Oct. 13, 2025
Mario's 2 NDEs - Near Death Experiences - Heaven, Hell & Saved By Jesus
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Dead 15 Minutes! At nine years old, Mario was declared dead at home after violent spasms and unbearable chest pain. His first NDE followed.
He describes separating from his body and entering a realm of tunnels and roads made of fluorescent, multicolored light, where he felt only absolute love, safety, and belonging.
Family had begun preparing for his funeral, but he revived within minutes, telling his father he’d wanted to stay “there.”
The years that followed were marked by poverty, bullying, and vivid encounters he interpreted as demonic—experiences that deepened his prayer life and sense of spiritual warfare.
Decades later, in 2016, after months of harassment and a poisoning that put him in the hospital, he says he died again. A nurse exclaimed she saw his “aura” leaving as monitors detached. During this second NDE, Mario reports first arriving in a heaven-like space and searching desperately for his late father; when he couldn’t find him, the scene shifted to a dark, sulfurous realm with hostile entities. This is know as a "distressing NDE" (near death experience).
How did this NDE end? A “gigantic hand,” which he believes was Jesus, touched his forehead and returned him to his body.
Though some relatives and others doubt his story, Mario insists the lesson is clear: become a kinder person, pray often, hold fame and achievements lightly, and know—at least to him—that heaven is real.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was
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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
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they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped
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and I could see people screaming and crying but
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I didn't realize that was actually my physical
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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing
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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute
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love and peace there wasn't anything else to
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be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in
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the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe
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and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip
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Death, everybody. We're going to have so much
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fun today with a really interesting experience.
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In fact, make it two near -death experiences
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that we're going to be talking about with Mario
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Quinones Ravalori. Please tell me I got that
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close, Mario. Very good. You did it better than
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Godzilla. All right. Thank you. I appreciate
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it. We're going to talk about an experience that
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happened to you very young when you were only
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nine years old, and then one that happened a
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little bit later in life. But before we jump
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in, I want to get to know who Mario is. Tell
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us just a little bit about you. Yeah, yeah. I'm
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Mario, and I'm the father of actor Tony. the
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voluntary best known for their role of Flash
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Thompson in Spider -Man and Zero Mustafa in that
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world -winning movie called The Grand Budapest
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Hotel. And I'm an author, an author, a publicist,
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and a singer or songwriter. And I love the arts
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and the entertainment industry. I have worked
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for Hollywood almost all my life, and I'm a biologist
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and a creative writer. I graduated from the Cass
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State University Fullerton here in California.
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Currently I live in North Hollywood, California,
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next to Burbank. Well, welcome to the show. We
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hope you feel comfortable. We're just going to
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have a nice chit chat today, a little discussion.
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So thank you again for being here. Let's just
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jump right in. I want to know what happened when
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you were nine years old. That's so young to have
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some kind of an experience. It was one afternoon.
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My dad took me to a corn field field that he
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had to watch out for the plantation that he had
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just sown. like a week ago, and then we went
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and sat next to a tall tree for shade. All of
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a sudden I felt a pain on my chest, and then
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I started to twist. My neck went around, my head
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actually went around my neck and it almost got
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to my back, and my chest bent all the way to
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my knee. My dad knew that I couldn't control
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the pain, and he took me in his arms and brought
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me back to the house. And once in the house,
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he put me in bed, and he went to the local town
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doctor, brought him home, and he said that I
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was going to die that night. And suddenly I died,
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and he gave me a shot. But he said, if he survived,
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then he's not going to die. He took my dad and
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then go back to my office tomorrow and then bring
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me back. And I give him another shot. Yeah, I
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died then and I went to this place. My brothers
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and sisters, my mom and my dad were praying.
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He had already come back from taking back the
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doctor to his office. And he was with me. They
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were praying and crying and everything because
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I was the oldest one. for my dad. And then I
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went to these places and I saw tunnels, light
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beams, fluorescent and different colors. And
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I stayed there for 15 minutes. And my dad was
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praying, like I said, but then all of a sudden
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I came back. I told my dad, why did you bring
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me back here? I did what? I want to stay in heaven.
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It was so cool and so precious. I'd rather live
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there than here. My dad, remember he said, no
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son, I never want you to come back. If you're
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going to stay over there, I just let you be there.
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It's just, that's what happened. And I'm praying
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for you. I love you son and whatever, but I know
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it's his God's decision. He's in control and
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whatever he wants to do. I came back and then
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I remember I saw the most beautiful thing in
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heaven and that it was light everywhere, colored
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lights, figures. And then, you know, I never
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saw anybody or any human being or angels or anything.
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I just saw lights, the sky full of light. And
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I saw trees and everything, but made out of fluorescent,
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bright lights. That's all about my spirit, the
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first spirit. Well, before we talk about the
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next one, are there any other details that you
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remember? And I don't want you to create any,
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but if there are specific things you remember
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about, for example, the lights, were they all
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white and bright? Were some colored? And you
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mentioned a sky. Give me a little more detail.
