"Jesus Took Me By The Hand" - Marilynn's NDE (Near Death Experience)

WEBVTT

00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669
From the time that they pronounced me that was

00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250
a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609
they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129
could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510
realize that was actually my physical body because

00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890
I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809
feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829
there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.070
greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

00:00:33.070 --> 00:00:36.890
home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

00:00:39.570 --> 00:00:41.469
Welcome, welcome everybody to Round Trip Death

00:00:41.469 --> 00:00:44.149
and I'd like to welcome Marilyn Hughes who's

00:00:44.149 --> 00:00:46.429
with us for the first time today. Good morning

00:00:46.429 --> 00:00:50.770
Marilyn. Good morning Eric. I'm so glad you reached

00:00:50.770 --> 00:00:54.030
out and we've chatted before about what happened

00:00:54.030 --> 00:00:57.140
to you and people are going to find this Absolutely

00:00:57.140 --> 00:01:00.560
fascinating. Before we jump into it, I want everybody

00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:04.019
to get to know you. Who's Marilyn? I'm just an

00:01:04.019 --> 00:01:07.799
old grandma with you. I have three adult children.

00:01:07.859 --> 00:01:11.120
I have two grandchildren. You know, I was raised

00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.819
in mostly Ohio, although I was born in California.

00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:19.099
I migrated to Colorado and I raised my kids there

00:01:19.099 --> 00:01:23.219
for 25 years. I live now in Arizona. I've been

00:01:23.219 --> 00:01:26.409
a writer. most of my life because in the beginning

00:01:26.409 --> 00:01:30.150
of my early 20s I started having out of body

00:01:30.150 --> 00:01:34.329
experiences which I began to journal. Loved the

00:01:34.329 --> 00:01:37.450
outdoors, loved the mountains of Colorado and

00:01:37.450 --> 00:01:40.590
now we have the deserts where I'm at now. I am

00:01:40.590 --> 00:01:44.390
now Catholic but I wasn't Catholic. before these

00:01:44.390 --> 00:01:47.290
things happened to me, the experiences that I've

00:01:47.290 --> 00:01:51.689
had have led me to become Catholic about 25 years

00:01:51.689 --> 00:01:55.819
ago in the Jubilee year of 2000. That's good.

00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.420
You know what, let's do this. Let's start with

00:01:58.420 --> 00:02:01.000
the near -death experience and if we have time

00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.299
maybe we'll get into some of the other out -of

00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:06.439
-body type experiences. I know that's a passion

00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:08.759
of yours right now and you have a foundation

00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.300
and we'll stick all that in the show notes for

00:02:11.300 --> 00:02:14.860
people that want to find it and find you. But

00:02:14.860 --> 00:02:18.120
let's go back a few years. Well this happened

00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:23.530
in 2003 but what led up to it earlier on? Well,

00:02:23.689 --> 00:02:27.169
shortly after my youngest child was born, I was

00:02:27.169 --> 00:02:30.330
diagnosed with peripartum cardiomyopathy, which

00:02:30.330 --> 00:02:34.210
is a pretty kind of rare complication of pregnancy,

00:02:34.610 --> 00:02:38.169
but I was diagnosed a little bit late. So I was

00:02:38.169 --> 00:02:41.469
in heart failure. And what that means with peripartum

00:02:41.469 --> 00:02:44.090
cardiomyopathy with associated heart failure

00:02:44.090 --> 00:02:46.949
is your heart's enlarged and it's not pumping

00:02:46.949 --> 00:02:50.729
right. It is one of the most cardiomyopathy.

00:02:50.939 --> 00:02:54.020
any form of it, not necessarily peripartum is

00:02:54.020 --> 00:02:56.379
one of the most common reasons people will get

00:02:56.379 --> 00:03:00.180
heart transplants. By the time 2003 rolled around,

00:03:00.419 --> 00:03:03.810
my heart was not doing very well. My doctors

00:03:03.810 --> 00:03:06.629
had suggested, based on some of the testing they

00:03:06.629 --> 00:03:10.830
had done and my symptomology, that they should

00:03:10.830 --> 00:03:13.710
do a cardiac catheterization. They were gonna

00:03:13.710 --> 00:03:15.930
have a chopper standing by, because I lived in

00:03:15.930 --> 00:03:18.289
the mountains of Colorado, and they were gonna

00:03:18.289 --> 00:03:23.129
send me up to the University of Colorado in Denver.

00:03:23.530 --> 00:03:27.270
where I'd been a few times and they would take

00:03:27.270 --> 00:03:29.550
it from there. That's where they did the transplanting.

00:03:29.550 --> 00:03:31.610
They had a transplant hospital up there and I'd

00:03:31.610 --> 00:03:34.550
been up there and been typed out before. And

00:03:34.550 --> 00:03:36.509
this is what they were going to do. That was

00:03:36.509 --> 00:03:40.169
the plan. And so the night before I was supposed

00:03:40.169 --> 00:03:43.990
to go in for the procedure, I had some kind of

00:03:43.990 --> 00:03:47.169
an arrhythmia or something went wrong. And all

00:03:47.169 --> 00:03:49.990
of a sudden I was out of my body and I was standing

00:03:49.990 --> 00:03:54.659
before the dark tunnel. with the light at the

00:03:54.659 --> 00:03:58.699
end. I was very excited because I saw sitting

00:03:58.699 --> 00:04:01.740
in the light, my little dog, my little dog Joy,

00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:05.800
who was my terrier that I had for like 25 years,

00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.960
most of my childhood. And so I was so excited

00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.099
to see her because she was my little dog and

00:04:12.099 --> 00:04:14.819
hadn't seen her in a long time. And she was just

00:04:14.819 --> 00:04:18.439
very happy to see me, wanted to see me. So I

00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:23.129
was thrilled about that. went towards this light

00:04:23.129 --> 00:04:26.709
going down the tunnel. As I went down the tunnel,

00:04:27.470 --> 00:04:29.449
there were a few different things going on all

00:04:29.449 --> 00:04:34.250
around. There was the world was off in the distance.

