as soon as it was resolved,
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I would go and edit the videotape. And as a professional
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journalist in early life, I used to do weekend
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camera work for Channel 10, Columbia, South Carolina.
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And they'd send me out with a camera and I'd
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find something and shoot it and then rush back
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to the studio, you know, have it developed while
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I wrote the script for it. And then the newscaster
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would read it on the six o 'clock news. It was
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that kind of reality. but larger than life. Tell
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me was there a time when this experience you
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felt like it ended somehow? Like some people
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feel in their NDE like they're out of their body
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and all of a sudden they're put back in their
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body. How did yours end? That's a great question.
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You know in our exchange earlier I forgot to
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mention this. There was a time before the first
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one started where I was in a room but I was trying
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to help people being stymied by it. But what
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I remember was there was this really unusual
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pattern in the ceiling in this room of big rectangular
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white spaces and really vivid black spaces. And
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it was haunting me. It was, it was, I couldn't
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understand what it was, but it was haunting me.
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People were chasing me. I was trying to hide
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from them and I needed to get back to my wife.
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Those were the things I remembered in this time
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frame. I was driven to try to get a hold of my
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wife, tell her I was okay. And I was also hiding
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from people who I did not want to have to deal
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with. They were a threat and I didn't want to
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go there. That led me into this empty space.
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It was a transition. That was where I went from
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the world into this place. And I had the idea
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that I was in a hotel. that had convention hotel.
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I don't know why I thought that, but that was
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it. There were people at the convention that
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were there to do me harm. So I wanted to stay
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away from them. But I really needed to get a
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hold of my wife. And then when I came out of
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the third one, I was back into that kind of a
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space. And I was still trying to get a hold of
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my wife. And I realized that I was like 41 miles
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away from her. I was in a specific part of the
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Las Vegas Valley, and to get from there to where
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she was, 41 miles away, and I had to get out
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of this hotel, and if I couldn't find a car,
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I'd walk. I had to do whatever I could to get
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a hold of her. When I finally came out of all
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of this, I realized it was not a hotel. It was
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the ICU of the hospital I was in. I didn't know
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this at all at first. As it was ending at the
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other end, as I started coming out of it, I realized
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that I was in a hospital. It finally dawned on
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me that I was not in a hotel. I was in a hospital.
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But I still had this overwhelming need to go
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and contact my wife. And I asked the nurses,
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give me a phone. I got to call my wife. And they
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said, no, no, we're not gonna do that. We don't
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have phones in this room and we're not gonna
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do that. And I thought and struggled to get out
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of there. So I could find a phone somewhere in
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the building and call her just to tell her I
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was okay. I didn't learn it from the nurses.
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They were both from the Philippines or Cambodia,
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something like that. They had a very poor relationship
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with the English language. Also, they were not
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really interested in helping me. I didn't realize
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I was in an ICU. I just knew I was in a hospital.
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I struggled to get up and get out of there. And
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they were really harsh on it. And then later
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when I became aware and talked to my doctor who
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was there, he said, well, if you'd succeeded
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in that, you would have ripped out the tubes
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and you would have died before anybody could
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save you. That's how it kind of petered out.
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And then the next day I was able to call my wife.
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I didn't know that they'd been able to get a
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hold of her, you know, from when I went. to the
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ER, but she knew what hospital was at and she
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talked to nurses. But I didn't know that and
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I was just desperate to get a hold of her, to
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tell her that I was okay and that when this is
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all done, I'd come back. Okay, now is the hard
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part of my job. I have to play devil's advocate
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for just a second because there are always some
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people that are skeptical. Some of them might
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say, sounds like a dream. Ned, you were asleep,
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you had a dream. I have dreams like that. Tell
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me how you know this was different than that.
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Well, for one thing, it couldn't have continued
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more than three or four minutes in the real world
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because otherwise I would have been brain dead
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from lack of oxygen. And as I said, the two doctors
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tried desperately to help me. One of the things
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they did was they put me on dialysis, but dialysis
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is a four or five hour treatment. And one of
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them doesn't just solve everything. And this
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had to turn around in a very short period of
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time or they would have had to pronounce me dead.
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Because if you go four or five minutes without
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oxygen, there's really not much left there. So
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I knew it had to be unworldly experience because
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I couldn't have just even done these things if
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I had to play out over the time period. Each
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one of them seemed like it was a big chunk of
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my life. weeks or months, maybe more. I mean,
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it wasn't just one moment's experience. Each
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one of them in their own way continued over a
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period of time. So when I came out of it, I couldn't
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have done that in a dream because, you know,
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there wasn't enough time. That makes sense. And
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you know from your doctors you were clinically
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dead. Yes. Yeah, twice. How does an experience
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like this change you? Most people are not the
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same after it. Do you feel like there's a sort
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of a NED 2 .0 going on now? How are you different?