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The lights were colorful and they were like kind
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of beams, you know, the straight beams and then
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the curved beams of light and like tunnels and
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the roads made out of light that I wanted to
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get into, but I couldn't. And then it wasn't
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that long experience. I came back in like 15
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minutes. And then my dad was over there in bed
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with me when I came back. One thing that they
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told the townspeople was in the village, small
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village where I was, they informed the neighbors
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that I have died to go and attend for my funeral
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that was gonna take place that night. Yeah, but
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it did happen because I came. That's a problem
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when there's a funeral, but there's no dead person
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there. I'm so happy for you. Oh, kind of interesting
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that you said you didn't want to come back. You
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told your father. Why was that? Because it was
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beautiful, beautiful. At that age, I mean, I
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was a poor boy and people used to do, how do
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you call this? and make fun of you all the time
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and they treat you bad, okay? And they did that,
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all the neighbors, and so I was tired there because
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my dad was poor and I was, all my brothers and
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sisters were light skinned, you know, and my
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friends and my relatives, my cousins, and blue
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eyes and everything, like white people. And I
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was dark, so people hated me because of that,
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and they used to call me names. because of the
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color of my skin. So you were bullied. Is that
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the word you were looking for? Looking for, yeah,
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I was bullied all the time by children and by
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adults. And that's what got me so bad. It was
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the one time, it's not part of the going to heaven,
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but one time a guy named Jesus. He got three
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people to fight at one time. My dad told me,
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okay, I'm gonna let Mario go help you. I was
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like eight years old and help you in the fields,
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and I went with him. When we went to his field,
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he met three kids, one of those bully kids. He
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made me fight with three of them, and they beat
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me up so bad. I couldn't tell my dad, because
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if I told my dad, he would never believe me.
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So that's why I didn't want to come back home.
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Oh, I'm so sorry. So you must have felt safe
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there. Yeah, definitely. Do you remember feeling
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anything else? I felt the sensation that like
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I was protected. I was supported and everything
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was good for me. Everything was out of this world.
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I mean, you know, it meant everything for me.
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And they're just the lights, and the roads, and
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the trees, and everything. It was a different,
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not earthly things. So that was my experience
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in there. The first one, it wasn't that big,
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that long, and it wasn't that interesting. But
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the thing is, I came back to life, and I have
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done it two times in different seasons. and ages
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because it was big difference, you know. I was
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just a baby boy. And it took me two years to
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recover from the injury. They took me to a hospital.
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I was hospitalized for about three months and
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then discharged. But it was amazing. It was incredible,
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beautiful. Lights, everything, you know, work
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in color. Physically, what caused it? Was it
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like a heart problem or something else? No, they
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couldn't diagnose what it was. It was just that
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I had like a high temperature, a strong headache
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and pain on my heart. And that made me twist.
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I twisted around and my whole body paralyzed.
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My paralyzed is not like a normal body in a way
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that it turned my head back to my back and then
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my chest went down to my knee like that. Yeah,
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sounds very painful. All right. Did anything
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happen that's unusual between then and when you
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were 47 years old? Oh, many things, many things.
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Any that are related to the experience? Yeah,
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because from that time I started to be chased
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around by demons and by good things. I saw things
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all the time. I couldn't get up and get out of
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bed at night to go take a pee, to go to the restroom
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because I saw demons. Definitely I saw demons.
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And people increased my hate and bullying. And
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one time I was going to be shot. I was put there,
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a killer, one of those guys, bad guys, put a
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gun on my head and told me he was going to kill.
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And my dad was next to me. Many, many things
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happened. I couldn't go out anywhere because
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I saw devils and demons and everything. My dad...
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used to spank me so bad because he said that
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I was a coward. And I was afraid of nothing.
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It wasn't nothing. It was just my imagination.
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But I saw them. I believe you. Okay. Your experience
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when you were 47 years old is very unusual, too.
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Why don't you jump into that one? Sure. That
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time, my relatives, three of my close relatives,
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paid the hire that a professional criminal, a
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headman to kill me. He chased me for six months
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and he told me, he called me on the phone because
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he was giving my whole information and he called
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me all the time and every day and he told me
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where I was, who I was with. And he gaslighted
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me for five months and told me he was going to
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kill me. One time he told me that my God, my
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God wasn't going to be able to to save me, because
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his God was more powerful than my God. So I didn't
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know what, I thought he was joking. But the funny
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thing is that I have this brand in Hollywood,
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working for Hollywood, a casting director, famous
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producer and casting director. And then he impersonated
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him to get to me. So then he hacked. his computer
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and my computer. Every time that I called my
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employer to give me jobs in the entertainment
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business, casting the actual friend, he got to
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me and got back to me in his name, impersonating
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me, right? So I thought I was talking to my friend,
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but then something happened that he was sending
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me pornography and told me. If you don't get
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into pornography with me, I'm gonna kill you.
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And things like that. Forcing me. And so I ignored
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him. But I thought that he was joking. But on
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December 17, 2016, I tried to block it. To block
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him from the computer. And he found out, but
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he thought that I had done it personally, but
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the FBI got into the case. And I reported to
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the Inglewood Police Department here in California.
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And then they say, why the FBI? So it started
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to panic. And then the FBI told me that they
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were gonna give me protection for 70 years. 78
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hours, which is like a week in time, in days
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time. And he kept on pushing me and everything.
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But then the FBI told me that, and they went
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into all my electronic devices, phone, my car,
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my house. They found everything, cameras installed
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inside my house. So he did it on the 18th, on
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the 17th. In the morning, he did it. I went and
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I bought tea from a plant, from herbs. And then
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when he put the venom poison in the cup, in the
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pot, came back and took it and he poisoned me.