00:04:34.250 --> 00:04:37.709
I could see it and hear it in the distance. And

00:04:37.709 --> 00:04:40.629
so I was up in space and I knew that because

00:04:40.629 --> 00:04:42.949
I could see the whole earth was like a round

00:04:42.949 --> 00:04:48.329
globe over there. And we were up here and the

00:04:48.329 --> 00:04:51.779
Lord Jesus had appeared. and he had come and

00:04:51.779 --> 00:04:54.100
he was wearing the robes of the Sacred Heart.

00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.939
It was beautiful. It was the white and the red,

00:04:57.220 --> 00:05:00.319
and he had the beautiful heart that he shows

00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.560
in all the images that you see, and it was much

00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:06.279
more brilliant, of course, than what we would

00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:09.660
see on Earth in our paintings and things like

00:05:09.660 --> 00:05:14.199
that. Off in the distance, you could see, you

00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:16.800
could not... I could not fathom them yet, but

00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.920
you could see off in the distance like these

00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.680
overlapping worlds. They were all, there were

00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.899
like many of them. I wouldn't say I could see

00:05:26.899 --> 00:05:29.379
infinities of them yet, but I knew that there

00:05:29.379 --> 00:05:32.420
were many of them from there. So now I'm walking

00:05:32.420 --> 00:05:35.259
down the tunnel. I get to the end of the tunnel

00:05:35.259 --> 00:05:40.519
and there's this pale light flowing barrier at

00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:44.519
the end where the light is. And I know I have

00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.779
had these out of body experiences throughout

00:05:46.779 --> 00:05:49.779
my life. I know that if I touch that light or

00:05:49.779 --> 00:05:52.259
try to go through it, that I will not be able

00:05:52.259 --> 00:05:54.720
to return. This is like a point of no return.

00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:59.300
And so I'm just thinking and stuff and I'm like,

00:05:59.339 --> 00:06:01.339
I don't know what to do. I really wanna touch

00:06:01.339 --> 00:06:03.560
it. I really wanna touch it. I wanna go through,

00:06:04.019 --> 00:06:07.639
but I'm afraid that if I do that, I have to leave

00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.500
permanently. And then I make the decision, no,

00:06:11.500 --> 00:06:14.370
I'm not gonna touch it. and I start turning back.

00:06:14.829 --> 00:06:17.110
And you had young children at the time, right?

00:06:17.370 --> 00:06:21.670
I did. My children were very small, so my youngest

00:06:21.670 --> 00:06:25.509
was probably about two. My kids were a little

00:06:25.509 --> 00:06:28.870
further apart in age just because of the way

00:06:28.870 --> 00:06:32.410
things turned out, so I had probably about 12,

00:06:32.449 --> 00:06:36.629
five, and two. And so I had younger kids. They

00:06:36.629 --> 00:06:40.629
all needed me. I'm walking back, and Jesus takes

00:06:40.629 --> 00:06:45.199
my hand and We whoosh up into the sky. He takes

00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.660
me beyond another barrier that I know I'm not

00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:52.160
really allowed to go past, you know, unless I'm

00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.860
not going back. But there's this sense that's

00:06:55.860 --> 00:06:58.560
given me immediately not to worry about it. It's

00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:03.259
all okay. Jesus is giving me some kind of permission

00:07:03.259 --> 00:07:07.399
for this. So now I am taken into these worlds

00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:10.860
that I saw just the outskirts of from before.

00:07:11.230 --> 00:07:14.089
I'm like literally traveling like with him at

00:07:14.089 --> 00:07:16.709
the speed of light, you know, through these worlds.

00:07:17.009 --> 00:07:19.410
And so all of these are like different spheres,

00:07:19.750 --> 00:07:23.050
realms, and each one of them has their own colors

00:07:23.050 --> 00:07:27.250
and their own energy and vibration and pulse.

00:07:27.350 --> 00:07:31.589
And they're all extremely beautiful. But I'm

00:07:31.589 --> 00:07:34.250
only, you know, whisping through them very, very

00:07:34.250 --> 00:07:39.129
fast with the lore. And then he brings me back

00:07:39.129 --> 00:07:42.980
to the front end. of where the tunnel was. And

00:07:42.980 --> 00:07:47.620
at the side of the tunnel is this, it's like

00:07:47.620 --> 00:07:51.639
an old fashioned stick thing. It's like a way

00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:54.480
to judge something, a way to meter something,

00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:58.420
but it's with sticks. So you know how we would,

00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.600
we still do when our children are young, we try

00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:04.920
to put up little things on the wall to gauge

00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.399
how tall they are, right? It was something like

00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:12.250
this, but there were sticks. And this was different.

00:08:12.329 --> 00:08:16.490
This was how do we gauge the development of different

00:08:16.490 --> 00:08:21.009
souls in relation to their selflessness versus

00:08:21.009 --> 00:08:25.329
selfishness. When the stick was at the ground,

00:08:25.470 --> 00:08:28.490
that meant that they were totally engrossed in

00:08:28.490 --> 00:08:32.370
selfishness. And as it moved up, the soul was

00:08:32.370 --> 00:08:36.169
cultivating selflessness and more selflessness.

00:08:36.490 --> 00:08:39.309
And there was a level that was about waist high,

00:08:39.450 --> 00:08:41.750
which is what we needed to achieve in the earthly

00:08:41.750 --> 00:08:45.370
sphere in order to kind of complete our lessons

00:08:45.370 --> 00:08:49.809
here and move on to the next level. And so the

00:08:49.809 --> 00:08:52.269
Lord showed me different things about people

00:08:52.269 --> 00:08:55.690
in my life and how some of them did struggle

00:08:55.690 --> 00:08:59.250
a lot with this selfishness, but he showed me

00:08:59.250 --> 00:09:02.559
that my... My stick was in a good place that

00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:07.100
allowed me, if I wished, to leave at this time.