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Well, in a number of ways. First of all, right
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after this I was inspired to stop working for
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corporations. Not that there's anything wrong
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with that and I was good at it and it was fulfilling,
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but I wanted something that would nurture my
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soul and not just my wallet or my ego. And after
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that first experience, the first one, of creating
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things in my mind and then giving them to others.
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I can't think of a better way of describing writing
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a book, whether it's fiction or non -fiction.
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And I write both. And I started working on projects
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I'd let go years before, bringing them back into
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life. And some of them have been published. But
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that was one thing. And I was helping people.
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With my creativity is helping people. And that
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meant something. Then the second one. I was living
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my life from a more positive perspective. There
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was nothing specifically memorable, but things
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were going my way because I was trying to help
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others instead of just helping myself. And then
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the third one, rescuing people, hostages, saving
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their lives, and then also being able to put
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it in, you know, on a TV show, which is, you
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know, a book in another format. So I was saying,
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okay, I'm gonna help people, I'm gonna save people,
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not in a spiritual sense, but in a physical sense.
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And then, you know, I'll tell the world so other
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people can maybe be helped the same way. So yeah,
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it changed my whole life. And now I work with
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people who are, you know, have a great idea,
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.460
but they're financially strapped. And where for
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one client, it might be $3 ,500 a month. I might
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do it for somebody else for $1 ,500 a month because
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that's all they can afford. And I wanted to help
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them to bring their dreams to reality. For my
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time as PR and marketing and advertising, what
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I was trying to do was helping other people make
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their dreams come to life. I was promoting them,
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not me. And so then they were able to improve
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what they were doing and improve themselves.
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And that was rewarding to me emotionally. Bringing
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ideas into the world that hadn't been there and
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get helping other people to open their eyes and
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see how they can help themselves That's another
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time that I thought was you know, another way
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I was really doing it. So yes, my whole life
00:27:16.410 --> 00:27:18.950
changed It wasn't just dramatic on day one. I
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did this but after this my wife Fell and broke
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her back was in the hospital for six weeks and
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then another four weeks shortly thereafter I
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decided I'd get back into writing books because
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It's tough when you're married and suddenly you're
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alone in the house, even though you know she's
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going to be coming back and all that. It's just
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tough. And it was something I could do with my
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time, and I did, and that's when I really got
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involved in active and aggressive writing, both
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for clients and for myself. A few minutes ago,
00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:54.920
you referred to yourself as a believer. Do you
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mind telling me what that means? I'm a believing
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Christian. I try to live my life with Christian
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tenets. And when I find myself backsliding, and
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I find this usually with things like, you know,
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.839
suddenly the clients dry up and I'm wondering
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.200
how I'm going to pay the rent, praying to God
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that I was trying to do it all on my own and
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.519
that's not going to work. I need your help. And
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I've always, you know, managed to have something
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come through that would help me achieve my goals.
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.420
A number of the books I've ghostwritten for people
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were Christians who had specific beliefs that
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they wanted to share with the world one of them
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was on small talk Which said you don't want to
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waste your time with small talk. There's nothing
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really there. It's a trap It'll suck you away
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from leaving the light leading a life. You're
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supposed to lead I Don't know that I agree with
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that, but I I didn't disagree with it I was helper
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:53.980
glad to help her achieve that all right two more
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quick things before I let you go one is How much
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fear of death did you have? prior to this experience?
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That is a wonderful, thank you, it's a wonderful
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question. I was afraid of death. I had not experienced
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it in my life. No, it had, I'd lost a son, so
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.680
I had experienced that and it was traumatic and
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I wondered where he was and all this. I didn't
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know what was going on. My wife had gone through
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.240
a near -death experience and I was there and
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.789
helped pull her back. So quite a bit of fear.
00:29:30.190 --> 00:29:33.990
How about after this experience? I had no fear
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because I realized that my life, the energy that
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was me, not the body, but the energy that was
00:29:40.029 --> 00:29:44.190
me, was going to go on. It was going to transition.
00:29:44.549 --> 00:29:47.490
It was going to go on. After death, I live a
00:29:47.490 --> 00:29:49.509
new kind of life. It was kind of like the first
00:29:49.509 --> 00:29:52.089
experience. After the death of the world that
00:29:52.089 --> 00:29:54.210
I had known and I was in this great place that
00:29:54.210 --> 00:29:57.460
was floating around, I continued on. I was there
00:29:57.460 --> 00:29:59.859
and I was able to do things that I wanted to
00:29:59.859 --> 00:30:02.779
do. It wasn't like I lost all my opportunities.