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But I found out that three of my relatives have
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paid him because they hired him all the way from
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India. One criminal professional from India,
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professional hit me. So he came here. He came
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in the FBI had. That's why the FBI got into a
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case because they found out that he was a terrorist.
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That he was an American or Hispanic. He was an
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Indian guy. So he poisoned me. On the 18th of
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November, December 18, 2016. and then they took
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me to the hospital. He had paid the ambulance
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drivers and everybody because he was connected
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with everybody. He had gotten a lot of money
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because he had money to pay off everybody and
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anybody. How I found out the ambulance took 45
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minutes to make it to the hospital, to the emergency
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room, a mile distance from my house? Impossible.
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in a logical thinking. And in the hospital, they
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took three days to put me in a room. And then
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I argued with the doctor. When I was discharged
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from the hospital, they didn't want to give me
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a report because they told me, you got a stroke.
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And I fought with the doctor. He said, no, I
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didn't got a stroke. I got poisoned. No, he says.
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And so they did the other studies that said,
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for a stroke, obviously, everything came out
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negative, right? Because I was telling the truth.
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I told the doctor, doctor, I respect you for
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your training, but you are not God. I know more
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than you. Because I was threatened, I was poisoned,
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I took the poison myself, so you don't know and
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you are not going to tell me anything. Because
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I'm not going to agree with you. But again, I
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respect you because you are a doctor. So did
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they do some blood tests to find the poisoning?
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No, they didn't do anything. They just went straight
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to a stroke. Because they say it's stroke and
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you're not going to tell me anything else. So
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was there a point that you actually died from
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this poison? Yeah, I'm going through that right
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now. So then on the 12th day, I was dying. And
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I told my wife, I'm going to die. And then she
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didn't believe it. She was with me in the hospital
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room. And then I was hooked to many, many cables
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and everything. And a nurse was what monitor
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to keep it 24 hours checking on me. And then
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I heard that the nurse said out loud, Oh, I saw
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Mario's aura coming out of him. It's the first
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time that I see that. So I died at that moment.
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And so I stretched my body and all the cables
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came off. So I went and I went to heaven and
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I was looking for my dad there. Couldn't find
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my dad. I spent a long time watching for my dad,
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calling him and everything. My dad had died.
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four years prior to that time, and no, I didn't
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find it. It was heaven, similar to what I had
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seen the first time. Then all of a sudden, it
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changed to darkness and the smell of sulfur,
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and I saw demons. I heard demons talking and
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taking me. They were going to take me. Yeah,
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and they take me to hell. So I spent over there
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and I saw a hill, and I was so afraid and everything.
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And then all of a sudden, a huge hand, and I
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mean gigantic, I mean that hand was incredible,
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big, huge. It landed on my head, on my forehead,
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and it brought me back to where I was. By that
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time, the nurse was already in the room. with
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my wife and told me, Mario, why do you try to
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commit suicide? And I said, no, I didn't do that.
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But I didn't want to argue with him. He said,
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yes. He says, promise me that you are not going
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to commit suicide again. He went back and he
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hooked all the cables back at precision to make
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the monitor work appropriately. and went back
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to the room to check on the monitor. Then I came
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back to the room and I saw the hand that brought
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me back. And from El Salvador, a niece of my
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wife called her at that moment and told her,
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we were praying for Mario and we saw a hand.
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They came out of nowhere and brought him back
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to the hospital room. I mean, coincidence or
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reality, I don't know. But what I saw, the hand
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that they showed over there too. At the same
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time that I saw it. So how does your family react
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when you tell them about this? My family, they
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weren't doing what I believe me. Obviously they
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thought because all the people told my family.
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that I was losing my mind, that I was going crazy.
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Let me ask you this. So you were in a hellish
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kind of place. How did you get out of there?
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Was it just the hand or did something else happen?
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So you went to heaven, then hell, and then straight
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back to your body? Yeah, by the hand. Yeah, that's
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very unusual. It's often the other way around.
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Yeah. And all my life since that time demons
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have chased me around. One time I woke up with
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a seal right here from here all the way to here.
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And then someone came and then they printed a
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seal. Very eligible. And it took three days to
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disappear. Back to my question a minute ago.
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Let me ask the flip side of that. Was there any
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kind of recollection of how you got from heaven
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to hell? Yeah It was just that I wasn't Remember
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when I was in heaven, I was looking for my dad
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every single where every single place I went
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places and I was calling him out by his name
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and Queen Queen Queen catching couldn't see him
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with a meeting And then they said, I might give
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up. I don't know what to do. I don't want to
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live here in heaven if I don't find my dad. And
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I couldn't find it. So I was thinking about that
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and thinking, thinking, and thinking, and thinking.
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When the demons come to me and they took me to
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the barren place, to the pit. And then it was
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awful. It was scary. And then I couldn't control
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myself until a hand came and broke me back. That
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was the transition from heaven to hell. Do you
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have any kind of thoughts as to what the hand
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was or who the hand was? To me, to me, I mean,
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to me it's Jesus. I'm a very, very spiritual
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person. I'm not a religious person. I don't believe
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in any religion. because I see many bad things
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in religions, but I'm a Christian person, consider
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myself Christian. Okay, I've been reading the
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Bible since I was six years old. I've been praying
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every single day about 10 times a day, sometimes
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even 20 times a day since I was five years old,
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thanks to my dad. My dad and I were best friends
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all his life and even now. He has died 12 years
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ago and I still miss him. And I still talk to
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him in my dreams. And when I pray and I talk
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to him and I feel that he's spiritually with
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me, helping me out. So that's why I couldn't
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live in heaven yet if I didn't meet my dad over
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there. That's why I guess that the bad spirits
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took me to hell. And I was in hell that there
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was a state I didn't want to be there either.