00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.120
That I could go if I wanted, but I could also,

00:09:10.779 --> 00:09:13.899
I could go, you know, leave the planet, or I

00:09:13.899 --> 00:09:18.080
could stay. It was kind of up to me. And then

00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.879
he directed my attention to the world, which

00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.299
was back here. So the world, the big blue -white

00:09:25.299 --> 00:09:29.179
planet over here. And as he directed my attention

00:09:29.179 --> 00:09:34.720
to the planet, I heard these shrieks, screams

00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:39.980
and people just yelling at each other and complaining

00:09:39.980 --> 00:09:45.519
and just, it was this horrible sound. It was

00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.539
terrible. It was this sound of like, I guess

00:09:48.539 --> 00:09:52.120
you could call it cacophony. It was the sound

00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:56.500
of souls that were in such inner discord that

00:09:57.330 --> 00:10:01.769
They were there. Because this was what this realm

00:10:01.769 --> 00:10:07.049
served. It was kind of like a bathtub for selfishness.

00:10:08.210 --> 00:10:10.129
They're trying to work it out of their souls,

00:10:10.149 --> 00:10:13.970
right? It's a mortal realm. And we had to work

00:10:13.970 --> 00:10:16.509
out that good and evil, that light and darkness

00:10:16.509 --> 00:10:19.690
within each of ourselves in this realm. So I

00:10:19.690 --> 00:10:22.830
could hear this cacophony. And the Lord said

00:10:22.830 --> 00:10:26.389
to me, as he walked me over, standing in front

00:10:26.389 --> 00:10:31.519
of that tunnel of light again. He said, if you

00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:36.639
go back, that will not change. You cannot change

00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:40.299
that. That world serves its purpose to perfection.

00:10:40.940 --> 00:10:44.620
You can't fix it, but it's still your choice.

00:10:45.179 --> 00:10:49.059
And I said to him, well, as long as I have a

00:10:49.059 --> 00:10:51.539
choice, I have to go back because I have three

00:10:51.539 --> 00:10:55.399
young children. And so I will go back Lord. and

00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:59.340
he nodded in agreement. And he said to me, he

00:10:59.340 --> 00:11:02.639
said, then I want you to go back and pray to

00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.340
receive a heart transplant. And at that moment,

00:11:06.340 --> 00:11:09.659
I got very kind of pensive and uncomfortable

00:11:09.659 --> 00:11:12.860
and I thought for a few moments. And then I just

00:11:12.860 --> 00:11:15.519
said to him, I said, I'm sorry, Lord, I cannot

00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:20.879
do that. But what I will do is I will go back

00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.820
and I will do the best that I can. with my heart,

00:11:24.940 --> 00:11:27.159
the one that I've got, the one that you gave

00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:31.299
me, and I will pray that the person who's perfectly

00:11:31.299 --> 00:11:33.919
healthy, who would have to die to give me a new

00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:39.179
heart, is spared." And all got silent. It was

00:11:39.179 --> 00:11:42.759
all a rush of silence. It's like, you know, when

00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.120
you hear that word, like in scripture or something,

00:11:46.179 --> 00:11:50.799
you know, it was like... Everything was silent

00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:55.789
for just a minute. And then he said, I grant

00:11:55.789 --> 00:12:00.549
that. Very quietly, he said, I grant that. And

00:12:00.549 --> 00:12:04.490
then he quietly took my hand. And I was so honored

00:12:04.490 --> 00:12:08.070
when he took my hand again. And then he lifted

00:12:08.070 --> 00:12:11.210
me up like in a whoosh, you can't believe. And

00:12:11.210 --> 00:12:14.629
we started flying me through space towards the

00:12:14.629 --> 00:12:18.210
earth. We headed towards what was like a way

00:12:18.210 --> 00:12:22.500
station. But in this way station, was similar

00:12:22.500 --> 00:12:27.919
to like a coffee shop bookstore type thing. We

00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.240
got there so fast, it was almost like and we're

00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.259
sitting at a table and he's talking to me and

00:12:35.259 --> 00:12:38.100
he's very intense. There's all these books around

00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:40.320
us, all these bookshelves of people who have

00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.379
written books. They're all spiritual books, right?

00:12:43.620 --> 00:12:47.840
And he looks at me and he says, I'm not going

00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:51.980
to heal you. I'm going to help you. and I'm gonna

00:12:51.980 --> 00:12:55.679
make good use of you for the time that you have

00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:59.500
left." And then he raises his hands like this

00:12:59.500 --> 00:13:03.320
to direct me to look up at this bookshelf that's

00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:06.659
in front of us. So I turn my head up to look

00:13:06.659 --> 00:13:09.899
up there and there's a whole bunch of books.

00:13:10.259 --> 00:13:13.179
And then he's trying to indicate, look closer,

00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:18.419
look closer. And I notice that on the binding,

00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:22.879
that my name is there as the author. And there's

00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.320
a whole bunch of them. And I'm a little bit confused

00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:28.500
by that because at that time I had written two

00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:31.740
books. At this point, it's more like it's becoming

00:13:31.740 --> 00:13:35.039
now more telepathic. So I'm looking at him and

00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:38.759
I'm thinking to Jesus, are you telling me I'm

00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.440
gonna write all those? How is that gonna happen?

00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:44.559
What are you talking about? What does this mean?

00:13:44.779 --> 00:13:46.919
You know, that's kind of what I'm doing, right?

00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:51.509
He just says, This he looks he points and he

00:13:51.509 --> 00:13:55.330
looks at me like this with this intensive gaze

00:13:55.330 --> 00:13:59.690
and Points at the books and I look at them again.