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.660
I talked with other people who were people of
00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:08.259
faith, and some of them sought that way. A lot
00:30:08.259 --> 00:30:12.539
of them didn't. They feared death because they
00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:15.740
didn't know where it was going. That exit situation
00:30:15.740 --> 00:30:17.279
where I needed to reach my wife and tell her
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:21.240
I was okay, that was, you know, that was really
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.660
trying, you know, that's spiritual. I may die
00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:27.759
someday. But I'll still be there. You don't have
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.539
to worry about that. I'll be there. And then
00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:32.299
you'll die and you'll still be there and we'll
00:30:32.299 --> 00:30:35.160
be together. So yeah, it took away all that.
00:30:35.259 --> 00:30:38.299
I don't I'm not afraid of it anymore. I'm not
00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:40.779
seeking it out. I'm not eager for it. But it
00:30:40.779 --> 00:30:43.460
doesn't it's like it's just going to be I walk
00:30:43.460 --> 00:30:46.539
through a door to another room. Yeah, I love
00:30:46.539 --> 00:30:49.559
that analogy. Last thing, if there's somebody
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.940
out there struggling today with just not having
00:30:52.940 --> 00:30:55.799
hope. in the future, or maybe they've lost a
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.839
loved one, or maybe they've been given some real
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.240
bad news today. What message of hope do you have
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:05.660
for them? Without being evangelical, I'd say
00:31:05.660 --> 00:31:10.259
if you will go and read the book of Psalms and
00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:13.039
pray over each one, because some of them are
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.519
going to be directly related to what you were
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.720
trying to do. When my wife took her own life,
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.119
I knew that she was in trouble for several weeks,
00:31:23.180 --> 00:31:24.779
but I didn't know it was going to be that far.
00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:29.420
But every night I would sit down and read the
00:31:29.420 --> 00:31:31.980
book of Psalms, and I would read them as if they
00:31:31.980 --> 00:31:33.900
were prayers, and I was changing them as I was
00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:36.599
reading them to reflect her particularly, to
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:39.480
help her, to spare her. The answer to the prayers
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:44.279
was no. It's not right. When she died, I was
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.000
attending Episcopal Church in St. George, she
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.980
came out to do last rites for Carol. after she
00:31:51.980 --> 00:31:54.720
died, and she said, I want to just tell you this,
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.519
I felt no evil there. She was in desperate need
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.319
and now she's in a better place. So don't worry
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.819
about that. Yes, suicide is not the best way
00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:09.700
of handling things, but we're looking at it selfishly.
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.680
We lost somebody in a shot, but God's had a better
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.960
plan. So don't worry about it. If I was talking
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.319
to somebody, I'd say, do that, read the Psalms,
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.200
or if there's another book of the Bible you like,
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:24.319
Read it and try to understand it and pray on
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:28.140
it and you'll get help. If you ask for help from
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:31.599
God, He'll give it to you. He's waiting. Again,
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.740
I don't want to be evangelical. I'm not saying
00:32:33.740 --> 00:32:37.279
be an Episcopalian or a Mormon or what have you,
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.740
but God's there for you if you're willing to
00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:43.619
open yourself up to it. And if you're really
00:32:43.619 --> 00:32:46.859
hurting, first of all, I'll pray for them, but
00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:48.779
I'll also encourage them to pray for themselves.
00:32:48.990 --> 00:32:52.349
because if they embrace that, that's a direct
00:32:52.349 --> 00:32:55.950
pipeline. If I pray for them, it's an indirect
00:32:55.950 --> 00:32:58.630
pipeline, and they're not actively involved in
00:32:58.630 --> 00:33:01.069
it, so it may be harder for that to help them.
00:33:01.470 --> 00:33:04.549
Ned, I really appreciate your time today. When
00:33:04.549 --> 00:33:07.269
you go from a whole bunch of fear of death to
00:33:07.269 --> 00:33:10.829
zero fear of death after an experience, to me
00:33:10.829 --> 00:33:13.509
that says everything. That says to people who
00:33:13.509 --> 00:33:16.170
haven't been through it, hey, get rid of some
00:33:16.170 --> 00:33:18.920
of that fear. Okay, you don't need it. You don't
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.700
need to carry that with you. We can believe in
00:33:22.700 --> 00:33:27.119
what's coming next and that's okay. So anyway,
00:33:27.380 --> 00:33:30.579
Ned Barnett, appreciate it. Thank you. Eric,
00:33:30.579 --> 00:33:34.299
I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you. Thanks
00:33:34.299 --> 00:33:36.660
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