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And that's when the hand came in. The hand to
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me, again, is God's hand. No doubt about that
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in my mind, in my spirit, and in my thinking.
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And like I tell people, I'm honest. You want
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to believe it, fine. You don't want to believe
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it, fine. But I'm not going to lie to nobody.
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That's what I saw that's what I I led through
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in that problem tell nothing else if I made a
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mistake is by mistake But if you ask me I got
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answer answer everything Honestly, well, that's
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part of the hardest part of coming back is Some
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people not believing you Mm -hmm. I think that
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these experiences are always to teach use something,
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the person that goes through it. What do you
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think you were supposed to learn from these?
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To be a better person. Because I've always been
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a nice person and I have suffered so much. But
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I mean, because people have bullied me and everything.
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I've been poor and I don't have money. I don't
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have nothing. And I work every day. And I made
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my two sons famous, famous, if you say I'm famous,
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and they abandoned me. I mean, I was homeless
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for a lot of, for about five years, and they
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didn't have pity on me or mercy coming to give
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me a piece of food, people gave me food. And
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so that made me, that made me, all those things
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have made me different, a different person. You
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know, I don't care what you think about me as
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a human being, I don't think about what my children
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think about me. My mom, I hadn't seen my mom
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for about 20 years. No, my brothers, they disowned
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me and I don't see because I fear that they're
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gonna kill me again if I go with them. Okay,
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and then my mom made me a nice person, a loving
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person. You know, and it's not my day. I think
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it's not my day to go. Because remember one thing,
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that we have all the humans. One day all of us
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are gonna go. And we're not gonna take anything
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with us. All material things or intellectual
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things that we do. I have written like 10 books.
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I'm not gonna take that. I have written like
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40 songs. I'm a singer -songwriter. and not a
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good one, and I made my children famous. But
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that doesn't mean anything to me. But sometimes
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I ask myself, I said, why me? Yeah, sometimes
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I go that route with God, and I say, why me?
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Why I have to suffer so much? All I've done is
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help people and be nice to people. And I've been
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attacked. by humans and by evil spirits all my
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life, because I have. I'll be a liar if I tell
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you I haven't seen bad spirits, demons, because
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I have seen them, I have felt them, and they
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have pushed me, they have tortured me, and they
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have done awful things, tormented me, and everything.
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And I'll be a liar if I tell the world what they
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want to hear. No. I'm going to say what God has
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shown to me. Well, it's rough. Let's end on a
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happy note here, or at least a positive note.
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I can tell you're a happy guy too. You have a
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great smile, and you are someone who has actually
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had a glimpse of heaven, and most of the rest
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of us haven't. So for someone that may have a
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fear of death, or just really worry about what's
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going to happen someday, give them something
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positive about your glimpse of heaven that they
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can look forward to. Sure, that would be my honor.
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:27.000
Thank you for asking me that question. And I'm
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going to say it this way, quoting a little bit
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of the words of a person that you might know
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:36.309
and the world knows. I mean, he's so famous,
00:29:36.430 --> 00:29:39.170
he was so famous, he died some time ago, and
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his name is Billy Graham, okay, a famous one.
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And I'm gonna quote that, to need people with
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that, happy, glad thought. Okay, one time I heard
00:29:55.250 --> 00:29:58.109
him, I was listening to this episode of him,
00:29:58.309 --> 00:30:00.950
and he was saying, someone asked him, he says,
00:30:01.259 --> 00:30:05.680
Mr. Graham, have you ever heard or seen the Lord,
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God, Jesus or God? He says, no. God, Jesus never
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gave me that privilege. I never saw it. I felt
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it. But it's not the same seeing Him and feeling
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that person on me. And I said, who am I? Who
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:28.059
am I? I said to myself, who am I that you haven't
00:30:28.059 --> 00:30:30.539
given me that privilege? Because if I had...
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If I told you the contrary, I'm lying. And I'm
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not gonna lie, okay? Jesus has talked to me.
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God has, I have seen His face. I have seen those
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things. And I say, who am I in comparison with
00:30:47.190 --> 00:30:50.970
Mr. Billy Graham? He touched the hearts of millions
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of people, not in the United States, but around
00:30:53.410 --> 00:30:58.170
the world. And God didn't give him the privilege
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that has given to me to see him, to hear him,
00:31:02.390 --> 00:31:05.789
and to talk to him. Can you imagine? That's the
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truth. And so that's what I tell people. You
00:31:09.710 --> 00:31:13.329
never know, but when you see it, like right now
00:31:13.329 --> 00:31:18.869
I have this deadly vertigo and I'm at dissonance.