00:13:59.690 --> 00:14:05.169
I just say okay and Then we both go back But

00:14:05.169 --> 00:14:08.610
then he's no longer holding my hand. I'm shooting

00:14:08.610 --> 00:14:12.230
through space He's disappeared and I'm awaking

00:14:12.230 --> 00:14:16.309
in my body Alright, let's take a breath Okay,

00:14:16.370 --> 00:14:20.169
that was a lot I had 20 questions along the way,

00:14:20.210 --> 00:14:24.350
but I did not want to interrupt. Wow, let's break

00:14:24.350 --> 00:14:26.809
this down. Where do you want to start? What part

00:14:26.809 --> 00:14:29.669
do you want to talk more about first? It might

00:14:29.669 --> 00:14:33.409
be good to give the final part and then break

00:14:33.409 --> 00:14:37.309
it down, which was when I went into the catheterization

00:14:37.309 --> 00:14:42.289
and came out. Go for it. Okay, so then I had

00:14:42.289 --> 00:14:44.610
to hurry up and go to the hospital, right? We

00:14:44.610 --> 00:14:46.870
got the chopper on the hospital. We've got the

00:14:46.870 --> 00:14:49.990
doctor waiting to do the catheterization. And

00:14:49.990 --> 00:14:52.950
to make a very long story short, I go in for

00:14:52.950 --> 00:14:55.929
the catheterization. The plan is I'm going to

00:14:55.929 --> 00:14:58.509
wake up in Denver. They're gonna chopper me up

00:14:58.509 --> 00:15:02.490
there, right? But I wake up in the mountain town

00:15:02.490 --> 00:15:06.730
that I'm living in and I ask my doctor, what's

00:15:06.730 --> 00:15:09.490
going on? Why am I here? I don't understand.

00:15:09.820 --> 00:15:13.679
And he says, well, we don't really know what

00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:17.139
happened or how to explain this, but you know,

00:15:17.179 --> 00:15:20.919
your heart, it's not cured or anything, but it's

00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.620
significantly better than it was last week. And

00:15:26.620 --> 00:15:29.700
it's better enough that we don't need to send

00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:32.700
you up there. And so you're good. We're going

00:15:32.700 --> 00:15:34.960
to send you home and we're going to add this

00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:38.000
medication and we're just going to go from here.

00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:43.100
I knew immediately Jesus said I'm not gonna cure

00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:46.379
you but I'm gonna help you I knew he had helped

00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:51.179
me and that's Where it ended has that been the

00:15:51.179 --> 00:15:53.740
case ever since did you ever need the transplant

00:15:53.740 --> 00:15:56.860
or anything? actually what ended up happening

00:15:56.860 --> 00:16:01.039
was I went through 15 years of having the cardiomyopathy

00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:06.080
heart failure and then 15 years later my heart

00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:10.269
spontaneously healed which I've been told by

00:16:10.269 --> 00:16:13.509
many doctors is not possible. And a couple of

00:16:13.509 --> 00:16:16.429
doctors have told me, a couple of doctors of

00:16:16.429 --> 00:16:19.169
faith have told me that's actually a miracle.

00:16:19.649 --> 00:16:23.289
Yeah. Awesome. Depending on who you ask. They'll

00:16:23.289 --> 00:16:26.570
say, you know, a lot of doctors don't want to

00:16:26.570 --> 00:16:30.009
say that M word, do they? Right. And that's okay.

00:16:30.389 --> 00:16:32.669
Cause they're, yeah, they're just trying to understand

00:16:32.669 --> 00:16:35.960
it. And they did use medications. to get me through

00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.600
it. And you know the doctors were part of the

00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:41.879
miracle. They never want to ever forget or dismiss

00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:46.559
that they were part of that whole miracle. Doctors

00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:50.379
work miracles too. You know God uses them and

00:16:50.379 --> 00:16:52.860
so they were part of the whole thing. All right

00:16:52.860 --> 00:16:55.600
let's go back to the very beginning part. This

00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:59.639
tunnel you're talking about is unusual and first

00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.100
of all, well seems like I say this all the time,

00:17:03.340 --> 00:17:08.220
But no two NDEs are the same. We think, oh, there's

00:17:08.220 --> 00:17:11.779
a tunnel and you go towards the light. That really

00:17:11.779 --> 00:17:16.279
doesn't happen that often. Okay, so yours is

00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:18.880
really cool from that standpoint. But I don't

00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.359
really understand the tunnel, how if you're in

00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.380
some kind of a tunnel, you're also seeing the

00:17:24.380 --> 00:17:27.299
world and seeing Jesus and seeing all these other

00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:30.319
worlds. Explain the tunnel a little bit more.

00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.279
Was it like transparent or This tunnel had some

00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:37.259
transparency to it. And what's interesting, I

00:17:37.259 --> 00:17:40.180
can just go a little farther with that, you know,

00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.420
just to let the audience know that I've had the

00:17:43.420 --> 00:17:46.259
out of body experiences for 40 years. And so

00:17:46.259 --> 00:17:49.000
I've learned that there are a lot of different

00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:53.420
types of tunnels that people travel through in

00:17:53.420 --> 00:17:56.599
the mystical spheres. Quick break to thank our

00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.140
newest sponsor, Rula. How is your holiday season

00:18:00.140 --> 00:18:04.410
so far? If the stress has become simply unmanageable

00:18:04.410 --> 00:18:06.990
or if you're dealing with a breakup, death with

00:18:06.990 --> 00:18:10.190
a loved one, or any of life's bumps that just

00:18:10.190 --> 00:18:13.170
seem too big right now, it may be time to talk

00:18:13.170 --> 00:18:16.589
to someone, a professional therapist. That's

00:18:16.589 --> 00:18:19.430
where RULA comes in. It's simply a great place

00:18:19.430 --> 00:18:22.829
to get matched with the right therapist. In fact,

00:18:22.970 --> 00:18:25.410
click there today and have your first session

00:18:25.410 --> 00:18:28.549
as soon as tomorrow. And if you have insurance,

00:18:28.609 --> 00:18:31.529
they can make it really inexpensive. Typically

00:18:31.529 --> 00:18:35.309
just $15 per session. See what it's all about

00:18:35.309 --> 00:18:38.670
at RULA .com forward slash round trip. That's

00:18:38.670 --> 00:18:44.450
R U L A dot com forward slash R O U N D T R I

00:18:44.450 --> 00:18:47.309
P. No spaces. You'll find a link right down in

00:18:47.309 --> 00:18:49.809
the show notes. Give it a try today. Go to RULA

00:18:49.809 --> 00:18:53.630
.com forward slash round trip. That's R U L A

00:18:53.630 --> 00:18:57.210
dot com forward slash round trip. for quality

00:18:57.210 --> 00:19:01.829
therapy that's covered by insurance. This particular

00:19:01.829 --> 00:19:06.109
tunnel that I was seeing, there was some transparency

00:19:06.109 --> 00:19:10.309
to it. It was like a membrane. But there are

00:19:10.309 --> 00:19:13.509
other tunnels that are very similar, that are

00:19:13.509 --> 00:19:16.970
dark with the light at the end, that do not have

00:19:16.970 --> 00:19:20.349
that same transparency. And they're very different.