00:31:19.710 --> 00:31:22.769
Okay, I woke up, that's why my daughter, Hilda,
00:31:22.970 --> 00:31:26.980
I woke up. hold it all on furniture. I cannot
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walk, I cannot walk. I cannot stand up. But I'm
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.160
happy. I'm happy because especially when I do
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:39.720
these things, talk shows, and I say I'm gonna
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:43.920
speak the truth. Only the truth. If people believe
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:48.160
me, fine. If not, if they think that I'm a liar
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:53.299
and I'm a hypocrite, fine. But I know that I'm
00:31:53.299 --> 00:31:57.819
a liar. that I'm sticking to the truth. All right.
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I have one more last question. The last last
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question. Is heaven real? To me, yes. All right.
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Mario, appreciate you being with me today and
00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:12.559
opening up about all this difficult stuff. But
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I think we've learned something. Thank you very
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.940
much. You're welcome. Thank you for having me.
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It's been an honor to me too. to share my story
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a little bit. Thanks again for listening and
00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:31.559
sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit the
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then, I wish you everything good that you're
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looking for in this life and the next.
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From the time that they pronounced me dead was
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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
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they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped
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and I could see people screaming and crying but
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I didn't realize that was actually my physical
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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing
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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute
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love and peace there wasn't anything else to
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be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in
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the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe
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and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip
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Death, everybody. We're going to have so much
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fun today with a really interesting experience.
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In fact, make it two near -death experiences
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that we're going to be talking about with Mario
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Quinones Ravalori. Please tell me I got that
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close, Mario. Very good. You did it better than
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Godzilla. All right. Thank you. I appreciate
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it. We're going to talk about an experience that
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happened to you very young when you were only
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nine years old, and then one that happened a
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little bit later in life. But before we jump
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in, I want to get to know who Mario is. Tell
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us just a little bit about you. Yeah, yeah. I'm
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Mario, and I'm the father of actor Tony. the
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voluntary best known for their role of Flash
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Thompson in Spider -Man and Zero Mustafa in that
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world -winning movie called The Grand Budapest
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Hotel. And I'm an author, an author, a publicist,
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and a singer or songwriter. And I love the arts
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and the entertainment industry. I have worked
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for Hollywood almost all my life, and I'm a biologist
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and a creative writer. I graduated from the Cass
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State University Fullerton here in California.
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Currently I live in North Hollywood, California,
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next to Burbank. Well, welcome to the show. We
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hope you feel comfortable. We're just going to
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have a nice chit chat today, a little discussion.
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So thank you again for being here. Let's just
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jump right in. I want to know what happened when
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you were nine years old. That's so young to have
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some kind of an experience. It was one afternoon.
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My dad took me to a corn field field that he
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had to watch out for the plantation that he had
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just sown. like a week ago, and then we went
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and sat next to a tall tree for shade. All of
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a sudden I felt a pain on my chest, and then
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I started to twist. My neck went around, my head
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actually went around my neck and it almost got
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to my back, and my chest bent all the way to
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my knee. My dad knew that I couldn't control
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the pain, and he took me in his arms and brought
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me back to the house. And once in the house,
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he put me in bed, and he went to the local town
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doctor, brought him home, and he said that I
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was going to die that night. And suddenly I died,
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and he gave me a shot. But he said, if he survived,
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then he's not going to die. He took my dad and
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then go back to my office tomorrow and then bring
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me back. And I give him another shot. Yeah, I
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died then and I went to this place. My brothers
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and sisters, my mom and my dad were praying.
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He had already come back from taking back the
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doctor to his office. And he was with me. They
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were praying and crying and everything because
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I was the oldest one. for my dad. And then I
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went to these places and I saw tunnels, light
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beams, fluorescent and different colors. And
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I stayed there for 15 minutes. And my dad was
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praying, like I said, but then all of a sudden
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I came back. I told my dad, why did you bring
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me back here? I did what? I want to stay in heaven.
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It was so cool and so precious. I'd rather live
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there than here. My dad, remember he said, no
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son, I never want you to come back. If you're
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going to stay over there, I just let you be there.
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It's just, that's what happened. And I'm praying
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for you. I love you son and whatever, but I know
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it's his God's decision. He's in control and
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whatever he wants to do. I came back and then
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I remember I saw the most beautiful thing in
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heaven and that it was light everywhere, colored
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lights, figures. And then, you know, I never
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saw anybody or any human being or angels or anything.
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I just saw lights, the sky full of light. And
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I saw trees and everything, but made out of fluorescent,
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bright lights. That's all about my spirit, the
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first spirit. Well, before we talk about the
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next one, are there any other details that you
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remember? And I don't want you to create any,
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but if there are specific things you remember
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about, for example, the lights, were they all
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white and bright? Were some colored? And you
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mentioned a sky. Give me a little more detail.
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The lights were colorful and they were like kind
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of beams, you know, the straight beams and then
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the curved beams of light and like tunnels and
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the roads made out of light that I wanted to
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get into, but I couldn't. And then it wasn't
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that long experience. I came back in like 15
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minutes. And then my dad was over there in bed
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with me when I came back. One thing that they
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told the townspeople was in the village, small
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village where I was, they informed the neighbors
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that I have died to go and attend for my funeral
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that was gonna take place that night. Yeah, but
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it did happen because I came. That's a problem
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when there's a funeral, but there's no dead person
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there. I'm so happy for you. Oh, kind of interesting
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that you said you didn't want to come back. You
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told your father. Why was that? Because it was
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beautiful, beautiful. At that age, I mean, I
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was a poor boy and people used to do, how do
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you call this? and make fun of you all the time
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and they treat you bad, okay? And they did that,
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all the neighbors, and so I was tired there because
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my dad was poor and I was, all my brothers and
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sisters were light skinned, you know, and my
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friends and my relatives, my cousins, and blue
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eyes and everything, like white people. And I
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was dark, so people hated me because of that,
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and they used to call me names. because of the
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color of my skin. So you were bullied. Is that
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the word you were looking for? Looking for, yeah,
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I was bullied all the time by children and by
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adults. And that's what got me so bad. It was
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the one time, it's not part of the going to heaven,
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but one time a guy named Jesus. He got three
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people to fight at one time. My dad told me,
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okay, I'm gonna let Mario go help you. I was
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like eight years old and help you in the fields,
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and I went with him. When we went to his field,
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he met three kids, one of those bully kids. He
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made me fight with three of them, and they beat
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me up so bad. I couldn't tell my dad, because
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if I told my dad, he would never believe me.
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So that's why I didn't want to come back home.
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Oh, I'm so sorry. So you must have felt safe
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there. Yeah, definitely. Do you remember feeling
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anything else? I felt the sensation that like
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I was protected. I was supported and everything
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was good for me. Everything was out of this world.
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I mean, you know, it meant everything for me.
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And they're just the lights, and the roads, and
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the trees, and everything. It was a different,
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not earthly things. So that was my experience
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in there. The first one, it wasn't that big,
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that long, and it wasn't that interesting. But
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the thing is, I came back to life, and I have
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done it two times in different seasons. and ages
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because it was big difference, you know. I was
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just a baby boy. And it took me two years to
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recover from the injury. They took me to a hospital.
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I was hospitalized for about three months and
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then discharged. But it was amazing. It was incredible,
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beautiful. Lights, everything, you know, work
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in color. Physically, what caused it? Was it
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like a heart problem or something else? No, they
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couldn't diagnose what it was. It was just that
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I had like a high temperature, a strong headache
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and pain on my heart. And that made me twist.
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I twisted around and my whole body paralyzed.
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My paralyzed is not like a normal body in a way
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that it turned my head back to my back and then
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my chest went down to my knee like that. Yeah,
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sounds very painful. All right. Did anything
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happen that's unusual between then and when you
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were 47 years old? Oh, many things, many things.
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Any that are related to the experience? Yeah,
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because from that time I started to be chased
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around by demons and by good things. I saw things
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all the time. I couldn't get up and get out of
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bed at night to go take a pee, to go to the restroom
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because I saw demons. Definitely I saw demons.
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And people increased my hate and bullying. And
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one time I was going to be shot. I was put there,
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a killer, one of those guys, bad guys, put a
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gun on my head and told me he was going to kill.
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And my dad was next to me. Many, many things
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happened. I couldn't go out anywhere because
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I saw devils and demons and everything. My dad...
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used to spank me so bad because he said that
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I was a coward. And I was afraid of nothing.
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It wasn't nothing. It was just my imagination.
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But I saw them. I believe you. Okay. Your experience
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when you were 47 years old is very unusual, too.
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Why don't you jump into that one? Sure. That
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time, my relatives, three of my close relatives,
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paid the hire that a professional criminal, a
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headman to kill me. He chased me for six months
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and he told me, he called me on the phone because
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he was giving my whole information and he called
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me all the time and every day and he told me
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where I was, who I was with. And he gaslighted
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me for five months and told me he was going to
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kill me. One time he told me that my God, my
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God wasn't going to be able to to save me, because
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his God was more powerful than my God. So I didn't
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know what, I thought he was joking. But the funny
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thing is that I have this brand in Hollywood,
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working for Hollywood, a casting director, famous
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producer and casting director. And then he impersonated
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him to get to me. So then he hacked. his computer
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and my computer. Every time that I called my
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employer to give me jobs in the entertainment
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business, casting the actual friend, he got to
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me and got back to me in his name, impersonating
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me, right? So I thought I was talking to my friend,
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but then something happened that he was sending
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me pornography and told me. If you don't get
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into pornography with me, I'm gonna kill you.
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And things like that. Forcing me. And so I ignored
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him. But I thought that he was joking. But on
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December 17, 2016, I tried to block it. To block
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him from the computer. And he found out, but
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he thought that I had done it personally, but
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the FBI got into the case. And I reported to
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the Inglewood Police Department here in California.
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And then they say, why the FBI? So it started
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to panic. And then the FBI told me that they
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were gonna give me protection for 70 years. 78
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hours, which is like a week in time, in days
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time. And he kept on pushing me and everything.
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But then the FBI told me that, and they went
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into all my electronic devices, phone, my car,
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my house. They found everything, cameras installed
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inside my house. So he did it on the 18th, on
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the 17th. In the morning, he did it. I went and
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I bought tea from a plant, from herbs. And then
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when he put the venom poison in the cup, in the
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pot, came back and took it and he poisoned me.
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But I found out that three of my relatives have
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paid him because they hired him all the way from
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India. One criminal professional from India,
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professional hit me. So he came here. He came
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in the FBI had. That's why the FBI got into a
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case because they found out that he was a terrorist.
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That he was an American or Hispanic. He was an
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Indian guy. So he poisoned me. On the 18th of
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November, December 18, 2016. and then they took
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me to the hospital. He had paid the ambulance
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drivers and everybody because he was connected
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with everybody. He had gotten a lot of money
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because he had money to pay off everybody and
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anybody. How I found out the ambulance took 45
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minutes to make it to the hospital, to the emergency
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room, a mile distance from my house? Impossible.