00:19:21.029 --> 00:19:25.650
And so it's kind of important to know that They're

00:19:25.650 --> 00:19:27.990
not all the same. And there are different ones

00:19:27.990 --> 00:19:30.809
that have thin ribbing in them. And these are

00:19:30.809 --> 00:19:33.710
not usually associated with near death experiences.

00:19:33.849 --> 00:19:36.710
They're usually associated with traveling into

00:19:36.710 --> 00:19:39.750
mystery realms and things like that. But this

00:19:39.750 --> 00:19:42.369
particular tunnel did have some transparency

00:19:42.369 --> 00:19:45.450
to it. Another part that is different when you're

00:19:45.450 --> 00:19:48.990
in a near death experience is that you do have

00:19:48.990 --> 00:19:51.519
this... I'm not sure, there's probably a word

00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:53.460
for it that I'm not thinking up off the top of

00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:57.940
my head. You do have this ability to have like

00:19:57.940 --> 00:20:02.500
an awareness of this self here, this self looking

00:20:02.500 --> 00:20:06.500
here, this self remembering what was back here.

00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.460
And so there is this omnipresence that you have

00:20:10.460 --> 00:20:12.980
that is different than you have in a physical

00:20:12.980 --> 00:20:17.440
body. And so people can get confused when you're

00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:21.049
actually having this ability in a near -death

00:20:21.049 --> 00:20:24.609
experience or an experience of a mystical nature

00:20:24.609 --> 00:20:29.150
to see more than one place at the same time,

00:20:29.170 --> 00:20:33.529
but it's actually very common in mystical experience.

00:20:34.549 --> 00:20:36.990
Besides Jesus, did you see any other people or

00:20:36.990 --> 00:20:41.569
beings of any kind? My dog. You mentioned the

00:20:41.569 --> 00:20:44.390
dog, yes. I didn't mean to leave the dog out.

00:20:45.190 --> 00:20:48.200
My cute little dog. What was that like? Was that

00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.400
like a big reunion? It was, I know it sounds

00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:54.579
so petty, but it was just so awesome to see my

00:20:54.579 --> 00:20:58.119
dog. And there was something very mystically

00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:01.960
special about seeing her. People forget, well,

00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:05.220
we forget this about our loved ones too. Every,

00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:08.380
every, every remembrance we have of someone we've

00:21:08.380 --> 00:21:12.200
loved when we cross over is a beautiful reunion.

00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.839
So even with our animals, it's just a beautiful

00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:19.890
reunion. in terms of seeing other beings mostly

00:21:19.890 --> 00:21:24.349
not in this experience except there were others

00:21:24.349 --> 00:21:26.930
I guess the way to put it there were no other

00:21:26.930 --> 00:21:30.750
main characters in this experience I saw members

00:21:30.750 --> 00:21:34.130
of my family like my current family where I was

00:21:34.130 --> 00:21:36.609
being shown things it was being shown things

00:21:36.609 --> 00:21:40.289
about my family that I usually keep private about

00:21:40.289 --> 00:21:42.329
my children and things that were going to happen

00:21:42.329 --> 00:21:46.450
to them as they grew older but they're adults

00:21:46.450 --> 00:21:49.569
now and I like to give them their privacy. I

00:21:49.569 --> 00:21:53.170
was shown things about my husband. I was shown

00:21:53.170 --> 00:21:57.690
other people that were floating around and in

00:21:57.690 --> 00:22:00.410
the way station there were other people in this

00:22:00.410 --> 00:22:03.269
place, this coffee shop -esque kind of place,

00:22:03.390 --> 00:22:08.049
but in terms of communicating with them, we did

00:22:08.049 --> 00:22:11.450
not do that. Okay, next question. I want you

00:22:11.450 --> 00:22:14.420
to think For just a second before you answer

00:22:14.420 --> 00:22:17.660
and really go back in your memory here What did

00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:22.279
it feel like when Jesus took your hand? It felt

00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:26.400
like the wisdom and the breath of a thousand

00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.180
fathers and mothers Whispering you into their

00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:35.259
arms. I mean, it's the It's the epitome of falling

00:22:35.259 --> 00:22:38.279
into the arms of the father. You know what I

00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.660
mean? There is there's nothing that can compare

00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:46.400
because the love, the unconditional love that

00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:49.380
you are experiencing, you know, everyone, well,

00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:51.380
I shouldn't say everyone, but most people talk

00:22:51.380 --> 00:22:54.079
about this who have had these experiences. Some

00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:57.339
people have had different experiences. But when

00:22:57.339 --> 00:23:00.299
you experience that it's like falling into the

00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:03.200
arms of thousands of mothers and fathers who

00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:08.660
are all of infinite love and realizing that you

00:23:08.660 --> 00:23:11.980
were never gone. It's kind of like you just left

00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:14.900
for a while and you were never gone. I honestly

00:23:14.900 --> 00:23:19.380
don't know how I didn't not leave. No, I get

00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:23.460
it. It's hard to understand how it's so wonderful

00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:26.599
and so loving and you could actually choose to

00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.240
come back. But a mother's love is a super strong

00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:35.319
thing too. Right. It is. And you know part of

00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:39.329
that it comes mother's love and the responsibility

00:23:39.329 --> 00:23:43.930
that we know and feel as mothers, we make that

00:23:43.930 --> 00:23:47.549
decision. And we're there in the presence of

00:23:47.549 --> 00:23:54.690
our Lord who is encouraging us and filling us

00:23:54.690 --> 00:23:57.930
with that kind of strength of you can do this.

00:23:58.250 --> 00:24:02.109
If this is for a greater good, you can do this.