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in a logical thinking. And in the hospital, they
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took three days to put me in a room. And then
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I argued with the doctor. When I was discharged
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from the hospital, they didn't want to give me
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a report because they told me, you got a stroke.
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And I fought with the doctor. He said, no, I
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didn't got a stroke. I got poisoned. No, he says.
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And so they did the other studies that said,
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for a stroke, obviously, everything came out
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negative, right? Because I was telling the truth.
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I told the doctor, doctor, I respect you for
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your training, but you are not God. I know more
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than you. Because I was threatened, I was poisoned,
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I took the poison myself, so you don't know and
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you are not going to tell me anything. Because
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I'm not going to agree with you. But again, I
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respect you because you are a doctor. So did
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they do some blood tests to find the poisoning?
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No, they didn't do anything. They just went straight
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to a stroke. Because they say it's stroke and
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you're not going to tell me anything else. So
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was there a point that you actually died from
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this poison? Yeah, I'm going through that right
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now. So then on the 12th day, I was dying. And
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I told my wife, I'm going to die. And then she
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didn't believe it. She was with me in the hospital
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room. And then I was hooked to many, many cables
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and everything. And a nurse was what monitor
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to keep it 24 hours checking on me. And then
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I heard that the nurse said out loud, Oh, I saw
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Mario's aura coming out of him. It's the first
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time that I see that. So I died at that moment.
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And so I stretched my body and all the cables
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came off. So I went and I went to heaven and
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I was looking for my dad there. Couldn't find
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my dad. I spent a long time watching for my dad,
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calling him and everything. My dad had died.
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four years prior to that time, and no, I didn't
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find it. It was heaven, similar to what I had
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seen the first time. Then all of a sudden, it
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changed to darkness and the smell of sulfur,
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and I saw demons. I heard demons talking and
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taking me. They were going to take me. Yeah,
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and they take me to hell. So I spent over there
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and I saw a hill, and I was so afraid and everything.
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And then all of a sudden, a huge hand, and I
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mean gigantic, I mean that hand was incredible,
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big, huge. It landed on my head, on my forehead,
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and it brought me back to where I was. By that
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time, the nurse was already in the room. with
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my wife and told me, Mario, why do you try to
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commit suicide? And I said, no, I didn't do that.
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But I didn't want to argue with him. He said,
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yes. He says, promise me that you are not going
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to commit suicide again. He went back and he
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hooked all the cables back at precision to make
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the monitor work appropriately. and went back
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to the room to check on the monitor. Then I came
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back to the room and I saw the hand that brought
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me back. And from El Salvador, a niece of my
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wife called her at that moment and told her,
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we were praying for Mario and we saw a hand.
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They came out of nowhere and brought him back
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to the hospital room. I mean, coincidence or
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reality, I don't know. But what I saw, the hand
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that they showed over there too. At the same
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time that I saw it. So how does your family react
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when you tell them about this? My family, they
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weren't doing what I believe me. Obviously they
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thought because all the people told my family.
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that I was losing my mind, that I was going crazy.
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Let me ask you this. So you were in a hellish
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kind of place. How did you get out of there?
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Was it just the hand or did something else happen?
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So you went to heaven, then hell, and then straight
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back to your body? Yeah, by the hand. Yeah, that's
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very unusual. It's often the other way around.
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Yeah. And all my life since that time demons
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have chased me around. One time I woke up with
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a seal right here from here all the way to here.
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And then someone came and then they printed a
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seal. Very eligible. And it took three days to
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disappear. Back to my question a minute ago.
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Let me ask the flip side of that. Was there any
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kind of recollection of how you got from heaven
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to hell? Yeah It was just that I wasn't Remember
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when I was in heaven, I was looking for my dad
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every single where every single place I went
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places and I was calling him out by his name
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and Queen Queen Queen catching couldn't see him
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with a meeting And then they said, I might give
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up. I don't know what to do. I don't want to
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live here in heaven if I don't find my dad. And
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I couldn't find it. So I was thinking about that
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and thinking, thinking, and thinking, and thinking.
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When the demons come to me and they took me to
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the barren place, to the pit. And then it was
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awful. It was scary. And then I couldn't control
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myself until a hand came and broke me back. That
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was the transition from heaven to hell. Do you
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have any kind of thoughts as to what the hand
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was or who the hand was? To me, to me, I mean,
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to me it's Jesus. I'm a very, very spiritual
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person. I'm not a religious person. I don't believe
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in any religion. because I see many bad things
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in religions, but I'm a Christian person, consider
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myself Christian. Okay, I've been reading the
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Bible since I was six years old. I've been praying
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every single day about 10 times a day, sometimes
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even 20 times a day since I was five years old,
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thanks to my dad. My dad and I were best friends
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all his life and even now. He has died 12 years
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ago and I still miss him. And I still talk to
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him in my dreams. And when I pray and I talk
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to him and I feel that he's spiritually with
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me, helping me out. So that's why I couldn't
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live in heaven yet if I didn't meet my dad over
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there. That's why I guess that the bad spirits
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took me to hell. And I was in hell that there
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was a state I didn't want to be there either.