00:24:02.329 --> 00:24:04.470
You know, because wasn't that the epitome of

00:24:04.470 --> 00:24:06.890
everything that Christ did? It was all for the

00:24:06.890 --> 00:24:11.690
greater good of all. And he empowers you with

00:24:11.690 --> 00:24:14.349
that strength. You definitely don't want to leave.

00:24:14.690 --> 00:24:17.089
I often think about it and I often think, hush,

00:24:17.150 --> 00:24:19.390
what it would have been like if I had just gone.

00:24:20.009 --> 00:24:22.210
And it's like, you know, what would have happened

00:24:22.210 --> 00:24:25.009
to my children? Would they be better off? Would

00:24:25.009 --> 00:24:27.630
they be worse off? You know, you think all these

00:24:27.630 --> 00:24:31.480
things, you wonder, you know. Those are great

00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:35.359
what if kind of questions that yeah it's okay

00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.240
that we don't know the answers to. I want to

00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.759
talk about the selflessness versus selfishness.

00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:47.339
Did you get the idea that everybody there this

00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:49.759
is what they're learning? I think you mentioned

00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:52.900
that it's a big part of why we're here in this

00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:56.980
life is to learn the difference. I don't see

00:24:56.980 --> 00:25:00.750
a lot of people as they get older, getting that

00:25:00.750 --> 00:25:05.309
much more selfless. Explain more. How do we learn

00:25:05.309 --> 00:25:08.589
this in this world? How do we take it with us?

00:25:09.170 --> 00:25:11.369
What kinds of things help us learn this lesson?

00:25:11.890 --> 00:25:14.630
Well, you know, this is ironically what most

00:25:14.630 --> 00:25:17.470
of my books talk about, which is the path of

00:25:17.470 --> 00:25:20.509
purification. In fact, I wrote a book called

00:25:20.509 --> 00:25:24.289
From Selfishness to Selflessness, and it's a

00:25:24.289 --> 00:25:27.089
comparison of ancient sacred texts from all world

00:25:27.089 --> 00:25:31.170
traditions. the process that all world traditions

00:25:31.170 --> 00:25:35.849
encourage us to undergo as a practice. But the

00:25:35.849 --> 00:25:40.049
path of purification is actually what we come

00:25:40.049 --> 00:25:43.549
here to do in a mortal world so that we will

00:25:43.549 --> 00:25:49.369
undergo, we will enter into the process that

00:25:49.369 --> 00:25:54.950
souls incarnate here for, which is the initiation

00:25:54.950 --> 00:25:59.980
into, so to speak, The process wherein a soul

00:25:59.980 --> 00:26:03.259
begins to recognize that we are in a mortal realm.

00:26:03.619 --> 00:26:05.920
What does that mean? It's a third and fourth

00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.500
dimensional realm where the battles between good

00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:11.440
and evil go on they go on inside of us they go

00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.779
on outside of us and We all have good and evil

00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:19.480
light and dark things that we have that are life

00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:21.980
-giving things that are death -dealing with inside

00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:27.430
of us and so in order to actually Do something

00:26:27.430 --> 00:26:31.950
about it. We actually have to enter into an Actual

00:26:31.950 --> 00:26:35.170
path of purification and a path of purification.

00:26:35.170 --> 00:26:38.250
Well, what is that? Well in some traditions like

00:26:38.250 --> 00:26:42.109
for instance in Catholicism Mystical theology

00:26:42.109 --> 00:26:45.970
lays it out for us You can read like the Ascent

00:26:45.970 --> 00:26:48.730
of Mount Carmel by st John of the cross or an

00:26:48.730 --> 00:26:51.650
introduction to the devout life by st Francis

00:26:51.650 --> 00:26:55.369
de sails the spiritual life by father Adolf Tinkere

00:26:55.690 --> 00:26:59.029
And these are actually textbooks on the process

00:26:59.029 --> 00:27:02.569
of how do we do that self -intrusive examination

00:27:02.569 --> 00:27:05.950
of identifying those things within ourselves

00:27:05.950 --> 00:27:11.589
that we are doing that are selfish or are dark

00:27:11.589 --> 00:27:14.990
or are moving away from God rather than moving

00:27:14.990 --> 00:27:18.799
towards God. And when we enter into this path

00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.559
of purification, we accelerate our spiritual

00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.940
journey to the point where it becomes possible

00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:31.420
for us to actually choose a higher thrust at

00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:34.319
the time of our death, where we can actually

00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:37.480
ascend from this realm and go to the next level

00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.700
of development instead of doing the same things

00:27:40.700 --> 00:27:43.279
over and over again, because you're absolutely

00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:47.309
right. that most people walk through this life

00:27:47.309 --> 00:27:51.470
blindly and they do not progress and we call

00:27:51.470 --> 00:27:54.950
this karmic circling they just turn in circles

00:27:54.950 --> 00:27:59.470
they can spend 20 years and not identify the

00:27:59.470 --> 00:28:02.990
most basic of what we might call a fetter or

00:28:02.990 --> 00:28:07.250
a hindrance or a sinful nature that needs to

00:28:07.250 --> 00:28:09.910
be altered in order for their soul to take another

00:28:09.910 --> 00:28:13.710
step and these are little selfishnesses right

00:28:13.660 --> 00:28:16.700
but there are also their hindrances and fetters

00:28:16.700 --> 00:28:20.220
and cravings and things that hold them back.

00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:22.700
All right, let's do this. If you don't mind,

00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:27.299
I want to take a less theoretical, less theological

00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:31.079
approach as we talk about this for a second and

00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:35.140
talk about more practical, real stuff instead.

00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:38.240
Okay. Because some of that goes above my head.

00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.960
I admit it. This person wrote about that path

00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.779
and this circular thing and okay, I want to talk

00:28:43.779 --> 00:28:47.059
about some real things that I believe. I think

00:28:47.059 --> 00:28:50.720
one of the reasons, just to go back to your learning

00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:55.299
to be selfless, I think one of the reasons that

00:28:55.299 --> 00:28:58.779
we came here to this earth and took on these

00:28:58.779 --> 00:29:01.980
bodies was there were things that we could only

00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:05.980
learn here by experience. For example, I was

00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:10.279
much more selfish before I had our first baby.

00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.680
compared to after having a child. You become

00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.920
selfless in many ways through an experience like

00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.579
that, that maybe we can only have here. Would

00:29:22.579 --> 00:29:25.740
you agree with that? Absolutely. Can you think

00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:29.240
of some others like that? Absolutely. There are

00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:31.640
all kinds of things in our earthly experience

00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.200
that offer us the opportunity to become more

00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.880
selfless. And it has with children, for instance,

00:29:38.140 --> 00:29:41.329
having a handicapped child. allows us that opportunity.

00:29:41.990 --> 00:29:44.910
Being married and staying with your spouse and

00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:48.089
going through the illness and health. Going through

00:29:48.089 --> 00:29:50.130
aging and the things that are going to happen

00:29:50.130 --> 00:29:53.970
to both parties. Having children who end up with

00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:57.789
illnesses. But it's also the day -to -day things

00:29:57.789 --> 00:30:01.769
that we have to learn to love one another as

00:30:01.769 --> 00:30:05.029
Jesus says, as I have loved you, even though

00:30:05.029 --> 00:30:08.609
we're imperfect. So loving each other, even when

00:30:08.609 --> 00:30:11.650
we disagree, even when we don't understand why

00:30:11.650 --> 00:30:14.289
the other person thinks differently than we do,

00:30:14.529 --> 00:30:19.029
the smaller selflessness is, right? And so one

00:30:19.029 --> 00:30:21.930
of the simple ways that people do this is that

00:30:21.930 --> 00:30:25.660
they recognize Like the vices in themselves like

00:30:25.660 --> 00:30:27.920
so for instance if someone's like, you know,

00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.779
I get I'm kind of mean -spirited And so then

00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:33.400
they might say well that means I need to try

00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.559
to cultivate more of a kind heart in order to

00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.400
counter my mean -spiritedness and so they will

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.579
they will either engage in practices prayer meditation

00:30:45.579 --> 00:30:48.970
spiritual reading or they will actually go out

00:30:48.970 --> 00:30:51.589
and do something that's kindhearted. So it can

00:30:51.589 --> 00:30:54.450
be, whether it's with their own children, they

00:30:54.450 --> 00:30:57.089
might go volunteer at a home for the handicapped.

00:30:57.109 --> 00:30:59.690
They might go volunteer at a home for the elderly.

00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:02.710
They might go volunteer at something else that

00:31:02.710 --> 00:31:06.569
they are good at where they can offer their special

00:31:06.569 --> 00:31:11.569
gifts and they learn to give freely of themselves,

00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:14.900
right? It can be a lot of different things. So

00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:17.380
these things can come down to like basic things

00:31:17.380 --> 00:31:20.640
like little vices that people have, whether it's

00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:25.299
lust or greed or anger, things like that. And

00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:28.140
then you look at the opposite virtues, which

00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:32.640
would be temperance, prudence, purity, flow to

00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.440
anger. And a lot of this then comes to giving

00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.569
more time to understanding. Rather than focusing

00:31:40.569 --> 00:31:43.630
entirely on, I need to be understood, realize

00:31:43.630 --> 00:31:46.250
that you need to be more understanding. You need

00:31:46.250 --> 00:31:50.349
to listen more so that you can also become more

00:31:50.349 --> 00:31:54.609
selfless and actually try to understand other

00:31:54.609 --> 00:31:56.950
people instead of just demanding that everyone

00:31:56.950 --> 00:32:00.710
understand you, which if we're honest with ourselves,

00:32:00.849 --> 00:32:05.309
people never understand us completely. We have

00:32:05.309 --> 00:32:08.410
to just try to be understanding to one another.

00:32:08.670 --> 00:32:11.329
Because we're all different, we're all so different.

00:32:11.970 --> 00:32:15.430
There is a process that goes deeper, which is

00:32:15.430 --> 00:32:18.269
that process of mystical theology, which really

00:32:18.269 --> 00:32:22.890
helps you to hone that process in. But life itself,

00:32:23.069 --> 00:32:25.349
as you said, getting married, having children,

00:32:25.670 --> 00:32:30.109
those are part of the life process itself that

00:32:30.109 --> 00:32:34.170
forces these teachings on us. Our aging parents,

00:32:34.410 --> 00:32:38.009
our aging spouses, illnesses that we don't expect.

00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.500
things that we don't expect, horrible things

00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:44.759
that happen to people, accidents, violence, injury,

00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:48.039
war, all the things that people are faced with

00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:52.759
where they can choose their response is going

00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:56.339
to show us opportunities where we can learn to

00:32:56.339 --> 00:33:00.339
become more selfish or more selfless. Does this

00:33:00.339 --> 00:33:03.920
make sense? Yeah, and maybe if we had not come

00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.180
here, because people sometimes ask me, what did

00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:09.940
we come here for? Okay, and we're talking about

00:33:09.940 --> 00:33:13.519
one of those things. Why? Maybe a lot of these

00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.799
things without the trials that we have here on

00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.559
this planet, we just couldn't learn without them.

00:33:19.940 --> 00:33:24.180
Just makes sense to me. Okay. Right. All right.

00:33:24.380 --> 00:33:28.400
Just a couple other little things. The sounds

00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.299
that you heard, which I'm going to... put words

00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:33.839
in your mouth were they like hellish kind of

00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:37.259
sounds you heard I forget the term that you use

00:33:37.259 --> 00:33:41.619
coming all these voices cacophony you don't want

00:33:41.619 --> 00:33:43.299
to know what hellish sounds sound like because

00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:46.240
I've been down there too but the sounds I heard

00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.640
coming off the earth were more of the cacophony

00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.799
of people complaining screaming screaming at

00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.680
each other. It's what we see in our world today,

00:33:57.859 --> 00:34:00.180
ironically, and we didn't see as much of it at

00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:02.720
the time that I had the vision. It was interesting

00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.319
to me because I was like, really? Is that what

00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.859
it's going to be like? And yeah, I guess it is.