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And that's when the hand came in. The hand to
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me, again, is God's hand. No doubt about that
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in my mind, in my spirit, and in my thinking.
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And like I tell people, I'm honest. You want
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to believe it, fine. You don't want to believe
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it, fine. But I'm not going to lie to nobody.
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That's what I saw that's what I I led through
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in that problem tell nothing else if I made a
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mistake is by mistake But if you ask me I got
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answer answer everything Honestly, well, that's
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part of the hardest part of coming back is Some
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people not believing you Mm -hmm. I think that
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these experiences are always to teach use something,
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the person that goes through it. What do you
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think you were supposed to learn from these?
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To be a better person. Because I've always been
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a nice person and I have suffered so much. But
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I mean, because people have bullied me and everything.
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I've been poor and I don't have money. I don't
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have nothing. And I work every day. And I made
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my two sons famous, famous, if you say I'm famous,
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and they abandoned me. I mean, I was homeless
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for a lot of, for about five years, and they
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didn't have pity on me or mercy coming to give
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me a piece of food, people gave me food. And
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so that made me, that made me, all those things
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have made me different, a different person. You
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know, I don't care what you think about me as
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a human being, I don't think about what my children
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think about me. My mom, I hadn't seen my mom
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for about 20 years. No, my brothers, they disowned
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me and I don't see because I fear that they're
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gonna kill me again if I go with them. Okay,
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and then my mom made me a nice person, a loving
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person. You know, and it's not my day. I think
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it's not my day to go. Because remember one thing,
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that we have all the humans. One day all of us
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are gonna go. And we're not gonna take anything
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with us. All material things or intellectual
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things that we do. I have written like 10 books.
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I'm not gonna take that. I have written like
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40 songs. I'm a singer -songwriter. and not a
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good one, and I made my children famous. But
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that doesn't mean anything to me. But sometimes
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I ask myself, I said, why me? Yeah, sometimes
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I go that route with God, and I say, why me?
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Why I have to suffer so much? All I've done is
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help people and be nice to people. And I've been
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attacked. by humans and by evil spirits all my
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life, because I have. I'll be a liar if I tell
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you I haven't seen bad spirits, demons, because
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I have seen them, I have felt them, and they
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have pushed me, they have tortured me, and they
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have done awful things, tormented me, and everything.
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And I'll be a liar if I tell the world what they
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want to hear. No. I'm going to say what God has
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shown to me. Well, it's rough. Let's end on a
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happy note here, or at least a positive note.
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I can tell you're a happy guy too. You have a
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great smile, and you are someone who has actually
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had a glimpse of heaven, and most of the rest
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of us haven't. So for someone that may have a
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fear of death, or just really worry about what's
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going to happen someday, give them something
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positive about your glimpse of heaven that they
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can look forward to. Sure, that would be my honor.
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Thank you for asking me that question. And I'm
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going to say it this way, quoting a little bit
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of the words of a person that you might know
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and the world knows. I mean, he's so famous,
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he was so famous, he died some time ago, and
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his name is Billy Graham, okay, a famous one.
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And I'm gonna quote that, to need people with
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that, happy, glad thought. Okay, one time I heard
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him, I was listening to this episode of him,
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and he was saying, someone asked him, he says,
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Mr. Graham, have you ever heard or seen the Lord,
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God, Jesus or God? He says, no. God, Jesus never
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gave me that privilege. I never saw it. I felt
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it. But it's not the same seeing Him and feeling
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that person on me. And I said, who am I? Who
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am I? I said to myself, who am I that you haven't
00:30:28.059 --> 00:30:30.539
given me that privilege? Because if I had...
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If I told you the contrary, I'm lying. And I'm
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not gonna lie, okay? Jesus has talked to me.
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God has, I have seen His face. I have seen those
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things. And I say, who am I in comparison with
00:30:47.190 --> 00:30:50.970
Mr. Billy Graham? He touched the hearts of millions
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of people, not in the United States, but around
00:30:53.410 --> 00:30:58.170
the world. And God didn't give him the privilege
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that has given to me to see him, to hear him,
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and to talk to him. Can you imagine? That's the
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truth. And so that's what I tell people. You
00:31:09.710 --> 00:31:13.329
never know, but when you see it, like right now
00:31:13.329 --> 00:31:18.869
I have this deadly vertigo and I'm at dissonance.
00:31:19.710 --> 00:31:22.769
Okay, I woke up, that's why my daughter, Hilda,
00:31:22.970 --> 00:31:26.980
I woke up. hold it all on furniture. I cannot
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walk, I cannot walk. I cannot stand up. But I'm
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.160
happy. I'm happy because especially when I do
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:39.720
these things, talk shows, and I say I'm gonna
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:43.920
speak the truth. Only the truth. If people believe
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:48.160
me, fine. If not, if they think that I'm a liar
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:53.299
and I'm a hypocrite, fine. But I know that I'm
00:31:53.299 --> 00:31:57.819
a liar. that I'm sticking to the truth. All right.
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I have one more last question. The last last
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question. Is heaven real? To me, yes. All right.
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Mario, appreciate you being with me today and
00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:12.559
opening up about all this difficult stuff. But
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I think we've learned something. Thank you very
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.940
much. You're welcome. Thank you for having me.
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It's been an honor to me too. to share my story
00:32:23.140 --> 00:32:29.220
a little bit. Thanks again for listening and
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