00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:11.199
And it's the way that we see where what we see

00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:15.380
in our society right now, people are not listening

00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:18.019
to one another. They're just yelling and screaming

00:34:18.019 --> 00:34:21.480
at each other and demanding something of one

00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.000
another and not hearing anything. And what they're

00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.900
doing, they don't realize this is what you see

00:34:26.900 --> 00:34:29.619
in a chaos realm, which is a purgatorial realm,

00:34:30.219 --> 00:34:32.739
where people just kind of bump off of each other

00:34:32.739 --> 00:34:35.860
and there's no rhyme or reason. Nothing actually

00:34:35.860 --> 00:34:39.539
gets resolved that way. You have to actually...

00:34:39.610 --> 00:34:42.969
Stop the cacophony. You have to stop the bumping

00:34:42.969 --> 00:34:46.469
off of each other You have to change the energy

00:34:46.469 --> 00:34:49.829
where people have to stop they have to step back

00:34:49.829 --> 00:34:53.510
They have to start listening to one another Even

00:34:53.510 --> 00:34:56.269
if you don't like what someone is saying you

00:34:56.269 --> 00:35:00.730
have to listen long enough to understand Even

00:35:00.730 --> 00:35:04.610
if once you understand you're like wow I understand

00:35:04.610 --> 00:35:07.050
what they think and gosh, wow, I think that's

00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:11.250
crazy. You need to still be willing to understand

00:35:11.250 --> 00:35:14.210
where people are coming from. This is what you

00:35:14.210 --> 00:35:17.409
have to have civil discourse and you have to

00:35:17.409 --> 00:35:22.409
be able to love one another as God has loved

00:35:22.409 --> 00:35:25.809
you. And I think it's a good mantra, frankly,

00:35:26.289 --> 00:35:28.849
which is love one another as God has loved you.

00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:31.809
Every time you're tempted to just start doing

00:35:31.809 --> 00:35:36.440
that. Stop. Step back and love one another as

00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.940
God has loved you. Because anytime you just start

00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:41.559
attacking people, you're doing something that

00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:46.719
has no purpose. It has no response that is useful.

00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.260
You're wasting your time and ability to generate

00:35:51.260 --> 00:35:54.539
and create more of the things, the qualities,

00:35:54.739 --> 00:35:59.639
the selflessness, to cultivate a higher state

00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.719
of being that you are here to do. It's kind of

00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.539
like you're wasting spiritual energy that was

00:36:05.539 --> 00:36:09.219
given to you as a gift. Being born here is not

00:36:09.219 --> 00:36:12.320
an accident, it's a gift. What we are seeing

00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.639
a lot of these days is people wasting a lot of

00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.800
good gifts and they're not progressing, just

00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.570
the way you originally stated it. People are

00:36:21.570 --> 00:36:23.889
not getting more selfless as they get older.

00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:27.250
They're not making progress as they get older.

00:36:27.610 --> 00:36:30.489
And all these things need to happen, but it's

00:36:30.489 --> 00:36:33.429
also happening. It's happening across the board

00:36:33.429 --> 00:36:36.329
in the youth and in every age bracket where we're

00:36:36.329 --> 00:36:40.789
not seeing the progressions that should be happening

00:36:40.789 --> 00:36:45.110
as a result of incarnating into this realm and

00:36:45.110 --> 00:36:49.579
the purpose of it being made manifest. Well,

00:36:49.579 --> 00:36:53.820
if we were to talk about characteristics of Jesus,

00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.360
you brought him up. And we could talk about selfless.

00:36:59.019 --> 00:37:03.280
We could talk about the opposite. If you also

00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:07.199
believe in a devil or Satan, that would be the

00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.110
epitome of the selfish. And some of these things

00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:12.150
you're talking about, I wish you would just go

00:37:12.150 --> 00:37:16.309
to Washington and preach to all of the politicians

00:37:16.309 --> 00:37:19.550
on both sides of the aisle and the politicians

00:37:19.550 --> 00:37:22.150
all over the world for that matter. Let's get

00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:25.329
back to if we just love a little more and serve

00:37:25.329 --> 00:37:29.150
a little more and be a little more selfless,

00:37:29.550 --> 00:37:31.429
world's going to be a whole lot better place.

00:37:32.010 --> 00:37:34.010
Hey, why don't you leave us with just a couple

00:37:34.010 --> 00:37:37.530
of things. One, I'm curious your level of your

00:37:37.530 --> 00:37:40.409
fear of death since the experiences that you've

00:37:40.409 --> 00:37:43.469
had and leave us with some kind of a brief message

00:37:43.469 --> 00:37:46.730
of hope. I'm not afraid of death at all. Sometimes

00:37:46.730 --> 00:37:49.349
I just have to like kind of temper my excitement

00:37:49.349 --> 00:37:51.889
about it because you know, I look forward to

00:37:51.889 --> 00:37:55.349
it is what I'd say. You know, the message of

00:37:55.349 --> 00:37:59.190
hope would be that we do have the power within

00:37:59.190 --> 00:38:03.280
us. within our hands to change the world. Every

00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.059
single one of us does. It's not in the way that

00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:09.139
I think many of us have thought. It's in the

00:38:09.139 --> 00:38:12.639
fact that the power to change the world is in

00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.579
our power to change ourselves and the way that

00:38:16.579 --> 00:38:20.280
we interact with this world. Interact with this

00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.760
world in a higher way. And the more of us who

00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.840
do that, that it will change the whole world.

00:38:27.099 --> 00:38:30.420
it will change everyone's ability and what they

00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:32.739
have to do in order to interact with the world

00:38:32.739 --> 00:38:36.340
in a way that matters. All right Marilyn, thank

00:38:36.340 --> 00:38:39.280
you so very much. I've really enjoyed it. Thanks,

00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.119
me too. Thanks again for listening and sharing

00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:46.440
this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow

00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.300
or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter

00:38:49.300 --> 00:38:52.139
at roundtrippedesk .com. If you want to share

00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:54.900
your near -death experience, or if you have questions

00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:57.599
or comments about the show, send an email to

00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.079
eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish

00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:02.980
you everything good that you're looking for in

00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:04.639
this life and the next.